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Tall Tale (Disney fantasy adventure) | S1E23
Episode 23 • 6th March 2024 • Retromade • Retromade
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Today, we travel back to March 1995 for Disney’s family, fantasy adventure western movie - Tall Tale. And as always, we’ll touch on all the other “happenings” of the time in the time capsule. 

I’m happy to be joined by Seth & Michelle from the Movie Friends podcast. Michelle has been podcasting for forever, Seth has been watching movies for forever and since they have been friends for forever they decided to combine all three into the Movie Friends podcast. The duo love to talk and grow communities, and as such the show is geared towards a fun, non judgmental approach to film discussion and education. Everyone should have that person in their life that loves movies, if it's a coworker or a family member and that is what we want to be: your Movie Friends! Here's where you can find them:

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Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna do something a

little bit different with the movie.

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We are gonna go back to March,

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It's a fantasy adventure

western called Tall Tale.

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Anybody hear of this

tall tale movie before?

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as always, we'll

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on other happenings

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of the time and the time capsule.

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I couldn't be happier to be joined by my

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guests today, Seth and

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Michelle

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from the Movie

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Friends podcast.

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Thank you for joining

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Seth: Hello.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Hi.

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you Katie for having us.

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Katie: us about you and your show.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Seth

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why don't you take it away because you

just wrote like a beautiful summary to,

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to come up with like how to sell our

show, and I think you should sell it.

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Seth: Oh, okay.

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That's a lot of pressure.

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Well,

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movie Friends is a podcast where

Michelle and I go through films that

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primarily Michelle has not seen.

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But some of them are, are picks by her.

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Some of 'em are picks by her patrons.

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And we're trying to have a

nonjudgmental positive, but exploratory.

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Basically we don't always

feel the same about the films,

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Katie: I

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Seth: but we're more interested

in being friends than in being.

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Right.

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And so that's kind of our whole thing.

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Just because Michelle doesn't

like a movie doesn't mean

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that she's wrong or I'm right.

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Or, and we wanna know why each other

feels the way that we do about each film.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, like

Seth is there for the movies.

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I'm there for the friendship.

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I think

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Seth: Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: the

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: it because

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Michelle has seen zero movies,

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: I like one

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recent

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one that I'm

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like, how has she not seen

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Godfather?

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Godfather too?

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But it's

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: because you have a

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different

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: viewing it for the first time.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: show.

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I highly recommend everyone check it out.

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Seth: Oh, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Katie: The time capsule, I just

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wanted to remind you all that

there will be a bonus episode

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that I'm gonna be covering

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March, a little

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after

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the new remake of Roadhouse.

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Have you

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Seth: Oh,

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Katie: of Roadhouse?

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Seth: yes, yes.

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I'm ready.

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Katie: Ha Michelle, Have you

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seen Roadhouse?

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Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

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So funny enough, I told my sister I was

coming on this podcast and talking about

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Tall Tale and Patrick Swayze, and she's

like, oh, you should have done Roadhouse.

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And I was like, I don't know what that is.

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So,

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I, I don't know what

the first one is or the

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Seth: It's a singular vision of cinema.

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It's,

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Michelle Rubinstein: Oh, okay.

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Seth: it's great.

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Katie: It, it really is.

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It would probably be wild

to hear Michelle's view on

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it

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having

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never seen it before.

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'cause it's a very nostalgia hit

for people like Seth and I I'm sure.

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: I wanted viewers to,

this is your reminder to watch

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the remake that comes out in

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March with Jake Chien Hall

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because I'm

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gonna be doing

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a bonus

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I already covered Roadhouse on retro made.

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it's a

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follow-up to that.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

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Katie: your

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reminder to watch it as

soon as it comes out.

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'cause I will be spoiling it.

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Seth: Nice.

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Katie: so

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Michelle Rubinstein: you've been warned.

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Katie: move and open the time

capsule from March of:

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set the stage for the movie.

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So primetime TV at this time, this

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to 95 season.

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The Nielsen top 10 shows include

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This is probably their at Seinfeld.

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Are you guys Seinfeld people?

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Michelle Rubinstein: Very much so.

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Seth: Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: parents were,

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watched them with my

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Seth: Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: every

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Seth: We both grew up on Long

Island, so it was like New York.

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Katie: right.

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Perfect.

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Seth: And actually my wife and I

just started the series last night

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from episode one, and it's crazy

how much changes from just the pilot

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to the second episode, but yeah.

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Katie: I'll bet.

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I recently covered, another

Patrick Swayze movie, next of Kin.

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That was from 1989

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that's

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when

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my guest and

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not recall that Seinfeld premiered in 89

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: ago.

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Another top TV show was er, I

remember that being an event as well.

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Seth: Oh yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: I've

never seen an episode of er.

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Seth: Ooh.

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Katie: it being good,

but it's been a minute.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

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Seth: That was like

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Michelle Rubinstein: on my

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Seth: little, little boy, Seth watching

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er each week with my family and

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just crying because it was, it

was very intense and dramatic

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and you get very involved in

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the doctor's lives and the patients.

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done before and it's been done

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to death now, but it was good.

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It was real good.

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Katie: before.

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Grey's Anatomy, sort

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: that's maybe how I would say it.

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home improvement.

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has up on our top 10 a lot.

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Oh, is this because is a person?

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Ooh, that good, Seth.

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Michelle Rubinstein: I loved home.

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I know, I always, we always do

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Seth: Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: loved

home improvement so much.

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Katie: you

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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I was a big fan.

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Katie: you, did you have a crush on one of

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Michelle Rubinstein: I didn't,

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I I mean, everybody in my, in my

world, in 95, I was eight years old, so

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everybody loved JTT, he was okay to me.

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I just, I liked the humor of it.

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I really liked the mom.

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Katie: you?

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Seth: sure.

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Michelle Rubinstein: dunno.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: I

did, I really liked her.

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Katie: it's a good

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Michelle Rubinstein: yeah, yeah.

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Katie: you guys

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: Under

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Fire?

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was also in the top 10 for this

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Seth: Ooh.

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Katie: Butler.

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Do you guys

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Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm.

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Katie: has blonde hair.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

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Seth: I recall the show, but I, I,

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Seth: wasn't in our rotation.

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I don't know why.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: interesting.

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I did catch it.

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I, I quite liked it.

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I can see why people missed it.

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I can see that.

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Seth: Hmm.

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Katie: NYPD Blue also

huge show at this time.

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I remember

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that

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being like

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pretty cutting edge, if I remember.

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Like Sipowicz,

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what were

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their names?

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It was obviously a drama and

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

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Katie: Franz.

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who's

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the,

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like better looking taller, one dark,

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Seth: Poor Dennis Franz,

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Katie: and name.

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are probably

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Seth: Um,

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

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Katie: to this, but yeah.

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and then Murder she wrote.

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Anybody watch

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Seth: sure.

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Katie: Lansbury?

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Michelle Rubinstein: Oh yeah.

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My babysitter.

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We used to watch that together.

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I do remember that.

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Katie: it's come

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up

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before it on for like 16 seasons or

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12

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maybe, but a long

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time, like in the eighties

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Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

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Katie: then as

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Michelle Rubinstein: wow.

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Katie: before we

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started

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started

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friends, favorite shows of all

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yes,

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Katie: it was also in the top

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Michelle Rubinstein: yes.

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Seth: Y

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Michelle Rubinstein: it.

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Seth: Yeah.

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I am a, I am a friends loser.

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I I've seen maybe five episodes.

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Katie: Oh,

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Seth: Well,

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Katie: That's why you've

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Seth: yes,

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Katie: then.

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Seth: yes, yes, yes,

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Katie: kidding.

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Seth: yes.

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There are friends winners and

there are friends, losers and I,

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I find myself at the very bottom.

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I've never found it interesting or funny.

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I don't know why.

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The funniest part to me is when they look

at the dude who's naked across the way.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: naked.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Katie: Or ugly

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: guy.

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Michelle Rubinstein: And and

they, and they, they, they

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build the stick to poke 'em.

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Seth: Yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: sticks.

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Seth: thought that that was a

funny kind of recurring thing.

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Katie: No, it

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That is a thing.

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Yes.

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Katie: about Roseanne?

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Michelle Rubinstein: I love Roseanne.

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Seth: That's a Michelle.

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Katie: I love

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Michelle Rubinstein: I

loved Roseanne so much.

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Katie: Seth?

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In the mid nineties.

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Seth: Well,

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so I've, I've actually talked

about this with Michelle

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before and it sounds horrible.

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So I, I grew up

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very poor, so keep that in mind

with what I'm about to say.

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Roseanne always really bothered me because

I was like, why is your house so messy?

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Katie: You know what I kind of liked

about it was that it seemed, it

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wasn't so polished like every other

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Michelle Rubinstein: right.

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Seth: Right.

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That just that didn't sit right with me.

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it, it was very like, looking back

that would, you know, that was great.

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with like Malcolm in the middle

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Seth: it just felt like a very

realistic attainable normal home.

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And I guess at the time I

was just used to seeing.

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Sets TV sets for for homes.

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And this was like, oh, what's,

what is wrong with this family?

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Katie: And they're busy.

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Seth: Everyone's wearing

sweatpants all the time.

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Seth: Judgmental little boy.

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Katie: It's

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Seth: Get it together.

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Roseanne.

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Katie: Did you guys ever

see the middle, like a newer

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Seth: Yes.

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The middle is great.

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I really love the middle.

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Katie: way.

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I'm like,

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I like that it's more

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like a

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regular, like they're washer and dryer are

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Katie: and you

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: things

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Michelle Rubinstein: yeah, yeah.

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Katie: The last show that.

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was in the top 10 in The

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94 to 95 season was mad about you.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Oh, yes.

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Seth: watch that.

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Michelle Rubinstein: that one

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Katie: remember

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Katie: it, but

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it's, it seems more like adult oriented.

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It's, it's a smart show.

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I like it.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

I really liked that one.

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again a couple years ago.

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about all those shows like Seinfeld made

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Seth: Yeah.

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a big one that I grew up with.

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not to get off the 94, 95, but

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Caroline in the city, I loved

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Seth: Was that Caroline Ray?

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Katie: yeah.

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Michelle Rubinstein: she was a cartoonist,

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Seth: That was Caroline Ray?

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Katie: actually.

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Katie: it?

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Michelle Rubinstein: it?

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Katie: Thompson.

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

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Seth: okay.

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Michelle Rubinstein: And you

can't find it anywhere to stream.

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gone on rants about this

and I'll save it, but like,

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I'm just ready to buy it.

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I just wanna watch it.

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Katie: I actually was gonna

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Katie: cause

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a lot of during these, I

talk about like notable

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finales

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premieres, but we

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Katie: those in the

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thanks

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for everything.

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Julie

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Katie: from

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Katie: I

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do

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recall that it was, it

premiered this year in 95.

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Seth: Nice.

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Katie: about

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music?

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Should we move into the top

10 billboards from this very

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specific week that the movie

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came

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Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

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Katie: is March

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24th, 1995?

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by

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Madonna was the

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number one song.

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I think that was from a movie.

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Seth: Wow.

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Seth: Wow.

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Katie: I feel like it might've been

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Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

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Katie: a movie.

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she was in.

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Seth: I could name maybe five

Madonna salons and I'm, I'm not, I'm

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not proud of that,

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you know?

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Katie: I don't buy that.

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I feel like it's impossible.

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Michelle Rubinstein: I know, right?

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I think Seth is.

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Michael Jackson songs,

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Seth: no, I could I could name

five, I think five Madonna.

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Ray of light,

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right?

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That was what it was called.

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Katie: Yes.

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Katie: But what

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a later Madonna.

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Katie: that's interesting.

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'cause I know less of the later Madonna,

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I grew like Vogue,

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Seth: Okay.

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Katie: Papa don't

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Seth: a song.

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Katie: Vogue.

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Vogue.

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Katie: virgin material girl.

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Michelle Rubinstein: a version.

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Seth: I've never heard of that

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household always had Madonna

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Seth: Really?

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Michelle Rubinstein: in the nine.

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Like my mom was a big

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Katie: Me too.

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Katie: probably not my mom.

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Michelle Rubinstein: yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Katie: do you remember the,

the song called Candy Rain by

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Soul?

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Katie: group doesn't ring

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a bell, but I can hear the, your, my candy

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Seth: Seen it for us

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Katie.

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Katie: No, no, no, no.

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I'm so bad with

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song titles, like I'll know a

song, but like you gimme the

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Seth: Yeah,

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Seth: I'm usually pretty good, but

this I'm, I'm, oh, for two so far.

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This is embarrassing.

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Katie: be surprised if Don't know it.

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Michelle Rubinstein: did didn't,

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Seth: Yeah.

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Katie: No.

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this what you're singing, so

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Seth: Candy Rain, the Katy version.

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Katie: Oh God.

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Katie: The next

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group.

512

:

This has not happened

513

:

Seth: Oh,

514

:

Katie: This

515

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

516

:

Katie: Any It's a girl group

517

:

Michelle Rubinstein: 95.

518

:

Seth: oh.

519

:

Spice Girls.

520

:

Katie: Close.

521

:

I mean, I can

522

:

Seth: What was it?

523

:

Too Early for Spice Girls?

524

:

Katie: Maybe

525

:

Michelle Rubinstein: It's too early for

526

:

Seth: Mm.

527

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Girls.

528

:

Yeah.

529

:

Seth: TLC.

530

:

Katie: TLC

531

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Is it Creep

532

:

Katie: three and number four.

533

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Waterfall.

534

:

Katie: That's like the

535

:

next album.

536

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

537

:

Seth: Creep.

538

:

Katie: Red Light Special is the number

539

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh yeah.

540

:

Katie: Mm-Hmm.

541

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

542

:

I had the

543

:

go TLCI had their cassette.

544

:

That was like one of my first

cassettes my dad bought me

545

:

TLC,

546

:

and I had Biggie too.

547

:

Seth: Nice.

548

:

Michelle Rubinstein: eight years old?

549

:

Seth: Nice.

550

:

Katie: we got, we

551

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

552

:

Katie: got a

553

:

Biggie song on here too.

554

:

Michelle Rubinstein: nice.

555

:

Okay.

556

:

Katie: but

557

:

between

558

:

TLC and Biggie, the number five song is

strong enough by Sheryl pretty big, song.

559

:

Seth: Nice.

560

:

Michelle Rubinstein: one.

561

:

Struggle.

562

:

Crow's.

563

:

Great.

564

:

Katie: And the number six

565

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Love her.

566

:

Katie: Notorious

567

:

BIG with Big Papa,

568

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

569

:

Seth: Nice.

570

:

Katie: guys.

571

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

572

:

Wow.

573

:

Great.

574

:

Katie: Number seven is, you

Gotta Be by Desiree, does

575

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

576

:

Katie: I

577

:

Michelle Rubinstein: You gotta be,

578

:

Seth: Oh yeah, sure.

579

:

That's a great song.

580

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Stronger.

581

:

Seth: Yeah.

582

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, yeah,

583

:

Katie: Brandy's

584

:

Baby.

585

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

586

:

Katie: And the next one, I don't know

if I'm familiar familiar it's the

587

:

number nine

588

:

song

589

:

is called If you love Me,

590

:

the group is Brownstone.

591

:

Probably if

592

:

I

593

:

looked I should have looked it up

594

:

Seth: If you love me.

595

:

Katie: love me by Brownstone,

596

:

Michelle Rubinstein: I bet we all know it.

597

:

Seth: Yeah.

598

:

Michelle Rubinstein: like,

599

:

Katie: if

600

:

I

601

:

Michelle Rubinstein:

there's no way we don't.

602

:

Katie: I didn't.

603

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Sure.

604

:

Yeah.

605

:

Katie: the real

606

:

Seth: Hmm.

607

:

Katie: with

608

:

Runaway is

609

:

number 10.

610

:

I feel like I know the real McCoy,

but I can't place runaway just yet.

611

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

612

:

Oh man.

613

:

Seth: Hmm.

614

:

Katie: are the number or those are the

615

:

top 10

616

:

billboards for the week

that tall tale came out.

617

:

Like a lot of news and events

for this time that popped up.

618

:

So

619

:

Belgium apparently used to

have like mandated military

620

:

service they, they ended that.

621

:

In march of 1995.

622

:

And then

623

:

Seth: Nice.

624

:

Katie: George Foreman loses the WBA

boxing title because, not because he

625

:

lost the fight,

626

:

but because he refused to

627

:

fight Tony Tucker.

628

:

you have

629

:

Seth: Oh

630

:

Katie: fights, like you

can't go forever and not

631

:

take on

632

:

opponents.

633

:

So he opted not to

634

:

fight and therefore

635

:

lost his

636

:

title 95.

637

:

Seth: Wow.

638

:

I wonder

639

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Interesting.

640

:

Seth: why.

641

:

Katie: I don't know

642

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

643

:

Right?

644

:

Katie: to, I don't know, afraid to lose.

645

:

I'm not sure.

646

:

Remember

647

:

hearing a lot about like the

648

:

SARS in

649

:

Russia at this time, like

saw Nicholas II in their

650

:

Seth: Oh, sure.

651

:

Michelle Rubinstein: mm-Hmm.

652

:

Yep.

653

:

Katie: graves

654

:

were found apparently in St.

655

:

Petersburg in March of 95.

656

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

657

:

Katie: I, you guys might remember this.

658

:

I don't, being from New York, it, New

York in 95, this kind of surprised me,

659

:

becomes the

660

:

38th state to have the death penalty.

661

:

Like they reinstated it

662

:

Seth: Oh, oh, wow.

663

:

Katie: but they didn't

664

:

actually

665

:

execute

666

:

anyone because it was later abolished

again, like in the two thousands.

667

:

Seth: we just wanted the option.

668

:

Katie: Yeah, I, don't know.

669

:

You guys could tell me more about that,

670

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, I, no,

671

:

Seth: Some,

672

:

Michelle Rubinstein: I have

673

:

Seth: lawmakers were walking down

the street and they were like,

674

:

people move too slow.

675

:

I wish I could kill 'em.

676

:

Like, wait, that's a good idea.

677

:

Michelle Rubinstein: No.

678

:

Wait.

679

:

Let's take that away.

680

:

Katie: we're not gonna Mm-Hmm.

681

:

Seth: Right, right, right,

682

:

Michelle Rubinstein: right,

683

:

Seth: right.

684

:

Katie: I thought

685

:

that was

686

:

interesting.

687

:

Now this is night you guys, this

688

:

shocks me sometimes the news.

689

:

95

690

:

Mississippi House of Representatives

formally abolishes slavery

691

:

ratifies.

692

:

Seth: yeah.

693

:

Crazy.

694

:

Katie: what?

695

:

1995

696

:

Seth: it's crazy.

697

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

698

:

Seth: It's crazy how many

of like old time laws

699

:

just kinda got pushed away and

pushed away until it was no

700

:

longer like a hot button issue.

701

:

And then

702

:

years and years like,

oh, we never did that.

703

:

Oops.

704

:

Crazy.

705

:

Katie: Super crazy.

706

:

Seth: Yeah.

707

:

Katie: yeah.

708

:

Michael Jordan

709

:

Michelle Rubinstein: wow.

710

:

Katie: that he's ending his

711

:

17 month

712

:

NBA retirement and rejoins the bowls.

713

:

Do you guys remember that?

714

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

715

:

Seth: Yeah.

716

:

Yeah.

717

:

Michelle Rubinstein: It was

718

:

Seth: Michael

719

:

Jordan was like

720

:

Katie: Guess not.

721

:

Seth: like

722

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

723

:

Seth: just a superstar of just so like

permeated like every facet of like

724

:

culture, you know, like

Taylor Swift does now.

725

:

Katie: Good

726

:

Seth: It was like Michael

Jordan was just everywhere.

727

:

Everywhere.

728

:

Katie: Yeah.

729

:

The Hanes commercials, I remember those.

730

:

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

731

:

Katie: he played baseball.

732

:

I don't know if this is, that was

733

:

Seth: Yep.

734

:

Katie: than this.

735

:

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah.

736

:

And then Space Jam is just,

737

:

wait, wait.

738

:

I mean, that was like

the movie of childhood

739

:

Seth: Oh yeah.

740

:

Mm-Hmm.

741

:

Katie: There's

742

:

lot of boxing stuff.

743

:

So

744

:

Boxer,

745

:

Mike Tyson, you

746

:

know how he he

747

:

to jail?

748

:

He

749

:

Seth: Correct.

750

:

Katie: was released in

751

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

752

:

Katie: March of 95 after

753

:

serving serving years, I don't think I

754

:

he served.

755

:

That seems like a long time

756

:

Seth: Wow.

757

:

Wow.

758

:

Katie: I don't remember it

759

:

Michelle Rubinstein: wow.

760

:

Seth: Yeah.

761

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

762

:

Katie: some divorces.

763

:

So the

764

:

king, the news recently

came out that he has cancer.

765

:

Seth: Yeah,

766

:

Katie: So

767

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

768

:

Katie: the current, the queen, right?

769

:

Like she has that title or,

770

:

Seth: she's the queen Regent, I think.

771

:

Which

772

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Or

773

:

Seth: I don't know why I know that.

774

:

'cause I

775

:

despise the British royalty family.

776

:

But

777

:

Michelle Rubinstein: you know

778

:

Seth: look, maybe I'm a, you know,

779

:

Michelle Rubinstein: you are a

780

:

Seth: maybe I'm a closet Brit

head or something, you know?

781

:

Michelle Rubinstein:

You're like a curious Brit

782

:

Seth: Maybe,

783

:

Michelle Rubinstein: A royalist?

784

:

Yeah.

785

:

Katie: Well,

786

:

she

787

:

divorced

788

:

her first

789

:

husband in March of 1995.

790

:

Brigade Andrew

791

:

Michelle Rubinstein: come cam.

792

:

Katie: They were married for

793

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

794

:

Katie: years.

795

:

Seth: Oh my gosh.

796

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

797

:

but you know, her and Charles were always

798

:

Seth: Oh my gosh.

799

:

I didn't realize that she was old enough

800

:

to have been married for 21 years

prior to Charles Gee Willickers.

801

:

Michelle Rubinstein: How

well do you think Camilla is?

802

:

Katie: 30.

803

:

Michelle Rubinstein: I know we

said like, know who Camilla is?

804

:

Seth: know who she is.

805

:

I know who she is.

806

:

I just,

807

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

808

:

Well,

809

:

Seth: yeah.

810

:

Wow.

811

:

Katie: They should have just

got married from the beginning.

812

:

I don't know.

813

:

Seth: I know.

814

:

Yeah, it's, it's insane

815

:

how much what, like

816

:

everything that could have

been different, you know?

817

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

818

:

Seriously.

819

:

Katie: And then, oh

820

:

my

821

:

God, I kind of

822

:

forgot this happened.

823

:

Julia Roberts was to Lyle Lovett.

824

:

Seth: Yes.

825

:

Lila.

826

:

Yeah.

827

:

Katie: They, they were married

for two years and They,

828

:

got divorced in March of 19, 19

829

:

Seth: Yeah.

830

:

Lie I Lovett, talented musician.

831

:

Katie: Yeah.

832

:

that was a wild coupling.

833

:

Seth: Yeah.

834

:

Marrying up.

835

:

Katie: He sure did.

836

:

Seth: Yes, absolutely.

837

:

Katie: I really like rap

838

:

music, I was too young to

remember this, but Easy.

839

:

E

840

:

Eric Lin Wright

841

:

from

842

:

NWA.

843

:

He died

844

:

in

845

:

Seth: Yeah.

846

:

Katie: AIDS

847

:

related illness

848

:

and he

849

:

was only 30.

850

:

Michelle Rubinstein: man.

851

:

Seth: Wow.

852

:

Katie: Yeah,

853

:

Michelle Rubinstein: that's sad.

854

:

Katie: really liked his

855

:

music,

856

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

857

:

Katie: I

858

:

don't remember.

859

:

'cause

860

:

in 95 I'm like, I don't

861

:

know,

862

:

14 maybe.

863

:

Seth: Yeah.

864

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm

865

:

Katie: I

866

:

Michelle Rubinstein: mm mm-Hmm.

867

:

Katie: don't remember

868

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

869

:

Yeah.

870

:

Katie: we're going to get

871

:

to Tall

872

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm.

873

:

Katie: but

874

:

the

875

:

big movies at the theater

876

:

were

877

:

outbreak.

878

:

Man

879

:

Seth: Oh gosh, sure.

880

:

Katie: The Brady Bunch

881

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Sky.

882

:

Katie: very

883

:

much remember that movie

884

:

Seth: that's Michelle's.

885

:

Katie: What?

886

:

Do you love it

887

:

Michelle Rubinstein: I

love the Brady Bunch.

888

:

No, I

889

:

like, you know, one of those,

you love to hate it type deals.

890

:

Yeah.

891

:

Katie: Mm-Hmm.

892

:

Yeah.

893

:

I can picture the characters.

894

:

It's really

895

:

funny.

896

:

Michelle Rubinstein: It is funny.

897

:

Yeah.

898

:

Katie: cause and

899

:

then

900

:

the next

901

:

Michelle Rubinstein: God.

902

:

Katie: I'm, I'm not placing

just cause, but Pulp Fiction

903

:

was

904

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

905

:

Katie: movies at the box office.

906

:

But what's

907

:

funny about that is it

was still topping the box

908

:

office

909

:

in

910

:

March, but it was

911

:

actually released the prior

912

:

October.

913

:

And still people are still

914

:

Theater to

915

:

Michelle Rubinstein: wow,

916

:

Seth: wow

917

:

Katie: Similar.

918

:

Seth: I was gonna say,

I didn't realize that

919

:

Pulp Fiction was a March release.

920

:

Holy moly.

921

:

But it wasn't.

922

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

923

:

Katie: And same with Forrest Gump.

924

:

It was

925

:

still

926

:

topping the

927

:

box

928

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm.

929

:

Katie: was actually released

930

:

the

931

:

prior

932

:

July.

933

:

It's like

934

:

Seth: Geez.

935

:

Katie: months later.

936

:

Can you

937

:

imagine a movie

938

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh my gosh.

939

:

Katie: after nine

940

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

941

:

Seth: I mean,

942

:

a few years later it would

be Titanic for like two years

943

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm

944

:

Seth: leaving.

945

:

Michelle Rubinstein: mm-Hmm.

946

:

Katie: then

947

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

948

:

That's amazing.

949

:

Katie: Hideaway

950

:

Roommates,

951

:

dumb and Dumber, which was

released the prior December.

952

:

That was huge.

953

:

That was a big

954

:

movie

955

:

too.

956

:

Seth: Hmm.

957

:

Katie: And

958

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

959

:

Katie: Sequel Candyman

Farewell to the Flesh.

960

:

Seth: Oh sure.

961

:

Yeah.

962

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

963

:

Mm-Hmm.

964

:

Katie: Tall tale as we will get into it.

965

:

It was

966

:

this was rough

967

:

24 the box office for Marge,

968

:

Seth: Oh man.

969

:

Katie: but yeah.

970

:

Yeah.

971

:

I, Mm-Hmm.

972

:

get into

973

:

Seth: I didn't, I didn't

know that it went that far.

974

:

Katie: I don't yeah.

975

:

it kind of

976

:

Seth: didn't realize that.

977

:

Yeah.

978

:

But then they

979

:

after like 13 or 14, gee whiz.

980

:

Katie: There used to

981

:

be a

982

:

lot of movies, like nowadays

983

:

there's like

984

:

Seth: yeah.

985

:

Katie: that

986

:

anybody goes to see in the

theater, and there used to

987

:

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

988

:

Katie: so maybe that's part of

989

:

Seth: Yeah.

990

:

I.

991

:

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah,

992

:

Katie: Before we start our

993

:

discussion, I asked my

guests a few questions.

994

:

One is that my first

season is dedicated to

995

:

both

996

:

Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell.

997

:

I've

998

:

dubbed them the Ultimate Every Men.

999

:

So I'm curious

:

00:26:24,633 --> 00:26:25,423

Seth: Very nice.

:

00:26:25,768 --> 00:26:29,158

Katie: of you, if you guys

have any thoughts or fandom

:

00:26:29,278 --> 00:26:29,608

about

:

00:26:29,608 --> 00:26:31,828

either one of them that

you would like to share?

:

00:26:33,183 --> 00:26:35,523

Michelle Rubinstein: Well,

this is only my second Patrick

:

00:26:35,523 --> 00:26:37,083

Swayze movie that I've seen.

:

00:26:37,538 --> 00:26:40,058

Katie: I keep forgetting that

you're not a big movie person.

:

00:26:40,643 --> 00:26:43,068

Seth: you, are forgetting

who you are talking to Katie.

:

00:26:43,528 --> 00:26:43,818

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:26:44,303 --> 00:26:45,413

So

:

00:26:47,393 --> 00:26:48,353

take it away.

:

00:26:49,613 --> 00:26:50,633

Yes.

:

00:26:50,693 --> 00:26:51,413

Yes.

:

00:26:51,508 --> 00:26:51,898

Katie: it.

:

00:26:53,353 --> 00:26:54,223

Michelle Rubinstein: Well,

:

00:26:54,653 --> 00:26:54,893

Okay.

:

00:26:54,893 --> 00:26:55,883

It's my sister's

:

00:26:56,303 --> 00:26:58,373

favorite, favorite,

favorite movie of all time,

:

00:26:58,853 --> 00:27:01,193

and she's watched it over and over.

:

00:27:01,193 --> 00:27:05,123

She went to the camp, her husband brought

her to the camp, and wherever they filmed

:

00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:09,893

it, birthday was all, she had like a

dirty dancing themed birthday party.

:

00:27:09,893 --> 00:27:13,313

So maybe I'm just like, she's

played it out and I, I, I've

:

00:27:13,313 --> 00:27:14,753

watched it a couple of times.

:

00:27:14,753 --> 00:27:17,003

I'm like, eh, and I remember

Seth wanted to do it.

:

00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:19,583

I forgot for what month,

and I was like, can we

:

00:27:19,723 --> 00:27:21,463

Seth: I think it was music month.

:

00:27:21,823 --> 00:27:24,943

'cause it wasn't like musicals and

maybe it was just like music themed.

:

00:27:25,543 --> 00:27:26,143

Yeah.

:

00:27:26,173 --> 00:27:26,473

And

:

00:27:26,503 --> 00:27:28,333

Katie: It soundtrack epic

:

00:27:28,348 --> 00:27:28,358

Michelle Rubinstein: it,

:

00:27:28,933 --> 00:27:29,533

Seth: shut down.

:

00:27:29,663 --> 00:27:30,023

Michelle Rubinstein: good.

:

00:27:30,503 --> 00:27:32,663

The soundtrack is really, really good.

:

00:27:33,023 --> 00:27:35,573

But yeah, so that, that

it's Patrick Swayze and.

:

00:27:36,008 --> 00:27:40,868

That, and this is my experience

with Patrick Suzy, so, yeah.

:

00:27:41,348 --> 00:27:41,678

Yeah.

:

00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:42,103

Katie: What about

:

00:27:42,338 --> 00:27:43,328

Michelle Rubinstein: Seth, about you?

:

00:27:43,363 --> 00:27:44,023

Katie: have any?

:

00:27:44,558 --> 00:27:45,668

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh, Kurt Russell.

:

00:27:45,748 --> 00:27:48,058

Negative on that one as well.

:

00:27:48,468 --> 00:27:48,648

Seth: The

:

00:27:49,578 --> 00:27:50,358

Got it, got it,

:

00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:52,278

got it, got it.

:

00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:52,818

Yeah.

:

00:27:52,868 --> 00:27:55,208

Well, I have a different

feeling about both of these men.

:

00:27:55,538 --> 00:28:01,828

They're incredible for me, Patrick Swayze

growing up was mostly the Outsiders.

:

00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:08,698

That was a movie that was constant

rotation in our house growing up, and

:

00:28:09,418 --> 00:28:12,448

I know it's, it's pretty unbelievable.

:

00:28:12,728 --> 00:28:15,038

I read the book when I

was probably like nine.

:

00:28:15,248 --> 00:28:20,778

And so from there it

would've gone to Donny Darko.

:

00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:21,993

Michelle Rubinstein: I've seen Donny

:

00:28:22,103 --> 00:28:23,213

Seth: oh, well then you've seen, yeah.

:

00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:24,838

He plays the pedophile

:

00:28:27,083 --> 00:28:28,283

Michelle Rubinstein: I'm

so glad we're all together

:

00:28:28,343 --> 00:28:28,633

Seth: well,

:

00:28:29,123 --> 00:28:29,393

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay,

:

00:28:29,578 --> 00:28:32,848

Seth: well, the motivational speaker

who turns out to be a pedophile.

:

00:28:34,668 --> 00:28:34,888

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

:

00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:38,053

Seth: Which, you know,

this, so this is:

:

00:28:38,213 --> 00:28:38,433

Michelle Rubinstein: oh

:

00:28:38,668 --> 00:28:41,968

Seth: considered at that

time to be a quite odd film.

:

00:28:41,973 --> 00:28:46,408

Now probably people wouldn't

blink an eye on it, but to see

:

00:28:46,408 --> 00:28:49,928

Swayze do this role just amazing.

:

00:28:49,928 --> 00:28:53,258

And then, yes, dirty dancing,

nothing compares to Patrick

:

00:28:53,258 --> 00:28:56,298

Swayze's waistline in dirty Dancing.

:

00:28:56,328 --> 00:28:58,343

It is the, the,

:

00:29:02,178 --> 00:29:06,918

when I watch it, I'm like, how, like, how

are you wearing like constrictor belts?

:

00:29:06,978 --> 00:29:08,208

Like, I don't dunno.

:

00:29:10,008 --> 00:29:11,508

Where are your organs at?

:

00:29:11,513 --> 00:29:12,108

You know what I mean?

:

00:29:12,358 --> 00:29:13,203

Katie: Your organs?

:

00:29:13,993 --> 00:29:14,773

Seth: he's great.

:

00:29:14,773 --> 00:29:15,373

He's great.

:

00:29:15,373 --> 00:29:17,203

It was, you know, I, I.

:

00:29:18,238 --> 00:29:23,713

I, I don't wanna say, I try not to

get wrapped up in celebrity deaths

:

00:29:23,713 --> 00:29:28,663

and things like that, but I feel just

like I don't know them, you know?

:

00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,583

And so everybody's gonna die.

:

00:29:30,973 --> 00:29:31,423

Okay.

:

00:29:31,753 --> 00:29:37,563

But Patrick Swayze was very,

very upsetting, very, you know

:

00:29:37,773 --> 00:29:38,113

Katie: Me too.

:

00:29:38,223 --> 00:29:44,313

Seth: because in addition to all of

the great roles, he just seemed like,

:

00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:46,543

Such a nice guy, you know?

:

00:29:46,633 --> 00:29:49,603

And like when we talk about presence,

you can have different presence, but

:

00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:52,593

Swayze's presence was warm and inviting.

:

00:29:53,193 --> 00:29:56,933

And so I think that was kind

of adding to the the tragedy.

:

00:29:57,443 --> 00:30:02,603

And then Kurt Russell, I think if we

wanna talk about like, the coolest

:

00:30:02,608 --> 00:30:04,283

white men who've ever existed,

:

00:30:04,808 --> 00:30:05,528

Katie: Right?

:

00:30:06,023 --> 00:30:06,313

Yeah.

:

00:30:06,743 --> 00:30:09,473

Seth: is, he's, he's gotta be up there.

:

00:30:09,573 --> 00:30:10,323

I watched.

:

00:30:10,803 --> 00:30:14,823

The thing for the first time, the

night that my first son was born,

:

00:30:15,123 --> 00:30:17,193

I had our laptop in the hospital.

:

00:30:17,193 --> 00:30:18,903

My wife was sleeping, my son was sleeping.

:

00:30:18,903 --> 00:30:19,773

I could not sleep.

:

00:30:20,313 --> 00:30:24,633

So I picked the first thing that was

on the hard drive and it was the thing.

:

00:30:24,633 --> 00:30:25,683

And I sat up

:

00:30:25,713 --> 00:30:27,403

Katie: strange choice on the

:

00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:28,083

Seth: it

:

00:30:28,273 --> 00:30:28,563

Katie: like,

:

00:30:29,733 --> 00:30:34,413

Seth: well after witnessing what I

just witnessed with a real human body.

:

00:30:34,563 --> 00:30:34,983

Katie: oh my

:

00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:35,323

Yeah.

:

00:30:35,753 --> 00:30:36,043

Yeah.

:

00:30:36,723 --> 00:30:40,113

Seth: the thing was like, it just, it,

:

00:30:40,803 --> 00:30:47,283

and I, you know, I tell this story and it

sounds like, oh, like Seth, you're crazy.

:

00:30:47,283 --> 00:30:49,233

Like, didn't you have other

things to think about?

:

00:30:49,383 --> 00:30:50,343

And it's like, no, no, no.

:

00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:54,543

That's how good the thing is,

is that with everything else

:

00:30:54,543 --> 00:30:59,853

going on, it just completely like

sucked me in and absorbed me.

:

00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:04,893

And it's still one of my favorite movies,

one of the best horror movies ever made.

:

00:31:04,983 --> 00:31:08,413

And Kurt Russell yeah,

he's incredible man.

:

00:31:08,473 --> 00:31:09,283

He's incredible.

:

00:31:10,258 --> 00:31:11,893

Katie: He and those, he his

:

00:31:12,003 --> 00:31:12,223

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

00:31:12,313 --> 00:31:12,463

Katie: with

:

00:31:14,113 --> 00:31:15,343

like or six of 'em.

:

00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:16,303

They're really good.

:

00:31:16,543 --> 00:31:17,083

Agreed.

:

00:31:19,273 --> 00:31:20,053

Well, thank you.

:

00:31:20,083 --> 00:31:20,353

One

:

00:31:21,733 --> 00:31:22,543

Michelle.

:

00:31:22,843 --> 00:31:25,213

I don't know if you'll have thoughts.

:

00:31:25,843 --> 00:31:26,293

may,

:

00:31:28,083 --> 00:31:28,433

Michelle Rubinstein: Uhhuh.

:

00:31:28,633 --> 00:31:28,873

Katie: do

:

00:31:28,873 --> 00:31:29,113

you

:

00:31:29,113 --> 00:31:29,563

guys

:

00:31:29,563 --> 00:31:30,643

think that

:

00:31:30,643 --> 00:31:31,363

they,

:

00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:34,813

Patrick and Kurt, at all alike?

:

00:31:35,943 --> 00:31:36,233

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:38,113

So,

:

00:31:44,558 --> 00:31:46,328

Michelle Rubinstein: I

feel like I have to stare.

:

00:31:46,678 --> 00:31:46,888

Seth: yeah.

:

00:31:46,888 --> 00:31:47,758

Well if, yeah.

:

00:31:48,028 --> 00:31:49,738

Big, big headed white dudes.

:

00:31:49,738 --> 00:31:50,278

Yeah.

:

00:31:52,948 --> 00:31:53,728

Katie: is that is?

:

00:31:54,148 --> 00:31:56,308

It goes no further than

that for you, Seth.

:

00:31:58,093 --> 00:31:58,958

Michelle Rubinstein: That's it.

:

00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:00,398

Like that's your takeaway.

:

00:32:00,508 --> 00:32:01,438

Seth: will say.

:

00:32:01,873 --> 00:32:07,873

When you sent the list of movies and

I didn't know what the theme was.

:

00:32:08,173 --> 00:32:10,153

I just saw like this long list of movies

:

00:32:10,483 --> 00:32:14,833

and a lot of them are lesser known

films for both of the actors.

:

00:32:14,998 --> 00:32:15,358

Katie: we're getting

:

00:32:15,403 --> 00:32:17,353

Seth: I immediately jumped on letterbox.

:

00:32:17,443 --> 00:32:17,773

Yeah.

:

00:32:17,773 --> 00:32:21,253

I immediately jumped on letterbox

and started going through,

:

00:32:21,793 --> 00:32:27,913

and it took me, I will say maybe six

entries to be like, oh, wait a minute,

:

00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:32,083

this is Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell.

:

00:32:32,353 --> 00:32:34,213

I was like, are we doing all,

:

00:32:35,068 --> 00:32:35,398

Katie: Did I

:

00:32:35,473 --> 00:32:38,983

Seth: like, it just, they got

confused in my head because I just

:

00:32:38,983 --> 00:32:41,233

saw their faces on the posters,

:

00:32:41,743 --> 00:32:46,333

and so I was like, it it, it took me,

it took me a a minute, so I guess I

:

00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:48,313

will say yes, at least subconsciously.

:

00:32:48,313 --> 00:32:50,683

I was like, this is the same

man that I'm looking at.

:

00:32:51,503 --> 00:32:52,043

Michelle Rubinstein: They do.

:

00:32:52,043 --> 00:32:54,233

They look, they look like

they could be related.

:

00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:56,243

Cousins look alike.

:

00:32:56,243 --> 00:32:56,963

Adjacent.

:

00:32:57,263 --> 00:32:57,473

Yeah.

:

00:32:57,538 --> 00:32:58,348

Katie: clearly think so.

:

00:32:58,348 --> 00:32:59,278

That's why I asked.

:

00:33:00,008 --> 00:33:01,178

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, totally.

:

00:33:02,308 --> 00:33:03,448

Katie: said that she grew up

:

00:33:03,808 --> 00:33:04,408

mixing them

:

00:33:04,408 --> 00:33:05,668

up and her mom always had to

:

00:33:05,998 --> 00:33:06,268

Seth: Mm

:

00:33:07,558 --> 00:33:07,888

Katie: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:33:08,678 --> 00:33:09,308

Michelle Rubinstein: mm-Hmm.

:

00:33:09,328 --> 00:33:10,078

Katie: obviously

:

00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:10,358

Michelle Rubinstein: it.

:

00:33:10,438 --> 00:33:10,648

Katie: think

:

00:33:10,748 --> 00:33:11,228

Michelle Rubinstein: Totally.

:

00:33:11,488 --> 00:33:12,688

Katie: they have similar qualities.

:

00:33:12,693 --> 00:33:15,448

They're both just like,

legitimately like nice dudes

:

00:33:15,448 --> 00:33:15,958

too.

:

00:33:16,348 --> 00:33:16,528

And

:

00:33:16,838 --> 00:33:17,288

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:33:17,498 --> 00:33:17,888

Yeah.

:

00:33:18,688 --> 00:33:19,108

Katie: in

:

00:33:19,178 --> 00:33:19,508

in an

:

00:33:19,508 --> 00:33:21,158

ordinary sort of way, like

:

00:33:21,783 --> 00:33:22,003

Seth: mm.

:

00:33:22,838 --> 00:33:23,948

Katie: approachable

:

00:33:25,483 --> 00:33:25,598

the

:

00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:26,358

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:33:26,408 --> 00:33:26,708

Katie: a lot of

:

00:33:26,708 --> 00:33:27,008

the time.

:

00:33:27,008 --> 00:33:30,428

So I have dubbed them the

ultimate everyman, obviously.

:

00:33:30,638 --> 00:33:30,968

So,

:

00:33:31,463 --> 00:33:31,993

Seth: Very nice.

:

00:33:32,058 --> 00:33:32,688

Michelle Rubinstein: I love it.

:

00:33:33,018 --> 00:33:33,558

I love it.

:

00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:36,398

Katie: shall we get into

the movie Tall Tail?

:

00:33:43,213 --> 00:33:43,433

Seth: Yes.

:

00:33:44,708 --> 00:33:45,398

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

00:33:45,538 --> 00:33:48,208

Katie: it was actually filmed in

:

00:33:48,268 --> 00:33:51,088

:

:

00:33:51,223 --> 00:33:51,513

Seth: Okay.

:

00:33:52,198 --> 00:33:54,478

th,:

:

00:33:55,423 --> 00:33:55,713

Seth: Okay.

:

00:33:56,008 --> 00:33:59,398

Katie: pg, this is the first

like Disney family friendly movie

:

00:33:59,398 --> 00:33:59,548

that

:

00:33:59,548 --> 00:33:59,758

we've

:

00:33:59,998 --> 00:34:05,278

done from, I guess I did do Fox in the

Hound, where Kurt Russell Voices Copper

:

00:34:06,358 --> 00:34:06,598

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:34:06,838 --> 00:34:07,258

Katie: outside of

:

00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:08,848

Seth: Have you seen that one, Michelle?

:

00:34:09,683 --> 00:34:10,463

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

00:34:11,967 --> 00:34:12,268

Katie: Well, no,

:

00:34:12,473 --> 00:34:13,853

Michelle Rubinstein: Well, Kurt Russell.

:

00:34:14,038 --> 00:34:14,908

Seth: Oh, sorry.

:

00:34:14,908 --> 00:34:16,413

Sorry, I forgot what we were doing.

:

00:34:16,592 --> 00:34:17,368

Katie: interchangeable.

:

00:34:20,483 --> 00:34:20,902

Michelle Rubinstein: Point

:

00:34:21,092 --> 00:34:21,382

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:34:22,553 --> 00:34:22,973

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:34:23,172 --> 00:34:25,408

Katie: That's a really like Mm-Hmm.

:

00:34:25,708 --> 00:34:26,608

It's really good.

:

00:34:27,083 --> 00:34:28,373

Michelle Rubinstein: That's a tear jerker.

:

00:34:28,523 --> 00:34:28,743

Seth: Eh,

:

00:34:28,882 --> 00:34:30,322

Michelle Rubinstein: I can't

make it through that move.

:

00:34:30,353 --> 00:34:31,583

Oh, Seth has no soul.

:

00:34:31,583 --> 00:34:33,413

I cry through that one.

:

00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:35,152

I'm just kidding, Seth.

:

00:34:35,342 --> 00:34:35,663

Seth: I don't know.

:

00:34:35,663 --> 00:34:36,223

It's true.

:

00:34:37,553 --> 00:34:38,273

Michelle Rubinstein: It does.

:

00:34:38,303 --> 00:34:39,233

It really does.

:

00:34:39,402 --> 00:34:39,763

Katie: I have

:

00:34:39,862 --> 00:34:41,513

Michelle Rubinstein: When

you're the best of friends.

:

00:34:41,623 --> 00:34:42,763

Katie: especially like,

:

00:34:42,882 --> 00:34:43,103

Seth: Oh,

:

00:34:43,453 --> 00:34:43,902

Katie: yeah.

:

00:34:44,143 --> 00:34:44,382

Seth: cool.

:

00:34:45,168 --> 00:34:45,893

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh my God.

:

00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:46,373

What out?

:

00:34:46,763 --> 00:34:46,822

so

:

00:34:46,828 --> 00:34:47,063

cute.

:

00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:47,743

Katie: bring it.

:

00:34:47,757 --> 00:34:48,108

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:34:48,822 --> 00:34:50,683

Katie: So it's a 5.9 on IMDB.

:

00:34:50,733 --> 00:34:52,078

Take that for what it is.

:

00:34:53,728 --> 00:34:56,668

uh, Jeremiah s Che

:

00:34:57,958 --> 00:34:58,468

Cheick

:

00:34:59,308 --> 00:35:00,868

for directing Christmas vacation.

:

00:35:00,868 --> 00:35:02,038

I did know that.

:

00:35:04,138 --> 00:35:04,798

And,

:

00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:05,188

Also

:

00:35:05,193 --> 00:35:10,768

Benny and directing as well, the writers.

:

00:35:11,453 --> 00:35:11,803

Seth: Benny.

:

00:35:11,803 --> 00:35:12,163

And June,

:

00:35:12,513 --> 00:35:14,368

just gotta throw that out there.

:

00:35:15,268 --> 00:35:16,048

Katie: Quirky

:

00:35:16,078 --> 00:35:18,268

Seth: it's so good.

:

00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:19,318

So good.

:

00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:20,938

Katie: of its time for sure

:

00:35:21,148 --> 00:35:22,898

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:35:23,098 --> 00:35:23,608

Katie: Steve.

:

00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:24,388

Bloom.

:

00:35:25,108 --> 00:35:27,718

one of the writers, he

kind of has a, a niche.

:

00:35:27,718 --> 00:35:31,288

He also wrote James in the

Giant Peach, Jack Frost

:

00:35:33,148 --> 00:35:33,958

and

:

00:35:34,618 --> 00:35:35,338

very different.

:

00:35:35,338 --> 00:35:35,703

from that.

:

00:35:35,818 --> 00:35:36,748

The other writer is

:

00:35:36,748 --> 00:35:39,568

Robert Rodt he

:

00:35:39,868 --> 00:35:40,078

sound

:

00:35:40,078 --> 00:35:43,138

familiar because he also

wrote The Patriot and

:

00:35:43,198 --> 00:35:43,618

Saving

:

00:35:43,618 --> 00:35:44,488

Private Ryan.

:

00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:46,378

So those are very

:

00:35:46,393 --> 00:35:46,843

Seth: Oh,

:

00:35:47,458 --> 00:35:48,598

Katie: Tall Tale, right?

:

00:35:48,898 --> 00:35:49,118

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

00:35:49,783 --> 00:35:50,713

Seth: very different.

:

00:35:51,743 --> 00:35:52,553

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

:

00:35:52,633 --> 00:35:53,708

Seth: It's almost as if

:

00:35:54,343 --> 00:35:54,553

everyone

:

00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:56,023

in this film said,

:

00:35:56,443 --> 00:35:57,553

let's do something different.

:

00:35:58,348 --> 00:35:58,648

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:35:59,818 --> 00:36:00,178

Good

:

00:36:00,178 --> 00:36:00,658

point.

:

00:36:00,748 --> 00:36:01,618

Really good good

:

00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:02,008

point.

:

00:36:02,588 --> 00:36:06,248

Except for the movie

or the music guy, Randy

:

00:36:06,248 --> 00:36:06,638

Edelman

:

00:36:06,638 --> 00:36:06,848

did the

:

00:36:06,848 --> 00:36:07,658

music for this, and

:

00:36:07,868 --> 00:36:08,198

is

:

00:36:08,558 --> 00:36:10,418

known for kind like

:

00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:11,678

Beethoven

:

00:36:11,738 --> 00:36:11,818

Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm

:

00:36:12,658 --> 00:36:12,928

Katie: which is

:

00:36:12,968 --> 00:36:13,388

Michelle Rubinstein: mm-Hmm.

:

00:36:13,648 --> 00:36:14,548

Katie: if you haven't

seen that, you should

:

00:36:14,618 --> 00:36:15,278

Seth: Oh gosh.

:

00:36:15,418 --> 00:36:15,808

Katie: Fred.

:

00:36:16,078 --> 00:36:17,483

Michelle Rubinstein: we, covered that one.

:

00:36:17,813 --> 00:36:20,303

That was one of my childhood staples.

:

00:36:20,308 --> 00:36:20,788

Katie: episode

:

00:36:20,903 --> 00:36:21,353

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:36:21,598 --> 00:36:21,868

Katie: it.

:

00:36:22,103 --> 00:36:24,923

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh, it's, it's

a, it was a Patreon episode that we

:

00:36:25,218 --> 00:36:26,933

Seth: Yeah, we, we do bad movies

:

00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:27,853

picture.

:

00:36:28,073 --> 00:36:29,603

Michelle Rubinstein: What a wild one.

:

00:36:29,603 --> 00:36:30,473

Drop dead Fred.

:

00:36:30,598 --> 00:36:31,048

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:36:31,753 --> 00:36:32,893

Seth: God, what a weird movie.

:

00:36:33,148 --> 00:36:33,898

Katie: it is.

:

00:36:34,178 --> 00:36:34,658

Randy

:

00:36:34,663 --> 00:36:35,193

Edelman also

:

00:36:35,223 --> 00:36:35,673

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:36:36,008 --> 00:36:37,378

Katie: cop twins,

:

00:36:37,643 --> 00:36:38,393

Michelle Rubinstein: nice.

:

00:36:39,088 --> 00:36:40,228

Katie: And also

:

00:36:40,343 --> 00:36:40,733

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

:

00:36:40,858 --> 00:36:42,508

Katie: this was interesting, the theme

:

00:36:42,508 --> 00:36:42,988

from

:

00:36:43,018 --> 00:36:43,768

MacGyver.

:

00:36:45,538 --> 00:36:46,348

Seth: very cool.

:

00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:48,718

Katie: I did like the

music for this movie.

:

00:36:49,018 --> 00:36:49,648

I thought the music was

:

00:36:49,678 --> 00:36:50,368

Seth: I did too.

:

00:36:50,428 --> 00:36:51,058

I did too.

:

00:36:51,088 --> 00:36:53,098

I thought it was, I thought

it was one of the best parts.

:

00:36:53,683 --> 00:36:58,483

Katie: So we have a young boy's

imagination summons, cowboy legend Pecos

:

00:36:58,483 --> 00:37:04,663

Bill, helps him save the family farm

from a greedy land grabber with the help

:

00:37:04,663 --> 00:37:07,303

of a lumberjack and a railroad worker.

:

00:37:08,023 --> 00:37:11,113

The pretty famous ones that

we'll get into, they all embark

:

00:37:11,113 --> 00:37:13,483

on a surprise filled adventure.

:

00:37:14,563 --> 00:37:17,563

Okay, so Patrick Swayze plays

:

00:37:17,683 --> 00:37:18,493

Pecos Bill.

:

00:37:19,243 --> 00:37:23,023

He is one the characters

from one of the tall

:

00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:23,473

tales

:

00:37:23,473 --> 00:37:23,713

that are

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00:37:23,713 --> 00:37:24,193

told.

:

00:37:25,693 --> 00:37:26,683

We have Paul Bunion.

:

00:37:26,683 --> 00:37:30,163

You guys grow up hearing, reading

about Paul Bunion, the Legend of

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00:37:30,213 --> 00:37:30,633

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:37:30,773 --> 00:37:32,573

Michelle Rubinstein: Of course in blue.

:

00:37:32,743 --> 00:37:33,193

Katie: Babe.

:

00:37:33,403 --> 00:37:33,763

Babe.

:

00:37:33,763 --> 00:37:34,603

The Blue Ox.

:

00:37:34,883 --> 00:37:35,453

Michelle Rubinstein: that's right.

:

00:37:37,963 --> 00:37:39,223

Katie: I would bet you a

:

00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:39,943

bazillion

:

00:37:39,943 --> 00:37:43,453

dollars that nobody would ever guess actor

:

00:37:43,453 --> 00:37:43,633

who

:

00:37:43,633 --> 00:37:43,993

played

:

00:37:43,993 --> 00:37:44,623

Paul Bunion.

:

00:37:46,528 --> 00:37:49,538

Seth: Very I mean, obviously we know, but

:

00:37:51,668 --> 00:37:55,208

for knowing the other films that

he's doing around this time.

:

00:37:55,583 --> 00:37:59,483

Then revisiting this now as an

adult who knows who Oliver Platt is?

:

00:38:00,023 --> 00:38:02,093

I was like, huh, okay.

:

00:38:02,423 --> 00:38:02,813

All right.

:

00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:04,763

He's, he's going for it here.

:

00:38:05,093 --> 00:38:05,513

Katie: it's,

:

00:38:05,643 --> 00:38:06,633

Michelle Rubinstein: absolutely.

:

00:38:06,633 --> 00:38:06,663

I

:

00:38:07,013 --> 00:38:09,473

Katie: it was a on Paul Bunion.

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00:38:09,968 --> 00:38:10,088

'cause

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00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:11,033

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:38:11,423 --> 00:38:14,183

Katie: I guess the, the normal way to do

:

00:38:14,183 --> 00:38:14,393

it was

:

00:38:14,393 --> 00:38:14,783

just find

:

00:38:14,783 --> 00:38:17,333

some big dude, but Oliver Platt plays Ball

:

00:38:17,488 --> 00:38:17,838

Michelle Rubinstein: Right.

:

00:38:17,933 --> 00:38:19,553

Katie: I thought it was

kind of an interesting take.

:

00:38:21,153 --> 00:38:22,833

Michelle Rubinstein:

Yeah, I agree on that.

:

00:38:22,943 --> 00:38:29,243

Katie: And then John, John Henry,

another character by Roger Aaron Brown.

:

00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:31,778

The only

:

00:38:33,818 --> 00:38:39,278

think you guys might know

him from is Robocop two, and

:

00:38:39,278 --> 00:38:39,788

Action

:

00:38:39,793 --> 00:38:43,208

Jackson timely because Carl

Weather's recently passed away.

:

00:38:43,358 --> 00:38:44,258

The star of Action.

:

00:38:44,288 --> 00:38:44,508

Seth: Yes.

:

00:38:45,338 --> 00:38:45,558

Yep.

:

00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:50,558

Katie: the son, the little boy, or

12-year-old boy, I think he's 12,

:

00:38:50,738 --> 00:38:54,938

who's kind of like our main character

that the stories are told around.

:

00:38:55,338 --> 00:38:59,928

His name in the movie is Daniel

Hackett, and he's played by Nick

:

00:38:59,933 --> 00:39:04,188

Stall, was a child actor that

was also in a Man without a Face.

:

00:39:04,568 --> 00:39:05,738

That was in 93.

:

00:39:06,638 --> 00:39:08,798

And then like he was in some teen

:

00:39:10,718 --> 00:39:13,928

movies, like Disturbing Behavior,

so he would've been like a teenager

:

00:39:13,928 --> 00:39:14,288

then I

:

00:39:14,288 --> 00:39:14,738

think.

:

00:39:15,788 --> 00:39:16,028

he was

:

00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:17,038

Played John

:

00:39:17,043 --> 00:39:17,668

Connor

:

00:39:18,508 --> 00:39:19,408

Terminator three.

:

00:39:20,363 --> 00:39:20,583

Seth: Yep.

:

00:39:20,638 --> 00:39:21,689

Katie: That's That's Nick Stall is.

:

00:39:22,511 --> 00:39:22,691

Did

:

00:39:22,691 --> 00:39:25,601

you guys recognize Scott

Glenn, who plays the bad

:

00:39:25,601 --> 00:39:26,111

guy?

:

00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:28,810

Are you familiar with Glenn?

:

00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:29,290

He's

:

00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,070

forever

:

00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:30,670

50-year-old.

:

00:39:30,675 --> 00:39:31,360

Like I think when he was

:

00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:32,620

born he was 50 years old.

:

00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:32,770

He's

:

00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:33,190

one of those

:

00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:33,730

guys.

:

00:39:35,995 --> 00:39:37,015

Seth: yes.

:

00:39:37,735 --> 00:39:38,515

Yes.

:

00:39:38,785 --> 00:39:40,165

So I.

:

00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:42,650

Love the Keep

:

00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:44,610

Michael Mann film, the Keep.

:

00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,000

Katie: I haven't

:

00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:45,360

Seth: It's

:

00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:49,620

weird, real weird, especially when you

look at it as like a Michael Mann movie.

:

00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,310

But Scott Glenn played stick in

The Daredevil, the first Daredevil

:

00:39:55,315 --> 00:40:00,830

Netflix show, and that was like when

I first was very familiar with him.

:

00:40:00,830 --> 00:40:06,110

And so watching this, I was like, oh, I,

but I couldn't quite place him, honestly.

:

00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:08,750

I try not to look at too much up

about a film before watching it.

:

00:40:08,845 --> 00:40:09,620

Katie: that's smart.

:

00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:10,430

He looks

:

00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:10,820

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:12,425

And so I was like, who is this dude?

:

00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:12,950

Katie: but.

:

00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:14,510

Seth: I know, him, but Yeah.

:

00:40:14,615 --> 00:40:15,065

Katie: We

:

00:40:15,345 --> 00:40:15,465

Seth: I,

:

00:40:16,265 --> 00:40:17,675

Katie: listeners in, 'cause he

:

00:40:17,675 --> 00:40:20,015

was in Backdraft with Kurt

:

00:40:20,405 --> 00:40:20,525

Seth: hmm.

:

00:40:21,065 --> 00:40:22,745

Katie: So we covered, we

:

00:40:22,745 --> 00:40:23,705

about Scott, Scott

:

00:40:23,925 --> 00:40:24,145

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm.

:

00:40:24,215 --> 00:40:28,115

Katie: Backdraft how how looks

like he's 50 years old always.

:

00:40:31,385 --> 00:40:31,745

he

:

00:40:31,745 --> 00:40:33,005

the character he plays is

:

00:40:33,005 --> 00:40:33,605

the evil guy.

:

00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:34,085

He's the bad

:

00:40:34,085 --> 00:40:36,245

guy in this JP Styles.

:

00:40:36,365 --> 00:40:38,975

Who's the land The greedy guy.

:

00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:39,810

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:40:40,025 --> 00:40:41,225

Katie: And then the

:

00:40:41,585 --> 00:40:42,065

Jonas

:

00:40:42,125 --> 00:40:42,665

Hackett,

:

00:40:42,785 --> 00:40:47,585

is Pa Daniel's dad is

played by Steven Lang.

:

00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:49,235

And we

:

00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:49,470

Seth: Yes,

:

00:40:49,565 --> 00:40:49,805

Katie: about

:

00:40:49,805 --> 00:40:50,345

Steven

:

00:40:50,345 --> 00:40:54,575

Lang in the Tombstone episode

because he is in that movie.

:

00:40:56,375 --> 00:40:56,705

I have an

:

00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,420

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

00:40:57,725 --> 00:41:00,320

Katie: about who there was

an interesting person who was

:

00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,120

supposed to play Paul.

:

00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:03,920

I'll come back to it in a

:

00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:04,200

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

:

00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,020

Katie: The Jared Harris plays the head

:

00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:07,890

thug pug,

:

00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:08,460

and

:

00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:08,760

then we

:

00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,400

get Catherine O'Hara in this Moira.

:

00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:15,960

Seth: yes,

:

00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:17,310

Katie: She, I love

:

00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:17,570

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh

:

00:41:17,585 --> 00:41:17,730

Katie: I

:

00:41:17,935 --> 00:41:18,475

Michelle Rubinstein: gosh.

:

00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,440

Katie: Christopher Guest stuff.

:

00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:20,820

She's, I love her.

:

00:41:22,345 --> 00:41:23,785

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, she's great.

:

00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,810

Katie: Calamity Jane.

:

00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:24,960

I

:

00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,260

actually

:

00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:25,560

kind

:

00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,310

of she was gonna

:

00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:28,440

be it more than she was, but

:

00:41:28,525 --> 00:41:28,675

Michelle Rubinstein: I

:

00:41:28,845 --> 00:41:30,450

Seth: Dude, don't get me started

:

00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:32,220

Katie: I

:

00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:32,450

Seth: big.

:

00:41:32,605 --> 00:41:34,615

Michelle Rubinstein: We wanted

more of that handsome woman.

:

00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:35,070

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:41:38,145 --> 00:41:40,995

Seth: They're doing all the character

introductions one at a time,

:

00:41:41,775 --> 00:41:42,975

and everyone sticks around

:

00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:43,530

Katie: mm-Hmm.

:

00:41:43,545 --> 00:41:46,215

Seth: and then Calamity Jane comes

in, and so you think, Hey, great.

:

00:41:46,725 --> 00:41:48,555

Here she is for the movie.

:

00:41:48,975 --> 00:41:49,965

One scene.

:

00:41:51,165 --> 00:41:53,205

Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible,

:

00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:54,120

Katie: It's because

:

00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:54,480

Pay

:

00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:55,050

Pecos

:

00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:59,490

bill, was less than gentlemanly with her.

:

00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:01,230

I think he.

:

00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:01,750

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,370

Katie: know.

:

00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:03,520

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,620

Katie: the last person whose

actual name is Moira Nic, she plays

:

00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:11,050

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:16,630

Katie: the mom Daniel's mom,

and yes, she's Gary Nic's

:

00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:18,250

wife.

:

00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:23,060

She is also in Terminator three.

:

00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:24,110

She was also in that,

:

00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,490

she

:

00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:27,470

is also in breakdown, a Kurt

:

00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:30,350

Russell movie that we will be covering

:

00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:31,790

this show.

:

00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,150

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:36,530

Katie: bring up her being Gary Nic's wife,

:

00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:38,930

because Gary

:

00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:39,620

Sinise

:

00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,100

was actually cast as Paw, so they were

:

00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,300

gonna play husband and wife on

:

00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:46,200

Seth: Oh, interesting.

:

00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:48,290

Katie: He backed

:

00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:51,080

out to Star, not Star, but

:

00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,530

be a

:

00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:51,830

big

:

00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:54,200

player in Forest Gump.

:

00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:55,680

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,360

Katie: How

:

00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,250

happy do you think he

was with that decision?

:

00:42:58,310 --> 00:42:58,660

Seth: Right.

:

00:43:02,505 --> 00:43:03,465

Michelle Rubinstein: Can you imagine?

:

00:43:03,555 --> 00:43:04,575

Oh man.

:

00:43:06,075 --> 00:43:10,205

There was, there was one other character

I just wanted to call out and I know

:

00:43:10,205 --> 00:43:12,155

if maybe we were gonna get to him, but

:

00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:14,705

h Macy is in this movie

:

00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,780

Katie: He's not credited.

:

00:43:17,045 --> 00:43:19,595

Michelle Rubinstein: exactly,

he looks exactly the same,

:

00:43:19,605 --> 00:43:19,895

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:21,010

Katie: He's not.

:

00:43:21,035 --> 00:43:23,135

Michelle Rubinstein: I'm

like, how, or do you not age?

:

00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:23,860

Katie: so too.

:

00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:24,730

And then I was like, He's

:

00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:24,940

not.

:

00:43:24,945 --> 00:43:25,510

in the credits.

:

00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:25,735

Or I

:

00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:28,000

I maybe missed it, but

he wasn't in the credits.

:

00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:29,230

Did you see him in the credits?

:

00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:29,960

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:30,860

no.

:

00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:34,760

And so then I, I wrote it in my notes

and I'm like, no, that's gotta be him.

:

00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,150

And so then I googled him as like

William h Maisie in Tall Tale.

:

00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:39,380

And it does come up,

:

00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:41,630

but there's nothing around it.

:

00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:41,890

Katie: Like,

:

00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:43,730

Michelle Rubinstein:

Like, nothing to solidify.

:

00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:44,860

Katie: like

:

00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,040

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:46,930

Katie: yeah.

:

00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:48,890

Michelle Rubinstein: Right, Minions.

:

00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:49,310

Yeah.

:

00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,450

I was like, oh

:

00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:54,760

Seth: it's crazy that he's not credited,

like they give him a speaking part,

:

00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:56,830

but he had already

:

00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,540

had parts in

:

00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,990

Barton Fink radio days Benny and June

searching for Bobby Fisher, like.

:

00:44:07,365 --> 00:44:11,870

You know, movies that you've

heard of and that people watched.

:

00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,340

It's crazy.

:

00:44:13,925 --> 00:44:14,435

Katie: nut,

:

00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:14,910

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:44:15,245 --> 00:44:16,725

Katie: like Buress Meredith

:

00:44:16,725 --> 00:44:16,845

is

:

00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:17,445

also in

:

00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:17,775

this

:

00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:19,320

Seth: Yes, yes.

:

00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:20,520

Yeah.

:

00:44:20,775 --> 00:44:23,625

Katie: also like

:

00:44:23,695 --> 00:44:23,915

Seth: Yep.

:

00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:24,225

Katie: one of the

:

00:44:24,255 --> 00:44:24,475

Seth: As

:

00:44:24,705 --> 00:44:25,755

Katie: movies ever made

:

00:44:26,655 --> 00:44:28,005

and not, yeah.

:

00:44:28,095 --> 00:44:28,545

So I don't

:

00:44:28,545 --> 00:44:33,885

know if these guys, it was like a favor

director or something, I don't know.

:

00:44:34,035 --> 00:44:34,725

But yeah, you

:

00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:37,590

Seth: They just love these tall tales.

:

00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:38,470

Michelle Rubinstein: right?

:

00:44:39,645 --> 00:44:44,325

Katie: I mean that, I will say this

is a pretty impressive cast for

:

00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,340

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

00:44:45,735 --> 00:44:46,155

Katie: like.

:

00:44:46,785 --> 00:44:47,685

I probably would've, I

:

00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,145

don't know how, I had not

seen this movie either.

:

00:44:50,145 --> 00:44:51,765

I assumed that neither of you had,

:

00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:53,880

Seth: Oh no.

:

00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,560

I've seen this movie many times.

:

00:44:55,815 --> 00:44:56,325

Katie: you'd seen it

:

00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:57,120

Seth: Oh yeah.

:

00:44:57,285 --> 00:44:57,575

Michelle Rubinstein: wild?

:

00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:58,470

Seth: Oh yeah.

:

00:44:58,815 --> 00:45:01,035

Katie: like when it came

out, you saw it as a kid.

:

00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:01,930

Seth: I

:

00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:07,510

this would definitely not have been a

theater movie, but this was played on TV

:

00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:10,460

a lot and we definitely had the VHS of it

:

00:45:11,615 --> 00:45:14,075

Katie: I do not remember this

being on, because I remember my

:

00:45:14,075 --> 00:45:16,626

childhood, there were certain movies

that were just like always on tv.

:

00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:18,265

Seth: Mm-Hmm

:

00:45:18,575 --> 00:45:18,845

Katie: this.

:

00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:23,135

I, this one missed me

somehow and I it as a kid.

:

00:45:23,945 --> 00:45:25,145

I mean, I actually,

:

00:45:25,865 --> 00:45:26,015

this

:

00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:26,345

might be a

:

00:45:26,345 --> 00:45:29,165

hot take, but I

:

00:45:29,165 --> 00:45:29,555

thought it was

:

00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:29,855

pretty

:

00:45:29,855 --> 00:45:30,065

well

:

00:45:30,065 --> 00:45:30,425

done.

:

00:45:30,425 --> 00:45:32,435

I mean, it's so silly, but there are some

:

00:45:32,715 --> 00:45:33,135

Seth: mm-Hmm.

:

00:45:33,245 --> 00:45:36,515

Katie: that are quite nice, but it it,

:

00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:36,860

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:37,725

Michelle Rubinstein: I agree to that.

:

00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:39,645

And I felt like it looked really good.

:

00:45:40,065 --> 00:45:40,935

Like for,

:

00:45:41,625 --> 00:45:42,885

it really looked good.

:

00:45:42,885 --> 00:45:44,145

I felt it looked really,

:

00:45:44,925 --> 00:45:45,105

don't know.

:

00:45:45,105 --> 00:45:46,545

I was kind of impressed with that part.

:

00:45:46,815 --> 00:45:48,135

I was like, this is a wild movie.

:

00:45:48,945 --> 00:45:52,605

You know, westerns be westerns, but,

and it's like, and the whole time

:

00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:54,255

too, I'm like, is this a kid's movie?

:

00:45:54,465 --> 00:45:57,885

But the language, I guess it's

a kids movie, but this cast

:

00:45:58,555 --> 00:45:58,975

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:45:59,895 --> 00:46:00,675

Michelle Rubinstein: going back and forth.

:

00:46:00,675 --> 00:46:00,975

Yeah,

:

00:46:01,055 --> 00:46:01,535

Katie: was part of

:

00:46:01,755 --> 00:46:02,025

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah.

:

00:46:02,445 --> 00:46:02,655

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:46:02,655 --> 00:46:05,325

it's like a family

friendly adventure movie,

:

00:46:06,145 --> 00:46:07,315

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

00:46:07,405 --> 00:46:08,095

Right.

:

00:46:08,875 --> 00:46:09,685

Yeah.

:

00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:10,185

Katie: could watch it

:

00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:11,295

together, but it

:

00:46:11,295 --> 00:46:11,535

was a

:

00:46:11,535 --> 00:46:12,105

huge

:

00:46:12,295 --> 00:46:12,625

Michelle Rubinstein: Right.

:

00:46:12,705 --> 00:46:13,035

Katie: cost

:

00:46:13,035 --> 00:46:13,995

them 32 million

:

00:46:13,995 --> 00:46:15,255

to make, and it

:

00:46:15,255 --> 00:46:15,525

only

:

00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:15,945

grossed

:

00:46:16,045 --> 00:46:16,265

Seth: Gee,

:

00:46:16,965 --> 00:46:17,805

Katie: million.

:

00:46:18,355 --> 00:46:18,655

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh.

:

00:46:19,335 --> 00:46:19,625

Seth: geez,

:

00:46:19,755 --> 00:46:20,325

Katie: that's kind of

:

00:46:20,325 --> 00:46:20,745

Seth: Louise.

:

00:46:22,315 --> 00:46:23,185

Michelle Rubinstein: It's real rough.

:

00:46:24,505 --> 00:46:25,165

Hmm.

:

00:46:25,545 --> 00:46:28,035

Katie: like the, I actually

agree, like I thought.

:

00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:29,220

That the

:

00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:32,370

landscape, like some of the opening

scenes and some of the landscape shots

:

00:46:32,370 --> 00:46:34,350

were just like breathtakingly gorgeous.

:

00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:35,530

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:36,225

Katie: of this is

:

00:46:36,495 --> 00:46:36,585

in

:

00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:37,815

Colorado and I, that's

:

00:46:37,815 --> 00:46:40,935

where I live, so I'm like, oh my God, that

literally looks like some places I hike.

:

00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:41,685

Michelle Rubinstein: Aw.

:

00:46:41,755 --> 00:46:42,205

Katie: but

:

00:46:42,625 --> 00:46:44,485

what we

:

00:46:44,490 --> 00:46:44,845

get some

:

00:46:44,845 --> 00:46:49,135

overall impressions from you guys

about tall tale before we get into the

:

00:46:49,285 --> 00:46:49,885

Seth: sure.

:

00:46:51,235 --> 00:46:51,685

sure.

:

00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,550

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:53,145

Seth, what

:

00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:56,240

was it like for you to watch

it as an adult versus the

:

00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,545

last time you watched this?

:

00:46:59,305 --> 00:47:00,445

Seth: a lot of the

:

00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:04,675

images and moments are kind

of like burned in my brain.

:

00:47:05,455 --> 00:47:11,125

And it's always funny to see what your

young brain filters out and just is

:

00:47:11,125 --> 00:47:12,955

completely like, we don't need this.

:

00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:13,440

Katie: mm-Hmm

:

00:47:13,585 --> 00:47:13,675

Seth: it.

:

00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,485

Forget it, forget it.

:

00:47:15,235 --> 00:47:19,885

So, Burgess Meredith, William h Macy,

those things, those were things that I was

:

00:47:20,275 --> 00:47:22,675

seeing, you know, for the

first time as an adult.

:

00:47:22,795 --> 00:47:28,455

The whole you know engine of the

story was also completely lost to me.

:

00:47:28,515 --> 00:47:34,245

I did not remember that this was about

land ownership rights and, I'm not

:

00:47:34,245 --> 00:47:38,775

surprised that young Seth forgot about

this, and I'm not surprised that young

:

00:47:38,775 --> 00:47:43,995

kids weren't drawn to this because this

movie exists in such a weird middle

:

00:47:43,995 --> 00:47:46,755

zone where I was like, who is this for?

:

00:47:46,755 --> 00:47:53,265

Like, this isn't for seven and eight

year olds and it's not really edgy or

:

00:47:53,265 --> 00:47:57,045

interesting enough for like young teens.

:

00:47:57,375 --> 00:48:01,725

And then I feel like after young

teens, who is gonna see this?

:

00:48:01,815 --> 00:48:02,355

You know?

:

00:48:02,625 --> 00:48:03,375

Katie: Aside from with your

:

00:48:03,405 --> 00:48:05,865

Seth: So, yeah.

:

00:48:05,895 --> 00:48:06,405

Right.

:

00:48:07,695 --> 00:48:08,355

So

:

00:48:09,015 --> 00:48:09,645

it was weird.

:

00:48:09,675 --> 00:48:12,765

So it was weird revisiting to watch,

like there was stuff that I remembered.

:

00:48:12,915 --> 00:48:13,755

Exactly.

:

00:48:14,865 --> 00:48:15,135

Yeah.

:

00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,920

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah, I know.

:

00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,450

I, I, I liked the overall heart of

it and I, I really actually, really

:

00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:25,900

like one of the beginning quotes

that Jonas says of, just 'cause it's

:

00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:28,450

a tall tale doesn't mean it's, it's

:

00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,100

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,040

Michelle Rubinstein: I really

like that 'cause I feel like

:

00:48:31,045 --> 00:48:32,570

you can live your life that

:

00:48:32,685 --> 00:48:33,105

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:34,940

Michelle Rubinstein: And

just the overall lessons.

:

00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:39,470

And I really liked seeing John Henry

and Paul Bunion and I was like, oh

:

00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:42,740

man, it's like coming back to me from

childhood and learning about this.

:

00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:44,600

So I thought this was fun.

:

00:48:44,995 --> 00:48:45,445

Katie: I did

:

00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,220

Michelle Rubinstein: I thought it was real

:

00:48:46,295 --> 00:48:46,585

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:48:46,625 --> 00:48:47,035

Katie: I,

:

00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:47,810

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:48:48,745 --> 00:48:50,395

Katie: it's funny because I probably,

:

00:48:50,395 --> 00:48:53,635

would have more different feelings

had I originally seen it as a kid

:

00:48:54,355 --> 00:48:54,805

of like what

:

00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,520

Michelle Rubinstein: right.

:

00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:55,550

I.

:

00:48:55,555 --> 00:48:56,545

Katie: But because I hadn't

:

00:48:56,545 --> 00:49:02,425

seen it like I totally took in

all of the moral aspects of it

:

00:49:02,425 --> 00:49:02,755

that, that

:

00:49:02,815 --> 00:49:02,935

the

:

00:49:02,935 --> 00:49:04,675

lessons that were supposed

:

00:49:04,675 --> 00:49:04,885

to

:

00:49:04,885 --> 00:49:05,575

glean.

:

00:49:05,935 --> 00:49:06,085

And

:

00:49:06,085 --> 00:49:08,785

I know if I would've as much as a kid,

:

00:49:09,515 --> 00:49:09,935

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:49:11,345 --> 00:49:11,705

Michelle Rubinstein: Right.

:

00:49:12,205 --> 00:49:14,065

Katie: Do you have any favorite

scenes or anything that like

:

00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:14,995

really stood out to you?

:

00:49:17,765 --> 00:49:20,015

Michelle Rubinstein: think the

introduction of Paul Bunyan,

:

00:49:20,285 --> 00:49:25,175

I really was thinking we were gonna

have this larger than life figure

:

00:49:25,415 --> 00:49:27,695

kind of looking like the brawny man

:

00:49:28,015 --> 00:49:28,285

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:49:28,285 --> 00:49:28,435

Yeah.

:

00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:28,765

Yeah.

:

00:49:29,075 --> 00:49:30,935

Michelle Rubinstein: with like,

you know, a paper towel guy.

:

00:49:30,995 --> 00:49:35,855

And I also just have like,

there's landmark of him and his

:

00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:37,325

ox that I have a picture of.

:

00:49:37,325 --> 00:49:39,995

Like, I stood by, I was like, I

made my husband take a picture

:

00:49:39,995 --> 00:49:41,915

of like, oh, let's take a picture

of me and New York Paul bunion.

:

00:49:41,915 --> 00:49:43,145

So, yeah.

:

00:49:43,145 --> 00:49:48,455

And then when we, when we go to eat with

Paul Bunion, it was giving Hagrid like

:

00:49:48,455 --> 00:49:51,485

his hut, you know, from Harry Potter.

:

00:49:51,485 --> 00:49:55,740

And so that kind of stuck out to me, I, I.

:

00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:58,070

I accepted it.

:

00:49:58,070 --> 00:49:58,910

It took me a little while.

:

00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:00,350

I have to be honest with you, I really

:

00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:00,720

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:50:00,980 --> 00:50:02,450

Michelle Rubinstein: Paul by

knew was gonna be different in my

:

00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,030

Seth: Right.

:

00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:03,390

Yeah.

:

00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:03,865

Katie: who he

:

00:50:03,865 --> 00:50:04,345

was,

:

00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,185

I, I like

:

00:50:05,185 --> 00:50:05,815

didn't know

:

00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:06,400

Seth: Right.

:

00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,375

Katie: we're introduced to

:

00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:08,390

Michelle Rubinstein: Right,

:

00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:09,120

Katie: first of all,

:

00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:09,620

Michelle Rubinstein: right.

:

00:50:09,775 --> 00:50:10,015

Katie: like

:

00:50:10,075 --> 00:50:10,365

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:50:10,455 --> 00:50:10,575

Katie: an

:

00:50:10,575 --> 00:50:12,735

Alaska Native American.

:

00:50:12,735 --> 00:50:12,945

What it

:

00:50:13,335 --> 00:50:15,255

to me was like Alaskan native,

:

00:50:16,215 --> 00:50:18,165

old timey garb,

:

00:50:19,785 --> 00:50:20,075

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:50:20,835 --> 00:50:21,765

Katie: And then

:

00:50:21,905 --> 00:50:22,085

he's

:

00:50:22,085 --> 00:50:22,845

he's short and

:

00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:23,745

squat and

:

00:50:25,215 --> 00:50:25,395

he's

:

00:50:25,395 --> 00:50:26,445

like, I'm Paul Bunion.

:

00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:27,585

I'm like, oh,

:

00:50:27,945 --> 00:50:28,425

this is

:

00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:28,720

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:50:29,035 --> 00:50:29,315

Michelle Rubinstein: I know,

:

00:50:30,045 --> 00:50:30,405

Katie: But then

:

00:50:30,405 --> 00:50:30,705

it,

:

00:50:31,045 --> 00:50:31,395

Michelle Rubinstein: right?

:

00:50:31,485 --> 00:50:33,200

Katie: kind of end up working for me.

:

00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:34,760

What do you think, Seth?

:

00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:35,380

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:50:36,705 --> 00:50:41,595

Seth: Yeah, they, well, they went like the

hippie route with Paul Bunion definitely.

:

00:50:41,655 --> 00:50:45,405

When they're in the desert and he's

got on like the teeny little shades,

:

00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:48,525

I was like, yeah, I, I know,

I know what they're doing.

:

00:50:48,555 --> 00:50:49,875

'cause he's talking about.

:

00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:51,180

You know, conservation.

:

00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:56,915

He is got the beard, he's got

he's even got like a, a ski cap

:

00:50:56,915 --> 00:50:58,235

that he is wearing and stuff.

:

00:50:58,235 --> 00:51:04,405

And so it was definitely, they

departed the most, I think with him.

:

00:51:04,405 --> 00:51:06,775

But they made him into a full character.

:

00:51:07,375 --> 00:51:15,055

And I think that's where Calamity

Jane needs to be here, because

:

00:51:15,265 --> 00:51:20,995

as a trio, we have Pecos Bill

who is, you know, like a leader.

:

00:51:21,415 --> 00:51:26,365

And then we have Paul Bunyan, who

is like the weirdo of the group.

:

00:51:26,575 --> 00:51:30,385

And we have John Henry

who is another leader.

:

00:51:30,625 --> 00:51:35,995

And like, there's just not enough like

friction between the group dynamic.

:

00:51:36,025 --> 00:51:41,665

Like, I don't know, like, I, I

agree with both of you that this is

:

00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:45,085

well made and the music is great.

:

00:51:45,565 --> 00:51:47,935

The locations are incredible.

:

00:51:47,965 --> 00:51:48,745

Like, great.

:

00:51:48,745 --> 00:51:50,545

I wish that we had,

:

00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:51,400

Katie: for that alone.

:

00:51:52,385 --> 00:51:52,745

Michelle Rubinstein: It is

:

00:51:52,885 --> 00:51:56,965

Seth: yeah, I wish some of like the wide

shots we had just stayed there and like

:

00:51:57,325 --> 00:52:01,855

had the conversations between the

father and the son while we can see.

:

00:52:02,605 --> 00:52:05,245

So like you're, you're,

you're doing closeups.

:

00:52:05,245 --> 00:52:05,665

Meanwhile,

:

00:52:06,095 --> 00:52:06,385

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:52:06,615 --> 00:52:06,905

Yeah.

:

00:52:07,615 --> 00:52:11,225

Seth: like I would love to see

the Chloe XO version of this.

:

00:52:11,255 --> 00:52:15,575

She directed, most people know her

for Marvels Eternals, but she did

:

00:52:15,615 --> 00:52:19,305

songs my brothers taught me and

the writer, she's one of the best

:

00:52:19,425 --> 00:52:22,275

filmmakers about the American West ever.

:

00:52:22,405 --> 00:52:28,255

And so she uses natural light,

she uses locations and gets their

:

00:52:28,255 --> 00:52:30,175

money's worth, you know, so to speak.

:

00:52:30,295 --> 00:52:33,025

And so in this, it was

so frustrating to see, I.

:

00:52:34,135 --> 00:52:36,775

Like all the best stuff just out of frame.

:

00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:42,445

Like keep it, keep it in the

frame, keep it and let us, let us

:

00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,940

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:52:43,765 --> 00:52:47,095

Seth: why Jonas is like,

no, we can't sell this land.

:

00:52:47,095 --> 00:52:48,535

Like, it's not just about farming.

:

00:52:48,535 --> 00:52:50,335

They could go to Oklahoma and be farmers.

:

00:52:50,335 --> 00:52:53,305

They could go to, you know, like

it's about this land where they are.

:

00:52:53,305 --> 00:52:57,435

So for the times that we did see

it, and anyway I think Calamity

:

00:52:57,435 --> 00:53:04,995

Jane would've brought more interest,

interesting things to their dynamic.

:

00:53:05,065 --> 00:53:08,725

But unfortunately, you know,

it, it was not meant to be.

:

00:53:08,725 --> 00:53:12,385

And I, I just wish that they

would pick a lane with this movie.

:

00:53:12,445 --> 00:53:16,855

Like either make it really fantastical

and like have Pecos Bill, you

:

00:53:16,855 --> 00:53:20,485

know, hooting and hollering and

shooting his guns off all the time.

:

00:53:20,635 --> 00:53:27,505

Or make it a little more mature and

actually shoot people with guns like.

:

00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:29,770

Do, do, do one or the other.

:

00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:32,980

'cause this middle lane is, it's

:

00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:33,620

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:33,940

I

:

00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:35,350

Seth: at an hour and 40.

:

00:53:36,725 --> 00:53:38,215

It's, it's, yeah.

:

00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,070

Katie: So, PA Daniel's dad is

telling kind of to set up where

:

00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:45,430

we start and where we will end up.

:

00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:46,870

It'll be important p.

:

00:53:48,805 --> 00:53:50,995

Is telling his son these tall

:

00:53:51,775 --> 00:53:56,515

about this character Pecos Bill and the

the son is sort of like, yeah, yeah.

:

00:53:56,905 --> 00:53:59,455

But one of the stories is that Pecos

:

00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:00,055

Bill,

:

00:54:00,265 --> 00:54:05,605

he can, he's like so accurate shooting,

but he doesn't actually wanna kill,

:

00:54:05,815 --> 00:54:06,115

so he

:

00:54:06,355 --> 00:54:06,775

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

00:54:06,775 --> 00:54:09,085

Katie: the trigger finger

with one, two guns.

:

00:54:09,085 --> 00:54:10,165

He can somehow

:

00:54:10,165 --> 00:54:10,795

miraculously

:

00:54:10,795 --> 00:54:13,855

shoot off the trigger finger of like

:

00:54:13,855 --> 00:54:14,365

50

:

00:54:14,365 --> 00:54:16,315

guys to disarm them.

:

00:54:16,585 --> 00:54:16,945

So

:

00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:17,500

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:54:17,995 --> 00:54:19,225

Katie: like, Mm-Hmm, sure.

:

00:54:19,225 --> 00:54:19,705

Dad.

:

00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:20,065

Like,

:

00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:21,220

Seth: Right.

:

00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:25,675

Katie: kind of where we start and

the sun is like, plowing a field.

:

00:54:25,675 --> 00:54:28,795

He's not appre like, he

doesn't understand why this is

:

00:54:28,795 --> 00:54:29,455

important to his

:

00:54:29,455 --> 00:54:29,785

dad.

:

00:54:29,785 --> 00:54:31,315

So that's kind of where we start.

:

00:54:31,795 --> 00:54:34,405

And clearly by the end of it,

we end up in a different place.

:

00:54:34,405 --> 00:54:34,675

But

:

00:54:35,515 --> 00:54:35,725

that's

:

00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:35,980

Seth: Yeah,

:

00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:36,175

Katie: we

:

00:54:36,175 --> 00:54:36,385

start

:

00:54:36,385 --> 00:54:36,625

out.

:

00:54:36,895 --> 00:54:42,415

And I should note that this

is set in like:

:

00:54:42,415 --> 00:54:42,895

family

:

00:54:42,895 --> 00:54:43,405

lives in

:

00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:46,675

this 95 people.

:

00:54:47,515 --> 00:54:47,995

Paradise

:

00:54:48,865 --> 00:54:49,645

which is the name of, it's

:

00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:49,990

Seth: yeah,

:

00:54:50,005 --> 00:54:50,305

Katie: film.

:

00:54:51,745 --> 00:54:52,035

Seth: yeah.

:

00:54:52,795 --> 00:54:52,975

Katie: yeah.

:

00:54:53,665 --> 00:54:53,905

And

:

00:54:53,905 --> 00:54:54,355

so there's a

:

00:54:54,355 --> 00:54:55,075

car, so

:

00:54:55,075 --> 00:54:55,195

it's

:

00:54:55,645 --> 00:54:56,125

:

:

00:54:56,125 --> 00:54:58,885

So the, this is plowing

:

00:54:59,365 --> 00:55:00,325

horse, you

:

00:55:00,325 --> 00:55:00,985

know, so like they

:

00:55:00,995 --> 00:55:01,285

Seth: yeah,

:

00:55:01,525 --> 00:55:02,275

Katie: machinery

:

00:55:02,465 --> 00:55:02,945

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:55:02,995 --> 00:55:04,165

Katie: see a car and

:

00:55:04,165 --> 00:55:04,615

the

:

00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,430

calls it, what does he call

:

00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:07,550

it?

:

00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:09,175

A, A,

:

00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,300

Seth: Horseless carriage.

:

00:55:10,615 --> 00:55:11,215

Katie: carriage.

:

00:55:11,465 --> 00:55:12,335

Michelle Rubinstein: carriage.

:

00:55:12,355 --> 00:55:12,475

Katie: that

:

00:55:12,605 --> 00:55:13,205

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:55:13,255 --> 00:55:14,005

Katie: adorable.

:

00:55:14,405 --> 00:55:14,945

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:55:17,275 --> 00:55:19,915

Katie: What, what scene

stood out to you, Seth?

:

00:55:20,365 --> 00:55:21,535

Anything in particular?

:

00:55:22,585 --> 00:55:23,995

Seth: Well, I hate to sound like a,

:

00:55:25,525 --> 00:55:26,305

what do you call that?

:

00:55:26,455 --> 00:55:26,905

An old

:

00:55:27,565 --> 00:55:29,545

drum, a beaten horse?

:

00:55:29,545 --> 00:55:30,205

What do you call that?

:

00:55:30,205 --> 00:55:31,915

I hate to sound like a broken record.

:

00:55:31,945 --> 00:55:32,335

That's it.

:

00:55:32,335 --> 00:55:32,755

That's the one.

:

00:55:32,755 --> 00:55:33,115

Sorry.

:

00:55:33,845 --> 00:55:34,065

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

:

00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,580

Katie: the analogies.

:

00:55:35,695 --> 00:55:37,995

Seth: my yeah, sorry, sorry.

:

00:55:38,325 --> 00:55:41,805

But I, I love the scene in the bar

where PEs gets into a fight and then

:

00:55:41,805 --> 00:55:45,645

Jane comes in and you get little

bits of all the three characters.

:

00:55:45,745 --> 00:55:52,465

And I did, I did like the final

scene where he gets run over

:

00:55:52,465 --> 00:55:53,935

by a train for half a second.

:

00:55:54,105 --> 00:55:57,975

And then the characters come back

and, you know, I'm not gonna.

:

00:55:58,425 --> 00:56:03,225

Hold this film to any kind

of like structure, but it's

:

00:56:03,225 --> 00:56:04,785

like, wait, so they're real?

:

00:56:05,235 --> 00:56:05,775

Are they real?

:

00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:07,335

Katie: I kind of

:

00:56:07,695 --> 00:56:09,675

Seth: Are they real or are they not real?

:

00:56:10,335 --> 00:56:11,980

Like what is happened?

:

00:56:11,985 --> 00:56:12,785

Michelle Rubinstein: I liked it too.

:

00:56:12,855 --> 00:56:13,545

Seth: No, I liked it.

:

00:56:13,545 --> 00:56:14,145

I liked it.

:

00:56:14,385 --> 00:56:17,700

I did like it, but it's just like

whatever you thought happened,

:

00:56:17,925 --> 00:56:19,065

like, oh, he had a dream.

:

00:56:19,065 --> 00:56:19,695

Okay, great.

:

00:56:19,695 --> 00:56:21,525

We're back in the real, no, no.

:

00:56:21,525 --> 00:56:22,545

That wasn't it at all.

:

00:56:22,745 --> 00:56:24,395

Michelle Rubinstein: They're

kind of like spirit guides.

:

00:56:24,435 --> 00:56:25,155

Seth: Okay, sure.

:

00:56:25,275 --> 00:56:25,575

Yeah.

:

00:56:25,630 --> 00:56:28,480

Michelle Rubinstein: And

they're there assist and

:

00:56:28,485 --> 00:56:28,815

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:29,770

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:30,010

No, I

:

00:56:30,105 --> 00:56:31,065

Seth: To stop a train.

:

00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,710

Michelle Rubinstein: right, And

everyone gathers together and

:

00:56:35,715 --> 00:56:36,855

Katie: like took note.

:

00:56:36,955 --> 00:56:37,995

Michelle Rubinstein: know, I liked it.

:

00:56:38,025 --> 00:56:41,985

Katie: there were like the whole, I don't

know, the last like 20 minutes or the, the

:

00:56:41,985 --> 00:56:43,395

ending sequence

:

00:56:43,725 --> 00:56:45,255

of Yeah.

:

00:56:45,495 --> 00:56:47,985

So the little boy is now all

:

00:56:47,985 --> 00:56:49,575

about saving the farm

:

00:56:50,295 --> 00:56:50,685

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:56:50,925 --> 00:56:55,485

Katie: to physically like stop

the train that the bad guy is on.

:

00:56:56,415 --> 00:56:57,405

he can't, he

:

00:56:57,405 --> 00:56:57,765

can't,

:

00:56:57,765 --> 00:57:01,275

until he gets help from his spirit

:

00:57:01,635 --> 00:57:02,655

guide John Henry.

:

00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:03,760

Michelle Rubinstein: That's right.

:

00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:04,165

Yeah.

:

00:57:04,335 --> 00:57:04,605

Katie: train.

:

00:57:04,605 --> 00:57:08,555

He gets, he gets then Pecos Bill comes to

:

00:57:08,555 --> 00:57:08,825

like

:

00:57:08,855 --> 00:57:11,405

help disarm and he actually does the

:

00:57:12,335 --> 00:57:15,155

that, the story about him with the

shooting off the trigger fingers, he

:

00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:15,650

Seth: Right.

:

00:57:16,535 --> 00:57:18,065

Katie: and then Paul bunyan's

:

00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:18,360

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:57:18,425 --> 00:57:19,835

Katie: to chop down the

:

00:57:21,215 --> 00:57:24,035

platform of the tunnel and gives the

:

00:57:24,035 --> 00:57:24,275

little

:

00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:24,785

boy the

:

00:57:24,785 --> 00:57:26,465

last so

:

00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:27,020

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:57:27,335 --> 00:57:31,055

Katie: dies in the tunnel,

collapse and out emerges

:

00:57:31,215 --> 00:57:31,695

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:57:32,345 --> 00:57:32,495

Katie: to

:

00:57:32,495 --> 00:57:32,945

cheers

:

00:57:32,945 --> 00:57:33,125

and the

:

00:57:33,125 --> 00:57:34,565

townspeople are all there.

:

00:57:36,335 --> 00:57:38,405

I just, I thought it was, I

mean, this is a Disney movie.

:

00:57:39,035 --> 00:57:39,575

it was really

:

00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:39,990

Seth: Right.

:

00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,590

Michelle Rubinstein: Right,

:

00:57:40,655 --> 00:57:41,005

Right.

:

00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:47,070

Katie: then we cut to Daniel like

the field planting with his dad,

:

00:57:47,075 --> 00:57:48,810

but now he's appreciative of it,

:

00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:49,290

given

:

00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:54,120

his experiences he had in the dream

sequence with these tall tale characters.

:

00:57:55,815 --> 00:57:56,105

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

00:57:56,125 --> 00:57:57,925

Katie: then there's some more stuff

that happens we'll probably get to,

:

00:57:57,945 --> 00:57:59,370

but I thought it was really cute.

:

00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,440

Michelle Rubinstein: I know I did too.

:

00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:05,290

I mean, Seth, how'd you feel

about, and you too, Katie, like,

:

00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,080

just 'cause Seth, you know,

can't get over the fantastical of

:

00:58:08,085 --> 00:58:08,835

Seth: Well, I can't.

:

00:58:08,980 --> 00:58:09,250

Michelle Rubinstein: the,

:

00:58:09,465 --> 00:58:10,365

Seth: Okay, well, whatever.

:

00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:11,200

Michelle Rubinstein: well

:

00:58:11,415 --> 00:58:11,775

Seth: finish.

:

00:58:11,775 --> 00:58:12,285

Finish,

:

00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:14,140

Michelle Rubinstein: gets widow maker.

:

00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:15,120

Katie: horse.

:

00:58:17,055 --> 00:58:19,240

Michelle Rubinstein: And Pecos

Bill is like, I'm outta here, and

:

00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,800

the tornado comes and he's like,

:

00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,795

and I'm like, what a way to end

:

00:58:22,905 --> 00:58:23,415

Seth: yes.

:

00:58:23,615 --> 00:58:24,330

Katie: ending.

:

00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:25,470

Yes.

:

00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:26,160

So, widow

:

00:58:26,275 --> 00:58:26,565

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:58:26,675 --> 00:58:31,380

Katie: you guys is the, the

beyond magnificent this horse.

:

00:58:31,725 --> 00:58:32,145

Seth: It's a good,

:

00:58:32,335 --> 00:58:32,415

Michelle Rubinstein: Gorgeous.

:

00:58:32,445 --> 00:58:33,555

Seth: it's a good horse.

:

00:58:33,645 --> 00:58:34,035

Yeah.

:

00:58:34,185 --> 00:58:34,515

Katie: So it's

:

00:58:34,695 --> 00:58:35,145

Pecos Pecos

:

00:58:35,145 --> 00:58:35,355

Bill's

:

00:58:35,355 --> 00:58:36,735

horse, and he doesn't let

:

00:58:36,735 --> 00:58:37,845

anybody like touch him

:

00:58:37,845 --> 00:58:40,335

or ride him or anything,

hence the name Widowmaker.

:

00:58:41,175 --> 00:58:41,505

at the

:

00:58:41,695 --> 00:58:42,045

Michelle Rubinstein: Right?

:

00:58:42,375 --> 00:58:43,455

Katie: he lets the little

:

00:58:43,455 --> 00:58:43,845

boy ride

:

00:58:43,905 --> 00:58:45,645

him, and Pecos Bill gives the

:

00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:46,665

horse to the little boy

:

00:58:46,665 --> 00:58:47,775

because he doesn't need to, he

:

00:58:47,805 --> 00:58:48,135

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:49,785

Katie: a tornado to

:

00:58:50,085 --> 00:58:50,805

Seth: Right, right.

:

00:58:50,855 --> 00:58:50,975

Michelle Rubinstein: it.

:

00:58:52,025 --> 00:58:52,990

That's right.

:

00:58:56,145 --> 00:58:56,745

Seth: It's good.

:

00:58:56,745 --> 00:58:57,375

It's good.

:

00:58:57,435 --> 00:58:57,765

Yeah,

:

00:58:57,975 --> 00:58:58,455

Katie: I mean, it's

:

00:58:58,455 --> 00:58:59,090

Seth: I, Yeah.

:

00:58:59,235 --> 00:59:01,725

Katie: thought because we're we're

told the stories at the beginning,

:

00:59:01,730 --> 00:59:03,585

and so then I, I think it works

:

00:59:03,730 --> 00:59:04,540

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

00:59:05,775 --> 00:59:09,345

Katie: it's calling back to the

story and we see how like the

:

00:59:09,575 --> 00:59:09,865

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

00:59:09,915 --> 00:59:11,145

Katie: of the child, like

:

00:59:11,585 --> 00:59:14,805

believing and then having the experience

and believing and getting a moral from

:

00:59:14,805 --> 00:59:16,755

that, and now appreciating what he has.

:

00:59:17,805 --> 00:59:18,225

Seth: yeah,

:

00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:18,640

Michelle Rubinstein: I

:

00:59:18,885 --> 00:59:19,215

Seth: yeah.

:

00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:20,500

Michelle Rubinstein: I

absolutely agree with

:

00:59:20,595 --> 00:59:22,395

Seth: When he was planting in the I

:

00:59:22,755 --> 00:59:25,725

in the field, I swear for

half a second, I was like,

:

00:59:26,595 --> 00:59:28,875

does he become Johnny

Appleseed or something?

:

00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:31,950

Katie: Actually

:

00:59:31,965 --> 00:59:33,705

Seth: was like, oh wait,

he's just planting corn.

:

00:59:34,065 --> 00:59:34,695

Yeah, nevermind.

:

00:59:34,825 --> 00:59:35,345

Michelle Rubinstein: would've been funny.

:

00:59:35,415 --> 00:59:36,225

That would've been funny.

:

00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,030

Katie: guess to your

point, Seth, is it real?

:

00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:39,510

Is it not real?

:

00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:42,420

Because I was on the same page

with Michelle in that they're

:

00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:48,090

not, but then they are,

because the dad sees them, like

:

00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:49,800

physically sees them, he turns

:

00:59:49,865 --> 00:59:50,155

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:50,340

Katie: the

:

00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:50,520

end.

:

00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,060

'cause

:

00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:51,420

the,

:

00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,920

the three characters come back in

that that final like planting in

:

00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:57,630

they come to

:

00:59:57,705 --> 00:59:57,995

Seth: Yeah.

:

00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:58,620

Katie: And the

:

00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,100

father

:

00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:03,120

who was already walking back to

the farmhouse, turns around and it.

:

01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:06,390

So we think about that.

:

01:00:09,450 --> 01:00:13,500

Seth: I I think it's a movie that

:

01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:17,700

whatever they show you,

they're saying Just believe it.

:

01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:19,650

Don't worry about everything

else that happened.

:

01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:20,370

And it's like, okay.

:

01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,450

You know, so,

:

01:00:21,585 --> 01:00:27,490

Michelle Rubinstein: think the dad is

seeing what he has implanted in his son,

:

01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:27,975

Katie: of,

:

01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:31,900

Michelle Rubinstein: and so

his son takes his hat off, the

:

01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:34,090

coat of the west, which I love.

:

01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:37,420

Respect the land, defend the

defenseless, and don't spit in

:

01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:38,830

front of woman and children.

:

01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,390

Right?

:

01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:44,950

And so he sees his son do that

and from a, from a distance

:

01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:46,810

and he's like, he's just proud.

:

01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:47,080

I don't know.

:

01:00:47,085 --> 01:00:47,920

It's a great moment.

:

01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,180

Seth: Michelle, such a good comparison.

:

01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:52,560

You just whipped out there.

:

01:00:53,010 --> 01:01:00,000

As the son is planting in the

field, the father sees the seeds

:

01:01:00,385 --> 01:01:00,805

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:02,490

Seth: that he has planted

inside of his son.

:

01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:04,080

Very good.

:

01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,620

Very good.

:

01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:05,160

Wow.

:

01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:06,015

Katie: And I

:

01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:07,590

Seth: I just wanna know, like

:

01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:09,225

Katie: he does, the father doesn't

:

01:01:09,485 --> 01:01:09,705

Seth: go,

:

01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:11,025

Katie: physically see them.

:

01:01:12,225 --> 01:01:12,675

Yeah.

:

01:01:13,210 --> 01:01:13,660

Michelle Rubinstein: but

:

01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:15,430

feels it.

:

01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:15,700

He

:

01:01:15,935 --> 01:01:16,155

Seth: you

:

01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:17,320

Michelle Rubinstein:

Seth, what's going on?

:

01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:17,440

You

:

01:01:17,455 --> 01:01:17,675

Seth: so

:

01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:18,550

Michelle Rubinstein:

steam coming outta your

:

01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:19,290

Seth: I'm losing it.

:

01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:20,070

I'm losing it.

:

01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:20,610

I'm losing it.

:

01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,240

Okay.

:

01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,730

I just wanna know like, are there

25 men after this day who are

:

01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:28,200

walking around without their treat?

:

01:01:28,350 --> 01:01:29,670

Their, their trigger finger?

:

01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:32,250

Did they actually have

their fingers shot off?

:

01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:35,430

And if they did, who did it?

:

01:01:35,435 --> 01:01:36,910

Michelle Rubinstein: Well,

they found one right?

:

01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:38,790

Seth: They did the The bag, yeah.

:

01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:39,150

The finger.

:

01:01:39,155 --> 01:01:40,110

Katie: sequence.

:

01:01:41,070 --> 01:01:41,940

Seth: Right, right.

:

01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:42,930

I was, yeah.

:

01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:43,260

Yeah.

:

01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:44,460

I don't know, man.

:

01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:45,270

I don't know.

:

01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:45,870

Katie: bring up a good

:

01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:46,480

Michelle Rubinstein: one,

:

01:01:46,565 --> 01:01:46,680

Katie: I'm

:

01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:47,110

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah.

:

01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:49,290

Katie: that happens.

:

01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:53,670

Does it happen or is it still

:

01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:54,090

Seth: Right.

:

01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:55,470

Does it happen?

:

01:01:56,010 --> 01:01:56,400

Right.

:

01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:58,200

And so who's doing the shooting?

:

01:01:58,260 --> 01:01:58,800

Is it Daniel?

:

01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:00,810

And we see, what we see

:

01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:07,020

is the townspeople, especially

the dude who, as Daniel's dad is

:

01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:08,100

dying,

:

01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,640

jumps up into the house and

he's like, well, I'm selling.

:

01:02:13,175 --> 01:02:13,465

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah.

:

01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,500

Seth: We see that dude kind of

like leading the charge of the

:

01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:18,960

townspeople to be like, actually,

we don't want you guys here.

:

01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,130

Bing, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

:

01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:27,300

And so, you know, I, I think a more

poetic talent of this story could

:

01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:29,100

have been that Daniel is seeing.

:

01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:32,400

These heroes when it's really

the people doing it, but it

:

01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,900

ain't what the movie shows us.

:

01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,720

But, but like you said,

this is a Disney movie.

:

01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:37,530

I'm not trying to

:

01:02:37,835 --> 01:02:38,075

Katie: I think

:

01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:39,480

Seth: apply logic to it.

:

01:02:39,795 --> 01:02:43,445

Katie: a little too

deeply into it, but that's

:

01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,020

Michelle Rubinstein: Probably.

:

01:02:45,425 --> 01:02:45,715

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:46,600

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:02:46,605 --> 01:02:47,565

Katie: know, movie podcasters.

:

01:02:47,590 --> 01:02:48,220

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah,

:

01:02:48,815 --> 01:02:49,105

Seth: yeah,

:

01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:50,140

Michelle Rubinstein: yeah,

:

01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:54,040

was one scene that stuck out to

me and I was curious if you guys

:

01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:55,510

felt the same way I did, but

:

01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:00,130

Daniel's with the three of them

in the cave, and it's getting

:

01:03:00,385 --> 01:03:00,675

Seth: yeah,

:

01:03:00,850 --> 01:03:03,970

Michelle Rubinstein: And Daniel starts

talking about how there's electricity

:

01:03:03,970 --> 01:03:08,110

and electric glass bulbs in New York

City, and they can't wrap their head

:

01:03:08,335 --> 01:03:08,625

Seth: yeah,

:

01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:09,430

Michelle Rubinstein: And

they're like, I don't like

:

01:03:09,615 --> 01:03:09,905

Seth: yeah,

:

01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:11,920

Michelle Rubinstein: he's like,

it burns brighter than any

:

01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,090

piece of wood you can light.

:

01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:13,450

Right?

:

01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:17,440

And it's like this It's, this

conversation of change is

:

01:03:17,585 --> 01:03:17,875

Seth: yeah,

:

01:03:17,950 --> 01:03:18,670

Michelle Rubinstein:

whether you like it or

:

01:03:18,735 --> 01:03:19,025

Seth: yeah,

:

01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:21,700

Michelle Rubinstein: And they're

like, I don't wanna adapt to

:

01:03:21,705 --> 01:03:21,995

Seth: yeah.

:

01:03:22,990 --> 01:03:24,310

Michelle Rubinstein: That

scene very much stuck out

:

01:03:24,395 --> 01:03:24,685

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,740

Michelle Rubinstein: Did you

guys pick up on that at all?

:

01:03:26,745 --> 01:03:29,415

Katie: I guess what I

took from that is that

:

01:03:29,415 --> 01:03:30,285

combined with

:

01:03:30,285 --> 01:03:33,195

when he's telling Pecos

Bill about the technology

:

01:03:33,615 --> 01:03:35,445

of the telephone that's coming.

:

01:03:36,345 --> 01:03:36,885

So

:

01:03:37,065 --> 01:03:37,325

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm

:

01:03:37,485 --> 01:03:37,785

Katie: I just

:

01:03:37,785 --> 01:03:40,965

sort of took it as like a

juxtaposition he's being told these

:

01:03:40,965 --> 01:03:41,805

fantastical

:

01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:43,155

tall tales,

:

01:03:44,115 --> 01:03:44,895

Michelle Rubinstein: mm mm-Hmm.

:

01:03:45,765 --> 01:03:46,545

Katie: them,

:

01:03:46,815 --> 01:03:47,685

What they feel

:

01:03:47,875 --> 01:03:48,165

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:03:48,525 --> 01:03:49,005

Katie: tale.

:

01:03:49,005 --> 01:03:50,235

'cause they can't fathom that

:

01:03:50,235 --> 01:03:50,685

either.

:

01:03:51,955 --> 01:03:52,245

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:53,460

Seth: right.

:

01:03:53,745 --> 01:03:54,105

Katie: But there

:

01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:54,330

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:54,960

And I a little fu,

:

01:03:55,065 --> 01:03:57,315

Katie: of moral, you know,

:

01:03:58,545 --> 01:03:59,475

changes, like

:

01:03:59,475 --> 01:04:00,015

changes

:

01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:00,675

coming.

:

01:04:01,210 --> 01:04:01,630

But

:

01:04:01,810 --> 01:04:02,590

some of it not

:

01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:04,060

good meaning,

:

01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:04,840

Seth: Right.

:

01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:05,590

Katie: so styles the

:

01:04:05,615 --> 01:04:06,215

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:04:07,865 --> 01:04:08,045

Yeah.

:

01:04:08,825 --> 01:04:09,185

Right.

:

01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:09,820

Katie: Who's the

:

01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:11,020

caricature, the way?

:

01:04:12,340 --> 01:04:13,120

I, I

:

01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,140

really liked it.

:

01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:15,520

Like, there's a point where he's

:

01:04:15,525 --> 01:04:16,120

actually

:

01:04:16,125 --> 01:04:17,920

stroking a hairless cat

:

01:04:18,610 --> 01:04:19,779

on the train,

:

01:04:19,810 --> 01:04:20,285

Michelle Rubinstein: loved that.

:

01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:21,580

Katie: like ala

:

01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:21,980

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:04:22,505 --> 01:04:22,985

Katie: Gadget,

:

01:04:22,985 --> 01:04:23,225

bad

:

01:04:23,225 --> 01:04:23,885

guy.

:

01:04:24,605 --> 01:04:24,875

Seth: yeah.

:

01:04:24,875 --> 01:04:25,325

Yeah.

:

01:04:25,595 --> 01:04:25,865

Katie: he

:

01:04:25,985 --> 01:04:26,760

Michelle Rubinstein: yes.

:

01:04:27,095 --> 01:04:30,575

Katie: like a bowler hat, long hair.

:

01:04:30,575 --> 01:04:32,075

He has a cane.

:

01:04:32,465 --> 01:04:34,535

The, the, the round

:

01:04:34,625 --> 01:04:35,795

sunglasses,

:

01:04:35,795 --> 01:04:37,415

the like coat with tails.

:

01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:40,595

Like he's a caricature

of like an evil, bad guy.

:

01:04:41,645 --> 01:04:42,035

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:42,654

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:45,360

I was into that whole

outfit, like I would wear

:

01:04:45,605 --> 01:04:45,995

Seth: I said, oh

:

01:04:46,050 --> 01:04:46,230

Michelle Rubinstein: It's

:

01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:46,910

Seth: my gosh.

:

01:04:46,955 --> 01:04:47,435

Katie: like the little

:

01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:48,390

Michelle Rubinstein: Gimme the cat too.

:

01:04:48,815 --> 01:04:52,145

Seth: I said to my wife, I was like,

you can tell who's a bad guy, because

:

01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:53,735

they're all wearing bowler hats.

:

01:04:54,185 --> 01:04:57,575

And I was like, before we do this

episode, I'm gonna look into why

:

01:04:57,635 --> 01:04:59,855

bowler hat guys and westerns are bad.

:

01:04:59,860 --> 01:05:04,425

I was like, I wonder if like it

was associated with a specific race

:

01:05:04,425 --> 01:05:06,255

of people that people didn't like.

:

01:05:06,255 --> 01:05:09,735

Like maybe all the Irish people wore

bowler hats and we don't like them.

:

01:05:09,735 --> 01:05:09,975

Right.

:

01:05:09,975 --> 01:05:12,345

And so it just kind of became

this like handed down thing.

:

01:05:12,435 --> 01:05:14,745

And she said, no, that's not what it is.

:

01:05:14,745 --> 01:05:16,904

She's like, city people wear bowler hats.

:

01:05:17,775 --> 01:05:19,455

And I was like, oh, right.

:

01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:20,590

Katie: well some 'em had

:

01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:21,645

'

Seth: cause they're all coming.

:

01:05:21,675 --> 01:05:22,195

Michelle Rubinstein: a good thought.

:

01:05:22,665 --> 01:05:23,115

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:23,565

Katie: yeah.

:

01:05:23,565 --> 01:05:24,465

So that equates to

:

01:05:24,755 --> 01:05:25,545

Michelle Rubinstein: Right, right.

:

01:05:26,029 --> 01:05:26,310

Katie: I guess.

:

01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,120

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:05:28,125 --> 01:05:28,485

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:05:28,545 --> 01:05:30,225

Pecos Bill's hat, oof.

:

01:05:30,675 --> 01:05:34,245

I mean, for as beautiful as

a man, as Patrick Swayze is,

:

01:05:35,235 --> 01:05:37,185

this outfit was doing him no favors.

:

01:05:37,275 --> 01:05:38,235

That's just my opinion.

:

01:05:38,295 --> 01:05:38,595

Oh my.

:

01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:39,160

Michelle Rubinstein: I don't know.

:

01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:40,660

I think it worked for him.

:

01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:43,210

I was, I was picking up what

:

01:05:43,290 --> 01:05:47,990

Seth: You see a dude walk into

to a room with a brim, like,

:

01:05:48,315 --> 01:05:48,605

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:49,029

But it.

:

01:05:50,570 --> 01:05:50,860

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:51,400

Michelle Rubinstein: fine.

:

01:05:52,305 --> 01:05:52,875

Seth: alright.

:

01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:53,640

Katie: notice the

:

01:05:53,685 --> 01:05:54,015

Michelle Rubinstein: for me,

:

01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:55,350

Katie: like extremely warm.

:

01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:55,590

I

:

01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:55,920

don't know.

:

01:05:55,965 --> 01:05:56,370

I, I

:

01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:58,770

actually like

:

01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,400

had the rest

:

01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,070

of his outfit went like his, he's a but he

:

01:06:02,070 --> 01:06:02,460

didn't have a

:

01:06:02,654 --> 01:06:03,285

Seth: Yeah, yeah,

:

01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:03,720

Katie: hat.

:

01:06:03,725 --> 01:06:04,440

Is that kind of where

:

01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,010

you're going with

:

01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:06,465

Seth: Right, right, right.

:

01:06:06,525 --> 01:06:07,635

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:08,910

Katie: But yes, he is a

:

01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:09,580

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:10,500

Katie: is the first movie that

:

01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:10,860

we don't

:

01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:14,130

get a, an ounce of skin from the Swayze.

:

01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:15,660

up the whole

:

01:06:16,005 --> 01:06:17,865

Seth: No, yeah, yeah.

:

01:06:18,105 --> 01:06:18,585

It's true.

:

01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:21,040

Michelle Rubinstein: Did

you like the mustache?

:

01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:23,279

Katie: you know what I, the

:

01:06:23,279 --> 01:06:24,540

note that took

:

01:06:25,595 --> 01:06:28,830

that I don't ordinarily know,

:

01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:29,670

I

:

01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:30,900

will take it on.

:

01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:32,279

Like it's a, that

:

01:06:32,279 --> 01:06:32,880

specific

:

01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,290

type of, you know what I mean?

:

01:06:34,295 --> 01:06:34,740

Like it's a

:

01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:35,580

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:35,880

Katie: of

:

01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,760

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes, I do.

:

01:06:36,779 --> 01:06:37,620

Katie: west mustache,

:

01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:38,200

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:38,820

Katie: two

:

01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:39,240

people can

:

01:06:39,355 --> 01:06:39,575

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:42,000

Katie: people can pull that off.

:

01:06:42,990 --> 01:06:43,740

Sam Elliot.

:

01:06:45,295 --> 01:06:45,515

Seth: Yep.

:

01:06:45,765 --> 01:06:46,125

Katie: and Patrick

:

01:06:46,275 --> 01:06:46,695

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:06:46,845 --> 01:06:47,925

Katie: Kurt Russell

:

01:06:47,955 --> 01:06:50,025

and Sam Elliot have it in Tombstone.

:

01:06:50,205 --> 01:06:50,385

So

:

01:06:50,385 --> 01:06:51,585

when I saw Patrick

:

01:06:52,275 --> 01:06:52,815

in the,

:

01:06:52,925 --> 01:06:55,085

Western get get mustache, I was like,

:

01:06:56,020 --> 01:06:56,345

lock

:

01:06:56,345 --> 01:06:56,585

Kurt

:

01:06:56,585 --> 01:06:58,475

Russell yet again.

:

01:06:59,195 --> 01:06:59,485

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:07:01,895 --> 01:07:02,555

Katie: Did you like the

:

01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,480

Michelle Rubinstein: I love it.

:

01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:04,500

Yes.

:

01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:05,430

For him,

:

01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:06,900

for me.

:

01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,560

I normally am not a mustache,

just mustache person.

:

01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:14,160

One time my husband decided

:

01:07:14,490 --> 01:07:17,400

I'm gonna do this and shave

everything else, and that was,

:

01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:18,990

we will never do that again.

:

01:07:19,445 --> 01:07:19,865

Katie: for

:

01:07:20,010 --> 01:07:20,490

Michelle Rubinstein: Ever.

:

01:07:20,850 --> 01:07:21,090

Katie: I would

:

01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:24,330

Michelle Rubinstein: It was, I was like,

I don't know you, you're a weird relative.

:

01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:26,130

That's really, it was bad.

:

01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:31,290

but I felt like in this, as Pecos

bill, it, it very much worked for the

:

01:07:31,385 --> 01:07:31,675

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:07:32,065 --> 01:07:32,355

Yeah.

:

01:07:33,125 --> 01:07:33,395

Katie: Did you

:

01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:33,690

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:07:34,055 --> 01:07:37,325

Katie: this extremely reminiscent of any

:

01:07:37,325 --> 01:07:37,985

other?

:

01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:39,529

Well

:

01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:40,190

known like

:

01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:40,790

fantasy,

:

01:07:40,790 --> 01:07:41,720

adventure film.

:

01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:44,450

Did you get any vibes

:

01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,760

Seth: May I propose the Wizard of Oz,

:

01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,170

Katie: Exactly.

:

01:07:48,175 --> 01:07:48,560

That's

:

01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:48,860

the

:

01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:49,340

whole

:

01:07:49,345 --> 01:07:51,950

time I'm like, this is, this

is literally the Wizard of Oz.

:

01:07:53,090 --> 01:07:53,450

Seth: right?

:

01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:53,960

Yeah.

:

01:07:55,575 --> 01:07:56,865

Michelle Rubinstein: Well now, yes.

:

01:07:57,225 --> 01:08:00,315

That didn't come to me

yesterday, but totally.

:

01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:00,890

Katie: A

:

01:08:00,890 --> 01:08:01,460

wicked

:

01:08:01,465 --> 01:08:01,880

guy

:

01:08:01,904 --> 01:08:02,715

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:05,300

Katie: like following the characters,

:

01:08:05,305 --> 01:08:05,870

chasing them,

:

01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:05,960

the

:

01:08:06,154 --> 01:08:06,605

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:11,390

Katie: dream sequence, little boy,

little a child trying to get home,

:

01:08:12,485 --> 01:08:12,815

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:08:13,215 --> 01:08:13,725

Michelle Rubinstein: Yep.

:

01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:14,029

Katie: the

:

01:08:14,205 --> 01:08:14,595

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,529

Katie: then now they're

:

01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:15,830

just like

:

01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:16,100

with

:

01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,770

you on your adventure yeah,

:

01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:21,170

the journey and experience

:

01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:21,670

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:22,729

Katie: that

:

01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:23,029

dream

:

01:08:23,029 --> 01:08:23,540

sequence,

:

01:08:23,540 --> 01:08:24,260

like gives the

:

01:08:24,265 --> 01:08:24,859

kid

:

01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:26,899

an appreciation of their

:

01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:27,560

life

:

01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:27,710

and

:

01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:28,399

home.

:

01:08:29,075 --> 01:08:29,404

I'm like,

:

01:08:29,404 --> 01:08:29,854

wizard of

:

01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:30,189

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:08:31,475 --> 01:08:32,555

Seth: Yeah, definitely

:

01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:34,450

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

01:08:36,245 --> 01:08:36,815

Seth: not as good.

:

01:08:37,234 --> 01:08:38,225

Katie: Oh, not as good.

:

01:08:38,225 --> 01:08:38,434

Yeah.

:

01:08:38,434 --> 01:08:39,005

I, I,

:

01:08:39,005 --> 01:08:42,604

mean, so I actually went

to the movie theater

:

01:08:42,604 --> 01:08:44,075

the anniversary of The Wizard

:

01:08:44,075 --> 01:08:44,645

of Oz,

:

01:08:45,665 --> 01:08:46,325

Seth: Awesome.

:

01:08:47,255 --> 01:08:49,684

Katie: To see it on the

big screen, you know,

:

01:08:50,045 --> 01:08:50,225

it was

:

01:08:50,225 --> 01:08:50,404

pretty

:

01:08:50,404 --> 01:08:50,645

cool.

:

01:08:50,684 --> 01:08:51,495

Michelle Rubinstein: How was that?

:

01:08:52,205 --> 01:08:53,075

Katie: You see things

:

01:08:53,085 --> 01:08:53,715

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:08:53,795 --> 01:08:54,395

Katie: of things that I

:

01:08:54,694 --> 01:08:55,175

never

:

01:08:55,175 --> 01:08:56,705

noticed on, you know,

:

01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,229

Seth: yeah,

:

01:08:58,330 --> 01:08:58,550

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

01:08:58,955 --> 01:08:59,795

Katie: it was pretty cool.

:

01:09:01,635 --> 01:09:02,145

Michelle Rubinstein: Wow.

:

01:09:02,145 --> 01:09:03,524

I haven't watched that in so long.

:

01:09:03,524 --> 01:09:05,354

We were just talking about

that with a group of friends

:

01:09:05,354 --> 01:09:07,095

yesterday about that movie.

:

01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:10,815

was like, it's been a really long

time since I've revisited that.

:

01:09:11,825 --> 01:09:13,865

Katie: was pretty impressed with the,

:

01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,290

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:09:14,375 --> 01:09:17,045

Katie::

:

01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:18,200

Seth: yeah, yeah,

:

01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:18,729

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:20,960

Seth: yeah.

:

01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,850

That whole era of technicolor

:

01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:27,225

every, almost everything from

that you look at now, and

:

01:09:28,904 --> 01:09:33,830

I don't know if it's just

comparing to how we do color

:

01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:36,830

nowadays, but it looks incredible.

:

01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:38,809

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:39,979

Speaking of

:

01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,649

color, well, I love cows.

:

01:09:42,649 --> 01:09:45,649

Like, I actually like

non jokingly love cows.

:

01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,140

And so Babe,

:

01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:48,710

the Blue

:

01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:50,210

Ox is an

:

01:09:50,210 --> 01:09:50,960

actual,

:

01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:52,491

they died him blue?

:

01:09:55,330 --> 01:09:55,550

Seth: God.

:

01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:57,240

Michelle Rubinstein: Okay.

:

01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,490

I am so glad you brought this

up because this was on my,

:

01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,140

that was like actually one of my

:

01:10:01,475 --> 01:10:01,895

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:10:01,925 --> 01:10:05,130

Michelle Rubinstein: tried looking this up

yesterday and I was like, how did we get

:

01:10:06,510 --> 01:10:07,800

animal blue?

:

01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:10,110

this done in post?

:

01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:11,490

Did, could we do that?

:

01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:13,590

Then they died in blue.

:

01:10:13,705 --> 01:10:14,059

Katie: because

:

01:10:14,059 --> 01:10:15,559

I am like, I am like a

:

01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:16,250

big

:

01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:16,700

animal.

:

01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:18,710

And so like,

:

01:10:18,809 --> 01:10:19,410

Michelle Rubinstein: Yes.

:

01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:20,960

Katie: I'm like always scared.

:

01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:21,559

I'm like, what did they,

:

01:10:21,559 --> 01:10:21,890

how did

:

01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:22,220

they do that?

:

01:10:22,220 --> 01:10:22,460

Yeah.

:

01:10:22,559 --> 01:10:22,780

Seth: Eh.

:

01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:23,150

Katie: Um,

:

01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:24,000

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:28,130

Katie: because this is Seth, I tell you

:

01:10:28,530 --> 01:10:28,950

Michelle Rubinstein: I'm gonna

:

01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:30,390

just, yeah.

:

01:10:30,395 --> 01:10:30,765

Get out.

:

01:10:31,605 --> 01:10:32,175

Kick him out.

:

01:10:32,175 --> 01:10:33,340

Katie, we are done with you.

:

01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:33,660

Seth

:

01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:34,290

Seth: Okay.

:

01:10:34,565 --> 01:10:34,955

I'll go.

:

01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:35,740

Michelle Rubinstein: No, I'm

:

01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:36,260

I'm kidding.

:

01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:36,530

Katie: like,

:

01:10:36,559 --> 01:10:36,950

this movie

:

01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:38,780

came out in 95, but it was filmed in 93.

:

01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:39,050

And so

:

01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:40,430

CGI was like

:

01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:44,630

not quite with it yet

when this movie was made.

:

01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:47,180

So he was actually like painted blue,

:

01:10:48,020 --> 01:10:51,910

it was a non-toxic vegetable

dye that they used.

:

01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:52,540

It

:

01:10:52,540 --> 01:10:52,720

looked

:

01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:53,440

Seth: Okay.

:

01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:53,860

Michelle Rubinstein: Oh,

:

01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:54,220

Katie: was an

:

01:10:54,340 --> 01:10:55,150

Seth: Yeah, it looks good.

:

01:10:55,150 --> 01:10:55,510

Yeah.

:

01:10:55,690 --> 01:10:56,020

Yeah.

:

01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:59,080

Katie: and then also the scene where,

:

01:11:01,420 --> 01:11:06,010

Daniel is trying to break the trio out

of jail, that calamity Jane puts them in.

:

01:11:06,940 --> 01:11:07,720

He's pulling

:

01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,050

like the

:

01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:08,410

wall

:

01:11:08,415 --> 01:11:08,770

down.

:

01:11:08,770 --> 01:11:09,910

So the ox is like.

:

01:11:10,825 --> 01:11:12,355

Chained to the door and

:

01:11:12,415 --> 01:11:13,285

like pulling it.

:

01:11:14,155 --> 01:11:14,635

so to

:

01:11:14,770 --> 01:11:15,059

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:11:15,235 --> 01:11:17,095

Katie: ensure that the

animal wasn't harmed

:

01:11:17,095 --> 01:11:19,465

during filming, crew members pushed the

:

01:11:19,465 --> 01:11:20,755

wall of the

:

01:11:20,755 --> 01:11:21,115

jail

:

01:11:21,115 --> 01:11:23,425

from giving

:

01:11:23,425 --> 01:11:23,545

the

:

01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:25,135

illusion that

:

01:11:25,135 --> 01:11:25,675

babe.

:

01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:26,400

Michelle Rubinstein: Nice,

:

01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,235

Katie: dragging it down the

:

01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:27,720

Michelle Rubinstein: nice.

:

01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:29,590

Katie: babe.

:

01:11:29,815 --> 01:11:30,055

The Blue

:

01:11:30,155 --> 01:11:32,465

Michelle Rubinstein: Awesome, babe.

:

01:11:32,465 --> 01:11:33,455

The Blue Ox

:

01:11:34,684 --> 01:11:35,105

great.

:

01:11:35,585 --> 01:11:36,455

I'm happy to hear that.

:

01:11:36,455 --> 01:11:36,740

Thank you.

:

01:11:38,225 --> 01:11:42,095

Seth: A scene that always stuck

out to me that I've thought about

:

01:11:42,275 --> 01:11:43,985

many times throughout the years.

:

01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:44,675

I don't know why.

:

01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:45,575

Maybe it's because it's

:

01:11:46,205 --> 01:11:46,955

one of the

:

01:11:47,005 --> 01:11:48,595

like upsetting scenes.

:

01:11:48,684 --> 01:11:48,985

I don't know.

:

01:11:48,985 --> 01:11:53,485

It always stuck in my brain is when we're

introduced to John Henry, who they've

:

01:11:53,485 --> 01:11:58,615

been looking for, and he like loses the

competition with the, the steam engine.

:

01:11:58,825 --> 01:11:59,065

Katie: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:11:59,335 --> 01:12:01,945

Seth: And I was like,

why would you do that?

:

01:12:01,945 --> 01:12:04,585

That's the whole thing about John Henry.

:

01:12:04,885 --> 01:12:08,305

And it's like they have the

kid helping with the spikes.

:

01:12:08,875 --> 01:12:10,255

He can't even lift them.

:

01:12:10,315 --> 01:12:11,365

How is this fair?

:

01:12:11,365 --> 01:12:12,835

Like money is on the line.

:

01:12:13,645 --> 01:12:16,765

It's not just like a friendly

thing that it's not fair

:

01:12:16,825 --> 01:12:17,035

Katie: And they

:

01:12:17,125 --> 01:12:17,845

Seth: at all.

:

01:12:17,905 --> 01:12:18,415

Um,

:

01:12:18,415 --> 01:12:18,595

Katie: Too.

:

01:12:18,595 --> 01:12:19,405

I'm like, hurry

:

01:12:19,525 --> 01:12:20,065

Seth: yeah.

:

01:12:20,184 --> 01:12:20,425

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:20,875 --> 01:12:24,205

Seth: And didn't, didn't

the steam engine only

:

01:12:25,225 --> 01:12:26,125

do one?

:

01:12:26,125 --> 01:12:28,105

And he did like three or four?

:

01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:28,495

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:28,495 --> 01:12:28,615

I

:

01:12:28,765 --> 01:12:29,395

Seth: What was this?

:

01:12:29,395 --> 01:12:30,235

Competition?

:

01:12:30,325 --> 01:12:30,445

Katie: I

:

01:12:30,445 --> 01:12:32,725

was very confused about what this was

:

01:12:33,595 --> 01:12:34,075

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:35,125

Katie: he had him lose.

:

01:12:35,125 --> 01:12:35,635

I don't know.

:

01:12:35,785 --> 01:12:37,765

I agree that now that you you that

:

01:12:37,765 --> 01:12:38,245

out, I

:

01:12:38,245 --> 01:12:38,635

could have

:

01:12:38,635 --> 01:12:43,105

done with that scene being

something entirely different.

:

01:12:43,225 --> 01:12:44,335

like some other,

:

01:12:44,934 --> 01:12:45,415

Seth: different.

:

01:12:45,415 --> 01:12:45,895

Totally.

:

01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:46,520

D Maybe

:

01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:47,280

Maybe

:

01:12:47,995 --> 01:12:51,775

fails and then Pecos steps

in and helps him finish.

:

01:12:51,775 --> 01:12:52,105

Or I,

:

01:12:52,465 --> 01:12:52,915

I don't know.

:

01:12:52,915 --> 01:12:53,275

Like,

:

01:12:53,275 --> 01:12:53,934

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:54,835 --> 01:12:58,225

Seth: why are we knocking this

kid who's already on the run

:

01:12:58,225 --> 01:12:59,965

for his life down a few pegs?

:

01:12:59,995 --> 01:13:00,775

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:13:03,625 --> 01:13:03,925

Yeah.

:

01:13:03,925 --> 01:13:06,085

Because the whole point he pego

bill's like, well, you can do

:

01:13:06,085 --> 01:13:07,825

anything if you believe you can.

:

01:13:07,915 --> 01:13:08,485

But then he

:

01:13:08,665 --> 01:13:09,145

Seth: Right.

:

01:13:10,105 --> 01:13:10,315

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:11,275

Seth: actually you can't,

:

01:13:11,395 --> 01:13:11,605

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:13:11,860 --> 01:13:13,055

Michelle Rubinstein: You can't do it.

:

01:13:13,375 --> 01:13:13,855

Seth: sorry.

:

01:13:13,915 --> 01:13:14,305

sorry.

:

01:13:14,455 --> 01:13:16,855

I didn't realize how big

those spikes were, kid.

:

01:13:17,245 --> 01:13:17,845

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:13:18,325 --> 01:13:19,195

Mm.

:

01:13:20,275 --> 01:13:22,795

I did very much like I, I

:

01:13:22,795 --> 01:13:24,385

did read a review not until

:

01:13:24,385 --> 01:13:27,115

after I watched the movie, 'cause

I try not to do that either,

:

01:13:28,705 --> 01:13:29,995

I did read a review.

:

01:13:29,995 --> 01:13:30,865

Somebody didn't

:

01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:31,255

like the

:

01:13:31,255 --> 01:13:31,645

tree

:

01:13:31,645 --> 01:13:34,045

hugging aspect of the movie.

:

01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:34,809

Seth: Oh Wow.

:

01:13:35,065 --> 01:13:36,235

Katie: I'm like, okay,

:

01:13:36,985 --> 01:13:38,155

this is for children.

:

01:13:38,155 --> 01:13:39,145

And we're so like,

:

01:13:39,475 --> 01:13:39,825

Seth: Right.

:

01:13:39,985 --> 01:13:40,315

Katie: thought

:

01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:40,675

it was a

:

01:13:40,675 --> 01:13:42,415

great story that we should pre like,

:

01:13:42,805 --> 01:13:43,345

not.

:

01:13:44,095 --> 01:13:44,815

Be greedy

:

01:13:44,815 --> 01:13:47,425

and take care of land that we have.

:

01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:49,885

Like we should be good

stewards to the planet that we

:

01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:50,380

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:13:51,205 --> 01:13:51,955

Katie: and,

:

01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:53,300

Michelle Rubinstein: Absolutely.

:

01:13:53,485 --> 01:13:53,665

Katie: when we

:

01:13:53,725 --> 01:13:53,934

let

:

01:13:53,934 --> 01:13:54,595

greed get out of

:

01:13:54,895 --> 01:13:55,825

like it shows us that.

:

01:13:56,095 --> 01:13:58,195

So I'm like, what is, I don't know.

:

01:13:58,285 --> 01:13:59,365

I did not like that review.

:

01:14:00,830 --> 01:14:01,400

Michelle Rubinstein: No.

:

01:14:01,535 --> 01:14:01,755

Wow.

:

01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,930

Seth: no, I mean, I think

you can take a really

:

01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,920

like pessimistic view of this and it as I.

:

01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:13,480

Like Americana propaganda, or

:

01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:16,270

I guess you could see it as tree huggy.

:

01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:17,950

I mean, I don't really

see it that way at all.

:

01:14:17,950 --> 01:14:23,950

They're all, they're all utilizing the

land in a responsible way and like, I

:

01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:26,410

can't remember which character says it

towards the end, but they say the land

:

01:14:26,410 --> 01:14:28,390

is defenseless or something like that.

:

01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:28,630

Right?

:

01:14:28,885 --> 01:14:30,325

Katie: the, boy does, he's,

:

01:14:30,610 --> 01:14:31,000

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:14:31,105 --> 01:14:31,735

Katie: once he

:

01:14:31,735 --> 01:14:32,485

realizes that

:

01:14:32,485 --> 01:14:33,895

he needs to, he's like, no, no.

:

01:14:34,345 --> 01:14:36,235

He has now seen what the

:

01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:36,775

potential

:

01:14:36,809 --> 01:14:37,165

future

:

01:14:37,165 --> 01:14:38,815

looks like via his like

:

01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:39,370

Seth: yeah.

:

01:14:39,595 --> 01:14:41,575

Katie: And So he's like

the land is defenseless.

:

01:14:41,575 --> 01:14:43,075

We have to do something about it.

:

01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:44,200

Seth: yeah.

:

01:14:44,684 --> 01:14:45,105

Michelle Rubinstein: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:47,860

Seth: the, but they're still

farmers and loggers, like, they're

:

01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:51,430

not saying don't build railroads

and don't farm and don't log.

:

01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:52,930

Like, I, I don't know.

:

01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:53,920

That's, that's,

:

01:14:54,850 --> 01:14:56,890

that person has problems perhaps.

:

01:14:57,130 --> 01:14:57,340

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:14:57,340 --> 01:14:59,800

there's like one time that Paul

bunion, he's like, yeah, I'm a

:

01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:00,070

logger.

:

01:15:00,070 --> 01:15:00,970

I cut trees down.

:

01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:02,200

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:04,300

Katie: he, I can't remember

what he was talking

:

01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:04,570

about, but

:

01:15:04,575 --> 01:15:06,550

he's like, they just come

through and cut everything down,

:

01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:07,780

even the saplings, so there's

:

01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:07,990

no

:

01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:08,410

chance of

:

01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:08,890

Seth: right.

:

01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:09,590

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:15:09,740 --> 01:15:10,280

Right,

:

01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:10,930

Katie: they're talking

:

01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:11,270

Michelle Rubinstein: right.

:

01:15:12,205 --> 01:15:14,200

Katie: a ba, a healthy balance there.

:

01:15:14,650 --> 01:15:14,860

And

:

01:15:14,875 --> 01:15:15,325

Seth: Yeah,

:

01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,940

Katie: especially nowadays,

I guess, like there's

:

01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:19,990

I

:

01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:20,200

don't

:

01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:20,500

know,

:

01:15:20,530 --> 01:15:26,720

dark cloud over everything right now

with like corporate greed is like so

:

01:15:26,735 --> 01:15:27,005

Seth: sure.

:

01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:27,410

Katie: face

:

01:15:27,410 --> 01:15:27,710

all the

:

01:15:27,710 --> 01:15:28,250

time now.

:

01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:31,160

So I especially, I don't

know if I would've felt this

:

01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,410

way in 95, but watching it

:

01:15:33,770 --> 01:15:38,630

yesterday, I very much took

note of the evil guy even

:

01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:41,900

styles, when he's about to be

:

01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:42,590

defeated.

:

01:15:43,535 --> 01:15:44,015

The quote

:

01:15:44,020 --> 01:15:45,965

is, there'll be more

:

01:15:46,745 --> 01:15:47,045

They'll

:

01:15:47,045 --> 01:15:47,405

never

:

01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:47,765

stop

:

01:15:47,765 --> 01:15:48,665

coming as

:

01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,290

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:15:49,445 --> 01:15:49,805

Katie: there's a

:

01:15:49,805 --> 01:15:51,455

profit to be made.

:

01:15:53,465 --> 01:15:53,915

And I was like,

:

01:15:54,130 --> 01:15:54,350

Seth: yep.

:

01:15:54,365 --> 01:15:54,695

Katie: truer

:

01:15:54,765 --> 01:15:55,055

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:56,440

Seth: yep.

:

01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,420

Michelle Rubinstein: Right.

:

01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:58,500

Wow.

:

01:15:59,160 --> 01:15:59,790

Wow.

:

01:16:00,515 --> 01:16:00,995

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:01,710

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,375

Katie: moral there.

:

01:16:03,785 --> 01:16:04,175

Seth: Good moral,

:

01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:04,515

Michelle Rubinstein: Really

:

01:16:04,684 --> 01:16:08,195

Seth: for kids it's, it's an easy way

of expressing it to kids, which is,

:

01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:08,860

I.

:

01:16:09,725 --> 01:16:11,165

Perhaps the intended audience.

:

01:16:11,165 --> 01:16:12,275

I'm, I'm still not sure.

:

01:16:12,845 --> 01:16:13,295

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:13,475 --> 01:16:13,865

you do

:

01:16:13,865 --> 01:16:14,165

bring up

:

01:16:14,165 --> 01:16:14,465

some good

:

01:16:14,465 --> 01:16:14,945

points.

:

01:16:15,184 --> 01:16:15,875

Sometimes

:

01:16:15,875 --> 01:16:17,795

I'm just in a very forgiving mood.

:

01:16:17,885 --> 01:16:18,425

When I watch

:

01:16:18,425 --> 01:16:19,175

movies,

:

01:16:20,645 --> 01:16:20,735

I

:

01:16:20,835 --> 01:16:21,165

Michelle Rubinstein: Totally.

:

01:16:21,405 --> 01:16:22,820

Did you watch this with your kids, Seth?

:

01:16:23,915 --> 01:16:29,010

Seth: I actually did not, I tried

to I put it on early this morning.

:

01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:31,545

I have two, one is 10 and one is three,

:

01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:33,360

Katie: Oh, I.

:

01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,910

Seth: the 10-year-old was preoccupied

and I put on for my three-year-old.

:

01:16:38,910 --> 01:16:39,990

And I was like, Hey,

this is a kid's movie.

:

01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:40,740

Come on.

:

01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:41,309

This is gonna be great.

:

01:16:41,309 --> 01:16:42,300

And I tried to like, really?

:

01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,720

And he is just like, nah, just

like left pretty, pretty quickly

:

01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,190

after it started I was like, okay,

:

01:16:47,385 --> 01:16:47,985

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:48,555

I.

:

01:16:48,555 --> 01:16:48,975

do feel

:

01:16:49,125 --> 01:16:49,205

Michelle Rubinstein: Hmm.

:

01:16:49,695 --> 01:16:50,835

Katie: made for kids now is

:

01:16:50,835 --> 01:16:51,345

vastly

:

01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:51,945

different than

:

01:16:51,945 --> 01:16:54,705

it was when were growing up.

:

01:16:54,855 --> 01:16:55,545

Like from an

:

01:16:55,545 --> 01:16:55,965

attention

:

01:16:55,965 --> 01:16:57,045

span perspective.

:

01:16:57,735 --> 01:16:58,035

Do you

:

01:16:58,170 --> 01:16:59,250

Seth: it is.

:

01:16:59,295 --> 01:16:59,985

Katie: kids, Seth?

:

01:17:02,355 --> 01:17:03,405

Seth: It is.

:

01:17:03,405 --> 01:17:07,335

And like I try to temper all things.

:

01:17:07,335 --> 01:17:08,025

And so

:

01:17:09,135 --> 01:17:13,485

I try to not say like, oh, this is what

is coming out that kids are excited

:

01:17:13,485 --> 01:17:15,645

about, but it sucks 'cause it's different.

:

01:17:15,915 --> 01:17:17,265

And so you're not allowed to watch that.

:

01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:21,705

You have to watch the old stuff

because when I was a kid, I loved, you

:

01:17:21,705 --> 01:17:23,505

know, Hey Arnold and Powerpuff girls.

:

01:17:23,505 --> 01:17:26,085

And that was like the cool,

new, interesting, exciting

:

01:17:26,085 --> 01:17:27,405

thing that grabbed my attention.

:

01:17:28,045 --> 01:17:36,265

But at the same time I tried to put

in older what I would consider to be

:

01:17:36,355 --> 01:17:38,575

better or just different stuff, so

:

01:17:38,860 --> 01:17:41,590

Katie: Are they open to

it then the that you show

:

01:17:41,845 --> 01:17:42,235

Seth: yeah.

:

01:17:42,235 --> 01:17:42,955

Yeah, definitely.

:

01:17:42,955 --> 01:17:43,285

Yeah.

:

01:17:43,345 --> 01:17:44,065

My, my

:

01:17:44,065 --> 01:17:45,475

my youngest son

:

01:17:46,315 --> 01:17:52,305

when he was younger whenever the,

janice Film's logo or Criterion

:

01:17:52,305 --> 01:17:53,595

logo would come on the screen.

:

01:17:53,595 --> 01:17:54,465

He would clap

:

01:17:55,410 --> 01:17:55,830

Katie: Really?

:

01:17:56,265 --> 01:17:59,415

Seth: he had sat through so many Yeah.

:

01:17:59,415 --> 01:18:01,515

Old, boring foreign movies with me.

:

01:18:02,780 --> 01:18:04,215

Katie: Aw, that's sweet.

:

01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,290

Michelle Rubinstein: that's cute.

:

01:18:05,385 --> 01:18:09,195

Seth: I actually ended up, I

got, I, I have a Janice Coin

:

01:18:09,465 --> 01:18:14,125

tattoo that's partially for films

and partially for that memory.

:

01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:15,330

Katie: That's awesome.

:

01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,020

Michelle Rubinstein: That's cute.

:

01:18:18,230 --> 01:18:18,800

Really cute.

:

01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:21,350

Katie: Well, this family

friendly movie is.

:

01:18:22,825 --> 01:18:25,465

not my typical jam.

:

01:18:25,465 --> 01:18:30,805

I wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to it, but

I am really glad that I watched it and

:

01:18:31,255 --> 01:18:33,445

I would've liked it even

more when I was a kid.

:

01:18:33,755 --> 01:18:35,945

Like we've talked about,

it's beautifully shot.

:

01:18:36,970 --> 01:18:37,390

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:18:37,865 --> 01:18:42,395

Katie: really talented cast

provides a good moral and I think

:

01:18:42,395 --> 01:18:44,765

that overall is pretty well done.

:

01:18:46,085 --> 01:18:50,195

now, it is time to return

to the present day reality.

:

01:18:50,675 --> 01:18:53,015

Seth and Michelle, thank

:

01:18:53,015 --> 01:18:57,785

you so much for joining me to re

relive a little bit of 95 and this

:

01:18:58,565 --> 01:19:00,934

surprising little movie, little Adventure

:

01:19:00,934 --> 01:19:01,265

movie.

:

01:19:01,265 --> 01:19:01,355

Do

:

01:19:01,355 --> 01:19:01,565

you have

:

01:19:01,565 --> 01:19:04,535

any final thoughts about Tall Tale?

:

01:19:05,778 --> 01:19:06,323

Michelle Rubinstein: I am glad.

:

01:19:06,383 --> 01:19:07,673

I'm glad I watched it.

:

01:19:07,733 --> 01:19:09,143

Thank you for having us, Katie.

:

01:19:09,143 --> 01:19:10,853

I can't wait to talk about this movie.

:

01:19:10,858 --> 01:19:13,193

Like for me, this is a

really good conversation

:

01:19:13,588 --> 01:19:13,798

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:19:13,913 --> 01:19:15,952

Michelle Rubinstein: Hey guys, did you

ever see Tall Hill, that movie that

:

01:19:15,952 --> 01:19:17,903

came out in:

:

01:19:17,993 --> 01:19:18,113

Katie: it.

:

01:19:18,202 --> 01:19:20,333

Michelle Rubinstein: as Pecos Bill, right?

:

01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:23,573

And so I'm going to a party

tonight, a Super Bowl party, and

:

01:19:23,573 --> 01:19:24,713

this is what I'm gonna talk about.

:

01:19:24,713 --> 01:19:26,873

You know, whoever will pay

attention to me and not the game.

:

01:19:28,093 --> 01:19:30,673

Katie: I, I am going to

require a follow up from

:

01:19:30,673 --> 01:19:30,853

you,

:

01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:31,333

Michelle,

:

01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:32,683

about how many people have

:

01:19:32,873 --> 01:19:33,563

Michelle Rubinstein: I will

:

01:19:33,583 --> 01:19:35,293

Katie: it and wanted to to about it.

:

01:19:37,733 --> 01:19:39,952

Michelle Rubinstein: I will

provide to you, Katie, I promise.

:

01:19:40,243 --> 01:19:41,713

Katie: Any final thoughts about the movie?

:

01:19:44,053 --> 01:19:44,773

Seth: I think

:

01:19:44,773 --> 01:19:46,723

I think if you haven't seen it

:

01:19:47,083 --> 01:19:48,073

in a while,

:

01:19:48,798 --> 01:19:49,993

an interesting revisit.

:

01:19:49,993 --> 01:19:51,733

It's an easy revisit.

:

01:19:51,733 --> 01:19:53,863

You don't necessarily need to be like,

:

01:19:55,063 --> 01:19:59,053

fully engaged in taking notes

and like, oh, twists and turns.

:

01:19:59,053 --> 01:20:01,153

Like it's pretty straightforward.

:

01:20:01,153 --> 01:20:04,213

And like I said, the movie just kind

of says, whatever we're showing you

:

01:20:04,333 --> 01:20:06,913

is what is happening, so go for it.

:

01:20:07,282 --> 01:20:12,623

I did post about this movie on my

Twitter and I got several responses

:

01:20:12,623 --> 01:20:15,383

that were like, oh my gosh, tall tale.

:

01:20:15,383 --> 01:20:17,213

I used to watch this

all the time as a kid.

:

01:20:17,213 --> 01:20:17,968

And yeah,

:

01:20:18,998 --> 01:20:19,358

Katie: I don't

:

01:20:19,433 --> 01:20:19,823

Seth: so

:

01:20:20,108 --> 01:20:20,618

Katie: me.

:

01:20:21,353 --> 01:20:23,303

Seth: the tall tailors, they're out there.

:

01:20:23,452 --> 01:20:23,753

Katie: Like

:

01:20:23,768 --> 01:20:26,168

Seth: yeah, I mean, yeah, I

made, I made a lot of jokes, but

:

01:20:26,905 --> 01:20:28,015

I do agree that

:

01:20:28,825 --> 01:20:31,195

the movie is competently made.

:

01:20:31,735 --> 01:20:34,045

At no point was I like, oh, this is bad.

:

01:20:34,045 --> 01:20:34,105

I.

:

01:20:34,420 --> 01:20:37,540

I just, I wish that it picked

Elaine and was a little bit

:

01:20:37,540 --> 01:20:41,050

more passionate about something,

:

01:20:42,115 --> 01:20:42,850

Katie: I hear that

:

01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:43,510

Seth: but yeah.

:

01:20:43,809 --> 01:20:44,200

But yeah,

:

01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:44,830

Katie: it

:

01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:45,460

Seth: and, and yeah.

:

01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:46,600

Thank you very much for,

:

01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:47,625

Katie: stewards of the land.

:

01:20:47,785 --> 01:20:48,730

I feel, I feel

:

01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:49,420

Seth: there you go.

:

01:20:49,809 --> 01:20:49,990

Katie: about,

:

01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:50,200

Michelle Rubinstein: I

:

01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:50,920

Seth: There you go.

:

01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:51,960

Michelle Rubinstein: I agree.

:

01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:52,450

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:20:52,455 --> 01:20:55,005

Thank you for having us

on, we're, we're grateful.

:

01:20:55,285 --> 01:20:56,845

Katie: I'm so glad that

you guys were game.

:

01:20:57,155 --> 01:20:58,835

We are down to, like all of the

:

01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,525

big

:

01:20:59,525 --> 01:21:00,065

movies

:

01:21:00,070 --> 01:21:02,645

were already taken, so

thank you for being game

:

01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:03,030

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:21:03,070 --> 01:21:06,155

Katie: of the um, known sway

:

01:21:06,245 --> 01:21:06,455

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:21:06,460 --> 01:21:11,255

I sent Michelle the list of what was left

and she was like, I don't know, I just

:

01:21:11,615 --> 01:21:12,725

Tell me what we pick.

:

01:21:14,130 --> 01:21:17,190

Michelle Rubinstein: I was like, Seth, I

try, well, you know, I was, I looked at

:

01:21:17,195 --> 01:21:18,720

it and I was like, I don't know any of

:

01:21:18,725 --> 01:21:19,055

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:20,460

Michelle Rubinstein: So I, I am gonna

:

01:21:20,565 --> 01:21:24,285

Seth: There were, there were several

that I was interested in that were left,

:

01:21:24,645 --> 01:21:27,525

but I landed on this one because I

had seen it and I was like, oh yeah.

:

01:21:27,585 --> 01:21:28,005

Tall tale.

:

01:21:28,005 --> 01:21:28,934

Everyone knows that one, right?

:

01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,110

Katie: There is one.

:

01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:32,160

I'm not gonna reveal reveal

:

01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,470

it I am like shocked

:

01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:34,770

no one

:

01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:35,220

has picked

:

01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:40,410

yet, but, 'cause it was like,

so part of my growing up.

:

01:21:40,415 --> 01:21:40,830

But

:

01:21:41,535 --> 01:21:41,684

Seth: Mm-Hmm.

:

01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,350

Katie: where it lands in the season.

:

01:21:43,355 --> 01:21:46,290

If it ends up being the finale,

it'll kind of work out perfectly.

:

01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:46,650

But

:

01:21:47,115 --> 01:21:47,680

Seth: Nice.

:

01:21:47,895 --> 01:21:48,585

Very nice.

:

01:21:48,690 --> 01:21:50,940

Katie: game for a lesser, a lesser known

:

01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:53,160

Fun, just the same.

:

01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,260

And you guys were fabulous guests.

:

01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:59,490

So if you guys wanna hear more

from Seth and Michelle, you

:

01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:59,850

guys,

:

01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:00,270

where

:

01:22:00,270 --> 01:22:02,010

can we all find you?

:

01:22:02,883 --> 01:22:05,583

Michelle Rubinstein: You can

follow us at Movie Friends podcast.

:

01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:06,153

We

:

01:22:06,543 --> 01:22:08,073

are on Twitter and

:

01:22:08,403 --> 01:22:11,282

Instagram and just search wherever

you're listening to podcasts.

:

01:22:11,282 --> 01:22:15,483

We have new episodes coming out on

Mondays, and Seth is always doing new

:

01:22:15,483 --> 01:22:19,383

releases that he does, and we have a

Patreon if you wanna check that out.

:

01:22:19,473 --> 01:22:20,643

We have cool stuff happening over there.

:

01:22:20,648 --> 01:22:24,933

We're about to release a new Patreon

exclusive show on seventh Heaven.

:

01:22:26,523 --> 01:22:27,753

Can't wait for that one.

:

01:22:27,753 --> 01:22:28,282

Katie: talk about

:

01:22:28,623 --> 01:22:28,773

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:22:28,778 --> 01:22:29,403

Come check us out.

:

01:22:29,403 --> 01:22:30,153

Come say hi.

:

01:22:30,368 --> 01:22:30,608

Seth: Yeah.

:

01:22:30,693 --> 01:22:31,113

Michelle Rubinstein: Yeah.

:

01:22:31,598 --> 01:22:33,788

Katie: And thank you all

for listening or watching.

:

01:22:34,478 --> 01:22:39,098

Don't forget to share the nostalgia with

others who might also enjoy Retro Made.

:

01:22:39,518 --> 01:22:43,208

Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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