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Part 3 of 3 — The Georgia Lunch Farewell Session
All good things must end. Georgia Lunch's HR welfare check concludes in the most Metal Shoppe way imaginable — with a Vinnie Vincent diss track, a Jodi Bon Jovi deep dive, a full debate on band name ownership, Steel Panther, and Rob Halford's Fight closing out the trilogy.
Part 3 picks up right where Part 2 left off. Georgia is still in the building. The trough is still a concern. And somehow we've arrived at one of the deepest, most genuinely informed music conversations the Metal Shoppe has ever hosted.
This episode covers:
- Lich King's Black Metal Sucks — a diss track aimed at an entire genre, played for the room. Georgia's verdict: diplomatic. Noman's verdict: it's on the playlist
- Slaughter's Burning Bridges — the Vinnie Vincent diss track with a spoken bridge in Mark Slaughter's shrieky falsetto that remains one of the most unhinged moments in hair metal history. The full origin story: how three members of Vinnie Vincent Invasion escaped, how Chrysalis kept the band and fired Vinnie, how Bobby Rock got replaced by the ridiculously pretty Blas Elias, and how Bobby Rock ended up in Nelson — who apparently partied harder than anyone
- The original Incubus — thrash metal from the late 80s, nothing to do with the other Incubus, later renamed Opprobrium to avoid confusion. One subscriber on YouTube. The other Dagger also turns up with one subscriber and causes confusion
- The Slaughter/Canadian Slaughter confusion — two different bands, wildly different sounds, Rory caught in the middle
- Jodi Bon Jovi — Jon's cousin — finally gets her song played. Somebody to Love (Jefferson Airplane cover). The verdict: something happened. The website exists. She looks like Jon. The album cover raises questions
- The Guess Who saga — Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings suing the drummer who owned the name for misrepresentation, winning, reclaiming the name, then touring as the Guess Who with only two of the four original members. The CCR/John Fogerty parallel. The Foreigner deep dive — when does a band stop being itself and become a cover band of itself? Jeff Pilsen in everything. The Hurricane/Foreigner connection nobody knew
- Satchel from Steel Panther was in Rob Halford's Fight — nobody knew, including us
- Georgia's farewell speech — on finding community in music, in podcasting, in air guitar, on the importance of whimsy, and on what makes a great conversation. Noman and Rory are not fired. They may even get sick days. Do not push it
- Mortal Sin by Fight closes the trilogy
Music featured this episode:
Lich King, Slaughter, Incubus/Opprobrium, Jodi Bon Jovi, Fight, Steel Panther, Foreigner, The Guess Who
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Transcripts
That's funny.
Speaker A:I'm talking about.
Speaker B:Anyway, I just like playing that clip that clips.
Speaker B:Lot of fun.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker B:It's better than this.
Speaker B:Oh, I haven't pissed you off yet.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker B:It's time you.
Speaker B:You ready, Georgia, to watch him rant?
Speaker A:Sure,.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker D:I'll.
Speaker B:I'll play your rant music for you while you rant.
Speaker C:Every time.
Speaker C:Every time.
Speaker D:I am the root.
Speaker B:See that, that, that's my Hootie.
Speaker B:And that's, you know, that's you.
Speaker B:Me?
Speaker B:It's Hootie and the Blowfish.
Speaker D:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That album is just.
Speaker C:Lulu is.
Speaker C:It's unbelievable.
Speaker B:You know, there's a whole podcast dedicated one track at a time for the whole Lulu album.
Speaker C:They have to take like a year off between songs so they can like recover, recover.
Speaker C:And some of the songs are like 15 minute long.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, Metallica, don't do this.
Speaker C:Do this to us.
Speaker B:Crowning achievement in their career.
Speaker C:And Lou Reeds.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker C:Put him in the grave.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker B:Well, no, no, he's not in the grave.
Speaker B:He works in supervisors on the floor now.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Him and Carmine.
Speaker B:Carmine, we've gotta.
Speaker C:We've gotta.
Speaker B:He still works here.
Speaker C:He does.
Speaker B:He doesn't get any time off for being dead.
Speaker C:There's gonna be a point where he'll.
Speaker C:He's gonna pop up.
Speaker C:You know him and Carmine.
Speaker B:Well, Carmine shows up every episode.
Speaker C:Carmine's my good friend.
Speaker C:He and I, we've put our past behind us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:We get along swimming.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, you know, he still.
Speaker B:He still thinks Paul Stanley's soul album is like the heaviest album that's ever been recorded.
Speaker C:Nobody's perfect.
Speaker C:You know this Humans are flawed.
Speaker B:He also thinks that song off Revenge Every Time I look at you is probably the ballsiest heavy metal ballad of all time.
Speaker C:You gotta let people have to believe in something.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You gotta let him believe in Paul Stanley.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can almost hear his voice now.
Speaker B:Oh, I don't have a clip for that.
Speaker C:Fair, Fair.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, you guys did name drop Cactus earlier.
Speaker A:Wouldn't that have brought.
Speaker A:Brought him out of the woodwork?
Speaker B:Well, that did bring him out.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:We played Cactus and then he showed.
Speaker C:Up and we complimented him on.
Speaker C:On the.
Speaker C:I think it was the song Evil.
Speaker B:Like that's a. Yeah, that was a good song.
Speaker C:Pretty kick ass.
Speaker B:That was our first time really listening to Cactus, which is.
Speaker B:That's what Nikki Nogicnik brought in.
Speaker B:He brought in some cactus and he forced us to play non obscure metal.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because we try to play obscure a little bit.
Speaker B:Like we're a little less.
Speaker B:Not the big four, but we.
Speaker B:We played Black Sabbath that episode too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker G:Wow.
Speaker C:We like to keep things funky fresh.
Speaker B:Well, we just don't want to get sued.
Speaker B:That's what it boils down to.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:Speaking of funky fresh or have you guys listened to Beck, Bogart and a piece.
Speaker B:Jeff Beck that back or.
Speaker A:Yeah, Jeff Beck, Tim Bogart, Carmine A Piece.
Speaker A:No, it's a record.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a trio.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a super group trio record that they.
Speaker A:Did they do a version of Superstition made famous by Stevie Wonder, actually written for Beck Bogard in a piece.
Speaker B:Oh my God, there it is.
Speaker A:If you want to pull that up.
Speaker A:But yeah, there's a whole.
Speaker A:Yeah, I have it.
Speaker A:I also love the song.
Speaker A:Shit, I forget what it's called.
Speaker A:I think it's I. I gotta be myself with you or something.
Speaker A:I'm looking at the album here.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker B:Black cat moan, lady oh, to love you.
Speaker B:Sweet, sweet surrender.
Speaker B:The sweet surrender.
Speaker B:What's that was Yngwie Malmsteen song.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:My favorite Yngwie song is Adoni Donuts.
Speaker C:Have you never seen that clip?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Someone was saying that's all.
Speaker A:I have that on my trading card.
Speaker D:There we go.
Speaker A:Well, I have.
Speaker A:So on my trading card I have like three facts on the back of it and one of them is once beating Vay Malmsteen in a donut eating contest.
Speaker C:Oh, no, there's a clip somebody was filming where I think he was out and about.
Speaker A:Yeah, Pantera, someone.
Speaker A:I don't eat.
Speaker A:I don't eat donuts.
Speaker C:Don't eat donuts.
Speaker B:You give me ideas for clips to create and we're.
Speaker B:We're so.
Speaker B:I can't remember what podcast it was.
Speaker B:Apparently there's other podcasts outside of ours and they were talking about stars.
Speaker B:Hearing aid stars.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Which we played on this show.
Speaker B:And apparently.
Speaker B:And I never saw this, but apparently the remastering the album and it's gonna get re.
Speaker B:Released.
Speaker A:Yes, I've heard that.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:I have the Japanese CD because I asked for it for Christmas years ago and that was the only version that they had.
Speaker A:But they've been teasing like a re release and remix for years.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I really want to see that happen because it's.
Speaker A:It's such a good song.
Speaker A:One of the.
Speaker A:One of the.
Speaker A:The standouts on the vocals.
Speaker A:That song, in my opinion, Shortino, Paul Shortino.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Because I remember because I didn't know who he was at the time.
Speaker B:I, I, I, I learned who Shortino was after.
Speaker B:Quite right.
Speaker B:3.
Speaker B:That's what I'm like, wait, who's this guy?
Speaker B:And then I started backtracking.
Speaker B:Oh, I do.
Speaker B:Like the Q3 album or QR3.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's the only.
Speaker B:It's the only Quiet Riot album I own.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But during.
Speaker B:In the backstage footage, because there's a whole bunch of backstage footage which apparently is out there, which I haven't watched yet.
Speaker B:And, yeah, I can't remember who it is.
Speaker B:If it's like Jimmy Bain or something, he's like, oh, and this is, this is Ingve Monster.
Speaker B:And he goes, Engvay J. Malmstein corrected him.
Speaker C:And then they.
Speaker B:Because there's a.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:You don't want to get confused with Yngwie M. Malmsteen.
Speaker B:They P. Malmsteen.
Speaker B:I mean, there's a whole bunch of them out there because they had, they had that.
Speaker C:Wait, who did he act?
Speaker C:Who, who said the J?
Speaker C:Oh, because then I remember seeing clip for that.
Speaker C:That song, like, the Weird Stars.
Speaker C:And it's the guys from Spinal Tap, though, like, Yngwie J.
Speaker C:And they said.
Speaker C:Yeah, so you don't mix up with the other Yngwie.
Speaker B:I think they answered.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you're kind of like, wait, Spinal My whole thing?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They were like, this is really.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:A meeting of the legends, honestly.
Speaker B:I mean, it did sound like a Spinal Tap song a little bit.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker F:You know, we can be strong.
Speaker D:We are fire and stone.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I get a point.
Speaker B:Wait, what's the next line?
Speaker A:But certain songs will never change it.
Speaker F:Alone we are calling you.
Speaker B:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:You know, it's really.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Beginning with the start.
Speaker C:I think you guys need to.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker C:Almost need to do it.
Speaker B:And then you see the Nuge.
Speaker D:We are stars.
Speaker B:The nude David's.
Speaker A:David St. Hubbard's.
Speaker B:Yeah, David.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Blackie Lawless was there in the background there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kevin Dubrow in the pink.
Speaker A:The pink jacket.
Speaker B:He got a.
Speaker B:He got a lead vocal in there.
Speaker B:He was one of the guys that got a lead vocal.
Speaker F:Does he.
Speaker A:In the first verse, maybe.
Speaker B:I think it's the first verse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, like, what's the call?
Speaker B:Like, I, I guess it was Ronnie, like, the real Ronnie, not Donnie.
Speaker B:Not to be confused with Donnie James Rio, but Don Ronnie.
Speaker B:James Dio.
Speaker B:He made the call and they're like, yes, sir.
Speaker B:Yes, sir.
Speaker B:It's amazing how much respect he got.
Speaker A:I. I think that's how Paul Sortino gets involved.
Speaker A:Because Ronnie James Dio was producing Rough Cut.
Speaker B:That's like.
Speaker A:Rough Cut was under.
Speaker A:Yeah, Rough Cut was under Dio's tutelage.
Speaker A:Wendy Dio, I think, was managing them.
Speaker A:So they're under that whole umbrella.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they get.
Speaker A:They get brought into it.
Speaker A:And they're kind of one of the underdogs, I guess, of the whole record.
Speaker A:Because everybody else is like super big heavy metal names are, like, a little bit higher.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Queensbrake was not.
Speaker A:What is that, 85?
Speaker B:That was before they were getting.
Speaker B:That was before Operation Mind Crime.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's Rage for Order.
Speaker A:That's like, around that time.
Speaker A:So they hadn't really even, like, broken through yet, really.
Speaker A:They just had that respect.
Speaker A:But the.
Speaker A:You have Blue Oyster Cult and Ted Nugent and some more like established guys there, too.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like a really good mix.
Speaker A:But that's kind of just.
Speaker B:And then Spinal Tap, that was so great.
Speaker B:They were there.
Speaker A:Spinal Tablet, Duke Fame.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm going back to this Beck Bogart.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I don't know why it's making me laugh.
Speaker F:That.
Speaker B:Are you Bogarting a piece of something like.
Speaker B:Beck Go Bogart a piece.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's just something funny in the.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Beck Boger to Peace.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Beck Boger to Peace.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Great record, though.
Speaker A:I. I highly recommend it.
Speaker A:In fact, if you want to play one of these songs, if you want to play that version of Superstition or, I mean, really like anything on here.
Speaker A:Black Cat Moan, Lose.
Speaker A:Lose Myself with you is the one I really like.
Speaker A:But honestly, Superstition, like, that's just a.
Speaker D:Cool.
Speaker A:If you just want to hear, like.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker B:Yeah, we can listen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Originally.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Well, let's listen to.
Speaker B:For a sec here.
Speaker G:Oh.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's a piece all day, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, listen to the.
Speaker B:Gonna turn up a little bit here.
Speaker B:Who's singing?
Speaker A:I believe it's Tim Boger.
Speaker B:I'm not familiar with who Bogart is,.
Speaker A:So he was in.
Speaker A:What was he in?
Speaker A:I want to say he played with Robin Trower for a bit, but I. I could be confusing him.
Speaker A:I gotta look him up.
Speaker C:I gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta look.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I gotta look this up.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:Like, it's funny.
Speaker B:People don't really talk about Carmine much, but, I mean, he's so good on here, but he's so good, period.
Speaker B:He was the best thing on the.
Speaker B:On the Paul Stanley Solo record.
Speaker B:Like when he's playing the drums on there.
Speaker C:It's the red button.
Speaker B:The red button.
Speaker B:Hit the red button, he said.
Speaker D:That was a little bit of.
Speaker B:Who was that?
Speaker D:From Hollywood Squares?
Speaker C:I thought it was just like, what's his name?
Speaker C:Like Rip Taylor or something?
Speaker D:Like, oh, yo, you gotta be,.
Speaker E:You.
Speaker C:Know, like, just kind of like, I don't know, wild guy.
Speaker C:But I mean, I don't know.
Speaker C:There's no transition there.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:That was the worst transition we've ever had on this show.
Speaker C:We've done some bad ones, but that's.
Speaker B:A bad one by far.
Speaker B:Pretty bad.
Speaker E:Oh.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:So how's.
Speaker B:How's things in HR land?
Speaker A:Well, I'm still catching up since my air guitar travels have ceased just for the moment, but things are.
Speaker A:Things are okay.
Speaker A:Things are pretty okay.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The air gets thicker with the weather.
Speaker A:You know, it's that time of year, but, you know, it's going.
Speaker A:It's going.
Speaker A:Okay, that's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, all right, so with the metal lord kind of being a little pissed off with his tapestries and stuff.
Speaker A:Wait, have we started recording again?
Speaker B:Oh, yes, we have.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker G:And.
Speaker A:Oh, no, just because on my screen, I see ended.
Speaker B:Oh, no, I'm recording.
Speaker B:I, I record up on the screen, but I also record separately.
Speaker B:The on the screen is my backup.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Carry on.
Speaker A:My apology.
Speaker B:My wayward son.
Speaker D:You let.
Speaker B:You led me down that road.
Speaker B:You told me you're so we played.
Speaker B:We played the Desmond Child game.
Speaker B:I thought we were still playing.
Speaker A:Well, this isn't that.
Speaker A:I don't think Desmond Child ever wrote for Kansas, though.
Speaker E:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:They probably wouldn't have let him in the front door.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:Once he pro.
Speaker C:I think he.
Speaker C:I think he applied once and they had meetings and talks, but I think it really broke down.
Speaker B:We, We.
Speaker C:I think it.
Speaker C:It's in one of their songs.
Speaker C:Once I rose above the noise and confusion.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, we were talking about the time that they were on.
Speaker B:On Supernatural, but Kansas was on Supernatural, apparently.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what my wife was saying.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, because that's like one of the main songs on the show, I believe.
Speaker A:Oh, is it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I, I, I've never watched.
Speaker A:I have friends who are into it.
Speaker B:You don't go to Supernatural Con?
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:They usually just lump it in with the other comic Cons and just expos?
Speaker A:In the area.
Speaker A:I don't have enough deodorant to cover it.
Speaker B:Well, that is a true statement.
Speaker B:Very much a True statement.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I just came back from one and the first.
Speaker B:The first thing, I came through the door.
Speaker B:Please take a shower because it's on you.
Speaker B:It carries, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker E:All right.
Speaker C:I don't want to.
Speaker C:I. I'm changing the subject for just a second.
Speaker C:I apologize.
Speaker C:I just found out Desmond Child wrote Poison by Alice Cooper.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker D:I didn't know that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He worked on.
Speaker C:It's such an album.
Speaker A:Trash.
Speaker D:Oh, man.
Speaker A:A lot of Desmond Child stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker G:Okay.
Speaker C:I like the song because it's like a cheesy.
Speaker C:It's a good.
Speaker C:I like that song.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I do, too.
Speaker B:I'm going to test.
Speaker B:So this is.
Speaker B:What do they call it?
Speaker B:Trivia.
Speaker F:Trivia.
Speaker B:Trivia.
Speaker B:Trivia time.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a new.
Speaker B:A new skit.
Speaker B:I'm going to play an album he worked on and I am curious if either one of you.
Speaker B:Well, you can see the screen.
Speaker C:I already know the answer.
Speaker C:Is it.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker F:I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna play the song.
Speaker B:So Desmond Child all over this album.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I got a bunch of money, so I'm gonna pay Desmond to come and write on this album with me here because the first album didn't really sell very.
Speaker B:Going to bring Desmond on for album number two.
Speaker B:So I'm going to play a song.
Speaker C:I can cover my eyes, the next one because I have an extra shirt.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is totally.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I'm going to play this Desmond Child penned song.
Speaker B:I'm curious.
Speaker B:Gl.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker D:Not.
Speaker B:Hal Jordan, Georgia Lunch.
Speaker B:If you can identify who the artist is.
Speaker E:Are you.
Speaker A:I'll see if I can.
Speaker B:Are you ready?
Speaker B:Oh, wait.
Speaker B:I got to make sure we're sharing a screen.
Speaker B:Are we actually sharing a screen here?
Speaker B:No, we're not.
Speaker A:I don't see your screen.
Speaker A:But that's probably a good thing, right?
Speaker A:If I'm just going by.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So listening.
Speaker B:Close your eyes.
Speaker C:I'm closing my eyes.
Speaker C:I'm doing this.
Speaker B:And I'm going to switch the view.
Speaker B:Okay, we're good.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You ready?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I warn you, you may need you.
Speaker B:If you're lactose intolerant, you might have a problem.
Speaker C:You may go.
Speaker F:You.
Speaker B:You may get backed up.
Speaker B:I. I don't know.
Speaker B:But here we go.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:This is God awful.
Speaker B:Street people passing me by they look.
Speaker G:Me up and down but they don't look me in the eye I'm just another stranger in my own hometown Looking for an angel but heaven can't be found I say, hey, Pail over tonight hey, hey, hey I'm gonna make it through but that don't make it right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:It was obviously a big hit.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I. I don't.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker C:And it's not Elton John, Correct?
Speaker B:No, not Elton John.
Speaker C:Then I have to guess.
Speaker B:Okay, so if you.
Speaker B:If you didn't recognize that.
Speaker B:I'm good.
Speaker A:I feel like I've heard the voice.
Speaker A:I have to know the voice.
Speaker A:I just don't like.
Speaker C:Is it Def Leppard?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It sure sounds Def Leppardy.
Speaker D:Hey.
Speaker A:And no, it sounds.
Speaker A:It sounds almost Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker A:But like fourth rate Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:Not as strong of a bowl at the time.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:That's a strong statement.
Speaker A:You know, speaking of which, I. I gotta pen this for later.
Speaker A:Have you ever heard of Jody Bon Jovi?
Speaker A:Not Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:Bon Jovi.
Speaker B:Which is real.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Real name.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So obviously his uncle or cousin.
Speaker A:I think his uncle Tony.
Speaker A:Tony Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:Also related to.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:He had a cousin named Jodi Bon Jovi who wanted to put out a record and they said okay.
Speaker A:And they did.
Speaker A:And it's not good.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's kind of bad.
Speaker A:But she has a cover of Jefferson Airplane and Somebody to Love on there that might have been like.
Speaker B:We may have to actually play that.
Speaker A:You have to.
Speaker A:You have to actually play it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:I mean, the album is forgettable if.
Speaker A:If you're lucky.
Speaker B:If you're lucky.
Speaker C:On the Bon Jovi ranking, where does Jodi Bon Jovi rank between, like, Jon Bon Jovi and the John and the Bon Jovi cover band?
Speaker C:John Bovey.
Speaker C:Like, where does she.
Speaker C:Where does she stand?
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:The ranking is Jon Bon Jovi 1, Tony Bongiovi, 2.
Speaker A:John Bovey 3.
Speaker A:Uncle Jody Bon Jovi Uncle.
Speaker B:Uncle Clive probably gets in there too.
Speaker A:Uncle Clive, Clive, the Jovi Davis and.
Speaker A:And Jody Bonciovi.
Speaker B:He kind of sounds like this.
Speaker D:I'm Uncle Clyde.
Speaker D:We're gonna have a pull down in the hold down.
Speaker D:If What I'm saying.
Speaker C:He sounds kind of like car.
Speaker B:Sounds like car.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Uncle Car.
Speaker C:Why did.
Speaker A:Why did this also remind me of Danny Aiello's daddy?
Speaker A:Just what is it?
Speaker A:Papa just wants the best for you.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the response record to Papa.
Speaker B:It's like a diss track.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker D:You wrote that song.
Speaker D:I will play you a song.
Speaker F:Were you?
Speaker A:Well, I think you're giving your papa a little too much of A hard time.
Speaker B:It almost felt like Captain Lou Albano there.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is.
Speaker B:This is a song you might know from.
Speaker B:From this artist.
Speaker B:So this is from the first album.
Speaker B:And Once upon a time, when I was a young lad, every year, I'd watch much music.
Speaker B:I'd watch mtv.
Speaker B:I'd watch Headbangers Ball.
Speaker B:I'd watch the Pepsi Power Hour here in Canada.
Speaker E:Watch.
Speaker B:And I would rank my favorite hair metal songs every single year from 1 to 100 every year.
Speaker B:I made a list.
Speaker B:I have a list somewhere.
Speaker B:This other song by the same artist that you haven't identified yet.
Speaker B: me out, which would have been: Speaker B: My favorite song of: Speaker B:I can see those wheels turning.
Speaker B:Okay, you ready?
Speaker B:I know you know this song when.
Speaker A:You hear I have to.
Speaker C:I'm not wearing the shirt anymore because it's.
Speaker C:It didn't work.
Speaker C:It look.
Speaker C:Made me look dumb.
Speaker B:And I realized I liked when you did the.
Speaker B:The Jordi La Forge there.
Speaker B:That was pretty good.
Speaker B:I did like that.
Speaker C:To me.
Speaker C:My X Men.
Speaker C:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker C:Yeah, that made me look better, but I wasn't.
Speaker C:I didn't know who this guy is, so I wasn't gonna get it anyway.
Speaker B:Okay, so here.
Speaker B:Here's the other.
Speaker B:Here's the.
Speaker B:The hit from the previous album.
Speaker D:Cut from Silk.
Speaker E:The thr.
Speaker E:Pretty little woman.
Speaker E:Would you mind stepping into the light?
Speaker E:You look so hot.
Speaker E:I got to get this.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:Obviously my taste in music.
Speaker F:I know the voice.
Speaker C:I mean, just based on the album art.
Speaker C:He's pretty.
Speaker C:He's a beefcake, this guy.
Speaker D:What's going on?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Does that Robert.
Speaker D:Yes, ma'.
Speaker D:Am.
Speaker F:Ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker D:You got it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm not super familiar with his.
Speaker A:His, like, music.
Speaker A:I've maybe heard or seen a video or two in my life.
Speaker B:Like with the machine gun guitar.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, the dude's a.
Speaker A:The dude's like a bodybuilder guy.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:You know, he played with Alice Cooper.
Speaker B:At the same time as Kiplinger and Mark Horrors.
Speaker B:Which was Mark.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:The rhythm guitar player in Winger was also in that lineup.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Mark Paul Taylor.
Speaker B:Taylor.
Speaker B:He was also called Mark Horrors, I believe, when he was in Alice.
Speaker C:Oh, Horrors.
Speaker B:Horrors.
Speaker E:Okay.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I was worried.
Speaker C:I didn't hear that.
Speaker C:There was a bit of a lazy O.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:I. I. Yeah, his voice is kind of strained.
Speaker A:That's him singing Right.
Speaker B:That's him singing.
Speaker F:He.
Speaker B:He didn't have.
Speaker B:So I. I followed him, because when Rock Doll came out, the video, I. I strongly suggest you watch the Rock Doll video.
Speaker B:It is preposterous in every way, shape, and form.
Speaker B:I thought I was watching, like, a Cinderella video with the two evil stepsisters.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, Cinderella videos.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It had probably the same director.
Speaker B:I mean, Kane Roberts ended up with a lot of money somehow.
Speaker B:So this album didn't do well.
Speaker B:This song got some play.
Speaker B:I liked it because it was absolutely preposterous.
Speaker B:I mean, I also like Spit Off Revenge.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:Don't even get me started how much I love that song.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:Do you.
Speaker A:Shaped me as a per.
Speaker A:It shaped me as a person.
Speaker B:I was on.
Speaker B:I was on.
Speaker B:And the podcast will rock.
Speaker B:What they do is they spin a wheel.
Speaker B:You may have heard of that concept before.
Speaker B:I don't know of any show that's ever had a wheel on it, but they spin a wheel.
Speaker B:And what they.
Speaker B:They used to spin the entire Van Halen catalog, and then they got through the whole catalog.
Speaker B:So then what they did.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The patrons on Patreon voted for the next six albums they were going to cover.
Speaker B:So there was a bracket thing, and they ended up having, like, 50 albums, and they whittled it down to six.
Speaker B:So now they spin songs off of six albums, and one of those albums is Kiss Revenge.
Speaker B:So I told them, look, I'm.
Speaker B:Well, not me, but that seat geek guy.
Speaker B:Sorry, I lost continuity again.
Speaker B:Seatgeek was on that show and demanded that they play Spit.
Speaker B:And they listened to it, and he giggled the whole episode.
Speaker B:That shot Seatgeek guy just.
Speaker B:He loved it, and he's like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:He loves it.
Speaker B:Loves it, loves it.
Speaker B:They all made fun of him.
Speaker B:In fact, on the dis.
Speaker B:On the dit Chord server that they're all part of, they all mocked seatgeek, which he needs to be mocked, that guy, because, you know, he's AI.
Speaker C:And is it even real beard he has?
Speaker C:I don't think so.
Speaker B:I don't think it's real.
Speaker F:But whoever.
Speaker A:Whoever he was training on definitely had a great insight on the classic songs.
Speaker E:Spin.
Speaker A:I listen.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:It is no secret that Georgia Lunch is a lifelong fat girl.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:That song shaped me as a person.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker B:It's like a better version of Pound Cake.
Speaker F:Okay.
Speaker F:Wow.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know What?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So Mr. Rory has no idea what the hell we're talking about, so I think we should.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Okay, I think we play a second of it just to give it more air time.
Speaker C:I want to hear it.
Speaker A:I saw.
Speaker A:I saw Gene Simmons's solo band perform this song.
Speaker A:Did before.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:He played this song live, and I lost my mind.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker D:Holy.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:It was up there with, like.
Speaker A:When I was on the Kiss Cruise and Bruce Kulik's band would play, they played a medley of stuff off of Carnival of Souls.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was like, yeah, that.
Speaker A:It was, like orgasmic.
Speaker A:It was just like.
Speaker A:Like to the upper echelon of my brain exploding.
Speaker A:It was so good.
Speaker B:You and I should do a duet.
Speaker B:One of us should be Paul.
Speaker B:One of us should be Gene.
Speaker C:Can I be Ringo?
Speaker F:You can be Ringo, because what you are is Hilary.
Speaker D:I need some.
Speaker B:Okay, we gotta play.
Speaker B:Let's play it.
Speaker B:Let's play it.
Speaker F:Yes.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker D:I'm ready.
Speaker B:And I would like us all to give a salute to and the podcast will rock for dissing this song.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:We're gonna do a proper salute.
Speaker B:They dissed a song.
Speaker B:Every single person hated the song.
Speaker B:So I think we need to provide a.
Speaker C:Another.
Speaker B:We need a cold beverage.
Speaker C:Need a cold beverage.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker D:Oh, the juicy.
Speaker C:Sorry, that was.
Speaker C:That just kind of escaped.
Speaker B:We haven't played Juicy Fruit on the show in a while.
Speaker B:Anyway, so let's all give the middle finger salute to end the podcast will rock for besmirching one of the greatest songs.
Speaker E:All right.
Speaker B:In history.
Speaker B:Are we all ready for the Middle Finger?
Speaker C:Ready.
Speaker C:Take that, scene geek.
Speaker C:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker C:What are we doing?
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I'm ready,.
Speaker D:If you know what I mean what do people say?
Speaker D:Well, Mr. Crow, can't you see it don't mean it's fit to me.
Speaker E:A.
Speaker F:Man out of me.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker E:To ride.
Speaker A:What you want, what you.
Speaker E:Eat.
Speaker B:Comes down here.
Speaker D:Down on all fours.
Speaker F:After.
Speaker B:Favorite guitar solo,.
Speaker E:Sarah's song been all my life.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker A:Yes, I do.
Speaker B:Meatless girls don't satisfy.
Speaker F:That's right.
Speaker F:That's right.
Speaker D:Take it, bruce.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker E:What?
Speaker D:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:Okay, so what year did that song come out?
Speaker A:91.
Speaker C:91.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:92.
Speaker B:Kiss revenge.
Speaker A:Oh, 92.
Speaker A:My bad.
Speaker C:Okay, that's because I'm not much of a. I'm not a KISS aficionado, but what'd you think?
Speaker C:I thought that was awesome.
Speaker D:I was like.
Speaker C:I really like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, it's such a good song.
Speaker C:I'm not American but when they had the anthem there, I was like, a bit like.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, salute.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:No, that was.
Speaker C:That was just kind of like, good.
Speaker C:Just rock and roll, baby.
Speaker B:You know, Seatgeek might be a bit of a nerd.
Speaker B:Not a cool guy, but you know what?
Speaker B:He did like this song, so I'll give him props for that one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:So give him.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It is a banger.
Speaker C:It is, yeah.
Speaker D:So good.
Speaker C:That was a.
Speaker C:That was a nice song.
Speaker B:And that's Gene and Paula vocals together again.
Speaker B:When's the last time they did that?
Speaker B:Like, 70s.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's a long time.
Speaker C:It's a long time.
Speaker B:That's my favorite.
Speaker B:Easily my favorite track on that album.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:That is possibly my favorite non.
Speaker A:Makeup Kiss album.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I. I listen to it regularly still.
Speaker A:I mean, that was also a big album.
Speaker A:In my childhood.
Speaker A:It was because I'm.
Speaker A:I was born in 91, so I was raised on Kiss, like, from the womb, if you couldn't tell.
Speaker A:Kiss is a big part of my personality.
Speaker B:I thought the makeup was King diamond related.
Speaker B:I wasn't sure.
Speaker A:Oh, I mean, close.
Speaker B:King diamond or Gene Simmons?
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:I feel like King Diamond's been active since the Middle Ages.
Speaker C:We just.
Speaker C:He was some kind of satanic priest.
Speaker C: mean, Abigail was from, what,: Speaker G:He's pretty.
Speaker B:He's been.
Speaker A:That's tricky.
Speaker C:So, I mean, he's been around for a couple Hundred years.
Speaker A:77.
Speaker A:77.
Speaker A:So 76 then.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:That even predates Arthur Brown and Screaming Jay Hawkins.
Speaker D:So I think.
Speaker B:I think King diamond should have sued Gene Simmons over the makeup, not the other way around.
Speaker A:It does make more sense.
Speaker B:Does make more sense.
Speaker A:But anyhow, so I grew up with Hot in the Shade is like the first.
Speaker A:The lit.
Speaker A:The, like, most recent album when I was born.
Speaker A:But then Revenge came out.
Speaker A:So those were like the two albums that I really grew up on from that era.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which are wild.
Speaker A:Two wildly, like, different ends of that spectrum.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Yeah, because Hot in the Shade, you have like 16 songs.
Speaker A:Just like, it's such a long album.
Speaker A:There's some filler.
Speaker A:But, like.
Speaker A:Because you know those albums that, like, if you.
Speaker A:If you listen to it just based on your own nostalgia, they're, like, perfect.
Speaker A:But if you listen to it with, like, other people, they're like, dude, like, Boomerang is terrible.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:And you're somehow in your.
Speaker A:Like, for years, in my mind, it was like, no, Boomerang is like five songs in one.
Speaker A:It's actually economic.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like, I love Boomerang.
Speaker C:It's the greatest deal you're ever gonna get, right?
Speaker B:Yes and no, no, no.
Speaker B:The only.
Speaker D:My.
Speaker B:The only.
Speaker B:My favorite song on Crazy Nights.
Speaker D:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Not Bang Bang.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:I'm not a Paul guy.
Speaker B:Paul does good stuff.
Speaker B:But I find Paul works best when Gene writes good songs.
Speaker B:Paul's like, shit, I gotta put some effort in here.
Speaker B:And it's funny.
Speaker B:So here's my theory on Kiss is.
Speaker B:And bear with me here, because I'm a nerd.
Speaker B:But when I was.
Speaker B:I'm older than you, so I grew up through kiss in the 70s.
Speaker B:My first kiss album that I heard was Alive too.
Speaker B:And when they came out, and I'm a comic nerd, completely complete comic nerd.
Speaker B:And my brother's listening to Rush, and he's listening to, you know, a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker B:And, like, I don't understand.
Speaker B:The music was too complicated for my young brain.
Speaker B:Couldn't understand any of that stuff.
Speaker B:But then I see Kiss and I see the visual of the album, and I see the makeup, and I'm like, oh, they're like superheroes.
Speaker B:And it was my gateway to music because it was approachable.
Speaker B:The way it was all laid out, it was nice, and I could jump in.
Speaker B:So I really, really liked them.
Speaker B:So what I.
Speaker B:What I found was Gene was the.
Speaker B:The one that brought you in, if you grew up on Dracula and Frankenstein and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker B:Gene was a monster.
Speaker B:A monster with human emotions.
Speaker B:And all his songs as a kid, which I didn't realize were dirty as a kid, I didn't know what any of that stuff meant.
Speaker B:Like, Christine 16.
Speaker B:I thought, well, you know, he sacrifices virgins to the devil or whatever.
Speaker B:That's all that.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:I didn't realize what it was really about, but all of his songs, I thought, you know, almost human plaster caster.
Speaker B:I thought it was like some, like, gun or something.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't know what it was, so I didn't understand those songs.
Speaker B:But for a kid who grew up in comic books, he was the draw and the character was interested.
Speaker B:He's got the bat wings, breathing fire, all this sort of stuff.
Speaker B:And then Paul just pouted.
Speaker B:That's Paul's superpower was pouting.
Speaker C:Paul.
Speaker C:Wasn't Paul the hot one?
Speaker C:He had the shirt off and.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But it's like, wow.
Speaker B:So as a kid growing up, I'm like, wow, that's really lazy.
Speaker B:Makeup.
Speaker B:Like, you only did one eye.
Speaker B:Like, what did you get tired as you're putting.
Speaker B:So I. I never liked Paul because I felt like he was half assing it as a kid.
Speaker F:As a kid.
Speaker B:That's how I.
Speaker B:How I believe so as Gene was and Gene was the face.
Speaker B:If you see Kiss on the COVID of magazine and they're only going to show one of the four, it's.
Speaker B:It was always Gene.
Speaker B:It was always Gene.
Speaker B:Gene was Kiss, Kiss was Gene.
Speaker B:And in art, in newspaper articles, lead singer Gene Simmons, it was always Gene Simmons.
Speaker B:And then in the 80s, when Gene's output was maybe not quite as good, Paul was the front man and he just played the same role.
Speaker B:He didn't transition to a new role, but Gene had to transition to some other role.
Speaker B:So I felt that, you know, Gene slacked off, but then so did Paul.
Speaker B:I don't think like, I do like the 80s music, but I feel that when Gene puts in an effort.
Speaker B:Creatures of the Night.
Speaker B:Gene was fully committed on that album.
Speaker B:And Paul had to work twice as hard.
Speaker B:And his songs are better on that album.
Speaker B:Revenge, same thing.
Speaker B:Paul had to work twice as hard because Gene's songs were so good, so strong.
Speaker B:And I always felt in songwriting, Gene will just come up with stuff.
Speaker B:Paul has to work at it.
Speaker B:That's how, like.
Speaker B:And I think Paul had resentment towards Gene.
Speaker B:It's like, wow, you sat down for five minutes and wrote Deuce.
Speaker B:Like that took you five minutes to write.
Speaker B:I just spent two weeks working on Shredder.
Speaker B:You know, like, I think that was kind of the dynamic.
Speaker B:That's how I felt anyway.
Speaker B:I don't know what's your.
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker A:It's interesting.
Speaker A:I feel that's a.
Speaker F:It's.
Speaker A:That's a very interesting perspective because, as we know, like, again, like you said, Gene's kind of slacking off comparatively, because he's kind of getting into acting.
Speaker A:He's exploring these other avenues.
Speaker A:And the thing is that Paul didn't have to change who he was, really.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's the thing.
Speaker B:Smooth transition.
Speaker A:It was such a smooth transition because you have the onset of mtv, you have more of a reliance on the visual aspect of what the members look like.
Speaker A:The sexual.
Speaker A:The outright sexualization in music videos of the members of your band.
Speaker A:That's why, like, they have to survive during the period of hair metal, because that's kind of the more popular route.
Speaker A:That's sort of closer to where they feel comfortable in their songwriting.
Speaker A:That can transition to the 80s.
Speaker A:But Paul is a very typically, like a stereotypically attractive man.
Speaker A:Like, he is the baby face.
Speaker A:He is like the very handsome guy that looks great out of makeup.
Speaker A:Gene Simmons is not like typically attractive.
Speaker A:No, the way that Paul Stanley is just this naturally like good looking guy in the way that like in the 90s, Brad Pitt, you know, pull off a body glove.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Like, Paul had his abs and his chiseled features of his face.
Speaker A:And like he was just kind of perfectly created.
Speaker B:He was like Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:Yes, he was.
Speaker A:He was proto Jon Bon Jovi.
Speaker A:And so I.
Speaker A:It just is a very interesting perspective on.
Speaker A:I've always viewed it as like Paul had to pick up a lot of the slack because Gene wasn't around in the songwriting and like PR sense.
Speaker A:But also I don't think they would have even skirted by as well as they did in the 80s, some of their output there in the middle.
Speaker A:Like you can kind of debate it's not as strong as like what came before and revenge after.
Speaker A:But Paul still had a lot to do as far as pr.
Speaker A:Like, he also then was the natural face of the band.
Speaker B:It made sense.
Speaker A:Who else was going to be.
Speaker A:It made sense at that point.
Speaker A:It's just Gene and Paul.
Speaker A:Gene is not that he's not going to have that same charismatic role.
Speaker A:You know, the way that Paul can attract, like being a ladies man, he can pull off what later becomes like that John Bon Jovi, Bret Michaels, like he's in that heartthrob category.
Speaker A:You could see him at Tiger Beat magazine 10 years early, right?
Speaker A:Like you can see him in a teen magazine.
Speaker A:You can see him as the crush, like who you're crushing on.
Speaker A:Weird.
Speaker A:Because I am a Gene girl.
Speaker A:Like my father was much like you.
Speaker A:Not to make you.
Speaker A:Not to make you feel a certain way about your age.
Speaker A:But my father was turned on to Kiss through Destroyer when he was a kid.
Speaker A:And my.
Speaker A:My uncle, his older brother bought it and turned him onto it.
Speaker A:He looks at the COVID and he's like, what the hell is this?
Speaker A:And he listens to, you know, Detroit Rock City and his mind is blown.
Speaker A:He hears God of Thunder and he's like, this is what I'm gonna listen to the rest of my life.
Speaker A:Like, this is my calling.
Speaker A:But he always was drawn to Gene.
Speaker A:But he also.
Speaker A:My dad is also a very big movie buff.
Speaker A:Like he's really into films and movies and stuff.
Speaker A:And like growing up, he was also really into the villains of movies.
Speaker A:So my dad loves the monster movies.
Speaker A:He loves like the classic monster movies, but also just any kind of horror movies and different monsters.
Speaker A:Of all the Eras.
Speaker A:And he was really into like Star wars and loves Darth Vader.
Speaker A:Like, he loves the character, the evil the.
Speaker A:In pro wrestling.
Speaker A:Like, he really enjoys a good heel.
Speaker A:So I take on a lot of that too in my.
Speaker A:Which Paul doesn't.
Speaker B:Paul doesn't fit that at all.
Speaker B:But Gene.
Speaker A:Paul doesn't.
Speaker B:Yeah, Gene was a big nerd.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Comic nerd.
Speaker B:A horror movie.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker D:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:I mean, and you can go further into like how he develops those interests and how like he even cover where he covers when youn Wish Upon a Star on his.
Speaker A:On his 70s solo album.
Speaker A:And you know, because like Disney represents this such such an important thing to an immigrant child who was learning English.
Speaker A:Like, you know, there's a lot to how he finds himself in media from like the.
Speaker A:The I love you symbol and like how he's getting that from comics.
Speaker A:So he's getting.
Speaker A:He's as inspired from comics and media and cartoons and all that kind of Dr.
Speaker B:Strange was the.
Speaker B:Was the.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I think there's a lot of parallels there.
Speaker A:And just as how comics and superheroes and that kind of like science fiction edge could draw people in in the 70s with the onset of MTV and the music video and Kiss having to adjust with the time being the heartthrob and the.
Speaker A:The teen.
Speaker A:The teen Tiger beat, like Good Looking Guy is what had to pull them through in the 80s.
Speaker A:But then when you get to the 90s, that's where they have to join their powers and meet in the middle.
Speaker A:Because then you're getting the onset of heavier music.
Speaker A:You're getting some of the grunge or some of the bands even.
Speaker A:It's not just a grunge thing, but like even hair metal was starting to kind of experiment more with like funk elements.
Speaker A:So you have like Extreme Mind Funk, White White Trash, like all these kind of bands that are slick, toxic, that are a skid row.
Speaker A:Like, everybody's kind of injecting heavier funkier elements into even their pop rock and hair metal.
Speaker A:So that's where they have to meet in the middle and finally like join their powers again.
Speaker A:Just as I feel that Creatures of the Night is also a good even structure, like it's an even balance of their powers too, song wise, because you have like.
Speaker A:I mean, visually and sonically you have some of those darker moments, but you also have the pop like, structure and also the classic moment that I call Jizz wizard.
Speaker A:Paul Stanley on Keep Me Coming, where he's just going, coming, coming, coming.
Speaker F:Keep Me Coming back.
Speaker A:He's just doing this and.
Speaker F:Ah.
Speaker F:Coming.
Speaker A:Sir, you could.
Speaker A:Sir.
Speaker A:This is a Wendy's.
Speaker A:It's like that, you know, that's the, That's what I call jizz wizard.
Speaker A:Paul Stanley at the end to keep him coming.
Speaker A:That's my night paralysis demon.
Speaker A:Like my sleep paralysis demon, Paul Stanley, when he come in.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:So, So I, I think I like what you're saying where.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker D:That was a lot.
Speaker A:I know there was a lot of nothing, but.
Speaker B:No, no, it's a lot of everything.
Speaker B:But when they meet in the middle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is when Kiss is at its, its strongest and, and Gene is, is the demon.
Speaker D:He's the.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, he's the monster.
Speaker B:And, and I don't know.
Speaker B:I, I.
Speaker A:My favorite, my favorite era of his looks out of makeup is also Revenge, where he was final, basically being a biker, like a leather biker guy.
Speaker A:That's his.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Oh, I love it.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Even Eric Singer looked cool on that album.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Is that the guy who keeps teasing some solo thing.
Speaker C:Who's the guy from.
Speaker C:Is he from Kiss?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:He was.
Speaker C:He was on like one album and he's some.
Speaker C:He's gone.
Speaker B:He's Vinnie Vincent.
Speaker C:I'm gonna sell you some record I'm working on for 10 years for like 100, 200 bucks.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:200 Bucks a song or whatever it was.
Speaker A:It was like, it was like a million dollar album.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker B:He says, you know what?
Speaker B:If no one's gonna pay 200 a song, I'm gonna sell the, the album for a million bucks or whatever.
Speaker B:And you can have the masters, but you can't really have them.
Speaker B:I still control them.
Speaker A:Oh, poor Rory.
Speaker A:You're not, you said you're not like super familiar on Kiss, right?
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm sort of still growing in that actually, because I'm, I've with, with doing this, like, I get a lot of like, you know, oh, this band you might have heard, like me and Mr. Mr. Noman, they're like, since listening to songs, he's putting like the amount of times I've listened to Castle Rat, I was like, I was.
Speaker C:No, I had never heard of the band.
Speaker C:And I was like, this is like, this is, this is my, my jam that like 70s do me.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Kiss was, was never like a big part of like, my growing up.
Speaker C:Like, it was.
Speaker C:You heard all the songs on the radio.
Speaker C:Like, that's fair.
Speaker C:And like, like, you know, just I, I listened when I started My journey.
Speaker C:Listen to, like, Destroyer.
Speaker C:I mean, I do like Love Gun.
Speaker C:I mean, Love Gun is my favorite Kiss song still.
Speaker C:That's my favorite song of theirs because the gun is, in fact, his penis.
Speaker C:And that's just.
Speaker A:I was gonna say.
Speaker A:I was gonna say.
Speaker A:Mr. Klaycher, do you have the audio for Get It, Ronnie?
Speaker A:His dick is the gun.
Speaker B:No, I don't have that.
Speaker D:I really.
Speaker A:I made.
Speaker A:I made a gif of that a long time ago that I sometimes put post.
Speaker A:Or sometimes I edit it into different versions.
Speaker A:So if it's like, man, what was the.
Speaker A:There was, like, a WASP song where it was.
Speaker A:Where I just put, like, black.
Speaker A:I just, like, pasted Blackulis's hair on him and said it's.
Speaker A:Get it, Ronnie.
Speaker A:His.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:It was like his.
Speaker A:I forget what it was.
Speaker D:His love.
Speaker A:It was like his love machine is the gun.
Speaker A:It was something like that.
Speaker A:Or like his.
Speaker A:His cheetah is the gun or whatever.
Speaker A:It was like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Or his.
Speaker A:His.
Speaker A:His penis is the cheetah.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Some version of that.
Speaker A:But sometimes I.
Speaker C:Sometimes I'm still getting recommendations from him.
Speaker C:And, like, I also work with a guy who's you.
Speaker C:Yeah, see, I almost broke character there.
Speaker C:Not today, Satan.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:And yeah, I've been, you know, recommend.
Speaker C:And like, there's so.
Speaker C:There's such a catalog that I haven't heard.
Speaker C:Like, I'm actually very glad I heard this spit.
Speaker C:Because it was like, that's just.
Speaker C:That's like.
Speaker C:I would like.
Speaker C:That's a great song.
Speaker C:Like, if I heard that at a certain, like, time in.
Speaker C:In my.
Speaker C:In my youth, I would have probably been like.
Speaker C:I would be like, hold up, hold up.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're sleeping on this.
Speaker C:Because, like, for, like, I listened to.
Speaker C:I got a lot of influence from my parents, so it was like seven sixties seventies, know.
Speaker C:You heard, like, the.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:For me, like, the big rock band that I think set the stage for me was like, is the Ace.
Speaker C:I'm an ACDC guy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:Big.
Speaker C:Once I was like a child and I got hold of.
Speaker C:It was actually Back in Black that I was like, like, oh, something different about this.
Speaker C:And then I jumped into.
Speaker C:I bought or I got my mom's like, oh, here's like, one of these rock records you want.
Speaker C:It was Powerslave.
Speaker D:And that.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was the end for me.
Speaker C:Me, I was like.
Speaker C:I was like.
Speaker C:I was like, I think I've heard this band before.
Speaker C:And then I was like, hold the phone.
Speaker C:What is this?
Speaker C:Like, I was just like, oh, this is crazy.
Speaker C:But Kiss is still.
Speaker C:It's still a journey I'm doing.
Speaker B:But yeah, there's good and there's bad for sure.
Speaker C:I. I do like with that much.
Speaker C:That big of a catalog is going to be, you know, you're going to find the good and they're going to find the.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker B:My favorite Kiss song is a song that no one seems to know.
Speaker B:What's your favorite?
Speaker A:Time Traveler.
Speaker A:No, I'm kidding.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:I will point it out to the first three albums.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I. I mean, Dress to Kill is like my favorite makeup Kiss album.
Speaker A:I think I have it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:You're okay.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:You're warm.
Speaker B:You're very.
Speaker A:I have it on my wall.
Speaker A:One of my favorites.
Speaker A:It's tied on that album between she and Lover.
Speaker A:All I Can.
Speaker A:Oh, those are like two of my favorites on that album.
Speaker A:Is it one of those or something different?
Speaker A:Getaway, Getaway.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Ace Freely song with a Peter Chris vocal.
Speaker A:Peter.
Speaker A:I gotta get away get away I don't know.
Speaker D:Leave this old town I've tried to.
Speaker B:Say See my way to see my.
Speaker A:Way See my way so I won't be found.
Speaker B:I love that song.
Speaker B:I. I used to play that.
Speaker A:It's a great song.
Speaker B:That was one of the first songs I learned how to play on drums was that.
Speaker B:And love her.
Speaker B:All I can with the two.
Speaker A:Oh, lover, All I can't.
Speaker A:Such a, like, groovy beat.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I. Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I. I love.
Speaker A:I live and die for that song.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like we need to do a Kiss podcast.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Like there aren't a million of those already.
Speaker B:No, there's.
Speaker B:No one's done a Kiss podcast yet.
Speaker B:So, you know, that's why I've never done.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker E:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's about time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I actually, I do have that album signed by all four original members.
Speaker C:Oh, there you go.
Speaker B:Wait, when did you get a Peter signature?
Speaker C:In his sleep.
Speaker A:I got the Peter signature at a Kiss expo in New Jersey.
Speaker A:I want to say maybe like a decade ago.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I got.
Speaker A:I got Aces when he released Anomaly and I got Gene and Paul when they released the first Kissology dvd.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker A:So these were all signings, but I've.
Speaker A:I've met.
Speaker A:I've met all of them multiple times.
Speaker D:Bruce.
Speaker B:Did you meet Bruce?
Speaker A:I've met Bruce and Bob and I have both of them signed Michael Bolton's Blackjack.
Speaker A:Not Blackjack, but they both played on his self titled solo record.
Speaker A:And I have that signed by both of them.
Speaker A:I also have a copy of Bob Kulik signed a Blackthorn cd.
Speaker A:Do you remember his band Blackthorn with Grandpa on it?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have him.
Speaker A:He signed that for me, too.
Speaker A:And also I think I have a Balance CD that I got from him at another expo that he signed Bruce Kulik.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker B:The only KISS convention that ever happened to Winnipeg.
Speaker B:Bruce Kulik was there and he played and he was backed up by.
Speaker B:The person who organized the convention was.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, forgetting the name now.
Speaker C:Hold on, hold on.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Todd Kearns, but the other guy.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Brett Finns.
Speaker D:Brett.
Speaker A:Brett.
Speaker C:Desmond Child.
Speaker B:Brent Fitz is actually from Winnipeg.
Speaker B:And when I used to.
Speaker B:When I used to.
Speaker B:During my club days when I was that age, he was in like 10 bands and I used to.
Speaker B:I. I've seen him play so many times doing Black Crows covers and Guess who covers and.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, we're supposed to.
Speaker B:On Burton.
Speaker C:I was actually about to.
Speaker C:I was about to say, you seem to have something, like, really something I was really cooking.
Speaker A:I was gonna say really quick because I just saw Triumph and April Wine on Friday.
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker A:They came through my town.
Speaker A:So I just saw that show.
Speaker A:And guess who is in Triumph.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker A:They're in.
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're in Bruce Kilik's band, too.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Excellent.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're both amazing.
Speaker A:I think was also in Jean's band.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In jeans.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:With John Krabby, who I actually also saw recently open for Tom Keefer.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Because the guys from the Cinderella podcast, they just saw that double villain Wisconsin.
Speaker A:Wait, there's a Cinderella podcast?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker F:Is.
Speaker A:Is this a bit or are you.
Speaker B:No, this is not a bit.
Speaker B:And in fact, I. I did the theme songs for all three hosts in the show.
Speaker A:I legitimately.
Speaker A:Cinderella is like my favorite band of all time.
Speaker B:Do we need to play the clip?
Speaker B:Do we need to play the clip?
Speaker C:I think you need to play the clip.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, here's.
Speaker B:Here's.
Speaker B:So there's three hosts on the show.
Speaker B:There's Dwayne, there's Dan, there's Corey.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And as a joke, I. I did a. I did a theme song for Dwayne because, like, Dwayne's got a segment.
Speaker B:So I did a themes.
Speaker B:A little short theme song for.
Speaker B:For Dwayne.
Speaker B:Well, I'll.
Speaker B:Okay, I'll just play it this.
Speaker B:So this is the theme song for.
Speaker B:For Dwayne's segment of the show.
Speaker B:I think this is the full version, too.
Speaker D:Dwayne was a Young man carrying over his shoulder a large round of Will B Bringing people their lanterns Made his money living lantern got himself a nice vacation working for more sa Shooting for the fan says let a bag is here feeling pretty full.
Speaker D:Pull back the drawstring, pour it on the flower, the wings, me obey.
Speaker D:That's a job reading the mail.
Speaker D:Dwayne's me.
Speaker B:All right, so that's Dwayne's theme song.
Speaker B:That's so I, I, I, I've never been able to pull off a kefir, obviously.
Speaker B:So I'm like, I, I, I kind of.
Speaker B:No, I, I didn't see.
Speaker B:This is seat geek singing.
Speaker B:So anyway, so I'm like.
Speaker B:So he's like, you got, you got.
Speaker B:You got to come up with one for Dan.
Speaker B:I'm like, can I do.
Speaker B:Can I pull a key for or not?
Speaker B:Can I pull a key for not?
Speaker B:Because I.
Speaker B:That's not a key for.
Speaker B:That's just like a rough vocal I did.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:It's just more like a harsh sounding.
Speaker B:So then I did one called Dan's News because Dan, Danny Pabst has his.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Here's the dance news clip.
Speaker B:It's not as long, but.
Speaker F:Danny Pabst delivering the news.
Speaker F:Danny Pabst giving his views.
Speaker F:It's not kicks, but I'm sure that's all right.
Speaker F:With pain splashing, we can reconnoitre.
Speaker F:Dance news, Dance Rocket News.
Speaker F:Dance news, Dance Rocket news.
Speaker F:Dance News.
Speaker B:So I took Pat's dogs.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker F:Dogs.
Speaker A:The cook is never tired.
Speaker C:I think if there's ever like some fun, like, off regular segments in this, I think we need.
Speaker C:You need to get back in the recording studio.
Speaker C:Yeah, Like, I want a theme now.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:These are great.
Speaker B:So they play I, I just as a joke, I sent them and now they use them as all the time.
Speaker A:So what, what's the podcast called?
Speaker B:It is called Mixtapes from Hell.
Speaker B:And so I guess the idea is every season is going to be a different band where they build the ultimate mixtape and they play every single song in the catalog and analyze each song one at a time.
Speaker G:Wow.
Speaker B:And then build a 17 song, whatever fits on a max L90.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a great show.
Speaker C:That's pretty cool.
Speaker B:But they play my horrible vocals for their opening segments every week.
Speaker B:And every time you hear it, I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:You just pretend you're just like, I don't know who that is.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:I've never heard of them before.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it's a good show.
Speaker E:Sam.
Speaker G:Looking on.
Speaker G:Back when I was younger I tried to sing it but my song, every song and now I ain't got no worries Ain't got no one to question on my own I know, I said but when I got just a little bit older All I got had come undone let's go, boys.
Speaker E:Oh, man looks much younger now he loves to Strength, respect Somehow look in the mirror at what I found it's in the past and it's out of the mouth.
Speaker E:It's over.
Speaker E:My thoughts like a whale and my head is a stone I got my memories and got no how.
Speaker E:Ew.
Speaker E:Falling apart in the field.
Speaker E:Falling apart at the sin.
Speaker E:They stand a test of time Somehow look at the winner who hit the ground it comes around and it goes right down.
Speaker E:My heart's like a wheel and my head seems a stone I got my memories ain't got no heart.
Speaker E:Ew.
Speaker E:Falling and falling the stone Here we are Falling Crawling the sand Sam.
Speaker E:My heart's like a wheel in my hands to the stone I got my memories ain't got no hope.
Speaker E:You falling apart,.
Speaker A:Yankee, for listening and we'll see you next week and bye, have a good day.
Speaker A:Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week and bye, have a good day.
