There's no doubt that podcasting today - producing and listening
Evo Terra:- is much less complicated than before.
Evo Terra:But some lingering challenges remain that we must overcome to
Evo Terra:capture more public attention.
Evo Terra:Hello, and welcome to another Podcast Pontifications with me, Evo Terra.
Evo Terra:Looking back over the last 16+ years that podcasting has been a thing, we've
Evo Terra:made some pretty huge accomplishments.
Evo Terra:Yeah!
Evo Terra:We've minted a few millionaires with the space.
Evo Terra:We now have two million shows available.
Evo Terra:Production houses exist now that gainfully employ dozens, and
Evo Terra:sometimes more than a hundred people.
Evo Terra:I mean, we have built a real economy out of this thing called podcasting.
Evo Terra:It's what I do full time.
Evo Terra:It's wonderful.
Evo Terra:But some things in the podcasting industry are still dumb.
Evo Terra:And I just hope it doesn't take us another sixteen years to put some
Evo Terra:of these dumb things to an end.
Evo Terra:So I'm going to cover those four things with you right now on the program.
:Smart speakers still suck for listening to podcasts.
:I've been watching the reports.
:I'm sure you've been watching the reports as well.
:And we see the numbers growing steadily as people use their smart speakers and
:other assistant devices to listen to podcasts, but it's still a tiny number.
:And the reason it's a tiny number is because the experience is still terrible.
:Now, I lay a lot of the blame of that at the feet of AI, which
:is clearly not there just yet.
:The UX is not the greatest thing.
:We're used to giving commands with our voices, but we're used to people
:on the other end, responding to said commands and giving us what we want.
:The AI is not quite there yet.
:Last night, it took me about ten minutes to get the machines to dim
:the lights in the master bedroom.
:Yeah, because I didn't say the words properly.
:What else I could I have said I do not know.
:But it's no different than finding a podcast, right?
:I mean, finding a podcast on a smart speaker is difficult
:enough without a screen, I get that, but again could be solved.
:But just getting that speaker to follow me from room to room.
:I have like six of these things in my two-bedroom condo.
:Why can't it follow me with the thing I was playing?
:Why can't it intelligently pause when Sheila says something to me
:and I want to have a conversation?
:We're not there yet.
:And that's a problem with AI, I think.
:I'm hopeful.
:Maybe that'll be fixed later on.
:Data in podcasting is still untrustworthy and obfuscated.
:Now, you're thinking, hang on Evo, we've solved this problem.
:We now have the IAB guidelines and everything's great.
:Yeah, well, I wish that was true, that it was all great.
:It's not.
:It's still untrustworthy.
:Look no further than the announcement - what was it this week?
:I think?
:Buzzsprout came out and said that Spotify is bigger than Apple
:Podcasts as far as people downloading content from Buzzsprout goes.
:Nobody else thinks that.
:No other podcast hosting company thinks that, which means either Buzzsprout
:is counting weirdly or every other podcast hosting company is counting
:weirdly, but we're not sharing the data.
:The podcast hosting companies aren't saying this is it.
:11%, 12%, whatever the number is the number.
:So we can all compare and contrast, right?
:When different hosting companies make these different bold claims,
:it makes people not trust the data and that's not helping us.
:That's not helping bring people into the space.
:Plus podcasters, maybe you lie about the size of their audience when asked
:how many downloads we get we lie.
:Almost always.
:Or worse than that, we don't know.
:Or the hosting companies we're using have given us data in such a
:way that doesn't mean a lot to us.
:It is also obfuscated.
:So we don't know what to say.
:We just kind of make up numbers because that sounds like a number - I
:saw a number, I'll use that.
:Look, I'm not looking for perfection in stats.
:I'm just looking for some consistency.
:I want them to be trustworthy.
:And why can't we do that?
:RSS feeds still suck.
:We've had a lot of advancements in RSS feeds over the several
:years this podcasting thing has grown, and that's great.
:We also have podcastindex.org, which is helping to crowdsource and vet.
:And we're now seeing other podcast hosting companies implement these new
:namespaces to extend the RSS spec.
:And that's wonderful.
:But they still stink.
:They're still limiting what we can do.
:Why can't I name a season?
:That's pretty important.
:And it seems like a pretty basic thing, we're stuck with
:season one, two, and three.
:Why can't we list out credits like at the end of a movie roll?
:You know, you watch a movie or an episode or a movie on TV, you
:see the credit roll afterwards.
:Why can't we put that in an RSS feed?
:So that, you know, we can start making some connections.
:Oh, this person was on this show, this person produced
:this show, all of these things.
:We're not doing that yet.
:Can't even reference other episodes within an RSS feed, if
:you'd like this, you'll like this.
:We can't do any of those sorts of connections because it's
:not what it was designed for.
:RSS feeds still suck.
:Getting better.
:They still suck.
:And the last thing.
:Podcasting is still terribly under-monetized.
:Yeah, it's really great news that we're going to hit a billion this year, we were
:supposed to do that last year, but COVID.
:But a billion dollars is still tiny in the grand scheme of all other ad
:dollars that are coming into the space.
:And advertising is still really hard to get right on podcasting.
:And by that, I mean how to buy it at scale and also see returns at scale.
:Sure, some companies have nailed it down.
:It's why Better Help is spending more money on podcast advertising than any
:other form of advertising they do.
:But other companies getting to the space, look at this and go,
:I don't know where to begin.
:And how do I know this is going to work for me?
:There's not a lot of, no help bringing them along.
:So, yeah, under-monetized.
:Look, I'm not cranky about this, I'm just realistic.
:Maybe I'm a little bit cranky.
:But I'm also more realistic than that.
:Now, the good news here is I think that all of these issues I just raised
:are solvable and I think almost all of them are being actively worked on.
:Someone or many someones are actively working on all four of
:those areas to bring about change.
:And that's exciting to me.
:Because once we get them fixed or closer to perfection, a more perfect
:podcasting union, that is what's going to make podcasting better.
:Now, if you found this eye-opening, and maybe a little bit cranky, but
:more eye-opening than cranky, Evo, please go to buymeacoffee.com/evoterra,
:and slide a virtual coffee my way.
:And if someone you know in the podcasting space needs to hear this harsh bit of
:reality, but with maybe a slice of hope, then please send this episode to them.
:I would greatly appreciate that.
:Okay.
:I shall be back tomorrow with yet another Podcast Pontifications.