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2025 Goal-setting for Authors
Episode 139 • Bonus Episode • 1st January 2025 • Writing Momentum • Christopher and Gena Maselli
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Christopher:

Welcome to the Writing Momentum podcast.

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We're recording this

live on New Year's Day.

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Happy New Year's.

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Gena: Happy 2025.

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Christopher: And Merry

Christmas to any of you.

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We haven't said Merry Christmas to you.

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Gena: Merry Christmas.

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Happy Hanukkah.

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Christopher: Oh, really?

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You're gonna go through all the holidays?

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Gena: Happy Kwanzaa.

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Happy New Year.

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Christopher: Yeah, Happy New Year.

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You know what would really

make my New Year happy?

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Gena: I, I don't know, what would it be?

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It would

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Christopher: be moving the needle.

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Gena: Moving the needle.

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This is,

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Christopher: this is what

we're talking about right here.

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This is moving the needle.

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You know, we all have goals that

we want to achieve, um, with our

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writing and in other areas of life.

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And.

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Uh, this is always a great time of

year to sit down and say, Hey, I'm

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gonna get my goals down on paper.

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I'm gonna put this in writing and

say, This is what I'm gonna stick to.

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And then on January 2nd, we can

put it in a drawer and forget

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about it until the next year.

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No, we don't want to do that.

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Gena: No!

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No,

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Christopher: we want to move the needle.

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And so what does that mean?

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Well, that means Actually

writing down your goals and

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making them, uh, smart goals.

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We love smart goals.

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Smart goals were, came from

like 1981 and they're still.

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Powerful today, like you're still, you

know, I should probably use a microphone.

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I just realized my microphone

was nowhere near my, me.

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So if you haven't been able

to hear us, sorry about that.

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Um, but yeah, goals goal setting

is one of those things that's, I

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think super important for authors

is super important for anyone who

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wants to get a creative work done.

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Um, otherwise it can just take

forever, but instead by setting.

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Small, achievable, smart goals.

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We can get our writing done.

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So that's what we're going to

talk about today on the podcast.

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Gena: Yeah.

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I think there's a lot of times

where people will think that there's

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this conception, this misconception

really, that you don't, you kind

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of have to wait for inspiration

that when inspiration strikes.

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Somehow the work is going to get done.

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And that's really not what

we have found to be true.

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There have been many times that we have

had things that we've wanted to do.

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And until we have put them on our calendar

and really made room and space for them

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in our life, They just didn't happen.

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I mean, and it wasn't that some

of those things that don't happen

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aren't as important to us, right?

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Some of those things, we really do get

to the point where it's like, is this

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really what I want to spend my time doing?

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But there are those things that

are those passion projects that

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we want to get done, like writing

our book or getting published.

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And the truth of the matter is

guys, it just takes dedication

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and consistency to get there.

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And so, Um, because that does

not come naturally always to

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us because our lives are full.

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We have three kids, we have

clients that we're working for.

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We have, um, volunteer

projects that we're a part of.

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We have other things that we're

doing because we have all of these

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things fighting for our attention.

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Um, it takes.

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really effort and a plan.

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Like move the needle.

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Yeah.

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For us to get it done.

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Christopher: So that's

where this plan comes in.

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So this is a.

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This is the ebook that we ended up

creating because we've shared this with

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several people and they're like, Hey,

can you get that down on paper for us?

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So that was what we've done here.

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If you go to writingmomentum.

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com and you'll see it down there at

the bottom of the page where you can

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just put in your name and email and

the ebook will come right to your

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email as a PDF, and then you can

print it out and that sort of thing.

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And what we thought we'd do today

is we would just bring you through

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basically what move the needle is

all about, about setting those goals.

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So if you want to set some goals with us

over the next 10 minutes or so, um, you're

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welcome to, um, because what we like to

do is not set necessarily year long goals.

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only year long goals because setting a

year long goal is a great overview idea

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of what we want to do but it's a little

much to try and keep track of all year

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long unless you break it into bite sized

pieces and that's what this is about.

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We like to break our goals into six week

stints that we do that We can easily

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measure as we go along in those six

weeks how we're doing with our goal.

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And it may be a smaller goal

that feeds into that large goal.

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So for instance, if my larger goal

is to write a fiction book by the end

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of the year, then my six week goal

might be to research That book, right?

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So that I'm ready to start

writing in the next six weeks.

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So should we jump right into this?

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Gena: Let's jump into it.

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Let's

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Christopher: do it.

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We, we, by the way, just spent some time

with our, we just had a great writing

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time with our, uh, writing momentum group.

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If you're not, if you're not part

of a writer's group and you'd like

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to become a part of a writer's

group that meets every single week,

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come over to writing momentum.

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com and we've got a

membership that you can join.

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It's very low cost and it's a great way.

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for you to have your

writing time be accountable.

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Every single week, and we just, we went

through an entire session working on

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this together with our group, and we

really had some great questions and

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great breakthroughs as we, um mm-hmm

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Went through this.

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So this is called, Hmm.

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Gena: Well, I just wanna point out

when he, when Chris is talking about

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accountability, it's really just.

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Um, for you to set a goal for yourself

that you set the time for yourself

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that every week I'm going to sign.

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I'm going to show up for this.

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It is not about us holding your

feet to the fire that, you know,

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did you get this done and getting

all intrusive into your life?

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It's not

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Christopher: an intrusive thing, but it

is a way to hold your own feet to the fire

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by not just being accountable to yourself.

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Right?

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To know that, hey, I'm going to have this

on my calendar, and I'm going to meet with

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a group of people, that helps me know I

got to kind of get my stuff done before

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we meet together, and by doing that, it

helps you progress in your writing, and

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we've had many writers who've worked with

us who've said, man, um, If it weren't

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for this, they've said, this is the anchor

of my week, this writing time together.

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And so that's really

encouraging always to hear.

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Gena: Absolutely.

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Okay.

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So now let's jump in.

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All right.

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Christopher: So we're

going to jump into it.

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So for moving the needle, the first

thing we'd like to do is to write

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down what our overall goal is.

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So for me, I'm going

to say my overall goal.

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I'm writing a book about writing.

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It's kind of meta, right?

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So I'm writing a book about writing.

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And so that's my goal is I want

to write my book about writing,

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but that is way too broad.

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So after figuring out what it is

that I want to move the needle

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on, My book about writing.

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This is where we're going to start

putting it through this filter, S

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M A R T, to make it a SMART goal.

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Gena: Yes.

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And the whole idea of the

SMART goal started in the, in,

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I think, the business world.

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And we have taken that and really,

um, honed it or, or kind of

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shifted a little bit for writers.

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So that's what we're, we're,

we, we, we perfected it.

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Um, yeah, that's what this is.

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So if you've heard about SMART goals,

you probably have heard it in terms of,

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uh, the vision or direction of a company,

but you know what we've said, writing

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is a business and whether you do it, uh,

Um, just casually kind of on the side or

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whether it is your main source of income,

it's still a business that you're working.

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So

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that's right.

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Gena: That's what we're working on.

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So move the needle.

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We've got first our overarching big

six week goal that we want to do.

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Christopher: We've got that goal.

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Now what we want to do is

put it through these filters.

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So the first thing we need

to ask is, is it specific?

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So, For me, I like to, if I'm writing

a book for instance, I'm not just gonna

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say I want my goal to be, um, writing

a book, I want to say I want to write

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a ten chapter book of about, um, Uh,

let's say 50, 000, um, 50, 000 words,

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okay, that is a lot more specific and

I want to have it done by July 1st of

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Gena: 2025.

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So basically you're adding

the math into it, right?

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You're adding the numbers.

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I like

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Christopher: adding numbers into it.

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You're adding numbers.

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That, as you'll see as we go to

these next few steps, knowing the

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numbers is really, really important.

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Gena: It's not just, I'm writing a book,

but it's, I'm writing this kind of book.

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It's going to be this long

and, or this many chapters.

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And, or, I'm going to write, and we

can talk about this as we get more

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into this, how, Maybe how many minutes

we're going to spend writing it each

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week, how many pages or words it's

going to be, all of those things.

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Christopher: So that's the

next one is measurable.

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If we want to talk about

how is it measurable?

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How can I know that what I've

done, I have accomplished.

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That's what we're going

to do in this session.

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So if we know that we want to write,

for instance, I want to write a

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nonfiction book over the next six

weeks, What do I have to do to make

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myself to let myself know that I've

actually accomplished that thing?

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So for instance, I can't write the

whole book in the next six weeks.

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So what I can do though, is

write a thousand words a week.

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Okay.

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So that's my measure.

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I'm writing a thousand words a

week, or maybe I'm going to say,

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I'm going to write for 45 minutes.

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per week.

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Okay.

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Something like that.

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You want it to be measurable because then

at the end of the week, you can look back

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and say, did I write a thousand words?

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Did I write for 45 minutes?

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Did I do that thing that

I wanted to measure?

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And am I now behind or am I now ahead?

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Right?

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That's why we want it to be measurable.

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So in this case, I'm going to say, well,

I'm going to write a thousand a week.

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Now, this is also important because

If I know my book has to be 50, 000

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words and I'm only allowing myself

to write a thousand words a week

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as my goal, how long is it going

to take me to finish that book?

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Gena: 50 weeks.

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Christopher: 50 weeks.

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See,

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Gena: it's the math.

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It's

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Christopher: the math.

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Gena: He said math never intersects

with writing and creativity.

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It does.

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Christopher: But this is super

insightful because if I thought

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I was going to write my book.

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One hour a week.

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And now I know that it's

going to take 50 weeks.

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Didn't I say I want to

have it done by July 1st?

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Well, that means I have to do more

than one hour a week, doesn't it?

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So now I've got to write at least two

hours a week to have it done by then.

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So that now informs me and lets me

know, Do I want to add writing time?

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Do I want to change my due date?

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Right?

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Make it measurable so that

you get a clearer picture of

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Gena: Yep.

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Gena: absolutely.

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Christopher: All right.

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What's, what's A?

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Gena: It's achievable.

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It has to be achievable.

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Cause I think it's very often

that we set these goals.

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Like Chris said, I'm going

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And he, as he's doing, go walk,

working through this, he realizes

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that's not even possible.

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I can't, I, you could, if you had nothing

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then, you'd probably just get like a rough

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of reference and gives you

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clarity of what you can achieve.

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Is your goal achievable?

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When you really look at your life,

what you've got going on, you've

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got, um, children, work, volunteer,

community events, you know, social

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life, those kinds of things.

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What is it?

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That you can realistically achieve, but

you do want your goal to be achievable.

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So it shouldn't be too easy.

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Like if you can finish it this week

and it's not going to take the full

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six weeks, well, then maybe you need

to change your goal to make it a little

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In the six week range, something

that would take six weeks.

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But if it's something that you say, well,

yeah, when I look at my life, there's

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no way I'm gonna be able to do that.

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Then break that goal down.

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that it is achievable.

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Christopher: Then the next thing

you wanna do for the R is you wanna

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make sure your goal is relevant.

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Now, this is actually

an really interesting.

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part here.

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Uh, this, I actually prefer to do this

first because otherwise you just wasted

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a lot of time because the relevant is

asking yourself, does this goal that

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I am setting really align with what

I am trying to accomplish this year?

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And with who I am as an individual,

is this what I want to do?

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And that doesn't mean that

the goal is right or wrong.

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It's just, is this fitting with.

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What I'm wanting to do

at this particular time.

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For instance, I would ask myself

if I'm wanting to write this

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non fiction book on writing.

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Is that really what I'm feeling

burn inside me right now?

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Or is it that I'm wanting

to write a fiction book?

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Because if that's what it is,

then this project really isn't

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relevant for this time period.

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And so this is just a good measure.

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It's a good filter to work things

through and say, Is this, is this

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relevant for my life right now?

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That's why I like doing this

first actually, but then the

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acronym would be all messed up.

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S M A R T, the R would come first

and it'd be RSMAT or something.

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RSMAT,

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Gena: because it's not as positive either.

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It But that is really true.

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I think that's a great, you've been

using this word quite a bit here lately.

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This idea of alignment is what

you are working on, aligning

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with your overall goal.

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And is it aligning with what you want

or need to accomplish this coming year?

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And I think that's a great way

of just asking is, is it aligning

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with the direction that you feel

Called or feel drawn to walk in.

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Yes.

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Gena: So, and do so.

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And there might be some projects.

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There's a lot of great ideas.

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I know you are probably a creative person.

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You can come up with 50 great ideas.

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But what is that?

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What sometimes we call the God idea?

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What is that?

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That idea that truly has that, uh,

touch of divine inspiration to it.

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Something that you really

feel like you should be doing.

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Christopher: Yeah, that's good.

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And then the T on this is time bound.

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Now, here's where the magic comes in.

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We've actually made this time

bound through this little

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workbook we've got here.

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I keep, for those of you watching

online, I keep messing with the

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graphic and I apologize for that.

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Okay, so what we want to do here though

is we want to create smart actions.

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I'm going to jump ahead.

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We want to create smart actions that

actually make this something that we

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can do in the next six week period.

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So what I like to do is I like to

set first of all the six weeks, I

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like to put the due dates on here.

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So if this is January 1st today, which

it is, what do I want to accomplish

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in week one, which ends January 8th?

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And then what do I want to

accomplish in week two, which

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ends January 15th and so on.

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If you do that with us today, you

will find that this ends on February

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14th, which is Valentine's Day.

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So it's really good to say, okay, my six

goals between Valentine's Day that week.

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So what do I want to accomplish each week?

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Well, it may be as simple

as saying, I know I want to

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write a thousand words a week.

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And so my week one smart action

is write a thousand words.

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My week two is write a thousand words.

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My week three is write a thousand words.

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I would encourage you to also maybe put

the date and time for each one of those.

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When you're going to write those

thousand words in there, try

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to be as specific as you can.

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But here's what I found when

I started filling this out

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for myself, for my project.

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Yes, I want to write a nonfiction book

and start that over the next six weeks,

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but I realized when I was starting to

write out what I was going to do each

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week, I thought, wait a second, I've

also got to do research for this book.

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I can't just write a

thousand words a week.

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I've got to do research for each chapter.

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So realistically, my first six

weeks on week one, I went to

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research chapters one and two.

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On week two, I want to research

chapters three and four.

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I want to find quotes.

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I want to find stories.

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I want to find things that support

what I'm talking about in the chapter.

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And when I finished doing that, I realized

my first six weeks was mostly research.

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I would not have thought of that.

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Had I not sat down and done this, I

would have just said, I'm just going

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to write a thousand words a week.

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And then what would have

happened about week three?

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I would have felt like I'm not getting

my goals done because my goal was

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to write a thousand words a week.

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And instead I am spending all my

time researching, but that's okay.

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That's part of the process.

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So that's why we're working through

this so that we can know that what we're

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doing is actually what we're looking for.

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to do.

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Gena: Absolutely.

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That's so good.

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That's so good.

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I think there is, there's something

about going through this kind of process

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that really does help you shine a light

on the areas where you've forgotten

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and really help you bring some, maybe,

um, maybe some, What would it be?

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The things that you, your

expectations more into alignment.

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I'll use that word again.

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Um, I know for myself, I have

trouble sometimes with time.

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You know, this about me,

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where I will say, Oh,

I can do that in a day.

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And Chris is over on the side going,

that that's, That's going to take

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you a week, that's going to take you

way more than what you're expecting.

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Because

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Christopher: most of us do this,

we're very optimistic when it

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comes to the things we can do.

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The things we commit, we always

over commit ourselves, right?

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Gena: Right.

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So, uh, this, going through this

process of really breaking it down, It

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just really helps to say, okay, yeah.

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And it also helps so that you're

no longer looking at this big goal,

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but you're looking at, okay, this

week, all I have to do is this.

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I don't have to write the book.

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I just have to research

chapters one and two.

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I don't have to write the book.

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I just have to.

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Um, write a thousand words.

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I don't have to write the 50, 000

word book, just a thousand words.

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Yeah.

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Christopher: So, and this will

work not just for writing, but

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you could put in your health

goals through a filter like this.

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Any other goals, financial goals, put

them in a filter like this and you'll

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have realistic goals that you can set.

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And then what we do is when the six

weeks is up, we do it all again.

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And we only, we're starting

now with having finished our

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first six week SMART goal.

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And now we're working to week two.

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And by the end of the year, hopefully

we'll have finished that book or

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by July or whatever our goal was.

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Yeah.

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Gena: And then the last thing that I would

add is just making sure you write it down

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so that you are looking at it each week.

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You've got these, these due dates

that you've written down for yourself.

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So by this day, I have to have this, but

if you then take this and put it in a

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drawer, it'll be real easy to forget it.

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So I know for me, He'll look at his

week at the end of the week on Fridays.

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A lot of times he'll come

back and he'll say, okay, what

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did I accomplish this week?

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I do it on the other side.

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I do it on Sunday afternoons is when

I sit down and plan out my week.

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And I actually look at what appointments

do I have and what commitments do I

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have and what deadlines do I have?

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And where do I need to be at what time?

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And then I see what space I have for,

Maybe these projects that I'm wanting to

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do so I can go ahead and pin them in at

the beginning of the week so that I know.

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First of all, at least I have

the one hour of writing momentum.

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Yeah.

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That we get together on Wednesdays, but

also in addition to that, I might have

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a couple of hours on Thursday, or I

might have an hour on Monday afternoon

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that I can do it, and so I start

working those in each week and really

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setting them down and writing them in.

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Christopher: That's right.

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Hey, we hope you accomplish

all your goals this year.

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Yeah.

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times during that month and doing co

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Yeah.

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Gena: Yeah, absolutely.

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We hope you have an amazing.

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Start to 2025.

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An amazing 2025 in whole.

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I know a lot of us are 2024.

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It has is done and we're

looking for a new start.

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And I, if that's you,

we're right there with you.

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And It's, we hope that you will join

us, however you can, um, join us for

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writing momentum, join us through

our social media, join us on YouTube.

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Um, just join us because

we are rooting for you.

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That's right.

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And we're

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Christopher: not in this thing alone.

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That's right.

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Together,

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Gena: we have writing momentum.

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Bye

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Christopher: bye.

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