You may know Kadi Lee’s work, even if you don’t recognize her name. Her artistry as a colorist is behind some of the most iconic hair in Hollywood (yes, that Julia Roberts transformation). But what moved me most about this conversation was her honesty about what it took to build something of her own.

From Jamaica to Connecticut to California, from salon chairs to supper clubs, Kadi’s story is about building something that reflects your values, holds space for others, and still leaves room for rest. Kadi is candid about what it’s really like to grow a beauty business while staying grounded in her purpose, and she talks with me about what no one tells you about being the first to do it.

What You’ll Hear:

• The path from blog to beauty brand  (05:45)

• How Kadi’s childhood shaped her journey (08:49)

• Building a peaceful, intentional space for gathering (24:52)

• The moment Julia Roberts changed everything (30:27)

• What no one tells you about launching a product line (42:17)

• The quiet signs of stress that show up in our hair (01:06:15)

If you’ve ever dreamed of building a business that reflects your values, or wondered what happens when success still doesn’t feel like ease, this episode is for you.

You can watch this interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/vhiwaDGSfLM

For a full transcript and more, check out our blog post: https://www.lindsaycz.com/show-notes/kadi-lee-07

Check out more from Kadi Lee on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/highbrowhippie

[00:00:05] Kadi: Literally that was just...

[00:00:10] Kadi: Not being able to breathe. I work with chemicals, so it's no pressure. Come with me and you have a few hours to take Julia from brunette, which she was at the time, she had just finished filming a film. And I had to make her blonde in one day for a Lancome commercial. Gosh, I just remember that day finishing and he called and I still remember what the message was: “She loved you so much, but she wants to know, ‘Does she speak?’” Because I was so just focused and silent the entire time and working, head down, military precision, that she thought I was like mute. I just remember it being like the most magical moment of my career and that maybe that's why it's still so vivid in my mind.

[00:01:22] So each week I'm gonna talk with newsmakers, trailblazers in the worlds of sports, entertainment, all things, but also everyday folks, people who are talking about the real stuff that no one tends to share. Follow me at Lindsay  Czarniak and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review things no one tells you wherever you like to listen.

[00:02:30] But first sidebar, hair coloring. I did wanna share, and also I'm a bit embarrassed that this is what my hair looks like on an episode where I'm talking about hair. I am one of those people that drives more than an hour to get my hair colored, cut, what have you.

I met her and she's a really good friend of mine, Maley Torres. I met her at ESPN because she was my hairstylist at ESPN. Not always, but I would always be crossing my fingers when I walked in the makeup and hair room that she would be the one there because Maley, I call her magic fingers. She just has this way.

[00:03:30] But if I'm forced to do that, because there's stuff on my head, at least I wanna be in a place where I feel zen and relaxed and have good conversation if I want it. Anyway, this takes me back to Kadi. Kadi Lee is amazing and you've probably seen her work without even realizing it because some of the biggest a-listers in Hollywood go to her. Among them. Julia Roberts. Also Meghan Markle, has started going to Kadi Lee and has been very open about how much she adores her. But what makes Kadi Lee really unforgettable isn't just her client list because it's really her philosophy. She talks about being from Jamaica, but growing up in the town actually where I live, Westport, Connecticut.

[00:04:32] We talk about being a black colorist, her perspective in a segregated industry, what it took to launch her own product line, and why she is always always chasing excellence over attention. Kadi Lee, I am so excited to be talking with you. Thank you so much for joining me.

[00:04:52] Lindsay: So you're in LA right now. Can you tell me a little bit about where you are and what you have going on there?

[00:05:19] Lindsay: That's nice.

[00:05:33] Lindsay: I love, there's so many things I wanna chat with you about. I'm excited to hear about your entrepreneurship, about your company, about what you've experienced from the actual work that you do.

[00:06:08] Kadi: Gosh, Highbrow Hippie is so many things. It's interesting to me now that it's what people now know it as, is a product line. Because it's been a part of my life and my business partner's life for so long. We started it as a blog back in 2010, and it began just as a place for us to dump all of our thoughts and feelings, whether it be about what we were eating, drinking, wearing, politics, anything that we thought was worth discussing lived on that site. And we both had a similar sensibility of the world and our approach to life. And she used to be called like a “bourgeois bohemian” by one of her exes. And we were like, we can't use that. People will butcher that name. They won't even know how to spell it. So let's, I don't know, I just said the word highbrow one day and she screamed out hippie afterwards.

[00:07:14] Kadi: We love the alliteration and we just scooped up all the trademarks and, and it's just been our life for many, many years.

[00:07:32] Kadi: It was back when people even called them blogs. Yeah. And we've always been a chatty duo. I don't know, I've always been pretty opinionated and it just was cool that there was a place that we could just design to have all these things exist somewhere. And then we always knew it had the makings of a good business, just because of the name itself. And we both are pretty entrepreneurial and we didn't know how we would monetize it. But eventually, we just went to the obvious and made it first, a service-based business. And then out of that, a product line.

[00:08:44] Kadi: Yeah. so I moved to Westport in 1988. It was about 10 years old.

[00:08:55] Kadi: From Jamaica. So I am, the hot word of the moment, I'm an immigrant, a proud one. And, we ended up in Westport quite by accident. It was just a place that my mom got a job, cleaning houses and babysitting. Okay. And, so we were never... I loved Westport, I loved growing up there. It was obviously a very safe place to be, not a very diverse place. And, but we stayed and wanted to stay because of the school system. And, but it was not an easy thing to do. Obviously it's not a very affordable place, but we lived for a time in affordable housing in Westport until my mom was able to, save enough money and buy a house of her own.

[00:10:06] Lindsay: What was that like?

[00:10:10] Lindsay: Yeah. I know

[00:10:42] And, that was by design. because being one of only a handful of black students in Westport, it's not a natural thing, and or it could be if you stay in a place like Westport and make that your longtime existence. But obviously, I like the skin I'm in, and wanted to be around other people who felt the same. And just wanted to be in a place specifically where we as black women were judged strictly on our merit and not, compared as the exceptional Negro, if you will.

[00:11:56] Lindsay: What, and this might sound like a strange question, but when you're describing that in a town like this, what does it feel like that people would not realize? Like when you describe what that is, like not, feeling a certain way, like how do you describe the ways that that happens? Does that make sense what I'm asking?

[00:12:57] And I was like, what? And my mother-in-law walked in the room. She was here when she said that. And I was like. I don't, I don't, I don't, it was just, it just was a conversation and she's right. So I guess I don't really know the best question to ask with this, but what I do think is really valuable is for people that just don't even register that, what does it feel like in that moment?

[00:14:20] And if they were there, if, the big ones happened, I really moved on pretty quickly from it, there was one instance I can remember that was pretty shocking when I was, like in middle school in Bedford, actually, but, oh, I know, but, listen, you gotta, it's just, it happens. And the person who did it had a parent who was, in government, in Westport, in local government. And I brought it to a teacher's attention and it was just, oh, I'm sure he didn't mean it, type of thing. And so when you also figure out that you didn't really have that many allies, in situations like that to have your back, you just, you, I don't know.

[00:16:19] Lindsay: For people that, that have, kids that are going through situations or that are in similar situations to that, do you, are there things that strike you now looking back that you would say, okay, this is necessary for you to do, to be able to handle that type of scenario, regardless of where it is,

[00:16:48] Lindsay: Because social media and stuff?

[00:17:30] Because I think that's where maybe most of it stems from. I've just always had people of all ilks around me. And I think that when you don't, that's when it becomes dangerous and you become, you're in an echo chamber.

[00:18:06] Kadi: Spelman, like a lot of people that went to Spelman, we basically found out about HBCUs through a different world than the Cosby Show. And, there are many arguments of why do black colleges exist and, I don't know, I'm just gonna be one till the day I die saying that they are so necessary as just a place to really form your sense of self.

[00:19:13] Lindsay: It's just like an art for you. It was like that type of thing?

[00:20:02] Lindsay: I was gonna say in the blog, the whole like... But, wait. And was it that, it was a scenario in college for you where I'm like, did you have, your friends were lining up and just they knew that you were the one that would do the thing?

[00:20:43] Lindsay: Oh wow. How was that?

[00:20:47] Lindsay: In Atlanta?

[00:20:53] Lindsay: In Buckhead? Is that in Buckhead?

[00:20:55] Lindsay: That's where, that was where I had my first job out of college, was in Atlanta.

[00:21:01] Lindsay: Yes.

[00:21:23] And to really apprentice was some wonderful colorist, most of them French, with the exception of my mentor Constance, who was an American woman who was in her seventies when I was assisting her. I think she was like 80 by the time she retired. And she was just a mad scientist. She used to be a chemist before she was a colorist, and taught me many things that I still use today.

[00:21:59] Kadi: We would have a color correction and there would be something that was slightly off with a tone and she literally knew to put like a drop of copper or a drop of this and it would just change before your eyes. It was true chemistry class. But she also, besides the chemistry, she had the coolest head of anybody I really have ever met. Nothing flustered her. And, I learned a lot just by watching that, how to handle many people at once, how to handle many high profile people at once, and how to get through just a very high pressure day. So she taught me many life lessons.

[00:23:27] Kadi: I tend to have a slightly different approach when dealing with clients. I am really known as a very boundary person, so I've never been the hairstylist that's come and dump all your problems in my lap but mostly because it's physically impossible to get through the days that I have, if I do that.

[00:24:32] And, it's their moment to also escape. Or sometimes they have to get a lot of work done while they're there. We have a very different salon in that it is very quiet. We operate, at least, I operate mostly on an outdoor patio that's quite peaceful. So I have natural light and I have fresh air so that I'm not like inhaling chemicals all the time. And you just hear the natural sounds of outside that become like a nice lull, like background noise.

[00:25:09] Kadi: yeah. It's completely covered.

[00:25:11] Kadi: Yeah. and it's such an LA thing, like we know we're really lucky 'cause we could really be out there, 12 months a year. But, yeah, I think. Boundaries with, everyone having this shared agreement that we're not gonna dump on each other unless it's like a moment where, we cannot ignore and we're going to obviously, acknowledge our shared humanity, but for the most part, my business partner, Mike and I have always operated this, we call it atelier, as a place where it's like our home that you're coming into.

[00:26:16] Lindsay: It's more zen?

[00:26:58] Lindsay: And you do the heads of some of the most famous women that people have seen in Hollywood. And how so, from Spelman, from meeting Micah, and then what was that next step?

[00:27:30] Lindsay: They're just like, “Okay.”?

[00:27:41] Lindsay: Is it hard to get licensed in California?

[00:28:10] Lindsay: Wow.

[00:29:12] I eventually just signed up for as many models as I could get. and that became like a different income source. And these models, some of these models are still my clients today. I now do some of their children. So it was a really big lesson in just never saying no. Because these women went on to have huge careers and or some of them are now stay home moms or whatever the case is they're still my clients today, so it's been, and I grew up with them for 23 years.

[00:30:07] Kadi: I have to say I was really lucky in all of the people that have come into my life to guide me also in this career. So once I will say I left Frédéric Fekkai after five years in their Beverly Hills location and went to go work for Serge Normant, who then, and he is the hairdresser's hairdresser, like I had tear-outs of all of his work.

[00:31:11] And, Serge has always worked with the utmost discretion and elegance and I just always wanted to be like him. So I emulated him and when he gave me the opportunity to first work with Julia, like well over 15 years ago. I just followed his lead. He was there with me that day. And has really never left my side. We work as a team so I never had to wing it, per se, in a very high pressure situation because he taught me how to be.

[00:31:58] Kadi: Literally, that was just…

[00:32:03] Kadi: Not being able to breathe.

[00:32:07] Kadi: Which is so funny.

[00:32:17] Kadi: I work with chemicals, so it's no pressure. Come with me and you have a few hours to take Julia from brunette, which she was at the time. She just finished filming a film and I had to make her blonde in one day for a Lancome commercial.

[00:32:37] Kadi: Yeah. And it's like she is a busy person and with raising young children and time was of the essence and it was like you didn't get nine hours to do this. I literally had, perhaps a morning and, but Serge helped. And gosh, I just remember that day finishing and he called and… did he send me a message or did he call? I know what the… I still remember what the message was: “She loved you so much, but she wants to know, ‘Does she speak?’” Because I was so just focused and silent the entire time and working like, I mean head down, like military precision that she thought I was like, mute.

[00:33:36] Kadi: And now we just laugh about it because now we just chat like old friends.

[00:33:45] Kadi: Yeah, I just, I was focused to get every single thing right. And it was almost like I was in conversation with myself, like I could, I don't know, I was telling myself like, you're gonna do a sweep of color here and you're going to pop that little piece there.

[00:34:26] Lindsay: Yeah. Oh my. I love that. And two things. It's first of all, it could have been any actress, but obviously what's the first thing everyone thinks about when you say Julia Roberts? It's her hair, right? Yeah. So it's besides the fact that she's an amazing actress. so that's funny. Just, and I think that's so awesome. 'cause I think about it like on the course of my journey or other people I talk to, and it's like there are these moments along the way where you're just this is exactly where I either am supposed to be or like want to be in this moment where it's like the thing that you have had the passion for, it gets reaffirmed. Like it sounds like that's what it was, right? It's just like this is, yes. Like it's lighting you up.

[00:35:32] Lindsay: I would love to ask Serge what it was, 'cause obviously he saw immense talent, but also something else that struck him about you the way that you present yourself. I do love it when you're using words like elegance in that. I think it's such an interesting, awesome way to frame something for people to think about. 'Cause obviously so many people have the experience of going to get their hair done, but it's really cool when you're talking about it that way.

[00:36:13] Oh, okay. And because salons to this day are still quite segregated when it comes to hair. And, part of the reason why when I was in Westport, like I didn't get my hair done in Westport 'cause no one knew how to do my hair. But with Serge, I just looked at his body of work and it didn't matter what the model looked like or what the actress looked like, he, everyone looked amazing.

[00:37:06] But I do have someone that does, you're gonna point it. And our team is the best because they've always been open to that. We have a team that is made up of the most fantastic individuals who have never been opposed to learning different textures because they don't teach you different textures in beauty school, you learn on a mannequin with straight fine hair, even though only I wanna say it's about 10% of the population.

[00:37:44] Kadi: Yeah. But only 10% of the population has hair like yours. Most people have wavy or curly or self.

[00:37:54] Kadi: Yeah. And the population is only getting more diverse, so our hair textures are getting more diverse. Yeah. Seeing Sege know how to work with it. Hector and Ashley, two of our members who have been with us since the day we opened our doors, Hector practiced his blowouts on Micah and I, and or practiced styling curly hair on us.

[00:38:48] And that should never be the case. And even with coloring textured hair, it's once you do it, you know how to do it. But you've gotta do it at some point and you can't fake it and then it all just becomes hair. Ashley, who is one of our master colorists, she assisted me for five years before she went out on her own, and therefore, knows every texture of hair.

[00:39:40] And that felt pretty awesome. It was like, okay, like we're doing something here, so yeah, I don't know, I just think it's really nice to have a place where you can set your ground rules of like how you wanna exist at work, and then also know that others that look like you are welcome and that the people that you're working with are also on the same page.

[00:40:22] Kadi: Yes. I was first an assistant or an apprentice. Yeah.

[00:40:33] Kadi: You get promoted and then, yeah, you literally start with one client and then you, I built the old fashioned way before social media, where it was referrals. So again, I feel. I feel for anyone in this day and age because, the way that social media is used now, especially in the hair industry, it is like your resume. And, but I'll tell you that most of us who are at least 40 and up, 45 and up, because we built it just by word of mouth, sometimes I hardly post, because we're too busy and if the person is just posting all the time, it means that they have a lot of time on their hands, in my opinion.

[00:41:51] Kadi: Yeah. And now too, obviously we've evolved from just a service-based out the gate, to having now a product line. And we have to be on social media, obviously. It's like, for lack of better words, like Meta has you by the balls and you cannot build a business without it.

[00:42:39] But, the amount of time and resources it takes when you are already strapped thin for time and resources and you're navigating, the cost of just trying to launch a business like that, then you're navigating the unknown, like tariffs. Then you're navigating Yeah. You know how to be on social media and deal with real time events.

[00:43:33] Lindsay: Gotta have a sense of awareness that's different.

[00:43:59] Lindsay: It's a lot. And is it, what are you, really excited about right now about the product?

[00:44:44] We were like, salons can be peaceful, salons can be a place of respite. And the people may have been like, huh? At the time, we've been booked and busy since the day we opened. With our product line, it was clear and timing had a lot to do with it. When we launched it, it was obviously during, or right after the pandemic when people were dealing with a lot of stress and a lot of hair loss.

[00:45:58] Lindsay: Yeah, you should come back to Westport more often. I know some clients over here. So I did wanna ask you, because I love what you mentioned earlier in this conversation, just about your desire and you and Micah, I think, to have a place where people could have authentic conversations. What did you say? like the old school type of salon, the safe space where the exchange of ideas. What was that vision like? Can you explain more about what you were hoping really that would be? Because I loved that. I was like, Ooh, it's barber shoppy to me, ish.

[00:47:06] We just felt that okay, the appointment time may not be the right time to do it, but what if, the, since the space feels like our home, like what if like after hours we could turn it into a little salon where people come back and exchange ideas And, we were like, why not? So ironically enough, the first big dinner that we got together. And when we designed the space, we designed it so that all of our furniture is modular. So everything's on wheels. And it all forms into, our three outdoor stations come together and form like a marble bar. So when we're outside, we could easily set up like a station for champagne and, yeah. We're also the most highbrow, bougie bitches on the planet. So of course we were like, where are we serving the champagne?

[00:48:22] Kadi: Exactly. And we're like, Ugh. Do we get the Ruinart Blanc de Blancs or do we like, go up? I mean we're, just, we're very particular. And I love that for us. I love that about us, but we designed the space to have these amazing supper clubs and everything.The patio becomes a very big open area, because everything is so modular. So we had our first dinner on MLK day of 2020. Before the pandemic. Wow. 'cause we thought it would be a great idea to get different clients together, different races and religions and ages, which is also important. And talk about feminism and intersectionality. When it came to race and we were like, this could be spectacularly good. Or like really bad. And honestly, it was one of the best nights of my life. It was, we put all these women next to each other that they didn't know.

[00:49:34] Kadi: At the end, everyone had,

[00:49:38] Kadi: Yeah.

[00:49:39] Kadi: Yeah.We are in a big square. No one's back was to each other. There wasn't like off-conversations. We were in one conversation, which we led and then it went from there. We let it naturally, organically unfold. There were no photographs allowed. No videotaping allowed. We got some content before and after.

[00:50:47] And we started with these like patio chats, like on Instagram Live, where we continue talking about subjects that one could be, one could consider uncomfortable, which we never have because again, we started this blog never being uncomfortable with anything and never being afraid to talk about anything.

[00:51:30] Lindsay: It's, you assume, maybe what you think the other person is thinking or feeling. I think that's a key in not just social scenarios, but also in marriage, in relationships. It's like such a common mistake people can make. So how did you guys kick off that first conversation? Was it you that led the, like the group or, and what were, do you, maybe you can't talk about this 'cause I understand what you're saying about everyone feeling safe. But were there some key things that came out of that really blew you away, that were online with what you guys were talking about?

[00:52:49] And, the black women that were there raised their hands and most of the white women did not. And, and then some of the women who I guess you could call like not black or white, also did not. and some did. So that was an interesting kind of divide where, it's something that, depending on no fault of your own, just how you were born and what skin you were born in, you carry with you every day mostly because this country doesn't really let you forget. And then that was a huge eyeopener. And then another was how many people had friends, really true deep friends, of different races. And that was also eyeopening for most of black

[00:53:45] Kadi: Yeah. yeah, we were the only black people they knew most part, which I was like, guys, come on. Okay. Not all, but some, And so we, that was also mind blowing because I don't think people realize, again, how you can sometimes.

[00:54:34] Lindsay: And so what do you do with that and what, like with that information, those things that blew you away, what, do you take? How do you further what you realize in that moment or that realization? And I don't mean you, but I mean everyone understanding that is your… I think that's a great idea of doing that. Raising your hands.

[00:55:29] Kadi: I think especially if you're in a physical place where diversity may not exist, there's still surrounding towns that activities happen in. It starts with a curious parent. If the parent is curious and wanting that for their child, then the child's gonna get it no matter what. But there are people that couldn't care less, and of course then their child is going to grow up thinking it's not an important thing to have in their life. Having people of different walks of life surrounding them, some people may still disagree and say, it's not that important, and like, why focus so much on race, I happen to think it makes your life richer. And I know that because of all of the different kinds that I have, I love them all. My one litmus is just don't be a jerk. And like I have more words to say than jerk, but, just don't be that, be cool and we're cool. And. Yeah. I don't know. I think maybe I have also Westport to thank for that. I'm never been in a room where I never thought I belonged in that room. No one can make me think that.

[00:56:51] Kadi: Yeah. Like I'm comfortable anywhere and 90% of my clients are white women, so I have to know how to speak to them. But I want the cool ones. I want the ones that are nice. I want the ones that are open-minded and, and I think by just natural selection, it happens anyway. You find your people.

[00:57:43] What is the dialogue? And I think that's, really, that is just something I think about a lot. Like what, should we talk about that isn't just natural conversation that you would have, like what are experiences that should be at the forefront to be talking about, to be sharing? Does that make sense or is that...

[00:58:35] Lindsay: I love, I think that answer is great because I, because sometimes, I felt like I feel apprehensive, even asking that question because it seems really strange. But it's, but yeah, the way you just answered it, I think makes a lot of sense.

[00:59:12] Lindsay: And just ask. And just ask. It's just it's the same thing if you're.

[00:59:52] That person may have had a different starting point than you, and how do I maybe help that person along then I think we'll all be in a much better place. But if you erase that person's existence by thinking that it is kumbaya and there are no differences, then we're really not starting off well.

[01:01:07] So we're all starting from the same spot, And if we can agree that that's why you're here and we're gonna do our very best to get you there, then this is the place for you. And we've always just kept that very simple. It's been a nice thing to always go back to, we always, we started the company with our tagline was always like, beauty, wellness and conscious living.

[01:02:05] But then there are other brands that are known for that throughout their entire lifespan as a brand. and who's to say we're not gonna be as political as like a Ben and Jerry's, but we could also, we can have a point of view. And I think it's great to have that from the beginning so that people really don't ever get confused about where they ended up. We never want someone to even come to our social media and be like, "Stick to hair." Be like, "What? You made a wrong turn. That's not who we are. And we've never said that. That's who we are."

[01:03:05] What are those things like, just 'cause we're all human. We all have these relatable things out there, I don't know. Is there something looking back that, that falls into that category for you of one of the biggest things that no one tells you.

[01:03:24] Lindsay: Really, my gosh.

[01:03:57] And so I've become very depleted in the past. and really trying to like, have boundaries around that on how important it is to always carve out time for myself, because, at the end of the day, we're a startup. So there's a lot on my shoulders. I am, I work seven days a week.

[01:04:53] It's hard to run a business when there are unexpected tariffs that you're dealing with every single day, and your components and everything else may come from elsewhere. Even though we manufacture here, like you are never… you never have a day where you're like, “Everything's cool.” You're just like, “What is it today?” No one told me that.

[01:05:43] My clients have been really suffering with hair loss. We've made something that actually helps them with this problem. And for women in hair, it's everything. They'll tell you, oh, it doesn't really matter that much. It matters. Like I know from just being anywhere in the world, everyone wants to corner me and talk about their hair.

[01:06:38] But we talk about those things at the salon. “Okay, how long ago did you have your baby? Okay. Are you still on your prenatals? Okay. What are you eating” We talk about all of those things that no one even thought to talk about before, but it affects you. The stress that you go through, it affects your hair health, it affects your physical health, it affects your mental wellbeing, all of it. And usually the first sign of that stress is in your hair.

[01:07:11] Kadi: The first sign, and…

[01:07:14] Kadi: Yeah,

[01:07:18] Kadi: Thinning, the brittleness. And I would've never known a lot of this because when I started my career 25 years ago. When you're 20 years old, your hair is good, you're chilling. Yeah. You're, and right. And you think it's gonna be that way forever. And then you have your first child, and then you have your second child, and then you're like, wait a minute, why is my ponytail half as thick? Or, and then life stressors happen and you're like, huh.

[01:08:05] Lindsay: And is that what, during the appointment or just at any time in the salon?

[01:08:26] Lindsay: Do you wanna give a little teaser?

[01:08:46] Lindsay: That's exciting. Okay. Yeah.

[01:09:06] Lindsay: Yeah. All right. I have so much more to ask you, but I'm gonna have to save it for my next conversation with you. Okay. Which maybe will be in, in your salon. Yeah. We do, I love to end and just ask people what are three things no one knows about you?

[01:09:23] Lindsay: That you are interested to share

[01:10:09] Lindsay: What is it like there? What is the Golden Eye?

[01:10:35] Lindsay: Norman. Norman. Sign me up. That's my game. I love tennis.

[01:11:02] Lindsay: Do you play matches a lot?

[01:11:34] Lindsay: Oh, that's nice.

[01:11:48] Lindsay: Oh, that's very cool. Yeah. Kadi, congratulations on everything and just thank you for all that you shared and I just, there were so many just really cool things for me to take out of this conversation with you, so I really appreciate it. And, I hope our paths do cross again in person, maybe in Westport, but maybe in California.

[01:12:11] Lindsay: Or with Norman, on the fourth.

[01:12:17] Lindsay: I have a guy named Mo in Westport, who's a pretty great hitter.

[01:12:23] Lindsay: But thank you so much and, yes, we hope to chat soon.

[01:12:28] Lindsay: I loved so many things Kadi touched on in that conversation. but the one thing is I loved her story about Julia Roberts for one, but overall, I just think when Kadi was talking, I found myself Moved to the location where she does hair right in California and how peaceful that setting must be.

[01:13:08] And you guys didn't think I was gonna leave you hanging, did you? Of course not. If you follow me on social, you know that I love to do a Joke of the Day. So here's one in the lane of what we've been talking about. How does the moon cut his hair? Eclipse it. You love it.

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