In this episode we discuss all things paranormal with Paul and Jack from Paranormal Inc. What a year they have had and they detail some of the great evidence, locations and guests that have made up their event nights.

We also discuss their charity collaboration with Andy Man Club and how they are promoting mental health on this Mens Mental Heath Day. Check this amazing charity at https://andysmanclub.co.uk/

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It was almost a truck with mud.

I don't know what it was.

It was a flying saucer or what it was.

It wasn't an airplane.

It was not an airplane.

It was down awfully low.

You're listening to Pursuit of the Paranormal.

Podcast with your hosts, Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson.

Evening, Ash.

How's it going?

Greeting Greg.

I'm very, very well.

How are you?

Yeah, very good, very good.

Been a busy couple of weeks and we spoke last week on the episode where we talked about estes method EVPs.

That was really cool.

That was really cool.

So, yeah, they seem to go down well.

I've been talking to a lot of people about the Estes Method.

Yes.

Created quite a bit of discussion.

It was good.

Yeah, it was good.

I think also the fact that the whole aliens and whatnot coming through with Vampire from Saturn coming through and the Estes Method in the early days has been.

Been a bit of an eye opener.

And I was listening to one of the other podcasts about Frank's Box, which is a super cool device.

And he was actually told.

It came to him in like a dream.

This entity told him how to build this Frank's Box, told him to put certain things in there.

I didn't tell him why and he didn't understand why.

It was just like, this is.

I've just built it based on aliens telling me to do it, which is.

Yeah, that became this and that became the spirit box.

Yeah, it did.

It did.

So it's.

It's mad.

It's mad.

So it's been a bit of a weird, A weird week in terms of my understanding of the paranormal and equipment that we use for paranormal that didn't originally come from a paranormal side.

And it's interesting that, like, you've got the Mel Meter as well, which is another device that's used in the paranormal.

The guy invented it.

His daughter was called Melissa and she passed away as a child in a car accident.

And he developed all these different devices either as a way to sort of communicate with her or in recognition of her life.

So it's completely mental.

Completely mental.

I also, I also heard about another company releasing a new device coming up soon, a new app being released.

I tried to send you the video of it, Ash, and I don't think it's sent, but.

No, no, no, I'll show you that.

I'll show you that later.

I'll show you that later.

Awesome.

But yeah.

So what else you been up to?

Not what's.

Not what I was looking forward to today's.

Episode last time we had, well, one of these guys on, I, I was ill, I think.

Yeah.

So I couldn't make the episode.

Listen to.

It's a great episode.

Looking forward to being here this time for the chat to these guys on today as well.

It's a special day today and that is men's mental health day.

So it's super cool that we get to talk to these guys and they'll explain a bit more about how that's impacting them as well and what they're doing.

And we were fortunate enough to meet them two weeks, a week, week and a half ago.

Ten days ago, Parachat uk, where they also done a talk alongside us and the girls and everyone about Paranormal Inc. And the future of that.

So welcome along Jack and Paul.

How we doing?

Good, thank you.

All good?

All good.

Welcome.

Nice.

Nice of you to.

To join us.

Welcome back, Jack, and welcome.

Paul was going to be on with us last time, but didn't make 10.

I'll tell you what, I don't mind saying it.

We used to use a particular program and the amount of people that had problems trying to connect on that.

Yeah, I had to sell my own podcast.

I'm sure I sell my own podcast to try and get on.

I don't know what I was doing, but yeah, I'll let you know when first episodes are.

It wasn't cheap.

No, it wasn't cheap.

That cost us a lot of money.

Yeah.

And yeah, we, towards the end it just ran into problems after problems.

So now we're on another platform and it seems a lot easier.

Everybody knows how to use this particular platform because it was the platform that everybody used at the first, the early days of COVID wasn't it?

Family quiz.

I've got some questions ready for you guys today.

It's funny to say that because last week we actually used it to.

To play the clips that we used in the episode as well.

So we, we, we sort of got back into the whole sharing screen.

PowerPoint.

Anyway, how are you guys?

What have you guys been up to?

And we'll get sort of a quick up to date with Paranormal Ink before we talk everything else.

So how's this since we last spoke to you, which was a few months ago now, Jack.

Yeah, yeah.

What you guys been up to?

Where you been?

What locations you been to?

What?

I haven't lived into it.

Hey, that's the question.

It's.

It's been a mental few months really.

I think I, I actually think these last few months have probably been A real stronghold.

Us as a company, as a brand, as a team as well.

Because a lot of things just happened in a good way.

And I almost think it's got us ready for, obviously, what we're going to talk about later on today, but also moving into next year, I think it's almost sat down with the guys.

And for me, the first year, I think for people who listen to this and for people who are trying to build a business and stuff like that, the first year is just one of those where you almost go, right, okay, I've got my heart set on this.

This is what it's going to look like.

And throughout the last first three months, you sat there and you're going, my poster designs changed, my colors changed, my logo started to change.

And I actually think we've probably found ourselves in the last three months.

I think that's probably the best way to put it and what we want to do as well.

One of the events which you guys have been on with us on Ash, but Greg, you.

Comes Pendle.

It was.

It was a crazy, crazy event.

There was so many people there.

And I think from my point of view, I say this to the team and, you know, I'm happy to say this.

It was an absolute lesson learned from me of how not to run an event.

And, you know, I'm going to be critical of myself.

There was way too many people there and it wasn't what we're about.

It wasn't what we were about at all.

And one of the customers, our tagline is go something done differently.

I remembered at this time and they asked us, what's different about you guys?

And obviously I did this on the presentation at piratechat about what is different about us.

And I think the last three months, for me, as you know, it's made me realize what does make us different.

Where I want to go into the next year with Paul, Jasmine and Lee and really make a difference, make a difference to the people, to our customers, but also give customers a bit of a different experience rather than try and shove as many people into a room and, you know, just have this crazy madness of a paranormal investigation and not have any structure to it.

I think from my point of view, being able to actually make sure that people come to the event and go, we enjoyed that.

That was good.

And we can understand, we want to book again with these guys.

And it's not because cheap, it's not because they've got discount scores hanging out of the backside or anything like that.

It is purely because of Us for we are good people and that's it.

I don't.

Paul, I don't know if you've got anything to add on to that.

No, no.

Yeah.

We've ended the year really well, aren't we?

We've got two sold out events, last one half sold out and I don't think we've really had a bad event, have we?

To be fair, we had a quiet October to say it's Halloween and should be the busiest time.

But yeah, yeah, I mean we've had, I mean we've had some good venues like Keith Underground which I know you guys have done that.

Northeast, Northeast SC Land Museum which from my point of view that was a nice little, little tick box for me.

A little win.

Yeah.

So I used to work for a company up in the northeast and it was almost when I started this I was like I'm not going to touch any of the venues up there.

I'm not going to do it just out of.

I'm going to be nice.

And the Northeast Land CNI Museum, if you guys have never been, it's an amazing venue.

Really, really cool.

I mean Greg, I know you're into planes.

There's planes everywhere.

It's really, really cool.

There's a bunch of farmer there, you can see in them.

It's really, really cool.

And stu a investigation round an RAF museum is just pretty cool.

Like it's a.

But as a venue as well, it's active.

It's really, really active.

So again one of the things which I want to do is just give good venues to people.

You know, that's part of my events.

And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do it.

And to say that I can sell out in a location which is three hours away from where we are, I was, I was pretty sure.

Definitely, definitely.

No, that's super cool.

That's super cool.

And so let's go back a little bit.

So last time when I spoke to you Jack, we talked about your intro to the paranormal.

So as you're now joining us Paul, it's a good opportunity.

We, when we talk to people we like to get their origin story as to how you got into the paranormal, why you got into the paranormal and, and really sort of even then how you got into Paranormal Inc.

So how did it all start for you?

By accident really.

I was, I was bought tickets to the Preston Playhouse which is where we're going on Saturday.

So we're going back to where it all began.

Just bought tickets, didn't know what to Expect I never even knew stuff like this happened.

To be fair, I didn't know there was these sort of companies.

So went along, sat there at first not knowing anyone, and I thought, it's just full of weirdos.

Yes, you had it.

You had a guy in like an anorak and he was holding a teddy that flashed.

And I'm like, what.

What are we doing here?

And then we stood around and he did the opening prayer and that, and I was like, oh, my.

You know, like when you're in school and you had your eyes open and everyone's like that and you're just smirking.

But yeah, it was really interesting.

It was an active night.

It was just really interesting.

And.

And it's just walking around buildings in the middle of the night that you can't do.

You don't get to see that side of the building, do you?

So it's a history as well.

Yeah.

And then I booked onto another one and then went from there, really.

It's just kind of snowballed to doing it week in, week out now.

So did you.

Did you sort of grow up with a fascination for the paranormal or.

Or how.

I never give it a second thought.

Okay.

To be fair, my.

My grandma, she had a. I suppose you can call it a paranormal experience.

In hospital, she was diagnosed with cancer.

And then the next day, she didn't have cancer, but she said she's seen the light and she said it wasn't her time to go, all that.

So that's happened.

And then before I moved to Preston, I lived in a haunted house.

I think I mentioned to the other day.

I didn't really know it was haunted until someone mentioned it.

Didn't bother me at all.

I didn't notice anything.

But I think now more being into it, you can kind of tell when you walk into a building.

I'm kind of looking for it now.

It's weird, but yeah.

And then I went down the route of watching all the programs, you know, on YouTube, and now, funnily enough, I don't watch any of them.

I used to binge watch them all and everything, all the American ones, and now I just don't.

Why do you think you don't watch them now?

I don't know.

I still watch some of the American ones because I'd love to go to America.

I just want to experience and see if it's like what it is on YouTube or if it's all.

Do you know what I mean?

Because they seem to be mental over there, the venues.

It's Weird because we.

We interview a lot of people from America and it just seems insane over there all the time.

There's like every other building seems to be haunted.

Every other building seems to.

To like have loads of weird stuff happening.

So it's.

I think it probably is similar to.

Yeah, I did ask Kalani when we seen him, but he didn't give too much away.

He just said, mate, you make your own mind up.

So.

Cool.

Yeah.

So.

So what led you to buy those tickets for that first event?

Because if I didn't, I was a present.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Yeah, it was.

It wasn't even for me either.

It was for Laura, my girlfriend.

Yeah, she got.

Bought him just a random.

Her dad just buys a random stuff and then.

Yeah, we just went along.

Wow.

Reason.

Yeah, I can't remember what the second venue was.

Right.

Not Norbrecht.

Yo, Norbrecht.

That's it.

The UK's most haunted castle.

Which unbelievably.

I was working for a different company.

No, there was Pendle.

I met you at Pendle first, Jack.

Did you?

Yeah, he was there as a customer.

Ah, okay.

There you go.

And then I met.

I seen you again.

Nor Bre.

As an employee.

That's it.

Yeah.

So how did you.

How did that sort of move into being involved with Power Inc. And Jack?

Well, I started working for Spirit Seekers then.

So after going to a few events, I think I went to probably five or six events.

And then you get talking to people.

Jack.

I think Jack put my name forward.

Jasmine maybe put my name forward as well.

And then I got a trial.

Trial shift, did a couple of them and then.

Yeah, I just think it was a loophole me to do what I love for free and get a page ready.

Yeah.

So there's some traveling with that, I think I traveled up to Sunderland to the Northeast Air Museum, like three hours away, three hours there, three hours back, five hours there.

It was a long trip.

That's me coming up north and coming back down south of the weekend just to see me.

Greg.

Absolutely.

That's the only reason I was gonna say.

I think Greg's got a good reason to come up all that way.

I'd say.

Basement.

Yeah.

So how has your sort of perception of the paranormal change from buying those first or having the tickets.

Yeah.

To now sort of being part of an event company that runs nights.

How you've obviously now seen it from both sides.

Yeah.

How's it.

Has your.

Has your perception of the paranormal changed at all from being going in with no knowledge whatsoever to now sort of having an understanding of locations and yeah, yeah, definitely.

Like the guy who is wearing an anorak holding a teddy.

They're not weirdos now.

They're just, you know what I mean?

It's, it's one of them things you just want to.

You want to.

You're always looking for that one piece of evidence that you can't explain that the ideal one would be somewhat caught on camera like a full apparition.

But yeah, it's like you're chasing a high all the time.

Is it?

And every time you go to a new venue you're excited.

It's, it's honestly better than going out drinking on a weekend to be fair and four years ago, five years ago, I probably wouldn't have said that.

It's mad, isn't it?

It's mad.

I get what, I get what you're saying about the chase in the high because we'll go to locations that me and Ash will just go out to wherever and weird stuff will happen.

And the next time you go out somewhere you're like, I hope it's like when we went to X location or we've heard so many good things about this particular location and say somebody said they saw this or some this happened for somebody else and there's.

I don't think people who are not into it don't know if that makes sense get no what it is.

But I think it's the same as like football fans go to watch football and they get that rush when the team scores.

It's that kind of wow.

Did everybody just hear that knock or do you hear that whisper?

Or we went to Priest Cottage and we, we all heard a laugh and we're just like what the hell was that?

And it was just like when is.

When do you have that kind of experience in any other.

You can't explain it to people or can you?

Like people say oh, did you see?

And it's like it's not really.

You don't see anything.

It's hard to explain unless you go because obviously a lot of it's equipment based and scientific and stuff like that.

But I find it hard to try and sell it to people because people are like oh yeah, I'll go and they never do.

And then.

But you know that once they go, once they'll go again.

It's just getting people to book that thing first, first event and they'll, they'll be hooked on.

It's funny because you speak to people and I, I speaking to somebody at work and they were Like, I could never do that, could never do that.

Petrifies me.

But then when you couple minutes later, they go, well, my dad, he had an experience when he was growing up, or everybody knows somebody who's had some kind of weird paranormal experience.

So you mentioned that you lived in the, this haunted house.

Yeah.

What kind of weird stuff had happened that you were told?

Because you mentioned you were told about it as well.

Yeah.

And did you, did you get any weird look now, knowing what you know, did you have any of that kind of stuff happening there?

Yeah, Laura, my partner, told me like there was like she came and it was a second floor flat.

We own the whole property.

But I lived on the second floor.

Well, the top two floors and I had the couch in front of the door, onto the stairs.

Looks like it was like someone was watching you kind of thing.

She got that feeling.

Fridge doors opened.

I had a mirror off the wall and that flipped over, got turned over, no one had touched it.

Just stuff like that.

But ever since she mentioned it, I couldn't get it out of my head then.

And I was like, yeah, I don't like this place.

I don't like this place at all.

I couldn't walk around in the dark by myself, but I lived there for about two years by myself and it didn't bother me.

And then as soon as she starts getting these feelings.

Yeah, it's, yeah, I didn't like it.

That's like when we go to the venues though.

So like I would walk into a venue.

So like if I've never been there before, or even let's say you walk around a venue during the day and you just walk around and even if like you're in the, like.

I'll give Nelson so the Northeast Museum as an example, because I actually visited that to take pictures for the website during the day and I was the only person walking around there during the day.

And you're walking into the hangar, you're absolutely fine, you know, fine whatsoever.

But actually if it was on an event at night, it was like, right, okay, go into that hangar where it's really, really dark on your own.

No, I'm all right, thank you.

It's weird in it that all of a sudden as soon as either you've got the experience of someone says, well, did you see that?

Or what about this?

All of a sudden you sat there and your mind changed.

And I think that's like with customers as well.

We say all the time, you know, we, we, we always said, this isn't tv.

You're not going to get stuff thrown at your head or anything like that.

And if you do, you've probably caught something absolutely fantastic, your Aggie thing.

But like, like Paul said, it's a tap or a blank, or you sat there and you're going, you know what?

We.

We've had the cat balls go off and it's unexplained why cat balls have gone off.

And, and one thing which is different and we've probably seen this quite a lot now, Paul.

Now we do events and obviously we do events and we also do like our own little investigations on our own too.

I think when it comes to events, we're probably a little, a little bit more leading on.

If something goes on, like an EMF spark or something like that, you start to go, oh, that's really, really cool.

That's amazing.

That's amazing.

Whereas if an EMS spikes, when it's us as a group together doing like a TikTok live, you'd be sat there going, okay, cool, can you do that again?

And I think actually, again, it's being able to not exaggerate because that's the wrong term, but actually give off that experience to that customer.

Because that's actually really.

If I had an EMS spark on my first ever event as a paranormal investigator happening here.

This is so cool, you know what I mean?

And I think it's actually being able to go, that that's cool that's happened.

It's almost like you become seasoned.

It's like scoring a goal at football.

You'll be using football terms there.

You score a goal when you're first as a kid, you're running around, shirts off and what have you.

Whereas the only get you score a goal, scored a goal.

And I think it's like that.

It's weird, isn't it?

It is strange.

Yeah.

It's not enough that now like you, you have to.

You're after stuff flying across the room now.

Like, that's the next thing.

Yeah.

Especially when you've had mad stuff happen.

Like, sort of like you say, oh, we only score one goal, score four.

That I want that highest going four in a game.

Not just one, one goal, like the chase, like I said, go back to that high.

Chasing that high of like just the, the adrenaline effort it gives you is.

Yeah, it's good.

And it's hard to replicate that.

And like say for you, for you guys giving that experience to the customer, like an esbite might be not much to us, but.

So then that's what they could talk about for years.

That's their one.

Maybe that's the only event they ever do and they're going to talk about that experience for years like in their heads.

I think that's.

That's good.

I mean give you an example on Saturday like I love Saturday.

I mean we.

We know Carl Harmless Sonic hall is a great venue and it's a venue that I want to go and do on our own alive because I absolutely do believe that the venue is haunted.

But on Saturday night we had quite.

Quite night generally not a lot happened.

We had bits but we had a lot of new customers there as well.

So we were.

We had people there who've never done it but a few people who were seasoned investigators too.

But again it was still quite n. But two or three customers from that have all come back and like yeah yeah we'll book on next year or let us know when you're about and it just shows actually.

And again it goes back to us as a group that actually people aren't booking on because laws have happened.

They're booking on because it's a good group of people to be with and hopefully find that high with as well.

Yeah, I think it's important.

I think it's important the.

The group of people you're with.

If you have a good group of people it makes the night for two.

Definitely the energy.

The energy as well.

It's one of them.

We came off the high though from Milam, didn't we?

Millen was the one before that and that was just us and that was such a good night.

And then.

Yeah.

So tell us about.

I've seen the.

Some video footage of some things that happened.

Can you des.

Cuz I was.

Me and Sarah were out and we were.

We'd gone to some new location.

Oh it was soft on it Greg.

And then.

Then we were.

We were watching your.

Wow.

Yeah, you're live.

And then you'd.

I think you sent me the clip as well Jack afterwards.

So yeah.

Describe what happened.

What.

What made me laugh about that.

It was hilarious.

So literally you joined right after I was halted over on.

So calm the down because everyone like it just happened and like I was on my phone and I was like.

Because obviously we.

We had loads of people.

I was like guys, did you hear what has just happened?

And you just popped up.

Hi Jack.

It's like you just missed it.

Like you just like literally if you would have joined 10 minutes earlier you would have heard or seen what we saw.

I mean the night Melon for me if I'M gonna book some wine.

I'm gonna know that I will get activity.

Milam is the place to go.

The downside of Milan is.

Is in the middle of nowhere and it's such a hard place to get to.

It's.

It's a really, really weird place.

But if you can go.

I was saying this to, to the girls too go like if you want to come with us one time, come with us.

Because if you can get the energy right in that place, yeah, definitely you will have some good experiences, some great experiences.

Energy related.

That place like you massive.

The first time I went there was one customer, me and Laura, and that was it.

And it was a dead night.

That place feeds off energy, like really, really.

So throughout the night we had little bits apart from.

We were stood on the, on the, on.

On the floor next to the stage and we heard a big bang on the stage.

Now the bang that we heard, me and Paul have heard this the previous time and where the bang happens.

Unfortunately, I mean fortunately for us, but unfortunately for the people, his relations.

There was a man who had a heart attack on the stage.

I think I'm going to say around about 10 years ago.

So it's quite recent.

Fifteen.

Yeah.

But it's really well known that, that he's there.

Really well known.

And you're almost.

When you walk in, you are drawn straight away to that stage.

It's just one of the things, you know when you're like, you know, you know you're drawn straight there now on Saturday.

So when we were there, the girls.

So we split off into two groups.

We were doing an SB11 session and again we actually got really good stuff on SB11.

We got names through as well, didn't we?

Basically we were asking questions and it was split up.

Boys, girls.

So we split up and we were with.

Forget me, not paranormal.

So Karen and Chantelle, who we go with sometimes, they went downstairs into its practice room now and it's got like ballet mirrors.

So.

And they were doing.

I always get this word wrong.

Sky.

Scrying, scrying.

There we go.

And they were saying that they had loads of stuff, didn't they happen?

And if like it was a really tense atmosphere down there, so we, we went down again as a full group and Karen, she.

She had a bit of a trial thing for us to do, which was really cool.

I really enjoyed this one.

I'm not one for Ouija boards or anything like that.

Not because I'm scared of it.

I just.

I'm a bit like that with it.

I don't know whether I believe in it or not.

And I think I've never been able to do it with a group of people that I trust to know that it's not them moving it.

Anyway, there was us four.

I trust these guys.

And it was really cool, actually.

We were blindfolded and we had this planchette.

I've got it here, actually.

But it's.

It's.

Here's the clay.

She's made it from a.

It's a corner shelf from a bathroom and she's got wheels on it.

Right.

And the idea is.

Is basically your blindfolders and it's just basically reducing one of your sensors down and you build the energy up.

And she puts two notes down, yes or no.

And you ask questions, yes or no, yes or no, then that they need to be your answers and you build up the energy.

We don't know where the yes or no is, by the way.

And ideally, the yes or no, the answers to the questions where she stood away and she's able to write down the questions that we're asking and note down the answer that they give if it gives any answers.

And we felt like onet was moving massively, didn't we?

Yeah.

But actually, when you look back on video, probably moves about that much.

It's time him out.

But the energy coming off that table was just unbelievable.

It was wild.

I've never had an experience like that before and I've never felt a planet move at all.

And that definitely 100% moved.

Anyway, we come off it and Jasmine wanted to do some scrying again, didn't we?

Yeah.

So we all stood around her.

I was on live and we were all surrounded away from where we were and basically it just went quiet.

But where we were all sat on the chairs that were sat, they were all creaking and it was like someone was getting up and down, getting up and down, but on each one.

And it kept going around, kept going around.

And all of a sudden it was bang.

And there was a huge bank on the.

It was a trestle table.

Everyone.

It was so funny because everyone was wild going, oh, my God.

I was like, shut up, there might be a banger.

They can't just listen out.

And we went round, didn't we?

And the only noise that it were was it was a fist or a bike on the table.

It couldn't have been anything else.

You can't explain it.

Like, the energy that must have took to do that.

It wasn't like a nice, I'm here Tap.

It was a violent bang.

Yeah.

I've seen the video clip in this.

And like, I promise you now, Jasmine was here, Lee was stood up next to us.

Paul and Laura behind me.

Chantelle and Karen.

You can see Chantelle and Karen in the video.

Nobody's nowhere near that table where the noise comes from.

The only way.

We was all focused on the chairs because the noises they were making, that was literally like someone was sitting in them.

And you can just hear me on the video going about them chairs and then all of a sudden, boom.

Can't even explain it.

It's mad.

So that's a.

That's a pretty wild one.

I've seen the video and obviously just missed the live.

What is.

What would you say if it's not.

That would be the.

The craziest bit of evidence or experience that you guys have had whilst doing it.

Bother you?

Oh, have you got anything on top of your head?

I mean, for.

I'm going through this weird phase at the moment where I'm seeing figures and I don't like it.

Wow.

And yeah, I need.

I need to properly just almost look into.

Well, I. I know the reason why.

I do know the reason why.

And I'm not saying like I'm a medium or anything like that.

I just think I've done that many of them.

I'm just opening as helpful to it.

I generally do.

And I think it's almost like Laura did it.

Tones down all, didn't she?

It's almost like you can almost second guess where something's going to happen and it happens.

It's weird.

We did, we did.

I can talk about it now because we're not doing it next year, but we did a trial event at Stanley palace in Chester and I mean, the venue itself is really, really cool.

But I walked in, I was saying to the gas a figure here and I literally went all this way.

When I saw the figure, I was like, it's here.

Like, I drew big and I couldn't see it.

Closed it.

Wow.

It's weird.

And I'm get like my.

The first ever time that happened were at Carsonic hall on our trial.

And it just seems like it happens.

And for me it's a personal experience, like nobody else can see that, but it's weird because I've never had that before.

Is it the same character, the same sort of figure?

No, no.

Which is even scarier because then that again you.

You open up this thing of like, what can I see?

And yeah, it's weird.

It's really, really Weird.

I don't like it and I think I'm trying to fight it back as much as possible because it's almost like, where does it stop?

Do you get what I mean?

Like I'll be walking down the street with my family and it's like, see a lot of dead people.

Yeah, it's weird.

It's really, really weird.

That's a personal experience.

But from our event experience, there's lots happened this year.

The Carlisle.

I'll take it back to Carlisle.

The first time we was there when we were stood in the function room and we had the kettle switch on in the kitchen, that was solid.

There was no one in there.

You know when you can hear a kettle being pushed down past boiling point, you know if you keep your finger on it and it keeps boiling.

And then the second time we were there with customers, we put a music box in the kitchen.

We was all in the function room, music box triggered off again.

There's just loads of stuff in that building.

Upstairs in one of the little dressing rooms, the spiritual crap.

I didn't really give it much credit before this, to be honest.

I just.

It's always a good way to start, you know, if you get a name through a summer, you know, rather than like a like where do you start kind of thing, it gives you a starting point.

It came out with Liam, a lad who comes with me.

It came out of his name and then it insulted him, saying he stinks.

And then a cat, and then a cat ball went off, right.

So it was like name insult, cat ball went off, right.

And then Jasmine's name came out, insulted her cat ball went off.

So I was like, the names, yeah, they can come out.

It might be listening to you, you don't know.

But for then an insult as well.

And then the cat ball, it was a pattern, so that was pretty cool.

And then evidence wise as well.

At Millen I got scratched like four scratch marks down my leg.

So there's been so much happening this year.

I.

It's just been.

Yeah, it's been really good.

I've never been scratched before and stuff like that.

Do you think that.

Do you think that there's like been a build up?

So it's like it's gradually you're getting more and more stuff happening and.

Yeah.

Is that maybe because you as a group are quite a tight group?

Yeah, I mean so like because me and Ash go out, we.

We have stuff happen to us and we've been, we've been doing this for five years now sort of together and we'll go out and then we meet up with the girls and then they obviously have some wild stuff happen.

Yeah.

And then the last time we were with the, the twins that we had like some of the, the crazy stuff with the laugh and, and everything like that.

But because I think we built this relationship bond up between the four of us and obviously you guys go out now every week, two weeks, every month or however frequently that you guys like you just mentioned Jack.

You've got this trust that you've built up between you, you all.

Yeah.

And I think there is something to be said about that kind of tightness of a group that you all trust each other.

You're probably more open with each other because you so close in what you do that maybe that's having an impact.

It's all energy related.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I did say, I said to Jack, after what happened at Millen, I said we need to try and figure out how to give customers that experience because it's always hard when you've got new customers or you know, people who've never done anything.

And it's like you have to start at the beginning, you know, like baby steps.

We.

It's hard to sometimes it's probably hard to build that energy because we're focusing on the customers, the customers.

If the customers aren't calling out because they feel stupid or it's one of them.

We do.

We need to find a way to put the same energy and give the customers the same experience that we had.

Yeah, it's that.

That's what we need to do.

There's got to be a way to do it.

It's funny you mentioned about your, you mentioned, Paul, about your first, your first ghost hunt because that's what I, I had my first one bought for me as well by my ex and we went to Warwick Castle and I didn't know what to expect.

Obviously I'd seen Most Haunted.

Like everybody else had big shout, a parachute to everybody who went up on the stage and mentioned Most Haunted.

Everybody slates it, but everybody watched it anyway.

So I went to Warwick Castle and we were standing in a group of people and they were like getting us to do like this like prayer thing.

And I very much like you, Paul.

I was just keeping my eye open, going, what the.

What the is going on here?

What.

What have I just let myself in for?

And then from then it was just like, you know what?

This is pretty cool.

I, I can, I can see myself doing a bit of this.

And yes, is.

Is how do you what you ideally want is you want that first timer to have the experience of somebody who's been a couple of times so they get that kind of.

That kind of weird awkwardness out.

The way that you just mentioned Paul about calling out.

There's nothing weirder and awkward than standing.

There going, I think I'm only just getting.

I think I'm only just getting used to that.

You know, like I said before, my confidence.

I would have never done a podcast.

Last year, you asked Jack.

I used.

We used to have a WhatsApp meetings and I used to leave my camera facing the ceiling or something like that and just talk.

Dump saw more of his cat than we did of his face.

Yeah.

So it's one of them.

It's.

Yeah, you just need to get them used to it.

But.

How did you find parachat then?

Because obviously standing up in front of loads of people is quite daunting.

Even I was before we went up on parachute.

I said to Sarah, said, I'm really nervous.

Yeah.

I didn't really say much to be fair.

I came out of a few onlineers, but I think Jack did amazing.

But, yeah, maybe, who knows, maybe next year I might be up to actually speaking.

Like, I'm not gonna lie, I myself, when Jack sent me the itinerary for tonight, it was like, basically, Paul, the first half is about you.

And then, yeah, I'll just chip in at the end.

I was like, oh, no.

And then when you went, it's recorded as well for YouTube.

And I was like, oh, no.

Well, you've done a cracking job, Paul.

Yeah, you've done a cracking job.

You've done a cracking job.

It is daunting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Me and Ash, we.

We don't tend to have meetings as such.

We just.

We just talk for hours doing this offline podcast.

Yeah.

And then.

Right, we better get on with it.

And then.

So we've actually set up our own goals for next year, which I.

We've never done that before.

This is.

We.

We're coming up to five years now.

We've.

We've never had a plan, really.

We've just been doing it, haven't we?

So it'll be interesting to hear what your plans are.

And you've got something big that you want to talk about based on the fact that is World Mental Men's Mental Health Day today.

Yeah.

Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

Yeah.

So I. I mean, I'll go back to when we first started Paranormally.

Yeah.

I had this dilemma in my head of it goes back to not again wanting to be a bit different, not.

And not wanting to be like again.

I'm not slagging off any companies that do this because like I said, at par.

Par chap.

Every single company, if they can manage to weather the storm in this industry, they've done an amazing job.

And if they can keep going, it's fantastic.

At the end of the day, we need companies like, because it gives customers experience.

Those customers that go to one company.

Generally, I. I'm not my customers.

There's a customer that comes to our events, we'll go to different events, they'll go to different clubs.

And it's because of those experiences that keep people coming along and having a look online.

We need that.

We really, really need that for all of us, our sake.

But I wanted to be different.

And in my head I was like, charity, do it for charity.

And then when you sit back and you go, okay, how much is this going to cost?

How much a venue costs, how much does the website cost?

How much does the Pop and Chris cost every night?

And all of a sudden you sat there going, I can't take that out of my own.

Like, I will be absolutely 30 grand in debt and absolutely through the road, I'm like, I'm not doing this, I can't do that.

So I need to build a business plan where eventually we can get to the point where we can start giving back.

And we spoke about it all the time, aren't we, Paul, about wanting to be able to do something where we can say, we are doing this for X, Y and Z.

So it was at the house that cries our conversation of, I want to work for a charity or work with a charity, sorry.

And obviously, you know, Lee.

I actually thought Lee would choose something possibly to do with support after large operations or, you know, changes to, you know, Leah Blossom.

Whimsical.

I thought he would choose that, but Lee actually chose and I actually think it's a really good charity.

It's a charity where I've experienced possibly needs for this and I think, I imagine most men have as well.

He chose Andy's Man Club and for me, I reached out to Andy's Man Club because it was one of these.

It was like, give us a few different charities and I'll say, you know, I don't want to just pigeon all down one.

And all of a sudden they not a great company to work with and stuff like that.

I start on a call with the marketing manager and this man club and it's almost like you don't realize that actually they are.

They're a big charity.

They're a huge.

They've got marketing departments, they've got billing, you know, they've got all these different departments.

You don't realize that, dear, behind, you know, beyond what they are.

And very similar to the conversation that me and you had on the last pod, Greg, where she's talking about why we do this.

And then it's almost.

She sat there and she's going, you're perfect for us because you just talk.

And it's almost like if you can open up to people who go to your event and almost do that reverse thing where they suddenly start talking to you, even if they're just talking about paranormal and stuff like that, actually it's creating that, you know, that environment where people feel comfortable to come to.

And actually, you know, Paul just mentioned, you know, like a guy in like an hour rack with a teddy and stuff like that.

And it's a weird thing to do.

It is such a strange thing.

And actually people.

For me, paranormal is about people coming out of the shells.

That that is.

And being the true real self.

Because you do not walk around in an office with AMF thing dear, asking for people to speak out.

Well, you might do it depends on, you know what I mean.

Like it's something which you possibly do blind claw doors in the dark with another bunch of people who like the same thing.

And Andy's man club, for me, it matches that really well.

So I am pleased to say I'm really, really pleased.

Yeah, we've got some really cool things for next year.

Really cool things.

We are teaming up with the guys at Real Paranormal to host two charity events at the lodge.

The guys, Stars and Gibsy have been very, very nice and agreed to support us with that.

So any proceeds on tickets made from that event all going to charity.

So I've worked out if it sells out.

Probably looking at 4 or 500.

Amazing.

Which is a hell of a lot of money.

Yeah, really, really good.

And the.

The reason why we're raising money.

And again, one thing that Sasha in the W team said is we don't want money.

Generally we don't.

We don't want money.

It's awareness that we want.

But raising money for Andy's man club, it enables Them to go to different areas and open more clubs for people to go to, for men to go to.

So I've been asking for donations at our events for the last two months.

I would say just cheeky when we're doing coffee and tea at break and stuff like that.

If someone's having a break, I don't ask for money for it, I just ask for a two quid donation.

You know, we've got like a QR code and so far, I mean, like I said, considering that we've only just announced it, we've done 70 pound of pre character.

Amazing.

We did 50 quid.

A power chat.

Yeah, I was gonna say there's.

You were pushing that hard apparently, in a good way.

It's just, it's just really cool and I just, I think it's relatable.

I think people know people who have struggled.

I think it's in the news, you know.

Ricky Atom unfortunately passed away.

He was in a really, really bad way.

He's a celebrity, he's got all this money, he's a successful boxer.

But actually you tackle that away and all of a sudden you've got people who need these places to go to.

They've got 360 locations across the UK and we need to get more.

So we as paranormal Link, we as the paranormal group paranormal, you know, we are going to go and spread the word next year and if I can sit here in 12 months, Simon, whether it's on this pod, Greg, or whether it is, you know, whatever we're doing this time in 12 months, I can say we've done this, this and this and all of a sudden we've, we've made a difference.

It sounds really dramatic to say we saved a life.

If somebody takes a business card and gives it to the son, brother, uncle, friends, whoever, dad, and all of a sudden they go to a club local to them and they start talking.

For me, you have saved a life.

Because it could end up a hell of a lot worse.

Yeah, there's a few things we want to do in there.

There's like a road trip.

We want to do like a paranormal road trip trip, you know, do a couple of venues, maybe Friday, Saturday, Sunday, down south where we wouldn't normally go.

There's another one.

My idea was a stream in a haunted venue for 24 hours or there's loads of different fun things today.

So amazing.

And you've just said one word and that is what it's all about.

This, this for us is about having fun and building that energy and Being able to have paranormal experiences but also like you said Paul, just giving people that chance to be able to have an experience.

And you know like we're going to be doing merch and so we're going to be doing hoodies, T shirts, hats, percentage of money made.

Again we donated charity.

One of the things which I do want to do is work with you guys, work with different groups, you know, work with the twins.

There's so many groups obviously we're really good friends with who I, you know, I think as soon as you start mentioning the reason why you want to do it also everyone goes absolutely.

It's a great cause.

Definitely, definitely.

And like with the mental health stuffing we've all had kind of good and bad experiences with it and one of our two charities that we raise money for this year is mind which is another mental health charities.

We, we've had guests that unfortunately have lost their battles of mental health in, in the past couple years.

So that's when it's quite sort of close to us as well.

And like I say about these having these safe spaces and be there to go to event if you're just talking about the paranormal, having somewhere to go to talk about the paranormal like at UFO identified we host monthly meetings across the northwest where you can just come and talk about UFOs because there's not really anywhere else you can do that where you can go and meet like minded people about people thinking that you're crazy.

We pride ourselves on giving people that platform, giving people the opportunity to talk and in similar ways Andy's Man Club where it's just about talking and this is absolutely crazy but my streams was refreshed on Facebook and MIND adverts come up.

That's just so I just saw it on my second screen.

Mind advert.

Yeah.

No it is great and we'll definitely be working together at some point on that that so we're.

Good luck with, with that.

It's a great, it's a great stuff.

You're doing one thing which we do want to do, me and Paul have all said it is we want to do the grounding experiment.

We are going to come on a UFO with you guys and do that.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Where we were.

I'll tell you what that night was insane when we went out to Delamere and we had so many different things happen and we, we've done the CE5.

It's funny because after that parachat conversation the guys at psi message and was like we want to do CA5 with you guys we wanna, we wanna try that.

And it was mad.

We're just sat in the middle of a forest and it all starts kicking off.

Yes, it's.

It's.

It's really.

Like we said with the seance you guys were saying about stripping it back.

It's.

We've done that with the sounds of Priest Cottage and it all starts kicking off.

And I think to work with other teams, I think is.

Is the way forward.

We'd love, love to do stuff with you guys for definite.

Well, I know we talked about going Delamere, I think, because Delamere.

Getting everybody to Delamere would be a mad experience.

And again, it's great for mental health people that spend time with people who are going through similar things.

Like you mentioned, Jack, paranormal was quite a niche thing.

And you say that you kind of go around an office and you don't really talk about the fact that you go ghost hunting in a weekend because people expect you to go, I went down the pub and watched football.

You know, actually I spent money.

Yeah.

Spent my nights in.

In a building with all the lights off, shouting and calling out for.

For ghosts.

Come and tap me or let me know that they're there.

It's not a normal thing.

It's not a normal thing.

So to be able to have a safe space where we can all.

We can all.

Like the last couple of weeks there, there's been a collective of people come together for.

For similar reasons and we've all sort of created this bond which has been really cool.

And I know that the girls are looking at the women's side of the mental health etc, like, and his man club, but also the, the women where they've had their issues, not just in the paranormal but in the wider society as well.

And they're the.

The twins and Karen Frey, they've.

They've started up and founded the Supernatural Sisterhood on Facebook, where there's like a safe space for people who've had.

All.

Manner of things happen that can go together and, and find a safe space to speak to each other.

And it's very important that people know that there's places and people they can speak to.

Because the worst thing you can do is.

Is not talk.

Yeah, talking, really.

I know they say a problem shared is a problem halved.

And I think sometimes people forget that.

I. I bottle stuff up myself and I know I do.

But when you talk about it and you go.

Somebody goes, I've been through that myself, mate.

Or.

And you go, oh, actually, I'm not just on My own.

Yeah.

I can't tell you how much doing Paranormal Inc. Has done me some good.

Massively.

I've always been an anxious person and I know that you won't believe it, but, like, I struggle in crowds.

I don't like getting up and talking in front of people.

I know it sounds crazy on it, but I don't.

I don't like doing it.

And I.

And I think, well, it's not a thing.

I know, I know.

Doing Paranormal Links, meeting Paul Lee, Jasmine has been a massive thing for me.

And I think if other people can experience a very similar brotherhood, sisterhood, family, people, friends, getting together all for the same thing and being able to express themselves in a way that they feel comfortable doing.

You know, we can go really deep into this because it's the society thing at the moment.

Ones in it where it's all about being able to express yourself and people saying, no, it's wrong, but you're.

You've got to do it in a certain way.

Well, actually, there's no right, wrong or indifferent way.

If you find somewhere where you're able to express yourself and you can be with people and you feel comfortable being with people in that way, there's no better place to be.

Yeah.

It's like I've had the wrong friends or them my whole life.

Like, I've kind of swapped out my friends.

So rather than going out on weekends and that, now I find myself talking to you guys.

More like the group chat.

And it's.

It's weird.

I've just kind of, like swapped my friends and I've just completely changed my path.

Yeah.

So it goes on the wrong my whole life and I've literally just found where I should be kind of thing.

Well, when.

When me and Ash started the podcast and since that pod, like, since we started that there'd be weeks that we'd spend hours each night just chatting away on.

On Zoom or.

Or whatever.

We've just chatting about the paranormal.

Just chat.

Just chatting or catching up on, like, what I've been doing and, like work and moving and life.

And then it'd be like a few hours later, it's like, we better do the podcast now.

So we then record the podcast and like we did before we came on.

On the recording here.

It's easy.

We could just have a group.

Yeah.

And just get carried away and we just start talking and I know me and Ash have done it many times.

We're like an hour or so in.

It was go like, right, let's do the episode now.

And then, then we'd stop recording and then we'd, we'd chat again.

I'm like, right, I've got to go mate.

I've got, I've got to be up in a few hours or.

Yeah, but it's, it's great to have like minded people to have a conversation with.

That's it.

And I don't.

Coming back to your point, pod you, it's not that you probably had the wrong friends, it's just that you've now got friends that align more with.

Yeah, yeah.

Your interests.

All of my friends are into paranormal.

I got Sarah and literally that's what we talk about is, is.

Yeah.

And our plans and our thoughts and our theories and we're just mind up all the time.

And it's same with Ash, we're just like chatting and I'll message Ash and we'll go, right, what, let's do this or we need to do this.

Who can we get on the podcast?

Like just all these things, what we're going to do for the fifth birthday, what we're going to do for this, what are our plans for next year?

And we constantly just.

Yeah.

If you're interested in it.

I mean I just find myself like.

Yeah.

I don't really speak to anyone who's not into it anymore.

I'm.

I'm even missing my works Christmas Day to go on a ghost hunt.

So like it's one of them.

It's.

I just, I'm not bothered about the drink anymore or you know, waking up rough in the morning.

Oh yeah.

I'd rather just wake up tired after.

A good night with a paranormal hangover.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah.

And it's one of them things as well.

No matter how tired you are, you still find the energy to go along like them Friday night investigate.

Yeah.

Then Friday night investigations after you've been at work all day, you come in, you get a quick shower and then you're straight back out again.

Putting your shoes on as you leave in the door.

It's one of them.

It's.

You always seem to find the energy to do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Paul was so mean, mean to me the other day, you know, he was absolutely horrible.

So when you're about being tired, if we're doing a long drive, all we drive.

I can't drive like going home.

I just can't.

It's unsafe.

Anyway, driving back from Carlisle and I fell asleep and I don't know where.

I think I must have fallen asleep like just past Lancaster and I woke up and him and Laura talking in the car.

I was like, oh, where are we?

He's like, oh, we've got half an hour.

I was like, oh, real do.

And then like, just out the corner I saw that M65 and a sign for Burley.

I was like, you bastards.

Yeah, no, we was literally.

We was literally just coming off the motorway.

Yeah.

That.

I was so excited.

So what.

What would you say is your go to experiment on a night?

So for you guys, when you guys do it, and what is the go to one.

I know you mentioned, Paul, about like the spirit talk wrap to begin with, just to get.

Get the ball rolling.

Yeah, yeah.

So what.

What kind of.

So I've.

I'd probably know what Ashes and Mine is, but I'd be interested to get your thoughts because everybody seems to have something slightly different.

Well, yeah, there's the spirit talk wrapping.

I don't really give much credit to human pendulums or anything like that.

It's very much equipment related, to be honest, you know, and.

And noises as well.

Just listening to the environment, you know, keep it basic.

Yeah.

So like.

Like Jack was saying Ouija boards.

Can't really trust him unless you're doing it with people that you trust.

Human pendulums.

So, yeah, it's like the app to get things started, build up the energy and then, yeah, just very much noises, using your own senses, just stuff like that, just keeping it basic.

But then it depends.

When you've got customers, you have to try certain things, what they want to try and stuff like that.

But yeah, it very much differs.

When we're by ourselves we can try other stuff like that one that Jack mentioned in Millen.

And then there's.

I think.

Did you see the video I put in the other day in the group chat where the Estes Method.

Yes.

And like a K2 and stuff like that.

There's different stuff out there to.

To try, but there is end times when we're by ourselves that we can try different things.

So we need to get some more stuff to try for next year.

Yeah, definitely.

Like we.

Our go to is the Estes Method.

We've had such amazing results from Esther's method, I cannot tell you.

And then go into to Priest Cottage and just going right back and doing the seance thing.

That was.

Yeah, that was mad.

And that set the tone for the night.

So did you put any money in the tray at the Priest Cottage?

I don't know about a lot of.

Money off me, that tray.

I've been there quite a few times.

Yeah, you have, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One of the weird things that happened there is we are.

So we turned.

We didn't go live streaming or anything to begin with.

We just put the camera, they got like a night vision camera just on the side and they had their camera up in the corner.

And I put my MacBook and the memory stick reader or memory card reader and everything in my rucksack.

I always put in my rucksack of goes everywhere with me.

And on the way back, I said to Sarah, I was like, I don't know if I've got that memory card, you know?

She said, what do you mean?

I'm like, I've got a weird feeling that that memory card is nowhere to be found.

I said, I, I don't know what it is, but I just got this weird thing.

Anyway, we go home, can't find the memory card.

I say, I know it's.

I know.

Know it's somewhere because I only had the bag in the.

The living room.

And so FX girls at FX were like, we, we'll have a look at it in the week.

We're going back in now.

We'll.

We'll have a look around.

They were saying they were cleaning around the sofa area where I told them it was.

Couldn't find it.

Then all of a sudden there was a noise and this memory card appeared.

Like it wasn't there.

Then it was there.

So they sent us a memory card.

We got the memory card back and got the footage.

But I, I don't know why I thought all of a sudden.

And that place is weird.

That place is weird.

Yeah.

Doing the seance and all that weird stuff happening.

I just, yeah, I'm looking forward to going back.

It is a great place.

It is a great place.

We, me and Ash.

Me and Ash were there like within the first week or so of it opening.

We didn't get much when we went.

I think we had a very, very, very quiet night.

Yeah, I think it, it's really sort of ramps up, I think.

And then like, we, the four of us, we went with the twins and that night was.

That was pretty crazy.

But.

Yeah.

So where, where's a top location that you guys want to go on to?

It doesn't have to be something that's going to be Easter era.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

You've got.

Yeah, it's like a rite of passage, you know, if you, you're in this sort of business, it's.

You've got to do it.

Yeah.

And we feel like letdowns because we've not done it so we feel like frauds, don't we Jack?

Yeah.

So me and Ash are going.

We're going next January with the girls.

Us doing the girls are brilliant.

We're.

We're private hiring it for the night.

And it's one of them.

You hear mixed stories about it, whether it's rubbish, this, that and the other but you've just got to do it as well.

I've been, I've been before I went before I went many, many, many years ago and few things happened.

I mean I still not entirely convinced by it I'll be honest.

I didn't have the experience that some other people have had experiences of.

But I think I wasn't there with the right people maybe.

Well I was on the group.

I was on a group event with my ex.

She was not massively into the paranormal although she'd been on a few and then she was like no, I'm not coming out anymore because I'm not really.

Don't really believe it.

The right people so the right people.

So a group of people who are invested in the paranormal.

I think that's, that's the way forward.

Yeah.

What about down south?

Have you been to any locations down south?

All of you northerners?

For me personally there are many places which are ones ago.

Down south is my massive.

I want to do.

I mean the jails that you've got down south, you know, you've got the pubs as well.

Yeah.

Like Paul mentioned, you know doing some form of paranormal road trip.

If we can get that in the books next year that be fantastic.

Want to go and see like abnormal the last from Abnor Abnormal I say late night one see those guys.

There's also south course paranormal.

We've just recently like again in the world of Tik Tok in the world of you know, socializing with people they people are in our life at Milan and non stop speaking to these guys.

They're based down in.

Right, yeah.

Miles away.

That is, that is miles away.

Yeah even for me that's miles away.

It's just doing stuff with people like that.

You know these people, they, they come and spend time with us, you know we go on their life to support them too and it's just good to get a face to an end and you know and actually see how these guys work because again they, they might work completely different to how we do and we've learned from them, they learn from us and that's what this, this world's about and it's learning from each other.

For me I really this is why I put it on.

Obviously the thing to talk about is I really, my aim for next year is to work with teams.

I really, really want to wear teams.

I want to have different experiences with teams.

I want to plan different venues, venues that we've never been to.

You know, I want to do stuff with it.

I want to do stuff with the girls.

I want to experience the madness of the twins on a paranormal investigation.

Like they'll probably, they'll probably hate me for saying it but actually like if you go to the right location, I imagine that they stir up so much energy and I imagine that actually it could be a really cool place.

I can imagine that these earbuds are probably needed but I imagine that it's a really good place.

But I love the guys so much.

If you think you've been tired after an investigation, you'll be exhausted after an investigation with the girls, trust me.

Yeah, it's one of them.

We've been in the same building as a numerous times like doing investigations but we've never actually done an invest.

We've never actually spent time with them investigating.

Let's just say down.

Downtime isn't a thing for them and I spend a lot of time with at least one of them and when they're together, hell, I'll tell you what, it's.

It's wild.

Paul's task for next year is to get on one of like my tick tock dancers.

That's what you need to do, Paul, to get your confidence up.

Did you see my TikTok dance?

Yes.

I've got about as much rhythm as Peter Crouch, honestly.

Yeah.

Meaning.

But yeah, so I, I think I, I want to do that, you know, and I want the different experiences.

I want to, you know, do the thing with you guys with the C E5 there's so much which you want to do and I think we're in a really good position because we've got so many friends now in the paranormal community.

Said it, we're in there, you know, like, I think we're in a really unique place where actually people like us, we like people.

We're not upsetting anybody.

We just want to be good people.

We're good friends and I, I definitely, I think I, I was, I was saying little things about like with Saz and Gibson, those guys from real paranormal fantastic.

People give.

Say he is.

I, I think me and him on an investigation will be hilarious.

I don't know why.

I just think actually like I'm.

He's very like an angry person, he'll love me for saying this and like, I'm very much, like just very much a bit like, I'm scared.

I'm scared.

I just imagine like, I think it'll be fun.

So watch.

And it's just that kind of thing in it, having different experience with different people trying to get you outside the comfort zone.

And like Paul said earlier, you know, the fact that he sat here on camera, proud of him, you know, I'm proud of the guys.

I'm proud of the team.

I'm really, really proud of the team.

I. I love the guys to bits and what we've done this year is fantastic.

But next year is going to be that awesome.

Awesome.

Right, so where can everybody find you?

Nowhere.

No.

So social media we are on actually, people who are listening.

I'm going to promote this the hell out of it.

We on the road to a thousand followers before Christmas.

I want to get on a thousand followers before Christmas.

We just hit 902 before we joined this call.

So if you can follow us on Facebook.

The name is Paranormal Inc. As in Inc. Our website is parainc.co.uk we're on TikTok as well as Paranormal Inc.

So we will be releasing our events in the next two weeks for next year.

There's going to be some more which we're going to be adding into the calendar later on as the year goes on too.

But socials wise, mainly Facebook and TikTok.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Well, thank you very much for your time tonight, guys.

Do appreciate it and it's been great to have another conversation with you both and I know we've all been chatting recently and it's been good to sort of get to know people and nice to meet you again.

I know I'd been to the, the Pendle Hippodrome, but good to have a chat, a power chat as well.

So that was super cool and I hope it's just one of a few conversations and meetups that we're going to have over the coming months and years.

So appreciate your time, guys.

Thank you very much, guys.

Thank you.

Cheers.

Thank you.

Bye.