In this final part of Ralph’s conversation with Kenneth Makuakane and John Honold, the discussion turns toward the future of ministry training, church renewal, and what it really means to raise up leaders for the harvest.

Ken and John share how Kahupono has become more than a school for ministry. It has become a flexible, Spirit-led training ground for people who may not fit the traditional seminary path, but who clearly carry a calling to serve.

One of the most powerful stories in the episode centers on a military-connected leader who entered the program unexpectedly and ended up being the perfect fit for a church near Schofield Barracks. What looked like a detour became a clear example of how God places people exactly where they are needed.

Ken reflects on the importance of breaking down rigid models of leadership development and creating pathways for people who are already rooted in their communities. John adds a challenge for pastors: to think of ministry as something believers live out in their workplaces, neighborhoods, families, and daily lives, not just inside of a church

At the heart of the conversation is a needed reminder: the goal of the church is not simply to build followership, but to build leadership.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about discipleship, church revitalization, ministry training, and seeing everyday believers equipped and released into the places God has already called them.