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00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:03 Discussion on Chip and Joanna Gaines

00:24 Evaluating Entertainment Choices as Christians

04:03 Pastoral Advice on Handling Controversial Figures

08:48 Daily Bible Reading: Isaiah 35 and 36

09:02 Difference Between Bible Reading and Bible Study

18:26 Encouragement and Prayer

20:09 Closing Remarks

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to another edition

of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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Hey, chip and Joanna Gaines have

been making the news lately.

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Okay.

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Coming out firing.

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They're doing this TV

show with these two guys.

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Yep.

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And you talked about it in your sermon.

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I did.

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And you said more than I

just said right now yep.

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I feel like I'm unsafe territory here.

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How should we feel about it?

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Should we stop watching the show?

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If we were watching the show and

if Chip and Joanna Gaines were

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coming to your church, pastor

pj, what would you do about this?

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Great questions, both of 'em.

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Question number one I think is broader.

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I think it really comes down to.

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We can ask ourselves some questions about

our entertainment choices in general.

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It's hard to escape, unfortunately that

in any of the venues that you go to today

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or any of the shows that you watch, you

turn on a survivor, it's gonna be there.

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You turn on a, greatest

race, it's gonna be there.

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And even kids TV shows, movies, TV shows.

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Yeah, it's there.

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And I think that's, they're the characters

that are clearly not for sure the right.

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And just look at the response to Bluey.

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I think there's been, people love Bluey

because there's none of that on there.

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It's also a really good show.

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It's gonna be real.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's also true.

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It's high quality entertainment,

but I think's I watch it by myself.

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Just kidding.

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I'll repeat in your office.

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You're like, oh, this

is my favorite episode.

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Dude, that dream episode is where the

dog is there and they've got a problem.

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Episode is clutch.

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Yeah.

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But it's hard to find

where it's not there.

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And so the question is.

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And there's some gray area here of the

subjectivity of when is your conscience

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going to feel like they're glorifying

something that Christ died for?

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And whether it's that or whether

it's, an immoral relationship

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that's on screen between a man

and a woman, or whether it's.

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Alcohol is whatever it may be.

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We have to make decisions

on our entertainment.

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That is what we're taking in to

say, okay, am I being entertained by

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something that put Christ on the cross?

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And is this a, an entertainment

that's really edifying me?

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Is this, am I glorifying God?

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In how I'm taking this in in, in

back to the case study with Chip

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and Joanna Gaines and this TV show.

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I think the fact that they have

doubled down publicly so hard on

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this now and come out in such, oh,

did they Strong support on it, chip.

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Specifically on Twitter when asking

people, this is ask questions and

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he alluded to the fact that there

might be something more that's

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happening behind the scenes.

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Yeah.

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And I thought, okay, maybe there

is something that would explain it.

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Yeah.

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But so far there's been

silence about all of that.

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And in fact, the contrary

the couple that's on the show

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that's being spotlighted, their

whole intention was to bring.

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Bring something like this

and make it more normal.

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For sure.

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So it sounds and there's other

suggestions that what they've said in

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the past is also demonstrates a kind

of support for something like this.

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For sure.

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And so I do think that there's questions

that we have to ask to go, okay, maybe.

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We need to send a message.

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If sending the message is

something as easy as turning

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off the TV and not watching a

show, then let's count ourselves.

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Blessed.

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We're about to jump into one Peter

and one Peter's gonna talk about

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Blessed are you and you're persecuted

for the name of Jesus Christ.

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And let's not conflate these two

things by not being able to watch a

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TV show that maybe we were interested

in versus somebody who's actually

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being persecuted for their faith.

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So I think this is a low hanging fruit

for us as Christians, to be like,

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yeah, we're gonna make a decision

to not watch that show because it

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glorifies something that we don't

agree with, that the Bible doesn't

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agree with, that Christ had to die for.

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Yeah, so I, I think it's

good for us to do that.

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And it goes beyond that too.

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They've got a whole, they've got a

whole marketing arm of Magnolia that

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you go into Target and you see all

their stuff everywhere there, and it's

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I think there is something to know.

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You may think that dish is really cute.

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But you now have to reconcile with

the knowledge that you possess.

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And that's what changes for us

as Christians, when all of a

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sudden now we have knowledge about

where they're coming from and who

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they're, and what they stand for.

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That perhaps before we didn't know, maybe

they've always believed these things, and

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you could go and buy the things freely

from their store, watch their show because

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you didn't know where they fell on this.

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Now, and we're accountable to a

degree, to the knowledge that we

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have to make a decision based on

your own conscience so that you

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don't sin against your conscience.

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What you need to do with that as far

as do you continue to buy their goods?

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Do you continue to

watch the show so forth?

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And so for me, I'm not watching the show.

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I'm gonna struggle to, to walk

through their aisles at Target

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anymore and think that I want to

even support them financially by

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buying anything that they're making.

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That's me.

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I can't.

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Chapter and verse impose that

upon Christians across the

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board, but that's where I'm at.

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That's the answer to the first

part of your question there.

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Follow up on that?

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Yeah.

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Follow up would be they're

going to your church.

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What do you do about that?

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Yeah.

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If I'm their pastor, then

we're having a meeting.

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This is a Matthew 18 situation

wherein you've got them.

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Purveying and promoting something

that is clearly unbiblical.

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Now, the pastor of the church came out and

made a statement and said, look, marriage

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is between a man and a woman alone.

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Great.

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Then you need to have Chip and Joanna sit

down in your office with you and you need

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to say, Hey, guys, what you're doing, what

you're promoting in this show is not okay.

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Now, if I'm misinformed,

help me understand.

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And Chip, you wanted me to listen.

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Okay.

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I'll listen.

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Help me understand what's

going on right now.

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But from the outside looking at this

looks like this is a problem, biblically

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speaking, and I do think it's a

Matthew 18 situation, and if they're

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at my church and they're gonna resist

that, then it follows the process of

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Matthew 18 of church discipline until

the final stages, if they're not going

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to repent from what they're doing.

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Yeah, this is a difficult situation in

part because we don't know what's going

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on behind the scenes, and Chip suggested

that there's more than what meets the eye.

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I don't know what that could be.

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That would end the criticism or

provide a justification for it.

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But let's just say, okay, maybe

there's something behind the

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scenes that we don't know.

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Maybe contractually they have to,

or maybe there's something where

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they don't have control over what

they're doing and they're being

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told this is what they have to do.

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I guess part of me wants to say is there.

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Is there any room whatsoever to say,

look, we, this looks really bad.

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This is a bad thing.

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We shouldn't platform this.

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We shouldn't say that.

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This is okay.

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We shouldn't give any hints that

sin is in any way acceptable to God.

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Don't call evil good.

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Don't call good evil.

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As Isaiah will say what room is

there for us to withhold judgment?

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Or is there, would you

say it's cut and dry?

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It's absolutely clear.

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Is there any place for

us to withhold judgment?

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I guess that's really Mike, my question.

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I, in this situation I don't think

there is if Chip was to say, Hey,

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contractually we're obligated to do this,

then a again, there's a conversation

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to be had about counting the cost

of what it means to follow Jesus.

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If that means you walk away from your

TV show because you're being asked

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to platform something that you know

is against the Lord's commands and

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clear teaching in scripture, then

you walk away from your TV show.

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That's what those two brothers

did with the other TV show, right?

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Yeah.

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And I, in, in, in this

particular situation.

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I, yeah, I remember him saying, listen

and love and whatever that was all about.

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There was another thing that was

happening concurrently with this,

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where there was somebody on her staff,

a photographer for them that works

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for them, who brought a third person

home to become part of the family in a

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non-biblical format, if that makes sense.

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If I'm.

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If you're picking up clear as mud

and the husband said, this is what

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the reality is gonna be, and told

the wife, you're gonna this and.

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The, he was getting blow back and

rightly and he went online and

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complained about it and threw a

pity party about how he was getting

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blowback for being a immoral wretch.

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And she jumped on there and

she comments, this is Joanna

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Gaines, and said, we love you.

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You are a good person.

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In response to him saying, I shouldn't

be judged for the fact that I now

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have a throuple rather than a couple.

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I don't like that word that came out.

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That's weird.

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That came out at the same time.

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So those things in combination

for me I don't have.

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I don't have patience for

Chip and Joanna at this point.

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Like they're coming in, we're sitting

down, we're saying, Hey, we've got some

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things that we need to talk through.

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I don't see a biblical justification

for what's going on here.

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I can't, and yeah.

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Yeah, I guess it's important

to recognize that when we're.

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I guess we're spectators.

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We're trying to see and understand it.

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It is appropriate for your

words to be used against you.

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That's what God's gonna judge us on in

part because our words reveal our heart.

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So it's not wrong to look at the

words that someone says and make

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assessments about those things.

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I think there is a line for

us to be careful not to cross.

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We should say that's condemning evidence.

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But we also have to be careful

and understand there is a

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process for things like this.

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It just so happens that their lives

are so public and I don't know.

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So obvious to other people that it's

easy for us on the outside to, to

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make quick judgements about them.

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But suppose your pastor's

having conversations and maybe

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there's repentance forthcoming.

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We just don't know.

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Now what we do wanna avoid is what

happened with Yeezy, with Kanye.

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He makes a profession of faith

and everybody is, we're lit up

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and everyone's excited about him.

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And then of course now he's the

furthest thing from that, and he's

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calling Jesus all sorts of bad names.

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We don't wanna be, I.

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Coldhearted such that we

don't celebrate those things.

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We don't want to be judgmental

that we quickly write people off.

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There has to be an appropriate sense

of let's just wait and see what happens

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while still being shrewd and wise.

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And I think it's a really tough balance

to strike, especially with the Gaines,

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is because they've built a whole platform

on, or Christians, we love the Lord and

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we're doing this as a way to glorify God.

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And so we have high expectations

of that, especially in our camp.

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We don't allow you to do that without.

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Backing it up with a

life that reflects that.

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So I feel for them and I feel bad for

them, but I do hope they repent and

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they make clear very soon what the

true biblical stance is on marriage.

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Yeah.

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We've got less chapters today

in our daily Bible reading.

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Our daily Bible reading today is

Isaiah 35 and 36, and we're coming

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off a day yesterday, four chapters.

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Lots of material, lots of ground

to cover in those four chapters.

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Today, we've got two chapters.

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And Pastor Rod, you mentioned before we

hit record on this episode, it might be

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good to, to talk about the difference

between Bible study and Bible reading.

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Yeah.

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What's the difference?

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What we're doing here is Bible reading,

and this is meant to make sure that

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you are eyeballs on the Bible as

Pastor Bobby Blakey likes to say.

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From Compass, Huntington Beach that you're

reading God's word every single day.

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It doesn't mean that you're reading

God's word in the, for example, we talked

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about in our partner's manual tanning.

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Then always, now that you're

processing this at a great level of

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detail and parsing out everything

and summarizing each paragraph and

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everything else like this if this is

just time for you in the morning to.

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To approach the Bible to pick it up

and Bible reading might look like you

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opening God's word and say, God, help

me to understand one or two things

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from my reading today that I can take

with me throughout the rest of the day.

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And you're gonna read,

you're gonna read chapter 35.

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You're gonna read chapter 36, and then

maybe you might pause for a minute

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and reflect on these two chapters

and say, okay, is there a principle

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or two that I can take with me this

day that's a meditative nugget that

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I can chew on throughout the day?

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You also might have at the same

time, something, a book of the

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Bible that you're studying.

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That's one that you're gonna be

doing more of the tan method that

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then always now you're gonna have

a commentary perhaps with that one.

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You're taking it slower, smaller

chunk chunks, smaller sections, really

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diving into it a little bit more.

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Perhaps if you're really detailed.

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This is not for everybody, but maybe

it's for some people out there.

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Maybe you're outlining a

passage, things like that.

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That's more the Bible study side.

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And our concern is that everybody at least

is doing Bible reading every single day.

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That, that we feel like is.

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That's what we want you to do.

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That's why we're doing this podcast.

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We want you doing Bible

reading every single day.

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If you have the occasion to do

Bible study, that's a good thing

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for us as Christians to do as well.

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If you can study a book and take a book

and or take a chapter of a book, take

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a paragraph at a time to start with

and walk away feeling man, I know that.

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Better than I ever have before

because I've studied it.

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That's a good thing for

us as Christians as well.

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You're not gonna get that from reading

four chapters of Isaiah in one sitting.

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You may know it a little bit better

than you did before, but you're not

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gonna know the depth of it the same way

we do when we get to do Bible study.

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So we want you Bible reading.

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Bible study's good to do as

well, but at least Bible reading.

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Yeah.

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When you're reading

through this, if you're.

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Reading and not spending time studying.

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You won't be spending an hour

on your Bible reading it.

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It'll be a lot more reasonable.

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You will find yourself

saying what did I just read?

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But maybe there's a way to do

that in ways that are helpful.

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The ESV Bible is a great

Bible to study from.

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You're getting a lot closer to the

text, but maybe if you're just reading,

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we haven't talked about this in a

minute, but the CSB is a great option.

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It's a great option.

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Christian Standard Bible.

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Yep.

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If you like something a little closer

to modern vernacular, the NLT is fine.

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New Living Translation.

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Now notice that's a translation.

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That's not a, that's not a Bible version.

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Like we typically look at some of

these other ones, but it's still fine.

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It's fine to utilize, to

get the text under your.

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I don't know, to get texts under your

feet to get a sense of what's going on.

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Yeah.

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Find something that you

like reading and enjoy that.

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And there are times to study.

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We want you to study the word.

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We want you to get into it and

dig into it and understand.

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Read commentaries and read study

bibles, but recognize we're trying to

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help you with the daily Bible reading

and beyond that, Hey, that's gravy.

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Do that all the more, but we're working

on the reading and hopefully this podcast

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helps you with some of those insights

and understanding of what you're reading.

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Yep.

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Chapter 35 I mentioned yesterday,

chapter 34 sets up chapter 35, because

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not just it comes before it, but it

really is chapter 34, the tribulation.

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Chapter 35 is talking about the return of

the people to Jerusalem, the regathering,

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the millennial kingdom the, this is

an encouraging chapter in the midst of

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otherwise, somewhat of a discouraging

scene that's taking place there.

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But notice verse two, those that are

coming back here they're gonna see the

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glory of the Lord, the majesty of our God.

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He talks in verse six, then

shall the lame man leak like a,

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or look back up to verse five.

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The eyes of the blind shall be opened,

the ears of the deaf unstopped.

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This is similar to when John

the Baptist sends to Jesus and

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says, Hey, are you the Messiah?

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Are you the one that we

should be looking for?

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And Jesus says go tell John some

of these things that we're reading

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here are taking place right now.

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And so Jesus was telling

John I'm at least.

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Partially fulfilling some of this, but

the lame man shall leap like a deer.

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The tongue of the mute sing for joy.

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Waters shall break forth in the

wilderness and streams in the desert.

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If you look in your Bibles, you

might have a cross reference.

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I know what I did in my Bible to

John chapter seven, where Jesus,

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during the feast of feast of.

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Is it Tabernacles in John seven?

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I think it is.

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Yeah.

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Where he stands up and talks

about being, living water.

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That in the connection there.

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Even reaching back to a passage like this

saying he's the one that's be gonna be the

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one that, that's gonna usher this in part.

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At his first coming, but in fulfillment

outta his second, coming in specifically

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during the millennial kingdom.

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But these are verse 10, the ransom

of the Lord who are gonna return

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and they're gonna come to Zion with

singing everlasting joy on their heads.

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They shall obtain gladness and joy.

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Sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

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So this is looking forward

to the millennial kingdom

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for the faithful remnant.

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This is against the backdrop of chapter

34 where God initiates judgment.

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Recognize that judgment has

to come before restoration.

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This is the way it has to be in

order for God to deal effectively and

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permanently with sin, with rebellion.

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And so even though we long for chapter

35, don't forget chapter 34, still in.

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In the shadows of this,

and it's necessary.

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We want God to return.

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We want Jesus to come quickly.

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And in fact, we sing that

right Maranatha, come quickly.

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Lord Jesus.

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We want this and we want Jesus

to establish his kingdom.

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But this should inspire us on two levels.

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Number one, we want this

personally, wanna experience this.

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But on the other hand, we also

want Jesus to delay because there's

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people that we love and care about.

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So don't forget that this beautiful

picture of what his restoration

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will look like is awesome.

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But don't forget chapter 34.

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Chapter 36.

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Very similar to what we've already

read and covered in One Kings 18.

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This is just from the pers

perspective of Isaiah the prophet.

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And so this is a Syria coming.

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This is what, what got, what

the judeans have been dreading.

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And now here it is.

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This is 7 0 1 bc.

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This is Soaker coming against the

city of Jerusalem now laying siege.

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This is the Rob Shaka again, who is gonna

be there taunting and calling out to them.

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And he says specifically in verse 10, he

says, is it without the Lord that I have

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come up against this land to destroy it?

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The Lord said to me, go up

to this land and destroy it.

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Pastor Rob, do you think

God did tell him to do that?

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No.

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Okay.

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Do you But this is no, but there's

a kernel of truth here when he

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says, is it without the Lord

that I've come up to this land?

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Oh, sure.

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But he's not speaking the way that

you and I would think about it.

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True.

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He's a tool in the Lord's hands.

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So ultimately, yes.

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He's what he's saying is true.

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What he's doing is true, but he doesn't

mean it the way that we mean it.

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And I think we need to even be careful

when God says, Nebuchadnezzar my

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servant, or when he says that Assyria

is gonna be the rod in his hand woo.

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This is different here because this is

from the mouth of an unbeliever and it's

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even not true because he says, God said

to come up to this land to destroy it.

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That's not true.

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'cause he's not gonna destroy it.

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Yeah.

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By the way, spoiler alert on that one.

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But he calls out the king

trying to cover them.

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Do not let Hezekiah, verse 15, do

not let Hezekiah make you trust

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in the Lord by saying The Lord

will utter, surely deliver us.

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The city will not be given into

the hand of the King of Assyria.

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Do not listen to Hezekiah.

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Remember, they've been receiving Isaiah's

prophecy to this point about the fact

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that God was gonna care for them.

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And he says in verse 20, it says, who

among all the gods of the lands that.

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They've conquered already has delivered

their lands out of my hand that the Lord

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should deliver Jerusalem outta my hand.

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But they were silent.

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Answer him.

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Not a word for the king's

command was do not answer him.

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And so again we've talked about this

in, i in one Kings 18, a lot of common

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ground here in Isaiah chapter 36.

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Yeah.

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I really like, I don't know, I

say that's not the right word.

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I find it really interesting that

snacking on ribs says something

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like, Hey man in verse 16.

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Make your peace with me and come out

to me, then each of you will eat of

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his own vine and each one of his own

fig tree, and each one of you will

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drink the water of his own cistern.

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If this sounds vaguely familiar

to you, it's because you might

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remember it from One Kings four.

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This is the kind of blessing that the.

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That King Solomon enjoyed.

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Am I right on Solomon?

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Maybe it's not Solomon one Kings four

that would put us at there earlier.

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Yeah, it is Solomon, actually, king

Solomon enjoyed when he was ruling

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and reigning over the United Kingdom.

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He had such blessing brought in that

it says here, Judah and Israel lived

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in safety from Dan, even to Beersheba,

every man under his vine and under

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his fig tree, all the days of Solomon.

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This.

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Imagery was adopted after that point

forward to speak of the kind of blessings

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that the Messiah would bring about.

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And so what you see here snacking on

ribs is saying, look, don't you want

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to enjoy the blessings of the Messiah?

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Come to me and I'll give you those things.

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The vine and fig tree imagery is meant

to showcase the promised land, the

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blessings of the covenant, and he's

saying, I can give you those blessings.

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And this is exactly.

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The strategy of the enemy.

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He brings counterfeit blessings

that are meant to say, look, isn't

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this better than what God's doing?

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It's a shortcut.

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It's just as good.

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Maybe even better.

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Don't you want it now?

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And this is exactly what

they don't fall prey to.

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And we can, if we're not careful, fall

prey to some of the same promises.

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The devil offers counterfeit blessings.

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Be aware of that.

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That's the, from the very beginning.

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The serpent in the garden to eve.

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God doesn't want you to be happy.

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He's just a cosmic killjoy.

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He just knows that if you

eat this, you'll be like him.

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And he's trying to be just him

himself, and he doesn't want

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you to have these rewards.

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So why don't you eat the fruit?

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Yeah.

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And if Trace, trace the vine and fig

tree imagery and just open up your Bible,

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do a quick search and you'll see it.

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It's sprinkled all

throughout the Old Testament.

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Pointing to the kingdom.

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And that's why it's so interesting

because snacking on ribs is

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like, Hey, don't you want this?

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And they say, no.

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I love that.

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What's interesting though is he says,

and this jumped out to me in verse 17,

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he says, until I come take you away

from your land to a land like your

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own land, a land of green and wine,

like, why not just leave us here?

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Let's just stay here.

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Yeah.

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If this is gonna be so great to

surrender to you, then why do you

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need to leave us and take us away?

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Yeah Isaiah chapter 35 and 36, again,

hopefully just the encouragement on

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difference between reading and study.

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Study is so good and there's

great resources and great

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tools out there for you.

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But man, we want you reading every

single day because it's so good for

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us to have our eyes on God's word and

to be taking it in and to be praying

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beforehand, during, afterwards.

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God help me to learn, teach me things,

let me avail myself to the resources

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that I have to be able to do this.

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So we we ask.

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And and trust that you guys are

doing that because we, it's gonna

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make us stronger as a church.

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The more our church knows the

word of God, the stronger we

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will be as a church, as whole.

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That's right.

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So how does Pastor Bobby say

eyeballs on the eyeballs?

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Eyeballs on the Bible?

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Yeah.

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Something like that.

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That's, that.

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It's almost there.

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It's like a half, it almost rhyme.

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Yeah.

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It's, yeah.

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No, I eyeballs on the Bibles,

he says eyeballs, the Bible.

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Let's just change the way that

we pronounce Bibles on the

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Bible, eyeballs on the Bible.

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Or eyeballs?

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Eyeballs on the Bibles.

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Apple eyeballs on the Bibles.

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I like that one.

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I like that one.

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That one feels better.

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Yeah.

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Alright.

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Hey, let's pray.

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God, we we wanna be a people

that do know your word.

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We want to be in your word, not

just occasionally, but daily.

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We want to have a hunger for it, a

desperation for it that says, I have to.

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I have to spend time there.

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I have to read, I have to be in, in your

word and I pray God, that you would make

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it not just an exercise and check in a box

or something that's legalistic or thinking

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that we're earning credit with you so that

we can cash in later for some reward God.

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But that we would really,

truly see this as a lifeline.

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That we would learn, that we would learn

more about who you are and about who

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we are and what you've done about that.

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So God reward our time through, through

just making us more like Christ as we

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spend time in your word on a daily basis.

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Thanks for this time that we

spent in Isaiah 35 and 36.

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Just pray that some of these truths

would stick with us even as we

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hope for that future kingdom as

it's described in 35 as we'll.

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Be there ruling and reigning with Christ.

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Whatever that will look like,

God, we confess in ignorance on

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that, but it's gonna be amazing.

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We do know that, and we

can't wait for that day.

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We pray this all in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Keep in your Bibles.

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Tune in again tomorrow for

another edition to the Daily Bible

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Podcast, Bibles and the Bibles.

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