Navigating through careers in the Crypto industry is an exciting journey. From gaming to developing DEX's, NFTs development and intriguing projects in between. Jose Emmanuel, MD of Gibki Labs shares his journey being a gamer, what got him interested and how he leveraged luck to become a powerhouse of development in the Web3 space. Diving deeper into the journey we unearth the skills needed beyond the tech, to develop into a successful player. Find out more on this humor and insight fueled episode of Diving Into Crypto!

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Gibki Labs - Jose Emmanuel

Participants:

• JP (CMO of AdLunam)

• Jose Emmanuel (Managing Director at Gibki Labs and CTO of Taikee)

00:00

JP

Welcome. Welcome to this episode of Dive into Crypto. This is JP from AdLunam Inc. bringing you everything about web3. On today's show, we have a special guest who is doing something different in the manner of development and they are Gibki. They are the Gibki Labs and team and we're going to be talking to the very shortly. Before we begin, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to remind you that views expressed on this program are meant for educational purposes only and are opinions reflected of that of the speaker.

01:00

JP

Also, they're not to be considered as financial advice. If any is given onto the show, it is for the purpose of education. Secondly, in case we get cut off, go back to AdLunam Inc. and you will find a link waiting for you to bring you back into this room so that we can continue this insightful and engaging interview with the guests that we have. Lastly, please remember we have been blessed with thumbs and they allow you to use the reaction button. So when you hear something you like from what the speaker is speaking about, please go ahead and use them. You can give them a try. Right now, the moment you press the heart button that's at the bottom of your phone, I can see some of you already trying that. You know that you can have a bunch of emojis and hearts and reactions that are there even if you need to raise your hand.

01:54

JP

Finally, at the end of the show, before we close, we'll open up the room for question and answers from the audience. So remember that you can keep that there, you can tweet that into AdLunam Inc. We can ask it on your behalf or you can tweet them into the speaker so that we can have them answered for you. Right? That being said, ladies and gentlemen, I'm very excited to start. The person I'm going to have come on is Taikee. He is the CTO of Gibki labs. He used to be an architect and a developer both in Web2 and the Web3 technologies. But I'm going to let him introduce himself a lot more through the course of the show and you're going to find out a little about him and some of the insightful stuff that he's been doing over at Lab. So, welcome Taikee, how are you?

02:43

Jose

Hi, yes, thank you very much, JP. Yeah, so I'm JM and yeah, Taikee and Gibki are few of the things that I've been working on lately. So I guess I can start by introducing those two things. I guess the audience has been hearing it a little bit, but just for some background. So Taikee is one of the startups under Gibki and Gibki labs is at first it was a web3 focused venture builder, and we've been able to go through a lot of different industries and tackle a lot of different technologies in the space, in the wide space that is web three and crypto and all that. Thank you very much. I guess one of the things that I wanted to say is apart from

03:36

Jose

04:19

JP

05:19

JP

05:52

Jose

It goes way back. No one could really tell the price. Exchanges were scattered far and wide. Sometimes you wouldn't even know about exchanges. It was just a very different kind of playing field, and everybody was trying to build something. Actually, it's quite like today, now that NFTs are a thing, now that there are new tokens every now and then, it's very similar. Like the vibe, the feel right now of the market. So, yeah, it's pretty similar, actually, every year, because every year or every few years, there's something new coming out with blockchain.

06:34

JP

Right.

06:35

Jose

And it's so interesting for me, and I think that's one of the things that piqued my interest way back when, even before I was already reading why satoshi, right? Why satoshi created bitcoin. It was all about decentralization, all of those different buzzwords. But for my personal experience during that time, I think it was just so much easier to get into crypto simply because I'm from the Philippines. All right? I'm from the Philippines. And it's quite hard to deal with at the time. PayPal. It was quite hard for me to deal with PayPal. And I was unbanked. I had nothing, and I wanted to try doing some online work. And that wasn't a thing before. That wasn't a thing before. Now it's very normal, right? Like, all of us are probably working from home, working remotely. I think I was one of the first few people working remotely and getting paid in bitcoin.

07:39

Jose

Very informal work too, like writing, all that stuff. And that's how I got into crypto. Yeah. And I used my crypto, actually to buy stuff from games and all that. Not exactly my needs at the time.

07:52

JP

Right.

07:53

Jose

But that's how I got interested and continued to follow the crypto space.

07:58

JP

Wow. Okay. So it's so interesting to hear the story of where your first time, your introduction is into bitcoin. Now that part is something common, right? To be honest about it, a lot of people, their first interaction is with bitcoin. That somebody told them, hey, you know what? Buy into this and then take a look at what's happened. It's a great asset. But what really becomes interesting is the stories of why people stay. Right. I suppose that there has to have been for you some moment at which a switch had flipped and you said, hey, web3 is the space to be for me. Right.

08:44

Jose

Tell us about that. Yeah, sure. Actually, that's actually a great question because I was not a coder back then. I was not into technology back then. Like I said, I started doing this sort of stuff in the crypto industry or, like, poor people doing crypto. I was doing writing, and at the time, I was writing about the technology. I was writing about people using the technology, writing about people who traded bitcoin. But I never really made anything of my own, and I think that was a challenge for me. I was challenged to learn enough so that I can create something. And I guess it was sort of an ego thing for me. That I wanted to be able to create something. Right. To be able to create something, like an exchange maybe, and all that stuff. But as I did research, I just learned more and more about how hard it actually was.

09:40

Jose

So I made it a point to study enough on my own to be able to make one. I mean, lo and behold, now I definitely can. But, yeah, it was a very long journey, and what was handholding me along the way was the crypto space. Every time I learned something new, close to that, in technology or in my craft, I was also doing freelance work and getting paid in crypto. Yeah. So that's why I stayed. It quite literally created a new career opportunity for me. So, yeah, it expanded my skills, expanded my network. I was able to learn about new things not just from here in the Philippines, but also from around the world. Why I stayed? Well, that's the beauty of it.

10:33

JP

And it's often at the time when you jump into the utility of crypto, is when you actually start to take an interest, because till that time, you're not an insider. You're not somebody that's got literally some skin in the game. Right. It's only at that point when you buy your first bitcoin or you get paid, your story resonates with so many developers who are trying to do something different, who have skills from a web2 arena moving to a web3 arena, and their journey is, I suppose, to some degree of how do I get through this transition? I'm used to traditionally being paid in Fiat. Everything I know from the engineering colleges I went to, or even some of the self-learning ones, all of that has been focused on, this is how a company works, this is how things work. I may freelance a little.

11:32

JP

I know things in Web2 because I can see them, I've seen them for decades. But when it comes to Web3, that transition must have been, for lack of a better word, I'm just going to say interesting. But I know that it might have also been horrific. It might have its up and down. Yeah, tell us about that.

11:50

Jose

12:55

Jose

There was a big winter, right?

12:57

JP

Right.

12:58

Jose

Yeah. It was a very big, shocking experience that I realized that I was able to go through already, but never have I experienced something that big before. And yeah, it was a very big eye opener, to say the least, but it never really got me I guess it scared me a little bit from the industry, but it never made me close the door on crypto or blockchain, for that matter.

13:28

JP

JM, there has to have been something that kept you what was that something? Was it curiosity? Was it, hey, you know what? This still is interesting, despite the fact that people don't the times are bad. What was it for you?

13:44

Jose

I guess it was just my personal dream to make. I wanted to be a one man Team at the time.

13:52

JP

Right.

13:52

Jose

I wanted to be a one man because I wanted to create, like, an exchange. Crypto was so crazy back then that you could make these sort of things without much regulation. And here I was thinking, maybe I should just make one and just leave it there and fix it. Every now and then, I'll make passive income from all the transactions and all the volume. That was what was in my head, and I wanted to do that. And not being able to do it kept me hooked into crypto. It kept me watching all the different businesses that existed. It kept me updated still, like, I was still watching all of the different exchanges, what they did right, what they did wrong, what sort of features they had. So what did I have to learn to make those features? Right? So I kept my learning, I kept my career pretty close to my interests.

14:46

Jose

Right. And that's what kept me to stay. Yeah, the pay was great. Definitely. By the time it wasn't really in my head, I was just more focused on making what was enough. Of course, now, I mean, still the goal, but of course I want to dream bigger, but it was more of a personal pursuit that kept me in the crypto space for the longest time.

15:18

JP

Awesome. Okay, so obviously you had a dream. You wanted to pursue it. That pursuing and the belief that pursuit and that belief is primarily what kept you straight and focused. All right. When you began Gibki Labs, right? Or rather, when you were part of that, tell us a little about what that does and then a little about what Taikee does.

15:44

Jose

16:49

Jose

The features weren't working. It was taking too long to load and all that. And I mean it when I say that I found her cute. So I was like, all right, you know what? I'm going to work on your project for you. Sure, I can do that. We're friends on Valorant and all that.

17:07

JP

Let's do it.

17:09

Jose

I decided to do it, and eventually I even decided to do it for free. So funny. Then what do you call this? The board of directors told me that they can't just let me do it for free. So they decided to pay me. And I was like, you know what, there might be a bunch of people suffering from the same problems, especially during the new normal. Why not? I'm pretty free right now, so I can do this. I did that. And then afterwards I built a tiny team. We were just a team of three. And we would design and develop websites and entire systems for different companies up until we heard about NFTs in Solana. So we heard about NFTs in Solana and was booming like crazy. So I decided to learn more about how to develop on Solana until we shifted our focus from web2 clients to web3 clients.

18:18

Jose

We were basically doing services, customer support, mints generations and all that for different NFT clients up until we eventually created different kinds of utilities for NFTs. So were creating new utilities for NFTs in the Solana blockchain and were also providing consultancy for some. So were able to give advice to some founders and everything. We met a lot, got a lot of insight and all that. And that's how we've been able to maintain our web3, what do you call this, our influence in web3 up until here in the Philippines, we also met with some of the biggest founders of Filipino based startups that are in web3. Things like Yield Guild Games, BreederDAO, those sort of things.

19:17

JP

Right?

19:17

Jose

So it was a crazy experience. A crazy and wild experience, honestly. Like how far we've gone because of web3.

19:26

JP

Got it. So. I mean, that's quite a journey because you've painted an arc from the eyes of a developer moving up the ranks within a corporate that is just one part of the backstory. But the other part of the backstory, which we'd like to dive into, but we should do that at a different time, is the story of how it panned out with the girl.

19:53

Jose

Yeah, it was very wild experience. It's all over the place. I know.

20:00

JP

Well, I'm glad for you. Okay, so JM, that being said, right, so you've got this art. So this is how effectively you were able to build a team, develop the right connects in terms of have your team out there to be able to meet guys like BreederDAO and Yield Guild that you were speaking about. Okay? So this being said, of course you've chosen to work with Solana. NFTs are something that is one of the focus areas. We all know that when it comes to anything in web three, community plays a very big part, right? And in so many ways, the challenge about bringing a community on board is something that all of us struggle with in different ways, in different levels. What was that journey like for you? And considering that you're based in the Philippines, I'm certain that there must be certain unique points that you were able to choose as a success or maybe cases of learning.

21:09

JP

What were those like for?

21:11

Jose

Right. You know, the one big thing that I learned in this space is that the tech isn't everything. Like you said, the NFT founders that we work with one from each continent, probably, right? And it's crazy. We pretty much give them exactly the same thing, except it looks different, feels a little bit different, but they all have different success. They have different kinds of success or success rates. Some of them don't make it at all. And you're right, community is probably the biggest factor that comes into play when they come up with those kinds of projects. And I think one of the biggest things that I realized that here in the NFT space or not really NFT space, with the web three space as a whole, it's actually a very big issue of identity. A lot of people, we come from.

22:16

JP

All over the place.

22:17

Jose

We come from all over the world. None of your nationality matters, so they say. Right? So they say. But the thing is, the one thing that everybody looks for is someone to empathize with, a brand to empathize with, and a brand to identify with. Right? So you have to be able to pin your niche like someone has. You have to be able to create something that speaks for a lot more people than just yourself. Right? And that's one of the things that a lot of people don't get, right? A lot of people try to play by the rules of what they learned in business school or things like that. But what they fail to learn is that this is largely an informal space. Everybody's just here trying to have fun. Of course, it's getting more and more regulated now, but people are here. People are trying to identify with things, especially more so in the NFT space, the NFT hub space of web3.

23:22

Jose

Right?

23:22

JP

Right.

23:23

Jose

And you have to be able to make something. It comes with maybe the philosophy, the values of your brand, the roadmap of your brand. It's not just the roadmap either. So it's many things that come into play, and you have to be able to follow through with those points that help your community identify with you.

23:49

JP

Right. Okay. So this is, of course, interesting in terms of being able to pick and choose that or really dive into some insight where that's there. Because we are talking about a multibillion dollar market when it comes to NFTs. And just in the month of Jan, because of the cycle that we've had, this upcycle that we've had, you're looking at about 1 billion in 30 days with NFTs, right. Starting the month with almost nothing. But you're closing it in, averaged out 99.75, 3 million, more or less about $1 billion came into the market just within that one month. Right? Yeah. So this being said, the need to identify, the need to have that piece of art really appeal to you that you'd want to pay for it, because it's one thing to feel and this is the general consensus when it comes to that, how do you go about choosing that?

24:54

JP

And then I want to flip that question later to ask about why should somebody invest in a piece of art when they could just see it? Which is what most people do with paintings that you see in a gallery. Right. So I'm going to take this from two parts, but the first one is, how do you go about choosing those points of resonance with somebody?

25:18

Jose

I think for that, the thing that I see common with a lot of really good founders is that it's an introspective journey, especially when they create the project that's likened to themselves as a person. A lot of people think that's not the way that you have to conform. You have to do the same thing that everybody else has. But what's worked for a lot of the biggest founders, in fact, are when people create it their way, when people think for themselves. Right. The whole concept of individuality. Because you realize when you put something out there into this global space, this unbordered space, there are so many more people like you than you think. And these people will be your people, will be your community. What's important here really is community acquisition. And they will not be there if you just try to be someone else.

26:17

Jose

Right. They value originality, they value sincerity. So that's one of the things that's worked very well for a lot of the best founders in the NFT space. Okay, so it's picking that.

26:34

JP

And the second part is then how do you get people to take a deeper interest with NFTs of a series that you build?

26:46

Jose

Oh, yeah. Now, this is a question I get a lot. So a lot of people what I think is wrong in this space is actually a lot of people try to pin Web3 as something completely different. It's not it's just another technology, it's another tool. Right. To be able to get people into the Web3 space, you have to try to make it seem like it's not a Web3 thing. Everybody's scared of web3 at this point, we've seen all the ugly, but the thing is, we've seen all the ugly of everything else. But does that scare anybody off from money? Right? People always say, there's so many scams in web3. There's so many scams with money, right? Happens in the SEC all the goddamn time. But you have to bite that bullet. You have to accept that you won't always be able to market it that way.

27:49

Jose

Try to change the perspective that it's just a technology. You don't have to say that I'm using web3, right? I imagine a lot of these decentralized applications, or NFTs, what if we just sold them as art? What if we just sold them as art and not look at my NFT, look at my art or use my what about check my app out? So much easier to understand than check my DApp out, right?

28:16

JP

Yeah.

28:17

Jose

There's so many of these things, these subtle differences that a lot of people don't get, which is causing the barrier to entry. It's because we're making that barrier to entry as a whole. Like as an industry, we're creating that barrier to entry ourselves.

28:33

JP

Fair enough. I agree with you 100%, right? Because when you look at regulated markets or when you look at trying to let's take it from the customer's point of view, it's always the fact that when the customer wants to, or other when anyone who's interested in coming over to the other side, right. The easier you make that road for them, the quicker they will all line up to get there, because what they can see on the other side is a new experience, right? Better or worse. But you're right when you say that those barriers are stopping more people for mass adoption. A few days on the show, we had an updated statistic. It used to be just 3% of the world's population was in crypto. It's now 5%. Right. 5% is a very good number. But this is after over a decade of bitcoin being in existence, of web3, being getting to be more of a mainstream thing, and still, after a decade, there's still that many barriers, right?

29:42

Jose

Yeah.

29:44

JP

It's disappointing in a way, but what do you see when it comes to that? I mean, what are some of the ways we should just move those things aside? Take a bulldozer. Bulldozer, move those things out of the way. What are some of the things that you would see in your region, especially, that would make things easier for everyone to jump on board?

30:02

Jose

Oh, in my region, actually, there was a recent study that came out, and the Philippines is the biggest country, I mean, the country in the world that is most interested in the metaverse, for example, Vietnam being the most invested in it. I think it's working its way slowly, especially with the different talented founders that are here in the Philippines and different, of course, the economy of the country also comes into play. People are seeking out better opportunities. People are seeking out global ways to make money and global markets and exports and all that. Right. I think eventually it'll come out as a need. Any more prodding, it could also cause a lot of backlash, I think. So I think we should just keep building. It's a question that is still yet to be answered, to be honest. Unless the government supports it. If the government supports it, then wow, then that's perfect for everybody, right.

31:12

Jose

But people are still finding their way. So I think maybe from there sorry, maybe education is one of the biggest ways to get there. More people in the populace is able to understand there'd be less risk, and if there's less risk, the government will be more likely to support crypto in the first place. So I think it's a hodgepodge of things that we can do all over the place. But right now there's no definite way to just say that, okay, we'll clear all of those barriers to entry and it's going to be fine. Unfortunately. Well, we just have to take one.

32:02

JP

Day at a time, I guess, and keep, like you're saying, educating people. Right. Just keep forging forward. Yeah, fair enough. Sorry. Go ahead.

32:11

Jose

No, that's all, go on.

32:14

JP

Okay. So I'm curious to pick your brain about something when it comes to a lot of these interesting projects that you've worked on, of course, with the orientation that you have. Right. What's your method to pick them? What's the ones you say yes to? What are the ones that you say no to? How do you go about that?

32:35

Jose

I sort of go about it like in HR, I pretty much ask a bunch of questions relating to what they feel about the projects themselves. Because when I tell you that there are some people who are just doing it for the money, some of them really do, some of them don't really care what they're trying to make in the first place. So it's very disheartening as someone who's passionate about it. Right. And I would much so rather work on projects, especially if it's tiring, if they believe in the same things I do, if they are doing it for a cause, and if they're sincere, and of course, if they aren't planning on scamming their users. I like to keep Gibki 's name clean. I don't want to cause any problems for myself or my co-founders. So, yeah, those are one of the things that I find very important when working with people in the space, especially cultural barrier.

33:45

Jose

It's always going to be a cultural barrier, so I like to minimize the difference.

33:52

JP

Okay. Yeah. I can really see how that plays an important factor because the understanding when it comes to culture is something that is very nuanced and a lot of people have to understand that the styles that may go. Across certain regions of Europe will be different from those that are accepted in the Americas or in Africa or different parts of Asia Oceania. Right. And there's obviously reasons for that. And you can see that in the style of gaming itself that comes out of there. So that should also resonate in some way that gets put out.

34:35

Jose

Can you repeat that?

34:36

JP

Sure. Can you hear me clearly?

34:40

Jose

Yes, I can hear you now.

34:41

JP

Okay. All right. So in terms of the style, right, I mean, it's very nuanced when it comes to certain regions of which founders will first look to target when they want to develop an NFT of sorts, and especially if it's art based. Because when it comes to that, you notice styles that come out of let's say styles that come out of Japan will have a very different feel to styles that come out of Europe. Right. They'll have very different feels to styles that come out of Africa from the Americas, from North America, Oceania, all these. So the culture barrier, of course, is something and you shared that even when the founders, they really believe in the project that they are. And you can sense that passion, right. That's a method of due diligence in itself. Right. But tell us a little more, JM. Tell us a little more about, for example, some of the better projects that you've worked on and some that you learned from.

35:49

JP

I'm not going to say that they're the ones that weren't great, but the ones that you learned from.

35:55

Jose

Yeah. All right. I'd like to say that a lot of the projects I had to learn from. We're not so lucky to be contributing to one of the projects that made a very big difference in the space. Unfortunately, most of the time, honestly, it was just really hard. Like I said, the cultural difference, even between us as a provider and them as a client, it was a very big and different experience, and I really had to learn from that. Some of the projects themselves, let's say, for example, something's fishy. So that's an east project. I had to learn a lot from those guys. It was very hard. The time difference was very difficult.

36:53

JP

Right.

36:56

Jose

The style of their art was different, and it was very big. So we had to find ways to properly store all of them without being lossy in terms of quality, for example, we had to use many different ways to make their specifications, to make their project to their specifications. Apart from that, we made some mistakes as well. So we learned a lot. We learned a lot. We had to face scrutiny from not just them, but also their community. It was difficult, to say the least. Eventually, I guess, it was a very big learning experience and something that I wouldn't say, I do it again, but it's not something I regret taking. I was able to learn a lot and still of course, discover what I could do better.

37:59

JP

Well, that's yeah.

38:02

Jose

Compared if I didn't engage with them at all.

38:07

JP

Fair enough. Fair enough. Sorry to have interrupted you there. I was just curious, wondering if, since you worked on Solana, was the tech something that came in the way of you being able to develop that because you're in a position to share that insight with us? Is it that much more difficult with working on different tech that tomorrow somebody comes and tells you, hey, I want to build this on maybe a different chain? Does that get in the way in any way?

38:43

Jose

It was at first, actually. It was a very big difference at first. And what do you call this? It gave us delays. The language itself is different. The way it's architected is different was very different. And apart from that, the tools that were available at the time were different. I didn't even know some of the tools existed. Sometimes I had to write them from scratch. It was really weird. But if you know what you're doing, you'll understand them better and you'll be able to find this solution faster than most. I guess that's one of the better things. Well, I wouldn't say everybody has the ability to just understand technology for what it is, but it's one of the things that helped me, at least. Okay.

39:48

JP

Yeah. I mean, we all go through a learning curve when it comes to doing this, and I'm glad you're so open about this and thank you for really sharing that, because it's one of the key things that a lot of us need to understand, and that is the fact that we can't know everything. And what keeps us successful often is learning these skills on the job. Right. It looks to me like what you're saying is that just that ability to be able to learn at a point when you don't know the answer, but you're going about and finding the answer. Tell us more about that.

40:30

Jose

Yeah, apart from I'm also an architect, so it's my job to really find out how to do things. Right, how to do things. Sometimes some of those questions are completely up to me, and if I don't get to answer those questions, a lot of things will happen. A lot of bad things for the client, a lot of bad things for the company. My co-founders and I really had to learn how to read funny. I really had to learn how to read a lot. Like a lot of what do you call this, documentation? A lot of best practices and all that. It was a very humbling experience when I started working in Web3 smart contracts and all that stuff coming from simple the usual technologies that we use. It's a whole new different programming language for a completely different virtual machine. Right?

41:42

JP

Yeah.

41:44

Jose

I guess those were one of the biggest experiences in my development journey. And architect journey. It was all in web3. It was very crazy and wild ride. Professionally, you can't let them know that you're having this much of a hard time.

42:07

JP

But you're right about that part. Professionally, it's never good. It's just bad form. Right. I'm not going to say that it's never a good thing. There are ways that you can depict that positively to the client. Right. And at the same time, the very fact that we have to understand in many cases that we don't always know the answer, but we can go and find it. And I think that effort in so many ways, even in this industry, or rather especially in this industry, is understood because it's nascent, it's new. You're not going to have somebody that has a track record of ten, maybe 15 years in a space like this. Every other company has that has the luxury of that. Right. If I want a consultant who's got 15 or 20 years in the industry, boom, that's it. I pop into LinkedIn and I found it.

43:04

JP

Or her. Right. But in this space, if you've spent a few years in IT, and especially on the development side, that's the goal.

43:14

Jose

Yeah, I agree. You'll be able to understand where to look for things, too. That's one of the fun things developing in the Web3 space, I'd say.

43:28

JP

I like that. Yes, it is a fun thing. It is. The fact that if you can learn whilst doing that's a good space to be in. Right. Okay, JM, I want to pivot a little from what we're discussing, the arc, the journey, the tech, to a little point about developing the brand aspect and being able to cover the region, not just the region. Right. To build up a name in this area. Right. So when it comes to Gibki Labs, firstly, what were your top three learnings when it came to having to build this from the ground up?

44:10

Jose

Biggest learning. I started Gibki Labs with Friends, and the biggest thing I learned is that you have to learn how to be professional. You have to learn how to reign in the people that you have in the company. A lot of people will have different interests, different ways of expressing their things, different intents as well for the company, if you're creating a brand that a lot of people are going to identify with, you have to make sure that the company can also identify with itself from within. It's one thing to say that you're supposed to what do you call this? Take everyone's ideas and all that stuff, but when push comes to shove, you have to know when to tell the people that, okay, this is what we're going to follow. And flat structures always sound so fair and nice, but it's just inefficient. Someone has to lead, someone has to facilitate that sort of journey for you.

45:21

Jose

Right. Okay.

45:24

JP

Identifying that was one. What more sorry, what more, I mean, that was one of three. I'm going to put you on the spot.

45:36

Jose

all right.

45:40

JP

But this is really interesting because I appreciate the honesty about it and I appreciate the fact that there is a lot of resonance in what you're saying JM. It is not just about the story, right? It's about the journey and the destination is wherever it could because it doesn't stop. It just keeps going. And often it just keeps going long after we may no longer be here exactly. Or even in this space, but it can still have its journey. So that's why it's important in so many ways to vocalize it, to document it, to be able to share it, so that who knows? More people can at least realize that path is built for them. Right. Okay. So one was being able to have a professional identity developed within the company, right? Yeah, within Gibki. What else was it that was a deep learning for you?

46:47

Jose

Another thing that I learned from starting Gibki is that what do you call this? You have to learn how to say no as well. To be good at something, you have to be bad at something. Right. You have to be bad at everything, actually. In fact, a lot of people will say yes to every opportunity. A lot of people will say yes to every single addition. Everybody likes stacking things on top of things, right?

47:15

JP

Right.

47:17

Jose

Like, for example, a band aid. You can put one band aid on the wound, put more it's just going to moist up. Right. There's so many things that a lot of people do in excess, and you have to really be able to focus one single point to be able to do it well. I'm not saying that in terms of a philosophical way. I can also say it in terms of what do you call this in terms of finances? Like cost.

47:44

JP

Yeah, right.

47:47

Jose

Yeah. So that's another big point that I learned. I learned the hard way. I actually made this mistake for Gibki. I made this mistake for Gibki. We were working on so many NFT projects, and I wanted to create my own. And we basically that was one of the things that we're good at, the tech. We're not exactly good at creating an NFT, like movement or type of thing. We can leave that to the founders, we realize.

48:22

JP

But that's interesting, I guess at some point, you, of course, want to have a presence in that space that's at the forefront, right? Yeah. It may look like a good idea. It does work. It doesn't work. But could there have been another learning from that? Maybe an area of expertise, I guess, like you said. Right. Say you have to be good at something. You're probably bad at something else.

48:49

Jose

Yeah. Though it's not bad to explore. That's one thing it's not bad to explore. I do say that I focus a lot on development, on architecture, pretty much everything in the realm of technology. But even then, I'm not the best at everything. I'm not particularly skilled at a lot of things either. I just understand well enough. In fact, that's what you have to do as an architect to be able to properly architect things, you have to understand things, but not to a point of trying to use all that time to master everything. Right. You only have enough things, and that's why you have to learn how to delegate, create a team that will fill in those gaps with you. Not for you, though. So, like, big point. So, yeah, be willing to explore a lot of people, even in terms of a career, people don't always stick to the thing that they took in college.

49:54

Jose

Right. It's a very big space and a very big world. Don't be afraid to explore. But if you found your way, you found your path, drill down on it.

50:07

JP

Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. Wow. So this is, of course, extremely insightful. It's a very honest journey. And I know I'm repeating the word honest, but that's one of the things on the show that we try to share as insight with our listeners. Right. The point is really that the realism of having to go through that journey, the reality of these aspects is very different when you're walking each step, each hour, each minute, each second. It's very different from what people will see from the outside as what goes into making something successful. Because everyone's looking at someone in web three as, oh, you're in the web three space, you're in the crypto space, so you're bound to be earning like you're bound to be a millionaire. Where's your lambo? Right?

51:04

Jose

Oh, yeah, I wish. Right. We're all just normal workers here.

51:13

JP

So true that perception in so many ways has to break because that's one of the key that may draw people in, but it won't keep them there. Right. It just won't. And when it comes to the aspect of that mass adoption, it's certainly something that you've been able to share that it's very real. Keep learning, keep trying, keep experimenting, and that's what eventually will help you build this successful model of yourself more than anything else.

51:46

Jose

For sure. Exactly. Yeah.

51:49

JP

All right, go for it.

51:55

Jose

I don't know. That's all.

51:58

JP

Okay. I wanted to ask you, considering that you've worked on multiple projects, you've worked on projects that have been in tech outside, you're an avid gamer, you know how to make NFTs work. The question I have for you is when it comes to seeing that trend, right, that arc, where do you see the trend going from here? What do you see is the future in web three, at least in the direction that you are, or from a broader point of view, what are your thoughts?

52:33

Jose

You remember what I said about making web3? Not so much an isolated industry and make it a part of everything that we do as tech. A lot of people are starting to catch on with the way with that sort of thinking, and it's going very differently now. There was this recent startup that came to be it didn't last very long, but it was a very big start. When bonding came out that was actually a Web3 company. Right. A lot of people didn't notice at first, but the moment that they read eventually that it was using NFTs, everyone was like, oh, it's using NFTs. I don't like it anymore. But that was a very big step. So, yeah, I think there are more and more companies and more people who are catching on, and that's very exciting for me. I'm waiting for the day that it becomes a norm and Web3 just becomes accessible to everyone.

53:43

JP

Okay. The future, of course, is Web3 or maybe a different iteration by the time it catches on, that's kind of what happens. By the time everyone gets used to technology, they've decided to go with a new version, just like the Internet on your phone. Right. By the time we got used to Edge, they already had two, then came out, and then four, and now five.

54:09

Jose

Yeah. And apart from that, even Solana is creating their own Solana mobile, right? There's so many new technologies where it makes a whole lot more things what do you call this? Possible and more accessible for normal people who don't want to give a shit about Web3 or anything. It's more of just them using things and eventually that amount of that big usage or will actually spur a whole new level of there's going to be more money coming in for sure.

54:55

JP

And one of the things I think we also have to realize is the fact that no matter what happens with the Solana phone, right, if it becomes a success, it's great you'll still have people following it, but it's already laid a path down for other phone makers to follow. And that would be one of the biggest adoption methods for people to use. The same way that you have, for example, if you have android phone, by default, you ideally should have a Netflix app already installed, just making it so much easier for you to get yourself a subscription. Right. So at the same time tomorrow, maybe, who knows? There would be an exchange on it, there could be a wallet on it, and that could be a way to really quick adoption.

55:43

Jose

Agreed. Yes.

55:45

JP

Well, fingers crossed. We might see that in the near future.

55:52

Jose

All right. Okay.

55:56

JP

I would be as well. That would really be a quick entry. And yes, those of you that are listening to it, you can send my consultancy fees to Add Luna Inc. I'll text you my wallet address. Right? Okay. So, JM, we are coming close to the end of the show. But two questions. One, I've got one in already in from the audience. So thank you very much, Gloria, for sending the question in. But my last question to you before we take this one is, what's your personal philosophy and what keeps you going? You've been really energetic all throughout the show, have a very positive outlook. These are just my personal observations, but I'm curious to understand what's your personal philosophy and what keeps you going?

56:46

Jose

Oh, yeah, I think I do everything with intent. Right. Of course, it's not a bad idea to just go about your daily life and fall into a routine. But for myself, if you want to really go forward and go beyond, you don't need to do so much as, you know what all those Facebook videos or Instagram reels, they tell you. You have to work 24 hours a day, 26 hours a day. There's only 24 hours in a day. But just do something with intent. Know that you're going to achieve something. Put a goal with every little tiny thing that you do so that you will achieve. When you put your head into it, when you put your heart into it, and you put your purpose and reason into it, you're more likely to make something out of it. So that's my basic philosophy, not just in the Web3 space.

57:45

JP

Fair enough. Fair enough. JM, thank you for sharing that with us. So, ladies and gentlemen, you've heard it here first. Live your life with intent. Make sure that everything you do is centered around that. JM, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the show. I've got in one question that's coming from the audience, and I know that we're the end, but for those of you that have questions, please send them into AdLunam Inc. Or you can send them to the speaker directly. You can send them to JM directly, and we can have those answered for you, right? Yeah. Okay, so the question I've got from I've actually got two questions from Gloria, but you've already answered one. So the second one I will ask is, what are the future plans for Gibki Labs?

58:28

Jose

For Gibki Labs. Recently, we've already started the transition into a venture builder. So we're no longer a focused Web3 agency that just does things in Web3. We're now coming up with new startups in multiple industries, not just with crypto, but like Taikee, for example. Taikee is a personal finance management AI. So we're helping people optimize their savings. We're coming up with more and more things. We're just looking at the market, trying to observe and trying to see what the needs are. So we're moving to just know, creating NFT projects from founders into solving problems for real people. So we're doing that, partnering with universities. Hopefully we get to create new opportunities for both people who want to find work and also people who want to create their own businesses, people who want to find ways to achieve their own dreams as well. So, yeah, that's one of the things that we're looking forward to in Gibki nowadays.

59:39

JP

Super JM. Thank you for sharing that. I have one last question. What does Gibki mean?

59:46

Jose

Actually, just when I first came up with a name, I was looking for a word that meant agile. Agile to change and agile to behavior and everything. And I found the Polish word Gibki. So that's how I came up with the word Gibki.

JP

Oh, that's wonderful. JM, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and insight on the show. Know it's been an absolute pleasure hosting you.

Jose

For sure. Thank you very much, JP. Thank you very much, AdLunam. And I hope you guys are enjoying the rest of your night or well, it's night for me. The rest of your day.

JP

Cheers, JM. Salamat, salamat.

Jose

Thank you very much. Goodbye.

JP

All right, cheers. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for tuning in on the show today. Remember, we have the Future of NFTs that happens on Tuesdays. You can look to AdLunam Inc. On Twitter to find out more details about when we're going to be broadcasting that show. And of course, remember to be back next week at the same time at the same place and we will have a new guest on the show sharing their insights for you on Diving into Crypto. Finally, for those of you that have participated in our Sniper School program, congratulations. For those of you that have gotten in and for those of you that haven't, that link is still open, so you may have a chance to get into Sheldon the Sniper School in the next upcoming class that they will have in a few weeks, but stay tuned for more details.

JP

Ladies and gentlemen, this is JP from AdLunam Inc. Bringing you everything about web three. Have a good one. Cheers.