One of the things that I’ve noticed about myself, and others like me, is a pattern of hyper-independence and self-reliance. These traits aren’t uncommon in people with some trauma in their history.

And whether they truly couldn’t rely on others, or felt like they had to figure things out all on their own, this belief can set people up with a habit of not asking for help.

Today on The Karen Kenney Show, we’re talking about why going it alone isn’t always the best answer.

We’ll dive into four concepts that can be observed and applied to both business and personal life: hard work, guesswork, frameworks, and teamwork.

We’ll also discuss the difference between intentionally experimenting and aimlessly flinging spaghetti at the wall and why having a group of “strong swimmers” to support you can make all the difference in the world!

I’ll also share about why joining my email list is a good idea right now and the benefits of signing up for my spiritual mentoring group: THE NEST!

Plus, I let you know about hitting pause and a possible way to support the show upon return!

KEY POINTS:

• 43rd Anniversary of Mom’s Death

• Habit of Self-Reliance

• Four Concepts in Change

• Importance of Spiritual Fellowship

• Having a Compassionate Witness

• Encouragement and Support in Personal Growth

• Hitting Pause on the Podcast

• The Nest: Spiritual Mentoring Group + Community

KK BIO:

Karen Kenney is a certified Spiritual Mentor, Writer, Integrative Change Worker, Hypnotist and Coach. She’s known for her dynamic storytelling, her sense of humor, her Boston accent and her no-BS approach to Spirituality and transformational work. 

She’s been a yoga teacher for 23+ years, is a Certified Gateless Writing Instructor, and is also an author, speaker, retreat leader and the host of The Karen Kenney Show podcast.

A curious human being, life-long learner and an entrepreneur for 20+ years, KK brings a down-to-earth perspective to applying spiritual principles and brain science that create powerful shifts in people’s lives and businesses.

She works with people individually in her 1:1 program - THE QUEST, and offers a collective learning experience via Group Mentoring in The Nest. She supports both the conscious and unconscious mind by combining practical Neuroscience, Subconscious Reprogramming, Integrative Hypnosis, and Spiritual Mentorship. These tools help clients regulate their nervous systems, remove blocks, rewrite stories, rewire beliefs, and reimagine what’s possible!

Karen wants her clients to have their own lived experience with spirituality and to not just “take her word for it”. She encourages people to deepen their connection to Self, Source and Spirit in down-to-earth, tangible, and actionable ways without losing sight of the magic.

Her process, of transforming “Your Story To Your Glory” helps people to shift their minds from an old thought system of fear to one of Love - using compassion, un-shaming, laughter and humor. Her work is effective, efficient, and it’s also wicked fun!

KK’s been a student of A Course in Miracles for close to 30 years, has been vegan for over 20 years, and believes that a little kindness can make a big difference.

Hey, welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm so happy to be here

with you guys today. And I made myself a bunch of notes, because

there's a lot that I have to tell you. But I'm going to try

to keep it succinct. But I want to make sure I don't forget

anything. So this is episode 270. And I think I'm gonna call

this sucker. Why go it alone? Why go it alone? Meaning like a

question almost. It's like, yeah, like, why are we trying to

go it alone not not like making an argument for why going it

alone is a good idea. It's actually the opposite of that.

So we're gonna dive into that. But before I do, I want to talk

to you about a couple of things. Number one, so this is important

for me, for me, so so beautiful human, dear listener, thank you

for allowing me to share your ears for a few moments. So I'm

actually recording this on May 7, and today, May 7 is the 43rd,

I can't even believe I cannot even believe my mother has been

gone for 43 years, but is the 43rd anniversary of the death of

my mother. And so there's a part of my self that is obviously

very present in here with you and sending you so much love.

And there's another part of my little kid hat that sad and just

misses her mom. So I just want to acknowledge it, today is an

important day in my life, every year, I recognize my mother her

awful Murta and I tried to celebrate her life. And also,

you know, with the importance and seriousness of of her death

to not, you know, just kind of sweep that under the rug and

ignore it. In fact, I wrote a pretty long post today, and I

sent out to my email list the story about why today, I think

something, something that's been on my mind. And so here's the

thing, if you're not already on my email list, I highly

encourage you to do that. Especially if you love this

podcast, meaning you love the stories that I tell him this

podcast, you love the tools and the resources and stuff that I

share, you're not gonna want to miss out on getting on my email

list. And I'll explain more why at the end. So please stick

around. And tomorrow is also a big deal. Because Tomorrow is

Wednesday, May 8, this is 2024 Whenever you might be listening

to this podcast, May 8 2024, because it is the return of my

spiritual mentoring group and community, the nest. And so I

ran the nest from May 2020 to May 2023 For three years, and it

was amazing. And then I hit pause, and I took a year off.

And now I am bringing it back. And the response has been like

just really fantastic. And it's touched my heart. And it's just

so beautiful. And I'm so happy to be welcoming back so many

beautiful humans and welcoming in some new folks. So again, if

you love the kinds of things that I talk about on this show,

and you've been looking for a spiritual community, and you no

longer want to try and go it alone, I highly encourage you to

also come join us in the nest. And I'll tell you a little bit

more about that at the end as well. But I want to make sure

right up front in case you don't listen to the end, that you know

that to get on my email list. You simply go to Karen

kenney.com/sign up or if you're interested in the nest, you go

to Karen kenney.com backslash you know that symbol slash nest

and E S T. Okay. Having said that now let's let's dive right

in. So you're probably going to be listening to this suck on May

9. And I wanted to talk about why go it alone because there's

something that I hit that I see. I've seen it like for years and

years and years and years and years. Okay, so this isn't like

oh me talking about those other people. This This episode is a

love letter to my heart as well right to myself for my ears as

well. But I have seen within myself and also with other kids

who have grown up with trauma, and whether that's capital T

trauma, really big things happening to them or just like

some people would call it small t trauma, right, is that we

learn how to be hyper independent. We learn to not

have needs we learn to not be a bother, right, we try to make

ourselves really self reliant. And we often get rewarded for

that right? If your family is in some sort of a crisis or there's

a sick sibling or an you know something's going on with your

parents a divorce, whatever, you know the kids who don't Don't

need or asked for or demand a lot of attention, they often get

rewarded for that by being the quote unquote easy one, or we

don't have to worry about that one or whatever the thing is.

And they learn not to ask for help. And I see this continuing

on, especially with the people that I work with, like in my

programs like the Nast, or at my retreats, or my one to one

mentoring, the quests and stuff like that. There's a lot of

people that will say that they kind of suck it like asking for

help, that they have become self reliable, and self reliant,

which I think is powerful and important. Yes. And it can also

tip into like a trauma response of not feeling like other people

would be willing to help you. And that to ask for help is

weak, or, you know, just it's just easier to do it, do it

yourself. And I also see it in people who have kind of like a

perfectionist streak where it's like, I'm the one that has to do

it. Because if I don't do it, it won't get done, right, etc, etc.

So when I see this pattern of always wanting to go it alone,

not asking for help not raising their hand, not like you know,

they again, they want to handle shit. They don't want other

people helping them, I can do it. How are you? Fine? Well,

it's clearly you're not fine, because I can tell by the tone

of your voice, but you know, definitely MIDI and you know

what I'm talking about? Right? Okay. So when I was thinking

about this concept of why go it alone, and why going it alone is

not is not the answer, in a lot of ways. In I reminded me of

something that I had heard before, from a business coach at

one point, and I heard this and I'm kind of expanding on it.

Okay. And it's this concept that and I think it's been around for

a while, but it's about this idea that that has to do with

business, but and it is applicable to business for sure.

And I'm also applying it to people's personal lives, okay.

So when you try to go it alone, and trust me, trust me, I am an

expert at this, I have tried to go it alone, most of my life,

although I have sought out right in the beginning through books,

because at my age back then there were no coaches, right?

Like what we had was books and cassettes. And in person

workshops, where you would drive somewhere to hear somebody speak

or whatever, right? Now we have 1000 ways to find teachers,

coaches, mentors, like whatever, but back in the day, but you had

to you had to do it yourself. So back then the approach was

always like had work, right. So these are the four concepts that

I'm going to kind of talk about their hard work guesswork

frameworks, and then teamwork. And this is, this is I'm going

to take you through each one. So in the beginning, whether it is

you are trying to grow a business or change yourself,

maybe there's a habit, maybe there's a pattern, maybe there's

a you know, a story that you keep telling yourself a way of

doing things a way of behaving, these unconscious patterns that

keep showing up in your life. And whether you feel like you

are self sabotaging yourself, you're getting in your own way

you feel stuck, whatever the thing is, and again, this can be

applied to both business in your personal life and relationships,

etc. We tend to start off first of all with the hard work,

right? It's just like, I am going to like, bang my head

against the wall until I figure this out. And I'm just gonna

work extra hard, you know, work harder than everybody else. And

I'm just gonna grind and hustle like all those things, right?

And especially as the child that grew up in like a blue collar

community, right had working Milltown, Lars Massachusetts,

right, hard working people, man. And so we don't shy away from

hard work. And we also just kind of came up with the thought

process, it kind of gets drilled into our DNA, that things don't

come easy for people like us. If we wanted anything, we had to

work hard, like hard work, hard work is going to figure all this

shit out. And it's like, hard work is great. I'm not afraid of

a little hard work, right? And I think there comes a point, when

you're it's what's making it so hard, is you're refusing to get

help or ask for help or look at it from a different perspective,

from you know, a teacher or somebody, a mentor, somebody a

coach, whatever, who has gone before you, who has already kind

of map that territory and is done that terrain, right? So

there's the hard work. And then the next step is is like, oh,

there's

hard work. And then it's like, okay, maybe I'm getting a little

momentum, I'm changing a little bit or I'm growing a little bit,

whatever the thing is, and then there's guesswork. The guesswork

comes in, when you try to copy what other people are doing. And

you're kind of like, oh, well so and so created, you know, this

thing or they created this funnel or this is how they write

their emails, or this is how they talk to their kids or this

is how, you know they work this problem out. And so you're kind

of trying to take on other people's things. Where they'll

you know, like you see it online. It's like, oh,

guaranteed six Fake your mom's and like, all this bullshit,

right? Just makes me want to stab myself in the eye with this

pen

oh my god, okay, and we're back. Okay. But with that, it's like,

Oh, I'm just gonna try a bunch of different stuff and cross my

fingers that it works. It's all guesswork. It's like nobody

knows what they're doing. They're just trying shit. And

while I am all for experimenting, I think business

and life it is a big classroom, it is a lot of experimenting.

And a lot of times, I don't know how I feel until I fuck around

and find out for myself. This isn't that like the guesswork is

just kind of like going like, because to me, when you are

experimenting, you're doing something intentionally, right?

Like you kind of know the components, you know what you're

doing for how long you're going to do it, you're going to track

the the outcomes like you're paying attention, guesswork is

just like flinging spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

and going like oh my god, like I don't know, thing is fingers

crossed, I guess you know what I mean? So there's the hard work

piece, when we're trying to go it alone. And then there's the

guesswork piece. Okay, then what actually starts to become

helpful is this next step, which is called the frameworks, which

is how I kind of think about when you finally get yourself

some support. And whether that is, again, reading books,

listening to podcasts, you know, checking out studies, getting a

coach, getting a mentor, a spiritual mentor, somebody like

myself, whatever. And then we can start to bring in some

frameworks, we can start to bring in some spiritual

practices, like I'll just use myself, for example, some

spiritual practices, some neuroscience tools, right, some

subconscious reprogramming tools like hypnosis, and some ways to

regulate your nervous system, right? And tools, practices, and

then resources, like cultivated resources. And these are all

things that I do with my clients, and for my clients. And

for the people who join things like the NES is I curate a bunch

of resources. And I say, here are these books, check out these

podcasts. Here's a link to this. And I also obviously share my

own wisdom of having, you know, 55 years of lived experience, as

well. So you can see it's that's really had the hard work. And

then there's the guesswork. And then there's Ooh, some

frameworks. And with the framework, sometimes even still,

you're going it alone again, because you might just be

reading about them. Or maybe you get somebody's daily email, or

you're reading like somebody's book, or whatever it is. So but

frameworks can be wicked, wicked helpful. But then there's like

teamwork. And this is kind of the heartbeat of what I'm

getting at today on the show, which is teamwork, right? They

always say teamwork makes the dream work. And there's a reason

why. Now look, I always say in this spiritual work and personal

development, whatever we want to call it mindset, where people

call all kinds of different things, right? But for me, it's

all spiritual work, even though the mind will be involved in the

body might be involved in the in and etc, etc, right? So those

four, those four layers, I always talk about, right? The

physical, the mental, the emotional, and the spiritual, to

me, they're all kind of connected under the spiritual.

But I know that when we go together, meaning we don't try

to, like, you know, do it all on our own all the time. Because

there is something beautiful about figuring some things out

for yourself, you feel really good about it. It's like, Hey, I

did it. Like that's great personal accomplishment is

great. But we get a lot farther sometimes, right? When we will

share the work with others, when we get to be in a group or a

community with other people who are doing either similar work,

because it lightens the load, when we have shared experiences.

It lightens the load, you get also like human connection,

which is so important, you get to hear the collective wisdom of

what other people are trying what they've tried and how it's

failed for them. And it's not somebody else telling you what

you should do. It's just that you get access to it's like

beehive right, you get a lot more buzz, you get a lot more

opportunities to see different people applying things and going

like, oh, that sounds like it resonates with my heart. That

sounds like it makes sense for me. And I remember watching a

show recently, and one of the characters was really struggling

with something. And she didn't want to tell her father, she

didn't want to tell them her best friend, the people closest

to her. And she's like, I didn't want to burden you with this.

And they were like, What don't you understand? We love you.

This isn't a burden to us. And when you share it with us, then

I get to carry part of it for you. Like I can walk along

beside you. Right and to me this is the whole point of community

and why I one of the big reasons why I reopened the NASS is

because I know so many people are going through such difficult

and challenging times right now. Even just some of the people who

have come back to the nest this past year when the nest was

closed, like some shit went down, you know what I'm saying?

And it's not just them. It's just humans. Human life, I

always say like, this being human is like an ongoing

problem, right? It's, it's like, every day, like, you know, every

day, something new shows up, and it's like, what's today gonna

bring? And it can feel a lot easier to kind of navigate this

human experience, when you have support and help. Okay, so I

want to read something to you. I want to read something to you

that my, one of my teachers, he's no longer with him with us

in physical form, but he's always always with me, I

believe. He talks about it like this. So I'm talking about

teamwork, like spiritual fellowship, write specifically,

in this case, I'm talking about like the nest, the community,

the group. And he says this about spiritual fellowship, and

I friggin love it. He says, the spiritual aspirant must swim

upstream against the current of habit, familiar clarity and

ease. And what he's saying here, and I'm going to just speak a

little bit, and then I'll read the whole thing, thing all the

way through without my commentary. But when you're

trying to do spiritual work, or you're trying to do personal

development work, and when you're trying to grow when

you're trying to transform something when you're trying to

gather more tools, so that you can navigate your life with with

more with with less frustration, with less fear, right, and to be

able to move through the world with more fun and flow and

freedom. That's what I always say. And so often, you know,

we're bumping up against shit within ourselves. And I've said

this before, but I really want you to let this sink in 95, at

least 95% of everything we think, say and do comes from our

subconscious, we are not even aware of why we think what we

think say what we say and do what we do, and why we believe

what we believe we just are almost like on this loop of

telling the same old stories, getting in the same old

situations, right and believing with this operating from this

ego mindset of fear, which is the realm of like scarcity and

sickness and shame and sin and blame and like you know, all the

all this stuff of like separation and specialness and

all this shit that gets us into trouble. Right? All the stuff

that makes this whole human, this whole human experience,

like really choppy and hard sometimes, you know, so when

we're trying to kind of like Polish ourselves is I would say,

like, take off the sharp edges, when we're trying to show up,

like in better heat being better humans, it's really helpful to

have, you know, other people who are going with you on the

journey. Because when you are trying to stop doing those

subconscious things, when you're trying to become more aware and

wake the fuck up. And like realize, like who you've been,

and how you've been, when they're, especially when they're

not in alignment with the truth of who you are. It's like Jesus

Christ, and then all of a sudden making a decision, like, Hey,

I'm gonna try to be better, do better think better, speak

better to myself to others be more kind and less violent in

the way I'm showing up in the world. You know, when we're

trying to go against the grain of our old conditioning, it is

not easy. And this is what a Swaran is speaking to. Okay. Let

me read this again. He says the spiritual aspirant must swim

upstream against the current of habit, familiar clarity and

ease. It is an apt image. We know how the salmon fights its

way along, returning at last to its original home, those who set

out to change themselves. And if you are listening to this

podcast, sorry. If you're listening to this podcast, I

know you are on some sort of a journey to change yourself. Or

you wouldn't be listening, okay. Those who set out to change

themselves are swimming against the relentless flow of the

selfish life. Truly, We need every bit of support we can get.

We need friends, loyal companions on the journey. We

have to do the swimming Of course, nobody else can do it

for us. But there will be an easier and swifter passage. If

we can swim with those who encourage us who set a strong

pace and will not stop until they reach their destination.

Oh, every time I read this, I just think like double Amen

hands. Yes. And Ali lujah especially this last piece about

nobody can do it for us. Yes, we know right? We We'd love to be

hyper independent and do it all. We love to go it alone.

But why would we continue to do that when we know that there is

a better way, an easier way, a more fun way? Like, why would we

keep doing that? It's nonsensical, right? It makes no

sense. In fact, it I'm not gonna say it's stupid. But I will say

that it's patterned and habitual. And when you're

recognizing yourself in any of this, it's good news, because

you're hearing it like, it's finally like going like boop,

like, you're like, Yes, this is me, I might want to take a look

at this, I might want to make a different joys. But this peace,

it will be easier and easier in swift passage, if we can swim

with those who encourage us, let me tell you this, people in the

nest of some of like, I am like numero uno, like number one

cheerleader of humans, I love, love to encourage and support

humans as they are walking this path. And you also get another

whole group of beautiful humans who are cheering you on as well

who are supporting you on this. You also want somebody who's

going to set a strong pace again, that's me as the group

leader, kind of driving the pace of things. Now, this doesn't

mean that I'm going to rush anybody through their emotional

experience. People take their time you grieve at your own pace

you forgive or not at your own pace, right. It's not about

rushing people. But it is about being steadfast and is about

setting a pace where it's like, Hey, we're not here to sit

around, and navel gaze and feel sorry for ourselves and just

relive all our traumas, we are here because there is work to

do. And I'm going to walk along beside you compassionately. I'm

going to be loving, but firm, you know what I mean? Okay, and

we will not stop until they reach their destination. And

that's one thing I will say about myself is that I am

determined, right, those five ds of DSP, you've heard me talk

about the daily spiritual practice, daily dedication,

determination, discipline and devotion. That is me in a

nutshell, I am not going to give up. I'm not going to give up on

myself, I'm not going to give up on you. But it doesn't matter

that I don't give up on you, hopefully, hopefully, just by

being in a group of fellow people who are doing this work,

you will not give up on you. That's what I find most

important and interesting. And so think about this again,

you've tried probably the hard work, you have probably tried

the guesswork. You have possibly tried some frameworks. But have

you really gone all in on teamwork? Have you found

somebody like not singular, like, even if it's one other

human, right, who is trying to make strides who is trying to,

and it's not about being coming this thing, so much of this work

is about unlearning unbecoming the bullshit that you aren't,

it's about removing the blocks and barriers to love. It's about

it's about like clearing away the clutter and lifting the veil

of the illusion of separation so that you can remember that you

are love itself, you are want to God's kids, you are innocent and

holy and whole. And amazing. So the work isn't about I've got to

do all these steps. So then I'm worthy of love. It's like, no,

no, no, no, this is about removing all that bullshit that

keeps you from seeing that you are already worthy, and lovable,

and capable of loving, you know, being loving and capable of

love. So important. So I hope that if you're recognizing

something about this, and you're like, Yeah, you know what,

you're right. I have tried to do it on my own, I am feeling like

I'm kind of spinning my wheels, I am kind of in the same place.

Or maybe you've seen a little progress or whatever. But look

for my hat to your hat. If you're sick and tired of trying

to figure it all out by yourself, you don't have to. And

the thing about the nest and look, I'm talking about this now

for a reason. I'm going to tell you in a moment, I'm starting to

wrap this up. The nest is like 50 bucks a month. Okay? It's

like that is less than a small black coffee. I don't even drink

coffee, but I did the research. It's less than a small black

coffee at dunks and Dunkin Donuts, right a day. Right? And

look, it's a monthly thing. You sign up you come in you dig it

you stay you don't dig it, you forget to leave See you later.

But there's some amazing things that are going to be happening

in them. And one of them is twice a month. We have group

mentoring calls, where I coach people, I do some teaching,

there's some discussion, maybe there's a q&a, but I do I do

that that mentoring is just happening in a group experience,

right? We're all on a zoom call and we're doing the work. And

then there's an incredible like private Facebook group where

people connect and interact and engage and really cheer each

other on and they listen, you know, the good humans, and it's

a powerful, powerful place and somebody, you know, somebody did

a post the other day, or left a comment the other day just

saying that, you know, the nest is one of the most powerful and

transformational containers and groups that they've that they're

aware of that they've ever known. And that's like a really

big deal. And it was a really kind thing to say, and it really

touched my heart. And so thank you, you know who you are. So it

was really lovely. So here's the thing, guys, and this is why I'm

bringing it up. And this is why I'm inviting you to also get on

my email list. Because Because just like I took a pause in the

nest last year, and I took a year off, I'm not saying it's

going to be a year, but I am taking a pause from doing the

podcast, it has been five years that I have been doing this

sucker nonstop, right 270 episodes, I have been going

straight through it. And the reality about having a podcast

that maybe a lot of people don't know, is yes, there are people

who just like grab their phone and talking to their phone, and

then like just take the audio and stick it somewhere. But when

I decided to do my podcast, I decided that I really wanted to

do it right, which meant I got the expensive mic, right? Like I

got the light, I did all the things, I got the mixer behind

the thing, I really wanted this to be something that people

would want to listen to literally just even at the

baseline level, having good solid quality, like audio, you

know what I mean? And then I also had a podcast team, right,

there's a group that I have been a company that I had been using

for five years to help me produce the show meaning like I

do the recordings, I send the thing I help with the show notes

and stuff. But you know, they're they were creating the graphics,

and they're creating those little videos that you see the

little snippets, and they were like, you know, editing it and

putting the intro and the outro like, I don't really edit my

show, like I don't go through and, and, you know, really take

out any content, what you see is what you get, but they were like

putting the intro and the outro on data. And here's the thing,

I've never told any I haven't told my listeners this before.

But I have poured easily, easily over. I'm not even saying I'm

just going to use this, but over this $25,000 into producing this

podcast. And it's not always also financially viable. Right.

So it'll be nice to like, you know, in here's the thing. This

isn't the reason why I'm stopping the show or pausing the

show, but it is one of the reasons why because I recently

was like, Yeah, I can't keep like pouring that kind of, of

money into the show. And some of the responses were, well, well,

why don't you like do a Patreon or put it behind a paywall or do

it as a subscription? And I was like, Oh, Jesus Christ, no, I do

not want to have to now start making people sign up to get it

and pay and do all this stuff. And then the next thing was like

starting a tip jar. And you may have heard me mention, if you're

a loyal listener, a few episodes back where I said, you know, if

you're interested if you know there might be a new way for you

to support the show. And what it was going to be is I was going

to offer a tip jar, and who knows when the show when I bring

the show back maybe I will offer that that people if they feel

compelled to like I said it's not buy me a coffee cuz I don't

drink coffee, but I might set up a little tip jar for people that

support the show. But what happened is I stopped using the

company just strictly financially, I was like, Yeah, I

can't keep pouring all this money into the, into the into

the podcast. So I'm gonna start doing it myself. So I'm proud to

say that with my sweetie self, he edited like the audio for me

that I had been the one who's been producing the show, the

last couple of weeks, you probably fingers crossed,

haven't even noticed that I've taken it over, fingers crossed.

Or maybe you're just being nice, you haven't said anything. The

only thing that's changed is I haven't been creating those

little video snippets. I've still been getting it on, you

know, YouTube and all that shit myself. So I'm really proud of

it. But here's the deal. I have some other projects that really

have been needing my attention and they're projects that I

really want to pour my full self into. And I just can't keep

doing everything all at once. You know, and there was somebody

who recently said, you know, you know, you know, oh, you really

can have it all. You know, you can be like, whatever it's a mom

or a dad, it doesn't matter. You can be a mom, you can have a

business you can do this you can get back in shape, you can tell

and my attitude is like yeah, you maybe can do it all and have

it all like I don't know, but having it all but like they'll

Yeah, maybe you can do it all and I said but you can't do it

all all All at once. And that's kind of where I'm at. And so,

the show is one of the things that I am going to put on pause.

The good news is, is that there's 270 episodes. So if you

just added recently listening, you can go back to the beginning

and enjoy yourself like have a bit and have fun, like

listening. And I just want to be clear. I don't know what's gonna

happen. But I love doing a podcast so I don't think that

this is goodbye. I think of this more as like, see you later

alligator. See it in a wild crocodile? I'll be over buck. I

don't know. But I have I have some other projects that really,

really, really need my attention. And something that

they need. I want to put my my lifeforce, my energy, my

creativity, my time my resources into them. One of them is the

nest, of course. So if you feel like oh, no, like I'm going to

miss the show. I'm going to miss hearing what you have to say.

I'm going to miss learning from you. Again, join my email list

at the bare minimum Karen kenney.com/sign. up or come and

join us in the NASS like I said, it's 50 bucks a month it is.

I've heard so many people say that. They're like the level of

support for the money is ridiculous. It's so fantastic.

And that it's spiritual guidance for real people like all you

have to do is go to my website read, you can read some of the

beautiful testimonials. I have a ton of them. I didn't obviously

put a ton of them on my website. I didn't want to be obnoxious.

But if you have any questions about the nest, please let me

know. And because you're hearing this, if you listen to this, on

May 9, the day that it comes out, then the night before May

8, right would be the first episode, the first group call

that we have in the nest. But there's always recordings, I

record them and people can listen to the replay. So even if

you missed the first one, it's not a big deal. Okay. But I

would love to have you come join us. So if you have any curiosity

that feels like it's Caliente a hat, if you're interested, I

would love that. And I also just want to say thank you so so so

much like sincerely, from the bottom of my heart. For those of

you who might be new, thank you for coming, giving the show a

shot. For those of you who have been listening since episode

one, I love you, I appreciate you so much. And it has been

knowing that like I see the download numbers, I see who's

listening, I know we're oh well up over like 120,000 downloads.

So I know people have been listening and people love the

show. And I appreciate that support so much. And if I come

back right in time, whenever that is, hopefully not too long,

and I'll keep you guys you'll know the people on my email

list, we'll find out first when when the show comes back. If and

when it comes back, I have a sense that it will be back.

That's that's the fastest way to to to sign up. And I might also

not be you know, shy about creating a tip jar to support

the show. Because it does take a lot of time, energy, it has been

a labor of love, trust me. And it's interesting too. And this

is the other thing that I want to say, you know, my sweetie is

a professional musician. And for many years, he did not put out a

tip jar. And I finally said to him, like let me make you a

little thing. Like let me make you a little sign a little tip

jar. And the second he did. We were both like just like I just

started laughing because people wanted to support his artistry

people wanted above and beyond whatever the you know, the venue

was paying him. People wanted to tip him. People want to say

thank you for sharing your gift with us. Thank you for all the

time and the hours that you poured into your craft to make

this thing look so easy and sound incredible, right? Like

all of it. And I was so happy for him. And then one day

recently he said to me, remember when you told me to put out the

tip jar? He's like, I think it's your turn. Let people who loved

the show support you. So we'll see. I just don't want there to

be any surprises. That's why I'm talking about it now in case I

come back around. Okay. You guys, I appreciate you so much.

Episode 270. I don't think it's going to be the last time you

hear from me. Okay. But I am going to take a little pause a

little pause and little like I said a little See you later

alligator a little inner wild crocodile. But just thank you so

much. I appreciate you. I love you. And remember, don't go it

alone. Right? Haven't we done this long enough? Haven't we?

The shenanigans of I'm going to do it myself. I'm going to do

the hard work. I'm going to do the guesswork great. But if you

come join the natural definitely, you're definitely

I'm gonna make the hard work not as hard. We're going to take

away the guesswork, right. Yeah, you might still have to try some

things but we're not going to be like just throwing shit at the

wall and hoping it sticks. I'm definitely going to support you

with some frameworks. You And you're definitely going to get

some teamwork which is going to make the whole thing much

sweeter and easier. And way more fun. Okay, you guys, thank you

so much. Wherever you go, may you leave yourself, the animals,

the place, the planet, the environment better than how you

found it. Wherever you go. May you having been there, right, be

a blessing. Now go on out there and spread some more love in the

world. Bye