Ron: Unless it's an experience to you, at least some level of it is an experience to you, it's still just a doctrine to us. We can quote the greatest doctrines in the world, but it doesn't change us, or it doesn't change the world either. It has to be an experience.
That's one thing we can claim tonight. Let's claim a deeper experience with God—walking in us, being in us, and speaking through us.
Yes, we agree with that. The world needs it. We need it. Everybody needs it.
Ken: I do know that the passing of Charlie Kirk was such an example of what we're talking about tonight, because the Word came out of his spirit and ministered to a host of people. I don't think a person just speaking words per se, out of a text or out of a writing that he was gonna speak about—or it's when it comes out of the reality of who you are.
And this is the truth. This is what people are looking for today—something that's real.
Debbie: They're looking for something that's not phony. Everything else they see is phony. Then you get someone that speaks from their heart, that's real to them. There's something there. There's something there I want; there's something there I need because it's real.
They have a relationship, and they can see it. And they sense it, and the kids really want this so badly because everything else is so—
Ken: Religious. Really, a lot of it's just religion. It's based on what they've done for a thousand years. I think people in general want something that's living. It's real, and it can be retained. It can come into you, your being, and become a part of you. That's what this relationship with God is all about.
Debbie: Yeah.
Mike: It has to come too, by revelation. It does.
Ron It's living epistles. A true living epistle to me is a person that has had an experience with the Lord—not one, but you know what I'm saying—in a way of life. He's entered into a relationship with the Lord where he can stand in His presence and speak the Word from God.
And there's an impartation, and it's not a word of man. A word of man’s totally different than a word from God because God's Word—you’re not looking for their acceptance. You're not looking for their approval. You're not looking for really anything on a human level. It's an impartation from the heart of God to people.
It's an impartation. It creates it. His Word doesn't need your acceptance. His Word does not need your approval. It's a Word from God. And when God speaks, it's the bottom line, and it happens.
Ken: He took us out of the domain of darkness and delivered us into His light, into His kingdom. There is a definite change of how you feel, how you think—everything around you changes. If it's not that real, you haven't had that experience.
Mike: Yeah, it's words of spirit, words of life—eternal, life-giving Word.
Ken: I really think what we're looking at is dead works and living works. Because when you do something out from your heart, it becomes something that you feel that you are driven to do, and you want to participate with someone, help them, be a part of what they're going through.
But the dead works would come from a religious order that says you have to do this and you have to do that. That's the way you're gonna earn your way into heaven. That's not true. That is not true. It comes from a relationship with the Lord first.
Debbie: I go and feed all the homeless all the time. I go feed the homeless, I go help. I go visit in the prisons. I do all these things, and yet, do I really do them in the Spirit of the Lord? Because if I do it as unto the least of these, my brethren, you did it unto Me. Am I doing it unto You every time I do it?
Because sometimes I think people just do it to do good work, just to work their way into heaven—make sure that they're gonna have a place in heaven—and they don't understand. If it doesn't come out of a relationship with the Lord, you might as well be picking up sticks and throwing 'em at people.
Ron: God's looking at the heart. He's looking at the motivation of the heart. And so you can do a podcast. You can go out and feed the poor if that's what God puts in your heart to do.
Debbie: If that's what the Lord shows you to do, yeah.
Ken: The leading of the Lord—and why are you doing it?
Debbie: Yeah.
Ken: To be seen of man? To do something that somebody says, “Oh, that was a good thing you did for that person.” That's not good enough; you get your reward there.
Mike: They say, “Did not we do this? Did not we do that?” There you go. It's the question of focus. If it's focus, you're doing this to build yourself up—like the people when they were commanded by God, “Populate the earth.” No, we're gonna make a name for ourselves and make Babylon the city.
And it's a thing where—focus—they disobeyed the Lord's command and did their own thing.
Mike: He separates the soul and the soulish attitudes and the soul-flesh side of things from the true spiritual side. That's right. It's not by power, nor by might, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord.
And we're in the day of Spirit. I tell you, more—
Ken: And more, Mike, that just rings in my ears. It's about the Spirit—
Debbie: In this day. We are in the day of Spirit, and we are, and we're in the age of Spirit. Whether people realize it or not, they're still being affected by the Spirit of the Lord. That's what the kids are looking for. That's what the kids were looking for.
They're looking for something that resonates with them, that ministers to their spirit. They don't realize it, but it ministers to their spirit, and because it ministers to their spirit, they open up and they want and have it. Because they've never seen it before. They've never seen the realm of Spirit. They've never seen a spiritual relationship with the Lord.
Ron: It's all about the Spirit. It's about the impartation of Christ's Spirit through a spoken word or through an action. Some people are—God's got people out there, I believe, doing things, feeding the poor or whatever they're doing—but there's a Spirit of the Lord behind those actions.
Ron Here's a great example:Charlie Kirk.
Ken: The interesting part about Charlie—and we get back to Charlie a little bit—he was driven by the Spirit. He didn't look for awards, he didn't look for anybody to praise him. He simply did what he was doing by the will of God.
And I really believe that with all my heart. He touched so many people that in his death, many people really had the impartation of who he was in their spirits, and they came alive. This is what it's all— About.
Mike: Charlie, when he spoke a living word, it touched people's lives. His being taken out the way he was—a lot of people that were on the fence, so to speak—realized that this is something to take seriously here, because everything Charlie talked about and spoke about and his life emulated was—he had a relationship with the Lord.
Glaringly obvious, very smart individual. He could quote you the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, how they came about, who wrote those things. He was so smart when it came to things like that. And the kids he's talking to are so ignorant of these things because they're not being taught these things in school, which is really sad.
They need to know the history of our country and how much God played in that history.
Ken: Not many wise, not many noble, not many powerful people—but it's the little ones. It's the ones that have no value on a human level.
Debbie: And it's only just begun. That's what the Lord has begun. It's not gonna be able to stop.
Ken: So when we have a relationship with the Lord, that means in us is a part of the whole plan of God. Because in that relationship, we become a part of what He's doing in the earth. And that part is that He lives within us.
We become His temple. We become His abiding place. We become His place of working out all the details of the Kingdom. We're not doing it; He's doing it through us. We become His arms and His legs.
Yes, we're just given to that because of His presence, His anointing, who He is. If we don't have this relationship with God, if we're not born again and changed on the inside and become the temple of the Holy Spirit, the life doesn't reside in it.
