Can you elevate your behavior? Can you stop being efficient at doing the things that don’t need to be done? Can you increase the trust and connection that others have with you so they can be invested in your vision? And can you learn to stop having an opinion about everything and opt for kindness over being right?

My guest today thinks you can, listen in as I talk with Kevin Kepple, a transformative coach and  the host of the Unlock Your Freedom podcast who works with business owners and executives to help them create clarity in their business, massive impact with their leadership, and freedom in their lives.

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Okay.

I have a lot in common with today's.

We both think we're funny and have spouses that would beg to differ.

We both escape to the mountains with our dogs that have human names.

We love to bike, and his drink of choices is Topo Chico.

Mine as well.

If you rim that glass with a little tine and then toss them tequila and

lime into it, welcome to episode 1 33 of this Shit Works, a podcast dedicated

to all things networking relationship.

Building in business development.

I'm your host, Julie Brown, professional speaker, author, and networking coach,

and today I am joined by my new friend, Kevin Keel, to discuss loads of different

things, including how to be awesomer.

So.

Who is this Kevin person you ask?

Well, he's a transformative business coach, working with business owners and

executives to help them create clarity in their business, massive impact with their

leadership and freedom in their lives.

He is also the host of the Unlock Your Freedom podcast with weekly

episodes where Kevin provides.

Step-by-step training, coaching, and accountability to leaders who want to take

their life in business to the next level.

Well, doesn't that sound fabulous?

So without further ado, let's get started.

Kevin, welcome to the podcast,

What's up Julie?

Glad to be here.

Has anybody ever told you you have like the best radio voice,

Yeah, I might've heard that.

Uh, I'm like, my best friend's, like, dude, you have the perfect face for radio.

I'm like, that's an old joke, but screw you either way, man.

Oh, oh yeah.

I was the first thing I thought when I listened to your podcast.

I was like, how damn.

That is a voice All right.

I'm gonna start off.

I've listened to a bunch about your podcasts.

I've listened to other people interview, gone through some of your coaching

programs, and you have this thing that you have said that if you want more

out of life, it's not simply about doing more, it's about being more.

And I'm gonna come in and say, isn't that a little.

Uh, let's see, against the grain of where we are right now with people saying like,

burnout culture, and you are enough, and like, let's do the anti hussle.

Like, don't like, Hmm.

Let's just dive into that as a topping a as a talking point,

I think the reason I like to repeat that frequently is so that Kevin

can hear it again and again and again because you know, Peter Drucker has that

great quote in the Efficient Executive where he said, you know, there's nothing

so useless as doing efficiently, that which shouldn't be done at all and.

And I always think, like the example in my head is like, you know, my wife comes home

from, we're doing whatever she's doing.

She's like, what'd you do all day?

I was like, well, I trimmed the whole front yard by hand

with a pair of scissors.

Look at it.

It's awesome.

It took me 12 hours, perfect uniform.

But you know what?

That's busy.

I don't wanna be busy.

I wanna be productive.

And you know, like you mentioned, the podcast is unlock your freedom.

Freedom means, you know, creating the way I wanna create

with who I wanna create with.

And if I'm simply busy.

That busyness leads to some form of resistance generally, and that resistance

leads to stress, which leads to overstress and then a bump up against people and

spill out all over 'em and things I don't want so busy, not productive,

I guess, would be the short answer.

but isn't busy such a thing right now where it's like

a, it's like a badge of honor.

Look how busy I am.

It's a question that most people get when you, when somebody says, how are you?

The two questions you're probably gonna, or three answers you're probably

gonna get are fine, good, and busy.

Like it's a badge of honor.

Yeah.

And I, I think that is, uh, a reaction, right?

And, you know, anytime we're reacting, it's like we have two

choices we can create, we can react.

And if I react, that's just resistance.

That's the ego.

And you know, the ego, it has to.

Identify with something, and so it identifies with busy.

Like, look at me.

I'm busy.

I'm awesome.

I'm like, cool man.

That just means you haven't figured out a smart way to do it yet.

I mean, isn't that sort of like the American way though?

What I mean by that is, We are brought up on a steady diet of work, work, work,

work, work, and it's, you almost feel bad if you are successful or make a

lot of money in a short amount of time.

Absolutely.

I mean, that was my model.

I mean, my grandfather worked at, you know, his tail off and created, you

know, a nice life for himself and his family and came from little and my dad

on, you know, that was on my mom's side.

My dad was a CPA and man, I don't know if you know this,

but accountants love to work.

Oh my gosh.

Like he would work.

12, 13 hours a day.

Like, and not just tax season, like he would crush it.

I never once heard him complain about work.

It was his company.

But I mean, you still complain even if it's your company.

And uh, and it was just amazing this model that I had, and then I, you know,

felt guilty anytime I wasn't working.

But if I'm constantly going, like, where's the recovery?

You know, where's that regenerative stuff?

And if my spring is always sprung, there's no power in it.

So I have a que This leads me to a great question.

So my husband's an architect and architects very much will.

Extended hours.

And it's almost like they just love working.

They love designing, they love putting, you know, it used to be

pen to paper and now it's, you know, your mouse to your Revit drawing and

just kneeling away on, on things.

And I always have this, this joke that I say the most architects die at their desk.

Like they just can't give up the job.

And how do you work with people who say, I love my job, I love

what I do, but I do it too much.

Yeah, I mean, pretty much everybody that I work with,

because most of the clients I have.

Successful, but they're just feeling stuck somewhere.

Whether, you know, it could be financially, physically, emotionally,

mentally, or, you know, pretty much how I do anything is how I do everything.

So if I'm stuck in one area, I'm probably stuck kind of across the board.

And, you know, you brought up an architect that's very similar to

an accountant like you kind of alluded to, you know, or a lawyer

or an engineer or maybe a professor.

Like any of those kind of late people, right?

That acronym and, and it's.

Like, in my humble opinion, that they're so pragmatic and logical

about everything and that makes sense.

I need to use reason and logic of course, but if that's all I

use, that's very finite, right?

Because that confines me to what I know if I'm being pragmatic and I wanna leverage

the infinite side of my nature and, you know, the, like that heart stuff,

you know, the unlimited parts of me.

And I just think that we give away so much power and we don't,

you know, live in that space as.

Do.

People who work in that logic part have a hard time tapping into the heart part.

Yeah,

Why do you think that is?

Like, do you think that, like you, it's almost like if you are really on

the logical side, are you not so much on the heart side, like, or, or is it

just something you haven't tapped into?

Uh, maybe a little bit of both.

I think it's just, it's risky to somebody who's super pragmatic to go

into the emotional side because it's unknown and you know, like anytime

I'm creating right, that's unknown and creativity's always a little, and I need

to be comfortable being uncomfortable.

And I mean, you're a business owner, you know that like if I ha if I have all of

the answers, then I'm gonna have, you know, a pretty much kind of a Groundhog

day life because I'm sticking to what I already know and that can cause me to live

my parents' life perhaps, or to live, you know, this life that I've had forever.

And you know, the one constant we have.

Is change, right?

Things are gonna change, right?

Like, cool, so, so what?

And that's really good news, but I need to be open to making a new decision

about myself, about the world I live in.

I've heard you talk a lot about this thing called the influence equation.

Can you tell the listeners what the Influence Equation is?

Sure.

Um, so for contrast, which gives us clarity, right?

Like see Kevin and age 15 to 30, I worked it backwards, which is completely wrong.

Go.

And so I would just start with the vision as a leader.

You know, I got promoted when I was in a sales role when I was young.

So I was good at sales and like, you're in charge now.

Like sweet.

So I just started telling people what to do, right?

Here's the vision, go get it.

And nobody cared.

And especially when I wasn't around, right?

Cuz they didn't feel connected.

And so the influence equation, it's trust, connection, and vision.

Because you know, basically everybody's.

Of a leader, which leadership is influenced according to John

Maxwell, godfather of leadership.

Right?

And if I, if I trust you, that's great.

Cause that means I feel safe around you.

And unless I feel safe, I'm not gonna be vulnerable.

And again, creativity's risky.

So I have to be vulnerable to create something new.

And if you wanna create.

A championship of any kind, whether it's, you know, your professional

team, uh, little league baseball team, a PTA or whatever, people

have to grow as individuals and grow together as a team, right?

That's how we coate and co-create together.

But if there's no trust, then there's definitely no connection.

And if I don't, you know, feel safe around you and feel connected

to you, I definitely don't feel connected to your vision.

I definitely don't really have nearly as much drive to co-create it with you.

Mm-hmm.

I love this next question because I talk a lot about work working with people,

especially around the idea of creating content around what they do, and I

always call it their, their genius zone.

And I think other people have used that term before and you.

Have another way of saying it.

You say you help leaders align with their natural genius.

So number one, what is natural genius?

Number two, does everybody have it?

So in that regard, I would say yes because like to me, genius has so much

more to do with habits than talent, right.

Because I have a certification from Gallup.

Coach with Strength Finders, right?

What Strength Finders identifies formerly Strength Finders.

Now it's called Clifton Strengths.

Same exact assessment, but what it identifies are your natural talents.

And so of the thousands of reports that I've seen from people on this,

there's always 34 talents listed the same, 34, just a different order.

And what's what's rare is people who can use those talents on

demands as strengths or superpowers.

That's what's rare.

And they've gotten to the habit of using, you know, their.

Expression of themselves on demand.

And like, you know, I'm left-handed when I was a little Kevin, my mom's

like, Hey, you're left-handed.

I'm like, cool, what does that mean?

And she means if you learn how to write your letters, you can write

left-handed and you know, whatever.

And I learned how to write at age.

I don't know how old we are when we learned to write six or whatever.

And so yeah, I was like 10.

Like, no, that doesn't seem right.

But anyways, like shortly, , shortly

grade.

Yeah, I was like 16.

I learned to drive and ride about the same time.

I was a stubborn

I do both.

Yeah, Hey lefties, do it.

Right.

So basically my growth of that strength of writing left-handed,

stopped shortly after I learned how to write because I learned cursive, but

I don't know how to use it anymore.

Cause I never write in cursive and so I don't try to develop that strength.

Right?

It's stopped and that's okay.

It can be static.

I don't get paid for my handwriting.

But with these natural talents that we all have, like the patterns of

behavior, we have the most energy.

Like that's what I want to constantly develop.

I'm a new version of me every day, and I could do better every day.

And you know, these are my superpowers and so I wanna make sure that I

understand how to use 'em on demand.

And so that's kind of the natural expression of our genius.

What are some of these 34 natural talent?

and, and, and everybody has this 34 to some degree, is what you're saying.

Yeah.

So there's only 34 total.

Right.

And there's always 34 listed on the report.

They're just in a different order and.

Gallup has been collecting data since their early 19 hundreds.

They started out with like farming data, right?

They're really good at collecting data and they've given this assessment

like 33 million times plus now, and there's like a one in 22 million.

Percent likelihood that you'd have the same top five in the

same order as somebody else.

Like very, very rare.

Like we all know that we're different, but what do we do?

We play the worst game in the world, right?

We play the comparison game.

I look at Julie Brown and I'm like, man, she is crushing it.

She is animated, she is awesome, and I'm none of those things, right?

And so I feel inferior or you know, vice versa.

Look at somebody and I'm like, oh, they can't even get the shoes on today.

Like, I feel superior.

And like both of those are a huge disconnect, right?

And you know, theatre R.

Comparison is the thief of joy.

Like I don't want to rob myself of.

And it's really, really powerful though.

We have this assessment, it shows our natural talents, and when I combine the

different talents together and really understand what it looks like on demand,

that's great because that's what, uh, gives me the balcony behavior, so to

speak, which is what I'm using about my talents in a positive and productive way.

What's really cool about the Streamliners assessment is it also shows you the base.

Which is when you give all your power away with your strengths

and make it all about you.

And so you ask for an example, like, number one strength

for me is called maximizer.

I love things that are awesome, like Julie Brown, she's awesome, and I wanna see

what the next level of Julie looks like.

I wanna see what the next, and the next, I wanna see what awesome IR looks like.

And the reason she used that made up word earlier.

It's from like a podcast where I, I broke English to title it, so thank

you for doing such good homework.

was so funny.

I loved it.

But, uh, with maximizer, what?

That's the balcony, you know, helping people just throw more logs

on the fire of their greatness.

Like whatever the next level of their evolution of greatness looks like.

The basement on maximizer is, we get really frustrated with

anything that's not awesome.

It's like, how why'd you even try if you can't do like, the best thing that's ever

been done here, why even getting started or pos, you know it, but it's really cool.

To have these framed up for us.

When I first took this, I worked in finance and positivity

is my number two strength.

And nobody else was very excited or positive about things.

And so I would turn positivity way down like, well, everybody

else isn't so excited.

Why should I be?

And, and that's a massive, you knows, Strength to have a good attitude and,

you know, just really understanding that, you know what, this assessment

gave me permission to be me.

Not that I needed it, but I would like look at my brother who's pretty much my

direct opposite as a, as far as talent.

And I'd feel bad cuz he's patient and methodical and I'm not.

I have activators, one of my strengths, it means like, I just

wanna jump off the cliff, build the wings on the way down, right?

Like Johnny Carson said.

Yes, I mean this, um, I think whenever you take a test that can sort

of break down why you do the things you do and, and tell you that they

are, you are born with those tendencies and those instincts is really helpful.

Uh, I felt like that when I did my Meyers-Briggs.

I felt like that when I did my Enneagram test.

It was just very much.

Okay.

This I, this is who I am, and now I have to play into these strengths

and recognize my weaknesses.

So are you a three or a seven on the gram?

I am an eight.

Eight.

Eight?

Yeah.

I thought that might be it.

Two.

Cuz.

So you gotta have the seven wing though, right?

Like to enjoy.

yep.

Yeah.

You, you guys, you ate, man, y'all are a handful

Oh yeah.

You know, like all, I think every c e O that I work with and I've

worked with in the past was an eight.

Like, you guys are so interesting because you like the conflict,

like that's how y'all process.

You like to push and be pushed

Yeah, so my, if you know anything about numerology, my life patch path

number is a seven, but my numerologist told me I had lived my entire life as

an eight, like trying to be an eight.

Like I will not conform to the seven

That sounds like a eight for sure.

On the Enneagram.

I'll do it my way.

I'm gonna do 'em my way.

I'm gonna put this square peg into a round hole, that's for sure.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

, hammer it right in there.

, even if

Yeah, and get a, get a wedged in there.

Real good because, Why wouldn't I?

It's my whole, I'll do whatever I want with it.

I wanna go back to something you said, because I do love that quote

about comparison being the thief of joy.

I would love to know if you have a trick to stop comparing yourself to other.

Yeah.

Stop having an opinion about everything

Okay.

Do you have a trick to stop an opinion to everything?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Learn to master the skill of choosing love over fear.

And you can do that by being intentional about being kind

more than you're being right.

You know?

Cause like I don't walk away from people who are right about

everything and feel good about.

But, you know, kindness is such a, a high emotion and it puts you in heart coherence

when you're, you know, in a kind place.

So, you know, you're instantly connected to the infinite part of your nature just

through kindness or, you know, compassion or whatever that really high regenerative

feeling is, but kind as opposed to right.

Like that right there, that'll change your life.

Kind over.

I do like that I, I'm going hundred percent transparent.

I like lean more to the right side of, I'm like, oh, I've right about this.

My nana, before she died, she was like, you always have to have last.

I was like, what

That's bright Nana.

did you say?

Something

Cut the crust, dolphin Uh,

I'd have to work on that kindness thing.

People say I'm, I'm nice person.

Eh, I'm, I'm begged to differ.

Um, I do kind things.

I just don't think I'm an overall kind person.

, I don't know.

I should work on that.

I should, I should show, sign up for your coaching.

We should just work on the kindness for me.

I think you're very kind.

you don't know me that well,

Kindness to me means wishing, you know, happiness for

others, right, or for ourselves.

I don't, so I did an episode on the German word sh Shaham Freud, which

is finding joy in other people's misery.

And I tried to wonder about myself.

I'm like, do I revel in other people's misfortune?

Like I don't like I karma a kinda person.

I dunno.

Probably gotta be honest, probably a little bit

Well, I want everybody listening to raise their hand if they've never

had that thought in their life.

And everybody that's got their hand up right now, you're a liar.

Uh, but no, I'm just, I'm just kidding.

It's true.

I it, it's true.

I also like, so I, I, I'm trying to like tap into a lot of the little

nuggets I learned from you in listening to the podcasts and stuff.

So I listeners, I apologize that there is not a tangent Oh,

a direct line on this podcast.

There is not an arc to this story.

We are just going in a lot of different directions.

It's all tangents.

Um, I've heard you say that a lot of people.

Just live in the past.

Like that's where they ex, they, uh, exist.

Um, and you want people to live in the present, but how, it just seems like

a very difficult thing to do is to not constantly think about your past, what

you could have done, what you could have said, what could be different.

So how do you te teach people to live in the, live, in the

present and focus on the future?

Great question.

So I heard this really.

Trick once it's called being kind more than you're being right.

And you know, one of the ways you get there, , oh, you're so funny.

Okay, so one of the ways that you can really practice that

is by being graceful, right?

Like, you know what?

Like, there's so many things in the past I would've done

differently, but you know what?

There's nothing I can do about that.

And that's just more ego, right?

And so I need to really let.

And be present to my life because otherwise, like one of my

strengths is called futuristic.

And I, I love to think about what could be, but if I say stuck

in the future, I get anxious.

Right.

And anxiety is my reward.

Yeah.

I need to look and see where I'm going.

But you know what?

Like you've got to release expectations.

because if I have expectations of the way I should have showed up in the

past or the way you should show up now, if I need myself to be a certain

way to be okay, or I need you to be a certain way, for me to be okay,

that's gonna be a really hard life.

You know?

But like it's really cool that we get to go through and experience life, right?

Like, and it's all over the place.

But if I'm constantly thinking about what's already happened or what's gonna

happen, I can miss out on like the beauty.

Life itself.

And that doesn't mean I'm like, I'm, you know, infallible to this, right?

Like, I think about what's already happened.

I think about what's coming.

But you know what, like if I need to make amends, I make amends and move on.

But if I'm carrying around all this baggage from the past,

like, dude, that's not fair.

That's average.

Anybody can do that.

And if I wanna be above average, I have to treat myself above average.

And you know, part of that is practicing the skill of being present.

How can people, somebody notice if they're not present?

When you're thinking about the past or thinking about the future, or you

simple question, simple answer, I guess like, but what do you say about,

okay, so if we're supposed to live in the prison, I feel like we're constantly being

told that we need to plan for the future.

What are you doing for the future?

What are your plans?

What are your three months plans?

What's your five year plan?

What's your 10 year plan like?

We're constantly planning for the future, like, and that's

what we're told to do, aren't we?

But like, yeah, that the goals are great, but I'm not married to the

goals I have because I created a goal with the information I have today.

And you know what?

Until I get into action, I really don't have any feedback.

Well, once I get into action and start getting feedback, I may realize

that this isn't what I want at all.

And so going back to expectations, like that's why expectations are so dangerous.

Like if I expect.

Do this and you don't, then you failed.

If I expect you to do this and you did, then cool.

That's what I expected.

Like, there's no winning with expectations.

It's like, ah, I prefer it works out this way.

But you know what?

I don't have all the information in the universe, right?

I don't have his plan.

Uh, all I do have is access to the present moment.

And you know, again, like I mentioned, futuristics, one of my strengths.

I can catch myself rushing through things I actually love doing to

get to something I hate, right?

Or that's a strong word,

right?

Yeah.

Why?

Why?

I feel like I'm the kind of person who looks forward to the future, and once

I'm there, I'm like, okay, what's next?

Like, I don't ever take the time.

And when I was in therapy, I even told this to my therapist.

I was like, I, I'm like, I'm so excited to get where we're going.

And then once we're going on board, there we're, I'm board

and I'm like, what's next?

Like, I'm constantly in a state of agitation about where I'm at

because I want what's ever next.

No matter how much I looked forward to being in that spot

on the, on the way there.

You ever read any Eckhart Toll?

No.

Should I, is that my homework assignment?

I might get into that.

Um, he likes to go super deep, but really powerful.

The power of now new Earth or stillness speaks like any of

those are pretty phenomenal.

If it means anything to anyone, new Earth was on Oprah's book list.

Um, I'm not sure why they put that on Kindle to tell you, but there you have it.

And one of the, one of the things he really talks about, He talks about the

ego really well, and just accepting like the isness of the present moment is a

really cool gift we can give ourselves.

You know, whatever it is, is no matter whatever story I make up about it.

And it's always the stories of the ego that get us sideways, you know, telling

us, you know, we should be this, you.

If we get this thing, then we'll be okay.

If we get rid of this thing, we'll be okay and I don't need anything to be okay.

I'm okay.

Like by default, you know, cuz happiness is inside us always.

It can just get covered up by a lot of stuff.

That just isn't true.

Are you saying our ego isn't good?

Like is there no

The

characteristics or to the ego like that help us?

Like it might be

mean the, there's probably a healthy side and I'm talking

about the narcissistic ego.

Mm

The, that dark side of us that we think we need to hide

and act like it doesn't exist.

Right.

Like the part where you're, you know, celebrating others' defeat, right?

Or

Shot em.

Freuder.

it's.

Yeah, , that's a great word.

But, but there's like ego blending, right?

Like, I wanna blend with that energy.

I want all of my energy, you know, directed at what I do want, because

whatever I'm focused on, that's, you know, what's gonna expand.

And energy always flows to the path of least resistance, right?

That's water flows downhill.

, and if you know the least amount of resistance is me accepting these

false stories of the ego that I'm not enough, you're not enough, we're not

enough, it's not enough, whatever.

If that's what I accept, that's the path of least resistance, and that's

why I keep getting the same patterns of behavior that I probably don't want.

Mm.

This makes me think of something that I heard you say in another one

of your episodes that, sorry, that overthinking will leave lead to sadness.

And I said that

you did say

was I talking about?

But I, I think that's a good point.

you were, you were, I'm referencing a, a quote from Thoreau

that it's not what sh what you look at it, it's, it's what you see.

Mm.

Well, think about it.

Like there's another really cool author I like to read his name's Anthony Dlo.

Um, and he, gosh, what'd he say?

He said The the Way to Love is one of his really well known books.

It's awesome.

Um, he's also got one called Awareness that's pretty good.

I think that's the name of it.

But he's, he said something to the effect of, it's not the people

around you, the places you're in that make you happy or unhappy.

It's the thinking in your head, you know.

We could be in the same situation and having two completely different

experiences because of the thoughts and then the emotional

reaction to the little thoughts.

Like, you know, I told you about my brother a little

bit, and my brother's awesome.

He's one of my best friends and my hero, he's two years older than

me, but I always joke with him, I'm like, dude, you're boring.

Like 70 years old.

You know?

He's like, why is it mature and boring?

Right.

No, he is awesome.

But like he loves to fish, right?

And he called me, he was telling me about this like three day fishing thing and like

Cobbles San Lucas with his friends and.

And they got done.

I was like, I'm sorry dude, I nodded it off as soon as you said fishing.

What were we talking about?

Right?

Because like fishing is the opposite of fun to me, and that's okay.

Like we don't have to like all the same things,

I I love that you said like he was born 70 because there are,

there have been people in my life, there are people in my life that you

can just tell they're an old soul.

Like they just, they, they seem to have Bo been born with

more experiences than a newborn

He's just so good at life.

I'm like, how are you so good at life?

Like even his baby pictures, he's got this like adult serious like,

like he could tell, he is just like, what's everybody's problem?

You know, like,

This, I, I'm curious about this poll that how you find out your talents.

Where does someone go to take that test, that poll, to find out

their, their talents and also the bottom floor of their talents?

The weaknesses,

Sure.

So Gallup is phenomenal with this assessment.

It's amazing.

Their online communication is super confusing and

frustrating and not functional.

So, Forgive me in advance if you have trouble, but it used to be called Strength

Finders In the middle of the pandemic.

They rebranded it to Clifton's Strengths Assessment for no reason except to

change the name, which that's what you do when you have a great product, right?

You change a name so nobody can find it.

If you Google Clifton's Strengths Assessment, it'll get you there.

Or you can buy the book Strength Funders 2.0 from Amazon, and they give you

the assessment as part of the book.

Uh, but I can give you a.

To go to, if you want to drop in the show notes

I could put in the show notes.

Okay.

I'll get that link.

Yeah.

And there's two versions.

There's like, and it's not a complete portrait of your character,

like Ni Myers Brigg is, right?

Like, Hey, here's you.

Right.

This is your natural talents, the natural patterns of behavior.

We have the most energy and directed in the proper way.

You know, the, the most abundant results

and

and what it looks like when you give it all away.

so.

But information is not, information is great, but you have to know

how to use that information.

So say I get it back, and it was like, okay, these are my five strengths.

Like how would I learn how to use it?

Is that some is, do people come to you and say, or do you, is do

everybody who works with you take this assessment and you teach them

how to use their strengths or what?

What They're like digs.

I'm just trying to figure that out.

Sure.

Well, they give you like a pretty extensive report, and they have a decent

podcast too, where they explain it.

But I mean, if you get around a coach, It's gonna help tremendously

too because, you know, you could give me a guitar and I could smash

it like Garth Brooks and I could make sounds with it, but it's not music.

Right?

But if you give it to Jimmy Hendrix, if he was still alive,

same as exact guitar, right?

He's gonna make some pretty cool stuff come out of it, right?

And so is Strength Finders.

This is the same thing, like it's the art of you, but you gotta

understand how to play it, right?

How to play your notes, like how are you bringing, you know,

whatever your art is into the world.

And.

Different coaches are gonna do it different ways.

It's not better or worse, but, um, just, you know, find, find a way to get

this information inside of you because this is your superpowers right here.

And it's wild because, you know, I've worked with like thousands of people

with this tool through groups and one-on-one and seminars and all that, and.

Um, hot performers.

I'm like, Hey, tell me your top strengths again.

And they start looking through their phone or looking through

their computer or whatever.

I'm like, so if you have this cheat sheet to what your greatest level of performance

can look like, like don't you think you should take the time to memorize it?

At least?

Cause it's only a few.

And I'm like, what if we met like Superman and he had to look through

his phone to tell us before he could, you know, oh my God, I could fly.

Look, it says right here.

Sorry, I put my cape on

right.

Yeah.

Yeah, the jokes are free you guys, so get your money's worth here.

Um,

The whole podcast freeze.

If you don't like it, fuck off

Well said.

let's talk about how you work with people.

Cuz there are gonna be people who are listening and be like,

I need more of that voice.

I don't care.

And which how it happens, I'm gonna need more of that voice.

So how do you work with, with individuals?

How do you work with teams or companies?

Sure.

So, uh, I do a little bit of one-on-one, not very much, but.

I have a mastermind group for, you know, leaders that are really looking

to get around a community, other leaders that wanna go further faster,

and then, uh, actually have another group called the Quantum Leap Creators

that's a little more of a gateway offer.

And so we do a group coaching twice a month on that and just get

like-minded folks on like-minded journeys together so that uh, we can.

You know, create a more positive and productive impact in the world together.

And I mean, I'm on site, Kevin couple.us, there's like a free

download to if you wanna get better at relationships, because you know,

like as much as I love people, I don't wanna be around them sometimes, right?

But you know what?

Like connection's, one of our most fundamental needs as humans.

and you know, I, I definitely can't do it all.

I'm good at a very finite amount of things and I'm so grateful for people who, you

know, helped me get to where I wanna be.

Because if it was up to me to like code my website, like I would have like

probably taken my own life years ago.

Right.

All right, so Kevin ke us and on there they can find the quantum leap and

they can find the go further faster.

And you can send me a link for the strengths assessment.

And, and so going forward people can, can find out whatever they want about

themselves through that, and then work with you to have it go even farther.

That sounds good to me.

I've, I always got a free masterclass that I do.

Um, it's, uh, if you, Kevin couple.us/own your genius

own

and it's, we do it most weeks and, uh, you know, it's really

just, uh, Offer some of the ideas that we talked about to people and

to give people a space to share.

And, you know, we're all in this thing together, really.

Like, uh, I mean, just like you, like I want to help.

And, you know, I've had a lot of people really help me along my journey and

th thank God for coaches and mentors because that's what has gotten me so

much further, so much faster every time.

So know it doesn't have to be me.

I don't have the market cornered on great coaching for sure.

But, you know, find somebody that resonates with you and, you know,

make the investment is so worth it.

Well, I've always said that if you wanna get good at something or if you need

help with something, you need a coach.

No matter what it is.

When writing my Ted, my Ted, hopefully TEDx talk, I hired

a coach writing my book.

I hired a coach.

You know, I just, I.

I can only stick in my zone of genius.

And some of it is not what other coaches do.

So that's why you have to hire a coach.

So if this sounds amazing to you and, um, you're like, yes, I need more, Kevin,

I need to find out my strengths and how to use them and go further faster, and

I need a course that voice in my life, um, I will put connections to everything.

Kevin, in, in the, uh, show notes and thanks so much for being here,

Um, thank you for having me, Julie Brown.

You're awesome.

And I would highly suggest you guys look her up.

She'll take you anywhere you want to go.

She's pretty badass if y'all hadn't figured that out by now.

So, uh, definitely a level 10 human.

Aw, thank you so much.