Is your health missing a crucial piece hidden within the pharmacy lab? In this enlightening episode, host Joe Fier welcomes Dr. Steve Hoffart, a pharmacist and wellness advocate, to explore how personalized medication, lifestyle changes, and cutting-edge therapies like Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE) are transforming the approach to chronic inflammation and vitality. Dr. Hoffart shares his journey from traditional pharmacy practice to a holistic, root-cause approach that empowers patients to take charge of their health. From uncovering hidden toxins and reframing treatment mindsets, to breaking down the benefits of TPE and functional medicine, this conversation is packed with actionable insights for anyone looking to reboot their well-being.

Topics Discussed

• Dr. Steve Hoffart’s Unique Approach: Pharmacy as more than dispensing pills—integrating traditional and functional medicine.
• Personalized Health Care: The value of individualized assessments, focusing on lifestyle, stress, diet, and medications.
• Root Causes of Chronic Illness: Why inflammation is at the center, and how to identify its markers.
• Toxins & Environmental Exposure: Understanding toxin testing, who needs it, and its impact on hormones and overall health.
• Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE): What it is, why Dr. Hoffart brought it into his pharmacy, and real-life benefits for patients, especially when other therapies fall short.
• Compounding & Innovative Therapies: The importance of customized medications like bioidentical hormones, methylene blue, and low dose naltrexone.
• Patient Empowerment: Motivating patients, embracing change, and working within a “triad” of patient-pharmacist-provider collaboration.
• Practical Steps for Listeners: How to assess if toxins are affecting you, and building foundational lifestyle habits for better health.

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Two Other Episode You’ll Enjoy:

• Uncovering Hidden Hormone Disruptors and Detox Strategies with Dr. Pam Smith: https://mdlifespan.com/tpe-bp-podcast/tpe-blueprint-ep-13-dr-pamela-smith-on-endocrine-disruptors-hormone-chaos-eliminating-toxins-with-tpe/ 
• How Toxins Have Become Our Silent Killers and What We Can Do About It: https://mdlifespan.com/tpe-bp-podcast/tpe-blueprint-episode-1-toxins-and-tpe/ 

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Could the missing link in your health journey be hidden in

your pharmacy's compounding lab?

Pharmacist, Dr. Steve Hoffart shares how a one-on-one approach blending

personalized medication, lifestyle tweaks and therapeutic plasma exchange

can all help extinguish long standing inflammation and reboot your vitality.

Let's dive into it with 'em.

Dr. Steve Hoffart, we are going.

I'm happy and, uh, grateful that you're here today.

So can't wait to get into it.

How are you doing?

I'm

Ah, doing great.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, man.

And you just, uh, you just actually did a podcast with Dr.

Savage separately on your show.

Shout out your podcast really fast and just tell me briefly

what, what you got going on there.

Yeah, thanks a lot.

I have my own podcast is called The Trusted Pharmacist.

The Truth About How the Body Works, I think there's just so much out

there now in a million spaces.

Between influencers and podcasters, but I figure pharmacy has a unique

perspective between medical, pharmacy, pharmaceuticals.

I have a wellness background working with patients, and so it's just kind

of to put a different spin on things.

'cause there's just a lot to digest nowadays.

well, that's, you kind of led me right into it, which is great.

So, I mean, 'cause I know the podcast is newer, which is great.

You obviously got something to say and that's what we brought you here too, is

I think it's really cool you have this unique perspective of being a pharmacist,

you know, having your, you know, and I would love for you to describe the

way you work and how you see things.

Because, um, you're, you're about to start, maybe by the time this goes live,

you are already offering Therapeutic Plasma Exchange, TPE as a partner, so

of, uh, MD Lifespan and Dr. Savage.

But I'd love to hear your perspective, I guess just like off the cuff

without me feeding you too much, just your, your thought of, yeah.

Being a pharmacist, kind of where things are, where you're seeing

things with, in regards to toxins and personalized healthcare and whatnot.

Yeah, so I mean, I'm a traditional trained pharmacist.

I went to pharmacy school, learned about how the body works, learned

about medications, learned how they interact, learned about disease states,

and you know, it's the same thing that medical providers are taught.

It's everything is so siloed nowadays in the fact that.

We're taught, we have this condition.

You take this drug and you do this one thing and this gets you well.

But as I've gotten outta school, what frustrated me was was one,

I was just looked at somebody who put pills in bottle, and obviously

my knowledge is way beyond that.

But then also two, it seems like that patient came in and

took one prescription and then.

Three months later, they took two prescriptions and a year later

they were on three prescriptions.

And five year later they were on 5, 6, 7.

And one drug caused another problem, caused another condition.

And I just got to the point where I got really frustrated.

Um, I had a mentor who ended up with, um, cancer and I saw what he was doing.

He was in this wellness space.

Golly, 20 years ago talking gluten-free diets back when nobody even knew

what gluten was talking fish oil, vitamin D 20 something years ago.

And it just made sense 'cause I see what it did to his health.

His health.

I saw what it did to the patients we worked with and got going down

this road I went to, started going to wellness conferences and what

was neat was to merge together the traditional allopathic medicine with

the functional side and looking at.

Taking like the things I learned in pharmacy school, but then applying a

systems approach, going back to the biology and chemistry, all the stuff

that we really hated when we were in school, but realizing that's really where

it all starts at the cellular level.

And then just taking that to really help patients.

'cause at the nowadays, people are so complex and there's so many

things going on, and really more people are super frustrated because.

The doctor tells 'em one thing, their family member tells 'em something else.

The podcast influencer tells 'em something, the social media says

something, and then they go on Dr.

Google and it tells 'em something.

So they just come in a train wreck.

I. And I think it's, I feel like as a pharmacist, what I'm there, it's kind

of more of like a a point man, and it's like I try to take in everything.

I don't wanna be their doctor.

Let me get that straight right off the bat.

I tell people that all the time, but I try to take everything in, look at everything

that they've been through and where they've done, and then try to point 'em,

look, this is, if I was like step one, step two, step three to get you in the

right direction, this is what I would do.

I will say people have to be motivated to help themselves nowadays.

'cause a lot of these things we're gonna talk about, people

have to wanna help themselves.

Because if it's like, Hey Steve, give me a pill.

'cause I wanna feel better.

Like that's not what I do.

So.

Well, that's, yeah.

How do you compete with that?

Because like you mentioned Dr. Google, I mean, now you have ai, so it's

getting even crazier, like what's your approach to, and obviously you

can't make someone do anything, and especially when it might be something

completely new, it's like, well, why don't you just gimme a drug for this?

And it's like, well, no, that's, how do you, how do you work

with someone and reframe things?

Well, I mean there there are, there's two different type of patients.

There are some people that come to that mindset, and I'll tell you

right off the bat in an initial.

Interview, patient setting, we consult, we'll go over those things.

It, it, it doesn't take very long to see if that's the person

that came to me looking for that.

I, I'll be very upfront and honest with them.

I really sometimes feel like I'm more of like a motivator or like a health

cheerleader or whatever you wanna call it.

Because I mean, but a lot of times when people do come to see

us, they, they're so bad off.

I swear they'll almost do anything nowadays and especially if like I can help

point them to another healthcare provider.

That they can work with.

And then we all three work together.

And on the pharmacy world, it's called a triad.

It's the patient, the pharmacist, and the medical provider.

If we can establish that relationship, that's when the magic happens, and that's

when I feel like we get the best success.

But I will say those patients that come in, they're like, okay, I don't care

what it is, just tell me what to do.

I'm ready to get well.

I feel like that's the most successful ones and really do extremely

well in terms of getting to the other side of a, of an illness.

that makes sense.

Yeah.

The most open-minded, they're willing to be coachable, I guess.

Right?

Um, yeah.

And that, that's probably a metaphor for life too.

I, I'm, I'm curious as you say this, and I'm thinking of lifestyle

changes, you know, those are some of the, the biggest things, right?

Maybe.

Things like supplements, like is there a change that you think every

patient today that you think they should be making or at least thinking

about that's, that's kind of a blanket statement, but something you see?

Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I'm, I'm one.

It all starts with food and diet.

I mean, that's the one thing we do to our bodies every day.

It's the way it's, believe it or not, our bodies are pretty adaptive, but

if we change how we eat, what we do.

Our body's really, what's crazy is the gut changes super fast, and what

the gut does is what the body does.

And so I think that's important.

So to me that's a no brainer.

But from there, you know, it's controlling stress and trying to

limit that as much as possible.

I mean, there's physical stress and emotional stress, but we all,

it seems like we're all burning the candle at both ends nowadays.

Trying to make it so, I mean, that's part of it, but you have to address

that because those are the two things that I've learned is if you eat a crappy

diet and you have a lot of stress.

You are going to have health issues, you're gonna have inflammation and

chronic disease, and there's no way to, you can't run, you can't

out supplement yourself from that.

And you can't outset out exercise yourself outta those two.

Um, you know, the other thing is the sleep sleep's important as far as that goes.

Um, exercise movement, that's the one thing I've seen, especially as

people get older, man, it's like once they lose their ability to move,

it's just their health is just, it's a crash course headed to nowhere.

I mean, and.

That's, those are things that I think's important.

And so, you know, it's working on all those little things like that.

Um, you know, and I think supplements do play a part.

Um, I, I, you've watched my social media stuff, you'd be like, Steve,

that's all you talk about supplements.

And I think, I think it's, these are all little pieces of the puzzle.

There's not one magic bullet for all of this, but if you start

plugging these holes, I think you'll ultimately find the solution that

gets the body in the right place.

'cause that's something I've learned is if you put the body in the

right place, it will heal itself.

It's pretty amazing.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a great machine.

And that's the thing is, you know, Dr. Savage is talking about it all the time

with toxins, you remove the toxins.

Things like mitochondria start functioning better.

Your whole energy, you know, the engines in your body all

goes upstream there and, yeah.

Yeah.

We, we, you kind of touched on I think, really quick inflammation and

you know how that affects the body.

How do you, how do you see that?

Because I want to.

Kind of start pivoting a little bit to how you look at toxins and, and ultimately

what you're doing with now therapeutic plasma exchange outta your practice there.

Yeah, I mean, inflammation is the driver of chronic disease.

And I mean, if, if I've said that one time in the last.

Couple years, I've said it a hundred times in the last couple years.

It's just the more and more we're learning, if you go to the root

cause of pretty much every medical condition that's out there nowadays

from when we learned it in pharmacy school to the ump pte, new autoimmune

condition that comes out this week.

Um, it's, it's inflammation and it's that inflammation that makes everything

dysfunctional from the immune system and all the things that go wrong and, and

it's just all of those things I mentioned.

A bad diet drives inflammation, chronic stress drives inflammation,

not exercising, drives inflammation, not sleeping, drives inflammation.

And it's all of those things.

And then the other aspect of it is if you put the body in the wrong place and you

have bad genes, it's those bad genes are like the weak links and that's where the

flips, the switches start to get flipped.

That causes these problems that drive problems.

And that's the thing is it's like, and.

On the wellness space, I think that's what's important is if

you go to a traditional doctor, you're gonna get diagnosed with

blood pressure or cholesterol issues and autoimmune condition.

But the neat thing is, I think on the functional approach is we actually

look at a lot of inflammation markers, so we can see that fire's burning.

So then as a good clinician, it's to go figure out where is that

fire at so we can put the fire out.

Versus just saying, well, you know, you've got blood pressure, which

is probably driven by inflammation.

Let's give you a blood pressure medicine.

'cause that doesn't take care of the inflammation.

All it does is put the bandaid on it.

And I think that's where like the inflammation part is.

You've gotta find where it's at and take care of it.

can you break down what inflammation markers are and like, just so

we understand a little bit more.

'cause that's something I don't really, I don't really get too much,

Yeah, not a problem at all.

To me, like the number one, there's a lot of different markers

that indicate inflammation.

Like my favorite is something called H-S-C-R-P.

Which is a marker of inflammation.

It's an inflammatory protein that the liver produces when it's inflamed and

the, and if you keep it underneath one, like that's a good sign.

You don't have a fire burning somewhere.

If you start getting like in that one to three range, you need to go look.

But sometimes you'll check people and they'll be like 8, 10, 12, and like,

you gotta, you got a dumpster fire going somewhere and we've gotta find out what

it is and we'll talk about toxins can be one of those things that's driving it.

Underlying infections.

Chronic stress.

I mean, you, you name it as far as that goes.

And like you said, it's, it's when inflammation is there,

things get dysfunctional.

The immune system, you mentioned mitochondria, like, I mean,

that's the powerhouse of the cell.

I mean, what person do I not see nowadays that comes in my

pharmacy and says, oh, oh gosh, I'm tired, run down and I'm fatigued.

Well, it all goes back to mitochondria.

I mean, if those aren't functioning properly, and I hate to say it, I mean.

Inflammation is just like the blanket you throw.

You know, that smothers, you, I mean, it, it, they just can't

function properly and that's the part where we have to go after that.

But I like that there's other markers that are kind of

indirect markers of inflammation.

Things like uric acid is something else that's kind of gotten popular to check.

there's some other things that we can check, like mitochondrial

dysfunction, actually check in things.

Something called a reverse T three, which is a marker of like your antithyroid, so

your body makes an active form of thyroid and an and a, and like a gas and a break.

Sometimes if that's elevated, that can indicate that.

So those are just some of the more common things.

But I really like looking at those things 'cause that can tell us, do we have a

problem or do we not have a problem?

And that makes it a little easier to go after the issues.

that's interesting.

So that's, yeah, I learned something new there.

How do you help kinda locate it within the body?

Like you said, you know, liver like that could stand out, but it, like,

based on these markers, are you able to actually kind of identify where

in the body this is really firing

So you're like headed down the toxin train in a minute 'cause you're funneling in.

Because what happens is, is when is when somebody has inflammation, you're right.

You test it.

I say, let's figure out what's going wrong.

So what we do, we take those patients and we say, Hey.

Let's start eating an anti-inflammatory diet.

Let's take it.

Let's eliminate the foods that trigger inflammation.

Uh, sometimes we may even start with an elimination diet.

We can work some of these foods back in slowly.

And see if the inflammation goes up.

The next thing is we start working on stress.

If they, somebody you know, burns the candle at both ends, it doesn't take time.

We start working on things like meditation, yoga,

breath work, those things.

We can monitor cortisol, we can actually look, is somebody's

cortisol off the chart?

'cause if it is long term, it's going to cause dysregulation, 'cause high cortisol.

It causes blood sugar issues, it destroys the gut.

It chews up your muscle.

I mean, it's just horribly bad for you.

So we just start plugging holes.

We, somebody says, Hey, I don't have good sleep.

We fix their sleep.

We make sure they're getting good rest hormones.

That's the other thing is, you know, hormone replacement has kind of

gotten back into swing of things.

Uh, for women, especially in the last couple years.

Some of the studies that kind of put a bad light or a, a dark shadow on hormones,

we began to learn like that was all.

Wrong patient, wrong drug, wrong dose.

It was given the wrong way.

And we're finding out if we balance hormones that can reduce inflammation.

So it's fixing all these things.

And then if those don't start to work, then we've gotta start

doing a little deeper testing.

We've gotta start looking for markers of, of infections.

Uh, we've gotta start looking for heavy metals.

We've gotta start looking for toxins because if, if something's gotta be

driving this inflammation and you've gotta get, you know, you can have like

a gut dysbiosis, which is a inordinate amount of bad bacteria in the gut.

So we've gotta find where these things are.

If you fix the basic things and nothing doesn't get better, we've

gotta start looking at these kind of other things to make sure, um.

Like the other thing we're seeing a lot is Lyme's disease and stuff like that,

that are just driving this inflammation.

that makes sense.

Okay.

So it's basically, yeah, peel back the layers bit by bit.

Starting with, uh, obviously the food and the things that like sleep,

the things that we're probably able to control a lot easier.

Right.

Uh, more or less.

And then peel back with more tests and tests now.

Yeah, I'm curious.

Toxins, you know, because you said I was leading down the path to toxins, so wind

is like a, a toxin test come into play in that, that whole chain of events there.

All right.

So the way I see it is, and this is my understanding too, 'cause I'm kind

of, I, I know way more about toxins now than I did it six months ago.

But what I'm learning, it's like I, I get like the light bulb goes

on 'cause it makes good sense.

So what I see with toxins, it's the 80 20 rule.

We've got 80% of our patients.

We're gonna do all the basic things I talked about and they're gonna get

well and they're gonna be like, man, this is the best I've ever felt.

Thanks so much for your help.

We move on with life, and life is good, but it's these 20% that

they do all these things, right?

They eat better, they sleep, they reduce stress, they exercise, they move.

We balance hormones, we fix all the things we know to fix.

And they're like, I don't feel any better.

Matter of fact, I may be even worse.

I've gotten worse since I went on this journey.

'cause these things take time.

We'll work with patients for six months to a year, and you're asking a lot

of a patient, they're making changes, they're cutting stuff outta their diet.

They like and they're like.

You haven't got me any better, like, what's going wrong?

That's when I think it comes into, or the other thing is, you've done

been down this journey and you've been doing it and you're on eight

or nine medications and your doctor says, there's nothing else I can do.

You know, I'm sorry.

I think that that's, that's the patient that screams.

You need to do a toxin test.

The other thing that I would say is, is for somebody who, uh, is maybe newer,

down the road, younger, never had a health issue, nothing's happened, but all of a

sudden, like, man, I've started noticing, I've just got a lot of brain fog.

Like, I can't concentrate, I can't focus.

I think that's another person.

I think the other thing that I run into, especially in the world that I live in

doing patient interviews is what I like to ask, what does somebody do for a living?

Because I've ran into some really unique patients.

Like I had a a female patient the other day that's just got all

these medical conditions and she's got inflammation off the chart.

And we got to look and I ask her, what do you do?

She goes, well, believe it or not, I work at a feed store.

And she talked about all these chemicals and stuff that she's on.

She lives on a farm that's next to this big ranch or this, uh, farming community.

And they've, she's got well water.

And I just think about all the possibilities she has of potential

toxins, not counting all the stuff that's like plastics in her

foods and all this other stuff.

It's just like, um, I had a gentleman the other day having issues with

testosterone and inflammation.

They come to find out he's a welder.

He's breathed all these fumes and chemicals.

Been doing it for like 30, 40 years.

Like sometimes it's just like, it almost like slaps you in the face, like, uh, duh.

Like, you know, you've gotta go look and see what's going on.

So

That's, that's fair.

I mean, but it's so, yeah.

When you're living it, you're just living your life and you don't know any better.

You know?

And, and until hopefully they listen to this podcast or yours or, you

know, and, and then finally realize, oh, maybe I should go check that.

I should go think about the environment around me.

You know, Dr. Savage, he says, what your, your home is.

I think he said 500 times more toxic inside your home just because of all the

various things that are, you know, that are not being filtered and, or you're

consuming, you know, water that's just filled with all sorts of fun stuff.

Not fun.

Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's a wild world.

So I guess I'm, I'm curious, how, how are you, you know, with TPE we'll just say

that, um, at this time this goes live, you'll have started rolling it out, but

like what brought you to the point to.

Offer that at your pharmacy and, and how does it work, I guess, within the flow

of, of how you work with your patients.

I'm just curious how you're like integrating that in there.

Yeah, so what got me down this road is I've got a friend and mentor

Pam Smith, which I don't, at some point I've, if you've never met her.

She's good friends with Dr. Savage and.

I just interviewed her yesterday and I've had her on my other show.

Yeah, she's

Yeah, Pam is awesome.

So, so Pam, at one of the events, she came down to speak to our

providers and she calls me aside and says, Steve, we gotta talk.

And when Pam says We gotta talk, you've said, and stop what you're doing, and you

listen what Pam has to say because Pam is so knowledgeable and is an expert in

what she's been doing for so many years.

And she's like, there's something coming out that we did in the emergency room

many years ago that we're calling there.

Plasma exchange, but we're taking it to a new level.

We've got prep, so what we do is we take plasma exchange, which is

accepted, been FDA, approved for years to remove things from the body,

but we take wellness medicine and merge the two together so that we

get the benefit of removing toxins.

But then we put back the nutrition.

The vitamins, the supplements, and do all of these things and

further remove the risk of toxins.

And I'm gonna tell you, she goes, Steve, I have never seen anything like this.

And she got there and she proceeded to tell me stories with her patients

on how before they couldn't take hormones and now they can take

hormones, how, I guess they've.

They can find out how they can remove so many toxins from ladies who are

pregnant to help make sure that before they get pregnant, to make

sure they have healthier babies.

And no offense when Pam come to me is like, this is a game changer for me.

Like, this is gonna change medicine.

I'm like, all right.

Enough said, what's, what do you need from me?

She goes, well, we need, we need, we need you to bring it into your pharmacy.

She goes, you know, you're.

You are already a healthcare destination.

You've already got a good following.

You already do great work at your pharmacy.

You do compounding and traditional, and you do wellness, but this is

one more tool that you can bring and your patients need that.

And I'm like, Pam, you're right, because like I, I can tell you there are these

ladies that are so toxic with all these things that we try to give them hormones,

and that's where our compounder comes in.

So there are some commercially available bioidentical hormones

that a patient can get.

mm-hmm.

Um, that doesn't have to be compounding, but as a compounder, we

get asked for all the oddball things.

So for instance, you'll have a lady who wants to take bioidentical progesterone,

which is something the body made.

It's essential to help with anxiety, mood, sleep, it's

anti-inflammatory, protects the brain.

It has so many benefits, but we get ladies that are so toxic sometimes

we try to give them a a a dose.

That's traditionally what you should take.

They get sick and nauseated, it makes 'em feel a million times worse.

So we'll get asked, can you make a lower dose?

Can you make a lower dose?

So we keep going down and down to the point, like you really can't make it any

smaller and they still can't tolerate it.

Well, that's where this, that's where this TPE comes in is we removed the

toxins and now that lady who couldn't take hormones because they, they, they

battled for the same receptor site.

Now that progesterone can sit on that receptor like it's supposed

to not compete with this toxin.

And the, and she gets all the benefit.

And that's the kind of stuff that I really feel like opens

the door, what PTPE can do.

I'm excited to actually roll it out to my providers.

Um, it's one more thing.

I mean, I feel like as compounders.

We already provide really personalized medications that is tailored for each

patient, but this is one more thing that they can send their patient in to

help make sure that we kind of clean them up and then send them back to 'em

so that the provider can have success.

Because trust me, doing this functional medicine stuff gets a little frustrating

sometimes, especially when you do all the things right and people don't get well.

Oh, I bet that's probably the worst.

'cause you're just like, I, I'm dealing with you.

I'm not dealing with a whole bunch of a group of people.

It's an individual, and that's why, I mean, it just, it seems like

it's like a perfect partnership.

What you're doing with MD Lifespan to bring TPE in your clinic is you're

already a provider, a one-on-one type provider, very customized.

I feel like the trends are going a lot more personalized with medicine

anyway, with the fact that there's so much better data through testing.

It's more widely available.

You do have, you do have the Google and the ais where you can search up

things, but I'm not, not condoning that, but people do it anyway.

Um, yeah.

Any, any thoughts I guess on where that will go in the future?

I'm just kinda curious about like personalized medicine and,

you know, TPE is just one of the treatments, but I mean, there's.

So many other cool ways to, uh, now support people at an individual level.

as

yeah, I mean the, the way I see it, and this is important, removing the toxins

is like the start of the process When I started doing functional medicine.

Uh, probably 15 years ago it was taught, the first thing you've gotta

do is you gotta clean, you gotta fix the gut, and you gotta address stress.

And then we go from there.

But what I'm kinda learning is, is because we're getting so many sick patients

that are so toxic, it really starts with we need to start doing TPE, clean

that up, then fix the gut, then reduce stress, and we'll have better success.

Because there's a lot of these things if you do 'em in the wrong order.

You're not gonna see the full benefit of what you're looking for.

So I do feel like TPE is that one thing.

And then that's the part where I feel like some of the newer therapies that

we use on the compound side, things like low dose naltrexone, which modulates

the immune system that gets out of back outta whack during inflammation.

Actually has the ability to work better.

Um, one of the big things right now we're compounding a lot of, is

something called methylene blue.

Methylene blue is another thing that works to help the mitochondria.

If you've got a sluggish mitochondria with fatigue, tiredness and all that

stuff, it actually can circumvent.

Uh, a dysfunctional mitochondria and allow it to better produce energy.

It also is good for like brain fog, memory, cognition issues,

which parlays onto TPE 'cause it's been shown to do the new thing.

I think the other thing that's coming down the road in terms of things to

supplement this, is doing things like NAD.

Those are just some things that I see moving down the road that if you

TPE clean the body up, then do some of these other things, it's like a

stack benefit and it's like one plus one equals three equals six, and then

you kind of get benefit from there.

But that's kind of where I see this being able to take this wellness on longevity

space a little farther down the road.

I love it.

Yeah.

And that's similar to some of the studies, uh, that I've seen as well.

It's like, clean the blood, you clean all the, all the crap out basically,

and you allow all this other stuff in to help really supplement and bring you up.

So this is really cool, Steve, uh, let's shout out again your podcast and the

best place for folks to follow the uh,

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

So on our social media channels, it's Magnolia Pharmacy.

Uh, I've got a lot of those on TikTok, uh, Instagram, Facebook,

and all those good places.

You also can find Magnolia Pharmacy on YouTube, and that's where you

also can watch, or you can listen to on like Apple or Spotify.

Apple Podcast, the Trusted Pharmacist podcast, like you said,

it's new, uh, but it's really been kind of fun to get to start.

Given a pharmacist's perspective.

I don't fully, there's a lot of medical providers in this world, but there's not

a lot of pharmacists that do wellness.

So I thought, Hey, let's kind of see how this goes.

But yeah, if you will have to share and follow us and, and, and that

message, like I said, you'll see a lot of TPE stuff on there in the coming,

uh, weeks to months, that's for sure.

I

Right on and find the Dr. Pam Smith in interview.

You did.

I, I watched it.

It was great.

And um, yeah, that's on your YouTube channel is where I saw it, but,

uh, I'm sure Spotify works too.

Cool, Steve, appreciate you, man.

And, uh, we'll talk again.

You, you taught me a lot, so I'm, I'm hoping everybody else got the same.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Thanks Joe.

You have a wonderful day.

you have a wonderful day.

You as well.