On the 40th Episode of Mindful You, Alan interviews award winning author and speaker JJ DiGeronimo. Together they dive deep into the light on creating emptiness and how mindfulness is truly power. How can we escape our sea of thoughts and continually practice mindfulness? Find out on this captivating episode.

About The Guest:

JJ DiGeronimo is a three-time award-winning author, speaker, and former leading woman in the tech industry. She is passionate about helping women raise their frequencies and empower their future impact through tried-and-tested strategies, mindfulness, and energetic practices.

JJ's story is one of overcoming obstacles and finding her true purpose. After 25 years in the tech industry, she hit a wall from overproducing, over-delivering, and over-committing. She was questioning all aspects of her life and felt like she was her own worst enemy. She tried drinking more wine, sabotaging her marriage, and even considered driving away and never returning.

Eventually, JJ realized that she needed to make a change. She started by seeking professional help and began a journey of self-discovery. She learned how to set boundaries, say no, and take care of herself. She also began to explore her spiritual side and connect with her inner power.

JJ's transformation was profound. She went from feeling overwhelmed to feeling connected to a higher purpose, which led to a determination to share her findings with more women.

Today, JJ is a successful author, speaker, and spiritual liaison. She shares her story and her strategies with women all over the world. She is on a mission to help women raise their frequencies and empower their future impact. You can find her inside Together We Seek: https://www.togetherweseek.online/

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Alan Carroll: 00:00:00

Welcome to the next episode of the mindful you

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podcast. As we explore the paths that various people have taken,

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and where various people are on that path in the direction of

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this land call mindfulness. And today's guest, JJ, Director

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Monaco is going to share with us her path. And wow, it was just

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she has the ability, JJ has the ability to have have one foot in

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that mindfulness experience. And then is able to articulate her

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thoughts, to support other people, and being able to have a

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greater realization of have of that space of consciousness that

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we're calling mindfulness. It was just captivating. tears to

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my eyes. Just how wonderful it is to be able to have JJ de

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Toronto as a guest on the mindful U podcast. So please

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welcome with open hearts. JJ. JJ D Geronimo. Welcome to the

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mindful U podcast.

JJ DiGeronimo: 00:01:48

Hello, and I'm thrilled to be here. Well, thank

Alan Carroll: 00:01:51

you very much. I'm thrilled to have you here.

Alan Carroll: 00:01:53

Especially I love the fact that I was reading JJ, your your bio

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was lots of mindfulness words appeared, mindfulness, this and

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this. And so you definitely have been swimming in the ocean of

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mindfulness. So let me just backtrack a little bit and find

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out well, when did you first dip into the ocean? What what, what

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what happened? What age what did any event occur that really

Alan Carroll: 00:02:19

said, Oh, what's what's going on here? But take me back in and JJ

Alan Carroll: 00:02:25

time? Well,

Unknown: 00:02:26

I would say it mostly all happened around 2016. It was

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sort of a tower moment. For me, I had a lot of things that were

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just crumbling around me. And I ended up in the therapists

Unknown: 00:02:37

office saying, you know, I don't have the joy I expected. I'm

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overworked. I have all these wonderful awards and accolades,

Unknown: 00:02:45

but I'm not really connecting with them. I don't really

Unknown: 00:02:48

experience the joy I was expecting. And I had a session

Unknown: 00:02:54

with her. And she told me at the end that I needed to go to

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mindfulness training. And I thought it was ridiculous. Just

Unknown: 00:03:01

like, this is serious. Like, I'm at a point now in my life, where

Unknown: 00:03:04

I'm questioning everything and mindfulness training. What is

Unknown: 00:03:08

that? And why would I do that? That sounds so puffy in out

Unknown: 00:03:14

there. And I really need real answers. Absolutely.

Alan Carroll: 00:03:19

practical things.

Unknown: 00:03:21

Yes. And I was such a plus personality, I worked so

Unknown: 00:03:25

much in my masculine energy. I was such a deliverer, I worked

Unknown: 00:03:29

in high tech, most of my career in Silicon Valley, and I needed

Unknown: 00:03:33

action like real action steps. And to me that sounded like

Unknown: 00:03:36

something you do when you have nothing else to do. That's

Alan Carroll: 00:03:40

funny. True, though, to be honest, is

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abstract. You know, and doing push ups is real. So what do I

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want to do push up, I don't want to abstract stuff. This is

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serious. We're talking about here now. It's my life.

Unknown: 00:03:54

That's exactly right. So when I stopped visited her

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for the third time, she basically said do not come back,

Unknown: 00:04:00

unless you go to mindfulness class. So Sunday at noon, I'm

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trucking in with my coffee and my notebook to this mindfulness

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thing. I'm at a table with people like eight to 10 people,

Unknown: 00:04:11

it was based on Jon Kabat Zinn's training, and I kept opening my

Unknown: 00:04:16

notebook and taking notes. And at the break, the teacher came

Unknown: 00:04:20

over to me and said, what what is the notebook for? And I'm

Unknown: 00:04:25

like, kind of looked at her like, court might well, in case

Unknown: 00:04:28

I have a good thought she's like, next time you come, can

Unknown: 00:04:32

you leave your notebook in the car? And my answer was, hell no.

Unknown: 00:04:40

I have good thoughts when I'm quiet. So I need my notebook.

Alan Carroll: 00:04:44

That's right. You're right. Absolutely. So how

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did the battle go between the notebook and the teacher?

Unknown: 00:04:52

So I brought the notebook back in.

Alan Carroll: 00:04:54

There you go. That's right. Yes. Good. Good

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for you. You stand up. I like that.

Unknown: 00:04:59

Yeah. And at the break, she asked me to put the notebook

Unknown: 00:05:03

like closer to the door. And I just was like, This is so

Unknown: 00:05:07

annoying like I'm doing this class. But as you know, I wasn't

Unknown: 00:05:10

doing the class because I was in my head. So I wasn't doing the

Unknown: 00:05:13

class. And by the third class, I left my notebook in the car.

Unknown: 00:05:17

Wow.

Alan Carroll: 00:05:18

All right. What was that must have been a

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breakthrough moment.

Unknown: 00:05:22

Oh, no, it was painful. It was painful. Because I was

Unknown: 00:05:25

getting all these thoughts. And I'm like, should I put it in my

Unknown: 00:05:27

phone, she doesn't want me to touch my phone. I would say out

Unknown: 00:05:31

of the eight week class, it took me well into the fourth class

Unknown: 00:05:34

that I could actually even participate in the activities. I

Unknown: 00:05:38

was so tightly wound. I was such a producer. I pride myself on

Unknown: 00:05:44

being producer that it was it was tough to even be in the

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class.

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What a wonderful experience.

Unknown: 00:05:55

It was the greatest thing that ever happened to me

Unknown: 00:05:56

honestly, because there were people in my class that had come

Unknown: 00:06:00

back for the second time or the third time she had an open door

Unknown: 00:06:04

policy once you went through the class one time you could come

Unknown: 00:06:06

back again get refreshers. So I think I was absolutely the

Unknown: 00:06:10

knowingly. Natalie am my annoying everyone in the class,

Unknown: 00:06:15

I was a complete distraction. And I feel so sorry for those

Unknown: 00:06:18

people now because I could have benefited so much from being

Unknown: 00:06:25

willing and open to being part of the classroom, the beginning,

Unknown: 00:06:29

but there was no disguising my need for the class. It just took

Unknown: 00:06:36

me a long time to figure out why it was there.

Alan Carroll: 00:06:41

was absolutely no like, the ego is taking a stand

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and, and I'm not going to surrender my position. I'm not

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going to surrender my thoughts, my ideas, my beliefs about what

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is real and what is not real. What do you mean letting go? So

Alan Carroll: 00:06:56

it sounds like from the first class to the fourth class, JJ

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was letting go letting go letting go letting go letting

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go. And you were always holding on creating, holding on

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creating, holding on creating, producing, producing, producing,

Alan Carroll: 00:07:09

I don't let go i buy build, I don't let go. I don't create

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emptiness. I create fullness, baby. And so what was it like to

Alan Carroll: 00:07:16

create emptiness?

Unknown: 00:07:20

Well, it took some time. I won't deny it. But I

Unknown: 00:07:22

will say that the thing that mindfulness training has

Unknown: 00:07:25

provided me is the ability to have space between my thoughts.

Alan Carroll: 00:07:35

You bet you Bob like this disco, say that again?

Alan Carroll: 00:07:38

Tell the universe twice. It should shoot that one out there

Alan Carroll: 00:07:42

twice. JJ. Yes. My big thing that you realized

Unknown: 00:07:46

is that my thoughts are not me. My thoughts are only a

Unknown: 00:07:49

part of me.

Alan Carroll: 00:07:52

Right? It's, it's, it's like, you got to sell it.

Alan Carroll: 00:07:57

And then you got the little things on top of the salad. And

Alan Carroll: 00:08:02

thoughts are, what I got about are the one that Eckhart Tolle

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talks about. He says the thoughts are the ripples on the

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ocean. Just little tiny ripples that fade away. But you have the

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ocean. And mindfulness is the realization that underneath

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those ripples of thought, there's an ocean and boy that

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have that realization. JJ is exactly what I see is exactly

Alan Carroll: 00:08:29

what that's the deposits about the pauses about? Well, I can't

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manage the thoughts that I think that's real, real woowoo stuff.

Alan Carroll: 00:08:39

But I can manage the thoughts that I speak. How can I do that?

Unknown: 00:08:46

Hold on to Yeah, the thoughts you hold on to the

Unknown: 00:08:49

thoughts you pay attention to the thoughts you leverage. It

Unknown: 00:08:53

was such a profound shift that happened over a period of time.

Unknown: 00:08:59

It wasn't like even once I moved through the class, it still took

Unknown: 00:09:03

me a while to just I think it took me all eight classes to

Unknown: 00:09:07

just really realize what mindfulness was just that space,

Unknown: 00:09:13

that ability to just let thoughts pass through without

Unknown: 00:09:17

grabbing onto any one of them. Like what a profound learning

Unknown: 00:09:24

especially for a soul that has been in the thoughts as the life

Unknown: 00:09:30

for decades.

Alan Carroll: 00:09:33

And so is 99% of the population on the planet

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Earth. So it's, we're not alone. It we are we are all immersed in

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a sea of thoughts. And and, and so how do you escape from those

Alan Carroll: 00:09:52

see your thoughts? So next question. How did you escape

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from your sea of thoughts inside your head, JJ

Unknown: 00:10:00

Well, I'll just be honest, there's no escaping per

Unknown: 00:10:03

se, the thoughts are always there. They're always there.

Unknown: 00:10:06

It's like, and I think this was a huge lesson for me is, you

Unknown: 00:10:11

know, I had tried to mindful, I've tried to meditate a decade

Unknown: 00:10:15

before this. I tried all the apps, but the reality is like

Unknown: 00:10:18

until you learn mindfulness, at least in my account, you can't

Unknown: 00:10:23

really meditate and you can't just jump into meditation

Unknown: 00:10:26

without understanding mindfulness. I think mindfulness

Unknown: 00:10:29

is precursor to meditation for me. And so I always have

Unknown: 00:10:34

thoughts. Thoughts are there all day all night, but the idea of

Unknown: 00:10:37

mindfulness gives me the ability to sit back and just watch.

Alan Carroll: 00:10:43

Yep, there's a ticker tape and in Times Square,

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when you watch the ticker tape go across the buildings, dah,

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dah, dah, dah, dah, doo doo doo. It's like the thoughts inside

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your head all day long ticker tape ticker tape, ticker tape,

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ticker tape, sequential No, no, no breaks at all between the you

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don't know when a thought starts and another thought, and it's

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continued ticker tape. And tal and Deepak Chopra are saying 65

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to 80,000 thoughts a day, pass through the old ticker tape. And

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then you ask yourself, well, how many of those you remember? You

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don't remember any of them? They fade away. And that's that's the

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dream of thought. But but but mindfulness is different. How is

Alan Carroll: 00:11:20

mindfulness different, JJ than that stream of thoughts?

Unknown: 00:11:26

I mean, for me, mindfulness is the tool. It's

Unknown: 00:11:30

the tool that I leveraged to not hang on like a monkey to those

Unknown: 00:11:36

stories, it gives me the ability to create space and separation,

Unknown: 00:11:42

it allows me to decide if I even want to listen to those

Unknown: 00:11:45

thoughts, which is something that I've had to teach myself,

Unknown: 00:11:48

like, I have to hold my hand up and say things out loud, like

Unknown: 00:11:51

thank you so much. Appreciate it, you know, that ego

Unknown: 00:11:55

conversation, you're constantly having of why it's not going to

Unknown: 00:11:58

work, why you're not the person call, you're not prepared. I

Unknown: 00:12:02

mean, it's just an just a parade of thoughts that often are not

Unknown: 00:12:06

supportive to what you want to lean into. And so I feel like

Unknown: 00:12:10

for me, it's given me the opportunity to not only

Unknown: 00:12:14

recognize that my thoughts are not all of me, but also the

Unknown: 00:12:17

space to decide which thoughts I want to explore and which ones I

Unknown: 00:12:21

want to let go of.

Alan Carroll: 00:12:24

So to recognize that you're thinking, so you're

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saying, I recognize that right now? I'm thinking I am

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recognizing that there are thoughts in front of me right

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now. I'd read their thoughts. I don't know what they are. But

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their thoughts right there. So I got that recognition. That was

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the first thing you said, then in order to recognize something,

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then there has to be what? There has to be that space between the

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observer and what's being recognized. And so you said, you

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said, you need to recognize that there's a space between you and

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the thoughts that you're thinking. And that is, that's

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the definition of mindfulness, to be able to recognize that

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there's a space between you and the thoughts? And what's the

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value for us the next question, JJ, so So what's the value of

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creating a space? What was so what created space? So what I

Alan Carroll: 00:13:21

was saying is, I don't want to empty things, I want things in

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my life that will make me feel better. It's absolutely magical

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space.

Unknown: 00:13:30

Yeah, the map space is the magic, the space is the

Unknown: 00:13:33

magic. Because when you have space, you have freedom.

Alan Carroll: 00:13:40

Really, I like freedom, no doubt about freedom.

Alan Carroll: 00:13:44

But how does? What is space by the way? And why does it give me

Alan Carroll: 00:13:48

freedom? Where is this space you're talking about?

Unknown: 00:13:52

It is, it is it is the magic of life, because it gives

Unknown: 00:13:56

you space between your thoughts, you are not your thoughts. You

Unknown: 00:14:00

don't have to do anything based on your thoughts. And it gives

Unknown: 00:14:04

you emotional freedom to not attach any emotion to any

Unknown: 00:14:08

thoughts. And so you can just be in the moment without any

Unknown: 00:14:13

emotion as an observer of what is happening not only inside you

Unknown: 00:14:18

but outside of you.

Alan Carroll: 00:14:21

Are you saying that I could be watching this

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movie of life, like I'm in a movie theater, and I'm watching

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this movie in front of me my popcorn, I can watch the display

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of actions and characters that are going by and events and

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action things and all the things that happen like the media and

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you know, watch the media, and I can keep my body and energy and

Alan Carroll: 00:14:44

emotions to sort of stable, why I'm watching these, these what

Alan Carroll: 00:14:50

people read regardless, for rendus chaotic things, and I

Alan Carroll: 00:14:54

keep my body relaxed. You're saying that's what happens for

Alan Carroll: 00:14:58

me It sounds like pretty good stuff.

Unknown: 00:15:04

Oh, it's so amazing because you really start to

Unknown: 00:15:07

recognize that what happens inside of you is actually

Unknown: 00:15:11

happening outside of you. And so if you can keep a calmer state,

Unknown: 00:15:14

if you can not be a roller coaster with your emotions, your

Unknown: 00:15:19

outside starts to reflect your insight. And I really pair that

Unknown: 00:15:25

with working on my energy or my frequency. So how I show up in

Unknown: 00:15:30

life? What are the things that I'm focused on? What are the

Unknown: 00:15:33

things I'm paying attention to? What are the things I'm reading

Unknown: 00:15:36

and listening to, because I have learned that if you can raise

Unknown: 00:15:39

your energy, along with being mindful, you can attract like

Unknown: 00:15:44

energy.

Alan Carroll: 00:15:47

raise my hand, it's I'm practicing mindfulness.

Alan Carroll: 00:15:50

And there's something else I could do, in addition to that

Alan Carroll: 00:15:54

stillness and mindfulness thing, in order to raise my vibration

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level, to raise my vibration levels, so that I moved from a,

Alan Carroll: 00:16:03

a dull kind of dead vibration to a more invigorating, joyful life

Alan Carroll: 00:16:09

and joyful, blissful loving vibration. So it's like a scale.

Alan Carroll: 00:16:14

So what are a couple of these little tricks you got to raise

Alan Carroll: 00:16:17

my energy?

Unknown: 00:16:19

Well, for me, mindfulness was the cornerstone

Unknown: 00:16:21

of just even recognizing that I have these thoughts that are not

Unknown: 00:16:25

very positive, most of the time I beat the stink out of myself.

Unknown: 00:16:29

But I would say there's really comes down to three things for

Unknown: 00:16:32

me to raise my energy is one,

Alan Carroll: 00:16:34

but go slow. Now people are writing things down.

Alan Carroll: 00:16:36

Now. They're, they're putting a one on their piece of paper. And

Alan Carroll: 00:16:40

they're putting it two and a three. Okay, number one.

Unknown: 00:16:44

So number one is to mind my thoughts. Right? So

Unknown: 00:16:47

number one, now that I have mindfulness in my life, I can

Unknown: 00:16:50

pay attention to my thoughts. Are they mostly positive? Or are

Unknown: 00:16:53

they mostly negative, and I can just pay attention, I'm just

Unknown: 00:16:56

aware of them to mind, how I talk about other people or other

Unknown: 00:17:05

things. Now, these are not necessarily things that come out

Unknown: 00:17:07

of your mouth, but they're things that you're chewing on.

Unknown: 00:17:11

They're things that you're saying, you know, if somebody

Unknown: 00:17:13

comes into your house or into the workplace, like, are you

Unknown: 00:17:16

having a thought about them? And is it positive or negative? And

Unknown: 00:17:20

so the first kind

Alan Carroll: 00:17:21

of, it could be internal thoughts inside your

Alan Carroll: 00:17:23

head, like a little voice that talks to you? Yes.

Unknown: 00:17:26

And I realized that as a participant in the world

Unknown: 00:17:30

watching TV for a long time, I had a lot of judgment, whether I

Unknown: 00:17:34

said it out loud or not, I was judging, judging, judging all

Unknown: 00:17:37

the time, that was part of my awareness, once I became

Unknown: 00:17:41

mindful, is that my mind that only beats me up all the time,

Unknown: 00:17:44

but it's very judgy. And so I chose to say, You know what, I'm

Unknown: 00:17:49

not going to live my life being judgey or beating myself up, I'm

Unknown: 00:17:53

going to live my life in the positive energy. And I have to

Unknown: 00:17:57

make mindful decisions to focus on the positive. And so I had to

Unknown: 00:18:03

really create charts for myself. As I was shifting my energy,

Unknown: 00:18:07

which was the result of becoming mindful, I was now able to be

Unknown: 00:18:11

aware of am I more positive? Or am I more negative? Do I live in

Unknown: 00:18:15

love and light? Or do I live in worry and anxiety? And so the

Unknown: 00:18:19

mindfulness for me was that cornerstone that allowed me to

Unknown: 00:18:21

start that shift?

Alan Carroll: 00:18:24

Well, you're you're good. I tell you, it's

Alan Carroll: 00:18:27

very, very clear, very, very clear to be able to articulate

Alan Carroll: 00:18:32

the abstractions that you're articulating, and a way that is

Alan Carroll: 00:18:35

clear. That's a gift. So do you definitely have a have a gift

Alan Carroll: 00:18:40

and expressing the beauty of the light? And now I also want to

Alan Carroll: 00:18:45

make sure I know number three on that list. Yeah,

Unknown: 00:18:49

so that is, you know, one and two is like really

Unknown: 00:18:52

getting the amount of listening to yourself and shifting and how

Unknown: 00:18:57

I shifted, and I just want to give you the solution to one or

Unknown: 00:19:00

two, and then I'll go on to three, but one and two, I had to

Unknown: 00:19:03

really create a practice of gratitude. And this is something

Unknown: 00:19:08

that, you know, you've read a lot about I have, but it's hard

Unknown: 00:19:11

to just be grateful if you're not mindful. Because if you're

Unknown: 00:19:14

just grateful, like, Oh, I love this, this is great. But it's

Unknown: 00:19:17

not really shifting from within, meaning that you really believe

Unknown: 00:19:21

that you have the gratitude. So I'm grateful for my bed. I'm

Unknown: 00:19:25

grateful for socks, I'm grateful for gas in my tank, or I'm

Unknown: 00:19:29

grateful that I have the ability to have a conversation with this

Unknown: 00:19:31

person. Like the mindfulness gets you to be able to shift

Unknown: 00:19:35

where you focus your energy within and to do to shift that

Unknown: 00:19:40

energy. Gratitude was the bridge that got me from fear,

Unknown: 00:19:45

negativity, anxiety, to love light appreciation.

Alan Carroll: 00:19:53

I'm taking my notes just like you did in your

Alan Carroll: 00:19:56

mindfulness class.

Unknown: 00:19:59

So That's really the that's been so instrumental for

Unknown: 00:20:03

me that has changed my life in so many ways, because it has

Unknown: 00:20:07

given me more positivity on the inside. And then I've had to

Unknown: 00:20:13

pair that with what I do on the outside. So what do I watch?

Unknown: 00:20:16

What do I read? What do I eat? And that third grouping is what

Unknown: 00:20:20

I do on the outside of me, like, what am I doing outside of me.

Unknown: 00:20:25

And now, you know, I'm really, really mindful of what I'm

Unknown: 00:20:28

watching what I'm reading what I'm eating, even the

Unknown: 00:20:31

conversations I'm in with my friends, like, we're all going

Unknown: 00:20:34

to have bad days, but I'm not spending 45 minutes talking

Unknown: 00:20:37

about it, I've sort of conditioned myself that I can

Unknown: 00:20:40

express things that are not going well, and three to four

Unknown: 00:20:43

minutes, and then I'm going to move on. Because think we can't

Unknown: 00:20:46

work humans, we still have things that happen that we need

Unknown: 00:20:48

to express. But I really moved through my day with full

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appreciation for what I get to experience. And now that I'm

Unknown: 00:20:58

mindful, I can live in the present moment, which was never

Unknown: 00:21:02

the case before that practice.

Alan Carroll: 00:21:08

Yep. The idea of the mind, my thoughts, and when

Alan Carroll: 00:21:18

I wrote it down, I was realizing that you probably were spelling

Alan Carroll: 00:21:22

it mi n d. And I said, that's probably what JJ means. But also

Alan Carroll: 00:21:27

I spelled it mi en mi any mind, meaning that you're looking for

Alan Carroll: 00:21:31

the gold, because one of the things about thoughts that I

Alan Carroll: 00:21:35

noticed is that there are thoughts that build light and

Alan Carroll: 00:21:38

love. And there's thoughts that build hatred and separation. So

Alan Carroll: 00:21:42

if you can mind your thoughts for the gold, you don't have to

Alan Carroll: 00:21:46

spend time with the coal, you can just go for the gold, and

Alan Carroll: 00:21:51

you have the power to do that. But you have to be awake, you

Alan Carroll: 00:21:55

have to be you have to be in the driver's seat of your thoughts

Alan Carroll: 00:21:57

in order to direct the thoughts. And my observation is the ego is

Alan Carroll: 00:22:02

not awake. The ego is in a state of a dream state of

Alan Carroll: 00:22:06

consciousness. And and so how do you wake up from the dream? But

Alan Carroll: 00:22:12

you don't even know you're dreaming? So just for how do you

Alan Carroll: 00:22:17

wake up from the dream? But you don't know you're dreaming?

Unknown: 00:22:24

Well, in my life, I've had really significant guides,

Unknown: 00:22:27

people that kind of come into my life at times that kind of

Unknown: 00:22:30

pushed me right when I should be going left or I think I want to

Unknown: 00:22:33

go left. And that therapist for me was a guide. So I did not

Unknown: 00:22:37

know I was in the dream state I did not know I was living in the

Unknown: 00:22:39

ego energy. Until Jill, the therapist said you must go to

Unknown: 00:22:44

this if you ever want to come back. And so I think for most of

Unknown: 00:22:48

us, we have something that happens in our life, that gives

Unknown: 00:22:52

us the opportunity to walk through that door. Now I could

Unknown: 00:22:56

have left after three classes with my notebook in hand yet but

Unknown: 00:23:00

something made me stay. And I think for many of us, we get

Unknown: 00:23:04

guides and whispers in times when we are expecting it or not

Unknown: 00:23:10

expecting it, they come to us and we get to choose whether or

Unknown: 00:23:15

not we want to lean into those.

Alan Carroll: 00:23:21

I remember a alchemy class at Santa Cruz

Alan Carroll: 00:23:29

University in California, taught by a union psychotherapist, and

Alan Carroll: 00:23:37

he showed a picture of the alchemical vessel. It looks like

Alan Carroll: 00:23:42

a tube and then it's a big fat bottom, like a beaker. And it

Alan Carroll: 00:23:48

showed you a bird inside the beaker. And there was water in

Alan Carroll: 00:23:54

the beaker was fire underneath the beaker was heating up. And

Alan Carroll: 00:23:57

the bird was like a pelican. And the beak was piercing the belly

Alan Carroll: 00:24:03

of itself and blood was dripping out of that alchemical vessel

Alan Carroll: 00:24:09

the transformation. And the interpretation was that that

Alan Carroll: 00:24:13

journey starts with a self inflicted wound. I can tell you

Alan Carroll: 00:24:16

JJ you need it. But you know, until you feel the pain, the

Alan Carroll: 00:24:23

suffering and acknowledge it you really don't wake up and say I

Alan Carroll: 00:24:30

got to do something. And you have shared with us today just

Alan Carroll: 00:24:36

wonderful experiences of of of waking up. And what I liked

Alan Carroll: 00:24:43

about what you're saying is that you have a very clear way of

Alan Carroll: 00:24:46

saying it. Very practical. And my experience of it it resonates

Alan Carroll: 00:24:53

to me it's I like the vibration of it the vibration the energy

Alan Carroll: 00:24:59

level the The glow of light that that you have, and the way you

Alan Carroll: 00:25:04

radiate the light out through your verbal speech through your

Alan Carroll: 00:25:07

radiance out into the world. And I know that you get and you use

Alan Carroll: 00:25:13

a term called lightworkers. So I'd like this to shift a little

Alan Carroll: 00:25:17

bit. And I know you have a meeting to go to, and I'm not

Alan Carroll: 00:25:21

sure the time it's how much time do we have left? I'm losing my

Alan Carroll: 00:25:24

time. Two minutes. Plenty? Plenty me. Okay, good. Good.

Alan Carroll: 00:25:28

Thank you very much. Okay, I got to get I get, I get lost in the,

Alan Carroll: 00:25:31

in the joy of meeting you that I sort of lose time. And thank

Alan Carroll: 00:25:35

god, there's someone with a watch. All right. And so the

Alan Carroll: 00:25:41

it's just really a light worker, you what is a light worker? And

Alan Carroll: 00:25:47

we'll we'll take it from there.

Unknown: 00:25:50

Well, as I mentioned before, when you have you have

Unknown: 00:25:54

the ability to do this, anybody listening has the ability to do

Unknown: 00:25:57

this, some of you might not need to get knocked upside the head

Unknown: 00:26:00

like I did, hopefully, you taken on the Whisper well, before it

Unknown: 00:26:04

happens. But if you do choose to go down the mindfulness path,

Unknown: 00:26:08

and you have the ability to create that space, and then you

Unknown: 00:26:12

take it to the next level, where then you get to choose how

Unknown: 00:26:16

you're going to move through life, are you going to stay in

Unknown: 00:26:18

the fear, anxiety, worry, or are you going to shift the light

Unknown: 00:26:21

love. If you choose to shift the light and love that starts from

Unknown: 00:26:25

within, you can start to not only illuminate your being

Unknown: 00:26:29

because it allows you to really start to not only move into the

Unknown: 00:26:33

gratitude space, but work through the stories that harness

Unknown: 00:26:37

so much negativity. And these could start back, you know, as

Unknown: 00:26:40

your 2468, I worked with so many Lightworkers energy

Unknown: 00:26:43

practitioners and healers to dig through my vessel, because I

Unknown: 00:26:47

wanted to create a vessel that we call the human body, I wanted

Unknown: 00:26:52

to illuminate it, I wanted to get out all the dark energy that

Unknown: 00:26:55

was maybe buried in a corner or buried from a story from

Unknown: 00:27:00

something that happened as a child, I wanted to work through

Unknown: 00:27:03

as much of those stories and darkness as I could. So I could

Unknown: 00:27:06

be as light as possible for the work that I do with women. And

Unknown: 00:27:11

through that work, I was able not only to illuminate myself,

Unknown: 00:27:14

but my path of what I should be working on. And now I'm able to

Unknown: 00:27:18

help others do the same. And I think for many of us, we all

Unknown: 00:27:21

have the ability to illuminate our path forward. But

Unknown: 00:27:24

oftentimes, we have to shift out of that negative energy into the

Unknown: 00:27:28

light. And it takes very specific steps that any of us

Unknown: 00:27:32

can do, which is a lot of what I've included in my third book

Unknown: 00:27:35

seeking because I find that their ways they're actually

Unknown: 00:27:40

perfectly orchestrated for us, as our soul is working through

Unknown: 00:27:44

the evolution of being a human and the lessons we're here to

Unknown: 00:27:47

learn.

Alan Carroll: 00:27:49

Let's take a little chapters in that seeking

Alan Carroll: 00:27:53

the seeking book. And I imagine it correlates with our

Alan Carroll: 00:27:58

conversation today. So share with us some of the key points

Alan Carroll: 00:28:03

that so is the book absolute let me see the book. All right,

Alan Carroll: 00:28:07

seeking very nice. Yeah.

Unknown: 00:28:09

So seeking is 74 key findings to raise your energy

Unknown: 00:28:13

sidestep your self doubt and align with your life's work and

Unknown: 00:28:17

the 70 Court key for the 74 key findings are spread out through

Unknown: 00:28:21

the book. And what I like to do is just open it up and get to

Unknown: 00:28:24

one key finding. So the key finding is number 28. A solo

Unknown: 00:28:30

trip, a solo trip can provide the dedicated time for you to

Unknown: 00:28:37

explore it inside and out. So solo trip for me was a big deal.

Unknown: 00:28:45

Because when I started doing all this work, I realized that I

Unknown: 00:28:49

could no longer show up in the world. Like I had in the past

Unknown: 00:28:53

that I was being pulled outside of my day job to do other work.

Unknown: 00:28:57

And I was so uncertain about myself and the whispers I was

Unknown: 00:29:03

receiving like you need to write another book and do more work

Unknown: 00:29:06

with women, that I was in denial. And so I took a solo

Unknown: 00:29:10

trip to Sedona because I felt like it was a place I could meet

Unknown: 00:29:14

with many people to help me understand the messages I was

Unknown: 00:29:18

receiving.

Alan Carroll: 00:29:21

Well, let's go to Sedona. What was your experience

Alan Carroll: 00:29:24

as a donor like?

Unknown: 00:29:26

Oh, it was wonderful because it was really the first

Unknown: 00:29:29

time as a mother and as a wife that I traveled by myself for

Unknown: 00:29:35

pleasure, like I never did that once. I didn't get married till

Unknown: 00:29:39

I was 30. And I traveled all the time by myself. But then once I

Unknown: 00:29:42

had kids and a husband, I just felt guilty all the time. So I

Unknown: 00:29:46

never did it. And for me this yearning to understand who I was

Unknown: 00:29:52

and why I'm on the planet brought me to Sedona and I met

Unknown: 00:29:56

with some amazing energy practitioners. But I it's

Unknown: 00:30:00

Typically worked with an angel reader for five hours. And she

Unknown: 00:30:04

told me that my work was going to have a lot to do with

Unknown: 00:30:06

bringing people closer to God, which at the time I denied

Unknown: 00:30:11

because I was working in corporate America, and I

Unknown: 00:30:13

couldn't even think the word guide, let alone, talk about it

Unknown: 00:30:16

or say something. But now it's been a decade. And I feel like a

Unknown: 00:30:20

lot of the work that I do now is to remember, remind people that

Unknown: 00:30:23

they are a part of that and that we all have like from the

Unknown: 00:30:26

universe within us, that is here to connect, and guide and share

Unknown: 00:30:33

love.

Alan Carroll: 00:30:40

Absolutely. So lightworker is if I understand

Alan Carroll: 00:30:44

this, though, I was listening to Alan Cohen. And it

Alan Carroll: 00:30:57

last weekend, I did the Sisters of Angel seminar in Sedona. And

Alan Carroll: 00:31:06

so for you talking about Sedona has a deep feeling inside of me.

Alan Carroll: 00:31:12

And transformation, Sedona if there's something there, that

Alan Carroll: 00:31:22

you're in the mindfulness business, just go there and hang

Alan Carroll: 00:31:28

out for a while. anywhere, anywhere you want to hang out,

Alan Carroll: 00:31:34

of course, the vibration is different. What did you notice

Alan Carroll: 00:31:37

about the vibrations in Sedona

Unknown: 00:31:43

and I'm just visualizing the Red Rock and

Unknown: 00:31:46

just the quietness at times, there's just the quietness is

Unknown: 00:31:49

what I really remember. It's just and then if you get into

Unknown: 00:31:54

the town or meet with different Lightworkers I mean, everyone's

Unknown: 00:31:56

vibrating at a higher level, they've done the internal work.

Unknown: 00:32:00

And so the whole energy of the place, in fact, some of the

Unknown: 00:32:03

light workers and energy practitioners can even live

Unknown: 00:32:05

there because the energy is so intense. But I would say to your

Unknown: 00:32:08

point, you know, it is worth just hanging out there.

Alan Carroll: 00:32:13

Yeah, I absolutely, absolutely. Well,

Alan Carroll: 00:32:19

I'm, I'm full of your love. And it was a pleasure and a joy. To

Alan Carroll: 00:32:27

have the opportunity to experience the experience that

Alan Carroll: 00:32:31

JJ is like, very, very sweet. And I'll be I'll definitely will

Alan Carroll: 00:32:35

will purchase the book and I cuz it's it's exactly where you are.

Alan Carroll: 00:32:41

In any any way we can help folks to support folks to, to be able

Alan Carroll: 00:32:47

to be calm to observe the thoughts that you see and not be

Alan Carroll: 00:32:51

seduced by the thoughts and be able to smile and laugh and wave

Alan Carroll: 00:32:57

in all like I did a I had a Buddhist monk, he said, bless

Alan Carroll: 00:33:03

all the thoughts and let them go. Bless them all. Just let

Alan Carroll: 00:33:08

them go. And that sort of frees you have there's a fluidity to

Alan Carroll: 00:33:12

that rather than sticking, sticking, sticking, no fluidity

Alan Carroll: 00:33:16

fluidity, fluidity. And to me spaces, fluidity and error

Alan Carroll: 00:33:21

rates, the soil, in error rates, the being error rates that

Alan Carroll: 00:33:25

allows it allows a on openings, little holes opening up into the

Alan Carroll: 00:33:29

fabric of your ego, and its flow goes this way. And then you

Alan Carroll: 00:33:35

realize, hey, the flow goes this way. And so you can go both

Alan Carroll: 00:33:39

ways. And so I just want to thank you very much. You were

Alan Carroll: 00:33:42

really a a wonderful delight to have an opportunity to

Alan Carroll: 00:33:48

experience you.

Unknown: 00:33:49

I really appreciate this discussion, and I look

Unknown: 00:33:52

forward to more. So thank you, Alan.

Alan Carroll: 00:33:54

Bless you. Have a wonderful day JJ. You too. Bye

Alan Carroll: 00:33:57

bye for now.