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Cultivating Energetic Alignment through the FIRE with Sharon Brown (Ep. 4 of 6)
Episode 2721st January 2023 • A Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine • Amanda Lux
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In this episode: 

This is the fourth episode in a series of six where I am sharing stories, anecdotes, exercises and valuable tips on how to align your energy via the five elements which relate to the chakra system within Polarity Therapy. 

As this episode is focused on the fire element, I invited Sharon brown- sacred Fire Keeper, Granicera and Curindera, to share some of her deep wisdom on how to align your energy through the Fire element. 

Sharon has also been taking my Polarity classes, so this conversation became a lively and riveting comparison between these two lineages- philosophies and energetic principals of Polarity Therapy and those of the Nahua spiritual healing traditions of Mexico. 

In this episode Sharon and I discuss:

  • How I reached out last minute to interview Sharon because of a dream (not that this is unusual- but still...)
  • Sharons fascinating insights around the similarities and differences between Polarity therapy and the Nahua perspectives on energy, astrology, healing, the elements and more. 
  • How neutrality is one of the greatest common denominators between these two lineages.
  • How to connect with Fire in a ceremonial context vs. an everyday context, and how doing so can open your heart, your mind and your energy in profound ways! 

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Go to Elevationhive.com to learn more about upcoming classes in polarity therapy, cranial sacral therapy and online courses in dreamwork, energy work, soul work, astrology, and more.

  • Learn more about how to find Sacred Fire Keeper near you (or become one) here:
  • Learn more about Sharons women's fires every new moon on Facebook here 
  • Read the current astrology report by Shelley Bredeson
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About This Podcast

Welcome dreamers, seekers, empaths, and healers! My name is Amanda Lux of the Elevation Hive school and community for energy medicine and dreamwork. In this podcast, I share teachings, musings, art, poems, songs, and interviews with other amazing humans who walk the healer's path. Learn more at elevationhive.com

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Sharon Brown:

I should do nothing as a fire keep.

Sharon Brown:

I should simply endeavor , to hold neutrality, but to help people,

Sharon Brown:

let the fire do it for them.

Sharon Brown:

. Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Because the fire cre is the creator of everything.

Sharon Brown:

The beginning and the end of ev, the creator, the destroyer, all of it.

Sharon Brown:

But there's not a thing in this world.

Sharon Brown:

There's not a, a meal you can eat.

Sharon Brown:

There's nothing you can do where the energy expresses electricity in our world.

Sharon Brown:

But, but it's all about that, that heat, that brilliance, that, um, that awareness.

Amanda Lux:

Welcome to a Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine.

Amanda Lux:

My name is Amanda Lux and I'm the creator of the Elevation Hive School and Community

Amanda Lux:

for Energy Medicine and Dreamwork.

Amanda Lux:

This is the fourth episode in a series where I'm exploring the five elements

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in the polarity therapy healing model.

Amanda Lux:

In today's episode, I'm honored to be discussing energetic alignment through

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the fire element with Sharon Brown, who is a wise woman and a sacred fire keeper

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trained in multiple healing traditions.

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She's been initiated into the ways of the sacred fire keepers for many years,

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Sharon has also taken some of my polarity classes, including , a two

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part intensive class , , on the five elements and that class really deeply

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explores how to align and balance and free up and organize our energy utilizing

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various polarity protocols and practices.

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, so in this really fascinating conversation, Sharon and I discussed

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some of the overlapping energetic concepts and philosophies and

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practices that occur between polarity and the Nahua traditions that she

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has studied extensively for decades.

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I feel like I got some insight and hopefully you will as well from

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listening to this episode around how to relate to fire in a deeper way.

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I've attended Sharon's fire ceremonies and some of the community events she's held,

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and it's a truly transformative experience to sit with fire and receive its medicine

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in this tradition, which, As Sharon humbly expresses that every fire I've attended

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is a ceremonial process, which is on loan from the Cual people of Mexico.

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And this way of relating to fire allows all humans, no matter their race or

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background to experience and remember their sacred relationship to fire and to

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the earth, to one another and all beings.

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And this remembering.

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Arises naturally around the fire when we make offerings in a way that the

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fire recognizes and responds to and has for hundreds of thousands of years.

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When we connect with fire in this way, , it just inherently assists us

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in aligning our energy in bringing more vitality, clarity, courage, and

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balance to every aspect of our lives.

Amanda Lux:

So I just first of all wanna thank you so much Sharon for, , responding immediately

Amanda Lux:

when I reached out and let you know that I had a dream that I had interviewed you.

Amanda Lux:

I always respond to your dreams, Amanda . I had a whole other thing planned

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and then I had that dream, that I was telling somebody that I had

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interviewed you for this podcast.

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And then I woke up and I'm like, well, that's brilliant in the dream.

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I was like, yeah, she's the fire.

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Keep like it's perfect

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. Sharon Brown: It felt

Amanda Lux:

I'd love to talk about

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fire and that was just like two days ago.

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So

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, Sharon Brown: it was, and I

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I'm traveling like.

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in two days for like two weeks.

Amanda Lux:

Whoa.

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And I've got so many other things to do, but Oh my gosh.

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You know, I, I don't want to block you in manifesting your dreams.

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So , I figured I should

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participate.

Amanda Lux:

. Well, I appreciate that so much.

Amanda Lux:

. I'm so excited to introduce you.

Amanda Lux:

This is Sharon Brown.

Amanda Lux:

We're sitting in your beautiful little studio.

Amanda Lux:

. I've known Sharon for years now.

Amanda Lux:

Starting with coming to your sacred fires.

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Your fire circles that you hold and it has gone from New

Amanda Lux:

Moon to Full Moon at different

Sharon Brown:

times, In, uh, this year it's gonna stay on

Sharon Brown:

the New Moon the whole year.

Sharon Brown:

Okay, cool.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

Good to know.

Amanda Lux:

I prefer the New Moon.

Amanda Lux:

, so on the new moon here in Olympia, you hold sacred fire gatherings.

Amanda Lux:

Those are the women's fire circles that you host

Sharon Brown:

by women's fire circles and also community fire circles.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

And my husband does, Mens, Fires.

Sharon Brown:

And , also we have a number of different ceremonies throughout the year.

Sharon Brown:

Yes.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

That are related to the, the firework.

Sharon Brown:

, everything's related to fire, , but also are part of, , the tradition.

Sharon Brown:

I'm a, I'm a Granicera, right in the Nahua tradition of the Mexican

Sharon Brown:

Highlands, which is a weather worker, and I'm an apprentice, uh, to

Sharon Brown:

Patiani, which is like a Curandera.

Sharon Brown:

, but in the tradition of the Nahua most people have heard of the Aztecs.

Sharon Brown:

The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl.

Sharon Brown:

That makes them Nahua.

Sharon Brown:

So, , if you're an Aztec, you're in Nahua, but if you're Nahua,

Sharon Brown:

you're not necessarily an Aztec because there are lots of other.

Sharon Brown:

, , traditions and, , names of peoples who speak that language.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

. And do you wanna say anything about how you came to be a

Amanda Lux:

fire keep in the sacred fire

Sharon Brown:

tradition?

Sharon Brown:

Oh gosh, that's a huge and long story . , I could and would like

Sharon Brown:

to, But, let's talk about polarity.

Sharon Brown:

Let's talk about the fire element a little bit.

Sharon Brown:

. Don't get me

Amanda Lux:

started.

Amanda Lux:

, . Well, I feel really honored that you have.

Amanda Lux:

Attended multiple of the polarity classes.

Amanda Lux:

You took Polarity one twice.

Amanda Lux:

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux:

the first time when I had first started the school, and then we got shut down.

Amanda Lux:

And then you , retook it.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

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Again recently.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

And I love having you in those classes with all of your wisdom

Amanda Lux:

and experience, and you also went through the elemental class.

Amanda Lux:

So we studied,

Sharon Brown:

did that gonna be taking polarity three?

Sharon Brown:

You're gonna be doing cranial sacral?

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

I, I love how you and Kim teach.

Sharon Brown:

I love what you teach and there's a great, uh, , it's not even a

Sharon Brown:

synchronicity because that makes it sound like it's two different things.

Sharon Brown:

Um, there's a unity.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

, between the work I do, particularly as a Nahua, , but fire as the creator

Sharon Brown:

of virtually everything, , weaves into polarity, just in a crazy, , can't

Sharon Brown:

make this stuff up sort of way.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Uh, with this, with this traditional wisdom that I'm studying.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

Well, I, I would love to hear more about what specifically you think.

Amanda Lux:

Is so interesting about that.

Amanda Lux:

And you and I have talked about maybe even collaborating at some point.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

Which I really look forward to, , in teaching something that

Amanda Lux:

does bring these two together.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Well, you know, it's interesting.

Sharon Brown:

So, , polarity, , is a spectrum.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

People think of polarity as opposites..

Sharon Brown:

And, , what's in the middle of two opposites is this sort of

Sharon Brown:

place where they come together and they neutralize each other.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

In a way.

Sharon Brown:

And so I think we had a conversation a number of years ago, , on neutrality

Sharon Brown:

You were, making a point of, of how you try to maintain neutrality.

Sharon Brown:

And I do too.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And, and sometimes in our culture.

Sharon Brown:

, , socially too.

Sharon Brown:

, neutrality is not so popular.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

Um, people tend to, , feel that being authentic is really taking a firm

Sharon Brown:

stand for a particular something.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

, and that's good.

Sharon Brown:

I take a stand for neutrality.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

. I mean, it's, it's good to be firm in what you are passionate about.

Sharon Brown:

, but I was like, wow, Amanda's into neutrality.

Sharon Brown:

I haven't met all that many people.

Sharon Brown:

And of course as a fire keeper, one of the things that we are trained to

Sharon Brown:

maintain is neutrality because the whole, , the why have a fire, , why hold

Sharon Brown:

space, sacred space for people around a fire, , is to create a opportunity

Sharon Brown:

for people to express themselves.

Sharon Brown:

safely.

Sharon Brown:

And so you can't invite the public to come to an event where, , safety

Sharon Brown:

isn't part of the package.

Sharon Brown:

Right?

Sharon Brown:

But it's not being safe by stifling yourself, it's being safe by

Sharon Brown:

listening, it's being safe, by having an agreement that everything

Sharon Brown:

expressed in the circle feels.

Sharon Brown:

Real and true to whomever is speaking it.

Sharon Brown:

And they, you know, I heard a definition of love once, , one of

Sharon Brown:

my teachers said that, , love is defined as the, , unconditional

Sharon Brown:

acceptance of the other as legitimate.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

people have legitimate reasons for what they feel and what they believe

Sharon Brown:

and, and that can turn into, , lot.

Sharon Brown:

political positions that can turn into a lot of stuck conversations that

Sharon Brown:

can turn into a lot of disagreement and challenge between people.

Sharon Brown:

And so Fire has this capacity to move people's emotions.

Sharon Brown:

It has the capacity to shine light on what's hidden.

Sharon Brown:

, it has a capacity to help someone, , experience, their fear in a different way.

Sharon Brown:

, and when we do that collectively, what we find is that we are just so much alike.

Sharon Brown:

Someone that we may have completely opposite political.

Sharon Brown:

and it tends to land around, , common heart and, , family being able to feed

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yourself and house yourself and being able to create a life for yourself.

Sharon Brown:

What comes up is that people have different ideas about how that

Sharon Brown:

should be done, but fundamentally, we all want the same thing.

Sharon Brown:

We all want to be loved, that we all want safety.

Sharon Brown:

We just have different ways of looking at it.

Sharon Brown:

So as a fire keeper, neutrality is extremely important.

Sharon Brown:

And, of course Covid was a, wild time for that.

Sharon Brown:

So when you mentioned your neutrality, I probably, I don't know, I probably

Sharon Brown:

asked you to tell me a little bit about polarity or you, you did, and

Sharon Brown:

I'm like, I, I need more of this.

Sharon Brown:

I need more of this

Sharon Brown:

polarity also, , is foundational to the Cosmo vision.

Sharon Brown:

I love this word, Cosmo vision, , which is a translation of, , a Mexican

Sharon Brown:

word, which is spelled Cosmo vision.

Sharon Brown:

It's just not pronounced the way I'm pronouncing it.

Sharon Brown:

Which is the worldview that inv, you know, includes the cosmos and, um,, spirituality

Sharon Brown:

is, is just on the surface in Mexico.

Sharon Brown:

, it's this very, , rich and mystical and magical, way that people.

Sharon Brown:

And, and continue to be.

Sharon Brown:

, I was, , initiated as a weather worker by, uh, Don Lucio, Campos

Sharon Brown:

Alde in nepa, Paco, Mexico in 2001.

Sharon Brown:

And, , have since that time received continuous training.

Sharon Brown:

And, and one of the things that I'm deep into right now is working with, the

Sharon Brown:

way time works and everything is married to its opposite in this worldview.

Sharon Brown:

Hmm.

Sharon Brown:

The worldview of high and low, hot and cold, , loud and

Sharon Brown:

soft, , strong and and weak.

Sharon Brown:

And there, the thing that's different from our western view is

Sharon Brown:

that there's no polarity around.

Sharon Brown:

Right and wrong morally.

Sharon Brown:

Hmm.

Sharon Brown:

Now there may be the right way to hold a knife and the wrong way to hold a

Sharon Brown:

knife, but it's not a moral judgment.

Sharon Brown:

And, um, that really.

Sharon Brown:

Intrigues me and, and attracts me.

Sharon Brown:

, I've had this, this sense since I was a child.

Sharon Brown:

And in fact, that's part of how I was divine as having a calling is

Sharon Brown:

that when I read these philosophies, I'm like, oh, I know this.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

, oh, I know this, this isn't what I'm taught in school,

Sharon Brown:

but this is familiar to me.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And so, , , yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Polarity and the way energy moves.

Sharon Brown:

And I remember, uh, when, when you taught about how there is

Sharon Brown:

the, the east west energy and then there's the fire energy spiral.

Sharon Brown:

Yes.

Sharon Brown:

The sp that spirals and moves forward and that is exactly how energy is described.

Sharon Brown:

in the Nawa Cosmo vision.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Um, Ollin is the energy of, of going around and bouncing with pattern.

Sharon Brown:

It's like a bouncing ball.

Sharon Brown:

It's like the sun coming around the earth.

Sharon Brown:

It's like the beating of our heart.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

, that's a particular energy.

Sharon Brown:

And then there's another energy called malinalli, which is vertical and

Sharon Brown:

spiraling up and down at the same time.

Sharon Brown:

And when I looked at the pictures in, in the polarity work book, I was

Sharon Brown:

like, oh my gosh, this is going to be really, , fundamental to expanding and

Sharon Brown:

deepening my, uh, my, to patiani, my corenderra practice with how energy moves.

Sharon Brown:

, I just find it super fascinating.

Sharon Brown:

, Dr.

Sharon Brown:

Stone primarily in Eastern traditions, is that correct?

Amanda Lux:

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

From global.

Sharon Brown:

At the level I'm at with polarity.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

Um, we could have a conversation.

Sharon Brown:

I could discover there's like some whole new secret door that you

Sharon Brown:

don't go through for a little while.

Sharon Brown:

, mostly it, it's being described as energies and, that's the other

Sharon Brown:

thing that really turned me on to polarity is that everything

Sharon Brown:

is energy in the Nahua worldview.

Sharon Brown:

everything is teotl, teotl.

Sharon Brown:

And what is teotl teotl is energy without beginning, without end.

Sharon Brown:

You don't even ask, you know, why is not a shamanically relevant question.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Uh, it's what is right?

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And teotl is this never ending, always expressing energy.

Sharon Brown:

If you think of a lotus unfolding those animations of the, you

Sharon Brown:

know, that's what's happen.

Sharon Brown:

and that everything that's unfolding, everything that manifests in this realm.

Sharon Brown:

Okay.

Sharon Brown:

Qualifying, we're talking about this realm.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

There are lots of other dimensions Yes.

Sharon Brown:

Et cetera, but in this realm, everything that uh, emerges is teotl, everything

Sharon Brown:

is sacred, everything is mundane.

Sharon Brown:

There we go.

Sharon Brown:

They're two.

Sharon Brown:

They're two polarities, right?

Sharon Brown:

Right.

Sharon Brown:

They're sacred and mundane.

Sharon Brown:

They're both and, and always.

Sharon Brown:

Yes.

Sharon Brown:

, But they're always got their opposite.

Sharon Brown:

And, What's fascinating to me is, again, the overlap in how

Sharon Brown:

healing happens time is alive.

Sharon Brown:

And so, this additional synchronicity between polarity work and, , the Nahua

Sharon Brown:

cosmology and the calendar is that as a human person, on the particular day, when.

Sharon Brown:

Conceived, and it's actually not your conception, it's more

Sharon Brown:

when your heart starts to beat.

Sharon Brown:

But at that moment, you receive an imprint and the sacred calendar

Sharon Brown:

is nine Gregorian months long.

Sharon Brown:

It's 260 days, which is a little shy of , a human gestation, just shy enough

Sharon Brown:

that it could be the time when the heart starts when you become a person.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And you have this timestamp of these various influences, and you

Sharon Brown:

receive three different souls.

Sharon Brown:

One in your head, one in your mind, yeah.

Sharon Brown:

One in your liver, one in your lower body, and then one in your heart.

Sharon Brown:

And it's all about balancing those three souls.

Sharon Brown:

has the ether and the air.

Sharon Brown:

It's, you're up in the clouds, you're up in the future, which is your mind soul,

Sharon Brown:

that your tenali soul is in your mind.

Sharon Brown:

One is rooted in your, your earth and your water, right?

Sharon Brown:

The, the earth and the water, which is what our body is.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Earth and water.

Sharon Brown:

And then, and then the heart.

Sharon Brown:

And you know, this is the only thing that I haven't found sort

Sharon Brown:

of a perfect fit with polarity.

Sharon Brown:

. The Nahua view is that the fire is in the heart.

Sharon Brown:

Right?

Sharon Brown:

That's a little north of the solar plexus.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

In the air.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

But, , here's, here's kind of how I, I tend to work with that.

Sharon Brown:

The, the true fire in the body digestion.

Sharon Brown:

, the real heat, the real workhorse.

Sharon Brown:

The upper body work is in the heart.

Sharon Brown:

Yes.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And so the heart has , as, , as many, , , neurons as the mind.

Sharon Brown:

, a lot of people don't know that.

Sharon Brown:

, the heart is as actively engaged in learning, knowing, perceiving,

Sharon Brown:

generating movement, , decisions.

Sharon Brown:

And it's the heart voice.

Sharon Brown:

That's the voice.

Sharon Brown:

That's the one that we wanna hear.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And what is earth?

Sharon Brown:

Earth is decay.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Earth is rot.

Sharon Brown:

Um, it's filth.

Sharon Brown:

And so the, the, the Naah Aztec people have a Goddess Tlazolteotl and

Sharon Brown:

she's the eater of, orger which is basically animal manure.

Sharon Brown:

, she's the goddess of ritual bathing.

Sharon Brown:

She's the goddess of sexuality.

Sharon Brown:

She's the goddess of, stink and sin and, , intoxication

Sharon Brown:

and, , really losing yourself to.

Sharon Brown:

very earthy things.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

, and she's the confession goddess.

Sharon Brown:

Mm-hmm.

Sharon Brown:

. And she is, , the goddess of weaving.

Sharon Brown:

And what she represents is this reality that, , we are earthy people

Sharon Brown:

who, , screw up and love life a lot, and love our bodies a lot.

Sharon Brown:

and sometimes we get out of balance with that.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

And sometimes if we don't, , attend to, , our family and our community.

Sharon Brown:

She's a weaver that weaves all this back together through

Sharon Brown:

ceremony, through ritual bathing.

Sharon Brown:

, have a goddess of

Amanda Lux:

filth, right?

Amanda Lux:

. Love

Sharon Brown:

it.

Sharon Brown:

How po That's polarity.

Amanda Lux:

So this series that I've been recording is about how to align

Amanda Lux:

your energy using the elements.

Amanda Lux:

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux:

. And so this episode focused on the fire element is really how do we align

Amanda Lux:

ourselves utilizing fire as an ally

Amanda Lux:

Through the realm of the fire element or the third chakra.

Amanda Lux:

And so in polarity there are certain ways, as you learned in the polarity two, That

Amanda Lux:

we can utilize , that elemental nature to help us find alignment in our lives.

Amanda Lux:

For me, my favorite way is through embodiment, because I see that fire in

Amanda Lux:

the involutionary pattern of polarity.

Amanda Lux:

How?

Amanda Lux:

energy steps down into form.

Amanda Lux:

It really becomes more physically manifest in the fire, in the air.

Amanda Lux:

As we were discussing the heart.

Amanda Lux:

There's still this relationship with the mind, with mental energy, with,

Amanda Lux:

it's still a higher vibratory quality.

Amanda Lux:

It's not quite fully embodied yet, but when you get to the

Amanda Lux:

fire, it's really about action.

Amanda Lux:

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux:

and so about physicality, it's about inhabiting and, and movement.

Amanda Lux:

Um, and I think of that as embodiment.

Amanda Lux:

Um, and I go to that in five rhythms dance, which is

Amanda Lux:

also related to the chakras.

Amanda Lux:

the rhythm Related to fire is chaos

Amanda Lux:

and that is really fast and loud and hard, and it's where we go into that deep

Amanda Lux:

place in order to shake everything loose.

Amanda Lux:

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux:

. And we emerge different.

Amanda Lux:

It's the great transformer, right?

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

When we come out on the other side of of fire, we are in touch with our heart

Amanda Lux:

in a new way and we're, we're cleansed in a way by going into that deep.

Amanda Lux:

crazy place.

Amanda Lux:

All the shit . Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

That's how we cleanse and we transform.

Amanda Lux:

And so fire is the great transformer.

Amanda Lux:

Fire is the place of, of embodiment, of taking action.

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And so when I think about for myself, how I align my energy through

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fire, I think about the physical practices that help me get there,

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such as my yoga practice and running.

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even art visual arts is also related to fire.

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Yeah.

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, and so these are ways that I go to, and I was just, I wanted to

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discuss that as part of this episode.

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You know, like how do we align our energy through the

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fire?

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What's, what's fire?

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Well, you know, and I think that's part of, um, what, and here's

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another polarity, both confronts me.

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and attracts me.

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Yeah.

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About polarity.

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Yeah.

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Is that, um, that's a different re relationship with fire, right?

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Than what I've had.

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Yes.

Amanda Lux:

And it's a different archetype.

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Yeah, the, polarity has the archetype of this, um, Transforming

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actor, um, that's gonna move things around and create some chaos.

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Uh, in Nahua we've got some other people that are focused on chaos.

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In the, , Aztec view.

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Um, fire is actually above chaos.

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Fire is, is in partnership with ometeotl which is the oneness.

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Chaos breaks into two.

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Right?

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The oneness is both at the same time.

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Yeah.

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And then it breaks into chaos and order, which might be

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tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl might be a way to look at that.

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But I do have a practice of how I, I think your question might be . What's

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another way to look at working with fire?

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, to affect positive, uh, polar positive changes It better?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Let me, let me qualify what I mean when I think something's better.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Because, because better or worse, good or bad, , the Huichol people who

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are, , ancestrally related to the Nahua.

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When they have a hard decision to make, , they all get together.

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They all talk about it.

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They don't say what's right or wrong, good or bad.

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What they say is, will it grow corn?

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Right?

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Is it generative for life today and into the future?

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, so how do we work with fire to grow corn in our lives?

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, and for me, that practice is.

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being with the fire.

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Hmm.

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And recognizing that the fire itself in a fire ring.

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, uncontained fire, is a healing medicine

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. and I have a couple, of things that

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have shown me how amazing fire can be.

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, so first and foremost, , for me being around fire, it's

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like my body recognizes it.

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And, , we say that it's part of our ancestral dna.

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, human people became human around the fire.

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, we were transformed by the fire.

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And so my body just recognizes it.

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When I'm around the fire, I feel something.

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Mm-hmm.

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and then, , working with fire in a ceremonial.

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making offerings to the fire in a traditional way, which is acknowledging

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this relationship of giving and receiving changes the dynamic from, say, a

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barbecue in the backyard or a bonfire at a party, to creating this, , sacred

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space that calls in all the directions.

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and for the time that we're in that space, we are in the center of the world.

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And the transformation in many ways can come from the being with the fire itself,

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with the context, and you may not even need the context, but I think it helps

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to have the context that you're there.

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to receive healing, that you're there to move something in yourself, that

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you're there to open yourself to let the, the light shine on your

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darkness, to bring forth something.

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And so , I think when you're talking about the outward action

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and focus, and I love that.

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And I love fire as focus, which I got more from polarity than from my own training.

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So the opposite side of the outward energy is the inward energy.

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And so what I hold as a fire keeper is, , , maybe not embodying to bring

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forth, but in-bodying to look inside.

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I remember my, , daughter, , when she was in high school in Santa

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Cruz, she had a, a science teacher, physics teacher, um, who had retired

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from uc, Santa Cruz, uh, in physics.

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So the guy had some smarts and, um, ,, I'd gotten involved with the

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high school newspaper or something.

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I was writing an article.

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I don't know.

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And I interviewed him and he was one of the developers first

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developers of fiber optics.

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And he talked about how much information can be contained, you

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know,, in a single strand of hair.

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I don't know, what is it, 40,000 simultaneous transcontinental

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conversations or something in a strand of hair or something.

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And, and as I started to work with.

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I'd been working with fire for, for a little while.

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, actually when I, interviewed this guy and I was like, oh my gosh.

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When we light a fire, how much ancestral information is being

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conveyed in all that light?

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Because, what came first was the Big bang, which was this energy,

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this Teotl fire is this Teotl.

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Is this heat?

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There's not a, there's not a thing that we do.

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And you know this, the, the camera and the audio recording, it works on electricity.

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How do you generate electricity?

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You light something on fire, , or you use water Grandmother,

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ocean, Chalchiuhtlicue, you know?

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Yeah.

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Water's.

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Water's great, but what is it?

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What's being created through that Water wheel.

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Friction, right?

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Yeah.

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Friction Fire is, exchange polarity.

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And so by bringing people, , together around the fire

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by holding a neutral space.

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And I just wanna, , recount a story that happened to me at, at, at your

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class, you know, was it polarity one, and Kim did a demonst.

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. And, uh, for the people listening, , , Kim and Amanda teach together and they

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have this class and, um, and I, I think Kim just wanted to, to make a

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point about the field, about resonance, about neutrality and holding space for

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aclient . And so she asked for one of the students, is anybody feeling something?

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And a fellow's like, well, my shoulder's bugging me.

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And Kim's like, well, come have a seat.

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And um, and so Kim grounds herself with this upward downward movement

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that I constantly use now.

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Hmm.

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Uh, drawing up from the earth and down from the sky.

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Yeah.

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And Kim said nothing.

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She did nothing but she held space and, and you could, you could feel

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it and see it in her being that she was like really becoming a beacon of

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energy that was flowing in and out.

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She was becoming, um, transparent and yet highly charged at the same time.

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Yeah.

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And, I don't know, 3, 4, 5 minutes she's holding this space and she

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just kind of looks up and he's, she says, how are you feeling?

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And he's like, well, I feel something in my feet.

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I feel like something's coming up my feet.

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She's like, you feel something in your feet?

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Okay.

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And then another three, four or five minutes, you know, nothing.

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She's just holding space.

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And she asked me and she, how are you feeling?

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And he's like, well, my, my shoulder.

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. It feels looser.

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It feels looser.

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And, and I had this like humbling moment cuz as a fire keep, you know,

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twice a month I invite the public

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To come in and sit at the fire with me.

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And they're, they have expectations.

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Yeah.

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Something's supposed to happen at this fire.

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And so I'm the kind of person, outwardly focused energy person.

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And so sometimes, If I don't feel like enough is happening, I

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would wanna engage it to happen.

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Sometimes that's good and necessary, and sometimes that's not good.

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And watching Kim hold neutral space with intention, she was focused.

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She asked him what his issue was.

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She knew it.

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She was just holding his issue in her field and allowing the

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energy to do what it needs to do.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And when I saw her do that, I was just, and I'm, I'm like, tears are

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like in the back of my eyes here with the humility, the humbling of myself.

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I do nothing as a fire.

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I should do nothing as a fire keep.

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I should simply endeavor to , to hold neutrality, but to help

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people, let the fire do it for them.

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. Yeah.

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Because the fire cre is the creator of everything.

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The beginning and the end of ev, the creator, the destroyer, all of it.

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But there's not a thing in this world.

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There's not a, a meal you can eat.

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There's nothing you can do where the energy expresses electricity in our world.

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But, but it's all about that, that heat, that brilliance, , , that awareness.

Amanda Lux:

I really loved Sharon the idea that, you know, you were referring

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to with the fiber optics and that how much information is contained in this

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strand and that the fire itself is also , containing all that information from the

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very first fire that ever was and the big bang and beyond that even, right?

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Like that, it's all, all time and all fire is in that fire.

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Any fire.

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. I love that feeling.

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, and that truth.

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And if I feel that in my body when you say those words, like Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then when you say that , you could take that idea of holding neutral space

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for a client and how, by being in our own alignment, what, what Kim was doing

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there was getting in her own energy alignment between north and South Poles.

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Mm-hmm.

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the energy alignment of heaven and Earth.

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Yeah.

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And, and opening that channel.

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Because of this principle of resonance that we teach in all of the classes,

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there's , an intentional way that we can open our own energy flow

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and that the other person's energy will also start to flow and find

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their alignment through resonance.

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And then it's like, you're not doing, you're non-doing, you're in a

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space of non-doing and total trust.

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or learning to experience trust in a humble way.

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. Yeah.

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Always.

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Yeah.

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That's how I feel about it.

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Like you, yeah.

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Always.

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I'm humbly, you know, learning to trust that more and more

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and to do less and less.

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But I love the idea specifically around energetic alignment through the fire, that

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there's not any action you need to take.

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Even though fire itself may, may represent in certain ideas in polarity, perhaps

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that, that there's action around.

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that there doesn't necessarily need to be, that the fire

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has its own intelligence.

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That the fire elementally has its own power, its own

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memory, its own transmission.

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And that if we just sit with it yes.

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That it will transform us.

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If we just are in the presence of fire, it will do

Sharon Brown:

that work.

Sharon Brown:

Absolutely.

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And and you used the word transmission.

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Yeah.

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And that's perfect.

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. And that's, that's really perfect.

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And you know, our lives are so consumed by action.

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Yeah.

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That people need a place to not have action.

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Right.

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And so, um, you know, when we sit around the fire, it's really about

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grounding and listening and letting go.

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And then if one is interested in holding the awareness of.

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, I can make offerings here.

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I can express a desire to connect.

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I don't know what it's like to listen to clouds and listen

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to trees, or listen to fire.

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This is foreign to me, but I'm gonna, uh, suspend my expectations.

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. And um, and that's one of the things I'll say often is that, uh, when

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we're making offerings is to start working on moving your awareness from

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the movie in, in front of your eyes down to the feeling in your heart.

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And just what, if you've never thought, what would it

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feel like to open your heart?

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Just try to go for that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, open your heart to possibility.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And then the other thing that helps.

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, move things a little more quickly if quickly is your thing.

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Some people aren't ready to change, right?

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

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Some people it's too much.

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Yeah.

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They don't wanna open the door, right?

Sharon Brown:

That's cool too.

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Mm-hmm.

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, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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. But if you're, if you're wanting to kind of move that along,

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then speak and tell your story.

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, and rather than thinking, thinking, thinking, what am I gonna say tonight?

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What am I gonna say tonight?

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I hope they don't call on me.

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What am I gonna.

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, like you were saying, do less.

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Right.

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Just wait.

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, and ask the fire, I feel something in my body.

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I need to let this feeling out.

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Speak for me.

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Fire and then listen to what you say, right?

Sharon Brown:

Yes.

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, and it's about trying to get to your, deepest honesty.

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. the, The whole idea of, um,, drawing in.

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The things , that frighten you.

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Like the fire is really good for working with fear.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

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And oftentimes, , what we find is that, being willing , to test the

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idea that maybe that opposite pole, the pole that you hate and don't

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like, that maybe you need a little bit of something of that, , , that can.

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come up around the fire.

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Hmm.

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Um, to have that courage.

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. . I just

Amanda Lux:

love that you're such a student of life and mysticism and

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many traditions and ways of thoughts, and I just admire that in you very

Sharon Brown:

much.

Sharon Brown:

I, I, I, well, and, and I feel very fortunate, , to have had,

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when I was a small, small child, uh, I had some experiences of.

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, well, children are magical beings anyway.

Sharon Brown:

Right.

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And so I, I remember some of my moments of magic and being able to

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pull words out of people's mouths and, you know, some of those things.

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But I knew from the time I was little that, um, it's not all as it seems.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

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And so that's really been my life purpose is to help people.

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get some of that.

Sharon Brown:

find a way to, , connect for themself and trust, like you were

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mentioning, trusting yourself.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Yeah.

Sharon Brown:

Um, yeah, I feel , really fortunate.

Sharon Brown:

Uh, I am a student.

Sharon Brown:

, we're never done learning, you know?

Sharon Brown:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sharon Brown:

I

Amanda Lux:

love that,.

Amanda Lux:

. Thank you so much for listening to

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to the Divine, I am so grateful for Sharon Brown for discussing how to

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align your energy through the fire.

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With me today, and I just want to let you know that you can learn

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more about the sacred fires that Sharon hosts in Olympia on Facebook.

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And you can learn about fires near you from this tradition.

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, by going to find my fire.org or sacred fire.org.

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if you wanna Learn more about our upcoming polarity classes

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that are in person on beautiful land here in Olympia, Washington.

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Where our school is being hosted, you can learn more

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about that at elevationhive.com,

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as well as other events and things going on.

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So I really appreciate you listening, following, reviewing, and just

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participating with your energy.

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It is such an honor to be in sacred community with you.