In this episode: 

This is the fourth episode in a series of six where I am sharing stories, anecdotes, exercises and valuable tips on how to align your energy via the five elements which relate to the chakra system within Polarity Therapy. 

As this episode is focused on the fire element, I invited Sharon brown- sacred Fire Keeper, Granicera and Curindera, to share some of her deep wisdom on how to align your energy through the Fire element. 

Sharon has also been taking my Polarity classes, so this conversation became a lively and riveting comparison between these two lineages- philosophies and energetic principals of Polarity Therapy and those of the Nahua spiritual healing traditions of Mexico. 

In this episode Sharon and I discuss:

• How I reached out last minute to interview Sharon because of a dream (not that this is unusual- but still...)
• Sharons fascinating insights around the similarities and differences between Polarity therapy and the Nahua perspectives on energy, astrology, healing, the elements and more. 
• How neutrality is one of the greatest common denominators between these two lineages.
• How to connect with Fire in a ceremonial context vs. an everyday context, and how doing so can open your heart, your mind and your energy in profound ways! 

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Go to Elevationhive.com to learn more about upcoming classes in polarity therapy, cranial sacral therapy and online courses in dreamwork, energy work, soul work, astrology, and more.

• Learn more about how to find Sacred Fire Keeper near you (or become one) here:
• Learn more about Sharons women's fires every new moon on Facebook here 
• Read the current astrology report by Shelley Bredeson
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Thank you for listening, sharing, reviewing and sending me your dreams! 

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About This Podcast

Welcome dreamers, seekers, empaths, and healers! My name is Amanda Lux of the Elevation Hive school and community for energy medicine and dreamwork. In this podcast, I share teachings, musings, art, poems, songs, and interviews with other amazing humans who walk the healer's path. Learn more at elevationhive.com

I should do nothing as a fire keep.

I should simply endeavor , to hold neutrality, but to help people,

let the fire do it for them.

. Yeah.

Because the fire cre is the creator of everything.

The beginning and the end of ev, the creator, the destroyer, all of it.

But there's not a thing in this world.

There's not a, a meal you can eat.

There's nothing you can do where the energy expresses electricity in our world.

But, but it's all about that, that heat, that brilliance, that, um, that awareness.

Welcome to a Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine.

My name is Amanda Lux and I'm the creator of the Elevation Hive School and Community

for Energy Medicine and Dreamwork.

This is the fourth episode in a series where I'm exploring the five elements

in the polarity therapy healing model.

In today's episode, I'm honored to be discussing energetic alignment through

the fire element with Sharon Brown, who is a wise woman and a sacred fire keeper

trained in multiple healing traditions.

She's been initiated into the ways of the sacred fire keepers for many years,

Sharon has also taken some of my polarity classes, including , a two

part intensive class , , on the five elements and that class really deeply

explores how to align and balance and free up and organize our energy utilizing

various polarity protocols and practices.

, so in this really fascinating conversation, Sharon and I discussed

some of the overlapping energetic concepts and philosophies and

practices that occur between polarity and the Nahua traditions that she

has studied extensively for decades.

I feel like I got some insight and hopefully you will as well from

listening to this episode around how to relate to fire in a deeper way.

I've attended Sharon's fire ceremonies and some of the community events she's held,

and it's a truly transformative experience to sit with fire and receive its medicine

in this tradition, which, As Sharon humbly expresses that every fire I've attended

is a ceremonial process, which is on loan from the Cual people of Mexico.

And this way of relating to fire allows all humans, no matter their race or

background to experience and remember their sacred relationship to fire and to

the earth, to one another and all beings.

And this remembering.

Arises naturally around the fire when we make offerings in a way that the

fire recognizes and responds to and has for hundreds of thousands of years.

When we connect with fire in this way, , it just inherently assists us

in aligning our energy in bringing more vitality, clarity, courage, and

balance to every aspect of our lives.

So I just first of all wanna thank you so much Sharon for, , responding immediately

when I reached out and let you know that I had a dream that I had interviewed you.

I always respond to your dreams, Amanda . I had a whole other thing planned

and then I had that dream, that I was telling somebody that I had

interviewed you for this podcast.

And then I woke up and I'm like, well, that's brilliant in the dream.

I was like, yeah, she's the fire.

Keep like it's perfect

. Sharon Brown: It felt

I'd love to talk about

fire and that was just like two days ago.

So

, Sharon Brown: it was, and I

I'm traveling like.

in two days for like two weeks.

Whoa.

And I've got so many other things to do, but Oh my gosh.

You know, I, I don't want to block you in manifesting your dreams.

So , I figured I should

participate.

. Well, I appreciate that so much.

. I'm so excited to introduce you.

This is Sharon Brown.

We're sitting in your beautiful little studio.

. I've known Sharon for years now.

Starting with coming to your sacred fires.

Your fire circles that you hold and it has gone from New

Moon to Full Moon at different

times, In, uh, this year it's gonna stay on

the New Moon the whole year.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

Good to know.

I prefer the New Moon.

, so on the new moon here in Olympia, you hold sacred fire gatherings.

Those are the women's fire circles that you host

by women's fire circles and also community fire circles.

Right.

And my husband does, Mens, Fires.

And , also we have a number of different ceremonies throughout the year.

Yes.

Yeah.

That are related to the, the firework.

, everything's related to fire, , but also are part of, , the tradition.

I'm a, I'm a Granicera, right in the Nahua tradition of the Mexican

Highlands, which is a weather worker, and I'm an apprentice, uh, to

Patiani, which is like a Curandera.

, but in the tradition of the Nahua most people have heard of the Aztecs.

The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl.

That makes them Nahua.

So, , if you're an Aztec, you're in Nahua, but if you're Nahua,

you're not necessarily an Aztec because there are lots of other.

, , traditions and, , names of peoples who speak that language.

Yes.

Yeah.

. And do you wanna say anything about how you came to be a

fire keep in the sacred fire

tradition?

Oh gosh, that's a huge and long story . , I could and would like

to, But, let's talk about polarity.

Let's talk about the fire element a little bit.

. Don't get me

started.

, . Well, I feel really honored that you have.

Attended multiple of the polarity classes.

You took Polarity one twice.

Mm-hmm.

the first time when I had first started the school, and then we got shut down.

And then you , retook it.

Yeah.

Again recently.

Yeah.

And I love having you in those classes with all of your wisdom

and experience, and you also went through the elemental class.

So we studied,

did that gonna be taking polarity three?

You're gonna be doing cranial sacral?

Yeah.

I, I love how you and Kim teach.

I love what you teach and there's a great, uh, , it's not even a

synchronicity because that makes it sound like it's two different things.

Um, there's a unity.

Yeah.

, between the work I do, particularly as a Nahua, , but fire as the creator

of virtually everything, , weaves into polarity, just in a crazy, , can't

make this stuff up sort of way.

Yeah.

Uh, with this, with this traditional wisdom that I'm studying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I, I would love to hear more about what specifically you think.

Is so interesting about that.

And you and I have talked about maybe even collaborating at some point.

Yeah.

Which I really look forward to, , in teaching something that

does bring these two together.

Yeah.

Well, you know, it's interesting.

So, , polarity, , is a spectrum.

Yeah.

Right.

People think of polarity as opposites..

And, , what's in the middle of two opposites is this sort of

place where they come together and they neutralize each other.

Right.

In a way.

And so I think we had a conversation a number of years ago, , on neutrality

You were, making a point of, of how you try to maintain neutrality.

And I do too.

Yeah.

And, and sometimes in our culture.

, , socially too.

, neutrality is not so popular.

Right.

Um, people tend to, , feel that being authentic is really taking a firm

stand for a particular something.

Mm-hmm.

, and that's good.

I take a stand for neutrality.

Right.

. I mean, it's, it's good to be firm in what you are passionate about.

, but I was like, wow, Amanda's into neutrality.

I haven't met all that many people.

And of course as a fire keeper, one of the things that we are trained to

maintain is neutrality because the whole, , the why have a fire, , why hold

space, sacred space for people around a fire, , is to create a opportunity

for people to express themselves.

safely.

And so you can't invite the public to come to an event where, , safety

isn't part of the package.

Right?

But it's not being safe by stifling yourself, it's being safe by

listening, it's being safe, by having an agreement that everything

expressed in the circle feels.

Real and true to whomever is speaking it.

And they, you know, I heard a definition of love once, , one of

my teachers said that, , love is defined as the, , unconditional

acceptance of the other as legitimate.

Mm-hmm.

people have legitimate reasons for what they feel and what they believe

and, and that can turn into, , lot.

political positions that can turn into a lot of stuck conversations that

can turn into a lot of disagreement and challenge between people.

And so Fire has this capacity to move people's emotions.

It has the capacity to shine light on what's hidden.

, it has a capacity to help someone, , experience, their fear in a different way.

, and when we do that collectively, what we find is that we are just so much alike.

Someone that we may have completely opposite political.

and it tends to land around, , common heart and, , family being able to feed

yourself and house yourself and being able to create a life for yourself.

What comes up is that people have different ideas about how that

should be done, but fundamentally, we all want the same thing.

We all want to be loved, that we all want safety.

We just have different ways of looking at it.

So as a fire keeper, neutrality is extremely important.

And, of course Covid was a, wild time for that.

So when you mentioned your neutrality, I probably, I don't know, I probably

asked you to tell me a little bit about polarity or you, you did, and

I'm like, I, I need more of this.

I need more of this

polarity also, , is foundational to the Cosmo vision.

I love this word, Cosmo vision, , which is a translation of, , a Mexican

word, which is spelled Cosmo vision.

It's just not pronounced the way I'm pronouncing it.

Which is the worldview that inv, you know, includes the cosmos and, um,, spirituality

is, is just on the surface in Mexico.

, it's this very, , rich and mystical and magical, way that people.

And, and continue to be.

, I was, , initiated as a weather worker by, uh, Don Lucio, Campos

Alde in nepa, Paco, Mexico in 2001.

And, , have since that time received continuous training.

And, and one of the things that I'm deep into right now is working with, the

way time works and everything is married to its opposite in this worldview.

Hmm.

The worldview of high and low, hot and cold, , loud and

soft, , strong and and weak.

And there, the thing that's different from our western view is

that there's no polarity around.

Right and wrong morally.

Hmm.

Now there may be the right way to hold a knife and the wrong way to hold a

knife, but it's not a moral judgment.

And, um, that really.

Intrigues me and, and attracts me.

, I've had this, this sense since I was a child.

And in fact, that's part of how I was divine as having a calling is

that when I read these philosophies, I'm like, oh, I know this.

Mm-hmm.

, oh, I know this, this isn't what I'm taught in school,

but this is familiar to me.

Yeah.

And so, , , yeah.

Polarity and the way energy moves.

And I remember, uh, when, when you taught about how there is

the, the east west energy and then there's the fire energy spiral.

Yes.

The sp that spirals and moves forward and that is exactly how energy is described.

in the Nawa Cosmo vision.

Yeah.

Um, Ollin is the energy of, of going around and bouncing with pattern.

It's like a bouncing ball.

It's like the sun coming around the earth.

It's like the beating of our heart.

Mm-hmm.

, that's a particular energy.

And then there's another energy called malinalli, which is vertical and

spiraling up and down at the same time.

And when I looked at the pictures in, in the polarity work book, I was

like, oh my gosh, this is going to be really, , fundamental to expanding and

deepening my, uh, my, to patiani, my corenderra practice with how energy moves.

, I just find it super fascinating.

, Dr.

Stone primarily in Eastern traditions, is that correct?

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

From global.

At the level I'm at with polarity.

Right.

Um, we could have a conversation.

I could discover there's like some whole new secret door that you

don't go through for a little while.

, mostly it, it's being described as energies and, that's the other

thing that really turned me on to polarity is that everything

is energy in the Nahua worldview.

everything is teotl, teotl.

And what is teotl teotl is energy without beginning, without end.

You don't even ask, you know, why is not a shamanically relevant question.

Yeah.

Uh, it's what is right?

Yeah.

And teotl is this never ending, always expressing energy.

If you think of a lotus unfolding those animations of the, you

know, that's what's happen.

and that everything that's unfolding, everything that manifests in this realm.

Okay.

Qualifying, we're talking about this realm.

Yeah.

There are lots of other dimensions Yes.

Et cetera, but in this realm, everything that uh, emerges is teotl, everything

is sacred, everything is mundane.

There we go.

They're two.

They're two polarities, right?

Right.

They're sacred and mundane.

They're both and, and always.

Yes.

, But they're always got their opposite.

And, What's fascinating to me is, again, the overlap in how

healing happens time is alive.

And so, this additional synchronicity between polarity work and, , the Nahua

cosmology and the calendar is that as a human person, on the particular day, when.

Conceived, and it's actually not your conception, it's more

when your heart starts to beat.

But at that moment, you receive an imprint and the sacred calendar

is nine Gregorian months long.

It's 260 days, which is a little shy of , a human gestation, just shy enough

that it could be the time when the heart starts when you become a person.

Yeah.

And you have this timestamp of these various influences, and you

receive three different souls.

One in your head, one in your mind, yeah.

One in your liver, one in your lower body, and then one in your heart.

And it's all about balancing those three souls.

has the ether and the air.

It's, you're up in the clouds, you're up in the future, which is your mind soul,

that your tenali soul is in your mind.

One is rooted in your, your earth and your water, right?

The, the earth and the water, which is what our body is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Earth and water.

And then, and then the heart.

And you know, this is the only thing that I haven't found sort

of a perfect fit with polarity.

. The Nahua view is that the fire is in the heart.

Right?

That's a little north of the solar plexus.

Yeah.

In the air.

Yeah.

But, , here's, here's kind of how I, I tend to work with that.

The, the true fire in the body digestion.

, the real heat, the real workhorse.

The upper body work is in the heart.

Yes.

Yeah.

And so the heart has , as, , as many, , , neurons as the mind.

, a lot of people don't know that.

, the heart is as actively engaged in learning, knowing, perceiving,

generating movement, , decisions.

And it's the heart voice.

That's the voice.

That's the one that we wanna hear.

Yeah.

And what is earth?

Earth is decay.

Yeah.

Earth is rot.

Um, it's filth.

And so the, the, the Naah Aztec people have a Goddess Tlazolteotl and

she's the eater of, orger which is basically animal manure.

, she's the goddess of ritual bathing.

She's the goddess of sexuality.

She's the goddess of, stink and sin and, , intoxication

and, , really losing yourself to.

very earthy things.

Mm-hmm.

, and she's the confession goddess.

Mm-hmm.

. And she is, , the goddess of weaving.

And what she represents is this reality that, , we are earthy people

who, , screw up and love life a lot, and love our bodies a lot.

and sometimes we get out of balance with that.

Yeah.

And sometimes if we don't, , attend to, , our family and our community.

She's a weaver that weaves all this back together through

ceremony, through ritual bathing.

, have a goddess of

filth, right?

. Love

it.

How po That's polarity.

So this series that I've been recording is about how to align

your energy using the elements.

Mm-hmm.

. And so this episode focused on the fire element is really how do we align

ourselves utilizing fire as an ally

Through the realm of the fire element or the third chakra.

And so in polarity there are certain ways, as you learned in the polarity two, That

we can utilize , that elemental nature to help us find alignment in our lives.

For me, my favorite way is through embodiment, because I see that fire in

the involutionary pattern of polarity.

How?

energy steps down into form.

It really becomes more physically manifest in the fire, in the air.

As we were discussing the heart.

There's still this relationship with the mind, with mental energy, with,

it's still a higher vibratory quality.

It's not quite fully embodied yet, but when you get to the

fire, it's really about action.

Mm-hmm.

and so about physicality, it's about inhabiting and, and movement.

Um, and I think of that as embodiment.

Um, and I go to that in five rhythms dance, which is

also related to the chakras.

the rhythm Related to fire is chaos

and that is really fast and loud and hard, and it's where we go into that deep

place in order to shake everything loose.

Mm-hmm.

. And we emerge different.

It's the great transformer, right?

Yeah.

When we come out on the other side of of fire, we are in touch with our heart

in a new way and we're, we're cleansed in a way by going into that deep.

crazy place.

All the shit . Yeah.

That's how we cleanse and we transform.

And so fire is the great transformer.

Fire is the place of, of embodiment, of taking action.

And so when I think about for myself, how I align my energy through

fire, I think about the physical practices that help me get there,

such as my yoga practice and running.

even art visual arts is also related to fire.

Yeah.

, and so these are ways that I go to, and I was just, I wanted to

discuss that as part of this episode.

You know, like how do we align our energy through the

fire?

What's, what's fire?

Well, you know, and I think that's part of, um, what, and here's

another polarity, both confronts me.

and attracts me.

Yeah.

About polarity.

Yeah.

Is that, um, that's a different re relationship with fire, right?

Than what I've had.

Yes.

And it's a different archetype.

Yeah, the, polarity has the archetype of this, um, Transforming

actor, um, that's gonna move things around and create some chaos.

Uh, in Nahua we've got some other people that are focused on chaos.

In the, , Aztec view.

Um, fire is actually above chaos.

Fire is, is in partnership with ometeotl which is the oneness.

Chaos breaks into two.

Right?

The oneness is both at the same time.

Yeah.

And then it breaks into chaos and order, which might be

tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl might be a way to look at that.

But I do have a practice of how I, I think your question might be . What's

another way to look at working with fire?

, to affect positive, uh, polar positive changes It better?

Yeah.

Right.

Let me, let me qualify what I mean when I think something's better.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because, because better or worse, good or bad, , the Huichol people who

are, , ancestrally related to the Nahua.

When they have a hard decision to make, , they all get together.

They all talk about it.

They don't say what's right or wrong, good or bad.

What they say is, will it grow corn?

Right?

Is it generative for life today and into the future?

, so how do we work with fire to grow corn in our lives?

, and for me, that practice is.

being with the fire.

Hmm.

And recognizing that the fire itself in a fire ring.

, uncontained fire, is a healing medicine

. and I have a couple, of things that

have shown me how amazing fire can be.

, so first and foremost, , for me being around fire, it's

like my body recognizes it.

And, , we say that it's part of our ancestral dna.

, human people became human around the fire.

, we were transformed by the fire.

And so my body just recognizes it.

When I'm around the fire, I feel something.

Mm-hmm.

and then, , working with fire in a ceremonial.

making offerings to the fire in a traditional way, which is acknowledging

this relationship of giving and receiving changes the dynamic from, say, a

barbecue in the backyard or a bonfire at a party, to creating this, , sacred

space that calls in all the directions.

and for the time that we're in that space, we are in the center of the world.

And the transformation in many ways can come from the being with the fire itself,

with the context, and you may not even need the context, but I think it helps

to have the context that you're there.

to receive healing, that you're there to move something in yourself, that

you're there to open yourself to let the, the light shine on your

darkness, to bring forth something.

And so , I think when you're talking about the outward action

and focus, and I love that.

And I love fire as focus, which I got more from polarity than from my own training.

So the opposite side of the outward energy is the inward energy.

And so what I hold as a fire keeper is, , , maybe not embodying to bring

forth, but in-bodying to look inside.

I remember my, , daughter, , when she was in high school in Santa

Cruz, she had a, a science teacher, physics teacher, um, who had retired

from uc, Santa Cruz, uh, in physics.

So the guy had some smarts and, um, ,, I'd gotten involved with the

high school newspaper or something.

I was writing an article.

I don't know.

And I interviewed him and he was one of the developers first

developers of fiber optics.

And he talked about how much information can be contained, you

know,, in a single strand of hair.

I don't know, what is it, 40,000 simultaneous transcontinental

conversations or something in a strand of hair or something.

And, and as I started to work with.

I'd been working with fire for, for a little while.

, actually when I, interviewed this guy and I was like, oh my gosh.

When we light a fire, how much ancestral information is being

conveyed in all that light?

Because, what came first was the Big bang, which was this energy,

this Teotl fire is this Teotl.

Is this heat?

There's not a, there's not a thing that we do.

And you know this, the, the camera and the audio recording, it works on electricity.

How do you generate electricity?

You light something on fire, , or you use water Grandmother,

ocean, Chalchiuhtlicue, you know?

Yeah.

Water's.

Water's great, but what is it?

What's being created through that Water wheel.

Friction, right?

Yeah.

Friction Fire is, exchange polarity.

And so by bringing people, , together around the fire

by holding a neutral space.

And I just wanna, , recount a story that happened to me at, at, at your

class, you know, was it polarity one, and Kim did a demonst.

. And, uh, for the people listening, , , Kim and Amanda teach together and they

have this class and, um, and I, I think Kim just wanted to, to make a

point about the field, about resonance, about neutrality and holding space for

aclient . And so she asked for one of the students, is anybody feeling something?

And a fellow's like, well, my shoulder's bugging me.

And Kim's like, well, come have a seat.

And um, and so Kim grounds herself with this upward downward movement

that I constantly use now.

Hmm.

Uh, drawing up from the earth and down from the sky.

Yeah.

And Kim said nothing.

She did nothing but she held space and, and you could, you could feel

it and see it in her being that she was like really becoming a beacon of

energy that was flowing in and out.

She was becoming, um, transparent and yet highly charged at the same time.

Yeah.

And, I don't know, 3, 4, 5 minutes she's holding this space and she

just kind of looks up and he's, she says, how are you feeling?

And he's like, well, I feel something in my feet.

I feel like something's coming up my feet.

She's like, you feel something in your feet?

Okay.

And then another three, four or five minutes, you know, nothing.

She's just holding space.

And she asked me and she, how are you feeling?

And he's like, well, my, my shoulder.

. It feels looser.

It feels looser.

And, and I had this like humbling moment cuz as a fire keep, you know,

twice a month I invite the public

To come in and sit at the fire with me.

And they're, they have expectations.

Yeah.

Something's supposed to happen at this fire.

And so I'm the kind of person, outwardly focused energy person.

And so sometimes, If I don't feel like enough is happening, I

would wanna engage it to happen.

Sometimes that's good and necessary, and sometimes that's not good.

And watching Kim hold neutral space with intention, she was focused.

She asked him what his issue was.

She knew it.

She was just holding his issue in her field and allowing the

energy to do what it needs to do.

Yes.

Yeah.

And when I saw her do that, I was just, and I'm, I'm like, tears are

like in the back of my eyes here with the humility, the humbling of myself.

I do nothing as a fire.

I should do nothing as a fire keep.

I should simply endeavor to , to hold neutrality, but to help

people, let the fire do it for them.

. Yeah.

Because the fire cre is the creator of everything.

The beginning and the end of ev, the creator, the destroyer, all of it.

But there's not a thing in this world.

There's not a, a meal you can eat.

There's nothing you can do where the energy expresses electricity in our world.

But, but it's all about that, that heat, that brilliance, , , that awareness.

I really loved Sharon the idea that, you know, you were referring

to with the fiber optics and that how much information is contained in this

strand and that the fire itself is also , containing all that information from the

very first fire that ever was and the big bang and beyond that even, right?

Like that, it's all, all time and all fire is in that fire.

Any fire.

. I love that feeling.

, and that truth.

And if I feel that in my body when you say those words, like Yeah.

Yeah.

And then when you say that , you could take that idea of holding neutral space

for a client and how, by being in our own alignment, what, what Kim was doing

there was getting in her own energy alignment between north and South Poles.

Mm-hmm.

the energy alignment of heaven and Earth.

Yeah.

And, and opening that channel.

Because of this principle of resonance that we teach in all of the classes,

there's , an intentional way that we can open our own energy flow

and that the other person's energy will also start to flow and find

their alignment through resonance.

And then it's like, you're not doing, you're non-doing, you're in a

space of non-doing and total trust.

or learning to experience trust in a humble way.

. Yeah.

Always.

Yeah.

That's how I feel about it.

Like you, yeah.

Always.

I'm humbly, you know, learning to trust that more and more

and to do less and less.

But I love the idea specifically around energetic alignment through the fire, that

there's not any action you need to take.

Even though fire itself may, may represent in certain ideas in polarity, perhaps

that, that there's action around.

that there doesn't necessarily need to be, that the fire

has its own intelligence.

That the fire elementally has its own power, its own

memory, its own transmission.

And that if we just sit with it yes.

That it will transform us.

If we just are in the presence of fire, it will do

that work.

Absolutely.

And and you used the word transmission.

Yeah.

And that's perfect.

. And that's, that's really perfect.

And you know, our lives are so consumed by action.

Yeah.

That people need a place to not have action.

Right.

And so, um, you know, when we sit around the fire, it's really about

grounding and listening and letting go.

And then if one is interested in holding the awareness of.

, I can make offerings here.

I can express a desire to connect.

I don't know what it's like to listen to clouds and listen

to trees, or listen to fire.

This is foreign to me, but I'm gonna, uh, suspend my expectations.

. And um, and that's one of the things I'll say often is that, uh, when

we're making offerings is to start working on moving your awareness from

the movie in, in front of your eyes down to the feeling in your heart.

And just what, if you've never thought, what would it

feel like to open your heart?

Just try to go for that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, open your heart to possibility.

Mm-hmm.

. And then the other thing that helps.

, move things a little more quickly if quickly is your thing.

Some people aren't ready to change, right?

Yeah.

Some people it's too much.

Yeah.

They don't wanna open the door, right?

That's cool too.

Mm-hmm.

, right?

Mm-hmm.

. But if you're, if you're wanting to kind of move that along,

then speak and tell your story.

, and rather than thinking, thinking, thinking, what am I gonna say tonight?

What am I gonna say tonight?

I hope they don't call on me.

What am I gonna.

, like you were saying, do less.

Right.

Just wait.

, and ask the fire, I feel something in my body.

I need to let this feeling out.

Speak for me.

Fire and then listen to what you say, right?

Yes.

, and it's about trying to get to your, deepest honesty.

. the, The whole idea of, um,, drawing in.

The things , that frighten you.

Like the fire is really good for working with fear.

Yeah.

And oftentimes, , what we find is that, being willing , to test the

idea that maybe that opposite pole, the pole that you hate and don't

like, that maybe you need a little bit of something of that, , , that can.

come up around the fire.

Hmm.

Um, to have that courage.

. . I just

love that you're such a student of life and mysticism and

many traditions and ways of thoughts, and I just admire that in you very

much.

I, I, I, well, and, and I feel very fortunate, , to have had,

when I was a small, small child, uh, I had some experiences of.

, well, children are magical beings anyway.

Right.

And so I, I remember some of my moments of magic and being able to

pull words out of people's mouths and, you know, some of those things.

But I knew from the time I was little that, um, it's not all as it seems.

Yeah.

And so that's really been my life purpose is to help people.

get some of that.

find a way to, , connect for themself and trust, like you were

mentioning, trusting yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, I feel , really fortunate.

Uh, I am a student.

, we're never done learning, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I

love that,.

. Thank you so much for listening to

to the Divine, I am so grateful for Sharon Brown for discussing how to

align your energy through the fire.

With me today, and I just want to let you know that you can learn

more about the sacred fires that Sharon hosts in Olympia on Facebook.

And you can learn about fires near you from this tradition.

, by going to find my fire.org or sacred fire.org.

if you wanna Learn more about our upcoming polarity classes

that are in person on beautiful land here in Olympia, Washington.

Where our school is being hosted, you can learn more

about that at elevationhive.com,

as well as other events and things going on.

So I really appreciate you listening, following, reviewing, and just

participating with your energy.

It is such an honor to be in sacred community with you.