Beyond The Pills with Kyle Brown: Redefining Health, Leadership, and Personal Responsibility

What happens when we stop searching for quick fixes and start taking responsibility for our health, our leadership, and our lives?

In this powerful episode of Beyond The Pills, we sit down with Kyle Brown for an honest, grounded conversation about what it truly means to heal, lead, and live with intention in a world obsessed with surface-level solutions. Kyle challenges the cultural fixation on pills, protocols, and external answers, and instead invites listeners into a deeper exploration of personal responsibility, self-awareness, and sustainable transformation.

Throughout the episode, Kyle emphasizes that real change doesn’t come from doing more, it comes from becoming more.

“You can’t outsource responsibility for your health and expect long-term results. At some point, ownership has to come back to you.”

Together, we unpack how modern healthcare often treats symptoms while ignoring root causes and how that same pattern shows up in leadership, business, and life. Kyle shares why slowing down, listening to the body, and developing discernment are essential skills for anyone seeking longevity, clarity, and alignment.

“Most people are trying to optimize systems they don’t actually understand—starting with their own body.”

This conversation goes beyond physical health into the inner work required for lasting growth. Kyle speaks candidly about identity, discipline, and the importance of building awareness before chasing performance.

“If you don’t understand yourself, no protocol in the world is going to save you.”

Listeners will walk away with a renewed perspective on what it means to lead from the inside out—recognizing that healing, leadership, and purpose are deeply interconnected.

Whether you’re a healthcare professional, leader, entrepreneur, or someone who knows there’s more to wellness than prescriptions and productivity hacks, this episode will challenge you to think differently and more deeply.

This episode is for you if you’re ready to:

• Move beyond symptom-based solutions
• Reclaim ownership of your health and leadership
• Understand the connection between awareness, discipline, and transformation
• Lead with clarity instead of control
• Build a life rooted in responsibility, not dependency

Because true healing and true leadership has always been beyond the pills.

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Join me and other practitioners as we guide you towards vibrant health, body, mind, and spirit, and move beyond symptom management into true healing. Hello. Hello. Welcome back to this episode of Beyond the Pills, and I'm the host Josh Rimini, pharmacist Turn healer. And guess what? Today we're diving into a conversation that sits right at the intersection of the things I love of ancient wisdom, modern psychology, and leadership evolution.

In a world obsessed with performance, hustle, and external metrics of success, my friend Kyle is here to remind us that the most powerful leadership begins with the nervous system, with alignment and with trusting ourselves fully. Kyle brother, welcome to the show, my friend.

Kyle: Thank you brother. Happy to be here.

Thank you for having me, and excited to, uh, drop some wisdom bombs for your beautiful audience.

Josh: Dude, we have all the most common things together. Like I read your bio and it's like. My brother from another mother, like, we all talk, we talk the same

Kyle: but different. Right. Dude, I think we need to do a DNA test because I think both of us must have been adopted from a different planet

Josh: or, or, or we come from the descendants of the Palladian, whatevers and um, yes.

Kyle: We did. We did. And the alignment is beautiful. And, you know, two people here who are here to help leave this world a better place than when we got here. And that to me is the ultimate sign of success.

Josh: Yeah. Well, let's dive in, man. Um, so much to, to, to just connect with. Let's start with like your journey, right? Your journey of where you came from. 'cause everyone's got an origin story and why they do what they do when they're in the healing world. And it's generally because they've had their own healing done for them and called to do this.

Kyle: Ah, yes, yes. It's interesting you used the words full circle because it was a full circle moment. I've basically gone back to the 6-year-old version of Kyle. So the 6-year-old version of Kyle was lifting weights in the basement, listening to Tony Robbins on tape, getting into health and fitness and, and.

I'm going to build a fitness empire. So I ended up training celebs and pro athletes, the rock stars and rap stars and that whole world. And then, you know, ended up creating a meal replacement shake we had for 17 years. Sold it in Whole Foods, ran the chauffeur a few years on ESPN, called the Empower Hour and had built this external image that was all based on fitness and wellness.

I'm like, I'm fine. Mind over matter. I've done mental toughness university. I'm good. So I pushed through it. I'm out hiking with one of my clients. I've got a lot of Western docs in my family and friend Rolodex. So I'm FaceTiming with a couple of 'em. I'm like, I'm not shaking this. I don't know what's going on.

She looks at me, she grabs the phone and she calls code sepsis over the loudspeaker. After looking at my x-ray, I am like, who's that for? And she goes, you. I go, what? She's like, yeah, your organs are shutting down your near death. Totally straight faced. She had no sense of humor. In a moment it was. A protocol er emergency for her.

And at that moment, uh, I think the, the shell cracked for the first time in a long time. And I had to surrender as this guy who only organics wouldn't touch an antibiotic or any of this kind of stuff. 'cause it's gonna kill the good microflora in your gut. I had to get ingested and ivd through every possible thing they could to try to save me.

Josh: but something did. Right? There's some under billing, uh, influence in there with your, your subconscious and, and the universe.

We probably think you can't tell, but yes, it was divine

Kyle: timing, unquestionably.

Josh: I love that

It started with a shutting down of. All masculine energy. It was just gone. And I went into very wounded, uh, and divine feminine energy. So no clarity, no motivation, couldn't work out. All these things that were defining me were gone. I was begging for clarity. I was missing all these work deadlines, getting things done once I got out of there.

But, uh, spiritually it was like a rocket ship right back to uh, an elevated version of the childhood version of me and switched the business from strive for fitness to rapid harmony. And, uh, for me it was all not a school thing. It was an embodiment experience.

And I love working with high powered, high, high impact heart driven men, right? Because we've done our own work. This is what we love. But it's like that. And there's the shamanic like wounded healer's journey in there where you had to face your death and, and facing that death and coming out, like not just the, the physical part of it, but that's generally where people go, oh, it's the outside.

And then whoop went straight into the internal world and like went to that higher purpose, that second mountain. And, and what a good shift. Like how cool is

Kyle: that? It's, it's incredible. And yes, I'm sitting here smiling, happy most of my days spent in a bliss consciousness now. Love it. And boy oh boy, like we think the physical's the hardest part.

Josh: Well, that's why I wanted to, I want you beat me to it. Of course, we're aligned is this, it's like the, it kind of the dark night of the soul. It's this awakening moment and when people move up against it and through it, it's the only way we know this.

But you, you're speaking of it now in such a good tone, but that, my question was to you was it wasn't that easy when you were going through. It wasn't. No, it's not. It's, it's freaking hard. Like really hard. But it's kind of like when you have kids, they're the hardest thing you'll ever do and it's the most rewarding.

And for me to have the capacity I've been coaching 25 years, and to have the capacity to handle such extreme things for people in big life transitions, I, I'm an experiential lean, uh, you know, learner, and I had to sit in the energies of guilt and shame for extended periods of time, and not alone in a cave.

I needed to sit in that and really,

Josh: but the book was being written. That's the thing. The story, the story was being written in the moment because you move through it. Like you ne we can never talk about these things like in real time, in the way you're talking now. 'cause there was it's deep shit like you're going through it and that's why you're such a powerful healer and learner and, and, and leader for, for good, awesome, amazing people and men because.

You and I are very in tune to the medicine wheel and the shamanic healings and things. And going through our own journey is what shamans do. It's not something that they go to school for. It's their, their, it's like the life learning. They're apprenticing them through their own life. And so I love that you've, how cool is it how we've done this like to ourselves in the way that it happened, like for us Oh, and.

You do the cool shit that I love to do is you're putting all the modern day shit into the ancient. Yes. So tell me how you worked, how did you get to the play? I just say modern day. I say ancient wisdom meets modern day science. So the way I look at it is the modern day medicine man, because it feels good for me to be the pharmacist and the healer.

Kyle: man. You know, I, I was really actually sitting and contemplating this yesterday of all days.

I was sitting down in the boyard and I'm remembering, uh, the high school version of me who loved. Sitting there with my buddy Luis and talking philosophy and talking psychology. It's my favorite class in school. My favorite professors were the biology professor. And of course I wrote a book called How Much Does a Zebra Weigh?

Thinking the only way out is through me consciousness and then wanting to end your life. And then eventually stepping into this servant's heart and we consciousness and fully being about we consciousness is how he escaped that repeat of every single day. And then at the end, he stays there. Sorry if I ruined this movie, but hopefully by now everybody's seen it.

I said, all right, I don't wanna speak in an eco chamber. Where's gonna be an interesting challenge where I can take people who at least. Are scientifically curious. And so I said, Hmm. And I connected with Psychology Today and I've been writing a column for them, which is the title of my book, total Self-Trust.

So I write that column for them as well, which is finding that line of bridging the gap in meeting people where they're at. And to me, the psychology and also even the psychedelic space, it's not about the diagnoses and the labeling and the just deep understanding. It's about the constant exploration of conscious awareness.

And to me, that is so fun and fascinating and I don't think I'll ever get sick of studying it.

Podcast rooted around the fun thing that you just said too, like, and, and the psychedelic world. It's those non-ordinary states of consciousness, which is to me, probably more ordinary than we think it is, because that is the true we consciousness when you just evolve into that. So I love the Dispenza work and all those other guys, they're just, we're all exploring this whole thing that's way beyond our senses.

And dropping in and getting into the void is like, I love blending that, you know, for, for, for the West World brain. It's like, oh, I gotta hit you with the science, but now, now I can, now you're gonna experience the woo, right? I don't mean to look at the neuroplasticity of psilocybin while I'm under the journey.

It's like, oh, now I know what God really meant.

And to me, you know, for when I started digging into the study of psychedelics as an example, you know, the person I aligned with the most was Timothy Leary's son, Zach. And so I started studying under him because he added in that third s that his dad and Ramdas had left out, which is sustainability. You know, there was set, there was setting set being the mindset that you bring to the experience setting intentions.

And I think through both, you know, the supplement world, right? I was in that space in manufacturing natural health products and also in the western medicine world. So much of it is a bandaid approach on both sides where it's like, just gimme something to up this. But I'm not actually going to focus on embodying the best and highest version of myself.

So then I went on this anti pharmacy kick for a while, and then I was on pharmacy for a while, just getting people off it. And then I was like, no, it's beyond pharmacy. People are really sick. They, the pill for the ill is what you talked about. It's like, and. What drives me mad sometimes is people are developing this same philosophy around thick care and symptom resolution and something on the outside fixing me that they're even go, you've seen this too.

Like, no, that's not the job either. I love what you said, sustainability, the word that came to me through that is also integration, right? When we work through the preparation, the journey work and the integration, you can put mind altering type sus stuff like psychedelics in there, but it's still the same process with.

Growth work with transformation work, there is a preparation. You gotta prepare the body, you gotta prepare the mind, and you gotta prepare the soul for a transition. Then you do the work, you do the work with them. You're the guide in the journey. We co-create with people. We don't diagnose them. I love that you said that because that's conversation's been hitting me in lots of places lately.

When someone gets a diagnosis and worse yet, they get a a bad terminal diagnosis and they say. You have six months to live. Well, one, they have no fricking idea. And two, I don't believe in the word diagnosis 'cause it's an opinion if you don't believe it. We know the biology of belief. I wanna get your thoughts on the psychology side of this, because we know it's a death sentence.

You don't get a second diagnosis. You get a second opinion. But we don't call an opinion on the front end because the doctor says, I know what's wrong with you. I'm gonna write this stuff. I'm not gonna prescribe any of that lifestyle stuff we're talking about. But here's the, and I don't, I don't blame doctors.

I'm not trying to be nasty. It's. I'm having conversations more with folks like you now that's like, why did we ever stop there? Why do we stop in society? It says diagnose, treat, repeat, manage symptoms, don't get any better, just maintain less sickness. Now you and I are, are so in this space, it's like no new healthcare is called WellCare.

It's actually called healing. Let's talk about that.

Like, okay, great. You saw some maturity along your journey to get to a point to realize we're all one. In the healthcare space. Two things. One, you know, I trained as a medicine man through multiple lineages. And guess what? If I'm having a heart attack, I'm not calling a shaman. No. I will use the ER and I will say thank you.

And if it wasn't for all of those antibiotics, I wouldn't be here on this podcast right now. So thank you. Western Medicine. Another one. My daughter got me on this one. Woo. The kids always get us. My daughter's type one diabetic at the moment is the way I like to word it. Currently, type one diabetic.

Uh oh. Blew up that BS belief system for me, that paradigm. And I was like, oh, there's beauty in everything. And then you can take it one level, which is super deep down the rabbit hole, which is if the entire universe is mental, there's no such thing as synthetic.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Kyle: Everything is mentally created and this is all perception being reality, which really puts people in a tail's been deep duck.

Right. So Alan Watts talks about the psychedelic experience, for example, and viewing it as you're looking through the microscope and saying The scientist doesn't stay looking under the microscope. When he is done, he comes out and then starts putting the stuff to work. And I think on this healing journey, what is so important with the modern day healthcare is in the moment, I will honor and respect Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

And that optimizing isn't just what you're doing for your own health. It is what you're doing for the collective ecosystems health. I love that.

Josh: Yes. I I love your shamanic reference. 'cause when I went through the medicine wheel in my own, uh, certification process when I was learning, I still remember it.

That's how I, that's how I teach energy work with people is like, it's both. So I've been the word, the, the tiny word and has had such a deep meaning for me.

Kyle: Oh, oh. Same, same. And make that word even tinier because I went, uh, to Necker Island, you know, which is Richard Branson's private island on this trip.

It's about how you use them and how you integrate them together

Josh: and getting clear on that why, like you said, right? If you're clear on your why in the deep why not just like, why did I wake up today? It's like, no, I went to work now. Like, why? And what you're doing, what you want in this life. I just throw how and when out the window I let, I let the attachment to the universe decide how it's gonna unfold, but I gotta get really clear and focused on why I'm here, what I'm here to do, and that's part of my authenticity and my path to wholeness journey that I went on that.

'cause that part is the whole

Kyle: I, so I've got a, I've got a little tool that people can use for that, that I think is a really interesting, uh, day in, day out perspective. Oh, good. I love

Josh: the, we got, I love giving people

Kyle: things to do on this show. Thank you. So here's, so here's one that I just love. Uh, I call it the microscope versus the telescope.

So in 25 years of coaching, I've noticed, you know, I, I went through a whole different realm of people. It was the celebs and the pro athletes, and then I'm like, I wanna work with the wealthiest people in the world. And I started redefining what real wealth is because I realized some of these people who in the 2D right, their bank accounts or ebitda, their business valuation was in the billions.

I was shy, I didn't wanna screw anything up. And so I glued to the wall and my dance move was this, eyes to the left, eyes to the right. 'cause if I actually moved my body now, ah. I'm completely disengaged because I'm gonna screw something up. So they get so spiritually involved and so on. The path involved that they isolate themselves from the human experience.

Yeah. And then they're way too disconnected. And I got to learn that experientially, unfortunately, through my aunt, who really didn't get to connect to the human experience and she ended up getting type two diabetes, losing one leg, then the next, and then her life. And it was a, a struggle with the human experience and embodiment.

We are part of the animal kingdom. We are a communal animal. Go volunteer at a food shelter, go help someone else and get that law of cause and effect reciprocal relationship. So that's where you learn whether or not do I need to zoom in or do I need to zoom out?

Josh: I love, I love this. It's so fun because I use the same analogy of the microscope and the telescope as it relates to health, right?

Mm-hmm. Getting down to the DNA and then getting out into the, the spiritual side of things. Like, it's just so fun that you, you, I love the parallels. That's all

Kyle: the, the DNA to the DMT. Okay. I gotta steal that one now. Um, so Dave, you got permission right here live and you have a recording of the permission.

So here,

Kyle: book route? Uh, yeah. I think there's some really interesting themes behind the concept of total self-trust and the embodiment of total.

Yeah.

Josh: I wanna, I wanna dive into that. Like where did this, where did this come from,

Kyle: uh, on this journey? As I was going through this understanding, uh, experientially of the different pieces of my self, first off, uh, I started to realize most people had a huge issue with trust externally with everything that's been going on in the world, economically, politically, society wise.

Not at all. They know the labels that other people get that were given to them. They know the concepts that are coming from their ego, but they don't understand their full self. So I started looking at the different distinctions of the self, one being the different parts of the brain from, you know, your lizard brain to your monkey mind, to your full frontal lobe and all of that through the mental paradigm.

Yeah. He used it initially on some of his TV shows. He didn't keep with it, but I wish he did. And it was the idea of this is your earth guide only so it has its purpose. Right. And there was no acronym for the Self for the Higher Self. And so deep in meditation, the idea of a sacred, empowered, luminous force.

It was beautiful. And Oh, I love that place. It's, it's, it's snake energy down there in the weeds, which is where the ego can be versus like a hawk energy, which is up above and can see the full field from like that 20, 30,000 foot view with an, with an eagle eye. And, uh, for that, I actually ended up getting this, I think since I've seen you last, a nice little nice little ring.

Is that the, uh, Cherokee Diamonds? Ah, yes, I've, I've got plenty of those here with me. You know the good drugs, the Cherokee,

Josh: I got some here too. They right. Oh my gosh. They're right up

So

Josh: please do. This is a fucking fun story.

Kyle: Okay. So

Josh: it's real. I experienced this people, this is real stuff. Okay.

Kyle: Okay. So this beautiful medicine woman who's, uh, very, how would I word it? She is, uh, the real deal. Her name's Soaring Blue Eagle. I got connected with her about three years ago and started studying under her really a lot about animal energy.

And she has this land called the Land of Two Seas, which is basically this incredible spiritual vortex hidden in plain sight. And fortunately someone connected Josh and I saying, man, he is totally on the path and he's the perfect person to come and experience this, you know, high level because of not only the depths of work he's done, but because of his open-mindedness.

But instead of vibranium what they have, there are these things that are called Cherokee diamonds. And these things within her three acres are these incredible crystals, which we don't know exactly where they're from. They could be falling from the UFOs, they could be part of the. Spiritual enlightened quest of the passing of her husband who had, you know, indigenous bureau on that land.

And you start feeling bad. You're like, crap, I just cleared it off. You go inside for a few minutes and eat. You walk back out there and they're there again. Now this incredible woman has a LS, she's not sprinting around three acres, planting them like Easter eggs. These things are falling from the sky. It is beyond words and they are consciousness.

And in the shamanic path, you know, I like to look at shamanism through three different lenses. One is. The animal spirits, and that's the place that she plays the most, which is understanding and studying animals and their consciousness and wisdom. Then there's the plant spirits, which they're, you know, the Amazon, for example, which is so rich in plants.

I'm like, okay, makes sense that they would tap into the consciousness of the rocks and the crystals that are there. And this is a place where you have a woman who works with animal spirits who is just like, eh, about the fact that she has the most amazing rocklike spirit consciousness on her land. And, uh, such a gift for us.

And I, I've studied shamanism too, but more on the, the medicine wheel of the Amazon. So we, it was really good to hear the, the, the wisdom of the, the animal energies. And I, I learned that my spirit animal was a cougar. Yes. That

Kyle: not, not the type of cougar that chases you down at Whole Foods when he is trying to get almond milk,

Josh: but when you think about that cougar energy, isn't it interesting that my, my college.

Nickname. I can't tell you the story on air, but we'll go off air of how I got this nickname, but my nickname was Bobcat. And when I heard like she's just doing the channeling and the things, and like we figured out, she's like, you got, you're Cougar. You're Cougar Energy. I'm like, no fucking way. Like the full circle moment hit me.

Like it was just another reason of that surrender. We're talking about, we'll go to the, yeah, I gotta get to your book. But the, the surrender was. You'll appreciate this and I know you do is like, part of my journey, part of our journeys that we need to go on in humanity is there's some things your analytical can never explain and that's okay.

Which is, is like, if you really think about it, self-trust is all about your alignment and your auth authenticity.

Kyle: Yes. And here's one of the hardest parts for people, and I've been leaning into this in the last little bit, which is we, we all have our basic Cuban needs, right? And one of those human needs, especially in a time where you can't trust anyone or anything external, is that need for certainty.

So then if you have to have your two intermediaries to connect to the divine, which is either the religion or the science and that science won't call it divine, they'll have a different word for the same dang thing. What can you really do Well stop looking without and start looking with it.

Josh: All right, we're back.

That was weird. Tell me what just happened. 'cause you froze and I was like, what's going on? I think we should just like take this moment to chill and maybe this is the time we

So I have a lot of times when I have people and I'm taking 'em through things that I call a quantum catapult breakthrough session, and we're tapping into things like quantum entanglement, quantum jumping, and physics along those lines where that exact same kind of thing happens, which is modern day technology vibrates at a particular frequency just like everything else, and it can't keep up with how epic our conversation is basically.

And the power went out and you lost the internet. Dude, the power went out. Everything shut out. My lights went out in the house. It was basically like Mother Nature did a mic drop confirming the depths of what we just said.

We were just getting, we were just talking about things you can't explain and how beautiful they are. Like, I've been on this podcast so many times, I am hardwired in, I got a gig worth of internet going on. And the little ticker up here goes, you're losing your internet connection. You're losing, like, I've slowed things down so many times on this inter on this podcast having these beautiful conversations and I now you just explained it to me why that's so, yes.

Freaking cool.

That's right. I, uh, I got a, I got a fun story for that actually. So I'm sitting here, I'm coaching a client that was referred over, we're in session number one about to do one of these quantum catapult breakthrough sessions I do with people and she starts off, she's like, look, I got referred over by my friend.

Her life seems totally different and incredible and she's living her best life, but I'm really skeptical of all this stuff. I'm like, great, great. Just remember a lot of times skepticism is just. Admitting you're afraid, but just be curious. So instead of skeptic, just walk in curious. And I'm starting to explain this to her.

But I took my laptop and I said, just look at this. This is freaking me out a little bit and it's freaking awesome. And I turned it around and she goes, whoa. Because sitting right there looking at us like this leaning forward was a hawk, which was the exact animal I was just talking about. I'm like, yeah, when I said they visit me, they visit me.

For about 30 minutes. It proceeded to be right there just looking and staring in. So I popped some pictures. I sent it over to her and she was just like a little unhinged because it took her certainty away for a minute. So we got her back to center, but she was also then became a little bit more open to, Hey, what's the worst thing I have to lose in this moment?

Like when we're little kids, our biggest goal is to imagine more and think less. We wanna go out, travel, see, do and experience. And for me, you talked about diagnosis and labels. I flipped that on its head a little bit and jokingly say, gosh, I would love to be diagnosed with Peter Pan Syndrome. Not that I want an actual diagnosis, but Right what last time I checked adulting is heavy, hard, serious, and kind of sucks.

And what do they share in common? They're like little kids.

Josh: Oh, their sense of humor is beautiful. And their essence is just, it's playful. Right? It's like pixie. Playful.

Kyle: Yes. I love that. And the psychology is really interesting behind that. There's so much psychology to show. Our abilities to learn is so much greater when we're in a state of play.

So why not become playful? You're gonna learn so much more.

So yeah, you can't refute the science and. I love capital T truce because when you say it, you really can't say anything against it. You're like, yeah, when you're more So I just had written down your, what was your acronym for self again? So it

Kyle: is sacred, empowered. Empowered, luminous. Right. Your light body force, your sacred, empowered, luminous force.

No, it's, that's also, but you gotta learn to teammates with your ego. Right. And just 'cause we don't know the reason. Doesn't mean it's useless. And there's parts of western society or western medicine that look at it like the game operation and say, oh, you know, you don't need that appendix. You don't need that gallbladder.

You don't need the why in this incredibly precise machine. Would we be given extra wasted parts?

Josh: Oh, well we go down this rabbit hole for days because everybody the, you talk about epigenetics, right? And getting down to that microscope. I love the science of functional genomics, like the genomics of epigenetics and the signaling of the environment and all that stuff.

Kyle: Right? Nobody. There's zero away. We just don't know yet. Right. The overwhelming. Essence that is us, they're telling us is junk. What is that Similar to?

That to me is very similar to you are born broken as an awful, horrible sinner and spend the rest of your life trying to get to a place of joy. Oh bro, I don't know about you, but I have never looked at a newborn baby and thought anything besides, wow. Wow. Look at that. It is fricking miracle, the divine I've ever seen the miracle of almost any animal in the animal kingdom.

Actually, I'd say any animal in the animal kingdom, if you watch a newborn or a little video of it, you see a kitten. Right? The most popular videos on social media are cat and dog videos. Puppies. Yeah. Puppies.

Josh: Why they're so adoptable? Because they're

Josh: What? You a horrible little sinner? You, you horrible person. Look at you. No, that's, that's part of the reason why I tell people I'm highly spiritual, but not very religious because the dogma associated with, you know, Christianity of like, you're, you're a bad sinner and you need to avenge that and go to this light side, or you're going to like, no, God is loving.

We all have a choice in world, but you know, we don't need to get into the whole hole of that. Right. Right. But out your book comes out on one 11. Mm-hmm. The, the symbology we talked about of the date, but um, and there's some sacredness to 1 1, 1. Right. And but what called you to write it now?

Kyle: Like, why, why now?

I don't know, whatever it is for you, but in each one of these parts of the pathway, it is your journey. And to me, what I think a lot of people forget in any form of transformational work is people will have an experience and they think that needs to be everybody else's experience.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Kyle: Not at all. We all have our own unique journey.

That's why we are here as fractals of the divine and within our own unique journey. Find the, you know, for me, the O in the process optimize is making the conditions work for you. It's like find your own. Path towards your own remembrance, towards your own joy and bliss, which is your birthright

Josh: and not you as broken.

And we've, we're, we're working on collaborating that in 26. Oh yeah. Because we got some, we got some powerful things like double back on. We did, we did the beta test at the land of Two Sands inorganically. I just showed up to your thing and it was so much fun. Right. But so that, I love that you said that because I, the, everyone should get this book because.

There's a way and manner in which to move to this space of wholeness, of, you know, this self-trust, this space that we, we, we be, we feel good. And I love your, I love your fun energy to this. Like, you're just, you're goofy with it. You know? I have another friend, my friend pj, like he's a, he, he's got the beard and everything and I, I nicknamed him at one of our retreats.

I'm like, dude. You're goofy Jesus. And he's like, so his nickname is literally goofy Jesus, because he's got the beard. But he's just fun. The energy is like kid and playful and I, it, they're all the shamans that I've ever met and the healers, they don't take this shit so seriously. Even in freaking ceremony, they're laughing, they're having fun, they don't freaking care 'cause they don't care about your story.

Kyle: Maybe 15 years ago is my guess. I remember reading the book Conversations with God, you know, Neil Donald Wal, which is a, to me, a great starting place for a lot of people 'cause he is very questioning and you know, pragmatic going about the journey. But there was a line in there which was, you know, they're talking about that exact concept of like, wait, you know, as he's going back and forth with the divine trying to figure out different things, he's like, yeah.

Why are you making a mockery of this? Like, why you, why are you laughing about this? And he says, and you know, God says, who do you think created sense of humor? And if you can't find the humor in all of this, you know, maybe I found that really young in high school. 'cause I did smoke a lot of weed back then as my coping mechanism.

It's funny. If you can find the humor in those things and stop taking yourself so seriously, life gets good. Uh, I'll give you one quick example of when that happened for me, and I think this might help people listening at home. Uh, if you're listening right now and you've had anxiety, stress, panic attacks, overwhelm, all that stuff, I was that guy.

And I was like, ah, what am I gonna do? So I thought back to the days when I'd listened to the Beatles and them doing transcendental meditation, and I started with tm. It helped tremendously. And I started using those different tools to help with, with not being a serious person because most people thought I was disinterested or arrogant, when in reality I was just shy and too stuck in my head and not in my heart.

And the other thing that I did that was such a big aha for me was I started watching crap loads of comedy, observational humor. And then I started studying standup. And I actually went to standup comedy University led by Pauly Shore's sister, she rest in peace, Sandy Shore over at the World Famous Comedy Store.

Nothing in life has to be so serious.

Josh: No, I love, I love that. And, and it, it needs to have some level of focus, right? When you're, when you're in a deep meditative trance or you're working on the subconscious, there's definitely focus. But like you said, it's like you can, you don't need to stay out there for too long because you lose touch.

Let's reel back into the ground. That's why in, in the, the medicine wheel we give, we give, you know, not only the, the reverence to the directions, but you know, PAMA and the ground and the earth and the, the star keepers, you know, and so, right. It's because it's both, it's, and you know, so where's the book?

It's coming out on the 11th. Amazon.

Josh: that.

Kyle: Amazing. And, and then, uh,

Josh: and then you've got rapid harmony.com,

Kyle: right? Rapid harmony.com. And then on all socials, a great way to connect with me is my full name, Kyle Emmanuel Brown. Oh,

Josh: and you got the new podcast. We gotta talk about that a little bit.

Kyle: Yeah. So, uh, I, you know, I used to have a radio show on ESPN, uh, radio called The Empower Hour, and I'd walk people through their hero's journeys of celebs and pro athletes, rock stars and rap stars, and bring in experts.

And what I decided to do is really lean into, you know, it's been 10 years and, you know, there's a time for me to get back out, uh, you know, from behind the scenes onto the stage of this, uh, great play that we're in. And so finding that interesting mix for those high achieving conscious entrepreneurs of big missions.

I can't wait, man, because

Josh: we could probably go on for another hour and eight minutes, um, and more because there's so much connection. Like, I love when, when I'm interviewing people that I just know love and trust. We've had a relationship, but we've also have this common knowledge of like truths that we've gone through our own journey.

And I wanna, I can't wait to dive into your, your real book. I have the download, but I love the real, the real books is, my definition of self care is simple, easy, lucrative, and fun. Oh, I love it. I love it. Because lucrative to me isn't about money anymore. It's about the abundance of love in life. And awe, I could put awe in there, but it doesn't have an L in it.

My brother. Um, go check him out. Rapid harmony.com. Go grab his book. It's coming out. It's gonna be amazing. I can't wait to spread that out for everybody. Um, congratulations, man. Like you're doing some super cool things. I cannot wait to get back on an episode where we're gonna be, um, integrating both of our stuff together and bringing people up.

We're already just talking about like ridiculous retreat, not like mini retreat. We're going all in. So I'm excited to bring that to, uh, to the, to the, to the equation and to, to the realities that

Kyle: we're in. Go big or go home and no duh. Sometimes, sometimes going big means going somewhere amazing. So let's do it.

Alright. Woo. That's a wrap.