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In this episode, we delved into the strategic aspects of political campaigns, particularly focusing on objection handling in marketing and how it parallels political maneuvering. We discussed the recent announcement of Nicole Shanahan as a Vice-Presidential Candidate alongside Bobby Kennedy Jr., emphasizing the importance of addressing potential objections to strengthen their campaign. The conversation extended into the broader implications of such strategic decisions in the political landscape, highlighting the need for campaigns to anticipate and skillfully manage public perceptions and objections.

The intersection of marketing strategies and political campaigning draws parallels between anticipating customer objections in business and voter concerns in politics. This approach is crucial for crafting compelling narratives that resonate with the electorate, particularly in a polarized environment. By analyzing the Kennedy-Shanahan campaign, I illustrated how political figures could leverage these strategies to navigate complex political waters and potentially secure electoral success.

Join us as we deep dive into the mechanics of political campaigning, the role of strategic communication, and the importance of handling objections effectively. By drawing lessons from marketing and applying them to political contexts.

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What We Explored This Episode

00:02:10 - Discussion on Political Campaigns and Handling Objections

00:10:45 - Insights into Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s Political Strategy

00:18:30 - Analysis of Vice Presidential Pick and Campaign Dynamics

00:25:50 - Deep Dive into Nicole Shanahan's Background and Controversies

00:35:00 - Examination of Political Alignments and Funding Sources

00:42:30 - Strategies for Addressing Public and Media Concerns

00:50:15 - Reflections on Political Integrity and Campaign Challenges

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"Fear holds the old system in place. Fear keeps us sick, scarce, and maintains broken relationships, both individually and collectively."

"In marketing, we anticipate objections and design handlers that use these objections to our advantage to further the sale. This approach should have been applied to the Nicole Shanahan announcement."

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Hey, it's David. Welcome back to A Changed Mind, A Sanctuary for Your Spirit, a place where I will remind you each and every episode of the certainty of the goodness of the future. I am your friend, your host, your political observationist, David Bayer. You know, I have been on a small tear here of some episodes around global matters, some episodes where I shared my experiences around a private dinner that I had with Bobby Kennedy Jr. and then a response I got to actually publishing that episode. And what I found is that you guys really love hearing my thoughts, my take, my perspective on these topics. Don't worry, of course, we're going to continue to have lots of conversations from a first principle standpoint, a root cause standpoint. We'll be talking about your relationships, prosperity, abundance, growing your business, spiritual development, health and wellness in our bodies. What I found is that there's a tremendous crossover between the community who are enthusiastic about Bobby and the conversations that we're already having here on A Changed Mind where we talk about the issues that matter most. And first and foremost, what matters most is our thoughts. Our thoughts are creating our reality. This isn't woo-woo. This is physics. This is metaphysics. This is neuroscience. This is behavioral psychology. And apparently what we've all been creating collectively is a transformation in the way our systems of finance are working, our systems of healthcare. We are at this really emergent point where the unprocessed traumas of our past that have been developing and materializing is what we would call totalitarian control in the form of censorship and corporate capture and the military-industrial complex are now coming head to head with us waking up to a new level of consciousness and now saying, hey, we really don't like what we've created and learning the principles by which we can actually create something new. In the midst of all of that are a lot of different details that can be interesting that I encourage you to inform yourself of as long as they don't move you into fear because fear is what holds the old system in place. Fear is what keeps us sick. Fear is what keeps us scarce. Fear is what keeps us in broken relationships in our own individual lives and collectively fear is what creates these corrupt systems that we would like to see changed. And so in the details are the emergence of new characters like Bobby Kennedy Jr. and I find him fascinating. Of course, he and I have a shared background in the form of our 12-step recovery. I asked him when we were at dinner together, I said, you know, I've seen people just come at you and attack you personally. Talk about how it really just all out lies, things that you've said, all of your family members hate you, really positioning you as a wacky conspiracy theorist and an extremist and I never see you react. Is that a result of the foundation that you've developed over the course of what you shared with me was really the last 40 years in working the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous and he said, absolutely. That's what's given me the emotional resilience to not take things personally and allow people to just express what they have to express and then put me in a position to share an intelligent response and we see that with Bobby and what's so surprising, given the fact that we've seen him essentially play his run for the presidency perfectly in my opinion, really just allowing the forces that are at work within the two-party system to navigate him into a position to actually win the presidency and let me elaborate on what I mean by that. What I mean is that early on in my opinion and you know, my wife and I have had a lot of conversations around this, she doesn't particularly pay attention to it but I got to talk to somebody about it and she believes in freedom, she believes in the change that's taking place, she believes in this emergence of a new consciousness, a new system, she just doesn't pay attention to all the details necessarily and frankly, she has a good point. She says a lot of times it starts turning into sort of like political porn where you become addicted to just listening to the shock and awe of what can feel like the chaos of the evolving world but I said to her, I said, you know, there's only one way Bobby Kennedy can really win and that's if he runs as an independent but he won't run as an independent because he's such a diehard Democrat, right? He comes from the most democratic family in history, in fact even going all the way back to I guess it was maybe his great-grand-uncle or grandfather, I can't follow the whole family tree but Joe Kennedy, Joe Kennedy was a protector of the people. He was actually one of the individuals who put a lot of legislation in place that was designed to regulate the financial system after the Great Depression. A lot of people don't know this but I think it was in 1938, he passed a series of legislation, that legislation was in place really regulating the financial services industry and in particular making sure that there was no collusion between insurance product and financial services products and during the Clinton administration, they repealed a number of those laws and those regulations and if memory serves me right, it was like Graham-Leach-Bliley Act, Glass-Steagall Act that had been in place for a long, long time. Clinton deregulated the financial industry and that's actually what led to the possibility of AIG but I believe that Joe Kennedy way back when believed that the Great Depression was essentially manipulation of the financial market, it was the wealthy essentially creating the equivalent of a bank run but in the stock market and sweeping the stock market and so you have this family generation after generation after generation who are sort of champions of the people and so Kennedy was really sticking to his democratic guns until the Democratic Party forced him into a position to run as an independent and I really liked how he spoke about it. He said, look, the most important thing than me running according to the principles which I believe are democratic principles, democratic party principles is that all of my constituents have the right to vote for me and the Democrats are putting me in a position where in certain states I'm not going to be allowed to run in the primary and I can't have that so despite the fact that I'm not thrilled about it, I'm being forced to running as an independent and I thought, man, isn't this, if you go back to so many of the episodes on this podcast about how we create our reality and the power of vibration, the power of thought and how if you're resistant to something, you'll actually create that resistance in your life. I was like, isn't this incredible that the Democrats in their blatant and aggressive attempts to prevent the democratic process are actually forcing Bobby Kennedy into a position where he can become a real threat to them. That's like foundational to what we teach. Your worst fear becomes realized. So Kennedy by really just, I think the nature of following principles, following values, following intuition and following a playbook had put himself in a position where I think he could become the next president of the United States. And I'm not saying that anything I'm going to share around his vice presidential pick, Nicole Shanahan, it changes that. But what I would say is it was a surprising pick. And so I want to share my thoughts around this. And also in fairness to the political conversation, I think that this election, probably cliche to say, they probably say this with every election, is the most important election of our lifetime. It's the most important election because of the disclosure that's taking place and the awareness that democracy has been seized or captured for quite a while now. And at least the obviousness, perhaps it's a new level of intensity, but the obviousness of the propaganda that we're being served up as American citizens and global citizens, the two-party political system, the two-party propaganda or media system. So many things that we've learned through the process of going through the pandemic and COVID-19 around how quote unquote science works and how you can have two completely opposing viewpoints that can be considered science and how much our science is actually influenced by capitalism and corporationism and the corporate capture and influence of non-governmental organizations and governmental organizations from the CDC to the World Health Organization to the American Pediatric Association. So we're learning a lot about how things either have worked that we weren't aware of for a while that aren't congruent and aligned with I think any of our values. Now, some people just aren't able to experience the transparency of what's happening because of their own personal biases and because of media manipulation. So there's still a lot of people who are sort of playing that it's their fault game with politics or with healthcare or with finance or with the military, with the war, right? But there's a much greater nuance when you actually start to understand the details. You see that there is a force at work here that has a level of cohesion that spans across a military influence, political influence, media influence, financial interests, and governance. And so it is an important election. I don't think everything is going to flush out in this election. I believe that the individuals who are showing up for this election are just reflections of our own consciousness. I have doubts about whether or not humanity internally has developed themselves, that we have developed ourselves enough to actually put into place new systems that will represent the greatest and best of what we're capable of. I think in order to do that, we have to do a lot more work on ourselves. And this really goes back to my episode two episodes ago where I talked about the reaction that I experienced after having published my first episode on my conversation, my private dinner with Bobby Kennedy Jr. I talked about how it's very difficult to have political conversations with people and that until we can get to a place that we're able to have conversations and have disagreements without those activating triggers within us or unprocessed trauma, we're still going to see that trauma expressing itself externally. So I'm not so sure we're ready for a Bobby Kennedy to take office right now. If the measurement of the results externally is correlated to the measurement of who we've become internally, I'm not so sure that we've developed ourselves to a level of deserving of Bobby Kennedy as our president. But the results will indicate that one way or another. But he's played it basically perfectly and then he selected Nicole Shanahan as his vice presidential pick. So I got to experience firsthand a lot of what you all felt about that pick because you commented on my previous two episodes, the episode where I shared my private dinner with Bobby Kennedy and the episode where I talked a little bit about the backlash of my first episode. There were a number of you who said, hey, I was all for RFK, but now I'm not so sure. I don't understand this pick. He did it just for the money. Hey, she's a George Soros lackey. And I'm going to get into addressing as best as I can, not being an expert on pretty much anything, but being thoughtful about my observations in the world and trying to operate from really a root cause first principle standpoint. I want to share some feedback around these pieces. I will say that my understanding is Nicole Shanahan was not his first pick. And again, this is just speculation, but there was a short list of people and I was told by a very credible source that that short list was accurate. The people on most of the short lists were on the short list. And I looked at that list at one point after I had already picked my VP. I wanted to play sort of a presidential draft pick. And I had one pick, and I'll tell you who my pick was in a second, that I think would have put him over the edge and would have, I won't say guaranteed that he became the next president of the United States, but I would have bet strong if this was his running mate. But on the short list were people like Jesse Ventura, and I'm not quite sure how you could possibly entertain Jesse Ventura as seemingly great of a governor as he is. And I don't know the guy personally, but I appreciate a lot of his perspectives, a lot of what he was describing as conspiracy theories 15 years ago have turned out to be absolute fact. I like what Russell Brand says, the difference between a conspiracy theory and fact these days is about six months. But Jesse Ventura doesn't get you anywhere. In fact, Jesse Ventura puts you in a worse position for the people whose votes you're trying to win over, which as RFK says himself, are the baby boomers, the people who are still influenced to legacy media or trying to get some of the non-voters who might become active in voting, new voter. But Jesse Ventura doesn't get you any of that. In fact, Jesse Ventura just reinforces the image that the legacy media has effectively at some level portrayed a Bobby Kennedy Jr. as a wacko conspiracy theorist. And it's no disrespect to Jesse Ventura, but that's just what it looks like. Kennedy doesn't need any more weights on that scale. And then you've got people like Aaron Rodgers. And I listened to the last Aaron Rodgers interview with Joe Rogan. I don't have a perspective like Aaron Rodgers is a dumb jock. He seems as intelligent as the next guy. Obviously he had some inclination, intuition around vaccines. And I think a lot of what Aaron Rodgers has talked about has proven out to be true around at least the COVID vaccine. And I like the fact that he had a strong opinion for himself. But I think there's just a stigma. Having a professional athlete, it almost is worse to have a professional athlete at the level of athleticism and success that Aaron Rodgers is, sort of delegitimizes again the campaign. It'd be like having LeBron James as your running mate or Serena Williams as your running mate or Wayne Gretzky as your running mate. I'm not saying there aren't Wayne Gretzky, I just went back a few years, but it's just what I pulled out. I'm not saying that there aren't some professional athletes who couldn't be fantastic politicians. There have been. One guy comes to mind right now. I think he played at Princeton, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but it doesn't really matter. The point is Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have gotten Kennedy over the finish line. Tulsi Gabbard doesn't get you anywhere. She came out and basically said something along the lines of she was offered the position and she turned it down or they were discussing it and she was the one who said no to the second date. At least that was my understanding in the way that the independent news or alternative media reported it. But Tulsi Gabbard doesn't get you anywhere. Tulsi Gabbard might get you a few more Republican voters who were already on the fence anyway and just didn't want to vote for Trump, but it doesn't get you anywhere. The guy who was my pick, that I think if you were going to design a vice presidential candidate that was perfect for Bobby Kennedy Jr., you had to have somebody who was taken seriously by the business community, you had to have somebody who people adored, you had to have somebody who was not perceived as politically oriented, blue or red, left or right, you had to have somebody who was a powerful leader, you had to have somebody who had a significant following and could bring five to ten million new voters over to Bobby because that's what he needs in order to win this election. Somebody who if the media attacked would make it even more obvious that the media was biased and captured. And that's Tony Robbins. I think Tony Robbins, I get the chills when I even think about it. I was like, and I told my wife this, long before there was any shortlist, I said, you know, Kennedy's been playing it so right, you know what the mic drop would be? If he named Tony Robbins as his vice president pick. That would be the whole two-party system just went boom. And it adds so much legitimacy, right? Having somebody not only say, I endorse Kennedy, but I'm going to run on his ticket of the caliber of Tony Robbins, like that is an absolute game changer. My understanding was that for a period of time, Tony was a yes and Tony could not end up doing it because, I don't know, I guess it was about eight years ago, Tony sold his company to private equity and he's got a contract to deliver on a certain number of events in order to generate a certain amount of revenue in the model that he pursued with private equity, which I believe was an employee stock option program where he sold a chunk of his company to his employees and a chunk of his company to private equity and he took down a chunk of money. And as a result of that, he couldn't do it. He would have defaulted on his agreement. And so Tony was out. And that's where I talk about, you know, I was speaking to somebody who was a part of the campaign who expressed a lot of disappointment around that. And I said, man, that's not a thing we can control. All of these are chess pieces that move based on the consciousness of where we're at, right? You know, all the result of this election and how slowly or quickly the old system disintegrates and the new system emerges is directly correlated to how slowly or quickly we process the unprocessed trauma of the last thousands of years that are held in the neural networks of our brains, in our nervous systems that are representing themselves through sideways expressed emotions like anger and jealousy and comparing and indecision and feeling less than and anxiety and depression. Some of those things are due to, you know, environmental toxins. But all of these things that show unintelligent thinking that still resides inside of us, the external world is just an indication of that. So you know, the fact that Tony Robbins coincidentally couldn't run as Kennedy's vice presidential pick, it's not a coincidence. It's either time or it's not. So Bobby went with Nicole Shanahan and pretty much all of us went, who, what? Like it came out about a week before. And I remember just thinking, oh man, Tom, this isn't it. Like go pick Rand Paul. Go pick somebody who, you know, it's tough. I think about who else you could have picked that could have bridged the voter gap that you needed. And I've been open-minded. Like, okay, Nicole Shanahan. Kennedy came out and said, you know, I remember actually at that dinner that I was at with him that I hosted with 40 people in a private mansion in Austin, Texas. If you want to hear the takeaways from that interview, look back about five or six episodes. My conversation with him for two and a half hours, he didn't reveal at that time who the vice presidential candidate was, but he said, you know, America's just going to fall in love with him. And I was like, okay, let's date. Let me fall in love with you. And so I started looking to see what I could hear, YouTube is my platform, about Nicole Shanahan. And the only thing I could find was a Rick Rubin interview that went live about two days after the announcement. And it was clearly recorded prior to the announcement. And Rick Rubin is asking her questions about her involvement in the Kennedy campaign. You know, it's clear that they may know that she's going to be announced or they held off on it. The interview is about two hours long. I think I consumed about 45 minutes of it. And she shares her story as, you know, what I experienced as a mother, a fierce mother, a mother who cares about her daughter. Her daughter had autism. The story that she tells is absolutely heartbreaking. That I think it was around 12, 16, 18 months into the life of her daughter that basically she described it, the light in my daughter went out. And you know, I have a 20 year old, a 20 month old son now at the time of this recording. And I cannot imagine what that would be like to have a goo goo goggling active baby who's growing and learning and seeing the world and all of a sudden stop speaking, stops engaging. And as Shanahan describes the light in her little daughter, when it's, it's devastating. And it is one of the reasons why, regardless of who we have in office, regardless of whether you think autism or ADHD or any of these developmental disorders are due to vaccinations or not, we have to figure this out. We have to figure out why one in, I think it's four boys now, one in four, one in five boys has autism. Why one in 34 children have autism. And that's setting aside all of the other developmental disorders of the childhood allergies that have just exploded since, since the late eighties. And we have to figure this out. But so she's telling the story and she's talking about restoring science. And I really like, you know, I, I like how she talks about and how she's comfortable with talking about how the scientific model has been manipulated and how we have to get back to real science and how she's been actively involved in working with and funding and collaborating with very, very, very smart people in Silicon Valley. You know, say what you want about the progressive left or Silicon Valley or internet platforms, smart people who are now really trying to figure out what is this? Because what, you know, what she described is they're, they're treating this as a behavioral disorder, but it's not, it's a medical condition. And so she went into a lot of detail around that. If you're interested in it or if you have someone, you know, that you care about or you love or someone in your family who, who has autism or another childhood developmental disorder, I do recommend listening to that interview with Rick Rubin, because she talks about a lot of the medical doctors and the alternative medical doctors who are doing great work in this area. And up until 12 days ago, that was the only interview with Nicole Shanahan. And so that was shocking to me. Since then, there's been an interview that's been published on, and I'm looking down at my notes if you're, if you're watching on YouTube right now, because it's a lot of information. I don't have all this memorized. But she also appeared 12 days ago at the time of this recording, which was around April 12th, on The Illusion of Consensus with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. That's probably how you say his last name, at least close. And I've seen this guy before. He's a professor of medicine, Stanford, had a lot of opinions on vaccines, and, but this is a channel with 335 subscribers and three videos.three videos so I don't know maybe the guys got the world's biggest podcast and you can comment below and let me know that I'm just not you know as aware as I should be if I'm gonna record and talk about something but I don't know I don't know how you go almost a month over a month now and there's no interviews with the vice presidential candidate nobody knows anything about other than the illusion of consensus podcast or YouTube show with 335 subscribers three videos so you know what a lot of people have a lot of questions and I think strategically if you're going to name Nicole Shanahan your vice presidential candidate you you got to have a plan for the post announced and you know maybe there was a plan maybe there is a plan maybe there's some great plan and I'm gonna look back on this episode and be embarrassed that I even recorded it you know one of the things that I've realized in having some proximity to the Kennedy campaign and also some of the stuff that came out around the Trump campaign like they were talking about when when Trump won he was like in a room with five other people and he didn't expect to win at that time and like there isn't a machine of people sitting around you it's not like a fortune 5000 company trying to elect get you elected as president I mean there is a machine at some level you know you look at the Clinton campaign and some of the behind-the-scenes that we've been able to see about how they ran their campaign people call it a machine but even then honestly it's amateur hour like you know I haven't announced this on the podcast but my intention is to run for president 2032 it has been my intention since 2015 I'll do a different episode and share that story but by the time I run for president it will be a machine it will be the same way I treat a bit a venture-backed business vent I mean you're talking about you know putting tens to hundreds to billion plus dollars to work like you're you're basically a 24 month you know venture startup and you have to treat it that and but that's not how these campaigns are treated you know believe it or not it's it's it's kind of amateur hour in terms of getting somebody into office and most of the people who are running for for political office they're not entrepreneurs they've never built businesses they're not CEOs they've never built big systems or processes and again I don't I don't know take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt right like part of this is me giving you my opinion I also recognize that you know there's a lot of information out there that I don't have access to and this is one of those times where I'm sharing outside of my area of authoritative expertise around mindset personal growth metaphysics first principles behavioral psychology neurobiology that's my jam combined with business so I could be totally wrong here but you know Kennedy was an attorney and you know we work with attorneys attorneys are not entrepreneurs attorneys are not building machine that go out and execute and produce you know returns on investment and very specific outcomes like the machine of Google or the machine of Tesla or the machine of face or the machine of Amazon and so like these these these political expeditions they're they're fairly amateur and so I wouldn't be surprised even though I'm surprised if there was no post announcement plan that anticipated the questions that people would have in the feedback that people would have and that would deal with those objections immediately see that's what we do in marketing right in marketing we we we know the proposition that we're going to make which is the product right or the promise or the announcement and then we anticipate what the objections are that people are going to have and then because we're anticipating it we design objection handlers that actually use the objections to our advantage to further the sale and I believe that's what should have happened here with the Nicole Shanahan and now and so let's take a look at some of the objections and let's talk about objection handlers and let's hope if you're actually wanting to see Kennedy in office as the president and Shanahan is the vice president that these folks start to deal with some of these objections in a more appropriate way or powerful way number one she seems to appear as part of the progressive left right let me get a sip of my tea my chamomile tea if you look at at some of her resume on paper she seems like she's part of the progressive left right so she first she's married to this guy what's his name I think it's Jeremy Krantz I can't even read my own chicken scratch right he was an investor out in San Francisco she marries him they get divorced then she marries Sergey Brin right who is one of the founders of Google and you think of you think of those guys as sort of the front row of the world economic right I'm not saying they're all evil but I'm just saying that you know there's the Zuckerberg's the Brins the Larry Pages the Eric Schmitz you know all these guys not even having looked at okay so what is the political activism or what is the sort of that where does Sergey Brin like put his money what initiatives does he support it just feels like you're talking about the VIP section of the World Economic Forum and it's like everything that Bobby stands against right it's like internet platforms internet control collusion with the government collusion with the media creating an agenda moving the world in a direction that the rest of us are not interested in going in and it's like oh this is his ex-wife they obviously had some things in common granted there was a divorce but that that doesn't make the orthodox Bobby Kennedy supporter very comfortable and it certainly is gonna bring up a lot of questions or hesitance or resistance from the Bobby Kennedy swing voters so you got to address it you got to come out right out of the gates get her on an interview where someone is even if you set it up someone is asking put her on my show I'll ask her the question she can know that it's coming and then you come with a reasonable response and Kennedy gave a reasonable response I'm going to share that response with you here in a second but I want to kind of double click on this apparently right she was she was a supporter of many people so she took many of the millions that she made you know as an attorney as someone who had a legal tech startup she sold her legal tech startup to a competitor then she marries Sergey Brin they get divorced she gets some sort of alimony she's supposedly got a lot of dough so she starts financing a lot of different things cool things go back and listen to that Rick Rubin interview like you know fertility studies and women funding an understanding of why children are experiencing this chronic disease epidemic the noble things to be funding to be clear she also funds George Gascogne in LA okay she funds the Clintons well this starts to raise some eyebrows George Gascogne apparently and I'm not an expert was there there are a group of district attorneys and mayors and local politicians who kind of jumped on this bandwagon of defund the police and this defund the police thing many people believe is responsible for effectively the destruction of some of the greatest cities in America you look at Los Angeles right now you know I got a lot of people are moving out I went back to LA recently the homeless problem is just explosive you know there there are the iconic Starbucks in the middle of West Hollywood gone because they got tired of people coming in there and smashing windows retail stores tired of people stealing having you know local laws like in San Francisco or Portland where you basically you can steal up to a thousand or two thousand dollars of stuff without even getting you know pulled into the police station or been being given a misdemeanor because the police are being defunded and a lot of this people believe is being promoted by George Soros George Soros who's a multi-billionaire runs the Open Society Foundation was notorious for trying to short the British pound had a kind of a famous interview where he showed no remorse for being a Jew who turned over Jews during the Holocaust and kind of laughed about it who's who's referred to himself as being a god or a demigod doesn't seem like the nicest guy I've said in other episodes he really feels like a modern-day penguin in Gotham City and and some people believe that he's turning some of the greatest cities in America into Gotham and so he's supporting George Gascogne she's supporting George Gascogne so on my prior videos people are like I'm not voting for Kennedy anymore because Shanahan is a George Soros lackey now that's kind of putting a lot of things right that that that's like saying that you know because Donald Trump went to a Packers game and I went to a Packers game I support Donald Trump like there's some correlation there that doesn't make sense you know because Nicole Shanahan supported someone that George Soros supported doesn't connect her to George Soros now there are some legitimate questions that should be asked like hey why were you supporting defund the police initiatives because now we might be able to see or say that wasn't such a good idea now Kennedy was on Fox and Friends a couple of weeks ago and and at the end of like a 16-minute interview they did with him he kind of popcorn addressed some of these and I really liked what he said he said listen you'd have to ask Nicole that but you know we were all part of different orthodoxies that a lot of us woke up to during COVID like we believed in certain systems and structures that we found out weren't the systems and structures that they were representing themselves to be and so we changed our minds and so she was very passionate about the prison problem which Kennedy doesn't talk about but effectively that we've got a for-profit prison system and as a result of that there's corporate capture of our judiciary and our legislative system as a result of for-profit prison lobbying and so you know we're locking people up in prison and not giving them proper rehabilitation in order to create a revolving door for the prisons and in a lot of ways it would be much less expensive for us as taxpayers because we're the ones paying these prisons through the federal government it would be it would be less expensive to simply educate rehabilitate you know get get prison you know criminals quote-unquote or reformed criminals or people who committed crimes back up on their feet but we don't do that because it's more profitable for the prison system so they've created a way to increase their customer lifetime value it's a very smart marketing so she didn't like that she was aware of that problem and she thought that part of solving that problem was to defund the police and according to Kennedy she realized she was wrong and Kennedy says she was even part of the recall in San Francisco of the defund the police guy now I don't know what that means because he didn't really elaborate I tried to look it up who's the defund the police guy and the recall in San Francisco but what he's basically saying is she changed her mind well that's fine but first of all that can't be a side dish conversation around Kennedy's existing talking points that we've all heard we've all heard the other talking points and we're in agreement that's why we're supporting him he needs to lead in with let me talk to you about Nicole Shanahan ask me all the questions you have any of the concerns you have and that's that's what he should be talking about for the first month or two after she gets elected as president and she's got to start getting on shows and addressing these questions herself the fact that she doesn't leaves this open loop and that's gonna deter existing enthusiasts for Bobby Kennedy and certainly anybody who is on the swing so I think this is a mishandle I mean I would have had her scheduled for the top 10 podcasts out there that she could be on and I would have said we want you asking these questions the what seemingly are difficult questions but that allow her now to speak into the orthodoxy that we're all trying to wake up to it would be such a great objection hand she could say I want you to think about something that you believed in that turned out to be false maybe it was this maybe it was that right maybe it was trusting your pediatrician maybe it was trusting the CDC maybe it was you know trusting your president or trusting your government you know maybe it was trusting what you were told about a war maybe it was trusting your your your news station whether it was CNN or MSNBC or Fox News man I mean she could just platform their platform as an objection hand that's number one cross it off number two can she be VP so you know Kennedy was asked this question and he's usually great with his answer and you would think someone internally would listen to how he's handling now like I would think there'd be someone dedicated to the campaign like me who's listening to it through the lens of marketing through the lens of voter objection who's listening to every single answer he's giving every single question and saying hey we need to fine-tune this right reiterate reiterate reiterate reiterate until we nail it and you'd even do some like smaller market smaller audience shows at the beginning to kind of test the response before you go do it on the big show can she be VP right who is the guy Cuomo's brother who was the the guy on the news I forget his name he's got his own kind of independent media show now so they have him on can she be VP I mean number one she's 37 years old 38 years old that's a concern to people does she have enough experience you know okay she was an attorney okay but like is this a is this a woman who if she needs to be president of the United States can be president of the United States because by the way you know you think about well when might she have to step in to be president of the United States if something happens to the president what could something happen to this president I mean this is like the elephant in the room right not only is this president the perfect candidate if if anyone was gonna still assassinate a president and Bobby Kennedy became president like this is this is the textbook for it and he comes from a family that's been systematically murdered right arguably even the handsome one that went down in an airplane so comes from a family that's been systematically murdered it's on everyone's mind you have to be able to answer the question can she be present what does Bobby say I think she's got a higher IQ than anybody out there all right not a good answer not a good answer unless you find out that most voters are basing whether or not they believe a vice president can be president of the United States based on someone's intelligence quotient if that's how we're basing our decision around whether or not somebody the litmus right of whether someone can become president great answer I mean I haven't looked at the research but I can tell you right now that's not the answer it's not the answer so you've got to have a better answer and then he goes on with his fantastic talking points that he's very good at that we already understand which is why we were we were gonna vote right so you know it's it's something that has to be handled and it's not being handled like I said she's not on any other interviews right now so we can't even evaluate her intelligent quotient even if we believed in that we can't fall in love with her we can't understand how does she handle tough questions how does she handle tough situations you've got to prep her before you announce her as vice president you would think she'd have a coach right somebody who can coach her on speaking someone who can coach her on the personality that she needs to adopt or needs to represent who can tease those aspects of her out of her who can identify her limiting beliefs and her self doubts and help her through those so that can she can show up in the full expression of this fierce intelligent resilient you know almost battle-worn but feminine representing you know women and children you know mother protector who can handle the job if she needs to because we all know a woman most of you men if you're in a relationship and you're listening to this right now you know your woman could do it it's like if your family needed your wife to take over the family she could do the job and so I'm not saying that Nicole Shanahan can't do the job I'm saying you have to show people that she can do the job right and that hasn't been done yet the third thing on my list and there were really only these three but I think they're huge is hey did you pick her for the money question has to be answered because it seems that way so you've got to build the case like hey we would look these are all the people that we went and considered for vice president these are the 200 300 people here were the challenges people that where we were ideologically aligned people who would would bring us enough voters people whatever your criteria is and by the way if you can't explain your criteria then you didn't have a good criteria right if you can't explain it or you won't explain it you didn't have a good criteria so shame on you yeah the vice presidential pick is important I think it's the swing pick for this whole election at least in the case of Bobby Kennedy and so you got to explain why'd you pick her right and what about the money help us understand why it wasn't this person why it wasn't this person why it wasn't this person why it wasn't this person now Bobby's super smart when I was asking him questions and not just smart he's spiritually connected he's in the zone he's he's he's surrendered a great deal of himself over to a power grader that's the work he's done in recovery you know I asked him some questions he has some two or three word answers you can go listen to that first episode that I published around my private dinner with Bobby Kennedy jr. he said some powerful shit during that interview that like there was no response to and there's no way you could expect he said an explanation to what's going on in the world and when he didn't know the answer he didn't know the end and so I'm sure well I'm not so sure anymore I would think based on most of what I've seen that Bobby would be able to answer these questions or he'd say like hey I here's why I don't feel as a presidential candidate that I need to come out and explain to my my voters who my other considerations were and why I picked Shanahan over them okay fine but but people are gonna want to know that you got to say something you have to address that objection or you ain't gonna get the sale you can't get the vote and so did you do it for the money you know and I even think you can have a sideways objection handler else you know where you can say look we're all doing it for the right I'm investing a tremendous amount of my own money in the campaign right Nicole has invested a lot of her money in the campaign through my super PAC and now she's able to directly do that right it's a unique situation that now that she's actually part of my ticket she can invest an unlimited amount of her own money directly into campaign and we control it for those of you who don't know that that's true and it's a huge advantage right Trump wanted to spend his own money he could now I don't know how much Trump's own money he spent he's very good at spending other people's money on the shit that he wants right and I don't know how much money you know you know Biden had or how much he's even willing to pull out of the secret stashes that exist here and there or on a variety of laptops floating around the world but you know Kennedy could have said like we yes we are all investing our own we have to because of the way they've locked down this two-party system there's no way an independent candidate or candidacy or ticket like us can win without investing our own money and so that was part of the consideration but it was a small part of it here's the rest of the considerate and make the case so I still think there's a lot of opportunity I still think there's time but I think time is running out I think the longer you go and by the way if you've seen some other interviews where he like masterfully handles these objections and addresses these questions and you're watching on YouTube versus your favorite podcast platform right now drop me some links I'll check it out I'm all in support of this ticket I also want to just not be like everyone else's being which is non-critical or non not able to give any type of constructive feedback around the group that they support when the group that they support does something right or does something wrong or does something that you know you don't agree with you don't have to agree with everything that your candidate does in order to support them that's part of the problem and I talked about this in the last episode two episodes ago where I talked about how we can't even have conversations anymore it's like we treat politics like sports teams like our team can do no wrong and we can't do that so that's why I wanted you know I thought about it quite a bit like do I really want to publish this episode is it valuable for other people am I doing it out of ego am I doing it just for eyeballs on my YouTube channel like what's my motivation I reached out to the Kennedy team with all this feed fairly high up I said hey I'll make myself available to to serve in any of these capacities coach Nicole to look at questions to provide feedback you know haven't heard anything back and I'm not holding my breath but I'm hoping someone from the campaign sees this I'm hoping you see this because you know maybe you were someone who's like she's a soros lackey and you're like oh I didn't realize she changed her and that can get you back on track with what you know you authentically want to support and it just allows us to be contemplative in a healthy way of everything that we're observing out because I think you know whether you're red whether you're blue whether you're independent whether you're a Democrat whether you're Republican you know whether you're independent or you're libertarian or whatever it is really there's there's not that much that separates all of us other than ego you know when when ego gets involved then we get really passionate about these what I think are side dish issues as important as they are for people that separate us but the main issues we can tend to all agree on now some people are still waking up to propaganda of media to the corporate capture of some of our major industries to the influence of the military-industrial complex to you know the the need for election reform and the way lobbying works some people just aren't hip to that right so it's like there's nothing we could do about them but we can do about us and and what we do about us is we we we set our egos aside and we don't take things personally we have healthy conversations and we look at things in critical instructive ways and I hope that's what you got out of this episode if you did I encourage you to just share this with somebody else who is wants to be a healthy part of this conversation if you haven't yet subscribed check out some of my other episodes both on Bobby and other really important kind of root cause most important matters issues and I think you're being here today and hopefully I'll see you in the step.