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Why is Wild Style required viewing for hip-hop fans? (With Andrew "DJ ARM 18" McIntosh)
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Hip Hop Movie Club and Andrew "DJ ARM 18" McIntosh discuss last week's magical ArtsQuest event celebrating Wild Style at SteelStacks in Bethlehem PA . It was a blessing to be in the building for this action-packed night that featured:

  • a screening of Wild Style (1982)
  • a panel discussion with director Charlie Ahearn, Grandmaster Caz of the Cold Crush Brothers, and GrandMixer DXT
  • a DJ set by DXT
  • a performance by the Cold Crush

Topics discussed:

  • Bringing Wild Style to ArtsQuest
  • The cultural significance of Wild Style
  • Comparison with Beat Street and Breakin'
  • The impact of Cold Crush Brothers
  • Has the Cold Crush received their flowers?
  • Upcoming events

Also check out:

Our original episodes on Wild Style, Beat Street, and Breakin'.

The Hip Hop Years and VH-1's NY77: The Coolest Year in Hell

Hip Hop Movie Club will be back with ARM at SteelStacks to host a screening of Juice on February 28 (and Krush Groove in March).

Check out ARM's 50 Years Down the Line site for more events, including "Fresh Dressed Like a Million Bucks" on February 24 and a conversation with Chuck D of Public Enemy on April 16.

Credits

Hip Hop Movie Club is produced by your HHMCs JB, BooGie, and DynoWright. Theme music by BooGie. Follow @hiphopmovieclub on Instagram!

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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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50 episodes ago, we here at the Hip Hop

Movie Club reviewed the first ever hip hop

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film, Wild Style.

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And last week, the Hip Hop Movie Club

received a blessing that was completely

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inconceivable when we reviewed this film

nearly two years ago.

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We met the director Charlie Ahearn, Grand

Mixer DXT, and the Cold Crush Brothers at

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a special screening, panel discussion, and

performance at ArtsQuest.

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Bethlehem PA.

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Coming up, we have the man responsible for

bringing this event to life, Andrew

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McIntosh, aka DJ ARM 18.

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We're three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm DynoWright, filmmaker, longtime

hip-hop fan, and I can't believe I dapped

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up Grand Mixer DXT the man who turntabled

on Herbie Hancock's "Rockit".

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long

time hip hop fan, and I'm equal parts

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fresh fly wild and bold.

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Yes, I can attest to that.

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I'm BooGie, a DJ, long time hip hop head.

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And I wish that every night was like the

one we were about to talk about.

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Today on the show, ARM will tell us why

Wild Style is required viewing for all

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hip-hop fans and we'll give you five more

takeaways from this important film and

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screening.

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How this event came to be, the cultural

significance of Wild Style, how it

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compares with Beat Street and Breakin',

the impact of the Cold Crush Brothers, and

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whether the Cold Crush truly got its

flowers.

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All right, so welcome ARM 18, Andrew

McIntosh.

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Thank you so much for bringing this

special event to the masses, at least to

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Lehigh Valley.

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And first question I have for you, why

were you inspired to bring Charlie and the

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Cold Crush Brothers to ArtsQuest?

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What inspired you?

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There's actually a long backstory to this,

and I'll try to be as concise as possible.

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I was very fortunate in coming up in the

90s to have run with some heads that came

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from the city who were graffiti writers

themselves, and they were fellow college

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students of mine.

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They go by JERE from DMS out of Queens and

the late Chase from ST7 Staten Island.

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and they put together something called the

Raw Arts Symposium.

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And this was a weekend long event, I would

say 96 this happened.

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And it was an incredible sort of mixing

and matching of bringing graffiti artists

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up to the Bard College campus in upstate

New York, where we had REVS, COST, Lady

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Pink, and another artist I can't quite

remember.

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and they kicked it off with a party.

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Like, right, we did a party out in the

middle of the woods, highly illegal or

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whatever, and I was DJing it, it was

great.

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And then the next day, the artists came

and they did installations, they did live

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installations, right, of their graffiti

art while I was DJing.

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And so the campus is like coming down to,

it's like this watch party of graffiti

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being happening.

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And then it was followed up with like this

long panel in one of our auditoriums where

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they talked to the graffiti artists about

their work.

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And then of course there was a party.

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Like it was like, I did three parties in

like 24 hours.

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It was like, I loved it.

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And then I think the final day there was a

showing of Wild Style, right?

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That was like the end.

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Cause like my man Chase Malcolm said to

me, like when I showed up at Bard as a

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freshman, he was like,

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Have you ever seen Wild Style?

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And I was like, I've heard of it.

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And he was like, you haven't seen it?

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I was like, no.

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And he was like, he said, it's a rite of

passage, B.

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Like you just got, you gotta see it.

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And that phrase, rite of passage always

stuck with me.

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And so when I finally got my hand on a VHS

copy and I was blown away by it, I kept

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rewinding the scenes with Grandmaster

Flash over and over again, cause I was

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learning.

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It was the first time I could really watch

a DJ cut a record.

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But that's when Wild Style was sort of was

injected into me.

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And I've always kept the Raw Arts

Symposium like in the back of my mind is

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like, I wanna do something like that.

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That was an incredible weekend of

celebration, of art being made, like, you

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know, real time.

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And then also just this, you know, taking

in and showing of Wild Style.

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And so that's where it got its start.

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you know, many, many moons ago.

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And I got this opportunity this, this year

in the celebrating a 50 years of hip hop

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at Northampton Community College in

Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, to put on a

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variety of events.

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And this is, this is one of the key, like,

you know, uh, key events that we're doing

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this year.

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We did, worked with a lot of regional

artists in the fall.

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Uh, BooGie came to one in Stroudsburg PA,

like, you know, we've, we've had, uh, and

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also in Bethlehem, right?

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Uh, we've had a lot of good work with

local graffiti artists, local DJs, local

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rappers, entrepreneurs, et cetera.

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But the Wild Style kicking off 2024, you

know, the showing of Wild Style at steel

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stacks in Bethlehem, PA, that was going to

be our first big signature event.

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And so I was like, how do we, you know, we

got to get Charlie there.

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How can we get Charlie there?

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Uh, I was fortunate to have a friend from

Bard who has worked with Charlie on

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in some of his other movies who put me in

touch with him.

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And I kind of had in the back of my mind,

Charlie was gonna be the key that opens

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doors.

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I had met him at Cornell University of 10

years ago at the 30th anniversary of Wild

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Style.

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And I saw how all the performers and

artists from that movie, Charlie's their

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dude.

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Like that they'll ride for him, you know.

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They have a lot of respect and love for

him because he put them on and gave them

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this opportunity.

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And so once I secured Charlie, I then

started calling around to artists and

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said, listen, I'm working with Charlie

Ahearn and he's coming out.

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Like, are you willing to come out?

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And we've got Cold Crush.

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And I would say, I want to be clear, like

Cold Crush was, they were down and

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enthusiastic from day one.

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Like once I got a hold of them and, and

their manager, Cora Brown, a big shout to

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her.

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She was at different times.

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It was like, Andrew, you sound so nervous.

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This is going to work out just because

it's okay.

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And she really held my hand.

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through a lot of the planning and

organization and contacting people, and

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then finally acquiring GrandMixer DXT as

well, to be a DJ component, you know, and

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represented at the event.

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So that's from soup to nuts, from the

first time I experienced Wild Style to

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what we experienced this last weekend,

that's how it all came together.

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It's an amazing backstory.

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backstory.

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Nice.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, and it was a smashing success.

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I was telling these guys, I was like, man,

this event deserves mass media.

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So we'll be the media right now to try to

bring it a little bit out to the masses

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because it did get picked up by Rock the

Bells Instagram.

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You saw that Rock the Bells had some

footage that they obtained and put it out

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there.

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They have one point one million followers.

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That's amazing.

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So.

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It's big time.

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Yeah, I love how Rock the Bells supports

artists like Cold Crush.

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You know, that's crucial.

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It's amazing, yeah.

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And actually I was at the Rock the Bells

Festival in Queens in the summer and

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Grandmaster Caz and Cold Crush were one of

the opening acts.

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He had that jacket all blinged out from

Rock the Bells at the event if you saw him

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afterwards.

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So next question I have is, and you kind

of touched upon this a little bit, but

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what is the cultural significance of the

movie Wild Style?

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You know, in addition to it being like

every, you know, B-boys rite of passage, I

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would say the thing that I believe was

discussed during the panel discussion,

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what I would say in my classroom is that

what you're seeing in Wild Style is the

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moment.

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It's a fictional movie, but everybody

who's playing a part in that movie was

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down with the hip hop scene since day one.

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So what you're seeing is the moment in

which

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In my mind, I'll say the old school became

the new school where hip hop moved from

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uptown to downtown.

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The whole movie, if you think about it, if

you think about Zoro and the character of

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Zoro, imagine Zoro representing not just

graffiti, but all of hip hop.

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Zoro represents like the whole struggle

these performers and artists are having

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with, wait, I've got opportunity on one

hand, but then there's keeping it real on

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the other.

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How can I, how do I manage these things?

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How can I make some money but not get

ripped off, right?

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How can I do my art but it still have

integrity?

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And that's a huge question for hip hop at

that moment, right?

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And all that energy is in Wild Style, like

that tension in my mind of like, this is

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no longer just a folksy grassroots, you

know, rough around the edges, like you

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have to be there.

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musical performance movement, it's about

to blow up.

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Right.

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And that's what Wild Style captures.

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It's just that, that it's like, it's, it's

like when a bomb drops and it's like

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silent and then it like blows, like it's

like that moment and everybody who's in

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it, they were there.

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There's no Hollywood actors, et cetera.

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So they're getting a platform to sort of

replicate and showcase what they did in

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the Bronx for 10 years.

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right there for you on screen.

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You know what's funny is it's so well

ahead of its time.

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I put it out there and you see that the

riches that could come from it, like they

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had the car, the limo, they got the

ladies, the party lifestyle.

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And it's like, wow, fast forward and then

look at all the music videos that we've

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seen in the past couple of decades.

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And that just got amplified exponentially.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, it's an interesting thing,

right?

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We witnessed a little bit of in the Q&A

between, you know, Caz and DXT and Charlie

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and myself, a little bit of the tension

that exists in the purpose of hip hop,

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right?

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Like what is it, you know, is it for a

party or is it to speak upon why hip hop

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is the way that it is, right?

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Like hip hop is the way that it is because

it's coming from these, you know, from a

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particular community.

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The Bronx was...

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utterly abandoned in the 1960s and 70s and

was a shelled out like, you know, war zone

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in the way that there was virtually no

civil services and arson was rampant and

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et cetera.

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And out of this comes these kids making a

name for themselves, right?

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And so there's this great story of

triumph, but there's also this opportunity

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to talk about the grant, like great

inequities that exist in our society.

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And I think what we saw a little bit

between DXT and Caz was like,

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Well, are we here to celebrate Wild Style

or are we here to like, you know, really

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kind of break it down, you know?

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And it was me as an educator, I thought

that was wonderful because we as an

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audience got to witness, well, hip hop's

both of those things.

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It doesn't have to be an either or, you

know?

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Right?

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And so it was kind of a key moment.

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You're absolutely right, JB.

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It's like...

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Wild Style embodies all the elements of a

party and a good time that we know hip hop

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to be about and to celebrate, but it's

also, it doesn't turn away from the fact

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that the Bronx was utterly dangerous place

to live and to dwell and to try to create

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this art.

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Yeah, there was a stick-up scene and

everything.

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It was dangerous.

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Next question I had was, if you could do

us a favor, compare Wild Style with some

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of the other more popular hip-hop-themed

movies that would soon follow, such as

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Beat Street and Breakin'.

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Yeah, I mean, listen, as a kid living out

in Pennsylvania, I saw Beat Street and

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Breakin' like long before Wild Style,

right, because why?

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They had the distribute, you know, what I

understand now is they had the

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distribution, they had the Hollywood

reach, et cetera.

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And those movies have a certain virtue in

their own right, but they are, they sort

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of take a look at the template that Wild

Style provided, and they essentially

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appropriate it, you know?

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I would argue that Beat Street's a little

more effective than Breakin', you know?

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And once you get to Breakin 2, Electric

Boogaloo, it's like, you know, it's

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laughable.

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It's more just entertainment, if anything.

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It seems pretty removed from the whole

thing that hip hop is about.

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But Beat Street, you know, it's a similar

story, right?

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trying to make a name for themselves, et

cetera.

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The difference is, it's just, at different

times, unless it's the Rock Steady Crew in

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it, like a lot of the party scenes are mad

stiff and like, you know what I mean?

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They're very, it's obviously scripted and

maybe a little bit better acted.

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But at times it comes off in my mind as

contrived.

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Those movies come off in a way that isn't.

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feels wholly authentic, you know?

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Yeah, definitely you see the Hollywood

sheen on Beat Street and Breakin' for

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sure.

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Whereas Wild Style is raw, uncut.

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Some of those rap scenes go on for like

15, 20 minutes in Wild Style.

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And I'm just loving it.

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And it's just like, you're at a concert.

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It literally puts you, puts you there.

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Yeah.

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Straight lyrics, no hook.

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Hahaha

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So we had the great pleasure to meet the

Cold Crush Brothers, thanks to you.

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And how much credit do you feel the Cold

Crush Brothers deserve as hip hop

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trailblazers?

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Um, you know, it's not just me.

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I mean, earlier, I think within the last

hour on January 30th here, uh, DJ Doo Wop,

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right?

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Um, uh, great mixtape king at, uh, out of

New York in the:

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A lot of greatest rappers of all time.

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Oh, their entire careers to Grandmaster

Caz, you know, and I'm like, Wow.

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Okay.

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I guess we're vibing the same way right

now.

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Me and Wop like you, you are, you're

correct.

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JB, like the, the Cold Crush as a, as a

unit and then

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and then Caz is their leader.

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I was talking to their manager and I'm

like, you know what, people talk about

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raising the bar and it's Cold Crush.

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They are the bar.

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You know what I mean?

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That's what you need to aim for.

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I think what we witnessed in person, in my

mind, that is so extraordinary is four

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individuals with a DJ Ultimate, their DJ,

who

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you know, stands in for Tony Tone, their

original DJ, they are, are rapping in

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unison for 30 plus minutes.

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I mean, there's, there's not one

microphone feedback.

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There's not one missed line.

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There's not one like pause where they're

able to exchange verses or rap or sing in

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unison while a DJ is cutting up the beat

or dropping the beat.

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You know, there's no, there's no DAT.

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There's no pre-programmed.

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It's just five individuals who have these

routines, you know, or you could sit here

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and say, well, it's been 40 years.

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Of course it's mastered.

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But if you go back and listen to tapes,

they're on YouTube.

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They were rhyming like that back in the

day.

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They, they practice that hard back in the

day.

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They invented rap.

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Like there was rapping before this.

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This is what I always try to say in my

classroom.

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Like Isaac Hayes rapped, you know, James

Brown rapped King heroin, like.

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Millie Jackson rapped, like all sorts of

people rapped and rhymed.

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That was that's a part of the

African-American, you know, expression,

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right, like preach, you know, Black

preachers.

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They're basically rapping from the pulpit.

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But what Cold Crush did and, you know,

people like Melle Mel and the Furious Five

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and others.

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But what Caz and them did was they were

like, you know what?

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Rapping is not just like a novelty.

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It's not a joke.

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It's not like a game.

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Like I'm a performer.

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Right.

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And you see how they modeled themselves

after Motown groups, right?

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You got the - Yeah.

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Right.

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I knew it.

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I was going, I was going there.

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When I saw that in person, like the way

that they're playing off each other, like

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the Temptations, like the Four Tops, and

I'm like, oh my God, I get it now.

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I get it because that makes sense because

that's who they grew up on.

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That's who they grew up on.

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And they're like, you know, we're going to

be that, but the hip hop version of it.

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So that's, that's to me, you know, the,

the real legacy of the Cold Crush

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brothers, they're one of the, you know,

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I don't know what the exact number is.

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I'm gonna say a dozen, okay?

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Like give or take, give or take a couple,

but of groups that have just set the

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standard of what rap, like what rapping

could be as a musical, like art form, you

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know?

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And they made it out a whole cloth.

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Nothing, you know, it didn't exist before

then.

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It's amazing in that regard.

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And then let's, I didn't get a chance to

say it in the, in the panel.

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I would like to say it here.

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Grandmaster Caz is the author of the

number one, the first rap commercial hit,

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Rapper's Delight, Sugarhill Gang.

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And you could go find video of Caz talking

about it.

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The Hip Hop Years is one of the

documentaries where he comes out and

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explains what happened.

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I won't go into it here, but he didn't get

that credit when it happened.

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So, Sugarhill Gang drops Rapper's Delight

and they become a household name, but

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those are Caz's rhymes.

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So the record that helped hip hop music

cross over throughout the United States

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and throughout the world, that's

Grandmaster Caz, you know?

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And I think that's another big piece of

his legacy.

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That was huge.

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I had heard a lot of that story.

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So yeah, I definitely was aware of that.

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So that being said, you know,

unfortunately these guys, they never

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really got that record deal and they

talked about that at the panel.

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Now in your opinion, do you feel that the

Cold Crush Brothers have sufficiently

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received their flowers yet for their

contributions to hip hop?

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In I do I do you know, but I think that's

a part of the work that I was trying to do

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was that Okay, you go on Sirius XM radio

and Caz is on there, right?

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You you can't you can't look at many

documentaries that are about the

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development of the culture and Cold Crush

and Caz aren't referenced Or interviewed

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like Caz is a great interview, right?

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So he's in You know, he's in uh, I highly

recommend uh VH-1's

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NY77: The Year from Hell, which is about

the year:

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Caz is all in that and you get to hear

about how he started as a DJ before he

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became a performer.

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It's, it's great.

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And I do think that they've gotten a

certain amount of acknowledgement, right.

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But that said, that's why we do the events

we do out in Eastern PA, because I'm going

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to assume there were a lot of people there

that was watching Wild Style for the first

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time.

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That was their first rite of passage.

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That was, you know,

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They'd never seen a group like Cold Crush

perform in person.

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And so I think they, as long as our

legends are here, they should get that

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platform.

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We should be supporting them where we can.

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So Andrew, I think those are all the key

questions that we had regarding the event.

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We definitely want to thank you again for

bringing it to Lehigh Valley and to the

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masses.

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It was an awesome celebration of original,

authentic hip hop between the movie Wild

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Style, having Charlie Ahern there and

Grandmaster Caz and the Cold Crush

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Brothers and Grand Mixer DXT.

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We are eternally grateful for this

opportunity.

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So thank you so much.

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Well, word up, thank you for saying so.

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And, you know, I feel like it's, I mean

this when I say being introduced to you

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all as the Hip Hop Movie Club and watching

your passion and energy, the time you're

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putting into hip hop movies, awoken in me

like, yes, like these movies, we need

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that, you know, let's give them the

platform.

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Let's discuss them.

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Let's break it down.

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This is, we need to do this.

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And so, you know, that-

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The work you're doing with the podcast is

a point of reference for me.

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I just keep at it, keep doing it, I'm

loving it.

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Yeah, I might just watch Just Wright.

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Maybe, maybe.

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When you told me the basketball scenes

aren't like, they're mid, I don't know,

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I'm like.

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Ha ha

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We give you the five takeaways, that's a

new thing.

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We give you the five takeaways, and but

hey-

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a, that's a, that's a, that's, that's

helpful to us, for us.

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If you like rom-coms and you don't mind

predictability, like we said, go for it.

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You don't expect an Oscar award

performance, but you will see legends.

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You'll see Queen Latifah, you'll see

Common, and if you're a NBA fan, you'll

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see some cameos from some folks that were

pretty big time as well, like Dwayne Wade

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and Dwight Howard, et cetera.

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So yeah, if you want to do some

stargazing.

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your next event coming up.

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Oh, we're, well, we, you know, which one,

which one DynoWright?

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Cause we're working on something and I

know you guys will be talking about it,

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but I'm looking forward to working with

you, you all to present Juice and Krush

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Groove at SteelStacks in Bethlehem, PA.

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In continuation of our celebration of 50

years of hip hop history and culture,

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Northampton Community College is putting

on an event in South Bethlehem.

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with taste smokers, which you guys are

pretty familiar with now, right?

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Where there are two fashion designers in

the Lehigh Valley who will be showcasing

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two Black American fashion designers

showcasing their materials.

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In February, in March, I'll be connecting

with the author, Shanita Hubbard, and

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talking about Black feminism within hip

hop culture and how to be a Black feminist

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and love hip hop at the same time.

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Is that possible?

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that conversation in downtown Bethlehem.

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And then our other signature event is our

keynote speaker, Chuck D of Public Enemy.

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On Tuesday, April 16th, we'll be coming to

Northampton Community College's Bethlehem

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campus for a chat like we're having right

now about the history of hip hop and the

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history of Public Enemy.

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And it should be good.

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All these events are free.

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You can get your tickets, check out the

website.

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50yearsdowntheline.com.

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You'll find links to reserve your tickets

there.

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So by all means, come through.

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We will put these links out on our

platforms for everyone to know about.

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Thank you guys.

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I appreciate the opportunity to connect

with you.

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I love these conversations.

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It was a pleasure.

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Yep, as do we.

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Alright.

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Hip-Hop Movie Club is produced by your

HHMC's JB, BooGie, and DynoWright.

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Theme music by BooGie.

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In addition to all that, we've got a bunch

e events in the first half of:

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coming up.

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You can learn more at our website,

hiphopmovieclub.com.

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Come hang with us, especially at those

events in Bethlehem.

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Thanks, Andrew.

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All right, I'll check you guys out later.

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Talk to you soon, peace.

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