In this episode of “Shooting It Straight,” hosts Randy Black and Jim Clayton dive into the theme of resilience with special guest Dr. Brad Miller, host of the “Cancer and Comedy” podcast. Brad shares his inspiring journey of overcoming prostate cancer through humor, faith, and his ACTS plan—Action, Connect, Think, and Serve. The conversation explores the power of laughter in adversity, the importance of maintaining a positive mindset, and the role of spirituality and community in healing. Brad’s story is a testament to the strength found in embracing life’s challenges with grace and humor.

Listeners are treated to a heartfelt discussion on the importance of staying connected with loved ones, maintaining physical and mental health, and finding purpose beyond oneself. Jim shares his own battle with stage four colon cancer, highlighting the significance of having a strategic plan and a supportive network. The episode concludes with Brad offering a free audio course on his ACTS plan, encouraging listeners to find hope and humor in their own journeys (https://cancerandcomedy.com/free). This episode is a powerful reminder that resilience is not just about enduring hardships but thriving through them with a smile.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Bam son!

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Coach Jim Clayton: This is Shoot It Straight, the podcast where life blessings don't come sugar-coated

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Coach Jim Clayton: And excuses get bitched.

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I'm Randy Black, podcast guy, professional question asker, and apparently the only one here who doesn't yell pam, son, in public.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well we're working on that, Randy.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm Jim Clayton, coach, mentor, motivator.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And the guy who still thinks a whistle may be the best motivational tool known to man.

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Each week, we're taking what Jim's learned from the court: the drills, the discipline, the drive, and translating it into real-world success.

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Coach Jim Clayton: That's right.

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Coach Jim Clayton: This ain't just about basketball.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's about showing up when life press is full court.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's about pushing through when the clock's ticking down.

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If you're looking for fluff, well, you might just want to ride the bench.

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Coach Jim Clayton: We're here to help you believe bigger, achieve louder, and move.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So buckle up and whatever you do, keep shooting it straight.

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Bam son.

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Welcome back to shooting it straight.

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I'm Randy Black, joined by my co-host, Jim Clayton.

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And today we are continuing our look.

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into one of the toughest but most powerful skills we can develop, and that's resilience.

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And who better to talk us through that than a man who literally laughed his way through cancer, doctor Brad Miller, the host of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast.

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Brad is a retired pastor, a transformational leadership coach, and the host, as I said, of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast.

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After being diagnosed with prostate cancer, Brad turned to humor, faith, and connection to navigate his healing journey.

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He now helps others cope with adversity through what he calls his Axe Plan.

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That's action, connect, think, and serve.

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And he's been recognized for blending deep wisdom with light-hearted laughter to uplift those in the thick of life's toughest situations.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Red, we want to welcome you to the show.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Hey, gentlemen.

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Dr. Brad Miller: What an honor with the legend Jim Clayton and Randy Black.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Thank you guys.

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Coach Jim Clayton: We we are pumped to hear your words of wisdom, especially me.

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Coach Jim Clayton: because I don't know if you know this, but I'm kind of battling stage four colon cancer as we speak.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And well I understood a little bit about that and uh man I'm with you so uh if I can be helpful I want to be

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Coach Jim Clayton: Oh yeah, you will be.

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Coach Jim Clayton: This this September will be going on three years.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Things are going well.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, been some ups and downs.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Uh but I'm a like I said, I'm a deep faith guy

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm a motivational person.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm a coach.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I train athletes.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So, you know, I've always, you know, preached this to people about, you know, setbacks in life.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know

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Coach Jim Clayton: Speaking of the setback, the greater the chance to make a beautiful comeback.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's kind of where we are, and that's what we're doing.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I am so pumped

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well, we are pumped to hear your wisdom and things because when I go to the hospital, you know, I see people that are just down in the dumps.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Sure.

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Coach Jim Clayton: They just have

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Coach Jim Clayton: you know, there's no they have no energy around 'em.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So it's like it's just been totally zapped from their system.

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Coach Jim Clayton: They just look and you know, you just sit I just sit down and talk to 'em, say, Hey, how's it going?

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, it's just and and all of a sudden, man, just a little bit of positive vibes.

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Coach Jim Clayton: little bit of inspiration in your voice.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, they start to their eyes light up a little bit.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I just know they're not around that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I wish, you know, that I could be

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Coach Jim Clayton: around all those people all the time, you know, because they do get pumped up and they do feel better.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And, you know, I'm just excited to learn new things because, you know, li learning is a lifelong skill

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I can't wait to be able to hear some of the stuff you're going to share and input it what next time I end up at the hospital, you know, with these patients.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So we're just super excited, man.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I I I can't say it enough and words probably can't describe it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: But we're pumped, my friend.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well, Jim, what an inspirational story you just shared about how when you go to the hospital or go to some treatment

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Dr. Brad Miller: how you are speaking into people's lives.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I know as a coach and as a leader, as an educator, and I know that uh Randy is an educator as well, you are speaking into people's lives.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Young people's wives, it might be young athletes, it might be students, it might be people in the hospital, whatever, but you've chosen

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Dr. Brad Miller: to have an attitude of gratitude, chosen to have attitude to speak into people, not to speak down to people, or not to be dragged down what I like to call the malaise of mediocrity, where you just kind of get stuck

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Dr. Brad Miller: and drugged down by the misery other people have.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Don't do that.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Just battle against that, push against that, push through all the negativity.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And be resilient and push back and bounce back.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I love the one of your earlier episodes where you're talking about bouncing back.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I love that, man.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I like just like the basketball bounces.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta bounce back, man.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So however I can serve you guys is what I want to do.

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Awesome.

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So before we jump in and and kind of get a little bit of the backstory of your resilience and what you've been able to do, I do have a question for you, Brad.

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Sure.

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What's one thing that made you laugh this week?

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Dr. Brad Miller: One thing that made me laugh this week is a rubber chicken that I have right on my desk right near me here.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And it makes me laugh almost every day because uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: It just literally says uh my granddaughters gave it to me and it is can you hear it there?

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Dr. Brad Miller: It just uh it says squeeze me for emotional support and my granddaughters gave it to me

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Dr. Brad Miller: in my uh cancer journey.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so it just makes me light up every time I see it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I've got a picture of my grand of my three kids and my great two granddaughters maybe as well.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Those things light me up.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I laugh almost every day when I see this stupid little rubber chicken uh right here at my desk where it I where I uh where I spent a lot of my time at.

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That's awesome.

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Not not where I expected you to go, but that's awesome.

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I love that.

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So

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You you've described laughter as your first reaction to getting that cancer diagnosis.

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So

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Yeah.

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How did that and you know, my dad recently has has gone through prostate cancer.

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Uh he he they caught his very, very early

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And he did radiation treatments and on his checkup after three months of finished treatments, there's no detection of it at all.

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So, you know, I'm I'm Thank God for that.

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Exactly.

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I I thank the Lord every day for that.

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But, you know, with yours, you know, was it I believe it was stage four.

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It was very advanced.

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Dr. Brad Miller: No, it wasn't quite that bad, but it was but it was bad enough.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Um

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Dr. Brad Miller: Uh I'll just give you the short version of a long story, but basically I uh I retired three years ago after 43 years of ministry and a month or so after just literally

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Dr. Brad Miller: you know, I retired almost exactly three years ago, July of twenty two.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And then August of twenty two I got flagged with my first kind of test saying, Oh, you gotta

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Dr. Brad Miller: crawl here and we need to run a bunch of batteries to test and uh you know PSA accounts and all this kind of stuff what to have to do with your prostate.

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Dr. Brad Miller: We're out of whack.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And uh went through a battery of tests for several months and all this time, just not looking too good, but I finally got the final call from my doc, the urologist.

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh two days after Christmas and my immediate saying, okay, you've got it, and it's bad, it's life threatening.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It wasn't stage four, but it was

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Dr. Brad Miller: It was uh uh far enough along that it basically the doc said, uh if you don't do something about this, Brad, you got uh you know, you're looking at two or three years.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And uh and so that got me my and my initial reaction

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Dr. Brad Miller: was kind of a chuckle and kind of a laugh out loud, just kind of laugh, it's kind of a just one of a just a a laugh of disbelief because I re my really immediately kind of went to

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Dr. Brad Miller: kind of a laugh to keep from crying was the thing that I had in my mind.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so I just handed the phone off to my wife and sh when she went from from there and

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I kinda immediately we kinda became like Cleopatra, the queen of denial.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I just kinda kinda went off of my own little world there for

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Dr. Brad Miller: a while.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so that was my initial reaction.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The laugh, keep of crying, was not so much funny.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It was a coping mechanism.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Right.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That there was a denial thing.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so then I had to move on from there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so you can stay stuck in your denial, you can stay stuck in your rejection of reality, uh, or you can move on.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so I

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh, not too long after that, had an experience which led me towards, okay, you gotta suck it up, Brad.

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is a real reality.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta deal with it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You cannot stay stuck.

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Dr. Brad Miller: in your denial.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I think unfortunately that's where a lot of people will remain uh kind of stuck and they get in that downward spiral and it's hard to get out of it.

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That was yeah, when when Jim and I in our one one of our episodes where we talked about and I talked about my dad's situation and I told him that it was

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It was that metaphorical slap in the face that my mom gave him and said, Why are you so down?

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Get up.

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We can treat this.

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Let's go.

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And it changed his whole perspective because it was literally was like a, like a slap in the face.

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Hey, wake up.

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Um and it was it was a tremendous situation for him in that once they started the process, he stayed so positive through all of it.

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He went to his appointment to for them to check his PSA level and some other things.

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And when he walked in, he told the doctor, it's gonna be gone.

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I know it's gone.

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And like his his level had gone to zero.

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Like there was no detection of anything

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Dr. Brad Miller: So your your dad had a uh good uh uh good advocate and his wife there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And uh I had the same thing.

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Dr. Brad Miller: My

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Dr. Brad Miller: wife, uh this is right after Christmas time and so basically said, you know, we got Christmas activities to do with

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Dr. Brad Miller: family and friends and grandkids and the whole bed, and we're gonna do 'em.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You're not gonna stay in this funk.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You're gonna get out of it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: We're gonna get out and do things.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so um

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Dr. Brad Miller: Though one of the things we had to do just a day or two after I got the diagnosis is we had kind of our uh our grand to have two granddaughters at that time they were of uh five and two.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And uh uh and then so we had our grand grandpa grandpa's day out with uh the two grandkids for just kind of our

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Dr. Brad Miller: kind of annual thing we do around Christmas time and so my my daughter and her husband can go do something else and then uh so we got together with them and uh we uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: did kind of the, you know, the the the arcade and the bowling and all that kind of stuff.

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Dr. Brad Miller: We of course we landed at uh our granddaughter's favorite place, McDonald's.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And to do do the Happy Meal thing

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I wasn't feeling too happy meal like.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I'd been kind of in a funk the whole day, kinda going through the the motions.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And and uh but we're getting happy meals and it's you know, and it's the chicken nuggets and the fries and

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Dr. Brad Miller: Christmas music is playing and people are, you know, Christmas decorations the whole bit around there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I'm in this mood, like not wanting to be there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And then I had uh you know, I just had what

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh Jim and Randy, I should say just kind of just kind of this moment where it just changed everything uh for me.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Something I said or did, I'm not sure what it was, but it set my two granddaughters off giggling.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And if you ever see two little girls have a giggle f giggle fit

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's what they had.

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Dr. Brad Miller: They had a giggle fit where they were just laughing and giggling everything I've said and then or or whatever was going on there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I was just having kind of fun with you know f fun with French fries, I guess you might call it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: But anyhow, we were and they were giggling, laughing, and that started me laughing a little bit and basically everybody in the old old restaurant was go laughing and giggling at these two little crazy little girls and one of my d my older granddaughter uh just said, You're my fun grandpa

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Dr. Brad Miller: No.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And then and then so you know what, guys, I had a moment right then.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I had a really incredible, I'll just say, just a just a magical moment there of transformation.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Because of that moment when she said, You're my fun grandpa, I knew that what I had been going into that time, well, I'd been the grumpy old man grandpa.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, I'd been, you know, kind of not the happy grandpa

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Dr. Brad Miller: And then I also had this moment of kind of seeing these two little girls, four and two at the or five and two at the time, and I kinda had this vision then right there in that booth at McDonalds of them as around uh twenty one and eighteen and

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Dr. Brad Miller: doing things like graduating high school, getting married, whatever they do as young women.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And it said, you know, man, I'm gonna be there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I'm gonna be there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You don't want to be there.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I'm not going to miss that.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's kind of what turned me around.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so I said right then and there, Jim and Randy, okay, get off your rear end, Miller, and get with it and do whatever it takes.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Whatever it takes to make keep your connected, to be the fun grandpa to these two little girls, and to be a good person to other people, to my wife included, because I had been the best husband to her in this

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Dr. Brad Miller: funk time I was in and uh other people in my life and to lean into it and do everything I can with my physical health, my mental health, my emotional, my spiritual well-being, my relationships

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I'm going to do everything I can to live life to the fullest, whether it's a few weeks or a few years.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But I knew in my mind it was going to be 20 years.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Because at least because I'm going to be there for weddings and graduations and whatnot for my uh granddaughters, anyone else's in my life down the road.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I believe it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so far, so good.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I ended up having surgery a while a few months later and doing a lot better now.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So awesome.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's awesome.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's awesome.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Let me ask you this, Brad.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, I remember where, you know, everybody says you remember where you were when certain things happened.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Remember what day it was, remember what time it was when you get that that dreaded call that nobody wants, okay?

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, I got mine on a Friday of all days, okay

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Coach Jim Clayton: And, you know, they told me that and I said, Well, okay, what are we going to do about it?

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Coach Jim Clayton: So a friend of mine who had battled throat cancer, I didn't know he had it actually

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Coach Jim Clayton: He had gone through it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So I called him up and and f f so funny was about a week before that my house had b I got got flooded.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So he stopped by and gave me some food and all kinds of stuff.

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Coach Jim Clayton: We just started talking and then finally he told me, says, You know, I don't know where you know this, but you know, I had throat cancer.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I was in bad shape for a while.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I said, No, I didn't know that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And so the following Friday I got diagnosed with with cancer.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And um I called him up and I said, Well, cut I said, Greg, I said

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Coach Jim Clayton: You're not gonna believe us.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Are you sitting down?

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Coach Jim Clayton: He said, Yep.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, Well, remember last week we were talking about your cancer?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well, I just went and had a cold and ostomy and my seventh one

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Coach Jim Clayton: And uh they told me I had a stage four colon gas.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He goes, You gotta be kidding me.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He said, no.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He said, well here's what we're gonna do.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He's a coach, Division I coach.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He says, you gotta get the facts.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He said, you gotta get all the facts.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I said, he said, that's going to take you a couple weeks.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, all right.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And he said, then you're going to get a game plan with your doctors, you meet with your doctors, everything.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And then you're gonna execute the plan, just like you do in a coach in a game.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Just like a team.

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Coach Jim Clayton: That's what you're gonna do.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I said, you know, in a game

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Coach Jim Clayton: There's highs and lows.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's a game of, you know, adjustments.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And, you know, in this journey, he said, you're going to have to make some adjustments

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Coach Jim Clayton: And he says, You won't know it till it happens, but I guarantee it's gonna happen.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, Well, hey, I I don't know anything about this journey.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I know the journey of coaching a game and what it takes to make those adjustments and and win the game at certain times.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And uh

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Coach Jim Clayton: And he said, that's how it's going to play out.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know what the funny thing is?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Been three going on three years.

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Coach Jim Clayton: That's exactly how it's played out

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Coach Jim Clayton: Exactly.

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Coach Jim Clayton: To this day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Still getting facts.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Still changing the game plan a little bit.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Still executing it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And believing that what you're doing is going to work.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, that's the biggest thing.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, I I heard you talking about that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, funny thing is like you talk about the chicken

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Coach Jim Clayton: the rubber chicken.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well and and and my thing, I have a pump that I have to take home with me after treatment for like a couple days.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well I nicknamed it Peppy the Pump

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Coach Jim Clayton: So I got two granddaughters too, one's six, one's four.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So they were right in that two, five, four racious, you know, when I started this journey.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And he goes, well, you gonna get Peppy?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Can I see Peppy?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, here's Peppy back here.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Can I touch it?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, yeah, go ahead and touch it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He touched it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He goes, oh man

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, they go, I see I see it's a little ball.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You see the ball, they go, and they say, Well does it bounce?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, Not that I know of.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I don't really think I'm gonna try that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: But uh I mean so we turned it into Peppy the Pump.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I said, he says, is Peppy gone?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said he's gone for a couple weeks.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He goes And so that's kinda

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know how I used it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I I like the rubber chicken thing, you know, and Well you gotta gotta find your humor where you can, I think, you know, even for right now it might

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Dr. Brad Miller: The surgery I had was pretty serious and to remove my prostate and there was, you know, lots of but they did it anthroscopically, which means they put, you know, all these tubes in your belly.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so

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Dr. Brad Miller: Long story short, it resulted with I've got scars on my belly, so I've got about four or five puncture scars on my

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Dr. Brad Miller: belly area.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So I just couldn't run with my my granddaughters now.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I say, hey, you want to see grandpa's five belly buttons?

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so I told my you know, here I pull up my shirt a little bit and show my belly button and four other scars.

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Dr. Brad Miller: They c they yeah, th they kinda think it's funny.

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Dr. Brad Miller: My daughter and wife think it's kinda gross, but hey, what are you gonna do?

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Dr. Brad Miller: But uh you know, it's just kind of the fun thing we have with them and

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah, but sometimes I say, hey grandpa, can we see your five belly buttons?

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so, hey, you have fun, whatever.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It just kind of take take a a a s in this case

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Dr. Brad Miller: a s literal scar and turn it into a star something that is yeah something that nice that that's a good thing man I like that scar to a star that's nice that's the smallest things you know the smallest things they call me pop pop

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Coach Jim Clayton: So every time we come over there is they're there almost every day in the summer 'cause they're not in school and uh and stuff.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So we have, you know, my my thing with them is when I'm hanging out with them every day

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Coach Jim Clayton: uh it gets your mind off of it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: What's your th what what what the problem is.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, people ask me, well, why do you still go to the gym?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Why do you keep teaching these kids this stuff?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, because when I pull in that that that parking lot and I get out the car and I come in the gym

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Coach Jim Clayton: Everything that that is bothering me, I leave it in the parking lot.

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Dr. Brad Miller: There you go.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, our goal was to add value to people, not only add value to people, but also when you're adding value to people, coaching them, making them better, like what we're doing right now

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, it makes you feel better.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It helps you.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah, you gotta have something bigger than yourself to live for and that something bigger of yourself, whether it's your grandchildren for

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Dr. Brad Miller: for you, Jim, and myself, or whether it's your students, you know, uh Randy and Jim and myself, uh, the people I work with uh on my podcast and things like that now.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah, serving other people is a part of what it's all about.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And you start with the people in your life who are close to you and you go on from there kind of a concentric circle or like throwing a pebble into a pond.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You start there and it ripples out

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Dr. Brad Miller: And why can't you get the start of the ripple?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Why can't you be the pebble in the pond and get it started?

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Dr. Brad Miller: And that's what I try to do.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that and that's exactly what I try to do every day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I mean, every day because it's really not about me, it's not about you, it's about what can we do to help others better.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I mean that's kinda how my motto is on it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And uh, you know, it's it's uh that's how I I attack it every day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Every day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: That's my game plan.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So when I go to sleep at night and I put my head on a pillow

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, I I don't have to worry about what happened.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm I I've had a great day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's satisfaction.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, it's and and you know, like I said, it's it's turns your life

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Coach Jim Clayton: In in a whole nother direction, you know?

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Dr. Brad Miller: And that's over what I call the eye problem.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh, absolutely.

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Dr. Brad Miller: you know, not your eye sight or whatever, the eye problem and turn it into an us or a we thing.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I even break down the eye problem in kind of in the uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh I identify the eye problem.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It I put this in the book I wrote r recently.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The eye problem has to do with when you have something like prostate cancer, you start to think all kinds of the bad things that go along with it, the side effects and

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Dr. Brad Miller: all the other stuff came with it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So I came up with these four things that I think are part of the I problem I'll share with you guys here real quick here because you need to focus on yourself.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The first I

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Dr. Brad Miller: and the eye problem is is is insanity when you first get a diagnosis.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's just you it's confusing.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It disorients you.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's like you get hit in the head or

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, if prostrate cancer is like getting hitting the groin, you know, it's uh, you know, it's it really knocks you off your game as confusion.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so that

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Dr. Brad Miller: get you out of whack that way.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That that's the first eye.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The second eye is what happens is and I call it incontinence.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And incontinence is what happens to you when you have prostate cancer.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You don't have control anymore and you lose control.

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Dr. Brad Miller: If you lose control of, you know, your ph of your body, your urine, and everything else like that.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's not the best situation to be in life.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You don't want to be wearing adult diapers, none of that kind of stuff goes along with my life plan.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But it's the loss of control that got me into it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You understand what I'm saying, fellas?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh yeah.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You lose control

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Dr. Brad Miller: Then that's goals that goes to ego, it goes to my masculinity, all kinds of stuff.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So that's the second I

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Dr. Brad Miller: The third eye is the one that's really, when you think about with prostate cancer, which is impotence, but impotence is not just your sexual function, it's about the lack

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Dr. Brad Miller: loss of uh power in your life.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It could be loss of your physical strength, you know, it could be loss of anything that your lack of power

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Dr. Brad Miller: and proudness and so you lose that and you start to feel helpless and weak and that's not a good feeling.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And the and the the the fourth one is insolence, the high problem of insolence was you just kind of

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Dr. Brad Miller: mad at the world because of whatever things happened to you.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Because if you lose your power, you lose your control and you're confused all the time, you're not happy about it and therefore you become very selfish and self-centered.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So if you got an eye problem

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is what I had for a while, then you're either going to stay stuck in your eye problem or you're going to do something about it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I don't know.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Do you guys agree at all with my little analogy there about the eye problem?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Do you think that happens to people?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Hundred percent.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Oh my gosh, everything you just mentioned I've been through.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I mean I didn't know what I didn't l look at it like that, but everything you said, and you know, it's so funny because

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, when you're like my wife and my kids, they don't they don't understand.

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Coach Jim Clayton: They can't comprehend

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Coach Jim Clayton: what you're going through.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I really didn't know all the things I was going through until you just set those eyes.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And when I go home tonight, I'm going to tell you what, boy, I'm going to break that out

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Coach Jim Clayton: Oh, right on 'em and I'm gonna say, Hey, let me explain something to you.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I finally found out now why I am the way I am.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Why I am doing these things, because I'm gonna tell you maybe you will understand a little bit better

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Coach Jim Clayton: About why sometimes, you know, I just am a little temperamental at times about certain things because Mrs.

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Clayton is such a nice lady.

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I'm sure she's she's good with everything.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh, she's good.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But the thing is if you s if you stay stuck there, then you got a real problem, right?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Yeah, I'm not going to stay stuck there, but I didn't always know what the problem was.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: So it's yeah.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Identify identify the problem to do something about it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So that's the shock factor or the other factors that come into play when you deal something with something profound, like a major illness or

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Dr. Brad Miller: Like I c I could have described cancer as not only, you know, like I have prostate cancer and other people have lung cancer and you've got colon cancer.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But the the basic

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh uh uh physiological nature of cancer.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's uh basically the multiplication of cells that essentially eat you alive.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, that's really what's going on here.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But it's not only, fellas, if you agree with this

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's not only things like that can eat you alive, but other stuff can eat you alive.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh yes.

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Dr. Brad Miller: relationships.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It can be uh any number it could be, you know, like financial problems or losing a job or uh divorce.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Any number of things like that can eat you alive.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And if you let it to, you got to take control of it and no longer be absorbed in I.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You got to break the pattern to

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Dr. Brad Miller: do things for others.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And that's where I developed this thing that I call the ACTS uh process.

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I was I I wanna I want to throw this out there real quick before we dive into it completely.

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Jim and I recently on an episode talked about what he called his four pillars of resilience.

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And when you and I talked on the phone

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We talked, I mentioned that, you know, these things and it lines up so well with your axe uh your axe program, you know, the the your plan there.

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So real quick, just to review them, like our four pillars that Jim laid out were mental

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So positive thinking, having grit, having a growth mindset, the physical, so maintaining your health, keeping your energy up.

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Make sure you get the rest you need.

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Keep moving.

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Social, so having that connection with supportive people, people that have your back and it can help you with whatever you need.

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And then Jim's last one was spiritual.

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So a deeper purpose, having faith.

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having guiding values that keep you moving forward.

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And those fit in so well with that axed plan.

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So let's let's kind of break that down.

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Let's go through it a little bit.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well sure.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well the ACE PACT, I like to call it ACTS.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's an acronym and it's a really of response.

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Dr. Brad Miller: One of the reasons I want to mention to you about the I problem first was

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Dr. Brad Miller: the all parts of this acts pact are response to or antidote if you will or it's uh an action to the to this uh uh to the it

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Dr. Brad Miller: to the eye problem.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, like Jim when Jim, when you're playing a b uh pony in basketball, sometimes they don't do what you plan for them to do.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, th they they gotta

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Dr. Brad Miller: big guy they go to down low or whatever or or hot shooting guard, you gotta react to it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta deal with it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's what I tried to do here.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The axe pact works like this.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The A in the word axe is for action.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I believe you gotta get physical with this thing.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta keep moving.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's like if you fall off the bike, you gotta get back on the bike.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And that's me to me.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And that's uh that's like going to the doctor.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That is doing whatever you need to do in your physical health aspect, not just

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Dr. Brad Miller: crawling under the blanket and just saying, I'll let things happen to me.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I've got to get involved, get engaged, be assertive, be aggressive in things.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And to me, that's the response to the insanity part.

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Dr. Brad Miller: What's the insanity?

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's being disoriented.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's being confused.

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Dr. Brad Miller: When you keep moving, you've got to at least get your physical situation

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Dr. Brad Miller: going in the right direction.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You guys go along with that one?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Do you think that's a one step in this process here?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Hundred percent.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Hundred percent.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So that's the A is action.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You have to have an action bias

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Dr. Brad Miller: And the C in the word Axe A C T S is to connect.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I see two levels of connection.

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Dr. Brad Miller: One is the

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Dr. Brad Miller: emotional connection.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's your wife, uh, there, Jim.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's your grandchildren, that's your family, your friends.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Hey, I know that Jim, you had Randy got this kind of connection where you have uh connected with one another.

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is your

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Dr. Brad Miller: relationships.

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is the emotional uh connection that that that that you have.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And the drawing then and then you can also extend that as well.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Uh we tried to do that in the Cancer and Comedy podcast by creating a community there

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Dr. Brad Miller: But reaching out to people and sometimes there's people you mentioned about one of your friends who had uh had throat cancer or something like that, you start to connect in those kinds of ways as well.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So you got the physical or you got the emotional connection.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But you I the I believe you also have to have a spiritual connection.

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is between your maker and this is having something higher than yourself, uh between God or your understanding of of a higher power that is uh understanding that this comes into play as well.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And one of the key verses of scripture that came into play for me uh when I was dealing with this old deal was uh Proverbs 1722, which uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh says that uh a cheerful heart is good medicine and its response to a crushed spirit.

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Dr. Brad Miller: People have crushed spirits

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Dr. Brad Miller: But they need to understand that one of the aspects of a spiritual life is the cheerful heart is good medicine.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And I also like to point to 2 Timothy 1 7, which is not about not being

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Dr. Brad Miller: says don't be timid but have a spirit but have the the gifts of power, love and self discipline.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so but that's so that's the your emotional connection and the spiritual connection.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You guys what do you think about that one?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Does that relate to you guys at all?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Exactly.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well, and the then the T in the word acts, this goes to the coach and you there, Jim.

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Dr. Brad Miller: This is about thinking strategically.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's when things don't go right with you.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And uh, you know, by the way, that connection is a response to the loss of control that you have, but the thing strategically is a response to the loss of power.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You gain power when you leverage what you have, your resources that you have, whether it's your physical health, whether that your doctors, whether it's your family, friends, whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And you think strategically about what is the next step.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You're not necessarily going to go directly from your diagnosis to healing a year later or whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You're going to have to go do you gotta check on your diet, you gotta check on your exercise, you gotta keep going to work or whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And you got to do strategically, you develop the habits, the processes, the uh the uh application of everything that you learned and apply it to your life and then adjust accordingly.

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Dr. Brad Miller: What do you guys think about that one?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Think strategically and act strategically.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh, I love the strategy.

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It's a great way to respond to the losing that control.

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Strategy.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Man, I like that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Because things aren't always going to go right

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's right.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But you but if you have a process then you can get through it.

Randy Black: 00:30:36

Dr. Brad Miller: Plug it in.

Randy Black: 00:30:37

Dr. Brad Miller: You plug it in.

Randy Black: 00:30:38

Dr. Brad Miller: Plug it into the formula.

Randy Black: 00:30:39

Dr. Brad Miller: And then and then the S the S in the word uh

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Dr. Brad Miller: acts is to serve others with love.

Randy Black: 00:30:47

Dr. Brad Miller: But this is the emotional connection and this is the this is the response to the insolence.

Randy Black: 00:30:52

Dr. Brad Miller: If you're mad at the world, what are you really mad at?

Randy Black: 00:30:54

Dr. Brad Miller: You're mad at how the world, how circumstances have treated you.

Randy Black: 00:30:58

Dr. Brad Miller: But if you love other people, if you love life, if you love what you can serve others out of your sir out of your circumstances, then

Randy Black: 00:31:07

Dr. Brad Miller: Your whole outlook changes then.

Randy Black: 00:31:10

Dr. Brad Miller: Yes.

Randy Black: 00:31:10

Dr. Brad Miller: And that's what it's really all about, to serve others with love, to respond.

Randy Black: 00:31:14

Dr. Brad Miller: And that's an outward focus.

Randy Black: 00:31:15

Dr. Brad Miller: You can't be inward focused.

Randy Black: 00:31:17

Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta you can't serve others by being inwardly focused.

Randy Black: 00:31:21

Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's where when I started the Cancer Comedy Podcast, it was part of my effort.

Randy Black: 00:31:25

Dr. Brad Miller: to reach out to people who are impacted by cancer and give them a bit of hope and humor.

Randy Black: 00:31:30

Dr. Brad Miller: And that's what you guys are doing here with uh with with your with your podcast, shooting it straight.

Randy Black: 00:31:36

Dr. Brad Miller: Love the name, by the way.

Randy Black: 00:31:37

Dr. Brad Miller: But the uh how you're just giving life lessons and people and helping them to bounce back.

Randy Black: 00:31:42

Dr. Brad Miller: So way to go, guys.

Randy Black: 00:31:43

Dr. Brad Miller: But the what the that's the acts

Randy Black: 00:31:46

Dr. Brad Miller: uh plan and then we're gonna talk about the pact here in just a second.

Randy Black: 00:31:48

Dr. Brad Miller: But what give me your reaction to the to the plan here.

Randy Black: 00:31:52

Coach Jim Clayton: I love it.

Randy Black: 00:31:53

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean you just nailed every base right there.

Randy Black: 00:31:56

Coach Jim Clayton: You've hit every everything from

Randy Black: 00:31:58

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, the I love the physical part of things.

Randy Black: 00:32:01

Coach Jim Clayton: I like that because that's really important.

Randy Black: 00:32:03

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, you gotta keep moving.

Randy Black: 00:32:04

Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta take care of yourself.

Randy Black: 00:32:06

Coach Jim Clayton: Uh you gotta be engaged, you gotta be assertive.

Randy Black: 00:32:08

Coach Jim Clayton: You can't lay back

Randy Black: 00:32:09

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, the connection, the emotional connection.

Randy Black: 00:32:12

Coach Jim Clayton: That that's a big thing because sometimes when you start having those pity parties, you get that you get that you y you can't be pitiful and powerful at the same time.

Randy Black: 00:32:20

Coach Jim Clayton: Which one are you gonna be?

Randy Black: 00:32:22

Coach Jim Clayton: And we all have them, but what happens is you start to disconnect from, you know, your wife, kids, because they don't understand.

Randy Black: 00:32:30

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, they just don't understand.

Randy Black: 00:32:32

Coach Jim Clayton: I love the spiritual connection.

Randy Black: 00:32:33

Coach Jim Clayton: There's always a high power

Randy Black: 00:32:35

Coach Jim Clayton: Things happen for reasons.

Randy Black: 00:32:36

Coach Jim Clayton: We don't always know the reasons, but over time we'll figure it out, and there's no timetable on when you're going to figure it out

Randy Black: 00:32:43

Coach Jim Clayton: Uh just make sure you do.

Randy Black: 00:32:44

Coach Jim Clayton: And the strategy, I love the strategy.

Randy Black: 00:32:47

Coach Jim Clayton: That's a plan.

Randy Black: 00:32:48

Coach Jim Clayton: See, uh I say hope's not a plan.

Randy Black: 00:32:50

Coach Jim Clayton: I hope you get better, but that's not a plan.

Randy Black: 00:32:52

Coach Jim Clayton: Okay, you gotta have a strategic plan, step-by-step process that you go to.

Randy Black: 00:32:58

Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, everybody who whips this or is successful has done two things.

Randy Black: 00:33:02

Coach Jim Clayton: They've gone through the process and they paid the price.

Randy Black: 00:33:05

Coach Jim Clayton: If you're not willing to do those two things, you're not going to get where you need to be.

Randy Black: 00:33:08

Coach Jim Clayton: And then the part about serving others, that's it, man.

Randy Black: 00:33:11

Coach Jim Clayton: You got to love light.

Randy Black: 00:33:12

Coach Jim Clayton: You got to love other people

Randy Black: 00:33:14

Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, though I mean, like I said, I wr I write down everything everybody says.

Randy Black: 00:33:19

Coach Jim Clayton: And and I mean that's just the way I he he does.

Randy Black: 00:33:21

He's feverishly writing every word you say.

Randy Black: 00:33:23

Coach Jim Clayton: Uh oh, I'm on it.

Randy Black: 00:33:24

Coach Jim Clayton: You have got my brain buzzing

Randy Black: 00:33:26

Coach Jim Clayton: And uh in in in in a good way because these are things that I knew but I just never heard them explain that way.

Randy Black: 00:33:36

Coach Jim Clayton: And that's kind of what we're doing.

Randy Black: 00:33:37

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, we're just taking the stuff you hear every day.

Randy Black: 00:33:40

Coach Jim Clayton: And you go, Well I didn't look at it like that.

Randy Black: 00:33:44

Coach Jim Clayton: I'm glad you shared that.

Randy Black: 00:33:45

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean because I mean now I see why

Randy Black: 00:33:48

Coach Jim Clayton: Why?

Randy Black: 00:33:49

Coach Jim Clayton: Because nobody ever shares this with you.

Randy Black: 00:33:51

Coach Jim Clayton: Because they don't know.

Randy Black: 00:33:52

Coach Jim Clayton: And, you know, you can't do what you don't know.

Randy Black: 00:33:56

Coach Jim Clayton: And, you know, I just, and I love the thing about thinking.

Randy Black: 00:34:00

Coach Jim Clayton: Because I always say, you know, we talk about basketball shooting, dribbling, passing.

Randy Black: 00:34:04

Coach Jim Clayton: I said you're leaving out the most important skill, thinking.

Randy Black: 00:34:07

Coach Jim Clayton: And that is a skill.

Randy Black: 00:34:08

Coach Jim Clayton: And we don't talk about that, okay?

Randy Black: 00:34:10

Coach Jim Clayton: No thinketh, no doeth

Randy Black: 00:34:12

Coach Jim Clayton: And uh that controls everything.

Randy Black: 00:34:14

Coach Jim Clayton: That controls the whole stuff.

Randy Black: 00:34:16

Coach Jim Clayton: And like I said, now you're explaining it in a way

Randy Black: 00:34:20

Coach Jim Clayton: That's bringing it all into a boil.

Randy Black: 00:34:22

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean I see it all happen.

Randy Black: 00:34:24

Coach Jim Clayton: You're throwing this recipe, this ingredients in there

Randy Black: 00:34:27

Coach Jim Clayton: Now it's all coming now.

Randy Black: 00:34:29

Coach Jim Clayton: I see why I am, why I think the way I think, why I do the way I do, why things are happening and why people that are on this journey with me that don't have it, they can't understand what you're going through.

Randy Black: 00:34:41

Coach Jim Clayton: Yeah.

Randy Black: 00:34:42

Dr. Brad Miller: Well let me give you guys kind of the secret sauce there that give makes us all work because those are all great.

Randy Black: 00:34:47

Dr. Brad Miller: You mentioned the recipe.

Randy Black: 00:34:48

Dr. Brad Miller: I love that uh metaphor.

Randy Black: 00:34:50

Dr. Brad Miller: But the recipe doesn't work unless you turn up the heat a little bit or or cook whatever your dish is.

Randy Black: 00:34:57

Dr. Brad Miller: My metaphor's gone off a little off track here.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But I believe I call it the axe

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Dr. Brad Miller: packed PACT or commitment that you make to it.

Randy Black: 00:35:06

Dr. Brad Miller: You know, the covenant, if you will, that you make to it.

Randy Black: 00:35:09

Dr. Brad Miller: And just like uh you know, Jim, you've coached a lot of basketball teams.

Randy Black: 00:35:13

Dr. Brad Miller: If you've got uh, you know, uh uh five guys on the team and only two of them are really committed to winning the game, you've got a problem, don't you?

Randy Black: 00:35:21

Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta have you got a problem.

Randy Black: 00:35:22

Dr. Brad Miller: You gotta have

Randy Black: 00:35:23

Dr. Brad Miller: Everybody firing and a coach and everybody's got to be firing and be committed to winning, committed to teamwork, committed to this.

Randy Black: 00:35:30

Dr. Brad Miller: And I believe that you do that

Randy Black: 00:35:32

Dr. Brad Miller: When you kind of take these elements here and you make a covenant or commitment and you put it in writing or you put it in something or make a uh put it on a video or something where you

Randy Black: 00:35:41

Dr. Brad Miller: where you make it uh real for for you.

Randy Black: 00:35:43

Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's part of what I I teach.

Randy Black: 00:35:45

Dr. Brad Miller: I teach people how to take these elements here and to put 'em into a statement of faith.

Randy Black: 00:35:50

Dr. Brad Miller: You might want to call it.

Randy Black: 00:35:51

Dr. Brad Miller: I'm a retired pastor and a call a call to action or a statement of faith.

Randy Black: 00:35:55

Dr. Brad Miller: And so I wrote one for me a few months after I went through my cancer journey and I realized I have to have something that I commit to here to make this work because if you don't commit to it, when the days get tough

Randy Black: 00:36:07

Dr. Brad Miller: you're going to be tending to want to slack off and give up and I don't want to be that.

Randy Black: 00:36:11

Dr. Brad Miller: So I wrote something for myself and I teach people to do something s something similar.

Randy Black: 00:36:15

Dr. Brad Miller: Can I can I share with you guys my uh what I call my personal cancer question.

Randy Black: 00:36:19

Dr. Brad Miller: Oh yeah please please do.

Randy Black: 00:36:21

Dr. Brad Miller: So uh it this is just what I wrote for myself.

Randy Black: 00:36:24

Dr. Brad Miller: Uh not too just shortly before I actually had surgery to the take to um remove the cancer in my case is when I had surgery

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Dr. Brad Miller: I just simply uh wrote this.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I call it my cancer coping credo.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I will not let cancer define me.

Randy Black: 00:36:40

Dr. Brad Miller: I will leverage cancer to refine my life.

Randy Black: 00:36:43

Dr. Brad Miller: to the better in my relationships and to drive me forward in my remaining days to fulfill the mission of sharing a message of healing through hope and humor.

Randy Black: 00:36:52

Dr. Brad Miller: and teaching the biblical message that a cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.

Randy Black: 00:36:59

Dr. Brad Miller: So I that's my credo

Randy Black: 00:37:00

Dr. Brad Miller: I keep I read that every single day.

Randy Black: 00:37:03

Dr. Brad Miller: It's by my desk here.

Randy Black: 00:37:04

Dr. Brad Miller: I read it every single day.

Randy Black: 00:37:05

Dr. Brad Miller: And that's I believe people need to have something to hang on to.

Randy Black: 00:37:09

Dr. Brad Miller: Wouldn't it like that?

Randy Black: 00:37:10

Dr. Brad Miller: to do that so that you hang on to every day.

Randy Black: 00:37:13

Yeah that's that was power that's a powerful statement that was awesome to to illustrate, you know, this is my goal.

Randy Black: 00:37:19

This is what I'm going to do.

Randy Black: 00:37:20

These are this is how I'm going to make it through.

Randy Black: 00:37:22

That's amazing

Randy Black: 00:37:23

Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah, that's so that's what you gotta do.

Randy Black: 00:37:25

Dr. Brad Miller: And then and you do all that stuff and you just choose to uh one of the phrases uh we use on the cancer comedy show is you

Randy Black: 00:37:32

Dr. Brad Miller: Turn the grim into a grin.

Randy Black: 00:37:34

Dr. Brad Miller: That just means you just take the the grim of cancer or whatever bad's happened to you and you choose the grin is having a fulfilled life with a little bit of fun in it.

Randy Black: 00:37:43

Dr. Brad Miller: Trying to look for look for the funny, look for the things that bring you some pleasure in life.

Randy Black: 00:37:49

Dr. Brad Miller: It could be the here just where I'm sitting at right now.

Randy Black: 00:37:52

Dr. Brad Miller: We had a rain shower about 45 minutes ago

Randy Black: 00:37:55

Dr. Brad Miller: And it kind of cleaned the earth up and now it's bright and shiny.

Randy Black: 00:37:58

Dr. Brad Miller: Nice.

Randy Black: 00:37:59

Dr. Brad Miller: And it just feels good.

Randy Black: 00:38:00

Dr. Brad Miller: Refreshed, renewed.

Randy Black: 00:38:01

Dr. Brad Miller: Nice.

Randy Black: 00:38:02

Dr. Brad Miller: So that's kind of my take on life here, guys.

Randy Black: 00:38:04

Dr. Brad Miller: And then we so what we did then to live out those things is uh

Randy Black: 00:38:08

Dr. Brad Miller: I put together a podcast called the Cancer and Comedy Podcast, and we put together a short-term course and we do coaching and do other things like that to help people to cope.

Randy Black: 00:38:18

Dr. Brad Miller: with cancer with hope and humor and so that's what we do to try to be helpful to people.

Randy Black: 00:38:24

Coach Jim Clayton: That's fantastic.

Randy Black: 00:38:25

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean I I I wish everybody everybody I know that I see

Randy Black: 00:38:31

Coach Jim Clayton: When I go to the hospital, everybody.

Randy Black: 00:38:34

Coach Jim Clayton: Well everybody everybody it don't have to be the hospital.

Randy Black: 00:38:37

Coach Jim Clayton: It can be just in everybody in general

Randy Black: 00:38:41

Coach Jim Clayton: Really needs to hear this.

Randy Black: 00:38:43

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean, I hope when people hear this, they're gonna go crazy.

Randy Black: 00:38:46

Coach Jim Clayton: They'll start following you, you know, man, go listen to what you gotta say because

Randy Black: 00:38:50

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean, you have hit the nail on the head, my friend.

Randy Black: 00:38:53

Coach Jim Clayton: And I mean what you're saying is so needed to hear because again, it gives you that different perspective.

Randy Black: 00:39:02

Coach Jim Clayton: It gives you that sense of you use the word I love it, refreshed.

Randy Black: 00:39:06

Coach Jim Clayton: Because in this journey, sometimes you just feel sometimes a little stagnant.

Randy Black: 00:39:11

Coach Jim Clayton: You know, you need you need that refresher.

Randy Black: 00:39:14

Coach Jim Clayton: And um and and like I said, I I I the the one thing you said that just hit me right, I mean I boom, I started it, triple circled it

Randy Black: 00:39:23

Coach Jim Clayton: Cancer will not define me.

Randy Black: 00:39:27

Dr. Brad Miller: Yes.

Randy Black: 00:39:27

Coach Jim Clayton: That's what people it happens, it consumes them.

Randy Black: 00:39:31

Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah.

Randy Black: 00:39:31

Coach Jim Clayton: And that's the worst thing.

Randy Black: 00:39:33

Coach Jim Clayton: I mean, that's I think that's the worst thing.

Randy Black: 00:39:35

Coach Jim Clayton: I see them, they look pitiful.

Randy Black: 00:39:37

Coach Jim Clayton: You just look at their I mean you look at it man, their body language is just like step out of it, big daddy.

Randy Black: 00:39:43

Coach Jim Clayton: Come on.

Randy Black: 00:39:44

Coach Jim Clayton: Uh you here, aren't you?

Randy Black: 00:39:45

Coach Jim Clayton: You're breathing, aren't you?

Randy Black: 00:39:46

Coach Jim Clayton: Yeah.

Randy Black: 00:39:47

Coach Jim Clayton: Okay, then it's not that bad of a day.

Randy Black: 00:39:49

Coach Jim Clayton: Okay, you got the two most important gifts.

Randy Black: 00:39:52

Coach Jim Clayton: that you could ever get.

Randy Black: 00:39:53

Coach Jim Clayton: You open both eyes.

Randy Black: 00:39:54

Coach Jim Clayton: That means you're here.

Randy Black: 00:39:55

Coach Jim Clayton: Okay?

Randy Black: 00:39:56

Coach Jim Clayton: And you gotta take advantage of that.

Randy Black: 00:39:58

Dr. Brad Miller: And you know I call those guys the grumpy old men.

Randy Black: 00:40:02

Dr. Brad Miller: for for for that matter and try to choose then and go right back to what my granddaughter said to me.

Randy Black: 00:40:08

Dr. Brad Miller: You're my fun grandpa.

Randy Black: 00:40:09

Dr. Brad Miller: I want to be the fun grandpa.

Randy Black: 00:40:10

Dr. Brad Miller: I want to be the grandpa who's

Randy Black: 00:40:12

Dr. Brad Miller: dancing with my daughters at their weddings twenty years from now, not the guy sitting over the corner being, you know, complaining about the food or whatever it would be.

Randy Black: 00:40:21

Dr. Brad Miller: You know, I want to be the guy who's dancing and having a good time and uh

Randy Black: 00:40:24

Dr. Brad Miller: And what I also want to be that person where other people want me to be there instead of just putting up with me, you know, instead of just dealing with I've been dealing with valuable to those people

Randy Black: 00:40:37

Coach Jim Clayton: Because you're one of these people that bring out the best in people.

Randy Black: 00:40:42

Coach Jim Clayton: There are people that do the opposite.

Randy Black: 00:40:44

Coach Jim Clayton: We know some of those people in our lives.

Randy Black: 00:40:46

Coach Jim Clayton: They just bring out the worst.

Randy Black: 00:40:48

Coach Jim Clayton: And I call that the the uh the sound that brings you down.

Randy Black: 00:40:52

Coach Jim Clayton: W-E-A-K radio, and I don't put that on my diet

Randy Black: 00:40:56

Coach Jim Clayton: I just don't I don't put it on there.

Randy Black: 00:40:58

Coach Jim Clayton: I'm not going to be around those people.

Randy Black: 00:40:59

Coach Jim Clayton: And when you're facing adversity like that, that's the worst that's the worst pill you can swallow is to go down that road.

Randy Black: 00:41:07

Dr. Brad Miller: Right

Randy Black: 00:41:08

Dr. Brad Miller: But Jim, you know as a coach, there are certain coaches and there are certain leaders and teachers and I know Randy, you know this as a teacher, that certain teachers and leaders and coaches will draw the best out of you.

Randy Black: 00:41:18

Dr. Brad Miller: And others will kind of bring you down and there's kind of those two basic approaches.

Randy Black: 00:41:21

Dr. Brad Miller: I believe you can you know you could still be tough and loving and still encouraging at the same time.

Randy Black: 00:41:26

Dr. Brad Miller: Yes.

Randy Black: 00:41:26

Dr. Brad Miller: And then uh but the but the best teams I've seen

Randy Black: 00:41:31

Dr. Brad Miller: uh both in basketball and life are the ones where there is a great vision moving forward and there is an ongoing encouragement

Randy Black: 00:41:40

Dr. Brad Miller: And you still choose then to deal with the adversity.

Randy Black: 00:41:44

Dr. Brad Miller: You deal with the brutal facts, whatever they are

Randy Black: 00:41:48

Dr. Brad Miller: and then choose to still move forward in faith.

Randy Black: 00:41:52

Dr. Brad Miller: Move through it anyhow.

Randy Black: 00:41:54

Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's how great basketball teams achieve uh

Randy Black: 00:41:57

Dr. Brad Miller: achieve winning and how people get through cancer or people get through whatever it is, divorce, depression, any number of things, uh they get

Randy Black: 00:42:05

Dr. Brad Miller: They get through it, man.

Randy Black: 00:42:06

Dr. Brad Miller: And uh and they need the help of others.

Randy Black: 00:42:08

Dr. Brad Miller: And I'm here to help.

Randy Black: 00:42:09

Dr. Brad Miller: And people like Jim and Randy are here to help too.

Randy Black: 00:42:12

Dr. Brad Miller: And that's what is great about shooting it straight.

Randy Black: 00:42:15

Yeah.

Randy Black: 00:42:15

So I kinda have a serious question.

Randy Black: 00:42:17

Um this goes back to your work, you know, your career as a minister.

Randy Black: 00:42:21

My father uh was was a was a Baptist pastor for for many years.

Randy Black: 00:42:25

So I know he would he would have a view on this a little bit here.

Randy Black: 00:42:28

So

Randy Black: 00:42:29

You know, connection and spirituality are always central to what you've done.

Randy Black: 00:42:33

And it still is with what you're doing now with with the podcast and with sharing and helping people.

Randy Black: 00:42:37

But

Randy Black: 00:42:38

What do you say to somebody who feels disconnected in their suffering?

Randy Black: 00:42:43

They feel like that, you know, God or whatever they believe in as a higher power has left them behind.

Randy Black: 00:42:49

How do you comfort that?

Randy Black: 00:42:50

How do you help them?

Randy Black: 00:42:52

Dr. Brad Miller: Well, it's a great question because it's the profound question of our time when people feel loneliness and depression.

Randy Black: 00:43:00

Dr. Brad Miller: It's at epidemic proportions.

Randy Black: 00:43:01

Dr. Brad Miller: Would you guys agree with that?

Randy Black: 00:43:03

Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah.

Randy Black: 00:43:03

Dr. Brad Miller: Loneliness, depression, isolationism.

Randy Black: 00:43:06

Dr. Brad Miller: And why is it because uh people have uh not been connected to that which fulfills them?

Randy Black: 00:43:11

Dr. Brad Miller: It's a sense of lack of fulfillment, it is disillusionment and that type of thing.

Randy Black: 00:43:16

Dr. Brad Miller: And I would say a couple things.

Randy Black: 00:43:18

Dr. Brad Miller: Is that biblically and great people of all times have their low moments, including Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, uh on the cross, and if you want to go

Randy Black: 00:43:30

Dr. Brad Miller: you know, you know, full biblical about this, Jesus himself went through that time.

Randy Black: 00:43:35

Dr. Brad Miller: Let this cup pass over me.

Randy Black: 00:43:36

Dr. Brad Miller: So that's the total humanity of God

Randy Black: 00:43:39

Dr. Brad Miller: Okay, control the humanity of God through through Jesus Christ from a Christian perspective.

Randy Black: 00:43:43

Dr. Brad Miller: So everybody's gone through it, so you're not alone in this.

Randy Black: 00:43:46

Dr. Brad Miller: However, the idea is to see for that which is the promise.

Randy Black: 00:43:51

Dr. Brad Miller: I like to call it the promise.

Randy Black: 00:43:53

Dr. Brad Miller: given life.

Randy Black: 00:43:54

Dr. Brad Miller: And the promise given life has to do with that we believe in the God-given promise to give you the power that you need to get through life.

Randy Black: 00:44:02

Dr. Brad Miller: In 2 Timothy 1.

Randy Black: 00:44:03

Dr. Brad Miller: 7 says that what does the if you got to accept the gifts that God gives you, that's kind of the grace to accept your circumstances.

Randy Black: 00:44:11

Dr. Brad Miller: whatever they are, except that you're you're a child of God no matter what, but then take advantage of what the gifts that God gives you.

Randy Black: 00:44:18

Dr. Brad Miller: And so I see the gifts

Randy Black: 00:44:20

Dr. Brad Miller: uh that God gives you basically in four categories, and they go pretty much along the line of what I said here earlier.

Randy Black: 00:44:26

Dr. Brad Miller: It says in 2 Timothy 1.

Randy Black: 00:44:28

Dr. Brad Miller: 7 it says, God did not give you a spirit of timidity.

Randy Black: 00:44:31

Dr. Brad Miller: So what is timidity?

Randy Black: 00:44:32

Dr. Brad Miller: That's laying back.

Randy Black: 00:44:33

Dr. Brad Miller: So the opposite of that is being bold as to taking action.

Randy Black: 00:44:36

Dr. Brad Miller: So you have to accept that gift that God gives you.

Randy Black: 00:44:38

Dr. Brad Miller: That's a God-given gift

Randy Black: 00:44:40

Dr. Brad Miller: And so it also says God did not uh but God does give you the gift of power.

Randy Black: 00:44:45

Dr. Brad Miller: That is the strength, that's the spiritual strength, but you gotta accept that gift and you've got to utilize it.

Randy Black: 00:44:50

Dr. Brad Miller: And then also love, which is the emotional piece.

Randy Black: 00:44:54

Dr. Brad Miller: God that that same verse of scripture, this is my life first, basically.

Randy Black: 00:44:58

Dr. Brad Miller: God gives you the power, uh gives you the gift of love and of self-control, which is of using your mind

Randy Black: 00:45:04

Dr. Brad Miller: But you have to accept those gifts.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's kind of like if somebody, you know, it's like if somebody gave you a gift at Christmas time and you say, Well, I don't want that, you know, or whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I don't like that sweater or whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's a big time rejection

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Dr. Brad Miller: The opportunity is there is for us to accept the gift.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so our role of those who people who encounter people like that, and they're everywhere, is to keep encouraging them and keep giving them the gift of our encouragement and help them to see that they are a child of God.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And they have the God given, I you know, I call it the promise here, but this is the promise God gives us of

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Dr. Brad Miller: Not timid, being bold, loving, self-control of the mind, and of power.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So claim those things, use them and apply them

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Dr. Brad Miller: Does that help a little bit there?

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That's awesome.

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I love that.

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That was some great stuff.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So if you got me to preach it a little bit, I'm not sure.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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So if you had to sum up

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your message about resilience and recovery and the things you've had to go through in one sentence.

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You think you could do it?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Receive grace, go in faith.

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That's good.

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I like that.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Two words, grace and go are two key words for me.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You receive the grace.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's God loves you no matter what.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You are a child of God no matter what.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You know, uh it's like the best of basketball teams.

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Dr. Brad Miller: whoever the best basketball line teams I've seen, see what you think here, Jim, are the ones where even the guy at the end of the bench who however plays is still a part of things.

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Dr. Brad Miller: The starting guard the starting star player still loves that guy and that guy loves him.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And they still are on the same team and they still are supporting one another.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's all they're after.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's grace that you're here, you got something to offer.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And the go is let's go get it uh together

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Dr. Brad Miller: go and the faith is that we're going to achieve this.

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Dr. Brad Miller: We're going to either beat this cancer or we're going to achieve something great in life.

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Dr. Brad Miller: uh win the game, whatever it is.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Think like a winner, not a loser.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yes.

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Dr. Brad Miller: God, God.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You are a winner, man.

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Dr. Brad Miller: So just claim the victory.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so that's what I'd like to encourage people to do.

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Dr. Brad Miller: But that's a

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's what I would say, man.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Go or I've seen Grace, go in faith.

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Nice.

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So I know from several episodes of Cancer and Comedy that I've listened to that you are a proponent

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of dad jokes.

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So you have do you have a go-to dad joke you throw out there the first time you meet somebody just to kind of to give 'em a sense of where you're coming from and how humor is so important to you and what you do?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well, how how about a uh a basketball dad joke here, Jim?

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Dr. Brad Miller: You ready for one?

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Dr. Brad Miller: Oh yeah.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yeah.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Uh why can't Cinderella play basketball

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Dr. Brad Miller: Ooh.

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Dr. Brad Miller: She's always running away from the ball.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's a good one.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I used to I used to do the hokey pokey, uh, but I turned myself around.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Nice.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That that's what it's all about, man.

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Dr. Brad Miller: That's what it's all about.

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Exactly.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I love it.

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So Brad, thank you very, very much for taking the time to

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Dr. Brad Miller: Before we go, I got a gift for your listeners if they would like it and share with you.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It is

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Dr. Brad Miller: What you heard here, uh what I shared a little bit about the Axe Pan Axe Pact uh plan, uh I make it available in a short audio course that you can get for free uh at my website, cancerandcomedy.

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Dr. Brad Miller: com.

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Dr. Brad Miller: You go there and you'll get uh five short lessons uh on audio.

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Dr. Brad Miller: It's all audio.

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Dr. Brad Miller: They're each about f eight minutes long or so.

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Dr. Brad Miller: And so it's pretty consumable, but it's a free gift to your

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Dr. Brad Miller: Just go to cancercomedy.

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com slash free.

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Awesome.

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Thank you, Brad.

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Can you can you stick with us through Jim's Wisdom of the Week?

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Maybe you might have a comment, uh something you might want to share along with what Jim's going to share this week.

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I'd be honored.

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Okay, so it's time for Jimmy's Wisdom of the Week.

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Cheesy Announcer Guy: Now it's time for Jimmy's Wisdom of the Week.

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Cheesy Announcer Guy: This is where Jimmy shares one of his famous Jimmy isms to inspire the.

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Cheesy Announcer Guy: Listen.

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So this week's Jimmyism, he's gonna share, is one he gave me just a little bit ago and it hit me like a ton of bricks real quick

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And that is accept what is, let go of what was, and have faith in what will be.

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Jimmy, what's that mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well, you know, sometimes things happen for a reason.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It is what it is.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You can be a like you talked about, Brad, you can be a winner or you could be a whiner.

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Coach Jim Clayton: But you can't be both.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Okay?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Which one are you gonna be?

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Coach Jim Clayton: So you have to make that choice.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And what was was in the past.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's dead's got no life

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you can't let move forward by going backwards.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It just doesn't work that way.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you know, you have faith and things are going to be that way.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And guess what?

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Coach Jim Clayton: You don't always know when it's going to happen, but it will happen

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's your mindset.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And again, it's like Brad my famous quote I use uh the end of everything is called BAM, son.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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It's what?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Bam, son.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Bam, son.

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Coach Jim Clayton: There it is.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And so bam, when I went down to do a

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Coach Jim Clayton: a uh meet with John Maxwell and the uh Maxwell Leadership Academy and meet all those people.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, I I I had I used that word because BAM is a word that gets excited

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Coach Jim Clayton: Bam!

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Coach Jim Clayton: Something's, I mean, woo, what's happening?

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Coach Jim Clayton: What's happening?

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Coach Jim Clayton: So I said, what's that mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Well I said, be pleased, believe in yourself.

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Coach Jim Clayton: If you don't believe in yourself, don't expect anyone else to either

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Coach Jim Clayton: A is achieve.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Achieve the right mindset.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Without the right mindset, you're not going forward.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Your life's in reverse

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's why they make the front wheel shield bigger than the rear view mirror, because the rear view mirror is meant to glance at, not stare at.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And mo M stands for motivation.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You got to be motivated through the process every day.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's not something that happens naturally.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's something you got to work on.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's something that you just got to make happen.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's not your coach.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's not your teacher.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's not your mom and dad's job to motivate you.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It's your job.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's how I came up with BAM.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And uh I got the son from a from a coach in Paintsville, Kentucky, a legendary coach, and I was watching the video, Legends of the Bluegrass, and he was in the uh the uh locker room

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Coach Jim Clayton: Talking to one of his players, and I guess this guy on the other team was wearing him out on office.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He said, son, you can't guard that boy somewhere.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You got to get up in his grill, son.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You can't let him tell you what's gonna happen.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta dictate what you gonna do

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Coach Jim Clayton: And I'm thinking, son, I went, bam, son, and that's how we got that that uh that that uh that word and that statement and that kind of defines what I do

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, that's what this is all about.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, you gotta have faith in it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta be believing yourself, you gotta be achieve the right mindset, and you gotta be motivated through the process.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And it doesn't matter what happens to you

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Coach Jim Clayton: It just matters what are you going to do about it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you can't be pitiful and powerful at the same time.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You can't be a whiner and winner.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Which one are you going to choose?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Because ultimately you're going to go with one.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you can't ride the fence because that's you're not making a decision.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta make a decision.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You talked about that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta have the you know the

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Coach Jim Clayton: The ability, the power to go forward.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: You can't be timid.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You can't lay back.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, God made you to stand out, not blend in.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Okay?

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Coach Jim Clayton: We don't need any more copies in the world.

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Coach Jim Clayton: We need originals.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you're one of those originals

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Coach Jim Clayton: So let's make sure the world knows that.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's kind of, you know, that's kind of what that statement means to me.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Well, bam son's going to be sticking with me from here on.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: I love it.

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It's it's it's power I I told Jim, you know, after we recorded back in twenty eighteen together for a podcast I did then, that was the the text tone on my phone for over a year.

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Uh because I pulled it right out of the recording.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Now that'll make you laugh.

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Coach Jim Clayton: See, I hear it now, I hear somebody say that

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Coach Jim Clayton: had this one little girl from Logan, West Virginia, which is a small place.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And she's probably now she's in high school now, but she was probably in elementary school.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And she came in here and I and I her name was Abby.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, Abby

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Coach Jim Clayton: What do you got to say to that?

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Coach Jim Clayton: She goes, she cocked that head, moved around a little bit.

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Coach Jim Clayton: She goes, bam, son.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So now

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Coach Jim Clayton: In my house, I showed my my my granddaughters that video.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So when I go, BAM, son, my littlest one hides, she goes, Whoa, she has the end of it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And it just makes me laugh and smile.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And again

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Coach Jim Clayton: Exactly what you're dealing with, laughing, smiling, taking the taking the heat off, you know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: Don't take life so serious.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Even if you got something that's pressing on you a little bit

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, hey, it's i it i it's gonna be there.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It'll be there tomorrow.

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Coach Jim Clayton: It'll be there today, it'll be there the next day, but you know, you can't let that define you, and you can't let that control you

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Coach Jim Clayton: which is what most people do.

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Coach Jim Clayton: They just let it control 'em like a puppeteer.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know what I mean?

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Coach Jim Clayton: I said, You gotta be a control.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You're the one that controls that, not anybody else.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Don't ever forget it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And and so the stuff I've learned today from you, oh my gosh.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm telling ya, I am so excited.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I've taken three pages of notes on you and uh I mean I'm gonna put I'm gonna give it to Randy.

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Coach Jim Clayton: I'm gonna take a picture and he's gonna put it all together.

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Get it transcribed.

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Coach Jim Clayton: He transcribes it because my brain just

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Coach Jim Clayton: It just works.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you give me so many thoughts.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You'll say one thing, like I love the thing about vision moving forward.

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Coach Jim Clayton: But you want to be clarity and clear.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Okay, you gotta have you gotta know what you're going after and you gotta go get it.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And that's called the plan.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And you've talked about that in different things.

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Coach Jim Clayton: The strength, the power.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You know, you can't lay back and wait for things to happen.

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Coach Jim Clayton: You gotta make them happen

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Dr. Brad Miller: Yes.

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Coach Jim Clayton: And love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love it.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love your power.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Love your energy.

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Dr. Brad Miller: Bam.

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Coach Jim Clayton: Bam, son.

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Coach Jim Clayton: That's it.

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So thanks again, Brad.

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We appreciate you taking the time.

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Today

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This episode has been just a powerful reminder that bouncing back doesn't mean you ignore the pain.

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But it can mean that you smile or you laugh your way through it.

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And I know that's your whole message and what you do with your podcast.

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And I hope that our listeners can take the time.

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to head over to our website at shooting it straight podcast dot com and go to the posts for this episode such shooting it straight podcast dot com slash

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That'll get them there, and that they can share something that's happened in their life where maybe laughter and humor has has helped them in some way to get through a situation that was rough.

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So we hope everybody has a great week.

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We're going to finish this one up.

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I'm Randy Black.

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I'm Coach Jim Clayton.

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And today we were joined by Brad Miller.

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And we are going to keep shooting straight.

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Coach Jim Clayton: So trust you got, leave.

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Coach Jim Clayton: with your heart and when the moment comes remember keep shooters straight bam son