New evidence is raising serious questions about the J6 pipe bomber investigation. Investigative journalist Steve Baker joins Keith Malinak for a deep dive into the Brian Cole case and the growing controversy surrounding one of the most mysterious investigations connected to January 6.

In this episode of At The Mic: Thursday Deep Dive, Baker examines the evidence, the timeline, and the unanswered questions that continue to surround the case. As new details emerge, the conversation explores the tension between truth, narrative, and the machinery of government investigations.

Before turning to the investigation, Baker also shares a personal story about a recent health crisis that nearly stopped his work altogether, and how the experience changed his perspective on stress, resilience, and the cost of investigative journalism.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 The Crisis That Nearly Stopped the Investigation
2. 07:00 The ER Moment: “We Think You're Having a Heart Attack”
3. 20:08 What Actually Caused the Heart Failure
4. 34:59 The Medical Technology That Saved Him
5. 45:14 The Secret Meeting That Changed Everything
6. 01:00:00 Recovery and a New Perspective
7. 01:02:18 The Brian Cole Arrest Explained
8. 01:09:59 The Evidence Challenging the Pipe Bomber Case
9. 01:20:08 What Happens Next in the Investigation

If the evidence in a major investigation doesn’t line up with the official story, what responsibility do journalists, investigators, and the public have to keep digging for the truth?

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make this easy for everybody. What I have done is I went ahead and drafted the tweet here. It says, read Steve Baker USA's awesome stories at the Blaze. And I put a link. I've already typed in Steve Baker in the search engine for the Blaze. So all you have to do is go to this tweet that I just posted, click on that, and you'll see all of Steve's great work. And I do mean great. Buddy, how's it going?

going good. And since you put that out there and, of course I just shared the link to the live stream on my ex page as well. By me doing that, that means that you should have, um, you should have some extra viewers today. mean, the FBI, CIA, um,

Hi everybody!

I think they're all right. I've had so many shows about the FBI.

A of law firms will be interested. Yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be fun. But I'm doing, I'm doing good.

I think whenever I have you on or FBI whistleblower Steve Friend on, I believe the Hoover Building IP addresses show up in mass.

for sure. Yeah.

Man, okay, so before we...

Check Langley today. See if you get the IP addresses from Langley today.

I would love that. That reminds me, I need to do a CIA. It's been a while since I've done a show on the CIA. OK, let's first touch base on you, you haven't been on this show in a while. And I don't know that you've been on since you had your health scare late last year, right around Christmas. And is there an update? What's going on,

Yeah.

Oh gosh. Uh, yeah, I, um, gosh, what was it? It was the Sunday before Christmas. Um, whoops, Christmas last year on a Thursday. Anyway, so the Sunday before Christmas, I suffered a quote unquote acute heart failure. And, um, uh, I had had symptoms leading up to it, but I didn't.

didn't recognize the symptoms. thought I had, you know, bronchitis or something like that. You know, I had a, I had a chronic dry cough. I had a trouble breathing, you know, had kind of a little gurgling in my wind, you know, that sort of thing. And of course I didn't know what was going on and, and I was, you know, I was working right through it.

How long had these symptoms been showing?

I want to say if, if I, if I really stretch it out with my imagination, I would say maybe up to two months before, but really became, prevalent in the two weeks leading up to that. And I, know, and again, I just thought it was, a, you know, matter of, I don't know when it was.

You know, the dead of winter, I'm working hard. mean, I'm walking the streets of DC every day. were doing investigating the pipe bomber story. were, you know, in fact, on the Friday and Saturday, so the, the, the, the event that where I had to go to the ER and ultimately they put me in ICU was, on a Sunday, but on that Friday and Saturday, the two days before that I was in DC.

out on the streets measuring bricks and concrete blocks and pavement and gutters where the, you know, the, pipe bomber, the, the J six pipe bomber with, know, the one wearing the hoodie and all of that. And then also the kid that they arrested, Brian Cole jr. And claims to be the, you know, the, the, the pipe bomber. I I'm out measuring with tape, literally with a tape measure.

where both of those individuals had walked in their life so that we could get accurate foot size measurements and you know, things like that. So I'm walking around out in the cold in the dead of winter. I'm in, I'm in Brian Cole's neighborhood. I'm interviewing neighbors. I'm interviewing other people that know him. So I'm working, I mean, I'm putting in the hours and doing it outside. And then of course, when you're in DC, you walk everywhere. You don't, you know, so it's,

And it's what I'm used to doing. And I like to do that. But I noticed that on that Friday and Saturday, in fact, my partner in crime and co-writer on most of these stories related to January 6th, Joe Hanneman, I remember calling him on the Friday. I was leaving the Rayburn Congressional Office building and I was walking up Capitol Hill. And it's not a steep incline, but it's a gradual, steady incline.

I got one block and I had to stop. And I told Joe, said, Ben, I don't know what's going on, but I can't breathe. And, this was on Friday, two days before my event or heart event. And, I said, can't breathe. I got air. I got to stop. whatever the, can't remember what the next, congressional office building up is long worth or whatever it is. Anyway, I stopped on the steps there and just sat down. And then on Saturday, I was actually.

So then we could, you know, do the reverse, the math and get actual measurements of both, um, foot size, uh, length of stride, things of those natures to compare it to Brian Cole, which by the way, we'll talk about it a little bit more, but we've got that story coming out on hopefully Monday and a lot of weeks, lot of man hours and putting this new story that we have out. anyway, so it goes back, you know, three months ago. So I, um, uh,

I finished measuring at the DNC and I started walking toward where the blaze offices are up on Capitol Hill. And it's not a far walk. mean, I don't know half a mile. I mean, it's a piece of cake walk for me under normal circumstances. Well, I was only a block away from the office and there's a Starbucks right there. I couldn't move anymore. I stopped.

At the Starbucks went inside, ordered a coffee, and then I had to sit down for two hours before I felt good enough and had enough wind to move again. And then at that point I didn't even go to the office. I, I got a, got an Uber, went back to my hotel, in Arlington across the river and gotten checked out, got in my car and headed home.

So that was on Saturday night that I got home and then Sunday by late Sunday afternoon, I knew I was in trouble and had to get to the ER.

my goodness. Okay. So you're in the ER. did we get a diagnosis? What's happening here?

Yeah. So, well, when I get there, they immediately recognize the stress and it's an actual, it's a heart, it's, what they call a Rex, UNC hospital in Raleigh, North Carolina has a brand new, you know, state of the art cardiology center. And the, the ER is right there. and so I go in, they immediately recognize the, the distress they.

Got it. Got an EKG EKG going. And then all of a sudden, and I don't know if he was a nurse or an orderly or whatever. He comes to grabs a wheelchair, throws me on the wheelchair and starts running down the hallway. I mean, he's pushing me at great speed. I said, what's going on? He said, um, he said, we're coding you. I went, wait a minute, wait a minute. What do mean coding? thought when you coded, that means you're flatlining. He said, that's the way we're about to treat you right now. He said, we think you're, we think you're in the middle of a heart attack.

And, so they throw, they throw me into this really advanced, you know, don't know, triage room whatever. It's got all the high tech, you know, video screens and everything. look, felt it look, it looked like a set from, you know, Star Trek, uh, the next generation in there. And, and, um, uh, all of a sudden there's like seven or eight. I don't know what they are. I know their physician assistants, nurses, doctors. don't know. They are stripping my clothes off of them. Of course, 80 % of them were women.

And, I mean, I'm, I'm just completely, yes. I'm thinking to myself, well, all right, well, this is how goes.

Normally you have to pay extra for that.

I'm well, I'm thinking, you know, if I got, if this is, if this is my last, uh, memories on earth, I've got women taking my clothes off. Um, there you go. I'm serious, Keith. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm was a, it was a bizarre, surreal moment because I had no fear at all. I mean, I wasn't scared. was fascinated by the process and, and, uh, and I did, and I, and in,

one of the things that went through my mind and, it, it stuck with me cause I, I cataloged it because I wasn't, I'd never would have expected this. I would have expected fear, dread of the unknown. You know, what, about my kids? Do I need to call? You know, what, what do I need to do? And instead I was thinking, okay, all right, well,

If this is it, it's it. I'm going to, I'm going to try my best to, chronicle it all and see what, you know, what the transition is like. And if it's not it, I'm just about to go through a major heart surgery or something like that.

You're thinking I'm gonna write a story about crossing over. But this journalist in you is like, okay, I don't have my notepad, I don't have my phone, but I gotta remember all this because I might be writing a story about this one day.

Are you?

Exactly. I, I, I mean, I had nothing but curiosity and fascination at that moment and no fear at all. And, uh, and so, you know, they're stripping my clothes off and they're putting electrodes all over, you know, my chest and my stomach, my back. And, uh, and then all of a sudden they start hitting me with some, um, uh, you know, they, they, they didn't give me a general anesthesia, but they're hitting me with locals.

down around my groin area because they're going in, you know, they're going in up through my veins and arteries or whatever. And so they're going into my heart with a, you know, a camera, essentially they're injecting dye into me and I can see it all happening on the screen. I can see the doc that's doing it and he's down there, you know, he's down there jamming this tube or, know, these series of whatever, whatever the heck it is.

side track for just a quick second. Who do you think was the first person to go, you know what we might want to try to do is to get to the heart. Let's go through the leg. That is just fascinating, you know.

It is. mean, you know, look, we, we, we spend a lot of time in the news media criticizing, medicine insurance, pharmaceuticals, you know, things like, and, there's plenty there to analyze and criticize, but what they have accomplished in medical science is just insanely fascinating.

That's a good tease for next Wednesday show criticizing the medical.

my, you know, cracking my, chest, know, yeah. And peeling me open like a chicken and, going in directly, they're coming up through my groin with a camera and yeah. And, I, then the fact that I'm awake and I can see it, I'm watching it. And so, and so I see the frustration because the, the, the, the,

fascinating.

the technician or the doctor or whoever's doing this, he's getting really frustrated because he, he's up there jamming this thing up and I'm seeing, I'm seeing the inside of my heart and he's going into the different valves and ventricles and veins. No, no pain at all. Wow. I, it's discomfort. I felt discomfort.

Feeling physical pain, like what?

Okay, yeah, but they had you on a drip or something, guess. Yeah.

So I felt discomfort, but I didn't feel any pain. and so, he's suddenly he's like expressing the fact that there's no blockages. I don't have any, you know, buildups in any of my veins, my arteries, the valves, the ventricles, the, know, the, whatever you call them, you know, the nothing, there's nothing, there's no blockages at all. And that's what.

typically, you know, that's what they're looking for. They, know, you typically end up, you know, that's why you have to have bypass surgeries or have a stent put in or something like that. And I was clean, clean and green, man. I'm, know, and at my age, that's pretty good. know,

Yeah, and so, no, the doctor, it wasn't a poker face, huh? You saw the look on his face, huh?

I mean, so I've got the screens up on my left side here and then he's, down here. I can see him. I can see his face and his hands working and I'm looking up at the screen and I can see his frustration and, and he's taught, of course he's talking in there. it's like, there was, there was, you know, again, like there's seven or eight, you know, people in varying colors of, uh, uh, you know, surgical gear and, and, um, uh, what are they, what do they call them? They're.

Orderly's, no.

What? clothes they wear, you

Everybody's got it's color coded in there, but I don't know what means what.

I so, so they, know, they, so I'll never forget at some point this, lady in blue scrubs, goes, Hmm. Acute heart failure. And I'm watching the screen and I jerked my head around to this group of people standing in a semi-circle watching the screens.

And they're looking at the EKG on other screens or looking at, know, what he's doing on, you know, two or three other big screens. And, uh, and I, and I remember raising my finger up and pointing at her and said, you, you in the blue, what did you just say? She said, acute heart failure. I'm like, okay, well somebody explained this to me, you know? So long story short.

Take your time. This is fascinating.

I, I have what is, you know, what was, or is a fairly common malady. And that's, what do they call it? Atrial fibulation or a fib. And, I had been apparently for some time suffering, a, problem where my heart was not beating regularly.

And it's proper tempo and pace and rhythm. And, as a result, it was, my heart was getting weaker and weaker and weaker as it was literally failing. And, and the thing, the symptoms that I was noticing, that I thought might be, you know, cold or bronchitis or maybe even, you know, mild pneumonia or something.

was actually a buildup of blood and fluids in my lungs. that, because my heart wasn't strong enough to pump my fluids through my body and particularly to extract them, you know, from my, from my lungs. And, another really curious and really frustrating side symptom to that was I had been putting on this gut. I couldn't

There was nothing I could do diet wise. It didn't matter how many meals I skipped. didn't matter what I control, how I controlled my diet, how much exercise I did. Nothing. could not lose this growing gut. And it was in, and by then it had gotten to like basketball size and,

Pregnant Man emoji from Apple.

I was, and, so, I was, I was horrified because it's interesting that for, know, our, our other colleague, Matt Kibbe, blaze TV guy, I was due. had, he asked me if I would interview, Congressman Thomas Massey on, you know, pipe bomb related stuff for his show. So, I mean, I thought it was an honor, you know, Matt would

give me the interviewer slot to interview the Congressman. And we did it in Massey's office. And when I, course, when I saw the playback and I saw this basketball in my gut, you know, I was embarrassed. I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't button my, sports jackets. They wouldn't button. And so I didn't realize that this was the buildup of fluids in the bottom of my lungs. And so consequently,

after they got me in the hospital two days later, two days later, I had shed 15 pounds of this fluid and all of a sudden it's back flat again.

I don't want to be that that's stunning. I don't I'm not trying to be salacious here, but how how does it come out? Are you just constantly peeing or what?

yeah. They, they give you these diuretics that make you just, I mean, I mean, you're, you know, you're in the hospital.

your office in the bathroom.

But yeah, it's like, it's, of course you can't, you can't pee in the, know, because this is, this is probably TMI for everybody, but they don't let you pee in the toilet. have to pee into, you know, a container that they then measure because they're measuring. So they're measuring how much fluid that I'm getting rid of. Right. So I mean, so for a week, solid week, every time I had to go to the restroom, which was very frequently,

Okay.

I had to,

blue. It's your turn to measure this.

And, know, of course they were like insistent that I could do it from the bed. I'm like, you know, now I'll get up. I'll, I will go through the process of getting it up, you know, getting up and going. And of course I was wired up, you know, I had, had, know, I had, uh, oxygen in my nose. had, you know, I had two, I had tubes going in both arms, you know, so I, I'd have to get up and drag my, you know,

Yep.

all the bags that were feeding me and keeping me alive.

I've been connected to those enough times. Nothing as dramatic as what you went through, but I know exactly what you mean. You're like, sorry, y'all, I gotta pee again. And then they have to follow you and then they wait out. brother. Okay. So how long were you in the hospital?

Yep.

full week. celebrated Christmas. my kids came up to see me and, a few other, you know, friends and family. so I had Christmas this year in the hospital.

How are you doing right now? What is, like, what do we know? Okay, so you had the lady in blue told you, the acute heart failure or something was happening right there. Did they say to you, this is what caused it? Like, was there anything specific?

there are, there are so many things that can cause it or it can just happen. can be genetically predisposed to it or, whatever there, but, yeah, stress, stress, stress is a big.

But naturally.

Have you been under any kind of stress in the last five years or so? So, okay. Obviously between what you've been through with J6, well, hell, it's all J6 related. I can imagine, no, I can't imagine the kind of stress that you've been under. But I will say that people like me and...

And people like me with our proclivities toward conspiracy, seeing the timing of your health issues and your near death experience and what you were reporting on and knowing, who your enemies are, quite frankly, in our own government, in this administration. people like me were like, hell no, they are not trying to kill my friend. Can we write that off as any kind of.

outside influence doing this to you other than the other than the stresses of what you've been going through in your reporting and and your what the Biden administration did to you. In other words, is it just stress or was there anything else beyond that that maybe was?

Like I said, there are all kinds of factors, alcohol and nicotine, those are blamed, or used to everything.

We haven't gone drinking in a while. Are you done with that?

Well, let me tell you, let me tell you what I am doing. So there's all kinds of really good non-alcoholic beers now, which I did not know until this happened. so, I have, I brought a couple of examples. was Sierra Nevada trail pass IPA. This is called the athletic brewing company, run wild IPA.

I'm drinking the Sierra Nevada right now. It's in this cup. and, and then there's some other really good, I mean, there's, there's actually, there's an entire new market for that is because people are becoming more, health conscious and that sort of thing.

that's good I have a designated driver now.

Yeah. Well, here's the, here's, here's the truth of the matter is that since we're on that topic, I don't miss the alcohol at all. Yeah. And I was like, because I like good beer. like good beer. like expensive scotch and fine wines. There's no way they're going to be able to recreate.

Good for you.

a McCallan 18 or a, you know, Lagavulin 16 Scotch.

That's too bad. Maybe that's a business venture you need to tackle. Yeah. Is alcohol free scotch. mean, even saying that phrase makes me sick.

I mean, if, if they could, if they could do that or they could create a great, you know, old fashioned with a non-alcoholic bourbon, I'd be all over it. I don't miss, I do not miss the alcohol and these, these are so good. They're indistinguishable from a real beer and

I think it tricks your brain into like going, wow. And so I've been experimenting with them and I'm about to expand, expand my search. because I have been so impressed with some of that. Now they're not all good. good. yeah. Yeah. dual.

Cutter.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah

The, the Guinness non-alcoholic is almost there. I, I can in fact tell you the difference between a real Guinness and the, non-alcoholic Guinness, but it's not bad. It's not, it's not like it's not offensive, but I can, I can tell the difference. this, these two IPAs right here, the reason why I even showed them to you was because if you, if, if you ordered these at a bar,

And you did not know that they were non-alcoholic.

you would not be able to tell the difference between either of them and a otherwise really good IPA. It's indistinguishable.

Well, maybe I'll stop drinking alcohol. Once I clear the cabinet, after that. I am too cheap to be wasted. A cabinet full of booze.

Right, right, right. Yeah, don't waste it.

I'll finish. I'll just finish this by saying, finished answer your question. you know, my, my, my cardiologist has told me that he's not offended if I have the occasional cocktail or drink or whatever. and so I have, you know, since this thing, I've limited that, but the trade-off is, is that if I am traveling and I've been allowed to travel a few times now,

So if I've been up in DC and I've had meetings with, you know, sources or, or whoever, I have, had a drink like I'll, so I'll have a, you know, I'll have a really good Scotch, but I'm, but I'm spending more in buying better Scotch now than I was before. rather than having, well, no, but rather than having, you know, three that I could afford, I'm having one that otherwise I wouldn't normally pay for.

No.

Yeah, so there's non-alcoholic beer, obviously. We're going to figure out a market for non-alcoholic. We're going to figure out the formula for non-alcoholic bourbon and scotch. But I guess it's not alcoholic wine. That's just grape juice, I guess.

I'm afraid, know, so yes, it exists actually there. They, they are in the stores, non-alcoholic wines, but I am absolutely, mean, I'm like, I'm going to get there. I'm going to buy one or I'm going to, you know, go to a tasting or something, but I just, I do not, I cannot believe that it can be that a fine, really good name, your favorite, you know,

grape, Cabernet, Beaujolais, know, Shiraz, whatever. I just can't believe that it can be recreated without the actual, you know, aging process.

See, I love the taste of wine. The problem is for me, and I've talked about this before, is it makes me cough. And it's sulfites. But I guess over in Europe, France in particular, they sell wine that doesn't have sulfites in it. And so I need a bottle of sulfite free wine, because I think that would be fun. anyway, there you go.

Well, I'm going to do it. I'm going to try it and see if it's, if it's worth it. But you know, all, all of the, all of the restaurants, even the, know, the really nice restaurants have what they call mocktails. That's all it's all girly drinks are all real sweet drinks.

yeah, yeah.

I don't care what anybody thinks about me. I don't care what kind of glass it comes in. I don't care what it looks like. I don't care if there's pieces of fruit dangling off the edge of the cup. The glass, I don't care if I like the way it tastes. So help me. I'm going to down it. I want to throw this out there. Look at that. Mary Carruthers. She says there are some non-alcoholic scotches out there.

Well if there are, I'll give it a show.

Okay, and one last point here that Kara made, if I can find her comment here, and you're not required to answer this, but it is something that crosses the mind whenever you hear of a heart issue. She's like, is it COVID jab connected? I didn't think so, but I just wanted to give the opportunity to lay that to rest. Well, I'm so grateful that you're on the road to recovery. I know you still have.

I've had the jab.

issues as you continue your trajectory upward. We'll be thinking about you and praying for you and that you get to 100 % restored health, my friend. yeah, just keep us updated. And my gosh, I'm so glad that you went to the ER, man. I'm glad you weren't too stubborn.

Well, that was the problem. My stubborn stubbornness made it worse than it was because, because by the time I gave in, I should have just, you know, Gone to the doctor weeks out, you know, like you're supposed to, but I I'm not that person. And, because I waited as long as I did by the time I got there, my, my, my heart was only operating at 10 % of its normal function.

And, and even just a couple of weeks ago when I had my last, um, what do they call that? The echo cardiogram, um, to test it, was up to 22.4%. Uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm recovering. But my, so my cardiologist told me that I have to be patient that, uh, that my recovery has to be measured in months and not days. And, know, and I get,

I'll have a run where I'll have a few days where I just feel normal and I want to get out and conquer the world, know? and then I'll go in into a few days of, particularly when I started adjusting my meds or add something that they did. And they did that this week. I mean, I, when they do that, I, I had the worst spell yesterday of, of a vertigo dizziness, blurry, blurry vision.

that I've had since the whole thing happened. And it was all related to a complete schedule adjustment and additional stuff in my med cocktail that they put on me. it just, man, it just, I felt great yesterday morning. I was, I was out on my deck. was pacing around. I'm talking on the phone. I'm doing the thing and you know, talking to, to sources and talking to our, you know, our, our partners working with us on these investigations and

I'm feeling great. And then about two o'clock in the afternoon, I started feeling really weird by three o'clock in the afternoon. I mean, I, I was having like, just, just to walk down the hall to the restroom. I'm having to hold the walls just to get, just to get there. So it happened. And then today I'm fine again.

Okay, all right. You keep us updated, man. We care about you. Yeah, let's go back to your stay at the hospital. Four star resort, yeah. really?

Really nice. Yeah. Cause it was that new, it's a new cardiac thing. And, and, and before I know where you're going, but the, the, the funny part was, is that when they were, you know, they were going down all of the diet, my new, you know, diet plans and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I, you know, 40 page manual, I'd already read it cover to cover twice. I told, I told the doctor.

that was going through this with me and they're, they're from their, what they call their heart failure team. And I said, that's a really shitty name for, know, I said, you guys need to rebrand. How about heart recovery team? Hey, you know, it's not hard to think up a more positive sounding thing. And it says it right on their Jack and other white jackets, heart failure team. I went this, I told him, I it's really awful. then.

like a like a 50 plus softball men's softball team. Yeah. Yeah. Hard failure team.

It's, it's, horrid, nothing but negative thoughts come to mind when you see that. And so, so now we get to the diet part of everything that we're discussing. I said, look, I've read the whole thing. I said, it's the worst diet plan I've ever seen. And I said, it's like, you guys went out there and you reprinted the original FDA, pyramid. And I, and I said this to the doc.

Call RFK.

And here's exactly, said these exact words. said, matter is, I said, as a matter of fact, your recommended diet for my condition is what built this new emphasis, this new cardiac center. And you know what she did? She went, yeah, you're right.

Our bad. Yep.

I said I will not be following that diet.

thing, bro, going back to the technology stuff that we were in awe of that you were talking about earlier. The technology in the healthcare sector is incredible. It's incredible. The common sense aspect is it feels like it's in the dark ages. And I'm looking forward to, like I said, next Wednesday at 3pm, we're going to talk about, we're going to talk to a guest that's going to go over

She was a nurse during the COVID era. We cannot forget the insanities of that era and and just let them get away with this although they already have but Yeah, it's just and and look and I just can I just throw this out there I don't want to make this about me and I don't want anybody to panic I did see Kara talking about blaze personalities health issues because I I'm fine. I just want everybody know I'm fine

But I'm kind of pissed at my doctor. I had to go in for some other stuff earlier this week. And I mentioned that I had this annoying cough. I thought it was going to give me some like almost like an allergy, I'm trying to think of what it is. Anyway, steroids. Just knock this thing out. It's just some sort of, know, I've done this before, you know. Dude goes, I know most of the audience has seen Breaking Bad. Right. OK. How does it start? Walter White.

has the cough. Next thing you know it's lung cancer. He says, my doctor goes, well actually protocol is he's like the actually guy. No, I love him to death, but he's like, actually the protocol for someone with a nagging cough like that is for chest x-rays to rule out lung cancer. Now, if it's lung cancer, I'll go, thank God my doctor is awesome. But

It's not going to be. It just seems like overkill. And this goes back to the whole common sense thing. It's like, maybe we just knock it out with steroids and we don't have to line up an appointment to get a chest x-ray for lung cancer that I'm not a smoker and all that. I know I got it, Christopher Reed. But anyway, let's see. Who was it? Is his wife the guy who died? Because you can get lung cancer without being a smoker. I tried to convince him to just.

Tell us to just give me the damn steroid and then we'll worry about the other. But no, I got to go in for that next week. So I just, the whole medical, bringing it back to the whole point is some of it's incredible, some of it is ridiculous. And here we are.

Yeah, yep, yep.

All right, well, while you're in the hospital, you get a guest stops by and visits you,

Yeah. And the story of that is pretty amazing.

I'll tell you what.

As I, for told, this is, I'm to have to take one of those five minute breaks. don't usually have to do this. I apologize to everybody, but, I'm living under a new regime now. so I'm gonna take one of those five minute breaks. that this is like a cliffhanger because there's a, there's a really, really interesting, answer to that story. Yeah.

Do it, man.

I will take off the screen and when I see you come back to your spot, I'll bring you back, man. All right. the time you need, man. Sure thing. Yeah. So as he continues his road to recovery, obviously the fatigue is a thing. He just talked about having to stop for two hours after walking a block in DC. So yeah, please do keep Steve Baker in your prayers because

We'll back in five.

He's still, what did he say? He said he's down to 10%. He's up to 22 % of his heart working. And he is, you're right, Mary. He is looking great. I agree completely. And I just do not want to be the reason for him feeling any kind of discomfort or anything negative on his health. While I've got you though, I do want to mention, I know I've said this a lot lately.

And I'm sorry that it hasn't quite worked out for at least a month. But I kind of think we might get a full house tomorrow. At least a start for the Friday live stream. What do we have out? 23 hours from now, myself, Brad Staggs, Rebecca, Mr. Reagan, which is actually pronounced Mr. Nevermind. And of course, Kelly Smith as well. So we might we might actually have all four right now.

Right now, it's looking like all four will be here tomorrow for the Friday live stream. I have no idea what we're going to be talking about though. It's been one of those weeks as far as trying to do any kind of preparation. So we'll just wing it. And look, can I just, let me just point something out here. If for whatever reason, Rebecca can't make it and she has to take care of the baby, we have a cardboard cutout of her. See this right here? So she could just.

She can join us like this. then Kelly's going to have to leave about halfway through. They'll take care of the first stuff. And so we will be joined by Rebecca and Kelly one way or another. What's wrong with that Sharpie? it's got the scotch tape. Yeah, the packing tape. And so the marker didn't quite do its thing. So Rebecca and Kelly will be here one way or another. This really looks awkward out of context. OK.

So please join us tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern for the Friday live stream. Friday happy hour, Friday whatever the hell it's called. I honestly don't even know. It's got like seven names now. Okay, let's see here. Mr. Steve Baker, he has returned and how you doing man? You all right?

Good. Yeah, no, I feel fine. Okay, good. Good.

well, you know what? The last time I heard, I feel fine. That's usually preceded by it's the end of the world as we know it. But so I it might be, honestly, it might be at this point. Yeah. Yeah. okay. So you're in the hospital and then, tell me what happens.

I know that song.

So, all right. So here's the lead up to the answer to this story. And this is a story in and of itself. So you remember I said that I, in the days leading up to my heart failure event, I was in DC Friday. I have a, we'll just call it a, you know, a black bag meeting with, intelligence community source. And it was roughly around noon on Friday.

Black Bag Meeting, you put your cell phone in a.

And a Faraday cage bag. Yep. And, this particular guy carries a Faraday briefcase. So our devices went in there.

And so.

He reveals something to me of not just blockbuster proportions with regards to the investigations that we've been working on, but it's really, really dark and tragic. And may even the,

impact of that knowledge that I received at noon on that Friday could have even accelerated what was coming on Sunday, two days later. when I finished that meeting, I called up our editor in chief at the blaze and told him that he had, there was no other choice, whatever he was doing.

He had to come meet me face to face.

leave his phone in the car and I would tell him what I just learned. So it's exactly what happened. So he picked a place, um, on the Virginia side of the river and, was dive bar that he knew about and middle of the afternoon. So there was nobody there and,

We left our phones in the car. He sat down. I told him what I had just learned. He's a good Catholic and he immediately crossed himself like five times. I mean, it was like, as soon as I told him what I had just learned.

So, the, the guy who has been the guy in Congress who has been the best at, and the most, on and in tune with in bird dogging, the, the pipe bomb story has been Congressman Thomas Massey. And I know Massey is a lightning rod. know he's

being vilified. mean, God, you know, yesterday the president's in Kentucky, you know, telling people not to vote for him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

embarrassing. Tunish, embarrassing, pathetic. I could go on.

Yeah. You and I both, and it doesn't matter how the people that are listening to us right now, think about Thomas. It doesn't matter. Okay. You know, you may hate. Because some of his recent votes, but at the very least honor him as a man of principle. I'll tell you something before I finish this story, I'll tell you something that Thomas Massey did when he won the, the Epstein file vote. And he, you know, that out of both houses of Congress and Trump signed that bill.

Only one Congressman voted against his bill. You know who it was? You remember?

hang on, Republican or Democrat, I like these games.

Republican.

voted against

He got, he got 100 % of the Senate vote voting for his bill to release the Epstein files. he got, statistically, you know, 99.9 % of the vote in the house. Only one. Congressman voted against.

What state?

Louisiana.

no, Kennedy, I'm sorry, he's senator. He's senator. Shoot, I don't know who that would be then.

It was clay Higgins and, and when, so when clay Higgins voted against it. Yeah.

I missed this.

Massey went up to him on the house floor and gave him a big hug and told him that he absolutely honored and respected him as a man of principle because Higgins problem was a procedural issue and not at the point of the bill.

Remember a clip like this now. Yeah.

And Thomas gave him a big old hug. He's the only guy that voted against his bill.

Yeah

You did what I would have done, Clay. That's probably what he was Yeah!

Exactly. Yeah. Your, your integrity inspires me. You know what I mean? Is that kind of thing. And that's what inspires me about Thomas Massey is his integrity. And, and so here's what happened. we were knee deep in this pipe bomb stuff. you know, last fall and the, my phone rings and it's Massey one day.

And course, since his wife had died, I had not heard from him. In fact, I had an appointment with him on the very day that his wife died. I was supposed to, I was, I was covering a trial or a hearing, and in the district courthouse on the other side of the Capitol building from the Rayburn office building. And, that morning.

And then I had like a one or one 30 meeting with Massey, and his office building. And so I start walking across the street, you know, about 30 minutes early and I'm, I'm halfway and it's a long walk. and I, I'm about halfway there and my phone rings and it's his chief of staff telling me, said, man, Hey, we're to have to reschedule this. The boss just got an emergency.

phone call back in Kentucky. He's, he just flew out of here like a bat out of hell. He's on his way home right now. Well, I come to find out the next day that his wife had died and he just got the phone call while I was walking to my meeting with him. So I had not heard from him since then. so we're in the middle. He's, know, in of this, you know, investigation at the blaze.

Myself, Johan, I'm in the rest of our team. we've released a few things, leading up to big disclosures. And all of a I get a phone call and you know, pleasantly surprised to see that it was Massey calling me. And he said, Hey man, just letting you know, I've been following your stuff and I, I want to, he said, I want to meet with you as soon as possible.

he goes, I have, he said, I haven't forgotten about it. And he said, but you know, since my wife died, he goes, I've kind of, you know, had to reschedule priorities. And then, know, cause that was a year and a half ago. And, he said, and of course, you know, I've gotten remarried since then. And he said, but he said, I'm back in it. And he said, I really want to be a part of this. And, and he said, by the way, he goes, I'm still not compromised. They don't own me.

Hehehehehe

And he's telling the truth about that. And so, um, he goes, let's get together as soon as you can. goes, where are you right now? I said, well, I'm actually in DC. And he goes, well, I'm in Kentucky. How long are you going to be there? And, I said, well, uh, when, when are you coming in? He goes, well, I'm not supposed to be there next week. And I said, well, I got to go home. And he goes, um, he goes, all right. Oh, this was before my heart thing. And he said, okay. Um, he goes, I'll fly in. He said, let me see if I can get a flight.

Out tomorrow. He said, you'll be in DC tomorrow. I said, I'll stay an extra day. And he said, okay, okay. I'll be there tomorrow. So he does, he gets an airplane and he flies out. We meet at his house for several hours. I updating them on everything that we had been working on. And then, and then he gets on a, and then he gets on a plane and flies out, you know, goes back to Kentucky for some, you know, fundraising or whatever he's got to, got to do. And then he's got another thing in.

in Florida. And so he's, know, but he flew to, he flew to DC just to meet with me to talk about our, you know, pipe bomb investigation. And so, now let's go back to the Friday before my heart failure. So I get this devastating, shocking news related to our, our investigation.

And, I send Massey a private message and tell him I can't and won't either text you or tell you about this on the phone, but there's something you have to know.

And he said, okay. well, he said, well, let's, let's see if we can, know, and Christmas is coming up. Well, Christmas is next week. And I, and it's exactly what I said to him. I said, that's fine. I said, I will come to Kentucky and I, know, it's that important. said, okay. So I go home on Saturday night, Sunday, I have my event.

I'm at the ER, they throw me into ICU. I have a scheduled procedure then on Monday, like 10 a.m. or something like that, where they're going in. Again, they're going in this time with lasers, you know, to shock my heart back into normal rhythm.

it's actually, this one wasn't the laser procedure, but anyway, they, they actually put a camera down your throat. They aim it at your heart. So they're going in this way, they aim it at your heart. And then, and then they find the spot where they believe is creating this arrhythmia, you know, thing and, irregular heartbeat. And then they shock you and try to shock it back into normal rhythm. Wow. What they call sinus rhythm.

That's a good band name right there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sinus rhythm. So, so I had that procedure in the morning and now that's full, that's full, general anesthesia. So they're knocking me out. So I'm talking, I'm texting with Massey on that Monday morning and he tells me this is before they knocked me out. I mean, I've got my phone with me and they're taking me down the, you know, to

surgery. And I've got my phone and I'm texting the Congressman and he's telling me that he found a flight and he will be there at the hospital that evening. Wow. And, and from where he lives in Eastern Kentucky, small airport, he couldn't get a direct flight into Raleigh. He had to fly into Charlotte and rent a car and drive

three hours from Charlotte to Raleigh to get there by, four o'clock.

And this is in the middle of the holiday season.

It's Monday of Christmas week. He leaves. He's home for, he's home for his family, right? Yes. Yeah. He has family at home. Wow. And, so he and his wife fly to Charlotte, rent a car. I'm having a procedure done under general anesthesia and I come out of it and the surgeon, the cardiologist.

And he's got family visiting,

is telling me what's going on and what they just did. Uh, everything is looking good. Uh, they got my heart back into normal rhythm, blah, blah, blah. Um, and I said, I said, can you clear the room? And he's like, what? I said, can you clear the room? Just you.

And he said, yeah. So he has everybody leave. And so I tell him that I need them to run additional toxicology, more advanced toxicology reports or examination and, that I need my reports, all of my, records forwarded to some guys outside of DC. And I'm trying not to, you know, sound like a, you know, schizophrenic, you know,

weirdo tin full hat guy. And, and he's like, he is exactly what he said. goes,

He said, do you, and I explained to him why, by the way, and he said, do you have anybody in your family that can verify or validate this story you're telling me? And I said, yeah, but I said, I won't need to. I said, the Congressman will be here in about two hours. You can ask him yourself. And he went, what?

Said yeah, he's on his way

And he was like, okay. Yeah. So Massey and his wife arrive about four o'clock. look like, you know, hell warmed over. and, I'm not even, I mean, I haven't even been in the hospital for 24 hours at this point. And, they show up in my room.

Very well then.

both he and his wife lean over and give me a big hug in the bed. And then they sit down there. My daughter's there. I have, one of my, had a sugar security guy there and, they, and so I proceeded to tell the story of what I learned on Friday and,

Then we sit around, sat around and we talked about other things and, they spent four, they spent four hours with me there in the, in the hospital. And then about eight o'clock, they went outside, got in the car and, drove back to Charlotte where they spent the night and caught their flight out the next morning, Tuesday morning. And I'm telling you, Keith.

I don't care what you think about Thomas Massey.

That was.

That was incredible what he did.

I don't know of anybody else in Congress that would have done that for anybody else other than maybe, close family member, a spouse or a child or something of that nature. And,

greatly greatly impacted me honored blessed thankful and soon i'll tell you what i told him

I just can't tell it yet. Don't have legal clearance yet. Sure.

Do I dare ask you for a timetable or we're not even doing that?

Can't can't even do that. Yep.

Understood. Okay. Well, we'll be following your reporting at theblaze.com. Don't forget. In fact, I'll retweet it right now. It's an easy to click link. It's got the search, searching for article search results, but I'm terrible at the English language. Anyway, all you have to do is click it and it'll take you to all of Steve's incredible work. And there is a ton to read. So,

Talk to me about where are we now with the J6 pipe bomber situation. Brian Cole remains behind bars, correct?

Yeah, he does. there's been a couple of, you know, motions filed by his defense team to get him released on pretrial release. the government has actually broken the law. have a story. Actually, it's not undermined. You have to go. I didn't participate in writing this story, but if you go look at Joe Hanneman's, bylines on blaze.com, I think it's maybe his most recent, story came out.

earlier this week, think, and, basically the government DOJ, our DOJ, our DOJ, has violated the law and keeping him behind bars. And he said, well, he's, he's a bomber. He's a terrorist, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, no, even, you know,

People accused of what he's accused of are innocent until proven guilty. And then there are processes that must be followed by the government. Just like if, you know, all of the other things when you hear about, you know,

everything that you you go through before the government arrest you and indict you and you know, put you in leg chains and all of those processes and procedures and everything that the government laws that the government must follow to even do those things have not been done in Brian Cole's case. And because of that, he should be released right now. And in fact,

That now has been appeal appealed to the circuit court there in DC. ruling could come any day, expect it later this month on that. But, but the, but the, primary, the primary issue though is, that a, he's not a, flight risk. The government itself admits and admitted in court that in fact, Brian Cole's union is not a flight risk. he's also not a danger to society.

His own neighbors are like, this kid is not a danger to anybody.

The FBI didn't think he was a danger. No, no, this is the alleged pipe bomber. built weapons of mass destruction, potentially targeted Kamala Harris for assassination.

All of this is on the table about the kid. He lives in the middle of a upper middle-class neighborhood in a cul-de-sac.

And when the FBI raided his house on the day that they arrested him, they did not even evacuate the neighbors, not even the next door neighbor, a 70 year old couple who the gentleman had a doctor's appointment that morning at nine o'clock and the FBI locked them in their home and wouldn't let them leave. Now standard operating procedure is that if you have

a terroristic danger to society who builds bombs in his basement and is going to unleash them upon the American people is you evacuate the block. Sure. At the very least they didn't even evacuate the next door neighbors. The FBI knew he wasn't a risk, but they're holding this kid.

But he's a mastermind of J6 pipe bomb fun. this is the, this is the arrest that was made on Dan Bongino's birthday, right? I just Googled it. So that would mean December 4th, according to the Google here. and check your Keith math here, ladies and gentlemen, always, always wrong. But I think tomorrow would be day 100 that Brian Cole.

Yeah, yeah, somehow, someway.

Yeah, something that.

has been behind bars. This is so un-American. This is the kind of stuff that you tell your kids. I'm sorry, let me back up. This is the kind of stuff you used to tell your kids. Boy, at least we don't live in that kind of country. I mean, this is wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. And then to portray, as you said, to pray, portray this kid as the mastermind, we've released a series of stories since then. one of the most significant stories that we released is that the two Capitol police counter surveillance officers who worked for the Intel division of the, of the Capitol police, when they were dispatched after the discovery of the first pipe bomb before one o'clock.

on January 6th at the Republican National Committee. Actually, it was behind the Republican club, is called the Capitol Hill Club, which is just next door to the RNC. The bomb was behind the Capitol Hill Club. And so when that bomb was discovered by a woman by the name of Carlin Younger, three different teams of

or three different pairs of counter surveillance, undercover, plain clothes, however you want to describe them, officers were dispatched to go look at and look for more suspicious devices or bombs. And this one particular pair, we have never named them. We do know their names. They were dispatched to look for devices. We captured them in their car arriving

At the Metro South station in DC, which is right across the street from the Capitol club and the RNC. We see them getting out of their car on capital CCTV video, and we follow their entire journey to where ultimately they found the bomb at the DNC under that bench up against the bushes at the DNC at 1 0 5 PM, five minutes after, one o'clock.

problem with them is on their journey. They didn't spend any time looking for devices at all. They were most of the time on their phone as they're walking down the sidewalk, just looking at their phone. They don't look in trash cans. They don't look behind fences. They don't look behind shrubberies. They don't look behind, anything under cars, nothing. They're not looking for devices at all. Instead, what they do is they walk past.

where the bomb is at the DNC. They literally walk straight past it, walk then to another bush at the congressional black caucus Institute. There's a bush there. make so they're beeline it to that bush and look under that bush. And then two and a half minutes later, they find the bomb under the DNC bush.

That's the only two places they looked. Now, why are those two places significant? Because it's the only two places the night before that the hooded mystery bomber sat down.

mystery bomber sat down at the congressional black caucus Bush first and then delivered the DNC device at and put it under that Bush while sitting on a bench. The only two places that person sat down on that person's journey the night before was those two bushes.

And that's the only two places those two counter surveillance officers check.

Or maybe those cops that were assigned to look for the bombs are clairvoyant. Maybe they're just like,

Or maybe they knew where they were supposed to find them, which means then that Brian Cole, he's a bomber had to be in coordination with in a conspiracy with the Capitol police or at least elements of the Capitol police.

So the bomber, seems like Brian Cole Jr., of course, the suspect here, is so.

Yes.

connected to the Capitol police that he was kind enough to tell them ahead of time so they knew where to look.

Yes.

Yes. A 25 year old black autistic kid was severe OCD was somehow coordinating in a conspiracy with the Intel division of the Capitol police. Uh, uh, because that's the only plate way that those officers would know where he sat the night or, and

It was only through his coordination with the Capitol police that he could possibly know where the blind spots were in capital CCTV camera. So he knew exactly where to park his car and where to go back and retrieve the bomb in the blind set for the second bomb, because even the FBI admits he only carried one bomb at a time. And he also had to know, which only the Capitol police would have known was the secret latch and gate in the behind the RNC on Rumsey court.

that he disappeared to outside of CCTV visage into the darkness of the night. No. We're a secret gate.

Yes, yes, but I think I cracked it. I think I cracked your case. You're ready for the new league? The evil mastermind in all this is his pet Chihuahua that he walks every day and I I I feel bad honestly I feel bad for him and the Chihuahua being separated for no good reason other than pure evil at this point, but I'm sorry I interrupted you to make a stupid comment about a dog

Yep, yep, yep.

Yes.

Well, the Chihuahua is probably, you know, an alien. and,

Yes, they are. You heard that Matilda?

Yes, they are aliens, especially Matilda.

Yeah, that's a fact. So what were you about to say? I'm sorry.

And in fact, some of the, some of the items that were key and used on the, had to be, there were essential elements of those two pipe bombs or just till after January six.

I cannot take this government.

Then Keith.

We found...

How is this not been thrown out?

We found his car.

at God, I'm to miss, I'm going to miss the time at 8 0 3 PM on the evening of the fifth, a mile from where the hoodie bomber was walking. His car is driving and turning on the interstate to depart DC.

How are able to piece that together?

The trim package of his car. Just when you talk about trim packages, you know, that means different types of lighting, different types of door handles, different types of trim. Uh, uh, you have, uh, there, there was that year, I think there was 17 different wheel options.

Okay. Two of those cars were completely different trim pack packages. And in one of those cars from capital CCTV, we could actually see, we got, we got a clear shot inside the window and we can see two white people in the front, in the driver's seat and the passengers.

But you just told me he was black.

He's black. We see his car. We found his trim package. It's on his car, but it's a mile away from where the hoodie is walking. Yeah. At the same exact time. And his car was getting on the interstate to depart DC.

Interesting,

But that's not where the bombs were placed. That's interesting.

But that's not where the bombs were placed.

And according to Google Maps, his car, where we saw his car and start and tracked his car, it would have taken him on normal average traffic time, seven to eight minutes to get to Folger Park, where the FBI claims that the hooded bomber parked the car.

How is the judge not throwing this out yet?

You don't have to answer that. Just know that your government is

I'm going to tell, I'm going to tell you, sucks. Joe, Joe and I were talking about this this morning and, the, the, the new story that we have filed, which is part three and our, kind of inconvenient truths about Brian Cole's arrest, part three, I'm hoping that it will be published on Monday morning. it is such a powerful, impactful takedown.

everything.

of the case against him. won't get into all it I don't want to steal the thunder of the piece itself. But I'm just telling you, Brian Cole is not the bomber. And, we talked about it this morning.

Agreed.

And we believe that this story may actually, well, as Joe put it, said in a perfect world in the same world.

Yes, I say this all the time. Preface it. Yeah.

With the release of this story, the judge should just throw the whole freaking case out. Look at the DOJ and FBI, chastise them, remand them back to the drawing board.

Honestly, a case like this in a sane world, in a world that makes sense.

Especially when combined with so many other stories and cases. It should be the end of the FBI.

I'm not going to, discredit or contradict that statement at

It should be.

Is that non-alcoholic? You're cracking open there?

I am, I am cracking open the athletic brewing company, run wild, non-alcoholic IPA.

You're gonna bring me some when you come to Dallas again, some of this non-alcoholic stuff, see if you can convert me.

we'll go out. They'll have it. I mean, they'll, they'll have it at the, the bars that you and I have gone to.

That's going to be fun. Just sitting around two guys drinking non-alcoholic brews.

And we can drink. No, here's, this is my fantasy, Keith. So since I've started these, I carry them in the car and in my car, I want to get pulled over. I want to get pulled over and I want the cop to say, so, you've been drinking. many, how many beers have you had tonight? I don't know. Eight or 10.

Yes.

I gotta pee man

And he's like, what's in your cup right there? I got an IPA. Let him smell it. Have him get me out of the car and have him make me blow.

right, yeah. Let's see.

I want to see the look on his face.

Yeah, yeah, until until the jokes on you, Steve. Mr. Baker, I didn't pull you over because you're drinking in the car. I pulled you over because I got a call from Washington that said make this guy's life a living hell. Right. OK, this is a there's a lot going on with this J six.

pipe bomber story and Brian Cold Jr. being behind bars for now 100 days as of tomorrow.

What is going on that we don't see? Maybe you're privy to, I don't know, with his attorneys, the family of Brian Cole, what are they doing to try to get him free where he belongs?

I'm really impressed, with what's happening. I actually, for the first time, two Fridays ago, I was able to put my eyes on Brian Cole. and when, and by the way, when I say two Fridays ago, I, I think, because seriously, that's one of the, one of the side effects of this cocktail that I'm on is I do have, it creates.

confusion, blurriness, memory lapses. so...

Joe, is it called Joe Biden disease?

Yeah, it's not quite that bad. I, know, it was just like a few minutes ago, was describing due process and I couldn't remember the phrase due process. And, so I don't remember whether it was last Friday or the Friday before, I think it was the Friday before there was a status hearing and Brian Cole's, case, there at the district court court in DC and I was there. And so I got to attend that.

And I got to lay eyes on Cole in person for the first time instead of by photography and videos. And I just get, mean, I probably outwardly went, I could not believe how small a man he is. he's a tiny guy and,

And of course his coordination, his walk, nothing resembles the pipe bomber, which, which is the primary thesis of our story. will at least say that about our story. part three of our story coming out is that nothing about his physicality, works. fact, our, our video expert, the open source video expert who's done so much of our video work for us. we, who we refer to as our matas. We don't use his real name.

per by his choice for security reasons. And, he, he says, he, told me, he said, he said Brian Cole's entire body is an alibi. I've extrapolated that and I've, I've, I've changed the last word and said Brian Cole's entire body is exculpatory. so either one, either one works. but that's the.

Hmm.

the thesis of our new story coming out. we get into a man we have, I mean, we have expert testimony. have law enforcement testimony. have, photography video. we have comparison videos that we're going to release that the world is not seen yet. and all of this is accompanying our new story, coming out next week. And so, with that in mind, going back to the courtroom issue, I got the

Got to lay eyes on Cole myself, but I also got to spend time with, and this answers your question, his legal team and his family. has an, he has a great family. His mom, his grandmother are just in just really, really quality human beings. they love him. they are committed to making sure that he is exonerated. They know, I mean, they know more than.

Anybody he didn't build any freaking pipe bombs

yeah, I mean we're all suspects if our Home Depot purchases, hell, our Home Depot purchases that happened after the date in question. What's the saying? You find me the guy, I'll find the crime or whatever.

Yeah. Show me the man. I'll show you the crime. I mean, look in this country right now, there are, I would, I won't put an exact number. We'll just say millions. Let's a million to 10 million garages, basement workshops and storage sheds on American people's property, their homes with those exact items.

say.

for all manner of reasons.

And it's like, if you were gonna do this, and if his motivation was, I'm so upset about the election, grrr, then everything should have been purchased between election day and January 6th, not three years, four years before, after the Dayton question. And this is absurd. I want the next 10 generations of Coles to live in luxury off of a lawsuit against this ridiculously evil government.

I agree. hope, I hope that they get a hundred million dollars. You know, I it's, know, yeah, I, I agree. what, what they have done to them is evil beyond evil. But anyway, I've met with the family. I spoke to the family members, spoke to the legal team. I get the sense that they're, they're very committed to this process of getting him fully exonerated.

I know that the government, obviously what the government is trying to do by keeping him and holding him illegally in pretrial detention is that because of his severe OCD, they're trying to sweat him out and wait him out, for a plea deal. They want him to plead out so he can at least, that he'll get some, you know, super special deal where either he gets a year in a

rehabilitate, you know, a luxury white collar rehabilitation facility or, you know, mental health facility that works that, you know, is specifically designed for people with his unique, abilities and that sort of thing. And, and then, and then maybe home detention for three years after that, or, know, something really, really, really, really special. And, and then of course, under the table.

a big fat fucking wad of cash. know, yeah, no.

Honestly, part of me wants this over for Brian Cole tomorrow. The other part of me wants this to go to trial so these sons of bitches can be under oath and caught in their dreadful lies in a courtroom. And I want punitive damages. I want this to hurt. And I want this to be the end of the FBI once and for all.

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you the government does not want us to go to trial. Absolutely do not want this discovery is a bitch. Yep. And the trial is even going to be a bigger, more nasty bitch. And they cannot, I'm going to tell you something else, Keith. And I've said this before. They cannot win this case in front of a DC jury. And everybody goes, that's not true. mean,

The federal government wins, you know, 99 % of their cases in front of a DC jury. Of course they can win this. No, they can't. A DC jury is not going to convict an autistic black kid with severe OCD. And I've had other people go, no, that's just not true. They convict black people all the time. said, really? Okay. I said, I, I,

I'm not going to name who, but I, had a dinner with a mainstream media correspondent, very well known, one of the biggest mainstream companies on the planet. Um, when I was in DC week and a half ago.

In fact, it was on the night of that court hearing that I was just talking about evening up.

And I told him that there was no way that a DC court would convict Brian Cole. And he goes, I don't know about that. And I, to which I said to him, I said,

There were two oath keepers that were,

Not convicted of their accused crimes. They were acquitted. I said, what was the unique and different characteristic of those two oath keepers compared to the others who were convicted for their January six crimes? And of course he knew the answer because he covered those trials. He said, the two black guys, said, yup.

Because you're going to get a 70 to 85 % minority jury in DC, extreme hard left voting record. 95 % of them will have voted for Biden and Harris. That's the jury pool. And they are going to see the, the, the evidence and the counter evidence. They're going to see the exculpatory evidence.

They're going to see his car a mile away from where the bomb was, bomber was walking. They're going to hear the story that, the only way you can absolutely convict Brian Cole is you got to, you got to come up, you got to prove that he was in the middle of and participating in a conspiracy with the intelligence division of the Capitol police, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right. This is a brother being a mentally challenged brother being railroaded by the man.

being railroaded by the

ain't a chance. And the government attorneys know this. The DOJ knows this. They cannot convict this kid. And they're going to have to jam this into a plea bargain deal of some type. That's the only way they win this. Cause a plea, a plea deal is guilt, right? It's an admission of guilt. don't get, you don't get the plea deal unless you admit to your guilt. And,

And so they're going to have to, they're going to have to do that in order for them to be able to go, okay, we solved the pipe bomber case and damn it. Now we do not have to go after the CIA and the Capitol police. Oops. Did I just say that?

I, you know, I am so, I'm sad. I'm sad to, to think what is happening to Brian Cole's mental state. The rest of his life is, mean, they're, they're stealing days from him for one, but the stress that he must be under the mental anguish and every day, you know, they're, they're, they're in there trying to get him to.

I mean, I guess they, yeah, what do we, what do we make? Cause whenever you talk to somebody that isn't following this, say, well, you confess. What do you need, man? What do you say to them?

I can show you the book cover of a book written that about, the fact that the highest percentage of those who, give false confessions and admit to crimes they didn't commit come from autistic individuals.

The highest demographic of false confessions come from autistic. Now this particular young man was interrogated for two hours, had all of these things put into his head. The FBI interrogators took a 20 minute break when they came back, his head was laying on the table and he raised his head up and said, okay, I'm ready to confess to everyone.

And then, and then, and then he said that he'd learned the route.

Of how he was going to, you know, place the bombs on the evening of the fifth from Google maps. let me tell you two things that are not on Google maps.

Placement of the blind spots of capital CCTV cameras nor is the secret gate.

that departs Romney Court into the garden of the Catholic Church in the darkness with no cameras on it were.

he disappeared into the night. That's not on Google maps.

But the Capitol Police would know where they were.

Whoa, where'd that come from? Brother, do not stop. Do not.

Not going to stop.

not stop pursuing the truth. Let me ask you this. You mentioned Brian Cole has a court appearance coming up soon. What is that for?

mean, he's got another scheduled, I don't think their next scheduled status hearing is until April 24th or something like that. I think I was there when they scheduled that. But there's a, his, his, the appeal of his pre-trial detention is now before the appellate court, the circuit appeals court. So.

Why do you think they didn't let him go home even under house arrest until the next?

Because they keep him in discomfort. He's more likely to accept a plea deal, you know, cause he is, mean, he is a literal, uh, five minutes to Wapner kind of guy. Yep. I mean, okay. So I interviewed, I interviewed the seven 11 store owner where for 13 years. Okay. This is you talk about five minutes to Wapner for 13 years that we know of because.

the store franchise owner who I interviewed in person at the store had owned that store for 13 years. And he said that they saw him every day for 13 years coming into the store where he would purchase two Coca-Cola's and a pizza.

for 13 years, always had his headphones on, never spoke, never interacted with anybody. The store owner said to me that in 13 years that Brian Cole may have said a grand total of three words to him in 13 years.

can't. It's sad. It breaks my heart, man.

This is a, this is a kid that his schedule, his habit, his walking the dog schedule, his headphones are his wooby. They might remember what the wooby is. You know, it's his, it's his security blanket because even the FBI allowed him to take his mugshot with his headphones right there, just like I have them right now around his neck. Probably.

right. Now you've never, never, I, I dare say that never in the history of, of the planet earth has law enforcement allowed somebody to do that before, but they probably tried to remove it and he probably freaked out or something. And,

Nope.

I don't know because I haven't asked his family. haven't asked his attorneys yet. Although I intend to what kind of accommodations that they're making for him. mean, certainly he's being held in solitary because they're not going to put him in the general population. I just don't believe that they would do that. he doesn't, he does not, comfortably interact with other people as testified to by the seven 11 store owner. would look.

Compromise on that.

You and me, if we, if we went to any place once a week or once a month for 13 years, we would know the staff we would have, they would become family, you know, whether it was a restaurant or a store, we would, and especially when it's the same people there for 13 years, is it's a family owned store and they're there. It's the same group of people there for 13 years. These are the, you know,

You will every day you walk in it's it's Hey, no, it's norm. Right. Right. Right.

afternoon everybody.

I mean my non-alcoholic beer that Steve keeps raving about.

Right. Right. And, and, and, know, and you chat about what's going on or what's happening today. How's the kids, how the family, how's your mom doing? It's great. send them my love. mean, you, you develop relationships like that. They're casual relationships, but they're friendly relationships over the course of time. But Brian Cole never did that as, as the seven 11 store owner told me that in 13 years, he met, said, he said, it's the same thing every day. He said he would always come up. He would get the same thing.

he would, he said on the days when we were out of Pete, know, cause seven 11 does run out of pizza. said on the days when there was no pizza in the rack, he said, I would always offer him, to make him a fresh one right then. And he said, he always denied it and got chicken wings instead. He said, so if they were out of pizza, which was rare, but on the days that they were out,

Th this was the routine for 13 years, always got his two cokes, got his pizza on the day that there was no pizza in the rack. Every single time he was offered fresh pizza, every single time he got wings instead. And then what every single day when he was checking out the clerk would always, or the owner would always say, Hey, thank you. And in 13 years.

Brian never acknowledged it, just would walk out the

Preacher of habit. Yeah. I've missed a Wapner. Yeah. And so that's what they're trying to do. I can't. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I'm going to, I'm going to think that amongst the jail, the jailers, there has to be some humanity there and that there are, they are making some accommodations for him. That's, that's what I'm hoping.

It's enraging.

hope you are right. Do you know, and I am just checking right now, do you know if there is his family, have they set up anything like a GoFundMe or anything for his legal fees?

It's my knowledge, no, and that is that it is an issue. They are up against the deep state in this, you know.

yeah, that's right. that's right. Because they'll just confiscate your money as part of your punishment as we learned from J6 Defendants. Yeah.

They're up against, they're up against the deep state. and our DOJ,

So they're fighting against an unlimited, you know, resource of funds to prosecute him. I know that finances are an issue in terms of coming up what's necessary to win this battle. So yeah, I don't know. And again, I don't know.

So they're trying to wait out the family, basically.

if they have done anything either in the background. I haven't seen and we're not aware of it. And I think we would be aware because we certainly would be promoted in it. And then, you know, then everybody says, so you guys are just activist journalists. Yeah. In the Brian Cole case, I am an activist journalist. Thank you.

Yeah, ditto. Okay. Yeah, congratulations. If you're at work right now, or you went to work today, your tax dollars are hard at work prosecuting the individual that Steve Baker just described. Okay. Last question for you on this. If this does play out and continues along its merry trajectory toward a trial, it any way to predict when this would become?

A public trial?

No.

These things can be drawn out. know, there, there could, mean, there could be a trial by the, you know, this year, if it gets that far, it could take two years. these things can be drawn out by either the government or the defense team, depending upon who thinks they have the advantage, the disadvantage of by, by more time, that sort of thing. and you know, you don't.

You don't want the defense team drawing this out two years. If he's being held in pretrial detention, right? On the other hand, on the other hand, if he's in home detention at his grandmother's house, as she has offered, then, then heck yeah. you know, and, and by the way, remember I mentioned, I don't, I don't see that there's any reason why he just can't go home. I live with his mother, because his own neighbors love him. They don't, they don't, they don't, they don't fear him at all. They don't consider him a risk.

The reason why they don't consider him as risk as one of his neighbors, a law enforcement individual, the way, who has lived there just a few doors down from him for 10 years. And he and his wife have seen him Brian walking the dog, the Chihuahua every day, twice a day for 10 years. Have said when they saw the video, just even the few seconds of video that the FBI has released of the, you know, the

The hooded bomber. They're like, they're like, mean, it's like, it's a joke to them. They know, they know the neighbors know he is not the bomber because they know how he walks. Right. And it's not the hoodie bomber. And, uh, I'm trying, I gotta be careful on some of the things I can say and can't say for a variety of reasons, but, um, this, this law enforcement,

individual neighbor who I have personally interviewed standing on his front porch, just doors down from Brian Cole's house. Not only does he say there's no way that this is the bomber, but he describes in great detail, you know, the awkwardness of how Brian moves, how he walks,

how he does not interact with people, the neighbors, you know.

We're all, you know, it goes back to what I said about going to a store every day for 10 or 13 years or whatever. You get to know the people you talk to them. You have a conversation with them, you know, maybe about the weather being be about what's in the news that day, maybe about your own family, but they get, you get to know each other. And that kind of relationship is not something that Brian builds people outside of his home or even in the rest of the neighborhood.

He's walking the dogs every day, but he doesn't stop and interact. He's, he's isolated. And this is what that is. What the neighbor told me is he's isolated in his headphones and that's all he's in his own world. Five minutes to what?

Well, I he's plotting his next pipe bomb situation. So, OK. Give us a little tease of what we can expect in this part three of the J6 pipe bomber story coming up. what? In a few days, hopefully.

Hopefully Monday. Okay. Sometimes when we, you know, when we file a story of this magnitude on a Thursday, there's no way they want, you know, they don't want to release it on Friday because Friday's, know, the worst day for a story. and Monday's not necessarily the best day. They'll hold it till Tuesday, but it should be early next week, assuming that this story itself clears legal and clears.

You know, five layers of editorial review and all of the other things that our stories after have to clear. Um, uh, so, uh, know, Monday or Tuesday. And, and, and, and, I said earlier, the of this story is that if you measure the physicality of Brian Cole to the person that the FBI has shown us a few seconds of video.

thesis

I rock that so.

That even using the few seconds that they've shown us, it ain't him. And by the way, we have a lot more than a few seconds.

Ha yeah, it's a very limited video. I'm glad you mentioned that. Has any of that video been manipulated at all, you think?

Absolutely. A percent proven. really? Frame rate reduction. why would they do that? Aspect ratio reduction.

It seems like when they were looking for the suspect, you would want as clear of a picture as possible to share with the public to maybe pick up on details that someone might recognize.

If you reduce it to one frame per second, then you get claymation stop action and you don't get to actually see how they're walking.

Okay.

You don't get to see how they're walking. and then maybe if the quality of the video isn't as sharp as it needs to be, maybe you miss out on some of those identifying details as well, huh?

Yeah, but when you, when you do the real work and you do the hard work and you go out there with a tape measure.

And you measure the pavement and you measure the concrete blocks and you measure the bricks and you measure the gutters and you measure the grass between the curb and the sidewalk and you measure the identical bricks that the bomber stepped on. Even the stop action thing. you can get.

things like stride length, shoe size, and you can get even more detailed information about gait because you get to see where and how feet land. You get to see whether they have a duck walk or their pigeon toes.

Well, isn't that something? There's one last question before we go. Kara just asked, could it be Walter Masterson? That's the guy who we saw on J6 dressing up into so he would look like a Trump supporter. If this is who I'm thinking of, I may be wrong on this. I think he's the guy who headed over to the Capitol or was suspected of headed over the Capitol. I don't know exactly, but

and then appeared in the video in New York in front of Gracie. it's not, so it's not Walter Masterson.

The answer is no.

Yeah, interesting. You said that very definitively.

I

All right. Very well. Steve Baker, incredible reporter on top of all aspects of this case. You have done so much impressive and difficult work and to the the extent that it is affected your health. And my dog right now, Tanner, he's upset that he tell I'm wrapping up the show. He's sad that you're leaving us here. But please keep us updated on everything. Follow Steve at Steve Baker USA.

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Always, always welcome and always a pleasure for me as well. Thanks, Keith.

Thank you so much brother. Okay, so guys 22 hours from now we'll do the Friday live stream. We'll have some fun and like I said if Kelly, if Kelly's not here, see that I got the Iranian inspired thing for Kelly and Rebecca and go and enjoy a alcoholic free beer tonight and think of Steve.

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Yes. You're not the only one that needs a sponsorship. All right, everyone be safe tonight. We'll see you tomorrow, 22 hours from now. Bye Thanks, buddy.