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You Are a Human Being, Not a Human Doing with Nataly Kogan
Episode 10027th March 2022 • The Big Self Podcast • Big Self School
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Burnout has become one of the most talked about workplace and life topics, and its impact is far-reaching. But too much of the conversation is focused on the problem vs. what we can actually do to break free from burnout.

In her new game-changing, self-illustrated book, THE AWESOME HUMAN PROJECT: Break Free from Daily Burnout, Struggle Less, and Thrive More in Work and Life Nataly makes a compelling case that while challenges in life are constant, struggle is optional. She offers us proven science-backed and engaging methods to help us break through the cycle of “daily burnout,” as she defines it -- methods which have already transformed over a million people and counting. Nataly’s book is intensely personal and written as a response to her own journey as a refugee who viewed struggle as a way of life. After achieving tremendous success in the corporate and startup worlds, Nataly suffered a debilitating burnout, which taught her a powerful lesson: You can’t give what you don’t have.

We are delighted to have Nataly on for our 100th episode and our final guest for the first quarter of 2022.

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Time Stamps:

3:09--Why Nataly and her parents fled the former Soviet Union in 1989

8:20--How Nataly went through a debilitating burnout

10:40--Nataly's experience with startups and struggling, and the difference of challenge

15:12--Getting emotionally fit, and how Nataly found her way

18:20--How Nataly realized she wasn't just her brain (and learned to talk back)

22:40--The five ways to keep emotionally fit (in a nutshell)

29:00--For people who are moving into burnout in a pretty deep way right now

34:00--Normalizing self-care as a priority at work

38:45--You don't need to burnout to learn, but you probably need an interruption

41:41--Playing it forward and asking, "How do you want to experience your life?"

45:15--What Nataly hopes you'll takeaway from her book

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