In this inspiring episode, Kate sits down with one of her favourite humans, Dana Shalit - entrepreneur, philanthropist and impact consultant - for a heartfelt conversation about purpose, alignment, and what it truly means to create a life that reflects who you are.

Dana is the author of Pathways to Self: The Path to Purpose, a powerful guide that introduces nine steps to self-realization - a framework designed to help people reconnect with who they truly are and create a life of meaning, authenticity, and purpose. In this conversation, Kate and Dana explore each of the nine steps and how they can become a roadmap for living a more conscious, aligned life.

Together, they unpack the common misconception that purpose is something you have to find "out there," and instead reveal how purpose unfolds through self-trust, courage, and the willingness to follow what feels deeply true - even when the path doesn't make logical sense.

Drawing from Dana's book, lived experience, and years of guiding others, this conversation is filled with practical wisdom and heartfelt insights for anyone navigating change, questioning their next chapter, or feeling the quiet pull toward something more.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• Dana's nine-step framework for self-realization from Pathways to Self: The Path to Purpose.
• Why purpose isn't something you discover - it's something you grow into.
• The relationship between inner healing and meaningful impact.
• How to distinguish fear from genuine intuition.
• Why letting go of certainty creates space for possibility.
• The courage required to choose an authentic life over an expected one.
• How living in alignment creates a life of greater peace, fulfillment, and purpose.

This is a beautiful conversation about coming home to yourself, trusting your own path, and remembering that your purpose isn't something waiting to be found - it's revealed every time you choose to become more fully yourself.

About the Guest:

Dana Shalit is an entrepreneur, impact consultant, and philanthropist with over two decades of experience in the charitable sector. She is the Founder and Chief Impact Officer of House of Impact, a strategy and consulting firm supporting the next generation of wealth stewards through values-aligned giving and impact strategy. Her upcoming book, Pathways to Self: The Path to Purpose through the Nine Steps of Self-Realization (August Release) reflects on how a deeper relationship with Self can align us with our authentic purpose and activate our unique contributions to the world.

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Kate Harlow is the founder of The Unscriptd Woman, the creator of The Expanded Love Coaching Method, and host of The New Truth podcast - ranked in the top 1.5% globally. With over 15 years of experience teaching, coaching and facilitating transformational retreats worldwide, Kate has helped hundreds of thousands of women break free from outdated relational patterns, old patriarchal ways of thinking and unspoken rules to live by.

Her infallible methods guide women to release the deeply ingrained scripts that keep them stuck- empowering women to step into their highest, most magnetic, and fully expressed selves. Through her coaching, retreats, podcast and upcoming book The Unscriptd Woman, Kate is redefining what it means to be an empowered woman in today's world, showing women how to stop waiting for permission and start creating a life and love that aligns with their deepest truth.

Known for her rare ability to see exactly where women are out of alignment with themselves, Kate offers a path back to unwavering self- trust, meaningful joy and true fulfillment. Her work is a revolution - one that liberates women from societal expectations and invites them into a life of radical authenticity, thriving relationships and unshakable self-worth.

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You learn how to feel your feet in the ground,

the wind in your hair, taste what you're tasting, smell what

you're smelling, hear what you're hearing, and I think

that's why I also fell in love with Costa Rica the way that I

did, because it's very much an assault on your senses, like you

have no, there's so much happening in nature around you

here that you have no option except to be in the present

moment, anchoring into it, and so for me to become, you know,

to really learn how to express, I had to get quiet enough to

listen to, are these my desires or are these the desires that

have been painted in front of me, and honestly, most of my

desires were not my own,

that's the thing, like so many women come to me

are like, "Sus, what I want. I'm like, "It sounds like the script

that everyone wants. Like, how do you know it's what you want?

And it's like they're fighting, they're fighting, they're

fighting. It doesn't mean you're not going to have those things,

but like, so often, like, we haven't even really tapped into

our desires and explored it.

Hello, beautiful. Before you get into this week's incredibly

powerful conversation and episode. I wanted to share a

little bit about my very special guest, one of my favorite humans

on planet Earth, Soul Sister, powerhouse badass Dana Shalit

who is an entrepreneur, an impact consultant, and a

philanthropist with over two decades experience in the

charitable sector. Dana is one of my expanders in my life. When

this woman came into my life, I was like, oh my god, we need to

spend time together. She is so powerful, always evolving,

expanding, has created the most magical life, lives in Costa

Rica, runs or owns a retreat center, is just like growing and

expanding, and has built so much success, but from her soul, not

from her patterns. So she's just one of the most inspiring people

I've ever known. She's the founder and chief impact officer

of the House of Impact, which is a strategy and consulting firm

supporting the next generation of wealth stewards through

values aligned giving and impact strategy, and she's just

recently written a book that comes out in August called

Pathways to Self: The Path to Purpose through the nine steps

of self-realization. So, in this episode, we go through these

nine steps, and she shares what they are, and it's the most

powerful conversation. May her energy expand you like it

expands me, a woman truly living in alignment with her soul gifts

and with the magic and magnitude of who she is, so that is my

intention of having Dana on again, and women like Dana is to

expand what you believe is possible and to shift you on a

frequency level, so maybe listen to this episode a couple times,

share it with every woman you know who is ready for so much

more. Enjoy. Hello, my loves. I am over the moon exhilarated. I

just told Dana that I every episode that I have an

conversation with a guest, I always say I always start by

saying I'm so excited. Catherine used to say I'm so pumped. Now

I'm saying I'm over the moon exhilarated, because that is

very accurate. I have on one of my besties, soul mates, and

favorite humans on planet earth. This is her second time on the

New Truth Podcast. Hi, Dana. Hi, my love. So good to be here

again. Welcome back. When were you on the new truth the first

time? Do you remember? I do.

It's been about four years, because we were in..

we weren't in Costa Rica at the time, I think. Were we together?

I can't remember. I think we might have filmed it together.

Oh, were we living together at the time,

think so.

I think so too. I recall we were in this house in

Costa Rica. We lived together as a brief, brief time for a month

or something. Yeah, immediate besties, 88% compatible on the

match matrix, which is a compatibility test. It's. I

don't even think it's called the battery matrix anymore, but

the pattern..

oh no, it's not. Okay, we are also highly

compatible on the pattern. No, the match matrix was something..

it's definitely based on astrology and some other things.

But, anyways, regardless, we were 88% maybe it was 90% but

I'll never forget this is important, because also this

episode, yes, it's about purpose, but purpose is equals

alignment, and you know, aligned sisterhood is essential for

women to live a life of alignment, and so I just think

back to all the moments with you, like this moment on the

couch, where I read it, must have been the pattern. I read

the pattern out loud to you, and what our compatibility was on

the pattern. Sidebar, if you don't know the pattern, it's an

astrology app. I highly recommend it. And I was reading

our compatibility on the pattern, and Dan, I was bawling.

I just felt so seen.

By you and by the pattern, and witnessing how seen

I felt in the relationship with you.

Yes, it was just like described us to a T, and we

were both like, oh my god, this is so amazing. If you have any

friends that you are low compatible with on the pattern,

maybe it's a flag. No, just kidding, but, but yeah, I've

just have so many highlighted moments with you. Oh yeah, I

remember Italy. My only downside with Italy was I've had eczema

on my face ever since that trip in 2020 A lot of

gluten, we

ate a lot of gluten, that was 2024 We had

five days of gluten, and then I've had a rash on my face ever,

that's two years ago.

Wow,

that's actually quite crazy, that that's two

years ago.

And that's where we were writing together on that

trip. We did a writing workshop together in Florence. And

okay, so Dan and I did a write, this is classic,

y'all. I know you're all thinking, where's my book? It's

on hold, but Dan, Dan, and I did a writing workshop together, and

she wrote and published a book. When does your book come out?

august 18.

Did you tell our writing teacher?

No, not yet. I should tell her. My

gosh, you need to tell her. So we were in

Florence, and we met up there for five days. That was such a

magical time, and we and I didn't get the eczema till the

very end, so I got to just enjoy the gluten five days. We went to

this beautiful.. that was such a sweet day. One day writing

workshop with, oh my gosh, what's her name? Yes, Lisa.

Lisa, we'll get back to you on her last name. Anyways, it was

an amazing workshop. She does these incredible writing

workshops. It was such a sweet day, and Dana was working on her

book. Your book is called Pathways to Self: The Path to

Purpose. And so we're going to be unpacking the principles of

Pathways to Self today and The Path to purpose, but you were

just in the beginning phases of your book, and here you are

publishing it. Happened like I'm so fucking proud of you. Thank

you, thank you. It's so exciting, it's.. it's

exciting, and it's one of the more vulnerable things I've ever

done in my life. I'd say,

yeah, I get that. Yeah, I think that's my barrier.

It's like every time you sit down, it is vulnerable.

Yeah, and I will say, with five years in the, in

the process, so even when we did our writing workshop, I had

already been working on it quite a while. Yeah, and I had, I had

started, I put my work into a writing competition, which had

me sort of move away, like move towards that desire to actually

get it published, so it was a process too.

Yeah, amazing, so powerful. So, I mean, I'm sure

we'll talk lots about your book, but I'm so happy you're here,

and I'm so excited to talk about this topic. This I just did that

Kenya retreat in February. I had six women come out here at, and

we went to Olopangi, and on a magical adventure, and that

retreat, the theme was purpose, and now my, like, I just shared

with you, my oh hi retreat, the theme is purpose, and this is

it's so up for all the women I'm working with now, I feel like

with all the astrological changes and all the awakenings

that are happening now, people are having a hard time forcing

themselves into places that they're not aligned anymore,

like jobs. So, yeah, where do you want to start? Pathways to

purpose take us there.

Yeah, so the way the sort of the subheading that

I call is the past, the path to purpose through the nine steps

of self realization, and so in the book I talk about my nine

steps, it's a teaching memoir, so my very untraditional journey

of, you know, getting to myself, which is where I am now, living

in Costa Rica, living what feels like my utmost purpose, giving

back, and really feeling like the last 20 years of my life led

me to this moment, and it's exactly where I'm meant to be,

and I have no idea where it's going to go from here, but the

first step in all of that started with like a spark of

self-awareness, and it was very unexpected at the time, I was

living downtown Toronto, producing events, working 100

hour weeks, I had my own business and company producing

pretty much charitable fundraisers, fashion shows, very

glitzy, very glamory on Instagram. If we had it back

then, it would have looked incredible. But in real life, I

was suffering, I was suffering a lot, and I had, and I had panic

attacks and anxiety, and it was like the first time in my life

where I said to myself, like, there must be something else out

there for me. I would say that was like the through line of my

journey. And a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to do a

subconscious deep dive, and asked if I would do a past life

regression with her. She was a psychotherapist, and asked if

she could dig me deep into my subconscious, and I was like,

sure. I was a yes person, so I said, sure. And that's how it

all began. Wow, that's so wild to think of you in that. I mean,

okay, on one hand, I totally could picture it, because you're

a manifesting generator, and you have so much energy, and you're

such a badass. Like, you are absolutely one of my biggest

role models when it comes to business and purpose, and, and

just like power, like a woman fully in her embodied feminine

power, and so I can absolutely see you in that too, and imagine

that life for you.

Did people know that's interesting? You just

said that, because I just had a chat with a client, and she was

saying how sometimes she's around these women, and she's

like, am I the only one who has problems? They just seem like

they have it all together. I'm like, they do not. Nobody,

everyone's pretending to have it all together, because we've been

taught to pretend. So, just, just want to unpack that a

little bit, because I imagine a lot of women will relate to

that. Like, even having a job that is pretty cool, you know,

sparkly glitz and glamor. Did people know how you were

feeling? And, like, take us to that time in your life a little

bit.

No one knew how I was feeling. Wow, yeah, no one.

I don't even think I knew, because at that point in my

life, I was like, if I just do the next thing, if I just

achieve, make the next paycheck, if I just throw the next epic

fashion show, or travel to the next exotic destination, then

I'm going to feel whole. It was very external, the whole, my

whole living experience was, if something out there gets fixed,

I'll be better inside. So I just kept trying to fix the outside.

Okay, that's relatable, I'm sure, for a lot.

Yeah, like the next, the next thing, it's that, yeah, it's

that like carrot, that dangling carrot that we never get to eat,

and society sets it up like that, a little bit,

right? Like we all, and that's why I think so many women in

midlife, after you know, getting the job, having the partner,

doing the kids, getting the fence, like the house, the, you

know, it's it's like it's the, it's the fantasy of that you

speak so beautifully about, that we all have a version of it,

until we.. I think it was Jim Carrey that said, "I wish

everyone could be a millionaire to know that's not the answer.

It's like that kind of vibe. I wish everybody could get it all.

For me, it was professionally.. it wasn't necessarily as much on

the personal side, but professionally I had it all, and

quotations.

Yeah, wild. Okay, so you go down this deep dive

with the psychotherapist, and it is so amazing. I love that

you've always been a yes woman. You're the best. Love you. I'm a

yes girls. I've had yes, like most people in that position in

that job would be like, what? No, that sounds weird, and I

don't believe in past lives, and what is that? But what I've

heard about past life regression, is even if you

don't, because a part of us will never believe, right? Because we

train for that, and you've been trained to not believe in the

unseen world, even though it's literally the thing that's like

creating everything, but we've been trained so deeply and

continue to be trained to not listen to that, so I've heard

that even if you don't believe it to be true, that it still

works if you're open enough to go through the process.

Yeah, it was. It was unlike anything I had ever

experienced. Essentially, she, she was so calm, she said, we're

gonna get into a deep meditative state together, and you're just

gonna allow your mind to wander, and I, you know, and I have

become a, I'm a practicing, I have become a practicing

hypnotherapist since then, and I did study past life regression

work. It's not what I lead with, but I have done it, and what I

do when I work with clients is I actually give them full

permission to make it up. So, like, give your mind full

permission to make it up. If your mind can make up an entire

life on the spot with a, you know, with these huge inflection

moments, with a death scene, with huge aha spiritual moments,

that I'm here for it, even if it's the most creative Steven

Spielberg of all time, I don't actually need to prove that it's

right, all I can speak about was that the experience of reliving

or creating this life that was so different from mine, just by

going into a deep meditative state? She was just asking me

questions about what I'm seeing, hearing, experiencing, and it

was, it was so different that I came out of that regression with

so much lightness in my heart, and things that were so

unexplainable to me before, like this deep loneliness that I felt

was just gone. I can't even say, other than it felt like a

balloon that popped, that that loneliness is not mine anymore.

It's not mine to carry, and so if that's the path to get there,

I'm there for that. I'm here for that.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. Amazing. So, that was so..

so can you take us through the nine steps? Like, is that one of

the steps? Was that the first step?

First step is so.. yeah, the knock on the door, the

moment where you start to say things the way they are don't

work for me, there must be something else out there for me,

and you start. You separate between the thoughts in your

mind, the, you know, we say we have 50 to 60,000 thoughts that

go through a brain every day, over 95% of them are repetitive,

that's how our brain works,

right? Not true,

and yeah, they're based on limiting beliefs and

patterns, the societal constraints, and there's so much

to unpack there. So I think self-awareness is that first

spark that says what my mind is saying and thinking is not

necessarily the truth, and the only truth, and so, and even

what I'm feeling is not necessarily the only truth. So

it starts with self awareness, and then it moves into self

trust, and that's, you know, for me self trust was about starting

to follow the synchronicities, and starting to trust that even

though I'm not exactly where I want to be, and exactly where I

should be.

Wait, were those that was two? Yeah, number one

is awareness, number two is self trust. So, trusting this moment,

even if my life looks like yours, where I'm working 100

hours, I'm hanging by a thread. I'm anxious as fuck that this

moment, too, is exactly where I'm meant to be, because you

couldn't be anywhere else, like, and there's that many sliding

door

moments, like in life, and I'm sure you can talk

about so many. Like, for me, there was I speak about a moment

in university where I don't get back into my program by point

zero 4% and there was like nothing I could do about it.

They wouldn't let me back in the program, and so I ended up

taking an art program, and you know, starting to paint as part

of my degree, and I ended up selling all that art and

traveling all over the world. And during that time, I took one

philosophy class, which introduced me to the Celestine

prophecy and the whole theory of energetics, and so, like, if

that point zero 4% hadn't happened, if that door hadn't

slid one way, my whole life could have been so different,

and so trusting those little nuggets along the way as much as

you don't like.

Okay, I don't think I even knew that, that

Assyrian art,

and then it traveled the world. I got this,

like, I still have goosebumps, they're like rippling. This is a

really prolonged goosebump experience that is amazing. And

I actually only watched, if you have not seen the movie Sliding

Doors, watch it. I only watched it recently in Kenya, in the

tent, when I was at Olopengi, and I, because it was for sale

for like 399 or something on iTunes or Apple, so I bought it,

and I watched it, because there was no Wi-Fi in the tent, and I

watched it, and I was like, "Shit, this movie's so good,

because it is, it's that's it, you go this way or that way, and

we can't really make a wrong choice if we're meant to awaken,

life will keep redirecting, redirecting, and maybe some

people never like, they keep going that way, that way, that

way, but yeah, oh my gosh, that is amazing.

It was, it's, and I have a lot of those kind of

experiences I try to touch upon in the book, but I think we can

all look back at our lives and see those moments where we

thought, you know, even you work with, you know, so many women

who have these, you know, these horrible heart-wrenching

heartbreaks in their life, and thinking that, you know, you're

never going to recover from these inflection points. You

know, I thought I was never going to recover from that

point, point zero 4% I didn't tell my parents about that for

over a decade, that's how shameful I was, and they were

like, they didn't care, ultimately, but because I found

another way back in, but it was so big for me in my 20s, I

thought my life was going to end, you know, and so those

moments I have the tattoo on my arm that says this too shall

pass, you know, the good, the bad, it all will pass, so that's

what that is about for me.

Oh, that is so amazing, and I feel like a great

little practice could be for women listening, could be like

write down those moments, like for me, like not being able to

get on the airplane. Okay, I've told that story 4 million times,

but to go to Costa Rica, I was supposed to go meet my parents

in California, and then go to Costa Rica for the winter in

2022 and I couldn't get on the plane because Covid red zone

blah blah blah, and then ended up moving to Greece, and like

those moments happen all the time. I even think like you miss

an elevator, like even think about 911 like all the people

that didn't go to work, or just felt like skipping work, or had

some reason why they, they didn't go to work that day, so

many stories. So, I think that would be a great practice for

this step, because I know most women don't trust themselves,

and don't, in my experience, when I start working with them,

because we've been taught to not trust ourselves, but all, and

don't trust life, but all those moments that life redirected

you, and you, and you ended up on a path that was, you know, so

much more aligned for you. I think that'd be a great little

practice.

I love that. I love that. I can't wait to hear the

comments of the people who talk about their experiences, and

it's also something to be witnessed in that, because,

like, someone. Say to you, what, that's crazy, and you're like,

yeah, that is crazy. Now that I think about

it, yeah, yeah, because if you just keep it

inside, you might not even realize how amazing it is, but

those are like the guy that broke your heart, but then you

ended up attracting much healthier love, or whatever,

like there's so many of them, yeah. Share them, and then I

mean, I don't go to the New Truth Facebook group very often,

but I can if you share them in there or send us a private

message. I would love to hear those stories.

I love that.

Okay, what's number three?

Self discipline, so you know it's about to me, self

discipline is still it's the practice of doing the things

that are as easy not to do as they are to do, and I really

think it is an important, integral part of achieving

anything we want to achieve in life, and definitely in terms of

coming back to our authentic self, because it's, you know, I

think so many of us, when it comes to some manifestation

practices, it's a very passive experience, and so for me,

self-discipline, the path towards finding my purpose, and

that included, you know, leaving that company that I built

behind. For me, it meant moving into - I actually moved into the

network marketing industry for over a decade, where I saw at

that time that that was going to be my path to achieving my

purpose, which I really thought was going to be, which was

always philanthropy and giving back. I always wanted to be a

philanthropist. I just didn't know how to get there, and so

when I found network marketing, I learned that self-discipline

was actually the path for me to not only have success in that

area of my life, but all areas of life, so things like morning

routines and evening routines and gratitude lists and

self-full practices, meaning giving to myself that which I

seek from the outer world. All of those became part of my

self-disciplined habits.

I love that. You know, I remember in a human

design reading a long time ago, I was told I don't have, like, I

have undefined willpower, heart, which in human design is

willpower, and they're like, oh, it's going to be harder to

commit to yourself, or like, have willpower, that is okay,

maybe it was true, because it used to be hard, but now it's

like, the more I find, the more you do it, the more you want to

do it, because it feels good, so it's like I've then become

addicted, for lack of a better word, to my meditation

practices, to going to, I mean, here it's Dojo, before it was

Pilates, before it was bar, but it's like having those things

and doing those things that actually feel good. It might be

hard to commit and devote and discipline in the beginning, but

once you like hit the I don't know 21 days to build a habit or

whatever, once you go through the the more challenging first

beginning of the journey, in my experience it becomes so, so

much easier because you become addicted to feeling good rather

than feeling shitty,

and it's like a muscle, like everything else, so

like you're exercising a muscle, and then that muscle. I love

actually using the word addicted. I've had to become

addicted to becoming a gym girl. This is only something I've done

in the last two years, and one way I did that, because one

thing I know, but the mind is that it's always going to move

towards something joyful and away from something not joyful,

so when you are building a habit, there's always going to

be this moment of, like, actually doesn't always feel

good to be at the gym, because I'm exercising my muscle. So I

started listening to books at the gym, but like fantasy books,

so that, like, I can't wait to know what is coming next up. So

I'm like, oh, I have to go to the gym to listen to my book,

and all of a sudden I'm two hours there, and I'm just taking

my time, and I'm loving my life, so you know, creating habits

that are joyful, so you don't necessarily want to do it, but

your morning routine is so joyful, because every part of it

is so curated for your joy that you can't even imagine not doing

it anymore,

like your butter coffee with protein in it. Oh my

gosh, every time I've ever stayed or lived with Jana, I

wake up to this little, what's it called, what's the coffee

thing called, the percolator? Yeah, it's like, and she's got

like the butter, it's.. I don't know if it's cinnamon, and it's

like protein, and I love butter coffee. Some people think it's

disgusting, but I feel like you haven't tried it. If you think

it's disgusting, it's so good, and it stops this coffee from

spiking your blood sugar. So, actually, it's way better for

you, because the coffee, it likes the caffeine, doesn't hit

your system in the same way, so you don't crash after. But,

anyways, that's a little education about buttercup, but

that, like that ritual, like you do, you have all these like

little morning rituals that are sacred, that are non-negotiable,

and I love that, that's the best about the fantasy books at the

gym, that's so smart,

it works, so the mind will always move towards

what, towards joy. So, when you make your routines, or your

habits, or the disciplines, when they become a devotion, so,

like, mornings are for delicious coffee, and meditation music,

and lighting an incense, and 10 minutes on your own, if that's

all you have, it's really about reclaiming the discipline, is

not reclaiming your actions, it's about reclaiming your

power, of like, I can actually bring what I want into my life.

It's, it's not more about doing, it's about the being of it all.

Yes, and having the discipline to, I mean, that

word's used so much in martial arts, right? That in how

connected martial artists are, or monks to their meditation

practice, to their, to their help, and how present you have

to be, and I mean, really, disciplines about presence too.

It is, you think, about like professional

athletes, like it's not about any end goal, it's about the

consistent action, the things that are as easy to do as they

are not to do. It's in the book, The Slight Edge, I think it was,

they talked, they showed like a graph where the same actions

every day can align, but like that point that 1% will start to

skew the the arc over time. That's what discipline is about.

So, when I talk about business coaching, for example, I say

like you create your discipline and you choose something that is

just stretches your muscle just enough, but it is like you can

absolutely do that every single day. It is like it's just a

choice at this point if you're doing or not. Sometimes when we

said those really big goals and you're like, I'm gonna make $100

million this year, it like really it paralyzes us, right?

So, like, what is the goal that you know without a doubt you can

hit and you can work towards it every single day, and then you

start increasing that goal.

Love it. Okay, so let's review. One is awareness.

Hopefully, you're aware after this episode, if you're not

already aware. Two is trust, trusting

yourself, trusting life, trusting your path,

trusting your redirections. Yeah. Number

three, discipline. Yeah, yeah. Love it. All right. What's

number four?

So, this one I call selfishness, and I think this is

especially important for women, I would say, like me, that have

definitely had, you know, I would say influenced to believe

that being selfless is the path towards value, and you know, I

had this story where I was really burning out. I had been

in my, my network marketing business for over eight years,

and I had reached the very top, and I was talking on stages, and

I was training, and I was making amazing income, and I was just

so, so, so burnt out, and I started to collapse, and I

started to not show up, and I like couldn't get out of bed,

and I was having all those classic burnout symptoms, and

one thing that happened was that I had a friend who was very used

to me being there all the time and giving, giving, giving, and

she exploded on me one day, and she said, "You're just so

selfish, and I, I sat with it for so long because I had spent

my whole life running a charity, giving back my time, my money,

my energy. This was like there couldn't be a worse insult that

she could give to me at that time, and I wasn't selfish, I

was just tired. That was my experience, and so I started a

really long process of really going inwards and reclaiming

selfishness, which I now call self fullness. The whole

practice of putting your own oxygen mask on first, of you

know, pouring from your overflow versus from your breadcrumbs

that are left in your system, from the want to versus the have

to. So that whole time of my life I had to redefine all of

that, and I did. I lost people in my life. I don't know, you've

heard the phrase, I know you have, that the only people who

have issues with your boundaries are the people you need them

with in the first place. And I absolutely had that experience

where I lost really close friends during that time in my

time of self-reclamation, of choosing self fullness over, you

know, selfishness. It was the most selfish, selfful thing I

could do was actually give to myself first.

I love that. And as you're talking about, like,

selfless, selfish, which they're on the polarized side, I think

women do, women that are selfless, which is everyone I've

ever worked with, like it's huge part of our programming for

centuries, so I think swinging over to selfish, like actual

selfishness, men do it really well, so like take a page out of

their textbooks, and and then you practice the extreme side,

which will feel so uncomfortable, so you can feel

it in your body, and come to. Place of balance, and then the

fullness is the place in the middle where you do give to

others, but from fullness, not from emptiness. And another

thing, when that woman said, the you're so selfish, I, for every

woman who does this after this episode, and somebody calls you

selfish, I want you to say back to them, Thank you.

I've been.. I, it was something I had to.. I

started to say, thank you. I've been working really hard at

that. Thank you for saying that. And it was true. I love that.

Like, don't even say I've been working hard at

it, because it's like, let them short circuit. They'll be like,

what the fuck? I just insulted you. You're not supposed to say

thank you. Like, let them short circuit, because we have to

rewire, like, how women are out there in the world, and I think,

like, to start to see it as a compliment. One thing that

Abraham Hicks said a long time ago that really stood out is

that I'll never forget, is like when someone else calls you

selfish, they're basically saying you need to choose my

selfishness over your own, because I'm being selfish in

saying you need to do this thing, or you're selfish, and

then you're being selfish by saying no, and so I'm saying I'm

basically saying you need to choose my selfishness over your,

no, obviously choose yours, because like, thought, what was

happening during that time, that is absolutely

like I had been dedicating my life over to this human being in

so many ways, and so it was just like I was absolutely short

circuiting, and one of my mentors at the time, this will

you love, that is a woman named Mama Gina, and she, she says

when you give, like she really wants you to receive, so it's

like this whole practice of receiving is you don't just say

I'm gonna be self full, like you actually have to practice

letting things in, like help and compliments. So, one of her

famous, favorite famous phrases is when someone gives you a

compliment, God, you're so beautiful, you say thank you,

it's true. And that was something I had to practice

again and again, because it's like you're not only receiving,

you are like owning it. So, what you shared reminded me of that.

Love her, Mama Jean is such a great example of a

woman, like fully in her power, but from such joy and pleasure

and receptivity. And, oh my god, I love

it.

Thank you. It's true. Yeah, because that, in my

experience, that is the when, when you're really in alignment,

though, like, and people do compliment you, that's how it

feels. It's like, thanks, like, thank you. Yeah,

and why can't we? Why can't we own that? I don't,

you know, why can't we own all these things, right? So, yeah,

yeah, women have been taught to be like, no, no,

no, you're beautiful, no, no, no, you're this, no, no, like,

put it, push it away, push it away, which keeps us small and

alone and sad, yeah. yeah, amazing. Okay, so self boldness

is four.

That's right.

I love it. I should write them down. I'm like, I

think I'm memorizing them pretty good, but I'm writing them down

just in case.

I was like, am I missing? No, I'm not missing

anything. The fifth step is self acceptance, and it's a natural

part after you're being, you're starting to choose yourself with

selffulness. When people leave, and they do, again, it does

happen when you change yourself. Your relationships do change.

It's, it's part of it. I think the next step for me was about

accepting myself wholly in my selfishness, so okay, let's just

say that's the truth. Maybe I'm selfish. How do I accept that

part of myself? So, Mama Gina calls it pushing all 88 keys of

the piano and learning how to love every key on that piano.

And for me, I had a crazy experience, so once I started to

go down this rabbit hole of what I call subconscious work, so I,

you know, I did my first past life regression, then I started

learning about hypnosis, and through the network marketing

industry, I dove deep into personal development, and I read

1000s of books, and I went to seminars, and I just started to

learn and learn and learn, and I went back to that same past life

regressionist after a few years, and it was to learn about this

guilt that I had been feeling inside of me, that was just so

not explainable, and in that experience, which you can read

about in the book, I actually, you know, you walk into a deep

meditation, and on the other side, she says, you know, start

examining your feet, and who do you see, and what are you

noticing, and it's like a movie starts to play out in your mind,

and in this case, I, and again, I don't, whatever you believe,

this is just what I saw, I saw myself as a soldier in France in

the 1800s and this whole, and I was a man in this experience,

and this whole story unfolded with really deep spiritual

lessons, and I actually, as much as on paper, this man lived a

life that was, he hurt a lot of people, let's just say, leave

that, I actually came out of it feeling empathetic towards this

human being. And that in that story was a very hurt again a

lot of people and I I started to see that even that all things

can be true and that everybody believes their own truth and is

doing the best they can with the tools that they have and that

there's always opportunity for atonement and every part of our

journey, and that big spiritual lesson in that life was about

atonement, and about when you know better about sharing that,

and just doing as best as you

can, and so

self-acceptance came from, except you know, Carl

Young calls it the shadow side, accepting the shadow side, the

parts of us we wish were just not there. It was, it was the

work of accepting every key of my own piano.

I love that. I've never heard Mama Gina say that.

That's beautiful. I love it. I accept every key of your piano.

Oh,

I know that's why I cry. All the..

you saw all the.. we went through all the waves,

and I love you so much, and yeah, I think the beauty to

this, this step, self-acceptance is the more, in my experience,

the more we accept ourselves fully. When we accept ourselves

fully and are in relationship with all parts of ourselves, and

really have deep love and, and understanding, I mean, our

parts, like the protective parts of us are there protecting us

for a reason, there's a good reason, and you just need to

know how to be in relationship with them. But when we're in

that place of loving and accepting our all these parts of

ourselves, we attract people who love and accept all parts of

ourselves, like that's you end up attracting that. It's it's

like everything we attract is just a reflection of what's

happening inside and how we're treating ourselves internally.

Yeah, and you know, we come into this world thinking

that we're perfectly whole, like, you know, we express

ourselves, we share our truth, we do what we want, we cry, we

scream, we get mad, we laugh. It is just like who we are. And

then, you know, these things happen that make us feel like

something's wrong with us, like my anger is something I need to

be processed alone in a room until I put my smile back on,

and that my body is inherently wrong and faulted, and that I

need to act this way to make other people feel okay in my

presence, which is usually about shrinking, and you know, and,

and you know, I'm very good at that, by the way. I can make

other people feel comfortable just by, you know, putting all

my energy on them. I learned that very, very young as a

survival strategy, right? So self acceptance is that process

of just learning how to love and accept ourselves just the way we

are, with nothing to fix or change.

I'm hearing a song now. I love you just the way you

are. Oh my god,

I miss your voice in your singing. You're an

amazing singer. I don't know if everybody heard that in this new

truth world.

I don't. Okay, I love to sing. I love to sing.

I'll say that. Thanks, babe. Thank you.

It's true.

Thanks for accepting all my singing.

Sometimes it sounds horrible, sometimes it sounds good.

Although I think the new truthers that have been here a

while have heard me sing many times. Definitely, the heroines

that have worked with me at the immersion, I was always nice.

Actually, the last immersion I lost my voice, and I was, we

were doing, I was like the most singing group I've ever had,

which is like my dreams, and actually recorded a podcast the

day after the immersion with no voice, so but I was like trying

to sing still with them, and I sounded so tone deaf because my

voice would just squeak, it was like

interesting, yeah,

yeah, we'll, we'll assess that in a past life

regression, all right, self acceptance, what's next, I love

it. This is

me move into self-expression, speaking our

truth, even when it's uncomfortable, and part of that

is singing. How many women I've worked with specifically that

are so scared to sing? I know I had that experience that I sang

in front of a group when I was young, and I totally bombed it,

and I never sang in public again. So, like, I think a lot

of people have that again. Expressing our truth can be very

uncomfortable, and more than that, expressing our needs and

desires, you know. We just had this conversation, Kate, before

we got on the podcast, as like just owning the fact, what we

actually want when we're scared we're not going to get it, and

like how vulnerable that feels, but then asking for help, so

like using our voice to actually say the thing that we're so

scared to say, and you know, express our voice even when it's

imperfect, without having the script, if you will, that's part

of, you know, deep communication, if you will.

Yeah, I think I feel like the script is actually

what makes people so afraid to express, and it's like, if we,

because when we're home, plugged in, connected, we're all like

enlightened, or all, we all are a channel, we all have a vessel,

we all have a message of a. Words we all have the perfect

words to say in the non, non scripted version of that word,

right? The exact precise words to say when we're home, when

we're connected, but we've been taught to script. Even I had a

client once that was like, okay, I'm going on a date, I just want

a few, like, give me a few questions, because I want to

make sure we have real conversation, real connection,

and I wanted to be deep, and so I was just like, give me a few

questions just to help, and I was like, I will never do that,

because then you are in your head in a script following these

questions, if you do some somatic practices, do some

meditation, do some self-leasuring, do some breath

work, show up on your day, present in the moment, you'll

know exactly what to say, and it'll be coming from your heart

and soul, and like that's true expression. I think we all have

the ability. So then, for you on your journey with acceptance and

then expression, how did you access that?

How did I access that expression? A lot of the

work for me happened in the work with Mama Gina, so again, I have

had so many incredible mentors along the way, and I've invested

a lot of money in the learning. It's, it's, it's what I'm here

for. So, you know, I would say a lot of people came out of Mama

Jean, as we did some pretty radical stuff in her courses,

and they came out of there super, like, I am like out with

the world, and I'm like, sexually expressed, and like,

and I was watching it all unfold in front of me, and as someone

who has actually been single a lot of my life, I actually had

the complete opposite experience. I went completely

inwards, and this is something that you know about me. I chose

sexual sobriety for a long period of time. I didn't date, I

actually went, you know, I came from a place where I had a lot

of relationships and constant action, and I was never really,

even though I was single, I was never really without something.

I went completely insular, and so part of my expression of

learning how to express was actually about going inwards and

getting quiet enough so that I could listen. So, learning how

to be, if you will,

isn't that interesting? It feels like kind

of counterintuitive. I get it for sure, but, like, I feel like

that would sound counterintuitive. Like, in order

to express, which is so outward, you need to go inward and be

and listen. I had an amazing practitioner work on

me. She was a Chinese doctor, and she said, 'Wow, you're

really good at doing, but you have no idea how to be. And I

was like, 'Yeah, that's hilarious. And I was like, 'Oh

my god, that like action. Look, how do you do that? What do you

do to be? And you know, how do you do being? What's what's the

answer there? And she said something that I've carried with

me for over a decade. She said you anchor into your senses, you

learn how to feel your feet in the ground, the wind in your

hair, taste what you're tasting, smell what you're smelling, hear

what you're hearing. And I think that's why I also fell in love

with Costa Rica the way that I did, because it's very much an

assault on your senses, like you have no, there's so much

happening in nature around you here that you have no option

except to be in the present moment anchoring into it, and so

for me to become, you know, to really learn how to express, I

had to get quiet enough to listen to, are these my desires,

or are these the desires that have been painted in front of

me? And honestly, most of my desires were not my own. That's

the thing, like

so many women come to me, are like, "This is what I

want. I'm like, "It sounds like the script that everyone wants.

Like, how do you know it's what you want? And it's like they're

fighting, they're fighting, they're fighting. It doesn't

mean you're not going to have those things, but like, so

often, like, we haven't even really tapped into our desires

and explored, and that's it. The being, God, you just took me.

Remember my deck? Remember the house with the bugs that the

bugs fell from the ceiling? I had, okay, I had the super cute

on Airbnb. She actually, that woman reached out to me, saying

she was selling it, and asked if I wanted it, and I was like, no,

thank you. But it was so beautiful. It was such a cute

house, but it had a thatched roof, and these black bugs at

night would fall from the ceiling, like 1000s of them.

That was like a horror movie. But the daytime, I would spend

hours.. remember the deck with the two chairs with the on the

river. Oh my god, I would spend hours having a cacao and

meditating and singing and journaling, and it was like my

spot. Costa Rica is that it is like senses overload. It's so

beautiful, the birds, the smells, the lusciousness. It's

amazing.

And so many people come here and they sign up for

paradise, and it forces you to be. And you know what happens

when you're being is that all your stuff comes up, and oh my

god, I

went through a lot,

and I feel like I'm, you know, I'm over five

years in now, I'm almost six years in, it's like I've sort of

found my flow a little bit more, but even coming from North

America, I was just in North America for work, and it takes

me two weeks to like land again, and I'm sure. You feel that way

in Kenya. There's so much less happening that you have no

choice. Yeah,

yeah, to feel it's amazing. It is, and it's

similar, actually. The coast of Kenya, I don't know if I told

you this, I went to the coast and it felt like Costa Rica and

Kenya had a baby. It's on the Indian Ocean, so the ocean is

the warmest ocean in the world. It's like a bath, and this, the

sand is white, is so beautiful, and it's so luscious with

monkeys everywhere, like just like Costa Rica. But then,

Kenyan people, it's the best. It's amazing. I'll have to take

you there when you come visit me. I can't wait. Have you been

to not,

not there, but I have been to Kenya, but not

Kenya. Yeah, okay, taking you there. Okay, so self

acceptance, self expression. Actually, I'm going to go back

to the beginning: awareness, trust, discipline, self

fullness, self acceptance, self expression, which comes from

being and feeling and really getting to know your soul,

because otherwise it's fake expression. If you're trying to

nail it, you nail it. Yeah, and you feel

that when people express them authentically, you

know. So I

used to work with speakers, and we'd have ones

that were like seven figure business owners, like had huge

following, and they get on stage, and like we could feel

like it was like a micro change in their voice, and it was like

the performance they were really good at it, and audiences

usually fall for it, but it was a show,

you're nailing it, and that's part of the

discernment of being like something's off in myself, like

I

feel

that's part of the listening. So, the last step,

the eighth step, before moving into the ninth step, which is

self-realization, is the step of self-love. No, wait, that's..

we're on the seventh, we're on the seventh.

Oh, let me see. hold on,

123456,

Yeah, self. oh, yes, that's right, self love.

And there's one more. You're right, my bad. So self love is

next. This is so much. I feel like I can't talk too much

because everything you talk about in your work is about self

love, but this has been a journey for me, and I would say

the epicenter of that journey happened, where again I got

everything I imagined I wanted, and then it was in my experience

all taken away, and for me it all got taken away as life, when

life is lifeing. I lost a few people really close to me in a

short period of time. My business changed, so my company

closed down a big arm division of the business that I was very

much steering forward, and in another country, and then they

closed it. They actually closed it while I was sitting beside my

grandmother, saying my final goodbyes, and she died two hours

after that. So it was just like everything happening at the same

time. My cousin passed away, my uncle passed away? My friends

were like, we don't know who you are anymore. Get back to us when

you're feeling better, like they actually said that to me. Yeah.

Oh my

god,

no. Because they were so used to a version of me

that I had spent eight years perfecting, and so self love had

to come into the forefront when I was no longer the job slash

that my identity as that job, my identity as in my family

shifted. My whole life was dedicated to visiting my

grandmother during that time, and my cousin, who was sick, and

all of those things, and my identity with my friends, which,

in fact, like in fact, impacted my work. And so, Who am I

without all those things? Am I willing to love the version of

me that is not achieving I am that I am. Wayne Dyer used to

say, I am that I am. Wow, it's a journey, but it's worth it,

because you know, Wayne Dyer used to say, I always have holes

in my pocket, so I remember that when I put change in them, like

I'm only coming with what I came with, and I'm leaving with what

I came with, like,

none of it comes with you when you die, so don't

get too attached.

That's the work, isn't it?

Yeah, and he knows that he's like, you know, on the

other side now. So there you go. Okay, so, so during that time, I

could feel that so deeply, especially that, like, going

through so much vulnerability and pain, and your friends being

like, this is not who we know you to be. You're the strong

one, you're the manifesting generator, badass businesswoman,

and we don't know how to be with you, because probably imagine

you attracted people like you that were more in their sort of

controller,

masculine doing.

Yeah,

like, what do you mean? I'm sitting around and not

doing

right, what does

that even mean

wild? So, what? So, how did you.. how did you access

self-love during that time? How did you learn

time? Just time. And fortunately, I wish I had a

better answer. I really dove into being during that time, so

it was the most painful time in my life, and I think it really

prepared me well for the pandemic, actually, because when

the pandemic came, I was thriving. I already knew how to

spend a lot of time alone, and I did. You know, I was single at

the time, so I was in at my apartment in downtown Toronto,

and I was just, you know, doing pilates every day. I took a

degree in Native Studies, and I studied to become a

hypnotherapist, and I rode my Peloton, and I cooked healthy,

and so all of the quietness before in my life prepared me

for the pandemic, and you know, the time really made me be like,

I can fall in love with the minute by minute of my day, not

who I'm going to become on the other side of it.

I love that you said the being too, because I'm

just feeling like it's like the, the, the more we can learn to be

and sit with ourselves and sit in front of the mirror and sit

and feel, sit meditation and sit and feel everything that's

there, and like you said, accept everything that's there, and the

more we can like get out of the fucking story, just love

everything that is there, the feelings pass, they're there,

they're clouds, they change form when we actually just feel them,

and I'm just picturing like the gift of that of you learning

how, and it's a learnable skill that we all came into this world

having, and then we were trained out of it, and so you know,

especially with devices nowadays, people's attention

spans are so short, their minds are busier than ever, like I

think in Africa it's crazy, people's minds, they're not, I

mean, obviously I'm not inside of their minds, but I think,

like, the women that I've helped, when I share with them,

like a tip, or like a journaling practice, I was one woman, I

shared a journaling practice, gifted her a journal, and she,

every time she saw me for the next, like, three months, she

cried, and was like, "You changed my whole life, you

changed my kid's life, and I'm like, "Wait, what, I didn't do

anything for one, for two, you did it, but she actually did it,

and she implemented it, and she every single day she did the

practice I gave her, because I think they have a lot of trauma,

but there's less noise, because they're more, because life is

simpler, not of course in all of Kenya, and different in the

city, but life is simpler, life is slower, they work a lot, but

they're on the earth, most a lot of people working with the

earth, and so there is, it's, it's less noise, but in North

America and Western world, we just have more noise than ever

before up in our minds, so to learn how to be,

and also to learn like you're only lovable if,

like, there's so much, you know, in hypnotherapy school we

learned that there's five main limiting beliefs: I'm not

worthy, I'm not enough, I'm not lovable, I don't belong, and

what I want is not available to me. Those are the main five. The

idea that I have to earn love is imprinted so early on in our

school system, it's like it's like you're only lovable if you

get an A on your what grades you know to English class, I don't

know, it's just

and if you put up your hand and you don't express

yourself and you don't share and you don't

exactly, and so self love is again about like

learning to love yourself the way you are without having to

perform for love in any way, like really tuning into the

magic of who we are as a vessel with, you know, trillions of

cells and neurons and abilities to feel, and like the magic,

like we're pure, pure magic incarnated to learn, you know,

the to learn love, really, and to learn love, we have to learn

the opposite, we have to understand the opposite, and so

there's going to be no life without its challenges. There is

a theory in past life regression that when you are new lives into

this world, you will have less contrast, because you're just

learning to live in your expression and your senses, and

as you incarnate again, whatever you believe many, many times,

there's going to be more and more contrast, because you're

learning to hold the full gamut of expression. I think some of

the, you know, the hardest experiences I've had, or, you

know, even working with clients, is that, that are, you know,

have it all, that have all the money, and on paper they're

right exactly what they're used to, is that we feel like the

only way life is worth having, as if we're happy all the time,

like something is wrong if I'm not happy, like it's so

everyone's chasing half that, those dopamine hits of

happiness. It's not about happiness, it's about contrast.

It's actually about the 88 keys,

yeah, the it's the fullness, and, and okay, so, so

for the woman who has that busy Western mind, that like

incessant mind, and believe she can't be and meditate, like, how

did do you have any tips for her to go from that woman who was

like so busy, but and to just being and feeling, other than

like when life rocks you, and then you can't do anything but

feel, but but how did you navigate that part?

Yeah, so it's the practice. So the best thing I'm

attached to is the morning routines, the evening routines,

how you start your day and how you end your day, the things

that are so it really is okay now I have awareness that I want

something else, then I'm going to move into trusting my journey

and then doing the discipline. Habits and taking the time

selfishly to give to myself that which I seek from the outer

world, which will ultimately result in acceptance and

expression, and then you know, real love for who I am, not what

I achieve, which then moves into real authentic self-confidence,

which is the eighth step of the journey,

real authentic self-confidence,

exactly. And you know, I look at my life now, and

how much it changed, and how many sliding doors there were,

and I can say that I'm exactly where I meant to be in this

journey, in this moment in time, and I am a philanthropist. I

have an amazing business that it took me 15 years to get to,

really, of like donating my time and learning what I needed to

learn, so that I could be an expert in this really niche

category of helping founders and athletes create their own

foundations, but I needed those 15 years of learning to get

there to be able to have that really unique skill. I'm hosting

people in Costa Rica now, and welcoming people into a space.

I'm developing a retreat space, which is, you know, going to be

sharing very soon. So, why this? By the time this podcast comes

up, I'll be talking about it, but that is like, there's so.

there were so many nods to the fact that this is how it was

going to go, including 10 years ago I had a fortune teller tell

me I was going to leave and live in the jungle and I was going to

have a space where I'm going to let people and host people and

bring people into my world, and like my god,

and that is crazy, and Dana is just like renovating

this retreat space, she like this, and we talked about this a

long time ago, because I have similar desires. Maybe for

Kenya, you're gonna come help me after you figure yours out, but

we're definitely planting the seeds for New Truth Retreat in

Costa Rica one day when it's ready. But this, yeah, and

you're planning on opening in the fall, yeah, of this year.

20s, crazy. This is so badass. So, you're living in Costa Rica?

She moved during Covid. She's one of the many Canadians and

Americans that are like, 'See ya moved to Costa Rica.

I came on vacation and I couldn't leave because I

had my dog. So, another one of those sliding door moments

where, yeah, yeah, the that's a day after I arrived.

You were at Dave and Brooke and Heather were all

living together at that house, and I came there for my 40th

birthday.

That's right, yeah.

And you were, you were stuck there then?

Yeah, I was stuck. It was, I couldn't get back to

Canada with Lucy, my dog, at the time, because the rules around

dogs and animals had changed, and so I could get back to

Canada, but I couldn't if I wanted her to come with me, and

she was 11 and a half at the time, like I obviously was not

leaving my dog behind, and she lived, as you know, to 15 and a

half, she just passed away a few months ago, 16 and a half,

sorry, so yeah, it's I just couldn't, so I was just waiting

it out for the first year of my time in Costa Rica. I was just

waiting to see when this whole thing was going to end.

Oh my god, and Lucy was your angel to actually keep

you in Costa Rica, because you were meant to stay in Costa

Rica, ride all the waves, literally and figuratively, and

open a retreat center and bring people to Costa Rica. Oh my god,

that is so amazing. And then your business with the athletes

and the creating their, their charities, like you're so

badass. And then Dana also is a hypnotherapist. So, are you

open? Because I certainly know I've had a lot of clients that

I've sent you that are like it or interested in hypnotherapy,

want to explore more about hypnotherapy. If someone wants a

session, are you actively taking clients? I know

very little hypnosis clients, and I don't

really do past lives anymore, but if they reach out to me,

I'll direct them into the right place. Often, when people come

to me for hypnosis, they want it like sooner than later, and

because I'm working a lot into the future, it's not always

ideal, so I have really strong referrals I can make, especially

for past life regression. I speak about this woman who

worked with Wayne Dyer; her name is Amira Kelly. I write about it

in my book, and so I was just speaking to her yesterday, and I

said I'm going to refer people to her, anyone who wants to try

past life regression, because she's just magical.

Is this the woman you worked with at the beginning

of the story?

No, a different one. So, yeah, I, in the, in my

book, you'll see I worked with a lot of different practitioners,

and Mira Kelly Wayne Dyer writes about her in his book. He had

his past life regression with her, so I got to work with her

about three or two or three years ago, and I write about it

in the book.

Oh, amazing! I cannot wait to read your book. I

cannot wait to also have a session with her too. And so

your book is called Pathways to Self: The Path to Purpose. We'll

obviously link it below this. Oh, wait, Kemp, is there a

pre-order or no?

No, august 18. But there's a way to sign up, so

I'll send you the link. Okay,

we'll get you the link for the book, and we're.

You'll be able to get it where

Amazon,

Amazon, Amazon. Okay, amazing. And yeah, this is

amazing. Wow, I wanted

to talk to you.

I'm so blown away. So, if anyone is interested in

hosting a retreat in Costa Rica, and I imagine you'll host like

gatherings as well, or just retreats,

gatherings as well. We know my business, I work with

a lot of businesses, and again, family structures that are

really looking to make an impact on the world. So, that's, you

know, who I love to work with, bring them into this magical

space, and show them another way of life, and, and see what

happens when we calm our nervous system, what that creates for

our mind, and the possibilities that we have. That's why

retreats are so powerful, as I know you know,

I love it. That's so amazing. You are such a

legend, like I was gonna say, I forget, that's totally untrue.

You're, you're.. I never forget, but I just am so inspired by

you. You're such a legend, you're so powerful, and these

pathways are frickin amazing. And definitely run and get the

book. What are your.. what are your final.. like your final

words to a woman? So, of course, this comes.. this.. the title of

this episode is the path to purpose. So, for a woman who I

would say, for the woman who's feeling off purpose, who's

feeling like she just, like, doesn't know what's the point,

why am I here?

Yeah, which I think is going to happen multiple

times in our lives, I don't think it's just one, so if it's

like that call, I just said it to myself a year ago, like there

must be something else out there for me. It's.. it happens every

time an identity shifts. When my dog passed away, I had the same

inner conversation. I'm like, Who am I without walking my dog

every morning? I would say it's going back to the basics. It

really is to the disciplined habits of yourself, so I have a

menu that I create, and it's one of the practices I share about

in the book, so a menu of things that make you feel like

yourself, a list of stuff you've been wanting to do that I've

been putting off, the things that are as easy not to do as

they are to do. For me, it was going surfing at a moonrise that

I've been wanting to do a long time, booking the trip, you

know, really doing a puzzle, like you know how much I love my

puzzles, doing the things that I don't have time to do, but like

they're really just about me, and selfishly taking the time to

do that, knowing that on the other side, if you wait long

enough, if you do the action long enough, there will be pops

of inspiration, and you will know exactly why it took you

this perfect amount of time to get where you are, but only in

hindsight, it's never in foresight, unfortunately,

totally, so true, and the mind always wants to

know what the foresight is, but you, but you see it in

hindsight. Beautifully said, my friend. Wow, you are amazing. I

love you. So, love

you. I, we with people new, as like, we could

literally talk for two hours, easy, right? Yeah, we get,

and yeah, we will, and Donna will be back for sure.

Oh, my gosh, you're set. Yeah, just so much wisdom and so much

alignment. You're just magic. And your story, I mean, I know

there's 10 million more twists to your story and pieces to your

story. And how fucking inspiring. Like, you're just

such a badass.

Thank you. With the biggest heart, thank you. It's

true.

It's true. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Love it. All right,

as always. Share this episode with every woman you know who's

ready to feel more on purpose in her life, and listen to it over

and over again. Go run and get Pathways to Self on Amazon,

August 18, and I think you can sign up for the wait list and

love you so much. We'll see you soon.