In this episode of "The One Small Change Podcast," host Yvonne McCoy welcomes guest Ell Graniel, who shares her journey of personal transformation and growth through the recognition of small yet profound changes. Ell delves into her path from a challenging upbringing to discovering the power of taking charge of her life. Together, they discuss the significance of self-discovery and the impact of embracing change to unlock one's full potential. Listen as Yvonne and Ell explore the intricacies of mindset, neuroplasticity, and the courage required to step into one's true self.
Guest Bio:
Ell Graniel is a personal development coach and expert in neuroplasticity. With over 27 years of experience, Ell specializes in helping individuals identify their unique strengths, rewire their mindset, and break free from limiting beliefs. Her work centers on empowering people to uncover their true potential and achieve transformative growth in both their personal and professional lives.
Chapters:
00:00 "Transformative Journey from Poverty"
05:54 Brain Wiring and Personal Transformation
09:43 Embracing Inner Strength
13:31 "Realizing Simple Changes"
14:17 Unlock Hidden Opportunities
18:06 "Self-Understanding Before Success"
23:44 "Generous Gift: Podcast Growth Journey"
25:24 "Pause, Reflect, and Improve"
Main Quote by the Guest:
"When you can identify what your strengths are, that can help you put together a mosaic much better." - Ell Graniel
Links to Guest's Website:
Your Success Mindset Scorecard - https://bit.ly/SuccesswithEll
Welcome to this one small change. I am thrilled as
Speaker:always that you are joining me for this journey of exploration and
Speaker:transformation. I'm your host, Yvonne McCoy, and I bring
Speaker:almost thirty years of entrepreneurial experience and a
Speaker:passion for growing your business through the power of what seems like
Speaker:seemingly small change. And as always, I have a fabulous
Speaker:guest this week, and you are gonna wanna hear what she says.
Speaker:Today, my guest is Ell Grenell,
Speaker:and she's gonna be sharing with you how some smaller
Speaker:unexpected decision or change sparked a
Speaker:remarkable transformation and growth in either her personal
Speaker:her personal and her professional life. Elle, thank you for
Speaker:joining me. Thank you. I'm thrilled to be here
Speaker:sharing this with you as well. So yay. So
Speaker:tell us about the small change. And and, you
Speaker:you know, now that you know, Because it usually becomes so
Speaker:much bigger, it doesn't seem like a small change anymore.
Speaker:Yeah. When you, you know and when you become what I call
Speaker:vintage in life, there are a lot of those small
Speaker:changes, right, that make us the mosaic that we are, you
Speaker:know, this beautiful, like, piece of art. And so I was
Speaker:thinking back to kind of the first time I really realized
Speaker:that I had a shift because, you know, I was born into
Speaker:poverty, grew up in a trailer park, suffered all of the abuses,
Speaker:you know, most of the abuses, and consider myself not a
Speaker:survivor, but a graduate. And then
Speaker:in my twenties, I started getting into self help, right,
Speaker:motivational stuff. And there was a program called Nightingale Konap where
Speaker:once a month, you would get a cassette series in the mail. So this is,
Speaker:like, back in the nineties. And I was listening
Speaker:to those, and it was, you know, it was, just so many people. It was
Speaker:Les Brown and Wayne Dyer, you know, and all of these kind of, you
Speaker:know, folks back then. Zig Ziglar was one of my favorites. One
Speaker:day, I was sitting in the living room doing my version. I have a lot
Speaker:of ways to meditate, and one of them is
Speaker:I stare at a blank wall, and I just kinda just start to get quiet.
Speaker:And that's never intentional. It just happens. But one day, that was I was in
Speaker:that white wall space, and it
Speaker:occurred to me that I'm in charge.
Speaker:And I was in my late twenties maybe, and I was like, what does that
Speaker:mean? I'm in charge because it was really loud. You know? It was, like,
Speaker:confident and proud. And I and it was
Speaker:like a light bulb came on. It's it
Speaker:wasn't, you know, my upbringing. It wasn't the poverty. It
Speaker:wasn't that I'm a, you know, Latina female. It wasn't you know what I
Speaker:mean? But I'm from the trailer park. It wasn't all of those
Speaker:things that that are an easy blame.
Speaker:An easy blame for why you're not living your life on purpose, why you're not
Speaker:connecting and getting out there, right, and shining. And that was the
Speaker:beginning of me figuring out my career,
Speaker:and it just was like, oh, you know, instead of a downward spiral, it
Speaker:was an really upward spiral. So the one small change
Speaker:was realizing that I'm in charge. I make
Speaker:the decisions. They're my thoughts. They're my actions.
Speaker:Claim them and make them mine. It it's funny that you say
Speaker:that because I had a a similar experience, and and I can
Speaker:see it. I was riding in the car. I was on the highway. I
Speaker:was playing a cassette player, and it's
Speaker:Brian Tracy. And he basically said
Speaker:this is paraphrasing because it was decades ago, but he basically said,
Speaker:you're an adult. Get over. Get over your parents. Get I I was
Speaker:like, he's right. I'm married. I have two
Speaker:kids. I have a husband. I have a career. I have and I'm
Speaker:still, like, obsessing about the stuff that happened when I was a kid.
Speaker:And so yeah. I mean, the shift Mhmm. I mean, it's a
Speaker:sentence, really, but the
Speaker:impact is almost like a wedge because it
Speaker:opens up so much more. Absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah. And that's that's just been continuing for me to
Speaker:look at how to keep getting over myself. Because as we go
Speaker:through different phases in life and situations, we do acquire
Speaker:biases with the people we hang around and the state we live
Speaker:in and, you know, all all of that kind of stuff. And so to
Speaker:catch yourself on being, biased. Right? Because
Speaker:we're all judgmental by nature. That's what keeps us alive. Right? We've gotta judge things
Speaker:quickly. But it's a matter of if you're staying stuck and you're not
Speaker:allowing yourself to learn more Mhmm. Is where the trouble
Speaker:begins in my opinion. Well, I think I think continuous
Speaker:learning I mean, here's here's what I say to people. Your life
Speaker:is you're shooting at a moving target. If you're not
Speaker:changing and growing, you're stagnating and falling behind just
Speaker:just by the the fact that you're not doing every anything and the world
Speaker:is changing. And so, you know, I don't
Speaker:know that people are really clear about what you do, and I've had the experience
Speaker:of experiencing that. So I want you to talk a little bit about that,
Speaker:and, and I can tell you what has happened since last we
Speaker:spoke. Okay. That's exciting.
Speaker:So thank you. That's, like, that's a super perk.
Speaker:So many years ago, once I got into this, you know, kinda self improvement type
Speaker:thing, I met a woman named doctor Libby Adams
Speaker:who had the International Academy of Self Knowledge, where the
Speaker:subject is you. And I'm like, this is perfect. This is what, you know, what
Speaker:I've been looking for. And that was back in, you know, like,
Speaker:'95 or something like that. And I I just
Speaker:started taking the courses. I got trained in NLP, negotiation, just all
Speaker:kinds of things, all the personality type predictors, the Enneagram and
Speaker:Myers Briggs. And I just became fascinated by the
Speaker:brain and how the brain processes and stores and repurposes
Speaker:information and how we're hardwired,
Speaker:most of us, a certain way, but yet we're all we're we're
Speaker:wired differently through experiences. So meshing that together, the
Speaker:neuroscience of that is how can you,
Speaker:take your superpower, your innate wiring, and and
Speaker:and and put that more to work for you because it's easy. Right?
Speaker:And then how can we shift those things like what happened when we were five
Speaker:and seven and that that they're they're still trying to play
Speaker:the game. You know? It's like we're stuck playing chutes and ladders,
Speaker:and here we are, you know, in our thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, sliding back down
Speaker:the ladder again because we haven't learned to evolve. And so
Speaker:then I got trained in transformational meditation, which is what you and
Speaker:I did. And so I help people in the neuroplasticity
Speaker:to rewire, pull up those memories, set them straight. Most
Speaker:of them don't even know it's 2025. That's the part that's really fun. It's like,
Speaker:ask that part what year it is, and they'll say some decade old year. You
Speaker:know? It's like, oh, well, guess what? And so it's really fun. And then once
Speaker:you get those systems and those thoughts and those fears,
Speaker:doubts, and worries out of the way, then you can create a new
Speaker:right highway, a new pathway. And then you've got to
Speaker:live it. So it's not enough to know it. It's not enough to clear
Speaker:the path. Right? You've gotta drive that way, see what else is there
Speaker:now because now you're going a different way, and there's all these opportunities
Speaker:that weren't there before because you were stuck in those old patterns. So
Speaker:I love this work. I've been doing it twenty seven years, and
Speaker:it changes lives. Everything from helping people get over infidel
Speaker:infidelity. People. That too,
Speaker:actually, now that I think I did maybe. I did have one of
Speaker:those get a better SAT scores, you know,
Speaker:just lose weight, gain weight. You know? Just so
Speaker:many things because we're stuck in the in the thought
Speaker:that it's not possible for us even though we can see other
Speaker:people. It's like, oh, but I can't because so we
Speaker:get those I can'ts out of the way and put in the possibilities,
Speaker:what the what ifs in a good way. So, yeah, I can go on
Speaker:forever. So I'm gonna let you tell your story now. I love it. So
Speaker:what what I wanna tell everybody is I am not woo
Speaker:woo by nature. As as one spiritual healer said to me, you're
Speaker:really very linear. But I like I like
Speaker:processes. I like you know, because I had an unsettling
Speaker:upbringing. And so I defaulted
Speaker:to what is the objective solution as opposed to what is the
Speaker:emotional. You know. So that's why I gravitated towards math because one
Speaker:and one was always two, you know. I could get the answer
Speaker:right. Yeah. So I tell you that that but I do
Speaker:believe that there is forces outside of ourselves in a
Speaker:higher power, that bring us together in in ways
Speaker:there are things that we don't see that are there. I mean, I you know,
Speaker:we don't see gravity, but it's there. And so you kinda have to
Speaker:believe there's more than what you can see. So
Speaker:I think the first thing I would say is, you know, as I thought about
Speaker:this interview, I thought about it was interesting to
Speaker:me that several things happened
Speaker:prior to us working together. One
Speaker:of them, which was this new thing that I
Speaker:found that you're you don't need to be fixed. You just need to be
Speaker:found. And also the feeling of
Speaker:really kind of stepping into or wanting to step
Speaker:in my wanting to be found. Right?
Speaker:So when we did the work together, I came away
Speaker:with the feeling that I was on the right track and
Speaker:everything was okay. Nothing
Speaker:no fireworks, no bells or whistles kinda thing.
Speaker:But as I was thinking about this and thought about
Speaker:the meetings that I had after that
Speaker:and the meeting things that have happened in in less than a
Speaker:week, I found myself
Speaker:coming forward in a in in a much stronger way, a
Speaker:much more you know? It's like, okay.
Speaker:Because I think I have to tell you, I think I'm really a very
Speaker:strong woman. I think that I have an
Speaker:innate I mean, it it has showed up in really weird ways where I'll
Speaker:be someplace and find that a lot of people have
Speaker:gravitated towards me. Do you know? And
Speaker:people start, like, what are you doing that I'll be do you know? And I
Speaker:have never it's not that I'm so you know? Hey, everybody. I wanna you know?
Speaker:Do you know? It's it people, I think, are pulled towards me.
Speaker:So but I have, in my
Speaker:own preservation, kind of, always been at the back.
Speaker:I've always you know, it's like, I don't wanna overpower people. I don't
Speaker:wanna whatever. So it was been very interesting to me
Speaker:that in the last few days, I've really
Speaker:felt not consciously, but if I look back on the
Speaker:meetings, I have really stepped into my take charge
Speaker:ness. Do you know? It's like, okay, guys. Enough
Speaker:of that. We're gonna do this, or I'm really good at this. Or, you know,
Speaker:in my connection calls, I've really been
Speaker:saying, this is what I do, and I'm good at doing it. It's I've
Speaker:said it before, but I don't think I've said it with such energy. And the
Speaker:other thing that happened that to me is just like
Speaker:is I've had two people refer people to me
Speaker:that are like amazing opportunities. And instead of, you
Speaker:know, going you know, it's like, this is great. I'm ready for
Speaker:this. Let's go. Do you know? So Yes. You know, I think
Speaker:it's I think it was the perfect timing for me to meet
Speaker:you plus the work that you did to help me
Speaker:to get there. Yay. Yeah. I
Speaker:I feel real I I don't I can't explain it except that
Speaker:it is it is a a
Speaker:a bump up in confidence and energies. Is probably the way that
Speaker:I would say it. Again, no bells and whistles, but just this kind
Speaker:of calmness. I'm ready. I can do this. I'm good at what I
Speaker:do. You know? This I feel like
Speaker:the self doubt has really diminished. I mean, I think
Speaker:we all have self doubt to some level, and then when you step into something
Speaker:new, I think that's normal. But I have to
Speaker:say, I I feel a change.
Speaker:That is so wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. Couple of
Speaker:things. Number one, I was also drawn to you, like how you say people
Speaker:are just drawn to you. And, you know, our paths
Speaker:came together because we we spoke at the Pathways to
Speaker:Paydays Summit. And so I got, like, little bits of
Speaker:you, and I was like, no. That's not enough. Yvonne's not
Speaker:a bite sized kind of person. No. I'm
Speaker:not. I'm a meal. You are a meal.
Speaker:So we had to get together and do that. And, you know, when you're when
Speaker:you're saying it was like nothing super grand, I think what I was getting this
Speaker:image of in my head is, like, have you ever been standing in the shade
Speaker:waiting, you know, for your Uber or whatever? And it's, you know, it's
Speaker:kinda cold, and you realize, oh, if I just step over into the
Speaker:sun so there's the sun right here, and
Speaker:here we are in the shade, and and it's that easy
Speaker:sometimes Mhmm. Mhmm. To go, oh, you know, so many things
Speaker:are right in front of our eyes, and we're we're just so
Speaker:stuck in the way that we think that this is where you stand when you're
Speaker:waiting that we don't realize that's according to who.
Speaker:Yeah. According to whom. And and the thing
Speaker:that I would say, like, in my business, one of the things that I talk
Speaker:to people, what are you leaving on the table? When you change your
Speaker:focus and you start to see what uniqueness you bring,
Speaker:there are opportunities that have been there the whole time that
Speaker:you didn't think were worthwhile or that you could
Speaker:do. I mean, it's not that, you know, I'm coming up with totally
Speaker:new things. It's the things that were already there, but because of your lens
Speaker:or the angle you were looking at it, didn't make sense to you or
Speaker:didn't seem like it was something that you could do. So I I think
Speaker:that, you know, again, I think
Speaker:that these subtle shifts I mean,
Speaker:they're not subtle in a way. They're really earthquakes, but, you know, but
Speaker:they start out with the rumble, grow it you know, it's a rumble that grows
Speaker:into an earthquake. The result of it is earthquake worthy
Speaker:and and and big enough because it builds on each other. You you know, you
Speaker:meet something, you're more confident that person will refer you to somebody else or you
Speaker:help a client and you can help them be more confident and grow in a
Speaker:bigger way. And so, like I said, it would just
Speaker:you know, as I sat and thought about this this morning, I'm like, oh my
Speaker:god. I have had a great week. I have had all these successes. You
Speaker:know? And part of the success is that I
Speaker:think that I was willing to acknowledge that, like you said at the
Speaker:beginning, that I had some responsibility for it. If somebody
Speaker:had some success, it was because they had been with me.
Speaker:And, you know, that's always my goal is that people are better off for
Speaker:having met me than if they hadn't met me.
Speaker:Mhmm. So so before we get carried away, because this
Speaker:is a wonderful thing Yeah. Thank you. Tell
Speaker:us about your gift. Okay. I'd love
Speaker:to. So one of the the ways to
Speaker:introduce people to what I do is I like for them to understand the whole
Speaker:cognitive side of how we think and how we feel and what we do.
Speaker:Right? I don't just dive into the, you know, the neuroplasticity of it all.
Speaker:We gotta start with who do you think you are and why.
Speaker:So I have a it's called the success mindset scorecard.
Speaker:And what you do is you evaluate yourself on a sliding
Speaker:scale, and it's best done if you rapid fire
Speaker:answer those questions because you know how you can go. Well, it depends if I'm
Speaker:cold or hungry. You know what I mean? It's like, no. Just boom, boom, boom,
Speaker:answer those questions. And then they're they're they're you'll see they're
Speaker:grouped into, you know, like relationships,
Speaker:work, you know, personal, spiritual kind of stuff. And
Speaker:then you immediately will get your score,
Speaker:and it and it gives you an excuse me. It gives you an
Speaker:idea where your strengths are and where
Speaker:you need some support. And so either way, you meet
Speaker:with me, we go over it, and we either get you off and
Speaker:running because you're like, You know, there's ahas
Speaker:in there, and you're like, I got it. You know? Or it's like, I want
Speaker:you to stay with me, Elle, and hold my hand. This is new. I want
Speaker:it, but I want, you know, you to be there with me. So it
Speaker:it can go either way. However, no matter what, when you
Speaker:do that personal assessment, you go, and I
Speaker:feel like I'm one of the few people in the in if you say in
Speaker:the coaching realm, I'm a firm believer. Let's do
Speaker:more of what you're good at. Don't spend time trying
Speaker:to make you better in those areas where you're not, you know,
Speaker:innately. Because if you don't enjoy it, what's what's the point?
Speaker:Because you can hire somebody to do those types of
Speaker:things. You know, you can collaborate. You can so many things. So
Speaker:let's polish your real your brilliance, and that's what the
Speaker:scorecard's all about. Like, let's find where you shine and go from there. And,
Speaker:you know, that's that's exactly what you know, you don't need to be fixed. You
Speaker:need to be found. And and I often say to people, you know,
Speaker:if you're doing if you're doing the filing, you know, that's like
Speaker:hiring an MBA to to do your filing for you. When you could hire
Speaker:somebody filing, you can stay in your creative thing
Speaker:that you do. And so the
Speaker:other piece that I the other reason I think this is so important, the other
Speaker:reason that that I I wanted to bring you to my community
Speaker:is, as entrepreneurs, we're good
Speaker:at what we're good at. And so we are good at
Speaker:managing projects, you know, and, you know, what
Speaker:we do. But the first step before that
Speaker:really is knowing about yourself, managing, and leading
Speaker:yourself. And that's why so many programs start with a mindset
Speaker:or, you know, getting clear about what you're good at.
Speaker:And that's the part that so many entrepreneurs skip. And I
Speaker:think when you do that, you take the time
Speaker:to do that, it will skyrocket your business. It will be a jump
Speaker:start because it will take care of all the all the hidden anchors that
Speaker:you're dragging along with you so that you're free to take
Speaker:off. So, you know, I I
Speaker:hope everybody will take advantage of this incredibly
Speaker:generous gift and the this wonderful experience. So
Speaker:alright. So here's your trick trick question. When was the last
Speaker:time you did something new for the first time?
Speaker:So what's funny about that is there's a caveat. So I do
Speaker:a lot of new things, but here's the catch. Only after
Speaker:I've watched a lot of other people do them first,
Speaker:I'm not the first one. That's right. I neither am I.
Speaker:Neither am I. And so,
Speaker:however, extremely recently, I'm taking on singing
Speaker:lessons, and that's something that I've wanted
Speaker:to do my whole life. I've kinda dabbled in it a little bit,
Speaker:and, I'm I'm competitive by nature. You wouldn't know that
Speaker:I'm a closet competitor. But I would see other people
Speaker:do well with scales, you know, and the things that get you going in your
Speaker:singing lessons. And I just wasn't progressing, so I'm like, forget
Speaker:it. But now I'm willing to put in the work. It's
Speaker:like, if you want this, this is how you get there. And I found
Speaker:a teacher that works with your personality,
Speaker:not just your tonality, and I really loved that.
Speaker:So I'm taking singing lessons. So so
Speaker:when when when the student is ready, the teacher will come?
Speaker:Yeah. That's exactly what happened. Yeah. And and I
Speaker:feel like that that's what that's how I ran into you. We have so many
Speaker:similarities because I'm not I'm not, what what did they
Speaker:call that? A market leader. You know, you buy the first thing. I'm I kinda
Speaker:wait. I'm a tail end kind of person. I wanna see how it goes and
Speaker:and that kind of stuff. So, I'm I'm with you
Speaker:there. Alright. So Yeah.
Speaker:I I can't believe the time has gone so fast.
Speaker:Again, I just want I I guess there's three points
Speaker:that I want you to take away or, Al, three
Speaker:points that you know, one is you
Speaker:have innate abilities, and so you don't need to be fixed. You can
Speaker:collaborate and find other people to work with it.
Speaker:Two, when you can identify what your
Speaker:strengths are, that can help you put together a
Speaker:mosaic much better, and that's what your gift is gonna do. And you know what
Speaker:popped into my mind? There's I don't know the name of it, but there's this
Speaker:Japanese art where you you put something back
Speaker:together and, you know, you celebrate it for its imperfections
Speaker:and it's whatever. I should find that because I like that
Speaker:analogy. And three,
Speaker:you're always evolving, I think. And the more you
Speaker:evolve, the better you get and the more you
Speaker:can, you know, be set free to be yourself because you realize the
Speaker:world needs you the way you are, not the way somebody thinks
Speaker:you should be, I guess, is what I would is what I would say.
Speaker:And I I don't know if I missed anything or
Speaker:in summing that up. Yeah. What the what you are
Speaker:versus what people think you should be is stellar
Speaker:advice, but you've gotta know who you are.
Speaker:Some people don't know how to pull the blanket or you know what I mean?
Speaker:Get that's that's the true journey
Speaker:is who am I. And then as you evolve, you will
Speaker:continue to say who am I? Who am I? Who am I? And I love
Speaker:the power of I am, so be mindful whenever you say I am,
Speaker:whatever follows that is your truth. Yes. So stop saying I'm
Speaker:lazy or I'm unorganized or whatever those negative words. Just
Speaker:stop. You don't have to lie to yourself that doesn't work. You can't say I'm
Speaker:organized. Your brain's gonna go, who are you talking about? But you can just
Speaker:stop saying the negative thing and focus more on
Speaker:I am fun. I am vibrant. You know? I'm a great
Speaker:writer. You know? All those that define
Speaker:you, the power of your I am statements. It it
Speaker:can be scary to be yourself, but it is so
Speaker:rewarding when you realize that you
Speaker:the people that you draw to you value you for who you are.
Speaker:Yeah. Absolutely. Alright. I need to wind this up.
Speaker:Okay. We're having too much fun. But Too much fun. As
Speaker:always, as a first step, make sure that you download this
Speaker:gift because it is a generous one. Not only is it a generous tool, but
Speaker:a generous gift of time and expertise.
Speaker:And I also wanna make sure that you subscribe and share,
Speaker:this podcast with other people. And, you know, one of the reasons that
Speaker:I do this is to to help the community and give you new
Speaker:insights and new information so that, you can
Speaker:fuel your growth, you know, and and impact in the world. And so
Speaker:I hope that you will continue to join me with for the One Small Change
Speaker:as we embark on this journey, and you get to see how
Speaker:seemingly small changes can have a monumental transformation.
Speaker:And if you haven't listened to the first episode where I started, you should
Speaker:do so because, one, you'll see how diff how much better I am
Speaker:now, but but you'll also see what the premise of the show
Speaker:is and see some other people that you may not have seen yet. So,
Speaker:Elle, do you have any last words of wisdom for people to take
Speaker:away with them? I think the wisdom comes from the other
Speaker:side of the work that I do. Slow down and take a breath. We don't
Speaker:have enough oxygen in our body to function, so we're in, you
Speaker:know, survival mode. Slow down sometimes. Breathe before
Speaker:you respond. Right? Just take those
Speaker:bigger, longer, slower, deeper, more meaningful breaths and
Speaker:watch how easily things can shift. So there
Speaker:really is a scientific reason to stop and take a breath?
Speaker:Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You get more oxygen in the brain. You
Speaker:can get to the alpha level of consciousness where the ego's not running the show
Speaker:anytime you want. It's free. I have a model that
Speaker:says stop. Do you know? Before you do anything else,
Speaker:stop and ask yourself what's going
Speaker:right because it take it it turns you around from going to the the
Speaker:negative. So maybe now I should say stop, take a
Speaker:breath, and think about what's going right so they can be even better.
Speaker:Alright, guys. Our time is
Speaker:up. But as always, I want you to remember that change is simple,
Speaker:but it's not always easy. It takes courage,
Speaker:resilience, and a willingness to step out of your comfort zone. And
Speaker:so I hope that you will take this, you know, bit of information
Speaker:and and use it to do that. And I hope you will continue to
Speaker:join me on the one small change podcast as we embark on
Speaker:this on this journey, so that you see what other
Speaker:innovative possibilities are out there. Until the next time,
Speaker:stay curious. Elle, thank you so much for coming
Speaker:and for your great wisdom.