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I also love four baddies in a dungeon.
Speaker B:Phenomenal.
Speaker B:I love hearing, I love hearing four baddies in a dungeon for you, man.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I, I like that.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's my vibe.
Speaker A:We love, we love supporting for you.
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker B:The Armada Kenobi.
Speaker A:I'm not a monster.
Speaker A:Welcome to films in black and white, everybody.
Speaker B:It's not mouth horns, but it's jazz.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:Love that applause interaction.
Speaker A:Welcome to fields of black and white.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:It is the Markman and Bri guy or Bry guy and Markman.
Speaker A:Whatever it is you prefer.
Speaker A:We don't give a.
Speaker A:That's our pod.
Speaker A:This is us.
Speaker A:It's Brian and me.
Speaker A:Brian and I. Doug is heading on vacation.
Speaker A:A well deserved vacation.
Speaker A:So he may or may not be listening from the land of Omaha.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Oh man, I hope everything is okay.
Speaker B:Sitting, sitting at the ER in the chat.
Speaker B:Hope.
Speaker B:Hope all is okay.
Speaker A:Hope that is okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But Doug is not here.
Speaker A:He's not going to be here with us because he's on a well deserved vacation with his family.
Speaker A:So shout out to his family.
Speaker A:We love the Wagners very much, but it is the Mark man and Braga show.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Just the two of us.
Speaker B:It's gonna be great.
Speaker A:Just the two of us.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:And we, I don't know, we got a bunch of random to talk about.
Speaker A:But without further ado, before we go any further, let's hear from.
Speaker A:Where is the damn thing?
Speaker B:Oh, sorry.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I'm looking for two.
Speaker A:The bright guy all the way down.
Speaker A:And then I didn't realize I scrolled all the way down.
Speaker A:So I was trying to look for something to scroll up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, Brian Rice, you're good.
Speaker A:How are you doing, my man?
Speaker B:Oh, I'm doing, I'm doing well again.
Speaker B:Happy to be here.
Speaker B:It's been, it's been a journey to get to this point.
Speaker B:We, we did a nine year old's birthday party over the weekend.
Speaker B:So all, everything that goes into that.
Speaker B:This was like the first time we did like our, like we did a friend party for Liam.
Speaker B:So we had like six, you know, super energetic, sweaty boys in our house that were just, you know, constantly at volume 10 and.
Speaker B:But it was great.
Speaker B:Liam had a great birthday party.
Speaker B:They got to play four square.
Speaker B:I made a four square thing the driveway and they just, they did that for like 45 minutes.
Speaker A:And I have never understood the, the fandom and fascination with like 9 square 4 square.
Speaker A:Because the students here, they will play that game.
Speaker A:For hours, like, really sitting there.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, yes.
Speaker A:Like, it's one of the number one things that we get as a.
Speaker A:At as.
Speaker A:As an inflatable when we go, like, rent out from companies.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is wild to me.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:And also, my nine year old is, like, telling me rules that I don't understand.
Speaker B:He's like, all right, let's do Pac Man.
Speaker B:I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker B:Like, I swear he's making half of it up.
Speaker B:But then I'll, like, go online.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, yeah, Black magic.
Speaker B:Yeah, you just, you do this, that, and the other.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't know if you can say that anymore.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't think you can do that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:And then there's like a bus stop.
Speaker B:Like, what is.
Speaker B:What does that mean?
Speaker B:Like, what's happening?
Speaker B:But yeah, no, in my head, I'm like, you're.
Speaker B:You're shelling.
Speaker B:You're shouting black magic on the school playground.
Speaker B:Like, okay, all right.
Speaker B:I guess so.
Speaker A:But that's the thing about, like, common language and universal language.
Speaker A:That's what's so interesting.
Speaker A:Like, when you look at, like, communities and cultures, those kids know exactly what the.
Speaker A:Is going when they hear black magic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, And I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But then they, you know, they pivot to Pac man and I'm.
Speaker B:And I'm like, are you just chasing each other?
Speaker B:What's happening?
Speaker A:Correlation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:That's hard, though.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, no, that was good.
Speaker B:You know, excited to talk about Elio.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker B:That's the movie we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm excited for a Marcus and Brian pod.
Speaker B:We haven't done one of these in a while.
Speaker A:It's been a while.
Speaker A:It's been a while.
Speaker A:I'm very excited about it.
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:Uh, man, I think it's been over a year, but.
Speaker B:But that's okay.
Speaker B:But why don't.
Speaker B:Why don't we get you introduced and then I'll say my bit and then we'll move on to the rest of the pod.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Marcus.
Speaker B:Marcus J. Dustin.
Speaker B:How are you?
Speaker A:I feel good.
Speaker A:I feel great.
Speaker A:Happy Post Dakota days.
Speaker A:I'm much like Brian.
Speaker A:Much like Brian.
Speaker A:I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker A:I'm just happy to just talk about the things that we want to talk about.
Speaker A:Not having to think about anything or Think for anybody, it was a great Dakota Days week, Great homecoming week.
Speaker A:Shout out to the student committee for doing their thing.
Speaker A:Shout out to all of the love this weekend.
Speaker A:Like it was kind of, kind of crazy, kind of nuts.
Speaker A:I didn't expect that.
Speaker A:But shouts out to all of the families and, and things.
Speaker A:It sounds weird to say because I'm.
Speaker A:I'm usually not this guy, but everybody that wanted to take pictures every, you know, all the kids that came up and all this other stuff, like it's hosting is so interesting because like, you are a personality and people can see you.
Speaker A:So like I host the football games.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:University.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:And so like.
Speaker A:Or the games in general.
Speaker A:And so that's so interesting of like now you see kids and they're like, you're the guy that talks.
Speaker A:Like, that's what they call me.
Speaker B:He's like, oh yeah, you're the guy that talks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I say, you know what?
Speaker A:That's accurate as, like, that's.
Speaker A:That's very accurate.
Speaker A:But it's fun.
Speaker A:It's fun to like meet new people.
Speaker A:You run into them at a restaurant.
Speaker A:They want to take pictures and they want to do also have zero idea where these pictures are going.
Speaker A:So I'm sorry if they.
Speaker A:Whatever they said is not true unless it's good things because I just don't want to be.
Speaker A:I don't want to be.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Just got to play it safe.
Speaker A:But I feel good, happy to be here with my guy.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:It's gonna be one of those pods.
Speaker A:I can feel it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Roman says hopefully in the next 15 minutes I can change my name to Driving home from the er.
Speaker A:Everybody's okay.
Speaker A:I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker A:Marcus.
Speaker A:We need a pop up pod soon.
Speaker A:My list of music wrecks is getting too long.
Speaker A:Funny enough.
Speaker A:Roman, the pop up pod will be coming back this Sunday, so join us for the pop up pod.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:You heard it here, folks.
Speaker B:Yes, you heard it here, folks.
Speaker B:Marcus, Pop up pod Sunday.
Speaker A:Join us on the pop up pod.
Speaker A:I promise you, you won't regret it.
Speaker A:Lots of music.
Speaker A:We're gonna build a community playlist.
Speaker A:We'll make this one a little bit longer.
Speaker A:But you know, beyond all that, join us for the papa pod.
Speaker A:That's on Sundays at 8, I think.
Speaker B:I mean, when Marcus feels like it.
Speaker A:Hey, you know what, Brian?
Speaker A:You know what's funny?
Speaker A:You know what would help them in following us?
Speaker B:What's that?
Speaker A:I think talking about socials.
Speaker B:That's what I. Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:What a great setup.
Speaker B:This is what a good co host looks like, folks.
Speaker B:Hey, folks, the best way to follow us, keep up to date with everything is to follow us on socials.
Speaker B:You can catch us on Facebook, Instagram, and I'm looking here.
Speaker B:Oh, I can't do the Twitch one, but Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
Speaker B:You can find us at Films in black and white.
Speaker B:On Twitch.
Speaker B:You can find us at Films, black, the letter N, white, and then on Patreon.
Speaker B:That is one of the best ways to financially support us.
Speaker B:Go to patreon.com/films in black and white.
Speaker B:Sign up for a way to donate financially.
Speaker B:If that.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:As you are able.
Speaker B:That is what it keeps us independent.
Speaker B:We can say what we want, when we want.
Speaker B:That's how we're able to talk about what we talk about.
Speaker B:Like maybe watch four Superman movies in a row in the summer just for funsies.
Speaker A:I'm still tired from that shit.
Speaker B:I was so.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:Even after that, after we watched all those movies, I was like, I'm going to watch my adventures with Superman on HBO Max.
Speaker B:And I got to the third episod and I was like, I need a palate cleanser.
Speaker A:That's enough.
Speaker B:Definitely need a minute.
Speaker B:Because, like, I. I need a minute.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then, you know what?
Speaker B:James Gunn knew that.
Speaker B:And he's like, hey, have you heard of Peacemaker?
Speaker B:And I was like, I have, and that has been great palette cleanser.
Speaker A:That's a great palette cleanser.
Speaker A:I. I've seen.
Speaker A:I'm not all the way caught up, but I've also been kind of spoiled with clips I have really enjoyed.
Speaker A:I enjoy what James Gun's vision is for this DCU of, like, yes, we're going to have a character and he won't look the exact same.
Speaker A:So, like, spoiler alert for everybody.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:Are you done?
Speaker A:Where are you at?
Speaker B:One episode behind.
Speaker B:But, like, I'm not super worried about it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Like, he.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:For anybody that hasn't seen Peacemaker, one more.
Speaker A:But Lex Luthor is in one of the episodes, right?
Speaker B:Yes, I see that.
Speaker A:I love that depiction of him in this Peacemaker filmography.
Speaker A:Cinematography, style versus him and Superman versus the language that he uses in Peacemaker.
Speaker A:Like, it's so incredible, and I'm so excited to see what he does with other characters in the same light.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:And I think one of the.
Speaker B:I think one of the things I'm realizing is James Gunn, has he either learned from Kevin Feige or he understood the assignment.
Speaker B:And he knows how to blend these cameos, like, seamlessly, because you don't have to do any homework to understand that he's Lex Luthor and he's.
Speaker B:And he has tech that can help the person in that particular plot point.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I think that's a talent because Marvel sometimes gets to a point where it's like, they'll do the 360Hero shot, and you're like, I don't know who that is, but I didn't watch Echo, so I hope that's not important.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:And, like, you kind of get in that situation, and they do a pretty good job of it.
Speaker B:But seeing James Gunn build it brick by brick from.
Speaker B:From the beginning is pretty satisfying.
Speaker B:And that was a really fun cameo to have show up.
Speaker A:I absolutely agree.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And which decide to do it with nobody thought John Cena.
Speaker A:And John Cena.
Speaker A:And then John Cena being Peacemaker would be a household name in a successful series so far.
Speaker A:Right from the story first, then the cameos.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, the cameos aren't just random cameos to bring people in.
Speaker A:Like, I kind of feel like Iron Heart, and I'm sorry that it's got to take the brunt of my.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Poor Iron Heart.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker A:But it's got to take the brunt of this insult a little bit, because I feel like the thing that kept me tied to Iron Heart was to see who was going to show up.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Primarily.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it turned out being.
Speaker A:I get.
Speaker A:I guess, spoiler Mephisto.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Then that announcement came out, and then nobody gave a. Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:I mean, it's so weird.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:I mean, I think we could probably, at some point, and if people want this, tell us in the comments or sign up for Patreon, tell us to do an episode.
Speaker B:But we could probably do a full episode on Ironheart.
Speaker B:And, like, what happened with that show.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, just from, like, a narrative standpoint, because there's just so much happening there that, like, we could talk about it for an hour.
Speaker B:Because the first three episodes of Ironheart are completely different from the last three.
Speaker B:Boy and I. I mean, that's just to start Whiplash.
Speaker A:Like a.
Speaker A:Like, I remember we were dissecting it in real time because somebody on this podcast had not seen it, so he had to go in a separate chat that he won't let us live.
Speaker B:Dougie Fresh.
Speaker B:Yep, we got the man and Bry guy chat without Doug.
Speaker B:We love you, Doug.
Speaker A:We've never used that Chat.
Speaker A:We're trying to protect you.
Speaker A:Did we, like, try to make a new chat?
Speaker A:And then he was like, oh, so you guys just got a chat now, huh?
Speaker A:I was like, what the.
Speaker B:We gotta talk.
Speaker B:We gotta talk about Ironheart.
Speaker B:Spoilers.
Speaker A:It was great, but it gives you.
Speaker A:But Brian's right.
Speaker A:It just gave you whiplash, man.
Speaker A:That could be a whole episode in itself.
Speaker A:But I am excited for.
Speaker A:For what James Gunn's going to continue to do and another Superman movie.
Speaker A:I know I just said I was kind of tired, but we get to see him again.
Speaker A:So, anyway, what else is new?
Speaker A:What's new in your life?
Speaker A:Anything you watch and playing.
Speaker B:Before I get on to that and before we get to some of the other fun stuff, Marcus and I have been talking privately, and I wanted to use this platform to talk a little bit about something that's happening with current events.
Speaker B:That's usually not our bag, but it's also important to acknowledge things that are happening around you.
Speaker B:So I also understand people come to this podcast to kind of let go and not think about the current world.
Speaker B:However, there's some stuff that I gotta use and say with this platform, and I'm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna say it, and then we'll get back to our regularly scheduled program.
Speaker B:Marcus and I are going to jam.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about the movie Elio.
Speaker B:But I'm gonna just start off, and I'm just gonna say it, that what ICE is doing in Chicago is immoral and.
Speaker B:And families are being hunted, children are being traumatized.
Speaker B:And when I say that, I know more people might actually listen to this because they're seeing an angry white man with a microphone, and that's messed up in its own right.
Speaker B:I could do a whole podcast just about that.
Speaker B:But looking at all of this, there's a line from Andor that really sticks with me, and that's.
Speaker B:Oppression is the mask of fear, and that's what this is.
Speaker B:There's fearful bullies in Chicago wearing a badge and bullying these people.
Speaker B:And we've seen this story before.
Speaker B:We're a movie podcast.
Speaker B:We've talked about movies before.
Speaker B:But this is also happening in real life.
Speaker B:But we see it in movies like Schindler's List, Children of Men, even Captain America, the First Avenger.
Speaker B:And standing up to cruelty isn't only this heroic act of rebellion.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a duty at this point.
Speaker B:And so come close, white people.
Speaker B:I'm talking to you.
Speaker B:If you have a position of privilege, you need to start showing up for your community.
Speaker B:When ICE raids happen, support immigrant led groups.
Speaker B:You need to donate, speak out, and at the bare minimum, refuse to be silent about this and how immoral it is, because fear hides behind oppression.
Speaker B:And at this point, our duty is to tear off that mask, look it in the eye and, and act on it so that this can stop.
Speaker B:And that's what I'm going to say right now.
Speaker B:I could keep rambling, but I think it's really important that we use this platform for good to say things like this.
Speaker B:It might be a smaller platform than some other podcasters, but we think it's really important to say that.
Speaker B:And so we'll start getting back to our more regularly scheduled content.
Speaker B:But I also want to throw it to Marcus to see if there's anything he wants to add, if there's anything you want to say before we start moving on.
Speaker A:Oh, boy, Brian, you smoke this.
Speaker A:Oh, you smoke that.
Speaker A:Hey, listen.
Speaker A:I stand as a private citizen, a representative of the University of South Dakota or my job or my career, any.
Speaker A:In any capacity as a private citizen.
Speaker B:Private citizen.
Speaker B:Marcus.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Stand with Bryant, with Brian.
Speaker A:Sorry, my other friend's name is Brian Fine.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But I stand with Brian wholeheartedly.
Speaker A:I stand with the city of Chicago and those actually standing up and doing.
Speaker A:I, I want to recognize the videos and it's like a lot of depressive things are happening out there right now that does play a.
Speaker A:A part on, like, the things that we consume.
Speaker A:As much as we talk about movies and shows and all of the fun stuff, the, the negativity in the world also impacts us in a different way that has us running to this podcast and to other mediums that, that are similar to, to escape.
Speaker A:But the reality is, is that eventually we must stand up because if not, you know, we've seen enough movies and we know the scripts enough, like Brian said, like so, so eloquently what happens if we don't?
Speaker A:And so I, I stand with him wholeheartedly.
Speaker A:I stand with those impacted.
Speaker A:More than thoughts and prayers, I send.
Speaker A:I send strength and love and compassion and empathy where it lacks the most.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:That was beautiful, Brian.
Speaker B:Oh, I, I appreciate you.
Speaker B:I love this podcast.
Speaker B:I see Roman in the chat.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:We're gonna have more details about what we're donating our $100 from.
Speaker B:Catch that quotable to.
Speaker B:We're going to be splitting that donation.
Speaker B:We're going to be having half of that go to the victims from the Texas floods, and then we'll be donating another half of that to an organization that we need to research that is helping immigrants on the ground in Chicago being impacted by the actions of the federal government.
Speaker B:So we'll, we'll be getting more to that.
Speaker B:We wanted to talk about it more as a.
Speaker B:As a pod, but yeah, we will be donating money to that and we'll have more news with that hopefully next week is.
Speaker B:Is our plan here since this came up.
Speaker B:So we'll get back to our regularly scheduled programming here, but we wanted to make sure that was said and we used our.
Speaker B:Used our platform to do something.
Speaker A:That was clean, man.
Speaker A:That was clean.
Speaker B:Hey, I appreciate you, man.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's all good vibes here.
Speaker B:But, you know, to your question, before I started talking, what have I been playing?
Speaker B:I've been playing a lot of Hades 2, Marcus.
Speaker B:I'm playing a lot of Hades 2 on the Switch.
Speaker B:Are you.
Speaker A:What is Hades 2?
Speaker A:No, I'm not very.
Speaker A:I've seen a couple trailers, but I don't know what it is.
Speaker A:You break it down for me?
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh, I would love to.
Speaker B:So I could actually, man, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe I'll try to get.
Speaker B:Try to get this streaming here, but essentially what it is is a.
Speaker B:It's a dungeon crawler, but the catch is, is that it's a roguelike dungeon crawler.
Speaker B:And so I'm going to bring up some gameplay footage.
Speaker B:But essentially what you're doing is you're playing as the daughter of Hades and you're trying to take down Kronos and you're going through these dungeons, like, level by level, and there might be like, you know, three or four.
Speaker B:You know, there might be like three or four baddies in the first chamber.
Speaker B:And then you get an upgrade like, oh, my attacks do ice damage now or, you know, whatever it might be.
Speaker B:You get these various upgrades from, you know, the different Greek gods, essentially, it's all set in Greek mythology.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna pull up some gameplay here.
Speaker B:I finally found a.
Speaker B:A good, good stream here and all.
Speaker A:The four baddies in a dungeon.
Speaker B:Phenomenal.
Speaker B:I love hearing.
Speaker B:I love hearing four baddies in a dungeon for you, man.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I, I like that.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's my vibe.
Speaker A:We love supporting friends.
Speaker B:We love supporting the baddies in the dungeons.
Speaker A:In the dungeon, baby.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah, I love this stuff.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, I'm pulling this from somebody else's stream here, but essentially you kind of get the idea that you're running around as melanoue and you're basically fighting these different demons, trying to make your Way to Kronos.
Speaker B:So you're going, you know, you're upgrading your weapons, you're getting these upgrades, and then you just keep doing it again.
Speaker B:You go to the next chamber and you keep fighting.
Speaker B:And so the story progresses, like, in a way where you.
Speaker B:Once you die, you go all the way to the start, you lose all your upgrade, you lose all your upgrades.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You have to start all over again.
Speaker B:Yeah, I will definitely credit.
Speaker B:I'll definitely credit the streamer here in just a second.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The name is eluding me right now, but essentially you're.
Speaker B:You're just doing this all over again.
Speaker B:And obviously the benefit is, is like, oh, I get to, like, make a new build every single time I do, like, my dungeon run.
Speaker B:The downside is, once you die, all those upgrades go away.
Speaker B:You got to start over again.
Speaker B:Oh, every time, Every time.
Speaker B:So you have to do it all in one go.
Speaker B:Now, there's some persistent stuff that you can do that, that you can do.
Speaker B:So there's like a cauldron basically, that melanoy can cast spells on.
Speaker B:So it's like, hey, you might find more rooms with gold and you can use gold to buy upgrades and stuff like that.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or like, oh, hey, you might be more likely to find a room with just health, which, since if you die, you start all over again.
Speaker B:That is like the top.
Speaker B:That is like that top commodity here.
Speaker B:And so this is.
Speaker B:We're showing the gameplay here on the stream, and that's.
Speaker B:That's pretty much it.
Speaker B:Like, you're just.
Speaker B:You're doing.
Speaker B:This is the gameplay loop, Marcus, that you just saw.
Speaker B:You clear the room, you pick up the upgrade, and then you move on to the next room.
Speaker A:And you got to do this shit in one run.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Now, there's, like, different things where it's like, you can get an upgrade where, like, you have death defiance.
Speaker B:So, like, you can die once and come back with, like, half health.
Speaker B:There's another one that'll restore your health, like, every chamber, like, by three points or whatever.
Speaker B:But, like, you start getting to a point where, like, you.
Speaker B:You maybe get past what you've known.
Speaker B:So you're like, I have no idea what I'm doing.
Speaker B:Like, one of the.
Speaker B:One of the bosses.
Speaker B:I'll try to find it in this stream.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:I. I can't.
Speaker B:I don't know if I can find it.
Speaker B:But basically, you fight against skilla and the sire.
Speaker B:So you're like, wait, is there one boss?
Speaker B:Or am I, like, fighting three bosses?
Speaker B:You don't know, it's the first time you've done this, you're probably gonna die and have to do the whole thing over again.
Speaker A:So I start back at level one.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That is, like.
Speaker B:That is what it means to be the roguelike dungeon crawler.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it's super addicting because these encounters, like the one we're watching, these are maybe two to three minutes.
Speaker B:Like, these are maybe two to three minutes, and then it's over.
Speaker B:So that you get that time to reset or pick your upgrade and then you go do it again.
Speaker B:And there's like four different, like, larger areas, and there's usually about eight to 10 of these levels that we're watching right now that make up one of those regions that's cool as hell.
Speaker A:I like this art style.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, the art style is phenomenal.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:It's kind of cell art style, but it's super detailed and it's from Super Giant Games.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, let me.
Speaker B:Let me.
Speaker A:The dungeon crawler before, actually.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:I mean, like, it is basically.
Speaker B:I mean, I want to say, like, it vibes with Diablo if.
Speaker A:I've never played Diablo.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I've seen the.
Speaker A:I've seen the.
Speaker A:The gameplay.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And Nikki, to your point, I was riffing off of Wolfheart FPS on.
Speaker B:On YouTube.
Speaker B:So if you want to go find out more of his stuff, that's whose stream we were using to Nikki, that's.
Speaker A:Actually the fourth person on our part.
Speaker A:We just.
Speaker B:We just haven't announced Secret Wolfheart.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I've been playing that nonstop.
Speaker B:Marcus.
Speaker B:I'm just.
Speaker B:I'm just continuing to go through the underworld and try to kill Kronos, but I've been stopped many times.
Speaker B:It was funny, though, because Saturday night I got, like, the farthest I'd ever been, and just this feeling of like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker B:I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker B:I'm in the fields.
Speaker B:I'm in these, like, demon fields, but I don't know where to go, so I guess I'll just die.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:So do you get faster each.
Speaker A:I'm assuming you get faster each round because you.
Speaker A:Yeah, the goal is not to die a lot, but also you get some practice.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:You get to a point where, like, you've memorized some of this stuff and each chamber will still be different.
Speaker B:Like, when you even go through the same region, like, they'll still mix it up.
Speaker B:So it's Kind of this, like.
Speaker B:Like, spin the wheel to.
Speaker B:To see what you get.
Speaker B:And so they're still the same enemies, but they might be ordered differently.
Speaker B:There might be a different sub boss.
Speaker B:Like, even last night, like, I got to the second area and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna fight the squid guy.
Speaker B:And instead it was like, oops, Actually, it's a giant rat.
Speaker B:And you're like.
Speaker B:And it's just a different boss.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I have no idea what I'm doing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I said, they're walking through an alley once.
Speaker A:I'm gonna fight the skin.
Speaker A:And then you just see a giant rat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it's very relatable.
Speaker A:Four baddies in a dungeon.
Speaker A:We are good.
Speaker A:We're good, Nikki.
Speaker A:Thank you for asking.
Speaker A:How are you doing?
Speaker A:It's been a while.
Speaker A:I feel like we don't get to see you as much.
Speaker A:I'm assuming school is busy as hell.
Speaker B:Yeah, we just feel like the regime.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're trying to take down the regime here, but, yeah, good.
Speaker B:Shout out to Nikki.
Speaker B:Joining the chat.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Everybody here can join the chat 8pm Mondays on any of our socials, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch.
Speaker B:That's for our podcast folks.
Speaker B:You can join the show and comment, and we'll.
Speaker B:We'll.
Speaker B:We'll get back to you.
Speaker B:We'll talk to you in real time.
Speaker B:So whether it's about Hades or something else, but.
Speaker B:But, yeah, no, I'm obsessed with Hades.
Speaker B:I put in 80 hours with the first Hades game, so I'm.
Speaker B:I'm expecting somewhere between, like, 40 to 60 hours with this, so.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:We'll see what happens.
Speaker A:That's not your first dungeon crawler that you played, though, right?
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I finished Diablo 4, and I put easily 75 hours into that and the weird Marcus.
Speaker B:The other part, I'll say here is I played it with friends.
Speaker B:And then Maggie's like, hey, what's that?
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, this is Diablo.
Speaker B:It's a dungeon crawler.
Speaker B:And she's like, wait, can you do magic?
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker B:So then we started our own game.
Speaker B:So I'm in the middle of a second game with Maggie.
Speaker A:Y' all cool as hell.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, she saw what we were doing.
Speaker A:PC.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's on the PS5.
Speaker A:It's on PS5.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:Yeah, we play at the same time with PS5 controllers, which is a ton of fun.
Speaker B:And, like, half of it is literally just like.
Speaker B:She's like, I don't know, should I like buff up my like fire fireball spell with lightning or like do I do blades that come from the ground?
Speaker B:And it's like we talk for, you know, 10 minutes about that before we actually move on to the dungeon.
Speaker A:That is so disgustingly cute.
Speaker A:I cannot stand it.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:O well that's really.
Speaker A:Can't wait to nerd out with the love of my life.
Speaker A:That is gonna hit like cracking 80s.
Speaker A:That is hard.
Speaker B:I. I highly recommend it.
Speaker B:Finding, you know, doing something you enjoy with your partner.
Speaker B:Highly recommend it.
Speaker B:Having a similar hobby.
Speaker B:I. I do, I do recommend it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:But yeah, I've been obsessed with Hades too.
Speaker B:So Maggie's been playing Dreamlight Valley and then I play Hades next to her, which are like completely two different games.
Speaker B:Like she's like it Dreamlight Valley from Disney's basically like the Sims but with Disney characters and a little bit of story.
Speaker B:So she's like building castles and decorating her kitchen and Lumiere's there and Moana's hanging out.
Speaker B:And then you like do a, you know, a split screen with me and here's like the daughter of Hades.
Speaker B:Like I will revenge and like just tearing through demons and ghouls with blood spilling out with razor blades and frost and you know, it's a great split screen.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:That's so stinky cute.
Speaker A:I just cannot.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You're nice.
Speaker B:You're nice.
Speaker B:What about, what about you?
Speaker B:How is your Assassin's Creed journey treating you?
Speaker A:Boy?
Speaker A:I am not even.
Speaker A:I think I'm at like 13 or something like that.
Speaker B:Are you really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's just because I'm really trying to discover everything.
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you how dumb I am.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:So this entire time I have been playing, I didn't fix any settings.
Speaker A:I just turned on my Xbox and went.
Speaker A:So my screen is probably a it.
Speaker A:I don't think it's a 50.
Speaker A:It's like a.
Speaker A:It's like a nice Roku mid sized tv.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a nice tv.
Speaker A:It's my front room tv.
Speaker A:So it's the biggest.
Speaker A:That's why it's like the one that's in it.
Speaker A:So I have been playing on the non widescreen version of all of my Xbox games.
Speaker A:Like because I didn't like have it adjust to the HDMI core.
Speaker A:So this entire time I've already fallen in love with this fucking game.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:But I'm playing on a square.
Speaker A:That's this big.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, it's just black.
Speaker A:So yesterday I went.
Speaker A:And I was just like.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I went and I went and engaged in the herbals of the earth.
Speaker A:And one day I was just thinking.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, why the fuck.
Speaker A:Let me look at the settings.
Speaker A:And I went and changed this shit.
Speaker A:Went widescreen.
Speaker A:Blew my fucking mind.
Speaker B:You're in the story now.
Speaker B:You're on the ship, Marcus.
Speaker A:And it looks.
Speaker A:This Xbox is over 2 years old.
Speaker A:And this bitch looks good, right?
Speaker A:Like, I am enjoying myself driving ships.
Speaker A:It's like Grand Theft Auto.
Speaker A:For a pirate, that shit is cool as fuck.
Speaker A:This game is so good compared to Revelations.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker A:I don't know what happened.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Well, revel.
Speaker B:So Revelation.
Speaker B:Okay, so the quick story here is that Black Flag, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I want to make.
Speaker B:I want to make sure to get this right, because I'm gonna look up the Assassin's Creed release order.
Speaker B:But basically, Revelations was the ending of a trilogy.
Speaker B:Oh, like that was about an assassin named Ezio.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And so there were, like, three of those games focusing on Ezio.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was the original Assassin's Creed.
Speaker B:Then it was Brotherhood.
Speaker B:And then they're like, all right.
Speaker B:Or, sorry, it was Assassin's Creed.
Speaker B:And then you had Assassin's Creed 2, which started the.
Speaker B:The trilogy.
Speaker B:Then it was Revelations.
Speaker B:Then it was Assassin's Creed 3, which kind of involved Ezio kind of not, but like, two.
Speaker B:Brotherhood and Revelations were Ezio's story.
Speaker B:And then you had Assassin's Creed 3, which is a revolutionary war, which it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That's a whole other story.
Speaker B:But then you had Black Flag, which was a complete deviation from everything else.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:I mean, Assassin's Creed, Black Flag gets it right.
Speaker B:Where it's just.
Speaker B:They give you everything you need within the first 20 minutes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then they just let you go.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's such a good game design.
Speaker B:And you can spend 20 hours on those ships without even touching the maze.
Speaker A:Without even touching the mate.
Speaker A:Like, that was.
Speaker A:That's the best part of.
Speaker A:I think that I'm enjoying the most is like, it's telling me a story.
Speaker A:But I just spent a lot of my time because I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm really only get to play on the weekends and in these maybe hour increments.
Speaker A:I can't really play throughout the week.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:So it's like, oh, I'm itching to play, like, Black Flag.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So I'll turn that bitch on for, like, 15 minutes, get a good.
Speaker A:You know, get a couple games in, get a couple kills, and then I'm good.
Speaker A:But this game is just really, it.
Speaker A:It really tells its story quickly and well and its purpose.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it kind of unlocked things.
Speaker A:It unlocked enough.
Speaker A:One of the things I like in this is, like, the cheat.
Speaker A:You have to unlock the cheat code ability.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:To put in cheats.
Speaker A:And I was like, that is such a smart way to.
Speaker A:To phrase a game of like, yeah, maybe you do want to use some cheats to, like, get through some things or mod it up or whatever the it may be.
Speaker A:Here's a thing you gotta unlock in order to do that, which requires you to still, to some extent, fall in love with the game.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:And I think Black Flag, I think you nailed it.
Speaker B:It gives you the ability to break the game, like, in a fun way, and you do have to earn it a little bit.
Speaker B:But once you have it, it's like, all right, that's it.
Speaker B:Like, you just.
Speaker B:I don't know, go have fun.
Speaker B:Like, you can totally tell they're trying to break away from having such a strict narrative.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And Assassin's Creed 3 was about the Revolutionary War, and it was about, like, this really, really intense narrative about this guy who was the son of a British general and then he had to fight in the.
Speaker B:You know, in the Revolutionary War.
Speaker B:And so, like, you get this huge narrative.
Speaker B:But then, like, I want to.
Speaker B:I want to pull up.
Speaker B:I'm going to screen share here.
Speaker B:And then you get gameplay.
Speaker B:You get gameplay like this.
Speaker B:And it's just like, all right, you just bomb this for it with your ship.
Speaker B:Just go for it, man.
Speaker B:You just go like, assassin who?
Speaker B:I'm a. I'm admiral.
Speaker B:I'm Admiral Assassin Now.
Speaker B:Like, with explosions, like, you get the.
Speaker A:Plunder ships, you get like, I think it's crazy as to me whipping a ship.
Speaker A:Like, I am driving this, but when I say Grand Theft Auto, I really got that from the experience of driving the ship around.
Speaker A:Hey, your wanted score goes up, you can go bribe a officer if you want to get them off your back.
Speaker A:Like, you can even plunder the ships and hop on them and kill the crew and take all their stuff or just like, it is such.
Speaker A:That's just the ship stuff.
Speaker A:Like, that doesn't include docking and exploring.
Speaker B:The islands or even, like, assassinating people, like, to move the story forward of like, I don't really know why I'm assassinating these people, but they gotta go.
Speaker B:They got.
Speaker B:They gotta go.
Speaker B:Exactly what you said.
Speaker B:Marcus, the game told me they gotta go.
Speaker A:They told me the game said they gotta go.
Speaker B:But yeah, I'll stop.
Speaker B:I'll stop screen sharing here.
Speaker B:But I really wanted to make this point of like, it just was this huge tone shift of like, sneak around this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Don't move a muscle.
Speaker B:Only use a knife.
Speaker B:And then it's like, anyway.
Speaker B:Use 10 cannons to blow up a tower.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's so fire.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I just want to give major props and shout outs to first of all, Brian and Doug, because when I was going back and forth, I, like, I originally wasn't.
Speaker A:I was just going to play through revelations first and then go into it, and then I played it and then I was like, man, this I have to like, go get something else.
Speaker A:So shout out to them.
Speaker A:My one thing for the Assassin's Creed series that I think would be interesting and maybe this defeats the purpose of Assassin's Creed, but I think that it's now time you go to the future.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Oh, 100.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, I definitely think you have to go.
Speaker A:You got to shift the story forward.
Speaker A:I think that you can do a couple tellings and maybe it is a connected story, but of being an Assassin Creed assassin in the future.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:The things you can use all the things, like the.
Speaker A:The gear that the.
Speaker A:You could do a Tron bike instead of a pirate boat.
Speaker A:Like, I would make it exactly like this.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:My jam.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I'm actually really surprised they didn't go that route or have a modern day.
Speaker B:Oh, we'll answer that question.
Speaker B:I'm really surprised they never moved to a modern day Assassin's Creed.
Speaker B:That made a lot of sense to me.
Speaker B:After they did the Ezio trilogy, I was like, oh, like, clearly I'm gonna be Desmond, the guy who's going in the Animus or whatever.
Speaker B:And because, like, that's my ancestor and now I have all these skills to be an assassin.
Speaker B:Like, so I assumed it was going to be skyscrapers and office buildings and like, that was going to be the aesthetic.
Speaker B:And then they're like, just kidding.
Speaker B:How about the Revolutionary War?
Speaker B:And it's like, that's fine, I guess.
Speaker A:But, like, it relies on the past a lot, right?
Speaker A:Like, it just.
Speaker A:It relies on the past a lot.
Speaker A:The cool thing about the future, I think it would be, it's.
Speaker A:You could take either out.
Speaker A:Like, there's multiple futures.
Speaker A:There's like the steam engine future type deal or more of a matrix type future Type like.
Speaker A:Or cyberpunk.
Speaker A:Ish type, you know, type deal.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I just think that would be a way better story.
Speaker A:But anyway, that's what I've been doing.
Speaker A:And the streaming fucking solar.
Speaker A:Opt opposites like that.
Speaker B:That's it, man.
Speaker B:Have you.
Speaker B:So I can't remember what season it's in.
Speaker B:Are you.
Speaker B:Have you made it to the season where they have, like, the episode about the terrarium people, like, the little people.
Speaker A:Brian, that.
Speaker A:That is my whole.
Speaker A:This show is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Is good to me.
Speaker A:It's in my top of, like, of this realm of animation of, like, that animation of, like, Family Guy is my top.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad.
Speaker A:Then I get into, you know, Rick and Morty, like, that realm of television.
Speaker A:I never understood Bob's Burgers, but I understand that.
Speaker A:I've enjoyed the couple episodes I've watched, but I'm not a Bob's Burger fanatic like most are.
Speaker B:I'll put it.
Speaker B:I'll put.
Speaker B:We can come back.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But I've really been enjoying that.
Speaker A:But the story of the people in the wall is the reason that got me.
Speaker A:It's three stories, right?
Speaker A:There's the Silver Cop story, then there is the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The people in the wall, and then, like, the main story that happens.
Speaker A:But that fucking wall story is the one that got me.
Speaker A:They built a world in a world.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I feel.
Speaker B:So the writing team with Rick and Morty and Solar Opposite, and I know they share some DNA.
Speaker B:And I'm not talking about Justin Roland, by the way.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We know he's not involved anymore.
Speaker B:Like, the writing team does a really good job of kind of disarming you a little bit of, like, what a silly premise.
Speaker B:People, little people get shrunk and they get stuck in this.
Speaker B:You know, they get stuck in the.
Speaker B:The wall, which is like a human terrarium.
Speaker B:And then you find out, like, they have these lives that you immediately connect with.
Speaker B:And I feel like for art, that is such a talent to tell a story and have audiences immediately connect with it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I remember I. I think it was the first wall story when it got flooded or something.
Speaker B:And, like, out of nowhere, Christina Hendricks is, like, putting in a performance that no one expects for a story about tiny people in a wall.
Speaker B:Yeah, but she's like, my camera.
Speaker B:I can't remember the exact plot point, but she says, my father died at the ranch.
Speaker B:And, like, this is all I have now.
Speaker B:And it's like, I. I don't know.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker A:It's It's.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's really the.
Speaker A:The best part about that, and that is not what we're reviewing, but the best part about the story in the Wall.
Speaker A:To me, what pulled me in was it's.
Speaker A:When you're talking about world building, that's my two favorite things is world building and power scaling.
Speaker A:I love those in stories.
Speaker A:It's partly why I love the.
Speaker A:The anime solo leveling.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:World building and.
Speaker A:And power scaling.
Speaker A:It does a.
Speaker A:It does a really, really good job at taking.
Speaker A:So the aliens are shrinking real people from the real world that they don't like, and he's putting in.
Speaker A:Putting them inside this wall, in this terrarium.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:But it works because.
Speaker A:Because they're a part of this world on the outside that we're all connected to.
Speaker A:They bring in real world puns and jokes and connections that make sense in this new world that they're building.
Speaker A:So it's not like, oh, these people, they look like humans but wouldn't understand.
Speaker A:Like, pop culture references.
Speaker A:No, we're gonna bring that in here.
Speaker A:And the way that they tell the story is also through pop culture references too, as well.
Speaker A:Like, it's sci fi.
Speaker A:That's the whole premise of the show is sci fi.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And they do so many good details with how.
Speaker B:They're, like, tiny people too.
Speaker B:I'm gonna bring it up here.
Speaker B:But, like, one of the pillows, like, they show a shot.
Speaker B:Yeah, there it is.
Speaker B:They show a shot of these people sleeping.
Speaker B:And the pillows are sweet and low packets, which is.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:And like, this she is.
Speaker B:And, like, the sheet is literally a piece of paper.
Speaker A:Oh, that's good.
Speaker A:I didn't see that.
Speaker B:Yeah, the headboard's a Lego.
Speaker A:Like, the headboard is a Lego.
Speaker B:It's so creative, and it makes so much sense.
Speaker B:And to your point, Marcus, like, I love the bit where they're like, tell us.
Speaker B:Tell us the news.
Speaker B:Because they have no way to get outside news.
Speaker B:And stuck.
Speaker B:They're stuck in the wall for the foreseeable future.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I. I wanted to just make that call out.
Speaker A:Oh, I love.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:That was a great shot.
Speaker A:You pulled up too.
Speaker A:Br.
Speaker A:No, this is.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is the BR guy and Mark.
Speaker A:That's what this is.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:You dig what I'm saying?
Speaker B:That's us.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Now that.
Speaker B:Oh, that makes us sound like the soulful jazz duo.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker A:I do like that.
Speaker A:I do like that.
Speaker A:Don't be jealous, Doug.
Speaker A:We love you.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Hey, I had, I had my Doug episode.
Speaker B:I had my dog episode last week.
Speaker A:I didn't get it.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:Oh, I did get it.
Speaker A:Actually.
Speaker A:I did get a dug episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:A couple weeks ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I couldn't believe.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:So, Brian, is there anything else on your heart that you'd like to share, talk about before we get into our review?
Speaker B:Honestly, I know I was, I was gonna like grasp at straws for Taylor Swift, but I don't feel like there's a ton of meat on that bone.
Speaker B:She dropped an album.
Speaker B:Some people like it, some people don't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I, I would.
Speaker A:He's married.
Speaker B:I. I can't.
Speaker B:I can't kiss right now.
Speaker B:Nikki.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:We didn't get to Nikki's question.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, we got asked, what are you dressing up for as Halloween or is it going to be a surprise?
Speaker B:I don't think it's going to be a surprise.
Speaker A:I mean, so you, your family pretty much the out.
Speaker A:Y' all go all out every time.
Speaker B:We try to do for as long as family costume.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Team with my, with my sister in law, Debbie.
Speaker B:Shout out to Debbie.
Speaker B:She helps out so much.
Speaker B:She's so great.
Speaker B:So shout out to her.
Speaker B:And so last year, you know, and other.
Speaker B:So no, not last year, but the year before that we did like Ninja Turtles and she was a piece of pizza, which was so funny.
Speaker B:So this year we're doing Pokemon and we're all getting like the Pokemon onesies.
Speaker B:So we're just keeping it really easy.
Speaker B:The only one that like I could like fit into with the adult size and I can't be Charizard because I want to be Charizard, but my 9 year old is like, I'm clearly going to be Charizard.
Speaker A:Clearly.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna be Snorlax, which I try not to take offense to.
Speaker B:But it's fine.
Speaker B:I'm the dad.
Speaker B:I'm big.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker B:I'm tall.
Speaker B:Like, it's fine.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker A:That's my babe.
Speaker A:That's not who I would have given you.
Speaker B:I don't think it's fine.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:Well, here's the other thing.
Speaker B:There's not a whole lot of options and I'm not going to be Pikachu because our youngest is probably going to be Pikachu.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or my second.
Speaker B:My, my second oldest.
Speaker B:So our youngest actually might just rebel and be Like I'm a firefighter because he hasn't chosen a Pokemon yet.
Speaker B:And then the kicker here is that, is that Maggie will probably be Ash Ketchum.
Speaker B:So we're pretty, we're pretty pumped about that.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna be Snorlax.
Speaker B:Nikki.
Speaker B:I'm Snorlax.
Speaker B:For, for Halloween, I'm just gonna sleep unless you wake me up with a magic flute.
Speaker B:Have you given it any thought here, Marcus?
Speaker A:So it's tough when you fat and it's Halloween.
Speaker A:Like I just feel like that there's like a lot of stipulations.
Speaker A:Like you almost.
Speaker A:It's either blow up suits or like you, you know, I like, I don't know, suits with a fan in it.
Speaker A:Last year I was, I was.
Speaker A:Or two years ago I was Mace Windu.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:So that was, that was like.
Speaker A:That was my favorite hands.
Speaker A:That's the first time I think I've gone all out with the costume this year.
Speaker A:I was thinking of a Megazord.
Speaker A:There's a blow up Megazord outfit or something with a T. Rex.
Speaker B:Is there really?
Speaker A:It was on Amazon.
Speaker A:I don't know if they're selling it anymore, but on Amazon there was like a blow up Megazord outfit and I was dead ass thinking of like, I need that in my life, like bad.
Speaker A:Let me see if I can pull it up.
Speaker B:Oh, oh, Marcus, did you do.
Speaker A:You got it?
Speaker A:You got it.
Speaker B:The minute you told me, I went to my friend Professor Google.
Speaker B:I see an inflatable Megazord costume.
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:This thing is kind of cool.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:This is kind of fire.
Speaker B:This is incredible.
Speaker B:This is what I'm looking at.
Speaker B:I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker A:I'm thinking about it.
Speaker A:I'm thinking about it.
Speaker A:I think that this would be super fun to wear on campus.
Speaker A:It would fulfill the 90s baby in me as well.
Speaker A:And then I get to wear year round because who would.
Speaker A:Who the fuck will tell me I can't wear year round?
Speaker B:No, this, no.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:For our, our podcast folks who are listening, I. I can only describe.
Speaker B:It is the classic 90s megazord.
Speaker B:And it is like instead of like a dinosaur blow up.
Speaker B:It is all the parts, distinctive parts of the Megazord.
Speaker B:You see the triceratops foot, you see the saber tooth foot.
Speaker B:Like, and then where the mouth would be is where the head is.
Speaker B:And Marcus, this, this needs to happen.
Speaker A:This is iconic.
Speaker A:Brian, you hyping me up.
Speaker A:So I gotta do it now.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do it now.
Speaker B:Look, man, I don't.
Speaker B:What's Amazon's choice?
Speaker B:So you know it's legit and it's 4.3 out of 5 stars.
Speaker A:So the whole, the only thing I gotta check is is it fit?
Speaker A:You know, just because it blows up doesn't mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, fit.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So like, okay, I gotta check that out.
Speaker B:But yeah, well, they don't worry.
Speaker B:Amazon has an AI and I asked it if it could go for outdoor events and it said it can be worn for outdoor.
Speaker B:Outdoor events.
Speaker B:It's designed to be worn over regular clothing.
Speaker A:Hey, maybe I'll host a game in this.
Speaker A:And so like, we'll see.
Speaker A:Let's see how that goes.
Speaker B:Man, that's the dumbest thing this AI could have said.
Speaker B:I thought I was gonna get something.
Speaker A:It's so basic.
Speaker A:And you know what else I don't like?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:Here's what I despise about all you businesses and getting your AIs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can you name them something that is relevant or easy or makes sense because.
Speaker A:Or get the ant slash and.
Speaker A:Or get them to fucking respond in a way that is connected to your website.
Speaker A:Why the fuck is Amazon, Amazon's AI called Rufus?
Speaker A:Like that is the dumbest shit in.
Speaker A:Uh huh.
Speaker A:Is Amazon.
Speaker A:Is it thing a dog?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Like what is that?
Speaker B:I, I, well, and I'm really curious.
Speaker B:Oh, it's named after the.
Speaker B:Okay, I looked it up.
Speaker B:Rufus is named after Amazon's.
Speaker B:Amazon company's first dog.
Speaker A:So why is he AI.
Speaker A:Like Rufus couldn't be something else?
Speaker B:I mean, I hope it's Alexa.
Speaker A:Like I just felt like that you have an Alexa already.
Speaker B:Call it Alexa.
Speaker B:It's right there.
Speaker A:It's right there.
Speaker B:I, I don't, I don't.
Speaker A:Just, it's weird.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker A:I didn't mean to bring the mood down.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:It needs to be said because.
Speaker B:Because Chad GPT is gonna launch their, their video AI service soon called Sora.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know what Sora means.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:Brian, that thing is scary.
Speaker A:As my brother, it is.
Speaker A:Has he made a video and it looks like he's in a movie.
Speaker A:Like a Tron, really type of sci fi movie.
Speaker A:When I say it looks like him, I said they're about to blame our black asses for crimes we ain't even thought of doing yet.
Speaker A:Oh my gosh, that shit was so realistic.
Speaker A:It is scary as fuck.
Speaker B:I do think we have to get to a point where it's gonna just be like.
Speaker B:It has.
Speaker B:It's just immediately watermarked.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't see another way around it.
Speaker B:Like, it's just hard coded, and obviously you have to.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:It has to be embedded.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, Hard coded.
Speaker A:That would be good.
Speaker B:Like, in the metadata or whatever it is.
Speaker B:Because, like, it's.
Speaker B:It's getting to the.
Speaker B:The New York Times just did a piece, and they were like, look at us parachuting from this plane and the parachute's pizza.
Speaker B:And I'm like, man, that.
Speaker B:That looks.
Speaker B:That could fool people.
Speaker B:That could fool people.
Speaker B:Like, let me put it that way.
Speaker B:Like, and I'm not talking about fool people.
Speaker B:Like, look at the bears jumping on the trampoline.
Speaker B:Like, no, no, Grandma, that's AI.
Speaker B:Like, no, it's like, ooh.
Speaker B:I mean, maybe they made a parachute out of pizza.
Speaker B:If, like, you know, maybe you didn't think about it.
Speaker B:You know, maybe you're scrolling at night.
Speaker A:If I'm.
Speaker A:If I'm not as connected to the Internet or I get my bit.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:In bits and pieces, and we know that the news just grabs whatever the.
Speaker A:They want off the Internet.
Speaker A:So it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's gonna be tough.
Speaker A:It's gonna be tough.
Speaker A:So anyway, Rufus is dumb, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was stupid.
Speaker A:You have not it.
Speaker B:Amazon.
Speaker B:It's not it.
Speaker B:If we had a segment.
Speaker B:That's not it.
Speaker B:Anyway, yeah, no, that was good.
Speaker B:I. I enjoyed dumping on Rufus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Get a better AI name.
Speaker A:Shout out to y' all first dog, though.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, cool.
Speaker B:I. I hope Rufus is a lot alive and doing well.
Speaker A:That's why we need y' all to support this independent podcast.
Speaker A:Because we say, like, that we're never gonna get Amazon as a partner.
Speaker B:Yeah, that ship sailed.
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker A:We should have.
Speaker A:Don't bake.
Speaker A:Yeah, that ain't that.
Speaker A:That will happen in a while ago.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:Maybe we'll come.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:That can't.
Speaker B:When Lord of the Rings came out, I remember Doug had some stuff to say, too.
Speaker B:I mean, this isn't all going back to Blame Doug.
Speaker B:I've also said things I fully own.
Speaker B:I've said things I think.
Speaker A:I think one of the episode names was Ballheaded Bezos.
Speaker B:We have fun here.
Speaker B:We have fun here.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker A:Speaking of fun, we watched Elio.
Speaker B:Hey, what a good transition.
Speaker B:We did watch Elio, so I will take the part of Doug, I guess, for this.
Speaker B:Doug, we miss you.
Speaker B:We hope you're having fun on Vacation.
Speaker B:But yes, we decided to review Elio.
Speaker B:It just came to streaming on Disney plus and one of the reasons we're talking about this movie is because nobody talked about it when it came out.
Speaker B:So we're kind of figuring out what's going on with this movie.
Speaker B: ixar film released in June of: Speaker B:Elio, the description here.
Speaker B:Well, we'll do the.
Speaker B:We'll do the Barbershop.
Speaker B:I'll hold off there.
Speaker B:I'm gonna bring up the budget and box office here for Leo.
Speaker B:Doug makes this look really easy, but the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Marcus pulled up the trailer there for folks joining us on the stream.
Speaker B:On the stream, which is great.
Speaker B:So Elio had a production budget that was around 150 million.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:It's on the cheaper end of things for an animated movie.
Speaker B:But it grossed only about 154 million worldwide as of this recording.
Speaker B:So there's other reports saying that the budget was closer to 200 million and the box office topped out at 154 million.
Speaker B:Just for clarity there.
Speaker B:So this.
Speaker B:You know, people in the industry usually make movies to make like a bang and profit.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Well, this probably barely made budget based on those numbers.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And so we're gonna go over to IMDb here to give you the cast.
Speaker B:And here we go.
Speaker B:So Jonas Cabrib is the voice of Elio.
Speaker B:Zoe Saldana is Olga Solis, who I believe is the.
Speaker B:The aunt.
Speaker A:Oh, that's who that was.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker B:Pretty sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:I do not remember the character's name, but yeah, it is.
Speaker B:I was right.
Speaker B:I should trust myself.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Remy Edley as Glordon.
Speaker B:Brandon Moon as Ambassador Helix.
Speaker B:Brad Garrett as Lord Grigon, who I would say is probably like one of the higher tier actors here.
Speaker B:If you don't know who Brad Garrett is just from name recognition, you would definitely know who he is by looking at the show Everybody Loves Raymond.
Speaker B:He plays the older brother to Ray.
Speaker B:And then you got Jamela Jamil from the Good Place fame.
Speaker B:She's Ambassador Quest.
Speaker B:And that is like.
Speaker B:That's like the main.
Speaker B:That's where I'm gonna stop here because, like, there's a lot of other voice actors.
Speaker B:I see some comedians here.
Speaker B:Young Dylan is Bryce.
Speaker B:We got.
Speaker B:Let's see here.
Speaker B:Hang on a second.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Atsuko Akatsu, Ambassador Naos.
Speaker B:And that is who I'm seeing.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Kate Mulgrew plays the museum exhibit narrator who was Captain Janeway.
Speaker B:In Star Trek Voyager.
Speaker B:So that's a fun little cameo.
Speaker B:I didn't know that, but.
Speaker B:And I see in the chat, didn't know, no idea this movie even existed till now.
Speaker B:This is exactly why we're doing the episode.
Speaker B:So this is case in point.
Speaker A:And Doug had already seen this movie in the theater with Harrison and Harper, I believe he had told us about it.
Speaker B:He talked about it.
Speaker A:He thought.
Speaker A:He gave us like a mini review about this movie, and now it's.
Speaker A:It's on Disney plus.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I'm not saying that like it's freshly on Disney plus, but I think when I watched it about two weeks ago, it was.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I think it just hit Disney plus.
Speaker B:It's super recent.
Speaker A:So I guess.
Speaker A:Barbershop synopsis.
Speaker A:You want to take a swing?
Speaker A:You want me to take a swing?
Speaker B:I feel like I just talked a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm gonna hand it over.
Speaker A:I can take it.
Speaker A:I can take it.
Speaker A:I'll try.
Speaker B:Or pulling up some images.
Speaker A:Let me see what I can remember.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So what happened was Elio's parents, in a very Pixar, Disney way, they are not here.
Speaker A:Something happened and they are not here.
Speaker A:There's an accident, a very ambiguous accident, right?
Speaker A:So Elio, he loses his parents and his aunt who is in the Air Force.
Speaker A:Air Force, yes, in the Air Force, who has these aspirations that are.
Speaker A:That are kind of hinted on of being an astronaut.
Speaker A:She wants to explore.
Speaker A:Elio overhears a lot of conversation.
Speaker A:He's a kid who has lost his parents and is trying to discover friendship.
Speaker A:And so he feels like his, you know, he was never accepted.
Speaker A:He tries to discover friendship in the stars.
Speaker A:And so he looks to the stars.
Speaker A:He loves it.
Speaker A:He hears all these stories kind of like embracing that, you know, that being the thing that relates him and his.
Speaker A:His tia or his auntie, right.
Speaker A:Is their exploration of the stars, are.
Speaker A:Interest in the stars.
Speaker A:So he goes and he wants to reach out to aliens.
Speaker A:There comes a message.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They sent out the golden telescope into space with a message of all the things from Earth and all of that kind of culture and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Eventually, somewhere deep, deep, deep, deep, deep in the space, the aliens actually pick it up.
Speaker A:They start communicating back with us.
Speaker A:Elio, in the floor, in this blur of a moment, as he's like this very.
Speaker A:Not troublesome kid, but very discoverable kid.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think of another word for that, because he's like, he's just into everything.
Speaker A:He's trying to explore.
Speaker B:Explore this.
Speaker B:I mean, he's very eccentric.
Speaker B:I mean, like a lot of word.
Speaker B:Sometimes they just hyper focus on one thing.
Speaker A:Yes, that's a great word.
Speaker A:He's very eccentric.
Speaker A:That's actually one of my favorite words ever, Brian.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Funny story.
Speaker A:That's a random story, but spelling be champion.
Speaker A:And that was one of the words that I had like, like in middle school.
Speaker A:But that was one.
Speaker B:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:No, hang on.
Speaker B:We're putting.
Speaker B:You were spelling be champion.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it was like middle school, you know, when they used to do like in middle school.
Speaker A:So it wasn't like a big deal, but it was like in your class.
Speaker B:That should be your chiron.
Speaker A:I just love it.
Speaker A:Anyway, so he goes and.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:He discovers the stars, the bright guy, Mark Manpot.
Speaker A:Positive vibes, filled with.
Speaker A:Filled with nothing but complex compliments.
Speaker A:So he goes to the stars.
Speaker A:They deliver an alien message back.
Speaker A:Eliot is the first to say, like, hey, I want you to come pick me up.
Speaker A:Because he's been going out on the beach and actually trying to reach out to aliens.
Speaker A:He says, please come and pick me up.
Speaker A:I'm looking for friends.
Speaker A:The aliens discover him.
Speaker A:They abduct him.
Speaker A:His aunt starts looking for him.
Speaker A:They invite him into this very special council that is basically a representation of all the beings across the universe.
Speaker A:He befriends the son of a war God that got.
Speaker A:Didn't get accepted.
Speaker A:And they talk about this discovery of friendship, truth, and being who you are and being wanted in this entire story.
Speaker A:I wish that there was a shorter way for me to give that, but I felt like I genuinely couldn't tell you one part without relating to another part that was in the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I. I think here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker B:There, there's some stuff I'm gonna share about the production of this movie or that is the shortest synopsis you can give.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about why that is, like, in a little bit after we get through, like the main review section of our of.
Speaker B:Of the podcast.
Speaker A:Can I start?
Speaker B:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker A:I think my biggest compliment to this movie is I really wish whoever the.
Speaker A:I don't even know what you call it.
Speaker A:Yeah, production design.
Speaker A:The design of this world building the scenes and the shots.
Speaker A:And like, it's.
Speaker A:It's not the cinematography, but whoever did this, I would love for them to do a live action sci fi, Star Trek movie or a horror film, because there's a scene in here that also said that this person would do a really good horror film.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I don't know who that is on the production team, but whoever did it, the world building, everything that it is, the shots, how beautiful it looks.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I think that's where I have to start about what impressed me the most while watching this movie.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:I mean, let's just hang on a second here.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's just.
Speaker B:I want to back this up visually for those on the stream.
Speaker B:And there's a great reason for you to join the stream because we have beautiful screenshots here.
Speaker B:I mean, just, just the centering of how we're looking at, like, Elio on the beach, even how we're centering shots, like when he's staring up at space.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:How they're lit.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It's majestic.
Speaker B:Like, the way this movie is put together is.
Speaker B:It is art.
Speaker B:And I think, to back you up on that, Marcus.
Speaker B:And I'm going to try to find a picture of this there.
Speaker B:The sequence at the very beginning of the film when they're like.
Speaker B:It's like not Smithsonian, like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's just a different.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Air and Space Museum.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it here in time, but essentially Elio gets lost and he starts, like, he just, he starts wandering around and I'm gonna, I'm gonna ditch trying to find the visual of it at the moment, but he starts wandering around and he gets to this exhibit that is narrated by Kate Mulgrew, who's Janeway from Star Trek Voyager, talking about Voyager, the space probe sent out to space.
Speaker B:And if you don't know about Voyager, the probe, basically it was a satellite that was shot into space.
Speaker B:And its entire purpose is to take our culture from Earth, saying, like, we are peaceful.
Speaker B:Here's our culture, here's some music, here's what we're about.
Speaker B:And if any aliens find this, this, like, this is what we're about.
Speaker B:And we want to make contact.
Speaker B:And Voyager is never destined to come back to Earth.
Speaker B:It is meant to travel the cosmos as far and wide as possible.
Speaker B:Playing the message on repeat.
Speaker B:And you get that in this first sequence and, and the way that Pixar, Disney, Pixar is able to convey.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And that's the picture of Voyager, if you're joining us on the stream.
Speaker B:And the way that they're able to convey that.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you, Marcus.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Is incredible.
Speaker B:Of this feeling of you're so small, but you're in this vast universe and it is overwhelming and beautiful, like, all at the same time.
Speaker B:And you see this kid who.
Speaker B:All you know about him is, like, he lost his parents, and it's talking about, are we alone in the universe?
Speaker B:Is there more out there?
Speaker B:And it's like, that hit me like a.
Speaker B:A.
Speaker B:Like a one Ton.
Speaker B:Brick, Marcus.
Speaker B:Like, I. I was tearing up.
Speaker B:I was watching this with my boys and like, dad, like, what's wrong?
Speaker B:I'm like, this is beautiful.
Speaker B:Like, this is.
Speaker B:This is like storytelling.
Speaker B:This is beautiful.
Speaker B:And I was like, I don't know where the movie goes.
Speaker B:I don't know where the movie goes.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That, I think, was the most interesting part because you introduced a heavy topic like this.
Speaker A:This young man is an orphan, right?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:That is adopted by his tia, while they're also still telling the story of her adjusting her aspirations to take care of Elio, which is also another heavy topic that you have to talk about, right?
Speaker A:And this.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's a kid.
Speaker A:Like, it's not like he's this teenager.
Speaker A:It's not something you just got to.
Speaker A:He's not a.
Speaker A:He's not at a phase in his life where you can tell a kid.
Speaker A:No, just get over it.
Speaker A:Like, this is a.
Speaker A:This is a very pivotal moment for him.
Speaker A:And the sadness in, like, I'm reaching beyond the stars of Earth because on Earth, I don't really feel wanted.
Speaker A:It's such a wild.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a wild pick.
Speaker A:Pixar, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Wild as.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:Okay, I see.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We're gonna get back to this movie.
Speaker B:Doug, in the chat, I don't know what time zone you're in, man, but what is the episode called?
Speaker B:The Double Secret Chat Pod.
Speaker B:It is now.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're.
Speaker B:We're having a great time here.
Speaker B:We miss you, man.
Speaker B:Enjoy vacation.
Speaker B:We got this.
Speaker A:We also said that five times before you got here, so that talking is on you.
Speaker B:Yeah, 100.
Speaker B:But, yeah, like, it.
Speaker B:Like, I was like, man, if that's.
Speaker B:Like, if this is the thesis of the movie, how are you gonna thread this needle of, like, a kids movie of, like, hey, have you ever thought about how alone we are in the universe and how you're a tiny speck and a giant environment that does or does not maybe have a whole other living entity in it?
Speaker B:That's lonely, isn't it?
Speaker B:I was like, how are you gonna land this plane to a kid?
Speaker A:Because who was this movie for?
Speaker A:Once again, like, I was getting choked up watching this.
Speaker A:But then I had to ask myself, is the story for the adult or is it for the kid?
Speaker A:Like, or both?
Speaker A:Like, are we at a point where we gotta ask, is it both?
Speaker B:I feel like this is going to be something we talk about through the whole review because you cannot ignore that Disney Pixar has done this dual track thing, right.
Speaker B:Of like, this is a children's movie, but it will resonate with you emotionally and it means something.
Speaker B:It's not like, hey, parents, we know you're here.
Speaker B:Here's a dick joke.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's like, hey, a perfect example.
Speaker B:Inside out too.
Speaker B:And they're like, hey, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, we all know, like, what it feels to be panic and have a.
Speaker B:Like and, and feel that panicky feeling in us and how terrible that feels.
Speaker B:And the only way to get over it is like, talking about it.
Speaker B:How they conveyed that in a movie still blows my mind, but they did it.
Speaker B:And that's the type of stuff that I'm talking about.
Speaker B:How they're trying to transfer that to like just feeling lonely and lonely in the universe to children.
Speaker B:That's a really complex idea.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:To your point, Marcus, I'm rambling a little bit.
Speaker B:To your point though, Marcus, is like this.
Speaker B:I do feel like we're going to be touching on this theme that like, this film feels more geared towards like, older teenagers and young adults, not necessarily like children under 8.
Speaker A:And I think that that's.
Speaker A:That is what's interesting of it.
Speaker A:So in order to tell that story, you have to then throw.
Speaker A:You have to, you have to throw a Hail Mary, essentially.
Speaker A:Like, you have to go to literally the depths of the universe to tell a story about why it's so important that you are here.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:It feels like a Tom Brady fourth quarter Super bowl type Hail Mary.
Speaker B:The 28.
Speaker B:3.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Big Atlanta Falcons game.
Speaker A:Like, come back.
Speaker A:Because the entire time I'm like, this is.
Speaker A:It's kind of.
Speaker A:It really kind of reminded me of everywhere.
Speaker A:Everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker B:Oh, I like that.
Speaker B:I like that comparison because that movie.
Speaker A:Also did the same thing to me.
Speaker A:And I love when I. I love when I take.
Speaker A:I love when I take advantage of the herbal earth around me and get to watch movies like, like this, like sci fi movies.
Speaker A:Because the best part about a sci fi movie is not the Pune and the lasers and the look and the feel.
Speaker A:For me.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's the undertelling story about, like, love that.
Speaker A:Like Tron.
Speaker A:Like, I really do love Tron because that's just like Tron legacy, I guess, specifically because, like, that's a story about love.
Speaker A:A son looking for his father A father looking for his son.
Speaker A:That's the greatest part about the sci fi.
Speaker A:Star wars is a story about a lot of things, but, like, love is a.
Speaker A:Is a.
Speaker A:Is a.
Speaker A:Is an underlying thing.
Speaker B:Luke Skywalker's power move in Return of the Jedi of like, all right, kill your dad with your green lightsaber.
Speaker B:He's like, nah, I'm gonna throw this thing away.
Speaker A:Just got rid of the whole thing for love.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:That's the best part.
Speaker A:And I think Elio captured, I think who.
Speaker A:The writers, the team.
Speaker A:They did that in such a phenomenal way that I feel like this movie should be bigger than what it is.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:And spoilers for Elio.
Speaker B:I don't really feel like we need to say it because, like, it.
Speaker B:It took.
Speaker B:It took up zero space in the cultural zeitgeist.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Like, in the cultural bandwidth.
Speaker B:It took zero.
Speaker B:Nothing like.
Speaker B:And how to train your dragon had come out recently.
Speaker B:And I don't know if that was what.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but I mean, like, you get.
Speaker B:So I think the thing that I was curious about was we get to this movie's pacing.
Speaker B:I think I'm going to keep talking about positive things with this movie.
Speaker B:I am going to enter into some of the critique a little bit.
Speaker B:But the movie's pacing gets really different and really weird.
Speaker B:And I'm a big advocate for doing weird and different stuff.
Speaker B:But the other part of that is, like, the feedback here is like, it.
Speaker B:It does it.
Speaker B:It makes the movie a little rough around the edges because you can tell something's going on behind the scenes with the making of this movie because Elio, through a series of events, gets.
Speaker B:Gets connected with the.
Speaker B:The communiverse, which is basically the.
Speaker B:The UN of the galaxy.
Speaker B:Essentially, it's peaceful.
Speaker B:All of these other aliens are there.
Speaker B:He can talk to them.
Speaker B:And there's a misunderstanding where they think he's the leader of Earth, which adds to the comedy.
Speaker B:I enjoyed it.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My boys.
Speaker B:It totally went over their head.
Speaker B:Totally went over their head.
Speaker B:Thank you for pulling that up, Marcus.
Speaker B:And you get these beautiful shots, these colorful shots, these vibrant landscapes.
Speaker A:The fucking.
Speaker A:Keep going.
Speaker A:The design of the planet itself.
Speaker B:Oh, it's.
Speaker B:It's like out of your favorite sci fi novel, is like.
Speaker B:Maybe the best way to say it.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, it's something that I certainly did not dream up.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's like a.
Speaker B:It's like a planet, but it's.
Speaker B:You can see that it's hollow inside.
Speaker B:It's also.
Speaker B:It also reminds me of a jellyfish.
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, like, for people who.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:With like, wrapped in an angel.
Speaker B:And for people only listening to this, they're gonna be like, is Brian on any substances right now?
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:And I'm stone.
Speaker B:I'm on.
Speaker B:I'm stone sober.
Speaker B:I had a little ibuprofen earlier today, but I'm okay.
Speaker B:And Sprite.
Speaker B:Sprite.
Speaker B:Zero.
Speaker B:Sprite.
Speaker B:You can sponsor us.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, it's beautiful.
Speaker B:It's gorgeous.
Speaker B:I've.
Speaker B:I've never really seen anything like this before.
Speaker A:Fly boy.
Speaker A:Oh, my.
Speaker B:I mean, and you.
Speaker B:You look at the environments that they've cooked up.
Speaker B:I mean, like, from an animation perspective, it.
Speaker B:Is it like just the amount of textures that are going on here, like you're adding in different planets, different foliage, different trees, different types of liquid all interacting with each other.
Speaker B:And I mean, I think there's one.
Speaker B:The one scene that really stood out to me was when they got to the communiverse and they're like drinking beverages or whatever and the bever.
Speaker B:And then they go to this place with waterfalls and they still have the beverages.
Speaker B:They're moving with the physics of the water.
Speaker B:And then that's when the bathroom joke happens.
Speaker B:And Elliot's like, this is.
Speaker B:This is the most beautiful place ever.
Speaker B:They're like, this is the bathroom.
Speaker B:Which I think everybody saw in the trailer.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So it's just such a beautiful movie.
Speaker B:And I feel like I have to say that every time I critique it because the.
Speaker B:The sheer raw power that went into animating this movie, you would want it to match the story.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:It falls a little short there because Elio, you go through the whole, like, it's, you know, parent trap thing of like, oh, you're not who you say you are, but we, the audience know.
Speaker B:And that's part of the tension and the comedy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And basically they're like, there's this warlord, right, who's trying to take over or wants to join the communiverse, and they're scared of him.
Speaker B:And they're like, okay, well, we're just gonna pack up and leave.
Speaker B:And so the main.
Speaker B:The main rising action here, that.
Speaker B:That is going to lead us to the climax, you think, is that Elio is gonna save them from this warlord who is going to attack them.
Speaker B:And you're like, okay, that's.
Speaker B:That's the movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you get on the warlordship and there's like an entire sequence of him kind of negotiating, which I enjoyed.
Speaker B:And it was funny.
Speaker A:It was Funny.
Speaker B:Then I kind of knew something was up with this movie.
Speaker B:When Elio meets.
Speaker B:Who ends up being his best friend.
Speaker B:And you're like, I'm halfway through the movie and we're just meeting, like, the companion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What is happening?
Speaker B:Like, how, like, did that.
Speaker B:What was.
Speaker B:What were your thoughts when you got to that part of the movie?
Speaker A:Marcus first to go back to the negotiating phase.
Speaker A:I think that I felt like that scene to me, it threw me off.
Speaker A:Even though it was trying to set me up with the conversation of like a kid talking to a parent and a parent trying to describe what it's like to be a parent to a kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was.
Speaker A:That's when I first had the acts of, like, why are we having this conversation?
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, what is this going to lead to?
Speaker A:And then I.
Speaker A:Then I saw it, like, oh, he's going to insult his parenting because Elio is a kid.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I started kind of.
Speaker A:But even then it felt like a Timon and Pumbaa situation of like, yes, this person's going to run into this character for just a little bit to get him out of this jam.
Speaker A:And then they're going to figure out another way to save the planet.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Instead that it started a whole sea story of like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because meanwhile, the aunt is still looking for Elio.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:They shove in the B story of the.
Speaker B:Of.
Speaker B:Of the aunt dealing with the clone.
Speaker B:Don't worry about it.
Speaker B:Of dealing with the clone of Elio.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:That's such a great point.
Speaker B:And they still have to set up the climax because.
Speaker A:Because then you have to connect all of these stories, which, to their credit, they do it.
Speaker A:And I think that if this wasn't pitched as a kids movie, I did wonder did it.
Speaker A:Was it able to maintain a kid's, like, attention span?
Speaker A:Because it's a lot happening to tell these stories and then to bring these threads together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like, to your point, like, we're getting to this point halfway through the movie where it's like, hey, you're my best friend.
Speaker B:And it's like, man, like in most.
Speaker B:I feel like in a lot of Disney Pixar movies, you.
Speaker B:You have the formula.
Speaker B:And I'm not saying this is good or bad, but typically by the 10 minute mark, you usually have the dynamic of what the movie's gonna be.
Speaker B:Woody and Buzz, I feel like, is the best example.
Speaker B:The first example.
Speaker B:Inside out, like you understand joy and sadness are kind of at odds.
Speaker B:Even with the group.
Speaker B:Even with the group.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:You understand?
Speaker B:That's the core dynamic.
Speaker B:We don't get to this core dynamic until so late in the movie that it kind of makes you wonder, like, how did we get to this decision to introduce, like, Glordon so late of the son of the warlord?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's fascinating to me.
Speaker B:It's fascinating.
Speaker B:And so to your point about the aunt, I guess if we just want to jump.
Speaker B:If we just want to jump ahead.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's.
Speaker A:It's been out a while.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was wild to me that we then are going to have the entire, like, healing arc with the aunt.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Or the climax of the movie.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because I feel like in any other movie, the Elio and the aunt trying to come to an understanding of, like, hi, I'm the aunt.
Speaker B:I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker B:And Elio being like, I know you are, but it's still really hard.
Speaker B:I thought that that's like a climax itself, but that turns into, again, a C story, which is nuts to me.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It feels wild because I think I'm trying to figure out where you could cut something when it comes to these stories, but honestly, I see what they were trying to do.
Speaker A:I just think you have to introduce them earlier.
Speaker A:Like, the clone.
Speaker A:Him.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The scene with Elio on the beach with the two boys trying to get in contact.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:You know, need that scene to set up the emotional component of him getting in trouble.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But however, that also feels like kind of like a. Oops, we got you, like a little jukes move.
Speaker A:Juke move.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was like, oh, these two little boys are going to be the ones that go into space with him and go on this adventure.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:No, that's not right either.
Speaker A:Like, they want to beat him up at a.
Speaker A:At a.
Speaker A:At a.
Speaker A:At the.
Speaker A:At the camp over the.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:So it just.
Speaker A:It does a lot of things that just throws you off.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:And it made me wonder, like, how do you split screen time when you have a talent like Zoe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And giving her enough that she doesn't feel like she just was kind of given a robe for this.
Speaker A:The name.
Speaker A:You know, like the name on the.
Speaker A:On the.
Speaker A:On the poster.
Speaker B:I do feel like that was part of it.
Speaker B:I also.
Speaker B:This movie was also.
Speaker B:I don't know when she was cast in this movie, but I think it's important to note that, like, this was after she won her Oscar.
Speaker B:This movie comes out immediately after she.
Speaker B:I shouldn't say immediately, but like, it comes out pretty soon after she wins that Oscar.
Speaker B:And I don't.
Speaker B:I'm not critiquing that.
Speaker B:I just think it's something to notice.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, it probably was to try to get butts and seats.
Speaker B:Oh, Zoe Saldana, funny enough, she did not play a.
Speaker B:A different colored alien in this one.
Speaker B:She's only got blue and green so far.
Speaker A:So she didn't collect no infinity stones in this one.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:We're looking for orange, red, anything.
Speaker B:Anything like that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Baby purple.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:Who knows what's coming?
Speaker A:Who knows what happens at the end of Avatar?
Speaker A:Maybe the.
Speaker A:The whole story is them just changing colors.
Speaker B:Yeah, she just changes.
Speaker B:She changes navi skin.
Speaker B:I shouldn't give them ideas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, Zoe Saldana, Avatar.
Speaker A:The mood ring.
Speaker B:A human, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it.
Speaker B:So you get to this point where I have to give it credit though, you get this a really emotional sequence where they have to fly a spaceship.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:To back to the communiverse.
Speaker B:Don't worry about it.
Speaker B:For those that haven't seen it and they have to.
Speaker B:They have to fly the spaceship back.
Speaker B:And her whole job with the Air Force is to track all the garbage in orbit.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And so they try to like make a narrative symmetry thing here happen.
Speaker A:That was an interesting, interesting scene.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, they try to make this narrative symmetry happen where like, oh, she's gotta fly through the garbage now, and this is her job.
Speaker B:But then they kind of turn it into like a High School Musical moment of like, we're all in this together and like ham radio operators from around the world are like feeding her information of where the space garbage is because she can't do it fast enough.
Speaker B:She doesn't have the tech with her so that Elio can fly the spaceship.
Speaker B:And like, it is an emotional moment, but it also should theoretically be the end to another film.
Speaker B:Like that is the climax to a film.
Speaker B:And then you get through this asteroid.
Speaker B:Metal.
Speaker B:This metal asteroid field.
Speaker B:Then it's like, all right, anyway, we gotta finish up the warlord storyline.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker A:I'm right.
Speaker A:That was really good.
Speaker A:Cuz.
Speaker A:It did do that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:You're absolutely correct.
Speaker A:You're absolutely right.
Speaker A:That is supposed to be the end of the movie.
Speaker A:And it's like somebody had a mop or something and was like, oh, forgot I had to stay over here.
Speaker A:I got.
Speaker A:Got this thing to do.
Speaker A:That's so good, by the way.
Speaker B:The whole time too.
Speaker B:Marcus.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Gordon is like dying in the spaceship.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Of the temperature.
Speaker A:And he doesn't want to be in the suit.
Speaker A:And that's like another storyline that they introduced for, like, I'm like, oof.
Speaker A:Like, this is right.
Speaker A:Because the father.
Speaker A:And the only reason I introduced it as another storyline instead of just another thing that's mentioned is because the dad, they take significant time to explain, this is me in this badass suit and I'm gonna get this suit.
Speaker A:And this is the culture of this thing.
Speaker A:And the father already had a conversation with Elio about I want him to be this warlord and see what he wants me to be, but I know that that's not.
Speaker A:So they spent significant time on this part of the storyline and understanding the relationship between Glordon and Elio that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You also have Elio and his aunt trying to connect.
Speaker A:Elio trying to connect with others in the.
Speaker A:In the world and find his place.
Speaker A:The community verse is under attack.
Speaker A:Like, there's a lot happening in the movie.
Speaker B:Well, and like, you can see from an.
Speaker B:From.
Speaker B:From a bird's eye narrative view what they.
Speaker B:They want to do.
Speaker B:Like, Elio and his aunt and Glordon and his dad.
Speaker B:And that's supposed to be like, oh, like, you're just like us.
Speaker A:Which didn't tell that story.
Speaker B:Like, that wasn't efficient.
Speaker B:Like, it wasn't efficient in its storytelling.
Speaker B:And I'm really surprised, looking at it from, like, a full.
Speaker B:Now that I've had, like, a day to digest it.
Speaker B:I'm very surprised that they kept the space debris sequence in there because there's a tighter movie where, like, they do escape and they get to that emotional beat of like, hey, I. I love you the way you are, even if I don't understand you.
Speaker B:Which is like, the thesis of the movie.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's Brian.
Speaker A:That is it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:And there's just so much stuff sometimes in their own way of telling that story.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's where some of the Pixar charm kind of fell off for me.
Speaker B:And what.
Speaker B:But what kills me, though, is like, I think you're right, Marcus.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:Narratively, they got to a point it's like, what can you cut?
Speaker B:And there's not a lot with the way they wanted to tell this story because for me, I'm like, okay, what are my darlings?
Speaker B:It's the communiverse, right?
Speaker B:It's all of the bubble gummy popcorn, cotton candy visuals of the community verse.
Speaker B:So it's like, okay, we'll cut that.
Speaker B:But if you cut that, you Don't.
Speaker B:There's no urgency to the warlord, really.
Speaker A:Well, you need, you also need the.
Speaker A:Which is another complicated storytelling for me, I think for like a children's movie quote unquote.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The, the communiverse to me was, was the opposite of Earth.
Speaker A:It was Elio's perfect option of what Earth should be.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And so when you need that de facto moment where Elio is going to decide to go back to Earth even though he has this perfect gem of a world.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Like that is what the, the communiverse does a lot more heavy lifting.
Speaker A:So it almost has to stay because that's when Elio makes the decision and, and says the infamous sentence that I knew he would say is like, I'd rather be on Earth with you than be on the Communiverse.
Speaker A:A perfect planet that is perfect in every way and wants me to be there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You, you can't really do without that.
Speaker A:Like that's, and that's tough storytelling to box yourself into a corner with.
Speaker B:I mean that's such a great point because like that is such a huge part of the movie we haven't even touched on yet.
Speaker B:I just realized of like Elio feeling so lonely.
Speaker B:He's literally calling out to these aliens like take me away.
Speaker B:Like I'm good.
Speaker B:I feel so lonely.
Speaker B:I want to be with people.
Speaker B:I connect with that.
Speaker B:That part, like talking about this movie, that part gets buried when that is arguably also a thesis of this movie move.
Speaker B:I mean that's the main emotional journey.
Speaker A:It's a 1A 1B to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They are equally as important as I'm reflecting on the film and, and, and really listening to what you said and that it is, it is A1A1B.
Speaker B:I totally agree.
Speaker B:Like one can't exist over another because they also inform each other.
Speaker B:It's honestly I, I appreciate Pixar taking such a big swing narratively.
Speaker B:It's just, it's so, it's so much for a kids movie.
Speaker A:You could have like, I feel like maybe you could have put this in a mid project MCU movie.
Speaker A:Like that type of writing that you're doing just feel it feels a little bit more complicated.
Speaker A:Like it's no longer a children's book.
Speaker A:It you take it up to like a young adult type level.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because of the stakes that are at play in so many now.
Speaker A:It's cuter when a kid is story.
Speaker A:I, I, I asked Brian in the chat and Doug, like, does this story work?
Speaker A:If Elio was a teenager, like could you Tell this angsty teen story about Elio still losing his parents.
Speaker A:All of that is still the base of that.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or is it cuter just to have a little kid exploring space?
Speaker A:And it's more of an emotional pool, like, which one do you need?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because it gets complicated.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:And I think that's a great point because I do feel like this story and the way it is told could work really well if it was targeted again at.
Speaker B:At older teenagers and young adults.
Speaker B:Because there is kind of some stuff here that I don't know if children.
Speaker B:I don't know if there's enough chocolate on this broccoli is what I'm trying to put out there.
Speaker B:Like, it's a really heavy concept.
Speaker B:And not only is it about loneliness, you're also baking in will my parental figures or guardians accept me?
Speaker B:And what that means and what do I want on top of that?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Those are three main ideas that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That, to me, is a hard sell for a kid.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I think there's another one.
Speaker A:And, like, the other one is like sacrificing.
Speaker A:It's like sacrificing your wants.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:For.
Speaker A:For somebody that you love.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, like Glordon's dad does that.
Speaker A:The aunt does that for Elio.
Speaker A:Elio ends up doing that for his aunt and for glory.
Speaker A:So it's like that.
Speaker A:That is a whole nother sophisticated layer that I think.
Speaker A:So who.
Speaker A:That's why I said, whoever wrote Design put this together.
Speaker A:You should just put this with an MCU movie, like a Spider man fucking movie.
Speaker A:And this would work.
Speaker A:Like, it's good writing and substance that we've been asking for.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The way that this substance.
Speaker A:I thought of Wanda together, this could.
Speaker B:Easily have been like a magic arcana movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like in that.
Speaker B:And not to make everything about the mcu, but, like, this would have been also slotted in really well with Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:Like it.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:And the reason I'm bringing up those examples is because that's the demographic I'm thinking.
Speaker B:Thinking of.
Speaker B:Of these older teenagers, younger adults who are ready to explore those themes in a safe environment.
Speaker A:And that'd be a good one.
Speaker B:Oh, Thor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All the familial stuff is there.
Speaker B:I didn't even think about that.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:I think now is a good time for us to talk a little bit about the production behind this movie.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I think we've kind.
Speaker B:I. I think that we've kind of hit the end of the review part.
Speaker B:But so here's some stuff that I want to inject here.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So this movie started off as something very different.
Speaker A:What did it start off as?
Speaker A:I'm so into.
Speaker A:I don't know any of this knowledge.
Speaker B:According to various reports, the film was supposed to be more of an autobiographical story.
Speaker B:And so think of, like, Coco, essentially, and Adrian Molina was the co director and that name will be.
Speaker B:We'll need to remember that name in particular.
Speaker B:The film was supposed to be representing Molina's lonely childhood and how he overcame that loneliness when he went to animation college at CalArts.
Speaker B:So right off the bat, like, okay, that's a very different premise.
Speaker B:Movies change, but okay.
Speaker B: ler that was released in June: Speaker B:But after the Pixar chief creative officer decided to pivot away from personal stories, just like, as an entire, like, company direction and they wanted to do more universal appeal films, that changed Elio entirely.
Speaker B: rtant to note that like, like: Speaker B:After Iger came back.
Speaker B:This was, hey, we need to make money.
Speaker B:Because, like, I got.
Speaker A:Yeah, I got chapped.
Speaker B:I got chapped.
Speaker A:Oh, that's.
Speaker B:Listen to any.
Speaker B:Listen to that podcast.
Speaker B:We've done that a bazillion times.
Speaker B:But, like, basically this was in like, the.
Speaker B:The hurry up offense of like, we need to make money fast, make movies that have universal appeal.
Speaker B:So basically this was like half in the bag and they had to change it halfway through.
Speaker B: , which is coming in: Speaker B:And so Domi, she and was the director and burrow.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, no, no.
Speaker B:Domishi and Madeline Sheriffian were the co directors for this new Elio movie.
Speaker B:Molina still has a director credit on the film because there was a lot of work put in beforehand and the character designs, but all the story was completely reworked essentially.
Speaker B:And that I think.
Speaker B:I think that informs a lot of what's happening.
Speaker A:Disney, Marvel, y', all with this goddamn.
Speaker A:What the fuck is that thing called, like, the.
Speaker A:The bakery?
Speaker A:It's the little.
Speaker A:What's the playset.
Speaker A:The little bacon playset?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, golly.
Speaker A:It's the thing that was super popular back in the fucking 90s.
Speaker B:Little bake.
Speaker B:Little bake oven.
Speaker A:A little bake oven, yeah.
Speaker A:Marvel and Disney, y' all love.
Speaker A:Y' all love doing this little easy bake oven shit where, like, it don't come out all the way because the little oven light ain't hot enough.
Speaker A:And so it's raw in the middle and like you poke it and the shit just deflect.
Speaker A:Like, I don't understand why we keep hearing stories and what's attached to them is like this halfway done, halfway not type of storyline.
Speaker A:And it's like X Men.
Speaker A:It sounded like the X Men animation had the same thing.
Speaker A:Elio had the same thing.
Speaker A:And that comes with the changing of a guard, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like if some if and if the guard Chappix you and you entire like industry up, right?
Speaker A:Or, or like a, like a business format up by.
Speaker A:You spend a lot of money on bullshit that didn't matter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You taint, you taint people's reliability and trust in you.
Speaker A:And you take like the money spending that is invested into the stories that actually mean something.
Speaker A:So like chapping got ripple effects in this.
Speaker A:Like it's clear as day, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And again, we are.
Speaker B:This is, this is our analysis.
Speaker B:This hasn't been confirmed, but it's.
Speaker B:It's pretty clear that there was a shift and Disney's like that, forget it.
Speaker B:Just make money.
Speaker B:Yeah, like just, just make the most universal appealing film you can.
Speaker A:That's so sick, man.
Speaker A:That's so sick.
Speaker A:Because of the model that Disney stands on.
Speaker A:If it was McDonald's, I'd say something different because their motto is like fast food.
Speaker A:But Disney, you're supposed to stand in business and stories that matter and things that relate to the people and the diversity and all.
Speaker A:But you make money.
Speaker A:Green decisions that up true storytelling.
Speaker A:That's up it.
Speaker B:Well, and I'm gonna pull up.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker A:I don't just blame Disney either because it takes multiple people.
Speaker B:People that like, that's business, I think.
Speaker B:But I feel like this is.
Speaker B:Hang on, I'm gonna stop sharing screen here.
Speaker B:I. I think this is a really good point to say, like, you should make art that connects with you.
Speaker B:And like when we get to big corporations that release movies like this, obviously they want to make money.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But to me, the cheat code here is like, you have to make something you believe in.
Speaker B:And if you make something that you're trying to make universally appreciated, like, yeah, you can try to do that, but you're not.
Speaker B:This is gonna happen where nothing really connects seamlessly in a harmony.
Speaker B:It's just these separate parts that make a whole.
Speaker B:And it's like, yeah, it's a movie and it did make me feel things.
Speaker B:But very clearly there all of the parts don't make a good movie.
Speaker B:And that's a bummer because, like, I would really like to see the original version of this movie, but they shied away from it because they thought, I want to make enough money.
Speaker B:And who, like, if you go with genuine, authentic stories, people are going to connect with that because that's what people want to vibe with that.
Speaker B: aser trailer they released in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you can kind of tell there's still some of the similar space elements.
Speaker B:I'm gonna keep the sound off here for a minute.
Speaker B:Like, you can.
Speaker B:You can see some of the similar elements here.
Speaker B:Like the bring us your leader bit.
Speaker A:That was cool.
Speaker B:Oh, no, that visual was great.
Speaker B:But you're seeing it, like, here on the phone, and he's kind of got, like.
Speaker B:I think he's got, like, a blanket over him, too.
Speaker B:Like, kind of this idea of, like, he's having an imagination.
Speaker B:Like, all of this is.
Speaker B:Is in his head maybe, and you can.
Speaker B:You can see these fantastical elements.
Speaker A:He also wasn't excited.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, it is.
Speaker B:It's very much like, you still have the communisphere here.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This movie was very much kind of more tilted to, like, his imagination from this start of how they're, like.
Speaker B:Of how they're.
Speaker B:They're trying to.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:To, like, contextualize it here.
Speaker B:And I think it's nuts to me that this movie was so far into production that they had most of these elements here.
Speaker A:Oh, look, he's a part of the council.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The warlord's a part of the Council, so.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:They changed everything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, there is a lot.
Speaker B:There's a lot I think they tried to salvage here with the existing elements, and I don't.
Speaker B:I don't blame them.
Speaker B:Like, it looks good.
Speaker B:It looks really good.
Speaker B:I should have put on closed captionings here, but.
Speaker B:Oh, well, it's fine.
Speaker A:I'm getting the gist of it.
Speaker B:But I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's definitely meant to, like, be this imaginative ambassador.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Grigon is seen as, like, a companion to Elio, which is.
Speaker B:I want to see that movie.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:I would have liked that, actually.
Speaker A:That was cool as hell.
Speaker B: upposed to come out in spring: Speaker B:Obviously, things can change.
Speaker B:And we didn't know the original version of this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, they clearly tried to make.
Speaker B:To your Point Marcus.
Speaker B:They tried to make.
Speaker B:They tried to easy bake oven this, and instead they made something that just kind of was bland at the end of the day.
Speaker A:And you try to do everything.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker A:You don't land on nothing.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, that's a.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:You gotta have that something that ties the people in.
Speaker A:And even if you are trying to tell four different stories, hoping that you hit four different audiences.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And somebody relates to something.
Speaker B:Four quadrants, baby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You guys.
Speaker B:You see.
Speaker A:You guys.
Speaker A:Be careful with that, man.
Speaker A:Like that every.
Speaker A:All opinions aren't good opinions.
Speaker A:And you're never gonna hit anybody universally.
Speaker A:Somebody is not gonna catch it.
Speaker A:And I think you hit more people when you do try to tell a personable story, because some will get it right and then some will get it on the next one, and that'll be their favorite.
Speaker A:That's how you build favorites and trust in movies, I think.
Speaker B:And I also want to give a shout out to Mason.
Speaker B:He talks about Nova here, and if he does come to the mcu, you could definitely tell that story.
Speaker B:Story with a young Sam Alexander.
Speaker B:I totally agree.
Speaker B:This would be like.
Speaker B:If they put an MCU flavor to this, it.
Speaker B:I think it.
Speaker B:I think it totally would have worked.
Speaker A:The look and the dramatics.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Like, that would be fantastic.
Speaker B:It's all there.
Speaker B:They can streamline it.
Speaker B:And so the last.
Speaker B:The last piece I'll add to this is the Hollywood Reporter did a piece here written by Ryan Gajewski.
Speaker B:I don't know if I pronounced that right, but you can find this on Holly on hollywoodreporter.com if you search Elio, the title is Inside Elio's Catastrophic Path.
Speaker B:America Ferreira's Exit, Director Change and Erasure of Queer Themes.
Speaker B:And just on that headline alone, you can probably tell that this was pretty rough process.
Speaker B:And the parts that I'll just.
Speaker B:I'll touch on here is that originally there were.
Speaker B:Originally there were queer themes within Eliot.
Speaker B:To me, I. I can kind of see it through a lot of what's in the movie.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:A hundred percent.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker B:I definitely think that was possibly a relationship.
Speaker B:Even just how Elio's acting.
Speaker B:You can kind of tell, like, some stuff was taken out, I think is the best way to put it.
Speaker A:Yeah, some stuff was taken out.
Speaker A:I could see that now with the glory.
Speaker B:A little bit of like Ghostbusters Frozen Empire situation happening.
Speaker A:Of like you stuffed him in a ship.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Like, you two are clearly together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, sex with that ghost.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Go listen to our Frozen Empire review.
Speaker B:That was, that was a fun.
Speaker B:That was a fun review.
Speaker B:Even though that movie was a little weird.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And essentially they test screened Elio and I guess people did not like it.
Speaker B:They did not like the first version of this movie.
Speaker B:And basically they have it on record that one former Pixar artist who worked on the film said it was, quote, it was pretty clear through the production of the first version of the film that studio leaders were constantly sanding down these moments in the film that alluded to Elio's sexuality of being queer.
Speaker B:End quote.
Speaker B:So, like, right off the rip.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's facing an uphill.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Okay, got it.
Speaker B:So that's just in the background.
Speaker A:So either something was missing from the story or.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:Either.
Speaker A:Either we don't see the full connection of the story.
Speaker A:So that's why it feels so choppy and like, all over the place.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:Yeah, they had to rewrite everything and make something to fill in those gaps, which either way is.
Speaker B:So they also have another quote here saying, quote, suddenly you remove this big key piece, which is all about identity, and Elio just becomes about totally nothing.
Speaker B:End quote, says the former Pixar artist.
Speaker B:And they're totally right.
Speaker B:They absolutely nail it.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker B:I mean, that's, that's, it's a lot.
Speaker A:Of sense to me.
Speaker B:Like, they, that is exactly what Disney did to this movie.
Speaker B:And there are, There are so many good storytelling points that are just blunted by just being like, meh, like, here, here's a sequence.
Speaker B:It doesn't really connect to anything, but, like, here's sequence.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, and if you don't, if you're not as involved as we are, because we are movie review podcasts or we're fans and just in general outside of the podcast, those additional facts may not mean anything to, like, the regular casual viewer where they made a. I still think that there's an enjoyable movie here.
Speaker A:Even if you don't know that information, it's sad that that is removed out of it.
Speaker A:But, like, if you're, if you're not like us, where you give a fuck about the context of some things and it makes it better, worse than, like, you went into a movie and was like, oh, okay, you either liked it or you didn't.
Speaker A:And I just think that, man, too many hands in the pot.
Speaker A:Or when you take away the main core of a story, this had a lot of potential to make a lot of money, and it did it.
Speaker B:I mean, I think what kills me is that there is a director's cut, probably of this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Somewhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That will never see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I would have loved to seen.
Speaker A:I would have loved to see.
Speaker B:Oh, that.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B: It's: Speaker B:And to match a theme.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:I mean, just even talking about it kind of gives me chills.
Speaker B:The idea of Elio being.
Speaker B:Having this identity as a queer person trying to find his way in the universe with these visuals and theming and relating it to this story as a whole.
Speaker B:I want to see that.
Speaker A:Did his parents even have to pass away in the original version?
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Or is that the replacement for why you feel so alone?
Speaker A:I mean, it's complicated.
Speaker A:Like, that feels complicated to me, man.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:It feels complicated to me, too.
Speaker B:And, like, we watch a lot of movies, so we are very familiar with the trope of dead parents that'll show up on our bracket at some point.
Speaker B:It's laughable at this point, but, like, yeah, it's such one of these trophy ways of communicating childhood trauma in a short amount of time to a viewer so they can move on with the main story.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:I love Batman.
Speaker B:Like, I love Batman.
Speaker A:We love Peter Parker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Peter Parker.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:I mean, Superman.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:All of them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:Even Thor, who starts out with a full complement of parents.
Speaker B:That was funny.
Speaker B:That was funny.
Speaker B:Thank you for.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was good.
Speaker B:Like, is it necessary?
Speaker B:Like, you could probably tell the story without it, but, like, they're so worried about making it mass appeal, like, necessary.
Speaker B:Who knows if that was in the original version and if it was even needed.
Speaker A:And now you don't make any money.
Speaker A:Now you don't make the money you thought that you would.
Speaker B:I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker B:If, like, I don't have business brain, but like you, you said to use the language.
Speaker B:The Pixar staffer said you sanded this down to nothing that you can't grab onto.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You barely make budget back for spending two years animating something with beautiful elements that almost like that brought me to tears at points.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And now it's nothing.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's sad.
Speaker B:And they should have trusted the original vision, which is unfortunate.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, that.
Speaker B:That was what I wanted to bring to this discussion of Elio.
Speaker B:There's a lot more in this article from Hollywood Reporter if you want to check it out.
Speaker B:So I'll leave it there for the moment.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But, But Yeah, like Elio.
Speaker B:Elliot.
Speaker B:Elio as a movie is fine.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:There's a director cut somewhere that is, like, angelic level good.
Speaker B:I 100 believe it.
Speaker A:So this is so interesting now that I know that.
Speaker A:That, that plot, Brian, because this picture feels like it hits differently.
Speaker A:And you know who's not there in the original?
Speaker A:This character right here.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Because you didn't need the.
Speaker A:I know what this is.
Speaker B:AI bubble thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I got it.
Speaker B:No, the.
Speaker B:The space worm and Elio were totally a thing.
Speaker B:I. I 100 believe that.
Speaker A:And you had to make it.
Speaker A:You had to.
Speaker A:You have to make him a. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, they made Dry Gone the bad guy because he.
Speaker B:You look like a scary.
Speaker B:I got it.
Speaker B:Warhammer 40k dude.
Speaker B:You know, like.
Speaker B:And call it a day.
Speaker A:Shout out, dude.
Speaker B:Shout out to Doug and Warhammer.
Speaker B:Excited to hear your Warhammer stories or lore when you get back, man, but anything else you want to say before we.
Speaker B:We wrap our discussion and start closing out?
Speaker A:Marcus, I think it's still a good movie.
Speaker A:I think you should still try to, you know, watch it, give it a shot.
Speaker A:If you love sci fi, you love these kind of emotional, compelling stories.
Speaker A:I think it's a good streamer, for sure.
Speaker A:I'm mad it didn't get the love it got in the movie, but I think it's a good opportunity for a good streamer, a good family, like a movie night.
Speaker B:This is a solid family movie night film.
Speaker B:I would say you do have to kind of talk to your.
Speaker B:You kind of do have to talk your kids through some of this stuff.
Speaker B:It's not terrible.
Speaker B:I will say.
Speaker B:I, I.
Speaker B:There were parts of this movie where I was like, oh, this would be a lot better in a theater.
Speaker B:Like, the first 15 minutes, I was like, ooh, I'm definitely supposed to see this in a theater.
Speaker B:And I. I don't get that feeling often nowadays.
Speaker B:Like, Elio, I had it with watching Dunkirk, which is an old Christopher Nolan pull.
Speaker B:Like any of the Top Gun movies.
Speaker B:Dune.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Anyway, that's it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Here we are.
Speaker A:This was a fun pot, Marcus.
Speaker B:This was phenomenal.
Speaker A:This was a fun pod, man.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:Play some music on the way out.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:This is a great pot, man.
Speaker B:Solid.
Speaker A:Anything you want to announce or talk about or promote at the end of this?
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I would like to promote thelove nerds.com so you can head over to thelovenerds.com.
Speaker B:my wife runs that site.
Speaker B:You might know her.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I was looking for the banner.
Speaker B:I appreciate you.
Speaker A:I was trying to find it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I got you.
Speaker B:No, Doug, we miss you.
Speaker B:But thelove nerds.com my wife puts all of her crafts up there right now.
Speaker B:I will share a picture with on our socials at some point.
Speaker B:But Maggie put.
Speaker B:Put these floating candles on our portico.
Speaker B:It looks beautiful.
Speaker B:She made a cauldron that.
Speaker B:And it looks like purple bubbles are coming out.
Speaker B:She's great.
Speaker B:I love her the best.
Speaker B:So she's also got an Etsy shop.
Speaker B:Go check out some of her wares over there at Etsy.comshop/the Love Nerds.
Speaker A:Shout out to the love nerds.
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Speaker A:And I also want to give just a super special shout out to my guy.
Speaker A:Mark went.
Speaker A:You know, you shared some things of a response that you got from somebody on Twitter that was like some nasty and hateful, disgusting comments.
Speaker A:But I want to let you know, Mark, like you are a standup dude that takes care of his family.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You show up for other people.
Speaker A:You show up for Kyle Nation all the time.
Speaker A:And so like as a non representative of the university, when I say this them and go you all day long.
Speaker A:I love you forever.
Speaker A:Forever.
Speaker A:I hope that you take care of yourself.
Speaker A:I hope that you remember that and hold that in your heart even in these moments because y' all didn't deserve that.
Speaker A:And you will always be the bigger man in my eyes.
Speaker A:So shout out to you, Mark.
Speaker A:Appreciate you, brother.
Speaker A:You know, anyway, shout out to Doug Wagner.
Speaker A:I hope you enjoy that vacation, my brother.
Speaker A:Is there anything else to promote?
Speaker A:Is that it?
Speaker B:No, I think.
Speaker B:I think that's it.
Speaker B:I think that's it.
Speaker A:Well, Roman, I, I really hate to do this to you.
Speaker B:I know you see your back.
Speaker B:I. I see you're back.
Speaker B:But we're.
Speaker B:We're wrapping up, man.
Speaker B:We're wrapping up.
Speaker B:But I'm glad.
Speaker B:I'm glad everybody's okay.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:We have three essential, essential steps here.
Speaker A:Marcus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Close out with step one is read a book.
Speaker A:I was trying to find it.
Speaker B:Oh, you're good.
Speaker B:I got them.
Speaker B:Read a book, folks.
Speaker B:Look, expand your mind.
Speaker B:Be the interesting person at the party.
Speaker B:These next three months, you're gonna have a lot of social engagements.
Speaker B:People are gonna ask you what you do for work.
Speaker B:Instead, be like, you know what?
Speaker B:I read a really cool book about something.
Speaker B:Literally anything.
Speaker B:Go read a book.
Speaker B:Do you want to do step number two?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Make sure you drink some water, man.
Speaker A:It got a little bit cool today.
Speaker A:It was a hot weekend.
Speaker A:Some of y' all doing a lot of drinking.
Speaker A:There's another three day, four day weekend coming up this weekend.
Speaker A:Make sure you drink a water in between, man.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Don't, don't, don't.
Speaker A:You got dry skin.
Speaker A:You ashy as hell.
Speaker A:There's no need for none of that.
Speaker A:Just go drink some water.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And step three, folks, you gotta wash your ass.
Speaker B:I really.
Speaker B:I need to just say it out loud.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:And, and by the way, people always joke, like, why do you say that?
Speaker B:We know the metrics of this podcast and we know we reach a certain demographic of men.
Speaker B:And sometimes I.
Speaker B:Men.
Speaker B:And maybe boys, maybe teenagers that are listening to this podcast.
Speaker B:They don't know this stuff.
Speaker B:No one told them.
Speaker B:And I'm intimately aware with this.
Speaker B:I have three young boys.
Speaker B:And so these are conversations I have all the time.
Speaker B:So just wash. Wash your stealth.
Speaker B:Wash your legs too.
Speaker B:Like just, just, just do that.
Speaker B:Everyone will appreciate it and so will you.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know what?
Speaker A:Hey, you get a lot more ass at them Comic Cons if you actually washed your ass.
Speaker B:Not prepared for that.
Speaker A:Put some deodorant on, Wash your ass, and I guarantee you'll live a better life.
Speaker A:Basic hygiene, the basic hygiene, the basics.
Speaker A:They never go anywhere.
Speaker A:They are foundational to us.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining us for another episode of Films of Black and White.
Speaker A:We love you.
Speaker A:We appreciate you.
Speaker A:We couldn't.
Speaker A:We wouldn't be here without you.
Speaker A:But until the next time.
Speaker A:In the meantime, in the meantime, in the between time, we'll see you later.
Speaker A:Take care of yourselves.
Speaker A:Stay safe.
Speaker A:Stay.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker B:Stay healthy.
Speaker A:Stay healthy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Catch you later.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Doug.
Speaker B:Shout out to Doug.
Speaker B:We miss you.
Speaker A:This was a great episode.
Speaker A:Episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All 15 minutes of what you caught.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah, so sorry about that.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:Whoopsy daisy.
Speaker A:Sorry, Roman, man, I ain't mean.
Speaker A:We ain't mean to do that to you.
