Topics include:

• Language warning
• Distractions
• The Grace Tame Saga
• Citipointe Christian College
• The new “Warringah rules”
• Essential Report
• Polls
• Forklifts and Caleb Bond
• Ron Williams
• Clive Palmer running for the Senate in Qld
• From Paul
• Aboriginal Flag
• Private School Cricketers
• Private School Naplan Results
• The UK and Australia have the same leadership problems
• Flight Attendants
• Property Prices
• Venezuela
• People Aren’t Dying
• No Jab – No Heart Transplant
• No Jab – No Surfing
• Ukraine
• Common Ground
• Cavan Hogue in the John Menadue Blog on Ukraine
• Cameron Leckie in JM Blog on Ukraine
• Caitlin Johnstone
• Gregory Clark in the John Menadue Blog on Ukraine
• Bryce Green in Fair.org on Ukraine
• Dee Knight in Covert Action Magazine - More on Ukraine
• Matt Taibbi on Ukraine

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Suburban Eastern Australia, an environment that has over time

evolved some extraordinarily unique groups of homicides.

Despite the reputation of their Homeland, some are remarkably thin skin.

Some seem to have multiple lifespans.

A few were once thought to be extinct in the region.

Others have been observed being sacrificed by the earth, but today we observe a small

tribe akin to a group of miracles that gathered together a top, a small amount

to watch question and discuss the current events of their city, their country, and

their world at large let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known

as the iron fist and the velvet glove.

Well, hello, there deal listener.

This is the iron fist and the velvet glove podcast.

This is my second attempt at the intro.

Um, we went through it before and then Joe pointed out that we

hadn't pressed the go live button.

So we're doing it again.

I'd call some Trevor AKA the iron fist with me as always is Shay the subversive.

How are you shy?

Very well.

Thanks.

Hello everybody.

And Joe, the tech guy evening, he's holding us together with the tech.

If you're in the chat room, if you're joining us, uh, say hello, we'll

try and incorporate your comments.

As we go through the news, the politics, the sex and religion

that's happened in the last two weeks since we last met with you.

And, um, I'll look language warning early on.

I think I won't be able to help myself at some point during this one, I'm going

to have a little bit of a monologue, which I haven't warned you guys about.

And, uh, it could well be that I launch into some naughty words,

suffocating the kids nearby.

Um, Maybe you should vet this episode beforehand.

So we're going to talk about a few different topics.

We've got the greatest time saga.

We've got various religious nutters from the center point school to their

own prime minister doing their normal religious nuttery, um, private schools.

Are they good or bad in terms of performance?

A couple of COVID things, Aboriginal flag flight attendants pay property

prices, of course, Venezuela.

Uh, and of course, Ukraine, Ukraine will be at the end.

So Ukraine, one's an interesting one because obviously I sort of thought

that's a good one to talk about.

And it took a lot of digging and a lot of effort to find the alternative viewpoint

on what's happening in the Ukraine.

So, um, so hang around for that one.

That'll be at the end and, um, uh, hello to Jack Hage, Bronwyn

Craig B um, everyone else on the.

Ah, everyone else in the chat room, which isn't aspiring for some reason, and Joe

is going to work out why, I don't know why that's not the spying job, but,

um, um, anyway, Joel, work out on that.

And Tom, the warehouse got look, all those things, grace time, religious nutters,

private schools, property price, it's all a little bit of a distraction to me.

These are all sort of minor issues in the scheme of things.

To some extent from the really big things that we just never

talk about often enough.

So I wanted to go on a little bit of a monologue.

So bear with me on this one, um, that we need to, to look at the

big picture occasionally and ask ourselves, are there systemic problems

in what is being done about it?

Uh, in relation to Australia until now, good luck has

papered over a host of problems.

Being a small population on a large landmass full of natural resources.

We in Australia have evolved into a complacent society of dullards.

We have allowed miners to buy our resources on the cheap

boomers to steal from the younger generations and multinationals

to raid our economy like bandits.

We've allowed Murdoch to poison our traditional information sources.

And with it out of Moxie, we could have chosen Scandinavian style socialism

that we have mainly adopted American near liberal culture delivered by

an incompetent Christian Taliban.

His first priority is to enrich themselves in mites.

And then secondly, to impose a bronze age morality on the rest of us.

I mean, these are the big things that are happening to us.

We've got an economy based on holes and houses, but the stuff

in the halls will run out.

And in the main time, much of it is poisoning out.

Are self-inflicted housing bubble is crippling our economy.

Those of us with property, selfishly Canada winnings and congratulated

ourselves on your hard work and smart investment strategy without pausing

the question, whether a property boom, might be bad for our society.

See what happens is our labor is going to be uncompetitive in world markets because

our labor needs higher wages to pay for the basic shelter that the labor needs.

So we're just going to be uncompetitive with the rest of the world, simply

because of shelter costs popping.

This property bubble is going to cause the enormous pine and sustaining the

bubble will keys cause even more pain.

We've got a fallen and alternative to digging holes.

And the question is can services and tourism fill the void probably.

For replacing that resource income and for regaining some sort of security,

I think we need to develop a capacity to make things top end expensive,

complicated things for sure, but probably also regular everyday things.

We need an economy that would survive a war or a major breakdown in world trade.

And we've seen that with the pandemic where at one point it looked like

we needed a lot of respirators.

Did we actually have the capacity to make a respirator Australia needs

to grow up and become a responsible adult that prepares for disasters?

We are the spoiled brats of the world.

, immature selfish, shortsighted, narrow minded, uneducated teenage layouts.

Who've been isolated from harsh realities, but they're coming our line.

We owe it to future generations to stop wasting our adults.

And like an inexperienced adolescent.

We have fallen in love with the brag.

God's sports jock.

He seems a beloved by everybody, but he is actually an abusive bully that many Awario

of our friends look on with bemusement.

As we insist on being the first to suck the cock of the USA, our friends, neither

is not a point in talking us out of it.

We must learn the hard way we need to educate ourselves about

where we are and how we got here.

We need to decide what we realistically want to be in a

hundred years in doing that.

We need to understand human nature, human societies, and how power works.

We have to look around at what others are doing, but also consider

what might be ideally possible that no one else has tried.

Once we understand how the world works and how it could work differently

only then can we set worthwhile goals and planes to fulfill those goals?

So can we be the first society that learns from other people's

mistakes without having to make the same mistakes ourselves?

I don't know, but for the sake of our descendants, we must try, they go.

There's a little rain just to put some seriousness.

And these are the big picture things that just never get talked about at all.

And, um, uh, comments, or should we just now heading to the distractions

before we get into the bigger ideas?

Okay.

I just wanted to say here, here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

So let's run through a few distractions.

Um, and yet part of it is these things are easy to have an opinion of

without thinking too hard, grace time, was she rude to the prime minister?

Is it rude in that situation to pull a nasty face at the prime minister?

And we can all have an opinion and we don't really need to have researched

or thought about it too hard.

We didn't need to activate our system.

Two thinking as Carmen would talk, refer to just blurt out an opinion and a moon.

So we've blurted, endlessly really about it.

Um, it's not to say we're not going to play to that under the boy now.

So Shay you kick off.

I mean, not to belittle the whole situation as I probably have with that

whole intro, but, but let's go through it.

What what'd you think of the whole grades team saga?

Yeah, I think, um, I think you make a fair point about the noise.

Like you just get bombarded by this story, don't you until even though

your, for everything that grace time is standing for, you just

don't want to look at it anymore.

Yeah.

I remember having a similar experience when, um, Scott Morrison went on hold.

Yeah to Hawaii after her walls last.

So needlessly noisy.

And we're not talking about, you know, the resources and the practicalities

and climate change and yeah.

Yeah.

So, but that aside, I thought of a few things.

So the first thing was is that I, I, I made, made it like silent commitment

after I was watching grace tame, you know, um, I watched her thing on the

Australian story after I saw this.

Cause I hadn't seen it yet.

And um, in it, she says, if I don't speak truth to power, every

opportunity I get, then I'm a hypocrite.

So that's exactly what she was doing.

I went back over some of the videos and it seems to me that he kind of

like back into her over, he did.

Yeah.

So, but this is where I live.

I live by the photo op by the federal.

So, yeah, so she upheld her personal integrity, which is that

she was speaking truth to power.

She wasn't going to stand there and smile for him.

Um, and, and certainly as I was watching her, I was thinking

about all the times I'd smile.

When I'd been told to smile all the times I'd had like worried

interactions with blokes.

I even recalled in 2019, I'd been at a charity fundraiser

for the Bush fire victims.

And, um, I taught was talking to Senator Jordan.

Who's the green Senator in the wheelchair.

And Kim Baisley, the governor of Australia, Western Australia was

there and he just like walked up and then just stood right in front of me.

And started talking to Kim basically just started talking to Senator Jordan.

It's like, oh good.

I, you know, Senator Jordan and stuff as though I was not there.

And Senator Jordan came over to me later and just apologized on his

behalf and said, you know, that's sort of, yeah, culturally what happens

in political circles and I'm sorry.

And for me, I was like, I'm never going to let that happen again.

If a bloke stands in front of me in a group, I am going to tap them

on the shoulder and it's actually happened to me twice since.

And I still did the same thing.

I just new group to go and talk to.

It's hard to in the moment socially, because we aren't social considerations,

you know, and you don't want to be made a fool of, and maybe you're overreacting

and like so much goes on in your brain.

So you just kind of slide off, you know, You've been indoctrinated to be

civil and, and, and you wouldn't want to make us sort of an outburst in case you

had somehow misinterpreted something.

So it is difficult for yeah.

And you know, people with powerful positions.

So I was, I was really proud of her.

Yeah.

And one of the other things I've, uh, I made a promise to myself that from

now on, I think I'm just going to leave the criticizing of women to men.

So that was like my little personal solution going forward for all for this.

Yeah.

Certainly.

That's been loud.

All of the criticism about it, and this could be a issue we

could all collectively gain from.

I think we could stop child sexual abuse.

That's a win for everybody.

Isn't it?

Yeah.

I mean, he would have thought though, I'll Beckon her over.

She'll have to stand beside me.

She'll have to smell.

And there'll be a photo where it looks like grace and I have

patched up and all is good.

Like he would have thought that it might not have rolled it all through his

head at that moment, but he would have been thinking here's an opportunity.

And, uh, yeah, it didn't pan out that way.

So I'm of course, very hypocritical, um, uh, the whole thing, because there's

other circumstances, you know, of course you read in the Murdoch papers,

uh, different, uh, columnists and opinion writers saying how rude it was.

And meanwhile, Scott Morrison has just been equally as rude to other people.

There's been photos of him refusing to shake the hand of, of, um, bill

shorten other times in parliament where he's had his back turn to, uh, Tanya

Plibersek, a whole host of times when he's just been rude, arrogant pig.

You mean like when he preys on people, right?

Yeah, exactly.

So, um, Uh, say it, you know, hypocritical of course, and, uh, good on grace time.

Um, we'll see what happens.

Interesting.

Um, one other comment I saw this was from my Carlton.

Um, he saw an ABC news headline, which was, uh, wonder if I put this up?

No, I didn't have it on the thing.

Um, so ABC news, grace time criticized for political and childish interaction

with prime minister, ABC news.

Um, so that's just repeating one, one side of the viewpoint and they

could equally have written Gray's time applauded for honest refusal to play

nice with prime minister, but the ABC chose to, to repeat the news court line.

If you like, um, I increasingly find the ABC quite disappointing

in how it's approaching things.

Like, you know, they're always against the government, aren't they?

Um, particularly in relation to China, I often see them just accepting the,

the, uh, um, the anti China rhetoric and probably in relation to Ukraine.

If I see enough about it now, and I'll see the same thing, um, yeah, ABC,

um, could be better, but, um, yeah.

Um, in the chat room everyone's going off already.

And, um, uh, Roman says I spend time arguing with my sister

via text about grace time.

She thought that Ms.

Tom was rude and hadn't done her cause any good.

Um, ramen said she was entitled to behave that way.

Given the government had ignored her, which they did like they, they

created some sort of inquiry or.

About the very topic that grace time is famous for and didn't

invite her input into it at all.

She found out about it from reporters.

Um, yeah.

So, um, it'll be interesting to see how Dylan the wheelchair athlete goes equals.

He will see things happening with national disability scheme

that he won't be impressed with.

And then the lead's been challenged by grace.

That's right.

She, I think she's furthered the cause, frankly.

Yeah, I think, um, he strikes me as the sort of character.

He probably might say something, so I don't think the coast is

clear for the, or the government.

Um, thanks to Dylan.

Yeah.

But, um, I read an interesting tweet that I took a photo of just in terms

of comparisons about women's conduct.

So.

Where is a Darren Chester.

National's MP.

So humble, so respectful and so determined that's leadership.

And she doesn't even know it.

Good luck in the final Ash body, but you're already a winner.

Yes.

When you finished playing tennis, let's get you into federal parliament.

You're in parliament.

Darren, maybe you could demonstrate some humbleness.

What else is there?

Yeah.

Respect and determination.

I think expertise.

I think is great, but the last thing that entered my mind was that

she should have become a politician.

No.

Would it even be attractive to her?

I'd say maybe we should get, um, what's her name?

The.

Grand slam weapon.

Um, Rafa.

No, no, no.

Uh, from the sixties got caught.

Yeah.

But we'll get her, get her into parliament.

Yeah.

Well, we've already got John Alexander.

So John Alexander was a champion tennis player.

Didn't make him a champion politician.

He's actually, he's actually really angry.

Cause he, he was on a committee that was looking at very fast trains and basically

thought, well, this is a good idea.

And has discovered he's got absolutely nowhere with his party in relation

to the one policy that he ended up thinking it was a good one.

And that's the reason why he wants to leave.

And he's sort of, um, suddenly woken up that maybe the party's

part of isn't so crash hot.

So, uh, um, up please, celebrity, um, politicians it's bad

enough to do without that.

Yeah.

Um, actually a red Z, um, makes a point in the chat room.

Um, Uh, has there been any thought of this back race time that she was genuinely

traumatized being near him a good point?

Like possibly yeah, genuinely, uh, it's quite possible.

Most of us might be.

Hmm.

That's right.

I mean, it'd be hard not to show your feelings with a guy like that.

All right.

Um, let me see.

So that was a great time city point.

Christian college is a college in Queensland.

That's come out in the news in the last week or so, because they've asked

errands to sign a contract prior to the start of the new school year.

And, uh, in it, it's got this acknowledgement of what the beliefs

are of point Christian college.

And they say there, we believe that any form of sexual immorality,

including, but not limited to.

Adultery fornication, homosexual acts, bisexual acts.

Beastiality incest, pedophilia, and pornography is equivalent is sinful

and offensive to God and is destructive to human relationships and society.

So they're just lumped in adultery, fornication, homosexual acts,

bisexual X with beastiality incest, pedophilia, and pornography.

Yep.

Um, yeah.

So they've put that in as part of a contract with parents and there's been

an uproar about it and people saying, oh, they've also said that they're

only going to recognized the gender of students based on their birth certificate.

Uh, that's the only agenda they're going to recognize.

And, and people that are just shocked.

What do they think is happening out there already all the time?

Like we've got a government that is passing a law or trying to

pass a law that basically says if your school has an ethos.

Then it can just do whatever the hell it likes in terms of enrolling and

hiring and firing provided it is doing so, um, in furtherance of its ethos.

So these guys have simply laid it out so that when the law is passed, they'll be

able to say, we told you what our ethos is, and now all you guy kids piss off.

Like, it's just, what did they think was going to happen is happening.

They're not going to kick out the gay kids.

They're just going to believe them.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Even a half a chance.

They'll kick him out.

So, and you know, what are they doing there anyway?

You've got, ah, I guess parent parents shouldn't, uh, parents might not

know their kid's game, but, um, yeah.

And, and you also, uh, parents may have a borrowed attitudes to their kids

being gay, just because the parents are religious doesn't mean that the kids need.

In their life.

Yes.

So, um, so anyway, that's city point, that's created an uproar

in Queensland and, um, the shovel had a wonderful article.

Yes.

Um, they said, um, parents have responded to a request from city point Christian

college about sewing this enrollment contract by asking the school to first

guarantee that their children won't be sexually assaulted by the school staff.

Uh, the school is yet to respond, but some experts say the demands are impractical.

I'm afraid this so-called contract from parents is unworkable.

One religious commentator said.

Uh, it goes on anyway, that's the classic paragraph is when I saw my kids up to go

to school, I expect to get information about what they'll be learning in

maths or what supports are available.

But instead I got a four page contract about adultery, fornication,

homosexual, bisexual, X, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, and pornography.

What the fuck are these people doing at their staff meetings?

I think that sums it up, right?

Yeah.

That is true.

They are obsessed with the bedroom, these people, um, there was also,

I think the ABC noted, no, sorry.

There's a petition going around that said they got $14 million

in federal funding last year.

Yeah, of course they did.

Yeah, of course.

Yep.

Think this and this is nonsense has been going on for years.

Alright.

Um, so isn't it perfect that happens now because it's actually some it's brilliant

timing because people, people will say effective and now, and good on a group

who stood outside and, uh, it's sort of a guy support group and, um, stood outside

the school and sort of as a support group.

So in a protest saying good on them.

Um, all right.

Uh, this is all just going to continue this sort of nonsense though, isn't it?

Because we've mentioned a thousand times on this podcast, the listener

about the takeover of the liberal party by evangelical Christian churches

who are just rabidly motivated, it will not stop until I've taken over.

They've seen the example in America and I just following the same

playbook and we've seen it in Western Australia, Queensland, south Australia.

Uh, lightest, um, hotspot is in new south Wales and essentially, um, last week,

a prominent member of liberals, right?

Faction Tim James sneered, the safe new south Wales seat of Willoughby replacing

the former liberal premier Gladys Berejiklian, who was a leading moderate.

Um, no one sword coming the lower north shore is a moderate stronghold within

the party and the popular, uh, former Willoughby council mayor Gail Giles'

kidney, a moderate with a high local profile was seen as the front runner.

Charles Gidney had the endorsement of Berejiklian and a power broker Zimmerman.

And, but at the end of a three hour pre-selection meeting

attended by more than a hundred members of the local branch.

The moderates were lifts, shellshocked.

The new were ringer rules for choosing a candidate had

delivered an unexpected result.

And, um, got in this guy, who's a, um, a hard line, right.

Winger and, um, just guy's on, let me find it here.

Um, new rules for pre-selecting candidates have provided an avenue

for increased influence, and there are signs that the right operatives are

active, quote, the right, or taking the car out for a spin to see what's

possible said one factional player.

So, um, so Tony Abbott's original rules for establishing branch member plebiscites

to choose candidates were substantially modified before being adopted.

Um, they were worried about branch stacking by Christians.

I think safeguards against branch stacking, such as being a member

for two years and monthly limits on new members, signing signups were

included and a quarter of the vote was allocated to the state exam.

Um, but you know, what's happened to you according to this article, is that the

moderates have underestimated the right.

So now what they've done is they're putting a real, saying we've

got to be member for two years.

Well, these Hartline Christian evangelicals go fine for sign up.

It will vote in two years time and they say there's monthly limits on new members.

That's fine.

We'll just rebel out parishioners in monthly.

According to the rules, these guys play the long game.

This is what religion is all about.

It is a long game and they've simply made it now harder for other groups to work

because nobody plays a longer, harder game than these nutbag Christian groups.

They've taken their time.

They've filled up the branch within members and they've

got their pre-selection.

They'll just continue to do it around the place.

I don't know what they were thinking.

If they thought this would stop them because to me, um, the harder you make

it, they would go, well, the better it is because we like hurdles because we'll,

we've got people who'll jump any hurdle.

And you guys don't you moderate.

That was the argument from, um, uh, um, my mates.

Same when you make the planning application process harder to stop

corruption, all you do is make it easier for the people who are, have the deep

pockets and have their mates already in the seats of power and you'd make it

harder and harder for the new entrance.

So effectively you create a very closed system.

Yep.

You need a real organization to, to get through it.

And, um, yeah.

So the sort of, um, Oh, I don't know.

Um, a popular candidate is sort of burst onto the scene.

Just won't be able to get the numbers because, uh, the

system will grind them down.

They'll need to have been doing it for years.

So Rick's perfectly into the hands of, of these guys and that's what's

happening in new south Wales.

What should happen around the rest of the country?

Um, okay.

Not alienate the electorate, which is mostly yes, yes.

You would think so eventually because they'll just get crazier

and crazier, candida, only if they're being obvious about it, if

they're being sly about it then.

No.

Um, yeah, so th this is part of the problem with our democracy is

that, um, small, highly organized groups, uh, taking over what are

they are two major political parties.

Yeah, well, the other one had already been taken over by the union movement internet.

Um, my, my drive up to Rocky, um, all the way up where Palm

money, I did party posters.

I must've seen Eirich and 50 on the way up to Rockhampton, just all the way up

the sunshine coast, uh, complaining about lockdowns, which haven't been a thing for.

God knows how long.

Yup.

And then freedom, freedom, freedom.

Where the party of freedom.

Yes, he is spending big.

He's not going to win any seats.

No, no.

The question is last time they did he get enough?

You know, he only got one or 2% of something, but also plea.

Was that enough to arguably it was enough to help swell?

I think so.

I think that's his aim.

Yes.

Yeah.

So.

How anybody could be fooled by that guy or 1500 people must've

been, um, to sign up as yeah.

To, to become a party, right?

Yeah.

Anyway, uh, that's quite Palmer.

Um, he's another one though.

Who's being cagey on whether he's had the injection Maxine.

Yes.

And he says he's he's.

He says he's not invasively

as, has he lost any weight?

No.

Okay.

Well then I recognize in the high-risk group, isn't he?

Exactly.

Yeah.

So I'm just applying up to that 80 vacs, those there or light,

um, approvals and statistics here.

Let's see, let's just share some screens on skin.

Um, okay.

First up blue line at the top, um, approval of Scott Morrison red

line at the bottom disapproval.

So his approval rating as gone down, but it's still around the same

mark that it was three years ago.

That's not that bad.

So there's been lots of talk with polls about what's happened to him, but,

uh, uh, next one, um, who do you think would make the better prime minister?

The blue line at the top.

Scott Morrison the red line at the bottom.

Anthony Albanese.

I see photos of Albin easy.

And I'm who the hell is that?

He's lost a lot of weight.

Is that what you meant?

No, no, no.

It's just these nev I never see him in any media.

I see Scott Morrison's smarmy smile all over the place.

Yes.

Yeah.

So, um, I got my copy of the month play today.

Oh, there he is.

Oh, okay.

So a whole article he claims he's done more interviews than Scott Morrison.

Yes.

I don't know.

Don't know even jokes.

He's been everywhere.

I'll tell you one from last week.

Sorry.

It was yes.

He, anyway, the article says he needs 1.4 million people to vote labor who

didn't vote labor at the last election.

That's it?

Yeah.

Yep.

You would think you'd get that just in young people who

have become eligible divide.

You'd think you'd nearly get there.

Um, some, most of them, I think, just vote how their parents tell them to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's true.

Uh, and final one there.

Um, two party preferred and, uh, And you'll see that the

two pound preferred vote.

Now that's the one that has actually moved a lot in the last, uh, few weeks.

So realistically, the previous graphs I showed with popularity, not much change

to say three years ago, but this one's changed a lot, two party preferred.

So a 7% swing.

And if that was replicated at the election, it would be a

very solid wind to labor party.

And that that's the one that's changed a lot.

Is that two party preferred, but I don't know.

I think my gut tells me people just vote according to the leaders these days.

So, uh, yeah, not sure on that one.

Alright.

Uh, cool about him anyway.

I think that was the best, the best sell.

I think getting someone else to sell him as.

And you're going to eat a physical copy of the monthly.

You asked it for Christmas because I wanted something print.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Certainly Christmas present,

indeed.

Yeah.

Or I'd um, yeah, last episode, two weeks ago, I joked that I'd figured out

the Morrison government, that it was a satirical performance, not unlike, um,

uh, that sort of Hitler thing springtime for Hitler had what was called, um, the

literally yes, literally the next day, Scott Morrison asked the states to allow

our children to vote, to drive forklifts as a means of overcoming staff shortage.

In supply chains.

Have you guys ever driven a forklift?

Nope.

Nope.

But there are a lot of injuries related to that, correct?

You only got to hang around YouTube disaster videos for

five minutes and you're bound to see two or three forklift ones.

They are unbelievably dangerous in a warehouse, nudging, a pallet rack, or just

tip and stuff like it's, it's way more dangerous, I think, than driving a car

because of just the nature of warehouses.

And they're just uncontrolled environments compared to taking

out a road and the idea all it's fast track kids driving forklifts.

That, I mean, this is what they've spent some time thinking

about prior to a meeting with the premiers and didn't provide.

Material in advance and just sprung and ultimate of meeting now is this

for an idea guys, and we'll get 16 year old to drive forklifts.

That'll help me.

So yeah, it's a satirical performance.

They're really the line and on too thick, but did he see, he not

see the comments afterwards where they, how dare you lay into this?

You know, uh, all the shortages are a fault of, I probably like, um, well,

I'm going to, I've got a, um, there's one here by, uh, there was an article

by, um, in the Herald sun caliber bond.

I've got a picture of him there on the screen.

I mean, clearly a face you can trust and he's a 12 year old with a beard.

Isn't it?

I was going to say he just wants to play with a forklift.

Does it.

You know, it's not, it's not charitable to be picking on somebody looks, but

here's what he said was his article was the hatred of Scott Morrison has

become so ridiculous that even sensible ideas such as teenagers getting

forklift licenses are being shot down.

Yeah.

So, um, maybe they could go up into the ceilings and put some insulation in.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Yep.

Um, did you hear that Ron Williams is running for Senate

and quite dude reason here.

Did you hear, did you hear that at all?

Shane, do you know who Ron Williams is?

I don't know.

I can't go to heaven.

Sorry, YouTube.

Like the, please go to heaven.

He it's a song he's done.

Oh yeah.

He's he's issue.

Oh, All right.

The chats disappeared again.

J is it the screen?

I know I turned it off when you shake your screen.

Okay.

Thanks, John.

Um, so Ron Williams, he's the guy who did the high court challenges

to the chaplaincy scheme when he was basically saying the government

didn't have the authority to spend money on chaplaincy and, um, had a

couple of high court cases on that.

And eventually they, they passed legislation in a particular

way to get around that.

So, um, so yeah, he, um, is a very strong advocate for secular stuff.

And I think he's, ah, if he wasn't president of the humanists in Queensland,

he was something similar, I think at one point and maybe still is so, um, so he's

running in the Senate in Queensland and.

Yeah, there's a guy who will definitely, in terms of trying to change laws

to make Australia more secular.

So if secularism is your priority, Ron Williams is definitely your candidate.

Um, uh, first and foremost, that's what he'll be doing.

And, uh, so, um, he'll be part of the reason ticket or the

Senate team in Queensland.

So good on your run or running that might reach out and try and get him

to chat on this podcast at some stage.

So, yes, um, as Queensland's to, um, secular litigators, we could have

a lot to talk about, uh, prominent in the chat rooms says we weren't

far wrong about caliber bond.

He's 21.

Yeah, sure.

That's, I'm sure that's a paddle and dry man.

It's the wrong way.

Yeah.

Uh, so anyway, um, yeah, Ron Williams in the Senate and, um, got

Clive Robert Palmer running for the Senate and, um, and we've also got

Amanda Stone and Campbell Newman.

So it's a circus in Queensland Senate.

Yeah.

Alright.

Can-do gamble.

Yeah.

Uh, last week, um, Paul is one of our, um, all labor.

He contributes and sends stuff to me at different times and he, uh, wrote me an

email talking about our last episode and he said, so here's my question for you.

What's your view on how we should get property prices back under

control and how would we actually go about stopping this property bubble

and then maybe reversing a river?

So here's the.

Uh, yeah, I could easily pop the bubble, but now there's so many

people who are committed to these big mortgages and it'd be unfair to

overnight change a system that then just throws them into bankruptcy.

So, um, you know, now we're stuck where essentially we need policies that will

basically hold property at the, at its current price for the next 15 or

20 years to try and bring things back to normal because we really can't in

all honesty to those people, hit them with things that are going to, um, to

reverse prices by 30 or 40%, you know, intentionally by government means.

So, you know, back in the nineties, property was flat for 10 years,

my wife and I had a property.

Yeah.

Uh, I can remember we owned it for like six or seven years and

barely got our money back on it.

Like it's supposed to happen that way.

And it used to happen that way.

So if people were to think, oh, that would be shocking to keep

property prices stable for 15 years.

Um, no, it wouldn't say how it's do it dead.

Easy.

All dead easy.

Uh, number one, phase out negative gearing or residential

property instantly reduces demand.

Yup.

Uh, another one increased land tax on investment properties.

Like that's what happens overseas.

People pay a lot of land tax on property, so it's a disincentive to own property.

Um, third one tell banks they can't rely on residential home equity

to lend on investment properties.

You can pass a little like that.

A fourth one delete capital gains tax concessions.

So at the moment.

If you make a million dollars from buying and selling a house as a capital

gain, you only pay tax on half of that.

Meanwhile, if you had sweated for 20 years, flipping hamburgers

and made, um, a million dollars, you pay tax on the full amount.

So get rid of that capital gains tax concession, and it even

provides some public housing.

So with all of those things, the trick would be to phase them in.

So negative gearing on residential property, you would just over

a 10 year period, you would say next year, you can only claim 90%.

The following year, only 80%.

The following year, only 70% people would see the writing on

the wall and start exiting from, um, investment property over time.

So that would be what would be done.

And you'd only have to just look at overseas experiences and see what's what

they've got over there and just copy them.

Um, I was listening to a podcast with Alan Cola, you know, Alan Cola, ABC economist.

Yep.

And he was talking to another economist called Michael Hudson, whose book I am

reading at the moment I finished reading.

This is really good.

Um, super imperialism, uh, the economic strategy of the American Impala.

It's only vein, uh, 460 odd pages of heavy economics, but really good.

Anyway, Alan Kohler was talking to him and as part of that, uh, talking

about Australian property prices and Alan Cola looked at a house in Sydney

that was X number of kilometers from the CBD and was worth $1.5 million.

And then he looked for a similar house, the same number of

kilometers from the CBD of New York.

And the house was half the price.

This, this is what's going on in the rest of the world.

We don't hear these stories often enough.

So I mean, you know, I grew up on Jersey, which, you know, uh, offshore

finance, uh, lots of people escaping the EK tax and, um, interest paid on

your mortgage of your primary residence.

So the place you lived was tax deductible on investment properties.

It was not tax deductible.

There you go.

Yep.

So it was encouraging, it was encouraging people to own their own homes.

Yup.

Yup.

Yup.

That's the sort of thing that we need.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I was shocked when I moved over to find out that not only was I not

going to get tax relief on my mortgage, but that if I owned an investment

property, I'd get tax relief on that.

Right.

It's yeah.

Yup.

Anyway, uh, also from Paul, um, what else did he say here?

Um, so I was talking about bill shorten, not being able to sell, um, the, uh,

the story of what he was wanting to do.

They weren't selling enough.

And, um, all's taken me to task and said, this completely ignores the Murdoch,

media and Scotty from marketing, going all out on attacking labor on everything.

Bill shorten wants to ruin your weekend.

Labor will tax you to death.

Uh, Scotty came out with these outright lies and Murdoch press.

We're happy to repeat and amplify them in a nonstop campaign of

fear and scare about anything.

Labor in suggested the details get lost in the hype and the scare.

And we've seen with so many campaigns from Brexit to this, the easy lie is much more

attractive than the complicated truth.

You can't blame labor for that.

The good point, Paul, I mean, that is true.

It is difficult.

Battle the Murdoch press.

I still think they could have spent a lot more time with ABC.

They should have been saying to the ABC, we want to come onto the

seventh day to report every night.

And that if, if the, uh, labor, if the liberals don't want to

come on, then too bad, let us on.

We want to tell our story.

I think they could have worked harder in some other areas.

I've, I've noticed that the modern media is all about soundbite.

And I know that Joe Rogan's received a lot of press recently, but yeah, one of

the big reasons for his success was it was a two and a half hour interview and

he was knocking five of those out a week.

Yeah, it was incredible.

And rather than a 32nd snippet, Where you get no detail.

People do want to sit down and listen to long form interviews.

My media just isn't willing to spend that time.

Yes.

And I'm sure if he'd have wanted, if he'd have sat down and done a long

form interview with some podcast of some sort like friendly Jordy's or

somebody like that, um, you know, it's a chance to talk about it.

So say look, it is true to an extent, or is a valid argument.

I still think that could have done more.

Um, guys, like walk-in Keating sold a vision, Whitlam sold a vision.

So anyway, but then again, Whitlam did have, the pipe is more or

less on his side the first time.

So, yeah.

So that's true.

All right.

Um, and what else did he say here?

Um, oh, and he's also said, um, and the thing that really shows me the

power that Marson and Murdoch have on.

Is just how little you report on what Albanese is actually out there doing

is recently announced 200 million per year for disaster prevention

and resilience in areas hit badly by cycline and climate change.

Did you mention this big new announcement?

Not at all.

If you just reducing it down to a personality contest between Marson

and Elvin easy, you're just playing into the conservative media's hands.

I don't know, Paul, I just can't get excited about a $200 million.

It's a disaster prevention payment.

Like this is just every government gets money to spend on stuff.

It's not, it's not changing a system.

It's not a systematic change of any sort.

Uh, what I'm waiting for is the big announcement with all right.

We have so much invested in carbon, uh, or fossil fuel.

This is our package.

This is how we're going to move from fossil fuels.

This is what we're going to do with the miners.

This is how we're going to retrain them.

These are the industries that we're going to introduce into the regions

that are going to pick up the slack from when we lose these mining jobs.

Because at the moment we are fetishizing coal and coal seam gas because

it's producing, it's putting money into the regions and the regions.

Yeah.

I reckon the regions.

What would cost labor the election last year, last time?

Um, so all that money that was announced for the reef, it seems

by the Morrison government now X billion, it seems as a huge proportion

of it is actually going to farmers in order to try and prevent runoff.

Um, so it's not actually going directly to the reef.

So yeah.

You could, you could win an election on his federal ICAC policy elbows

because it's retrospective and you could make a case around, um, how

countries that are racist rich.

If they don't deal with their corruption, they can end up in poverty.

That would be case to make there to be a whole range of ways.

You could just stick with that one policy.

So we've got to clean up the corruption works for so many other like sub

groups, corruption, corruption, corruption, and really works.

Um, and may I just read you the last paragraph of this thing

about Alba in the monthly yeah.

Monthly it's written by Nick Bryant.

Yes.

Um, so over the past 40 years, Australia has lived through the

reform era under Hawk CADing and Howard, and the revenge era of rod

Gilad, rod Gilad, rod Abbott, and.

Uh, Morrison victory would prolong what could easily become a

regression era of further national drift and democratic decline.

So perhaps the best the country can hope for right now is renewal not revolution.

It wouldn't be inspiring.

It wouldn't be poetic.

It might not even be clearly articulated, but maybe it's time for

a mechanic rather than a Messiah.

And maybe Albo, is there a payment for the job?

That's good.

That's good.

Isn't it?

Yeah.

That's a good argument for your run.

Yeah, because the other week.

Yeah.

That's yeah.

That's, that's, that's a good argument.

I mean, yep.

Yep.

Yep.

You know, one of the problems is that the right wing, I've got all of

these think tanks and other groups who, who can make outrageous claims.

And shift the Overton window so that the government feels sort of, oh,

well, we're not going as far as that, but we're just going a little bit of

the why, you know, we're not going to that outside edge of craziness.

And there isn't the same sort of activity on the left with think tanks

and other groups who can shift the Overton window to the left to some point.

So, um, yeah.

That's and of course, how do you think tanks and things?

Cause you need lots of money because the lift doesn't have the

money to support the think tanks.

So that is part of the problem.

Um, sorry, Joe, you're gonna say something.

Oh, it was going to say, um, I remember seeing articles from the

Australian socialist or something.

I I've seen some very, very left wing, but there might not voices.

They're not amplified.

Thank you.

Any traction?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Um, uh, Aboriginal.

Did you see what happen with that?

So it was previously privately owned by the designer, which

was causing enormous problems or replicating the Aboriginal flags.

So in a week, the government actually did a good thing.

I believe it's somehow acquired the rights to the Aboriginal flag and

it's basically made it available for use, I guess, along the similar lines

that the Australian flag is allowed.

So that to me was well done.

You've done something

$20 million, probably not a bad in the scheme of things or Hey, things have been

going it's just dollars and we just print.

We can just print money.

Yep.

Yeah.

Brahman too says she's amazed.

So.

Must've come from the civil servants rather than the government, Shirley.

Yeah.

Um, look, it's probably a thing that's taken quite a while to work on it.

And, but anyway, full marks to it wouldn't have taken more than seven years,

presumably so, but I've done it anyway.

So that seems to be a good thing.

So it was quite an unusual situation before and that's been

cleared up, so that could be done.

Alright.

Um, private school cricketers.

So I thought this was interesting public school boys.

Come on.

Yes.

So in the UK, they called public, which is the equivalent of our private.

Why is that, Joe?

Why do they call episode institution?

Public, historically schools were either based on catchment,

what your father's profession was or what denomination were you?

Uh, and public schools were open to the public.

As long as you could pay, they were.

So they tended to be boarding school and they were non regional.

So they were very much the, um, have like in that they'd take anyone from the

public who could afford it basically.

Right.

I have a nasty restrictions of denomination and occupation and religion

could be dealt and to be a public school, your, your headmaster or headmistress

needs to be a member of the headmaster and headmistress is conference.

So there's 60 something schools in the UK and there are 30

something internationally.

Yeah.

Okay.

So when I use the word private here, I mean, it, in the sense

that we in Australia normally think of private schools.

So, um, and from the guardian, we looked through all the specialists, batters that

debuted for England in tests since 2011.

And we found out that 95% of them had been white and 77% of them

have come from private schools.

And, um, So it seems that the, uh, England's teams top order of batsman

is more elitist, uh, than what you'd find in the UK house of Lords.

So it's more explain why they're doing so poorly because they've missed out

on a lot of talent by just limiting themselves to such a small group.

A sport is very cost divided is, um, yes, even in Australia, but,

but certainly in the UK, um, public schools or private schools would

play cricket and rugby and the state schools would play football or soccer.

Um, so there are certain sports that you'd expect, um, to be a

lot more private school kids.

Yeah.

The listener, if you're ever, you know, at a barbecue with a south African who

will invariably love their rugby and.

You know, possibly come to Australia in the last 10 or 15 years or whatever.

And, uh, and just ask them where they say I get.

Were you surprised when you came to Australia to discover how low down

the totem pole rugby is in Australia?

And I go, yeah, I can't believe it.

And, um, I said, yeah, we got, you know, AFL, we've got rugby league, we've

got soccer and then rugby union rugby.

And, um, it's just played by a small collection of private schools.

And, uh, it's really low down in terms of participation at the totem Poland.

And, uh, south Africans are very surprised by, by that how low it is.

So anyway, um, so yeah, got to go to one of those schools, if you want to be in

the English, uh, top order, it seems.

And also on the private schools from the Sydney morning Herald a major

study of NAPLAN results over time found only a slight difference in

scores between the three school sector.

And these differences disappeared once a student's family

background was considered.

So the research team from the university of new England looked at the net plan

results of 1500 students in years, 3, 5, 7, and nine, and found no difference

in average achievement between the three school sectors in primary school, except

that you have five students in public schools perform slightly better in

numeracy than those in Catholic schools.

Um, in year seven and nine students at independent schools were slightly ahead,

but their apparent advantage disappeared after including socio economic status.

Um, and that's an international finding cause it was in

Freakonomics the book, right?

And there's a bunch of other studies in this article that are referred to as well.

The listener, if you are spending money.

Sending your kids to a private school.

Cause you think they're going to get a better education, a better

result than a task score or whatever.

Um, no, just because it's private does not make any difference.

Now you might choose between different schools, um, because some do run

better than others at various times, but it's just because it's a private

school is absolutely no guarantee that it's going to be any better

than the public school down the road.

And, um, you're wasting your money.

And if you think that your kid is going to join an elite cohort and get these amazing

contacts, uh, I did an interview with John Gillespie years ago on this podcast.

And you can find that.

And basically he said, You don't join a school and become part of the elite.

You are already part of the elite and you joined the school that the elite to go to.

And if you're working class and then join the elite school, thinking that you'll

join the elite, that's not how it works.

You don't get in.

So, um, so yes, you will find, for example, a large number of Supreme

court, new south Wales judges come from a particular school or whatever, but

that's not because of the education they're getting in that school.

It's just that that's where all the legal fraternity send their kids.

And, um, and if you are not in that legal fraternity and you send your kid to that

school thinking, there'll be part of that.

If that's not how it works.

So save your money and get yourself a no payer or something.

I got myself a job purely on the strength of the school I went to.

Right.

You did.

Yeah.

And.

What do you mean you'd be pulling what I'm just saying.

I went in for a holiday job, uh, and the guy took the paperwork.

The application form came out and said, oh, I see you went to Victoria college.

What house were you at?

That was it.

I got the job.

All right.

Well that that's over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Vicious.

Very mess about, um, pilot selection bank based on whether they churchy

boys on all scarves substantiated.

Seriously doubt it.

I mean, it's way too competitive in a lot of fields now, like in the law, maybe

now I look at GPA's, how good are you?

What do you get at school, Mike?

Um, you know, and, and now like the legal profession is now like 50% getting

close to 50% partners or female, you know, all that old school tie stuff.

Um, it doesn't work that way.

It might work a little bit in stockbroking.

They were the one of the last bastions, maybe in real estate, commercial real

estate, but, um, uh, it's too competitive.

They need smart, bright people.

And where you went to school, a secondary consideration,

you know, why down the list?

Um, right.

Um, uh, let me just see, uh, Shai, I saw this flight attendant

entry level wage in 1998.

Did you see this one $27 38 per hour, 90 98, 20 $7 38 in 2020

entry level flight attendant.

$29 70.

It's a $2 32 increase in 22 years.

Uh, um, I had a lot of thought about that.

So to give you some background, um, you, might've also seen in the news

that Quantas has taken an aggressive stance and, um, took a, um, agreement

to the international cohort that paid them less and worked them harder.

And so they said no to that agreement and, um, then Quantis claimed to move

to, uh, terminating the agreement and just putting them back on the award

in the meantime, to give the company certainty during these turbulent times.

So, um, Hm.

There's already risks I've already.

So I immediately am dismissed with my workplace for speaking to the media.

But, um, I just do probably need to talk about this anyway.

So look, I'll put it in context.

So I've been doing like lots and lots of digging because Quantis,

uh, have cried poor before.

And then we're quickly reporting record bonus work, record profits,

and propping up the executives.

Right?

So it's, it's all very familiar.

And, um, our union particularly flight attendants union has always said that

they are willing to negotiate to a stand still, but they've never been willing to

take real industrial action and Quantas.

His latest move has forced the secretary of the electric light.

Basically find the guts to fight them because she's in agreement that

this has got a stope 20 years of just no wage growth, you know, and look,

um, there's a whole range of things.

Like I don't really think, um, flight attendants, I don't even think it's

considered a profession or a career anymore, which is a shame because

it's a really, really good gig.

And that's between having our conditions eroded the casualization of the workforce,

but also Richard Branson profiting from making flight attendants, some

sort of a dim sex symbol, as opposed to somebody who's going to protect you.

If you find yourself in trouble on a plane, aren't you glad you asked?

Sorry, I'm getting to my point.

So we're not being taken seriously, not being paid appropriately.

We're finally taking a stand.

Um, and it was kind of upsetting to say that once Terry put that on Twitter, This

sort of like debate about how much flight attendants were worth ensued and just sort

of just became another like distraction.

Oh, what were people saying?

I didn't look at the comments.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're not worth 20.

You're saying, oh, you know, I'm getting paid $27.

A 1998 was pretty good.

And, um, things like, you know, well, they're just hospitality and yep.

What about aged care?

Doesn't anybody care about aged care?

You know, or, um, maybe if they were in a better union, maybe if they were

better supported by another union that wouldn't have happened to them.

Yeah.

So just a whole lot of bullshit, but anyway, what was my point?

So conditions have been eroded flight attendants aren't really been

taken seriously due to the pandemic.

Attitudes towards flight attendants St.

Have gotten worse conditions, have an improved.

And, um, certainly some of those flight attendants who said no to that

agreement were also flying to rescue Australians when there wasn't a vaccine.

So they were putting themselves potentially at serious risk.

And, um, since all of this blew up, I think it's probably the first tweet.

Um, Terry's ever put on Quantas is now a great tomato with, with the union again.

So it's not over, but I think come out everything the crew have been through,

like, it was just, it's just enough.

I think, you know, I we've had, yeah, we've had a lot, we've dealt

with a lot in the pasta years and, and we don't want to take away

from aged care or other frontline workers who have done it tough too.

But I just think.

We can't let a convenient thing like a pandemic.

Let Alan Joyce get his way again.

Yep.

I'm sure.

Executive salaries didn't follow the same trajectory in terms

of they didn't, they didn't.

I once versus the highest paid CEO in aviation in the world

live in million dollars a year.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

Yep.

There you go.

There you go.

So, all right, well, we'll move on while you still got a job.

Just, um, just going back.

Um, Alison mentioned, uh, she said I was given my first job as a solicitor

in Brisbane in 1990, because I went to a state school in north Queensland.

They didn't want a private school.

There you go.

That's a good story.

Yeah.

Yep.

Um, I got my first job as an article Clark and I reckon it was one of the

things was I had worked at McDonald's.

With the lady who was sort of like the office manager at some point, and she saw

the resume come through and uh, tonight give this guy guy he'll be all right.

So, um, so yeah, I think that might have had a big thing to do with how I

got in was through that sort of thing.

Right.

Um, yeah, just don't property, still property prices.

I saw this tweet, which was someone living in their mom's basement used to be the

butt of a joke, but the rental market is so insane that now it's like, damn,

you've got a whole basement to yourself.

That's sexy.

Did you see the, um, anti work interview or not anti work interview?

So there's a Reddit forum, which was called anti work.

And it was a very, very anarchist group originally that were out to

abolish work and, um, I don't know how they were going to make ends meet.

Anyway, recently in America with everyone getting disaffected, by

having to work three jobs to make ends meet, there's been an influx of

people who want a fair wage system.

Um, and Fox news got the main moderator from the anti work group on to talk

about this and the something like a million people were in the group.

And there's one person who is autistic hadn't dressed up for the interview

was swiveling around in their chair.

Wasn't making eye contact with the camera is saying that they earn, they

work 20 hours a week as a dog Walker.

And really laziness is a virtue.

And I'm basically playing into all of the biases that Fox had.

And, and the 1 million workers who are members of the group who wanted

to advocate for, you know, we need to work three jobs to get a living wage,

and we really need to do something about America's slave economy.

Uh, we're very upset, right?

That this person who I think was living at their parents' house and could

afford to live on 20 hours a week of dog walking, we're standing up representing

them when it wasn't at all, what they thought the group was about, right?

Yes.

Yes.

Living at home in a, in a salute Marius basement, no doubt, but played

beautifully into the hands of Fox.

Yep.

Yeah.

Um, I really like Alan McCloud.

He talks a lot about, uh, um, that is why other and south American other ticks.

And there was this headline in Breitbart, which was Nicolas

Maduro threatens to kill us troops.

If they invade Venezuela.

Duh,

but you're supposed to do people invade your country.

Why?

Even through

Noriega, I don't know why.

Uh, just quickly, no jab, no heart transplant.

31 year old, man.

I think this was in the us.

I'm no longer eligible to receive a heart transplant at Boston's Brigham

and women's hospital because he refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

DJ Ferguson was at the top of the transplant list, but under the

hospital's policy, he's ineligible because he's un-vaccinated Ferguson's

father says his son will not get the vaccine because it's against his basic

principles and he doesn't believe.

And the hospital released a statement regarding situations saying like

many other transplant programs.

Um, COVID vaccine is one of several vaccines and lifestyle behaviors required

for transplant candidates in order to receive, um, in order to create both the

best chance for a successful operation.

And also the patient's survival after transplantation, not surprising.

And wow, you're a true believer.

Aren't you, you need a heart transplant and you say no.

And meanwhile, it's hardly sensible.

I think the last time we discussed this, I mentioned my cousin was up for a

kidney, it to make it laser requirements.

So he got his kidney and Sydney, he got his kidney and then he got

COVID, but he had got vaccinated before we go to the kidney.

So he has his kidney and he gets to live.

Yeah.

And the community has a kidney that's.

Yeah.

Um, and yeah, I mean, I'm on immunosuppressive drugs.

The people have had transplants are on much, much higher doses.

Um, and effectively they have bugger all immune system.

Um, so vaccines, once you're on those immunosuppressive drugs

are very unlikely to work.

It doesn't mean they won't, but yeah, the, the risk is high.

So they want you to be fully vaccinated before you start taking those drugs.

Um, another article I'm Kelly Slater.

He's another one who's in there hasn't been vaccinated, um, claims he knows more

about being healthy than 99% of doctors.

So guess what?

He's not going to be getting in.

Presumably, presumably somewhere in the government, they've got a red

flag at the passport control that says when Kelly slide nine county.

Alarm bells set them off so we can get this straight this time.

It didn't.

I

mean, honestly, if that guy gets into the country and we have to go

through the whole Yakovich fiasco again, I'm leaving the country.

Right.

You crying?

Explain you crime.

Yes, please do.

Yeah.

Saudi listener.

I had to hunt quite a bit to find the alternative story on the Ukraine

and, um, sort of traditional story that we're being fed is that.

Those nasty Russians are ganging up on those poor Ukrainians and it's up to the

USA and the rest of the world to keep out the, uh, freedom, love and Ukrainians who

have only just recovered their democracy.

And, uh, and that evil Putin, we've got to show him what full war.

I mean, let's see it, isn't it, that's the story.

And so I'm going to name the articles and who's written them and whatever.

And this is just the alternative side of the story that you can

consider when trying to think about what's happening in the Ukraine.

Um, first of all, I just want to give you, uh, some common ground.

Um, this is a chart showing low vaccination rates around the

world and, um, uh, vaccination.

Fully vaccinated, uh, Russia, 49% USA, 66%, uh, next closest Japan on 84%.

So Russia in the USA do hold, um, a similar value system when it

comes to craziness with a vaccine.

So, you know, that that's a common ground between the culture and the

USA Putin's media machine is big in both Russia and the USA apparently.

Alright.

Um, so I am now on the, um, Facebook for the, for this episode, I had a map and I'm

just going to bring that, find that map.

Let me just find that and I'll bring that up.

So, uh, let's put that up because it's important to look at at

the map and see where we are.

So if you're pulling the live stream or you're watching this on YouTube

at some other point, I've got a map of Ukraine near the bottom,

Crimea, Crimea, and off to the right.

Um, the Eastern sort of section of the Ukraine that's in dispute

in particular at the moment.

So, all right.

First article Calvin Hogue, former diplomat is worked in Asia, Europe

and the Americas, as well as the UN.

He's also worked at Australian national university and Macquarie universities.

And he's riding in the, uh, John managee blog in an article and I'm quoting here.

So he says it's a complex situation.

Uh, the Ukrainian state in its present form is a relatively recent

creation in historical terms and is still divided by religion,

language, geography, and identity.

And the, uh, internal problems are further complicated by the interests of

European states and Russia, and the us in the west of the Ukraine, uh, people of

Polish origin and in the Eastern Donbass region, Russian speakers permanent.

Around whom the current controversy swirls, um, Russia is widely spot.

Russian is widely spoken throughout the Ukraine, even by

nationalistic, Ukrainian speakers, but not everyone speaks Ukrainian.

So, um, the current imbroglios involves around Ukrainian nationalists who

want everyone to speak and use the Ukrainian language on all occasions.

And on the other hand, those who prefer a more multicultural approach where Russian

can be used, especially in the Donbass.

That's an area off to the right to the east, where it is the only language.

Russian is the only language, uh, in the dog bear some worker, uh, in the

Donbass, some would like to be part of Russia, but others are happy to

remain Ukrainian so long as I can use the Russian language, many probably

don't care and just want to be left alone in peace and relative prosperity.

The revolt broke out after key Evian posed the use of Ukrainian and

then Russia supported the rebels.

So we now have a clash between Ukrainian Patriots supported by the

government who want closer ties to Western Europe or in some cases,

membership of the EU at nighttime.

And on the other hand, those who were pro-Russian, they want closer

ties with Russia and in some cases to be absorbed into Russia.

So Russia is supporting the Donbass rebels, militarily, and

politically, and it's offered citizenship to people in the region.

And the U S supports the anti-Russian parties.

Um, Western Europe offers rhetorical support, but would not

want a divided floor and corrupt country joining the EU or NATO.

Um, many your Crimeans hate that Western Europe will let

them in, bring them out of.

So the question is, will Putin invite you crying and what will others do?

And he says here that forces have been sent to the border.

Um, and he says, it's worth remembering the Cuban missile crisis when the U S

threatened war at the USSR placed nuclear missiles in Cuba and Russia, back down

only at the price of a secret agreement by the U S to remove missiles from Turkey.

So Russia still sees NATO as a threat quite legitimately.

Um, so Russia believes they got a promise from the U S that NATO

would not move east as quid pro quo for accepting German unification.

But now they see this promise being broken.

So no host world war two, we had NATO, uh, agreement north Atlantic

treaty organizations with the U S.

Setting up there, miss aisles, phasing them towards Russia.

And we had a zone in between that and Russia of sort of Eastern block countries.

It was like a buffer zone.

And really what's been happening over the last 50 years is that buffer zone is

being depleted as more and more of these countries are joining the EU and NATO.

So it's a dangerous situation to reduce a buffer zone.

If this was happening to the Americans, they would be

apoplectic with rage and fear.

Um, but they don't, you know, and to give Russia the same, uh,

opportunity to feel that way.

So, um, bottom line is Putin would like to absorb that Donbass region.

Um, it's actually industrial.

The rest of Ukraine is not, um, it doesn't want to get into a

war and most likely outcome is.

It'll just stay in the way it is at the moment.

So that was, uh, Kevin Hogue, um, Tom Andrew block, right?

Cameron Lecky, uh, he's an officer at the Australian army for 24 years.

Agricultural engineer, currently PhD candidate also

writing the John Menindee blog.

So he's saying that we're witnessing the end of Washington's uni poll on moment,

which is basically the, the strength of the USI as the numero UNO, um, big dog on

the planet in terms of military affairs.

So, um, uh, he says the coverage by our media shows we've become

addicted to our own propaganda and that the mainstream media have become

little more than narrative managers.

Um, so, um, so he said.

Uh, reading of media articles, which suggest that the history

of the UK and crisis, the Ukraine crisis started with a Russian

invasion of Crimea and the Donbass.

For example, the ABC in an explainer article described it thus quote

in 2014, Russia, annexed, Crimea Crimea after Ukraine ousted,

fro Russian leader, Victor Yana.

Covich an ally of Mr.

Putin's.

So that's what the ABC summarized.

It ads in 2014, Russia annexed Crimea after the Ukraine ousted a pro-Russian

leader who was an ally of Mr.

Putin's.

So that's a gross simplification of what occurred that leader was asked it

in a violent coup fleeing for his life.

The coup was the culmination of escalating violent protests.

After that president Yanukovych decided to withdraw the Ukraine.

From a proposed agreement with the European union and agreement

that would have harmed Ukraine's already struggling economy.

So while many of the protesters were peaceful, a sizeable proportion of the

postcode government and the protesters who brought it to Powell were fascists.

The United States supported the coup, um, and that's, um, a number

of sources will basically say that.

Um, so there was also in 2010, um, a pact was signed between the Ukraine

and Russia about a Naval base in Crimea and, um, the, um, allowing

the Russians to stay in crime area at this black sea Naval base until 2004.

The vehemently anti-Russian post KU government, given the opportunity would

have canceled this agreement for sure.

Um, so, and they would have invited us and NATO forces onto the Crimean peninsula.

So that was just going to be unacceptable to Russia.

So they annexed it as a direct result.

So the original sin was the coup, but this has disappeared down

the media memory hall, enabling a narrative of Russian aggression.

Um, and there was a 2015 Minsk agreement, which was basically to sort out what

was going to happen with his Donbass region as operating as a separate

territory to the rest of the Ukraine and Ukrainian government agreed to that.

And hasn't done anything to facilitate that happening.

So, uh, two sides to the story there.

Um, a bit more on this, um, So the interesting part in that one is that

the, um, the IMF tried to get the Ukraine to agree to a host of changes

to its economy in exchange for money.

And it was the classic Neo liberal takeover of a country that the IMF

has been doing all around the world.

And I'll get to the details later, but it was clearly going to be, um, not in

the UK, his interests are not in the Ukrainian interest to agree to that.

So they basically had to, um, knock it on their head and then turn to the Russians

and say, well, what have you got for us?

And the Russians often run a deal.

And I said, okay, we'll go with you.

And what else.

There was a coup that overthrew the Ukrainian government supported by

the U S it's just a classic play that has been happening on this planet for

the last 70 years where, um, where essentially, if you don't accept the

IMF proposals that you open up your economy to U S interests, that you

nationalize your, your, your commons and that you impose austerity programs.

If you don't do that, then you'll be tossed out in a coup that'll

be engineered by the Americans.

That's exactly what happened, all happened in the Ukraine.

So I'll get a bit more into the details on that.

Um, uh, just the, the, the ability of the Americans to be

so shameless about what they.

This sphere of influence, uh, encompasses in the world.

So Joe Biden says everything south of Mexican border is America's front yard.

I mean, the Monroe doctrine is still in effect.

Monroe doctrine was nobody touches central and south America.

That's our hemisphere.

You stay out, it's just an open statement.

The Monroe document doctrine, it's still implied.

You know, they've got that spokesperson who talks at the

white house and answers questions.

Um, on behalf of the president, uh, Jin Spassky P S a K I, he says,

Eastern Europe is our Eastern flank.

Like be your crane is America's Eastern flank, according to the white house.

As Katelyn Johnson says the us government firmly believes its

territorial borders extend to outer planets in our solar system.

And then she says, um, anyone that criticizes, um, the annexation

of Crimea, uh, doesn't understand that the overwhelming majority of

Crimeans prefer to be part of Russia.

So there was a referendum held in 2014, which the Crimeans overwhelmingly voted

to secede from the Ukraine and joined the Russian Federation and a similar

vote in 1991 to secede from the Ukraine, which the Ukrainian government overruled.

And the results of further than confirmed by Western pollsters in 2015

and 2019 say there's a huge amount of support in Crimea to be part of Russia.

The other part is.

Saying that the crime ear can go back to the Ukraine ignores the historical fact

that it was only briefly under Ukrainian administration having been put there by

Khrushchev who was a Ukrainian when he was head of the Soviet union, is that prior

to Khrushchev, it was just an independent state as part of that Eastern block.

He was Ukrainian itself like Mike on me of part of the Ukraine, right?

Nother writer, Gregory Clark began his career in Australia's department

of external affairs with postings to Hong Kong and Moscow resigned

in 1964 to protest Australia's participation in the Vietnam war.

Um, uh, it lives in Japan.

Um, he was in the Australian in Moscow, 1963 to 65 and has visited

Ukraine and Crimea several times.

So he's the writer of this third article that we're going to talk.

People seem to have forgotten that in 2014, there was a civil war

in the Ukraine, which sorta who installed anti-Russian government

using extremist far-right militias from Western Ukraine to dominate the

large Russian speaking majority in central and Eastern Ukraine with 14,000

killed the pro Russian groupings.

I only managed to survive by establishing holdouts in the far east and provinces.

From there, they negotiated a truce with the new anti-Russian government, which

promised them a degree of autonomy.

It was called the Minsk to agreement of 2015, the Kiev government reneged

on the promise of autonomy, even though they'd signed onto it.

He since have seen Sprague fighting failed attempts to revive that agreement, um, uh,

It is the very existence of, uh, that Donbass region, the Russian

either receive, which is denounced as Russian aggression, even though

the Minsk agreement allowing the existence of the provinces, has

you insecurity council approval?

So that was him, another guy, um, Bryce green.

Now he is just a humble student at Indiana university Bloomington, no special, um,

diplomatic qualifications at all, but he's got some interesting information here.

So the official line goes something like this.

Russia is challenging NATO and the international rules based order by

threatening to invite Ukraine and the Biden administration needed to deter

Russia by providing more security guarantees, the Ukrainian government.

The official account seizes on the 2014 annexation of Crimea as a starting point.

And as evidence of Putin's goals are rebuilding Russia's long lost empire.

Um, Russia's demand that NATO stop expanding is viewed as such

an obviously impossible demand.

It can only be understood as a pretext to invite you crying.

If all of the U S should send weapons and trips to Ukraine

to guarantee your security.

I mean, that's a fair assessment of the way this is being portrayed.

Um, uh, let me just see, uh,

so the backdrop to the CU, as I was talking about before, it was in

response to, um, the us through the IMF, trying to open up Ukrainian

markets to foreign investors.

So.

Uh, he says a key tool for this has been the international monetary

fund, which leverages aid loans to push governments, to adopt policies,

friendly to foreign investors.

The IMF is funded by and represents Western financial capital and governments.

And it's been reshaping economies around the world for decades often with

disastrous results in the Ukraine, the IMF had long planned to implement a

series of economic reforms to make the country more attractive to investors.

These included cutting wage controls, meaning lowering lighters, reforming,

and reducing health and education sectors and cutting natural gas

subsidies to Ukrainian citizens.

So that, uh, that made energy affordable to the general public.

So the IMF wanted to lower wages reduce health sectors and.

Cut natural gas subsidies.

So energy would be more expensive.

That's part of the program that they insist in order to

provide line to the Ukraine.

So the Ukrainian president negotiated, but then turned against these changes

and ended the trade talks and started negotiations with Russia, which

was of course, or may just not.

So, um, there was a coup, as I've already mentioned, engineered by

the U S after the coup the new government quickly restarted that deal.

Um, and after cutting heating subsidies in the half secured, a $27

billion commitment from the IMF, uh,

The Americans wearing guides in a destabilization campaign against

the inner COVID government.

They can't the campaign culminated with the overthrow of the elected

president in the Maidan revolution.

Um, so the U S was fueling anti-government sentiment and I spent 5 billion

promoting democracy in the Ukraine.

And, uh, let's just see,

um,

and there's a late type where the Americans were discuss what court

discussing, who they wanted to be as the new president in the Ukraine

once they cou had been completed.

So that's all on tape as well.

And, and that basically the opposition that they used to topple the government

in the CU, um, is a far right and openly Nazi, or like there's some ugly

characters in this Ukrainian government.

And, um, they've been incorporated into the Ukrainian armed forces, uh,

the same armed forces that the U S has now given $2.5 billion to, and,

um, plenty of human rights abuses.

And, um, I cried in my end bit.

I've already talked about, and

essentially I've talked about that.

There's no way the U S would tolerate what's happened to.

The Russia, if it was happening on the U S soil.

And let me just get to, I've got a couple more, that'll be in the show notes.

I realize I'm going a bit over time and it's probably starting to tax

you, but I just wanted to talk about, um, the shamelessness of America.

Um, uh,

secretary of state is on January 13, secretary of state, Anthony Blinken

said quite one country does not have the right to dictate the policies of

another what a tale that country with him at my associate one country does

not have the right to exert a sphere of influence, but notion should be

relegated to the dustbin of history.

Just so fucking shameless.

Um, let me just get onto, oh, the other thing of course, is that.

There's a gas pipeline.

The Russians are supplying Germany with gas Vajra pipeline and the Americans.

One of the reasons for stirring up this trouble is basically to say to

the Germans, you can't trust Russia to supply gas through that pipeline.

We could be at war with these guys, you know what you need?

Do you need to buy gas from us?

Cause all USA, like there's a clear incentive for the S to cause havoc

with Russia so that they can cruel the deal where Russia is selling

gas, Vara plot, Von to Germany.

And, uh, um, and yeah, and so Ted Cruz, uh, and others assigned to the Germans.

You need to buy your Amir or your gas via boats from us.

Start getting your ports ready.

Um, I'll just finish with Matt tie AB he's a very good rider.

And, um, uh, I think he's actually Russian background, but he

writes a whole bunch of things.

He talking about America here and he's an American, um, our plan with

every foreign country that falls into Albert Elbert is the same.

We ride in as save is throwing lines in all directions to settle

debts, often dead side to us.

Then let it be now on the country's affairs will henceforth be run through

our advocacy instead of devising individual policies, we go through

identical processes of receiving groups of local politicians seeking our backing.

We throw our weight behind the courtiers.

We like best the winning supplicants are usually Western

educated speak great English.