I’m joined by Silvia, someone I worked with a few years ago during her work-life redesign — and what I love about this conversation is how grounded it is in real decisions, not big declarations.
Silvia didn’t chase a “perfect job.” Instead, she got clear on what actually mattered to her in midlife: time, the people she works with, and the freedom to keep adjusting as life changes.
We talk about choosing a three-day workweek, why work environment became a non-negotiable baseline for her, and what happens when you stop expecting work to have a final destination.
This isn’t a story about burning everything down or finding your one true calling. It’s about designing work that gives you enough energy, money, and time to support the life you care about — now, and in the decade ahead.
Curious what joy at work could look like for you?
Explore all of my programs at 👉 https://www.midlifeunstuck.com/work-with-me
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Hi, I'm Lucia Knight and this is the Joy At Work Podcast.
Lucia Knight:Today I'm joined by one of my former clients, someone who, like so many
Lucia Knight:of us, had a moment of weight.
Lucia Knight:Is this what work is supposed to feel like?
Lucia Knight:And instead of brushing it off and cracking on, they paused and they chose
Lucia Knight:to design their work life differently.
Lucia Knight:I've asked each guest to share the three most important insights they
Lucia Knight:learned about their future work life that they never ever want to forget.
Lucia Knight:And these aren't just light reflections.
Lucia Knight:They're the result of three, six, or 12 months of deep work together, and now
Lucia Knight:they're in a position to capture those timeless notes to their future selves.
Lucia Knight:For some saying yes to my invitation, took a little bravery.
Lucia Knight:A lot of what I call powerful vulnerability.
Lucia Knight:Some had to dig deep because they really value their privacy.
Lucia Knight:Some said yes because they understood the potential power of having a
Lucia Knight:touch point to return to every year.
Lucia Knight:But mostly they said yes as an act of kindness gifted to me and to you.
Lucia Knight:Let's dive in.
Lucia Knight:So Silvia, I'm so curious, what is the number one thing about your future work
Lucia Knight:life that you never ever want to forget?
Silvia Rossi:Yeah, great question.
Silvia Rossi:It's time.
Silvia Rossi:Time to do these things I love.
Silvia Rossi:Time to think and prepare.
Silvia Rossi:I like planning.
Silvia Rossi:I like to prepare things before moving.
Silvia Rossi:So for me, being time rich is very precious and also have time to dedicate to
Silvia Rossi:my relations and to have the right balance at this time of my life midlife looking
Silvia Rossi:10 years from my retirement probably.
Silvia Rossi:Time will always be a factor in choosing what I do.
Silvia Rossi:And recently I've decided to go three days a week to take
Silvia Rossi:a job that is a part-time job.
Silvia Rossi:It is paid enough to, being able to support myself and
Silvia Rossi:my family for three days.
Silvia Rossi:And that will leave me time to dedicate to other activities that
Silvia Rossi:I've started in the meantime.
Silvia Rossi:And since we've done the fierce emporium together, that was probably
Silvia Rossi:can't remember, 4, 3, 4 years ago.
Lucia Knight:Something like that.
Silvia Rossi:Yeah.
Silvia Rossi:And it was really pivotal.
Silvia Rossi:Since then I've took on a job that really ticked all the boxes we have identified
Silvia Rossi:through the course, and now I'm changing again to, to free up a bit more time.
Lucia Knight:Lovely.
Lucia Knight:And it's really lovely that you said that.
Lucia Knight:'cause sometimes people.
Lucia Knight:Come to work together expecting one big change, but actually it's
Lucia Knight:likely over a decade long period that there will be multiple change.
Lucia Knight:So that's why it's really important for you to make sure that time is some
Lucia Knight:how precious and you find a way to do it to get paid enough to support you
Lucia Knight:and your family and do all the fun things, but in a three day work week.
Lucia Knight:Oh, so fantastic.
Lucia Knight:Thank you.
Lucia Knight:Okay, so what else?
Lucia Knight:What's the second thing about your future work life that you
Lucia Knight:never, ever want to forget?
Silvia Rossi:Yeah.
Silvia Rossi:My work environment, the people I work with are very important to me.
Silvia Rossi:People who I know, I like and that they respect and value my skills.
Silvia Rossi:That is a baseline for me.
Silvia Rossi:Kryptonite for me is being in an environment that doesn't support this
Silvia Rossi:kind of quality and relationships.
Silvia Rossi:So this is really important and my current job, this three days a week,
Silvia Rossi:I'm going back to a team that is really supportive and I've been known and
Silvia Rossi:worked with and are welcoming me back.
Silvia Rossi:So it's, it is, it's great.
Silvia Rossi:It's great to come back to them.
Lucia Knight:So what difference does it make when you work within a team?
Lucia Knight:And respect them and they know and respect and value your skills.
Lucia Knight:What difference does that make to the quality of your work
Lucia Knight:or to how you feel at work?
Silvia Rossi:yeah, I think for giving the best to a job, I need to feel that.
Silvia Rossi:Calm and nourishment in a work environment.
Silvia Rossi:That will also make me perform under pressure in a very different way.
Silvia Rossi:And give me the strength and confidence, to feel that I can do anything.
Silvia Rossi:The mutual support for me is the most important thing.
Silvia Rossi:And if that is, lack in, in a work environment is really impossible
Silvia Rossi:really feel at ease and and do my job.
Lucia Knight:And that seems critical for you.
Lucia Knight:I think it is somewhat important to all of us, but you figured
Lucia Knight:out that was absolutely critical.
Lucia Knight:It was your baseline.
Lucia Knight:And when it wasn't in existence at exactly the right level you needed
Lucia Knight:to be, it just doesn't work for you.
Silvia Rossi:Yeah.
Lucia Knight:Lovely.
Lucia Knight:Okay.
Lucia Knight:Dying to know what is the final thing that you would love to remember
Lucia Knight:for the rest of your work life?
Silvia Rossi:Yeah.
Silvia Rossi:I think I want to remember that there's no, and at least in my case,
Silvia Rossi:probably there's no final destination.
Silvia Rossi:But the important thing is movement and do experiments.
Silvia Rossi:And the freedom to do that is one of my biggest values.
Silvia Rossi:Together with time, this means that I can find work that is good for me.
Silvia Rossi:Give me the confidence to do that.
Silvia Rossi:And as long as it gives me enough energy, money, and time, it might not
Silvia Rossi:be the work I might love most, but is what allows me and support me to do the
Silvia Rossi:things I love with the people I love.
Silvia Rossi:So that is probably the most important and having fun in
Silvia Rossi:doing it is the greatest thing.
Lucia Knight:having fun.
Lucia Knight:Okay, so what, how would I notice that if Silvia was experiencing joy at work?
Lucia Knight:What would I see you doing, saying being, how would I see this?
Silvia Rossi:You will see a relaxed Silvia.
Silvia Rossi:Very communicative smiley and happy and really, at ease and
Silvia Rossi:able to be creative and yeah.
Silvia Rossi:I'm very happy to talk and to share with people.
Silvia Rossi:This is my desire really in work, creativity and communication.
Silvia Rossi:I think you probably will see that person.
Lucia Knight:Silvia and I work together on the six week work life redesign
Lucia Knight:program called The Fierce Emporium.
Lucia Knight:Check out the episode notes to get details of the three programs I offer
Lucia Knight:so you can choose the right one to fit your appetite for change, your
Lucia Knight:desire for speed of change, and of course your budget so that you can
Lucia Knight:find the joy at work that you deserve.