Megan Tzanoukakis started her career in accounting, but was ready for change. Opportunity came her way through Sussex IM. However, the position was not in the accounting field. She started out in Operations and is now the Vice President of Supply Chain.

Megan talks to Brad & Steve about change, how the generations need to work together and understand each other, the future of manufacturing and recycling in the manufacturing industry.

Episode Highlights

06:00 - Megan's love of operations and finding better faster ways to do things.

07:20 - Why the younger generations can't come into a company and just think they can change things. They need to understand why things are done a certain way.

15:45 - Blue Collar businesses need to work closely with high schools so they can tap into the talent and expose the next generation to the possibilities of manufacturing as a career path.

22:20 - The push for recycled material and the future of chemical recycling.

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Megan Tzanoukakis

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welcome back to the show brand heard of blue color b s coming at you

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with a heavy on the b s today

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how are you doing

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how you doing

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a fantastic friday afternoon here in the blue color b s studios and snow is

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coming it's the middle of october and there was snow up north there was an

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inch of snow at one of my clients facilities up around superior he's like

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not excited but

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right yeah and tomorrow morning when we see off it's supposed to be thirty three

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not doing that so

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yea

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brad who do we have on the show today

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so today we have with us

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one of the people that i've gotten to know over the last three to five

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years or so through the local community that we live in in sussex here is

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the vice president f supply chain is probably one of our largest local employers um

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sussex i am injection moulding it's been different names different things that's a great company

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that supports our community i'm going to butcher the name because there's this tea in

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front

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he

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of her name that we're going to ignore so we're gonna try it we're gonna

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try it megan megan zanacoccis close

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good job brad

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can do it

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i am really depressed

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you can do

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yeah

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you can do it

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there's that

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welcome

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of it and

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megan

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just doesn't do any good yeah

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something

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well for you passed the first test brad so

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perfect

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thank you

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now

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thanks

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we know

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for having me on

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yeah

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the show

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now we know your

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yeah

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test as we talked about before recording your test is to outdo paul giles so

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be

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on your

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that is very hard to live up to i don't know if i don't know

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if i can do it but

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i'm confident

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give

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you

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it a good try

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i know you can you're much smarter than he is

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i didn't

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then with zingers with people aren't

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here that's a great

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hey

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that's

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past

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great

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uh

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guest of the show

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so

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paul

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as a past

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before

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guest

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of the show it's okay

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yeah beautiful

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right

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friend

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so mean before we

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ah

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get into the before we get into the show let's just quickly identify which generation

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do you fit in with

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so i identify as a millennial as everyone will tell me i am definitely a

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millennial

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yeah

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yeah

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told often you are a millennial

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yeah

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i know

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yeah

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yeah

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to

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and why do you

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that's

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why

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awesome

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do you think they do that

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well i think it's my lack of patients for things

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oh yah

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i need to continuously

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improve a lot the i love to use technology

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ah

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stream line to make things better i also look a lot younger than i actually

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am so i might be called gen d at some point though okay

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it it has

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ah

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happened but

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oh

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fine with me

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yeah that's awesome

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yeah so making things better

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that's awesome

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using technology how has that impacted your you know your career path into your supply

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chain world as well as even within your own organization right being the millennial female

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leader inside your organization how has that journey been for you

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yeah so my journey started actually

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i

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i went to college for accounting so brand knows i love my spread sheets um

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yeah

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and that's really the path that i thought i would take

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oh

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for my entire life as i worked in the big four public accounting for four

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years i travelled i audited i worked very long hours and i learned a lot

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but at some

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yeah

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point you know i knew that i couldn't i couldn't do that forever and so

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my father is actually one of the owners of sussex i am and he approached

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me after i had been in public accounting for a while and said if you

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want to come into manufacturing i have a job for you um and i thought

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it would be in accounting you know what might

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surprise

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agree with it yeah and

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yeah

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and he says no i want

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yeah

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you to be in manufacturing scheduling

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and i said i don't even know what that is

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it's numbers

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so

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in a

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different format that's all

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um so i showed up the first day in dress pants

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okay

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and foreign heels walking the shop floor

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yeah

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having absolutely no idea what i got myself into

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thanks dad

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like

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thanks for letting me know

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yeah it was it was eye opening

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oh

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i had always loved manufacturing when

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yes

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i was in when i was in accounting and auditing i audited manufacturing companies and

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i went to physical inventories

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yeah

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and i learned about all these different companies in hell i do things and it

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was a really good crash coursing and the accounting side of manufacturing dark side of

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operations and manufacturing

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ye

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was very new to me

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the

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um

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dark side

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is the dark side and i love it

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oh

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i love it i have people that

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it

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call clients dilate you just love the chaos

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yeah

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i'm like i do

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yeah

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i thrive on the chaos i thrive on making things better and continuously improving and

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finding better faster ways to to do the job

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yeah

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no no

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um

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no

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and

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no no mean you get slow down that's the way we've always done it

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it

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yes

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just

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exactly

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for those that can't see the anger

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waiting

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ah

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more

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for those that can't see the anger coming

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ah

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out of her face right now

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yeah

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in her ears there's like steam coming out going

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so

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oh

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for for my first several years here i just soaked in those

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yeah

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words right i learned i understood our processes and the longer i was here the

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more i could methodically understand like okay this is why we do it i understand

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why it doesn't mean it's the best way right so but i do think there

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is a as milennials and gen s you can't just come in blazing with i

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want to fix all these problems right

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right

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there is a rhyme or reason why things have been done that way you have

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to step back and understand that and say okay i get it now can we

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use the system two solve that problem right to make it faster to make it

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more efficient but

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yeah

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if you don't understand where we came from and how we got there it's really

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hard to make those changes and have people accept them

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s really great advice for somebody as young as you are oh yeah

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i've come up to a lot of i mean

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oh

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i've made mistakes let's not say

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oh

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i happened

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we've all made mistakes trust me and

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right

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you and i i've made lots of mistakes

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right right

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yeah

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every day

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but i learned from them

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yeah

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right and i know the people and i know i know how much they can

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handle as far as change is concerned in a certain period of time but we

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have come a very long way and we have a lot a lot further to

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go but we are making a lot of progress which is really exciting and it

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makes coming to work really fun

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that's awesome

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very cool so how have

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yeh

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so being we would say the younger of the of the groups and you focus

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on continuous improvement how would you say the change was met when you first started

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versus how it's going now you've introduced change

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yeah it was when i first started i've been here about eight years it was

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very difficult one of my co workers will will say it was like one person

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waving the white flag and then we had two people waving the white flag and

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then three people and it's really hard to change when there's not as many people

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on your side right not that there's sides but not as many people

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embracing it and helping you you can't do it alone it's teamwork it's collaboration

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right

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so over the years

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her

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we've hired a lot of new people that have that continuous improvement mindset that have

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come from other moulders in the area that have used our rope software and and

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some of like the two s that we already have they've used been using

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yeah

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them and use them better so we've been able to use that knowledge to improve

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our organization and grow

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yeah

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our or core group of people who are really trying to implement change so that

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it's not just one person because it can't you can't do it you can't

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no

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right

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no no it

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gets really tired tiring

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yeah

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and it gets really

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ah

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frustrating and it just that's part of the reason why my hair isn't where it

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is anymore either yeah oh

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yeah

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no you can't do it alone

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yeah

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like it's like your family you it takes a village

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yeah

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you all have

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right

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to be rowing in the same direction and we are we are there and just

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we just keep rolling every day so

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cool so when you are starting out with the with the changes because we're a

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generational show so we're going to ask this question of was there a specific genera

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tion that you would meet

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yeah

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that would be more resistant to change you first started out

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yeah i mean all of the boomers are always resistant to change

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oh

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and they will tell you this is

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right

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they will

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yeah

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tell you they're not that's the funniest

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yes

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yes

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part

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they will

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they will tell me

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yes

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i really want to

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oh

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ah

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change but and then they'll give all their reasons why right and that's but that's

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why i go back to there's a reason why they've been doing things that way

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for thirty years right

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yeah

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thirty years ago it wasn't grong it was probably the best way to do things

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we just weren't as focus as a culture on changing things or improving them on

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a regular basis so they didn't see the extent of change and the the amount

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of change that kind of our generation is throwing on them all at once

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yeah

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no

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right

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so i think i think milennials are more adapt and flexible to change just because

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we grew up with a lot of change and we are okay with it so

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but i understand where they're

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right

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coming from

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this is

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oh

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this

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so

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is a really great idea megan however why don't you have bob do that instead

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of me could you do that because i really like what i'm doing let's just

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do it this way one last time we'll

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do

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do it this way and then we'll make that change later one last time just

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one last time we'll do it this way

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yeah

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yes

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that that is hard that's

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ah

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a

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yeah

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yeah

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that becomes very difficult right and i think the that's kind of where you can't

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be one person

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right

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right

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it's a team and everyone on the team is going to migrate to this no

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new way of doing things there's always going to be those outliers but most of

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the time they will come around once they understand the value of the change and

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they understand that it's not this isn't just more work for me there's a reason

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and it's

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ah

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all in how it's presented right if you don't present it if you don't tell

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them why

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yes

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we're doing it or what the benefit is or how it can help them it

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makes them a lot it's much harder to buy in i would feel the same

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way if someone did that to me so you got to present it in the

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right way

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on a spread sheet

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no

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yeah

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oh

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that's the one thing

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sir

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praties are not

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oh

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good for

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that's a power point

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oh

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and our discussion

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oh

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so i

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you heard it from me do not cure everything

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okay we're gonna hold you that

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oh

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yeah

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yeah

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m

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uh

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man didn't know

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ah

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as you guys have

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yeah

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grown and you and the business has grown and you've gone through changes over the

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last i mean ship i've been out here in this area for twenty some years

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and that organization has changed dramatically over those twenty years and you've only been there

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you've been part of that eight how or what are you doing to bring in

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the gens kids that twenty five and younger crowd how are you guys attracting and

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retaining or what what tactics are you using that are successful that you can share

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with our audience and what things have you tried just didn't work and it was

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a complete waste of time and money

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yeah so that is a really hard question because we're still

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we do on this highly

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trying to

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highly

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be

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highly

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it's

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powerful journalistic type show here that we have

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oh

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now

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yeah

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i wish

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tens

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someone

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of

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would

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people

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give

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are

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me the

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out there

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seat

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wondering what that answer is going to be

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yeah i mean we

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oh

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um have

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oh

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just been discussing getting in much you know

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yeah

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closer contact with the local schools because

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to

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one

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one

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thing that gens

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i

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i really like about gens is that they don't

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don't oh

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all just want to go to college because they've been told they need to go

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to college and that is huge because

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because

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in my

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oh

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generation in the millennials we were all i mean everyone

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every one

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i know we just went to college it

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and

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didn't

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go

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matter if you

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and

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knew

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got your

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it

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masters

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yeah i mean and you wrecked up all this debt for career you didn't even

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know what you were going into right or something that didn't necessarily need that four

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year degree so gens is much more logical and they're thinking about what do i

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really want to do if i don't really want to need to go to college

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right now i'm not going to i'm going to work or i'm going o do

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a trade or something or get my come any to pay for that extra schooling

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um instead

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yeah

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of incurring that debt myself so that is really it important for the future of

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manufacturing

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huh

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um and we are going to be working

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yeah

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closer with the technical like the tech ed and the robotic and those groups within

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the local high schools because we have a lot of automation and robotics on our

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shop floor which are very good paying jobs and hands on and if we can

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get those kids into our facility to see what we're doing earlier

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ye

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in their lives i think it will really to fit them and us mutually to

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to just talk to those kids earlier and have them understanding what we're doing manufacturing

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it's not dirty it's not it's not what you think of it it's very technical

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it's very scientific and we made cool stuff so

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he

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it

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makes some really cool

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we

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stuff

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know that until you come here

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right

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see oh

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ah

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m lids

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yeah oh

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yeah i mean it's

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yeah

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all consumer products you would see

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yeah

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out there in the world and you have no idea that they're

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m

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made in sussex wisconsin pretty neat

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m m

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hm

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it is very cool when

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oh

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the first time i saw your display at the chamber office and i saw all

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the things that were on there and the first time i was in the conference

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room with looking at all the cosmetic stuff and cosmetic cases all those other things

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like never would have guessed coming

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oh

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yeah

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up because because i don't when you drive by you don't see all the things

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you don't see how big the building is you just see the front entrance sort

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of and like okay oh this is all coming out

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yeah

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of here very very cool

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yeah we're tucked we're tucked away behind a lot of

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yeah

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trees and foliage you never know you never know how big

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yeah

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we are

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right

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that's okay though we like we like to be a little under the radar sometimes

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um m so you know kind

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oh

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of going back to that way we've always done it scenario right so you've come

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into the organization i spent eight years had to go through those boomers to get

herda]: 00:17:44

them to understand what's got to happen now of a sudden this twenty five year

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old twenty two year old comes in and says hey megan why are you doing

herda]: 00:17:56

it

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oh

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this way how are how are you going to take that on and react and

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deal with that because it's the next thing that's coming through um m

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hm

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to face

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ah

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oh

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yeah

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so

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oh

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i have i have had that

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yes

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happen and i've been like we're not going to do that we tried that and

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it didn't work and i stabbed myself

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yeah

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and i'm

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ah

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like oh my god

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ah

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ah

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shand i sound like my

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like

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father

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i

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h

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do

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yes

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damn it

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it has happened

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a

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several times and i will stop

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oh

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myself and be like i am not that person if you have an idea

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yeah

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i would love to hear it

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yeah

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yeah

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just not right

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yeah

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now

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well and

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yeah

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you know what i don't

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oh

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i don't

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yeah

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have a problem with if you have a suggestion for a better way to do

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something

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my

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or an improvement

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oh

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i'm all for it my problem is that i've been told this several times

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ah

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i'm not good at delegating

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really

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so someone comes to me with a problem

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uh

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i will take

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uh

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it on and i will do it and the reason why i say that to

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them is because i'm essentially like they'll come to with an idea and then it's

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my problem so if somebody else has an awesome idea and they want to do

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it have at it but i can't take on those

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oh

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projects anymore um because it used to be my job that's all i would do

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and i loved it and it's hard to it's hard to not do that i

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am not that person i a problem solver i c a problem i want to

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fix it

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yah

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and it is that

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yes

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is hard for me so

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ah

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i've had to really restrain myself from from solving

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yeah

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everybody else's problems if they want to do it have ad it you know

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nice

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i'll be here to support you and guide you but i just can't i can't

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do it all

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i've raised enough white flag that

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oh

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i can't do it any more you

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i

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oh

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mean it's not to say i won't help and i'm not still doing that it's

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just no at some point people have great ideas and i love to hear them

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um at some point i can't just do them all by myself

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correct

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that's why we have a team that's why we have a group of people that

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were mentoring and bringing up and learning so they can continuously improve in solve those

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problems and we have we have a very good team here oh yeah proud of

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them

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very cool what would you say to any millennial that millennial or gens that's looking

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um at blue color work what advice would you give them support there to support

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their interest yeah

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i would say to not judge a book by its cover so manufacturing plastics just

doyle]: 00:21:01

yeah

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doesn't get the best reputation right for whatever

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right

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reason it's dirty

herda]: 00:21:06

oh

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it's not good for the environment what have you right

herda]: 00:21:08

oh

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m

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and to really come into a company and see the complexity of what we're doing

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we're making products in the united states for the united states and we are we

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are a core piller and the g d p of the united states we're providing

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jobs for four hundred plus employes here in sussex i mean we are very important

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to the economy and we're making something tangible i can see i can walk out

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to the shop floor and i can i can see it go from pellet into

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the machine into a plastic part that's going to be on a store shelf or

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in your home some day and there is nothing cooler than doing that or you

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know my dad taking us to wall

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yes

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greens and showing us the compacts that he made or he designed

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oh

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twenty years ago

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uh

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like

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uh

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you had

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yeah

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so much

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yeah

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pride in that and it gave me and my siblings that same pride um and

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it's it's just really cool and there's not a lot of a lot of jobs

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you're not don't get this tangible feeling of like i made this i i did

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something to make this

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yeah

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um that's that's the best part and i think until you're in manufacturing you just

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you don't see that side of it oh

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rightly

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it's really fun

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yes there is nothing better than

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oh

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then seeing something start as one thing that nobody can in vision and shows up

herda]: 00:22:43

as something else right you had made a comment about you know it's not dark

herda]: 00:22:47

not you know he dark dirty dangerous but you also made something about not good

herda]: 00:22:50

for the environment

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m

herda]: 00:22:52

maybe you know this answer maybe you don't but what since you are in a

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plastic organization what are you

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how

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seeing

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do you

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in your industry for the the ability to

doyle]: 00:23:04

oh

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find recycled materials be able to make

doyle]: 00:23:08

oh

herda]: 00:23:08

new products from as well as what

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yeah

herda]: 00:23:10

are you doing to take your flash and other things to potentially be recycled or

herda]: 00:23:15

repurposed or be used within the facility or turned into few or what are you

herda]: 00:23:19

guys doing in your space to facilitate that

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hm yeah so there's a couple of different things so obviously there's a big push

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from a lot of our customers to use recycled material

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yeah

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right whether it's post consumer recycled or post industrial recycle material within there products the

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issue with that sometimes can be that every lot of material is different from a

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processing

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m

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perspective if you want perfect parts that have no

doyle]: 00:23:53

yeah

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cosmetic um you know issues

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right

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that they process perfectly they have very tight tolerances for quality that can be very

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difficult with recycle material there's also not a lot of it in the world

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right

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know i mean it's it's a nitch area right now and

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oh

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there's just you're not going to find millions and millions nd pounds of it because

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the infrastructure is not there or for the recytling um so that's so that's one

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piece of it the second piece of it is that m

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a

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chemical recycling is kind of the next wave over cycling where

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hm

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they would be able to take or scrap your re grind that sort of thing

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or a or plastic parts that would go into a land fill and chemically recycled

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them back to the virgin pellet

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wow

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that is that is

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mhm

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coming but it will be many years

doyle]: 00:24:49

oh

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because the infrastructure again is not there i mean you need these massive companies to

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be able to fineries to be able to do that but but it's coming it

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will just be a while right now

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yeah

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we use as we grind up all of our

doyle]: 00:25:06

it

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re grind and use it back into our molding process as long as the process

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is capable and the customer allows it and then anything else is sold to m

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companies that by re grind and

doyle]: 00:25:20

ye

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turn it into two other things so nothing goes into a land fill from the

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from the grinding perspective

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very cool

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um so it is it's a circular it's becoming more circular and we our company

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we are endurable goods we do very very very little single use plastic

herda]: 00:25:41

okay

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um and that's and that's something we

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oh

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when we're looking for new customers

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oh

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that's something we prioritize is durable

herda]: 00:25:49

you're

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good

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not in so you're not doing the knives and forks and spoons for your plastic

herda]: 00:25:53

nice forks

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no

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moon type stuff

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no

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yeah

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no not

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new

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unless unless they can

herda]: 00:25:59

solo

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be

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cup

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a

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solo cups no

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oh

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poslabout

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yeah

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something yeah

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so so

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athos

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so megan how does a young person or even an older person that says hey

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you know what this is pretty cool this sounds good you guys are doing what

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you need to do for the environment you're growing doing these things how would somebody

herda]: 00:26:17

get a hold of you or sussex i am

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oh

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if they have interest in talking more or finding

doyle]: 00:26:22

oh

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out what opportunities might exist there

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yeah so i would say email me

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no

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um look me up and linked in

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so what would

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we

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that

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have him

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what would that email be because this is a we're seeing each other

tzanoukakis]: 00:26:37

you want

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with

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me

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the

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to

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folks

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spell out my email for you

herda]: 00:26:40

the folk that are listening can't see what we see

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yeah

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it's an audio

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okay

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show

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want me you want me to

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yeah

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spell it out for you

herda]: 00:26:49

well or we can say hey you know we'll put it in the show notes

herda]: 00:26:52

how about that because it is it is a

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yeah

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lot of letters

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put it in the show up because if i spell it for you people are

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just going to

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yeah

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it's going to get messed up

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it is

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oh

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but i would say if someone's interested

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ah

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email me i love to chat i'm really big on on especially more women in

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the manufacturing

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yes

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industry there are not enough of us and the ones that are the ones we

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have are amazing and we just need more of them

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completely

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so

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agree

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i'd love to chat any time

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yes olly agree there

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all

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yeah

herda]: 00:27:26

right so this wasn't so bad was was it pushing you outside your comfort

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:30

no

herda]: 00:27:31

one

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:31

this one's fun

herda]: 00:27:32

this was fun so you'd come

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:33

i

herda]: 00:27:33

back

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:33

liked

herda]: 00:27:33

again

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:33

it sure as long as you want me

herda]: 00:27:38

so yeah what would be great is to get you and dad on the same

herda]: 00:27:41

thing will talk about some fun stuff

doyle]: 00:27:44

yea

herda]: 00:27:45

talk about

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:45

oh

herda]: 00:27:46

talk about vacation we'll talk about

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:48

oh

herda]: 00:27:48

you know

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:49

a

herda]: 00:27:49

p t o and all those fun things

doyle]: 00:27:50

yeah

herda]: 00:27:50

that dad probably not excited about

tzanoukakis]: 00:27:55

hey i'm sure he would be on i think he would be open to it

herda]: 00:27:57

i think it would be too that's why i think it would be fun so

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:01

ah i

herda]: 00:28:01

now

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:01

think

herda]: 00:28:01

that you know how painless

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:02

i think he

herda]: 00:28:02

it is we can make that happen all right

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:05

yeah this was fun

herda]: 00:28:06

awesome

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:07

be down for that

herda]: 00:28:08

all right cool you

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:09

we

herda]: 00:28:09

have a great rest of your week and we will talk to you

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:12

thank

herda]: 00:28:12

soon

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:12

you

herda]: 00:28:12

megan

doyle]: 00:28:13

oh

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:14

you to thanks guys have a nice weekend

doyle]: 00:28:15

yes

herda]: 00:28:15

thanks

tzanoukakis]: 00:28:17

i

herda]: 00:28:19

and