Is this the Beginning of the End for Live Service Games?!? ft. Alec Taub
What's up and Welcome to another episode of The Single Player Experience Podcast. In this episode Sebastion is joined by Alec Taub to talk about the current state of Live service games, some video games news, and Alec is going to attempt the ProNerd Trivia Challenge.
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What's up, everyone?
Welcome to the Single Player Experience,
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As always, I'm your host, Sebastian
Mauldin, and joining me today is
an absolute rock star, an absolute
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been defeated in Mario Kart.
He is the master of all things destiny.
He is the wonderful individual that has
conquered the latest Star Trek convention.
In Las Vegas.
Ladies and gentlemen, my guest
today is none other than Alec.
Alec, how you doing today?
I am fantastic.
Thank you for that intro.
Man, I told you I'm fired up today.
I'm so excited to have you on the show.
Alec, you know, like this, it's, I
know you've been on the show several
different times now, but every time
you're on, it's a, it's a vibe, it's
an energy and I'm, I'm all here for it.
Hey, I'm happy to bring
the vibe and the energy.
So Alec, are you doing well today?
Yeah, I'm doing pretty well.
You know, I, uh, got to watch
the, or I've been catching up
slowly on strange new world.
So it's been nice to be able to
do that today as well as get some
new job applications out there.
So, you know, fun times.
Yeah, for sure.
Alec, you know, like, before we get
into all the video game stuff, like,
you're, there's a show that people have
been recommending to me, but like, I'm
not, they're not, they're kind of light
into sci fi, whereas I know you're
a sci fi, like, buff at this point.
Like, people have been recommending
this show called The Orville to me.
As a Star Trek person, is
this like, basically like, off
brand, like, Star Trek, or is
this like, an actual good show?
So from the people that I've talked to who
have watched it, that's what they've said.
Um, I have a friend who is a huge Trekkie.
A shout out to Mike.
Swears that the Auroville is maybe
some of the best Star Trek related
content that is out there right now.
Um, so definitely give it a whirl.
It's on my list.
If I could ever get through
my backlog of TV shows, I'm
going to eventually get there.
But it is hard.
It's hard to watch everything.
It really is.
So what's the top three shows
on your backlog right now?
So I, so about a month ago, I had started
rewatching The Next Gen, because I
hadn't watched, it's been probably 5 or
6 years since I've gone back through it.
So, that was on there, The Expanse
is another one, because I've heard
such great things about it, um.
My girlfriend and I had started a couple
episodes and again just hit the backlog.
And then, uh, the new season of Futurama.
So I've seen, I've seen
two episodes thus far.
I don't know if any more have come out
but it's, it's definitely on the list
of, uh, what I need to work through.
So as a guy who really enjoyed like
Futurama back in its initial run
and then like its rerun after they
after they decided to bring it back.
Do you feel like the first two
episodes of this new like this new
season like feels like the same
embodiment of what the the old show is?
Oh, a hundred percent.
It's yeah, it really hit
the nostalgia factor.
Um, and I love that they keep hammering
how many times that they've been canceled.
It's like classic Matt Groening.
So it's been, it's been wonderful
to, to have Futurama back.
So I know like, uh, most of the
original cast is back, but I have
to ask about my favorite character.
Did they bring back Dr.
Zoidberg is here.
Zoidberg is probably my favorite,
like, character in that era
of, like, TV, basically.
I quote Zoidberg on the daily,
especially when I complete any task.
I'm like, Hooray, I'm useful.
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
So, Alec, you know, it's always
a joy to have you on the show.
Let's get to a new topic of the
show and that's spicy takes.
Let's get spicy real quick, Alec.
So in this, in this like
segment of the show, I'm going
to ask you for a spicy take.
It can be video game related.
It could be all encompassing on life, but
this is a take that is, you know, some
might consider it a hot take, so to speak.
Do you, do you have one for me, Alec?
Do you need a moment to think about it?
I have a spicy take, but
I'm afraid to say it.
I wonder what it is.
I'm so curious.
So, my spicy take is that gaming
communities are, at the same time, one
of the best things, and also one of the
absolute worst things on planet Earth.
They are this interesting dichotomy
of people who find really cool things
in games, and they, you know, show you
new builds, or show you a bug that's
hilarious, you come across things, but
then you have the members of the community
who want the game to absolutely burn to
the ground, and are, you know, grabbing
their pitchforks, and are trying to rile
up the community as much as possible, and
it's, uh, it's, it's, This, it's so weird.
It's so weird to see both sides of the, to
see both sides of the aisle because it's
like, oh my God, it's the passion though,
you know, like, you know, we, we gravitate
and we find something passionate about it.
And I think people express passion
in so many different weird ways.
A hundred percent, like, uh, I know
that we're talking a little bit before
this, but yeah, like I was saying how
Destiny right now is in this really
weird spot with the community where
there are members of the community
who are trying to defend devs.
And then you have other members of the
community who think the devs are just
the worst people that have ever existed.
The clashes that are happening
are something to behold in comment
sections, uh, regardless of whether,
regardless of medium, like even on
their, uh, their community posts.
It's just people just, they
are, it's, it's Wyland.
I bet it is.
I bet it is.
You know, it's, you know, like, um,
here's like, I had an idea about
this and like me and a couple people
were talking about this like concept.
What if like we get to a future, there's
a game that comes out and like all of
its new features are all of its new
components like after the base game is out
are basically voted on by the community.
Like by the committee of like community
members and such that are the community
like they upvote like, Hey, like we are
going to nerf this character by like 20
percent like y'all for this and against
this we'll leave this up for like two days
and we'll see we'll come back to it if you
vote yes, that character has been nerfed.
Well, what kind of what kind of
world would we live in do you think
it'd be more peaceful you think
it'd be more pandemonium there.
It's really hard to say I think.
Like, that's one of the beauties of indie
developing, right, is because you are sort
of the sole developer of your product in
a lot of cases, especially outside of,
you know, distribution companies, then
it, because you are the creator, you can
really have that connection with fans and
fans can really influence those decisions
that you're making because there's
not all the red tape in between it.
But I mean, yeah.
There was a there's I think it's
an interesting discussion because
it's one of those things where
especially in the destiny community.
Like, I just don't think
people, especially depending
on the size of your audience.
It's impossible just to
make everybody happy.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, uh, there's a big problem right
now in destiny to PVP with, uh, uh.
Specifically, there's a subclass of
Titan called, uh, well, Arch Titan.
And the Arch Titan is dominating the
Crucible landscape so much that it's
really pushed the other classes out.
And so you have...
Very vocal part of the community who's
saying, Oh, they need to nerf this at all.
They need to nerf that.
No, they need to change this.
And then you have members who
are Titans who are like, well,
this is we're, we're good.
We're good right now.
So don't touch it.
Like, leave it.
Just let us have our fun.
And then maybe we can change it
down the road and the clashes
that are happening over it.
It's just hilarious to sort of watch
it all unfold all the time because
the arguments are always the same.
So that's right.
Yeah, and I, like, I think the voting
is good for sort of the majority of
the community, but you're always going
to have outliers of people who are
dissatisfied with one change or another.
Yeah, that's, you can't please everybody.
It's just that simple fact, right?
Yeah, yeah, and I think part
of it too, especially in games,
nerfing is so hard to do.
Um, I think you're...
It's such a dangerous line to walk,
because I think the only way that you
can sort of successfully nerf things
is bring everything up around it.
Um, because when you have one
item that's sort of dominating a
meta, it just sort of ruins the
experience for all of the other items.
So when you then nerf that one item
that people become really attached to,
it then causes all kinds of issues.
And so it's almost better to sort
of lift everything up as opposed to
nerfing, but then there's that whole
discussion of, okay, well, then what do
you buff and how much do you buff it?
And it's just.
It's all chaos.
It's all just chaos.
That's, that's, I don't know.
It's like, whatever you do, you just
can't please everybody at that point.
You're, you're damned if you do and you're
damned if you don't like there's, there's
really no in between on it, especially
for like something that's living,
breathing, like destiny to like, Oh yeah.
So that kind of brings me to an
interesting question like, which community
do you think is upset the most right now?
Do you feel like it's Destiny 2 or
because you're a part of that community?
Or like, do you feel like
it's the Diablo 4 community?
Like right now?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Uh, it's so hard to say.
I think Overwatch 2, they
have a claim to fame.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
I think there are so many communities
that have set up such high expectations.
And now I should say,
I don't want to defend.
certain decisions that have been
made across all three communities.
I think there are, I think
there's, there's wrongs on
both sides of every aisle.
Um, but yeah, it, it really is.
There are a lot of communities
right now who are not satisfied with
where, with where their favorite
games are heading, which I get.
Like, it's, you know, you spend as much
time and energy as you do into a game.
And then of course, when.
Changes are made to the
system that you're used to.
It's difficult to adjust to it.
Especially if you feel like
those changes are unjust.
So, so do you feel like we're entering
in a new era of live service games?
Like, do you feel like the, like,
are people being like tired or people
getting saturated on that, that market?
Yeah, I think we're reaching a point and
I've, I've had this discussion a lot with
my friends and destiny is I think a lot
of the outrage around destiny is people
have played destiny now for nine years.
Um, it's been a live
service game since what 20.
I'm trying to remember when destinyto came out, I think it was:
So they've been dealing with
a live service game in a
seasonal model since then.
You know, you have seasons that
deliver, and you have seasons that
don't deliver, and you have content that
people really like that got vaulted,
and you have content that people really
didn't like that's still in the game.
Um, and I think if you've played a game
that long, uh, and especially have put
in the hours that a lot of members of the
community end up putting in, because it's
one of those games where it's like, if you
start playing it, you can't put it down.
I think people are just sort
of fed up with every aspect of
it, whether it's PvP or PvE.
And I think, uh, the same goes for
a lot of these live service games,
is the longer these seasons seem to
go on, the more people seem to keep
playing it, the higher the expectations
are, and I think it's hard for
developers to raise those expectations.
And then on top of it, you know,
I think you can only play...
Uh, the same kind of content
for so long before you sort
to expect something different.
Um, which is not really the,
what I think game devs want.
I think they want to establish something
that players know and something that
they know how to create and have really
tried to perfect in terms of the system.
But then, you know, the communities
want to grow and do something different.
And I think it's hard for devs to...
Be able to switch gears like that.
So it's this really weird
dichotomy of burnout and devs.
I don't think quite knowing what to do.
So, so it's, here's a,
here's a weird thing.
Um, I want to ask you is like all
these live service games seem like
they, like the community is like
pitchforking they're up and they're
up in arms right now, but like.
Fortnite's not having that problem,
like, with their narrative or anything
like that, and I'm not, I don't play
Fortnite, so I can't, like, speak
personally to, like, I can't say the
community's not a hundred percent, like,
mad about something or anything like
that, but, like, publicly, at least,
it seems like no one is up in arms and
yelling at the rooftop, we need to shut
this thing down at this point, so I'm
like, why, why is Fortnite succeeding,
at least, like, from a community base,
like, perspective, whereas like these
other ones are really struggling.
Do you feel like it's the
constant drip of content?
I think it's probably the constant drip
of content, but I think it's also cost.
So in the case of Destiny, right, you have
a 60 base game for what was the Lightfall
expansion, and then you have the seasonal
pass and the dungeon pass, and All of
these passes that you're consistently
buying, plus all the vaulted content.
Um, So when you're purchasing all
this content, like, when you're ending
up having to spend something like
180, 200 on this game, you start to
be a bit more scrutinous with it.
And it is, you know, every three
months having to fork out what is
now, I think, 15, but then Bungie's
store isn't set up right, so you
end up spending 20 for a 15 product,
and it's just sort of a nightmare.
Um, I think, uh, I think it is cost,
uh, you know, in terms of Fortnite,
the only thing that I think that you
pay for in Fortnite is the cosmetics.
Yeah, I think you're right.
So, I mean, they have access
to new seasons and new content.
I know there's a seasonal pass model for
them, but that seasonal model is based
on, I think, Cosmetics, I don't know
if it determines access to the special
characters, like I know you can grab
Darth Vader and those kinds of things.
Um, but yeah, since I think it is more
cosmetic based, and the base game is
sort of free to play, I think most
people are generally happy with it.
I mean, you saw it with, uh, Warzone.
Uh, Warzone went through...
Their player drop off, because
they switched maps, which people
didn't like, they switched whole
systems for that, and then on top
of it they had a cheater issue.
But I remember, I remember before that
people loved it, um, because it gave
them everything that they really wanted
in terms of, uh, a free to play game
that didn't require you to have to
spend the money, as opposed to something
like Diablo or Destiny or, um, I don't
know about Overwatch either, but, uh,
yeah, I think it's, I think it's a
cost, a cost issue with expectations.
Okay, okay, I, I can see that.
So, here's a, here's the thing I wanted
to ask you based on all this information.
It's like, like, with reaching an
oversaturation point, like, Does this
make you worry for the like the future
for all these like you know live service
games because you do have like like
here let me list out some it's like you
have the suicide squad which kind of
got it was supposed to come out this
year and like the reception upon the
trip like the trailer was so terrible
that they moved into the next year you
had skull and bones which was been in
development hell for a very long time
now ubisoft is like rescheduled that
out for next year but at this point it
feels like it's being sent out to die and
they like PlayStation, like we had like
several different games, Knockout City
and all those, all those type of games,
just like unfortunately closed their
doors and no longer working on those.
And then you have like PlayStation
devoting 60 percent of like their
upcoming like budget, you know,
going towards live service models.
Like, do those kind of
feel like dead on arrival?
Do you feel like that's a good
initiative to have in this like
landscape we're in right now?
I'm like, I'm so confused.
I personally think that the issue with
a lot of these live service games is
they're just getting pushed too early.
I think a lot of AAA developers
are very quick to release games.
And I don't think that is a
fault of the developers as much
as it is boardroom members.
Um, but like Battlefield 2042 is
like the perfect example of...
The set expectation was this is this
battlefield supposed to play like
battlefield four and it's going to be
128 player maps and everything's going
to be wonderful and I, I bought the hype.
I've been a long time battlefield
player was really excited to play it
and then I fire it up and it was far
from anything that had been advertised.
I mean the environments
were Not detailed at all.
They were very lifeless.
There was very little cover.
It just felt like it was incomplete.
Um, and then in the course, in the
interviews that have come after that,
and the reports that have come after
that was members of the development
team at dice knew it was incomplete and
had been pushing back against the board
to, you know, get those dates extended.
But because of it.
You get what we had in Battlefield 2042,
and I think it sort of feels that way
with a lot of games that are coming out,
especially from AAA developers lately, is
you're getting, even though we're getting
games into our hands a lot quicker,
and that's been incredible, at the same
time, they still probably need more work.
And I think the expectation, especially
from games like Grand Theft Auto or
the Witcher or um, even Diablo, I
think they've set the bar so high
that when we are not finding games
that are coming out with that content,
like right off the bat, I think the,
especially for the cos point that has
gone up, I think a lot of consumers are
just so dissatisfied, especially when.
Then after you get, you pay in
the case of what I did, I paid a
hundred dollars for Battlefield 2042.
And then you get the whole, Oh, now
come by our season pass or, Oh, now
come by this or come by this cosmetic.
And you're just sitting there
going, what, why fix this?
I'm not going to give you more money.
Um, and so I think that's, that's
sort of the problem with the live
service games is that I think
they're falling into the pit of.
Uh, the sort of a multitude of reasons
of burnout plus underwhelming results.
And I think there's like,
you've talked about really an
oversaturation of a lot of game types.
I mean, how many battle royales
are on the market right now?
I'll tell you so many,
so many at this point.
And, and I definitely get the appeal.
Like I get the appeal of
companies wanting to do that.
I mean, they, those games make good
money, but at the same time, I think
consumers are starting to get to a
point where they're a little fed up.
With, with where their money is going.
And then, um, like.
You know, to add on to this component,
like with everyone making like with all
these companies making these live service
games with this, like the landscape
kind of shifting underneath their feet
as well as like, we're starting to
see like single player games like it
have this big renaissance right now,
like, yes, Zelda Tears of the Kingdom
selling like crazy Baldur's Gate 3
is taking over everything right now.
It is amazing to see it's like, yeah.
Baldur's Gate, like a game, like the game
that was put out during the summer where
we thought it was going to be the quiet
time before like Starfield came out, is
now like the biggest game in the world.
It's like the rock star that just rose
up and just put out this pop hit that
everyone can't stop singing at this point.
It is, it's a game that like so many
people probably, myself included,
had never played Baldur's Gate 2 or
Baldur's Gate 1 and this game is like
Life now, like this, like, it's, it's
here, it's like, it's the, it's the new
king that was promised, so to speak,
it's, it's so, it's so cool at the same
time to see all this, like, how do you
feel about, like, all the, the single
player renaissance just swooping in,
whereas, like, even amongst all the,
like, uncertainty with, like, the, the
multipliers, like, landscape right now?
Oh, I love it.
I mean, I am so, I, I grew up
in the whole single player game.
I mean, uh, whether it was the heck,
the original call of duties, I know
that they broke ground for multiplayer,
but the campaigns were so much fun.
Um, so I grew up on those, the original
halo campaigns, uh, elder scrolls,
oblivion, elder scrolls, Skyrim, the
original GTAs, like those original
campaigns were absolutely everything.
And so to be coming back around to
more of a single player focus game, I
think is really answering a lot of the.
things that people have
wanted in the market.
I think a lot of people, as we've sort
of just like noted, are a little fed up
with multiplayer games at the moment.
So to have something that is so
strictly single player, so narratively
focused, um, has been awesome.
Not to mention all of the reprises
that are going on as well.
I mean, we had, um.
Oh, what was it?
Oh, it's gonna drive me nuts.
Didn't come out this year.
Resident Evil 4!
It was just recently reprised and
people just absolutely adored it.
And again, it's a totally
single player focused game.
Um, so to see that...
MetroProm as well!
Yeah, Metro Prime as well.
And so to see those games sort of
shine again and to see really this
focus on coming back to these really
narratively focused really like gameplay
mechanic focus games without all of the
multiplayer matchmaking and everything
else involved is really awesome.
Yeah, it's a man it's it's crazy
like I don't know if I'm if I'm
a studio right now if I'm like,
I find out feel comfortable like
staying the course at this point,
like, I don't like, I don't know.
I'm like, I might shift.
I'm like, I might shift if I'm like
one or two years into development.
I'm like, can we can we make a
lot of this concept into a single
player experience at this point?
As are do we kind of like move, move and
keep doing what we've been doing at this?
Like, I don't get it.
I really don't.
I think that's the hardest
decision in the world right now.
Yeah, I think, and I think a big
part of it too is also IP focused.
I mean, you see it, Bethesda's
taking a big risk right now.
They have delayed Fallout developments.
They've delayed Elder Scrolls
developments for something that
is totally different and new.
Um, and so to...
Sort of forsake the, the fallout 76
route and then go for a totally single
player focused experience and something
like Starfield is so exciting to see.
And so I'm, I'm hoping that more companies
are willing to take that risk, that
they're willing to sort of put down
some of the more popular IPs and go for
something that's totally different from
everything that we're seeing right now.
I, I don't think like
give me a better example, but
I don't think in recent memory.
I can't remember any game having this
much pressure on it than Starfield like
Starfield feels like it has the weight
of it feels like it has the weight of
the empire of Xbox on it like because
of the the drought of their first party
exclusive lineup and the feel like the
I say what you will about like a like
Halo and everything like that that
game did not live up to expectations.
And then Redfall happened and then
like, Outside of, yeah, Red Ball
happened and then outside of Forza,
I'm like, they haven't really had
a big victory outside of that.
So it's, it's hard to think of
a game that has been this highly
publicized outside of cyberpunk.
Which again, another game that had
its own issues, but like, it's really
hard to, or I know, well, Zelda,
of course, was another extremely
highly publicized releases as any
Zelda releases, but yeah, I can't.
The very much the weight of Xbox
is gaming platform is, I think,
going to be very reliant on
whether Starfield can land or not.
And that's going to be, yeah,
that's what I was just like, it's
like, that's so much pressure.
It feels like you just like.
He, like, Xbox put all the chips
on the table in Las Vegas and
just said, let it roll, baby.
It just, like, let it roll.
Please be a son, baby.
I, I'm gonna make a prediction
that might not age well, but...
It's my decision to take!
I adore Bethesda games.
I absolutely love them.
But what is well known amongst
Bethesda games is they are buggy.
So I have a feeling that this
is going to be a very polarizing
release for a lot of folks.
I think there's going to be a lot
of people who are really happy
with it, who are like, this is
what I wanted out of a space
exploration RPG, and this is amazing.
And then you're going to have
people who are not as familiar
with the Bethesda IP who get on
there and go, what am I playing?
What am I playing?
Yeah, I was, I remember talking to
my brother once about, um, there was,
uh, with the original Skyrim release
for testing for internal testing,
they couldn't get Skyrim to run.
So they had to, they had to release
it on its test mode because that
was the only way it could run.
They could not run it in release mode.
And that's how Skyrim released.
Um, so based on those things.
Plus all of the Fallout 76, plus Elder
Scrolls Oblivion, plus the Fallout 4, I'm
like, this is gonna, it's gonna be a spicy
release to say the least, and I think, I
think overall, at like, at the end of the
day, kind of like Cyberpunk, despite the
bugs, it's gonna be an incredible game.
You're gonna get incredible narrative
storytelling, you're gonna get
incredible gameplay, but you're
also gonna get a lot of bugs.
I'm going to go the opposite for you,
like, I think it's, yeah, I think it's
going to be like, I think it's going
to be polarizing in the system where,
like, I think every, I think it's
going to be a polished experience.
Cause I don't think Xbox can afford a
buggy mess right now, but I, yeah, I,
so I, I think like that game's probably
done now, except for like just polishing,
polishing, polishing at this point.
But yeah, I think that.
It's going to, I think like it's
game is going to be pretty pristine.
I think that 30 frames per second thing
is going to affect a lot of people because
it's a shooter game for a lot of it.
And then I think like it being the fact
that you can explore a thousand planets.
I feel like a lot of those
planets are going to be lifeless
and have nothing to do on them.
And I feel like that is really
going to hamper a vast majority of
people's experience with the game.
Yeah, sort of the no
man's sky thing, Exactly.
I, I mean, I wouldn't doubt it.
I'm, it's gonna be really,
really fascinating to see how.
This releases, like, typically I'm
very quick to pre order Bethesda games,
but this one I'm like, I, I have been
burned so many times lately with pre
orders that I'm like, I'm just going
to let it release, maybe let it even
sit for a year, depending on how the
reviews are, and then come to it.
Because it usually, it seems like every
game that drops nowadays, especially from
AAA developers, unless it's good off the
bat, that it's like, come back in a year.
It's all polished up and fixed.
I think for the drama aspect, like,
for both sides of the fence, like,
the, like, for all the issues that you
listed out with Bethesda's history,
and then my theory, I'm like, this is
probably my most anticipated, like,
game this year, and I adore Spider Man.
I think Spider Man, like, Spider Man is
probably, like, the most Sebastian game
there probably is coming out this year.
It's just, like, The drama, the
tea, the mat, like the anticipation
for how good or bad or everything
in between Starfield is going to be
like, and how much is riding on it.
Like, I'm just a spectator at the casino.
Like, well, Xbox is shaking its
hand right now with the dice
and I'm like, Oh my goodness.
Are they going to go?
Oh, they're going to do it.
Like, Oh, like, like that
is how I feel right now.
Like, like, I think about it and
I like get excited because I'm
like, I need to know, like it is.
Uh, it is almost like a Game of
Thrones like cliffhanger level
of like, of like, Oh, snap.
If they fail at this, it is,
it's, it's not just Halo Infinite.
It feels like everything.
Like, it feels like, yeah, it feels
like this is the generation on the
line for Xbox and Oh, for sure.
So I'm like, I, that drama, that level of.
Of anticipation for me.
It's gotten to a point that fever
pitch, like it's the bowling
pot that is bowled over now.
I'm like, I need to know
how this is going to end.
Like I'm in it now.
So yeah, Starfield is Starfield
is my most anticipated game now.
I'm like, Oh, I need to
know, I need to know.
Oh, a hundred percent.
I mean, Xbox is in such a tough spot.
I mean, you have everything Nintendo
does that just seems to turn to
gold, and then all of the exclusive
Sony releases, like things like God
of War, which came out earlier this
year, which again, did not miss.
They are in a very tough spot,
especially after Halo Infinite.
Even though I do have some gripes
with that community as well,
but it's, it's interesting.
It's going to be really interesting to
see and I, I really hope for everybody
at Bethesda and Xbox that it lands
because I personally, again, love their
studio, love the work that they've done.
Really excited and really hope that
Starfield is that sci fi experience that
we all want, of being able to explore an
open world and have those narratives and
have the cool combat things and design
your own ship and bully the adoring fan.
Like, we always want those kinds of
aspects, but yeah, it's gonna be,
it's gonna be a very spicy September.
I, like, I know Game Pass is probably
going to, like, and completely, the
servers for Game Pass, they better, like,
up those because, like, they better,
like, they better up those because, like,
it is less than, as of this recording,
so, like, this is, we're August 10th
when we're recording this right now.
It is going to be September 6th when
Starfield officially releases and
They better be ready because like
the floodgates are going to be like
open for people who are interested
in this game to see if it's going
to succeed, fail for people who
just want to play a good video game.
Like that, there's going to be like a
wave of people like old school black
Friday, kind of like people rushing
through the gates of those servers.
It's yeah, I, I, I can't wait
to see what type of like.
Drama in ensues.
If this , if this, because it has
to be a game of the year contender.
It's like it's, yeah, it has to be, yeah.
Any, anything less than that
is considered like, yeah.
Like a misstep at this point.
This is sort of the perfect storm of an
enormous studio with high expectations.
An enormous platform
with high expectations.
And if it is anything less
than absolutely stellar.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Xbox fans are gonna be burning
down the gates, . Oh yeah.
They really are.
They really are, you know, like, and,
you know, as like the other Xbox studios
have to be like waited on bated breath
thinking to themselves like, please don't
let this fail because like, then that
wait, that wait, like the hope of the
new saviors like switches on to fable
like coming up and then like, can fable
be the the savior that was promised at
that point and it's like, yeah, it's
Starfield has so much riding on it.
It's so interesting.
And not only that, but especially
for those other studios.
If Starfield lands and lands well,
then people are interested in
whatever Microsoft has to sell.
So, for those other studios,
they need Starfield to succeed.
Because like you said, like either
the pressure falls on them, or
their sales are also going to tank.
Because their s They're going to be
somewhat reliant on whether Microsoft
can deliver a good product or not.
Um, because if Microsoft
can't, then it's, it's, yeah.
Then Xbox is going to be
very dead in the water.
Oh, this whole generation.
And it's, that's sad.
I hope, I hope for their sake
and also for mine, because I
really want this game to be good.
And not only that, but like the.
One of the great, uh, hilarities
of my time has been the, the whole
PlayStation versus Xbox versus
Nintendo versus, you know, PC debate.
And it's, and part of the enjoyment
of that though, is that you have so
many different platforms that have so
many different access to great items.
And so, you know.
Having that competition is healthy, but
at the same time, it's also really good
to be able to be like, Hey, you know what?
I want to go play a Bethesda product
or, Hey, you know, I want to go
play Spider Man and, and have those,
those games be good because they're
all trying to one up each other in
terms of, uh, where their games are.
And for us as consumers, it's great.
It really is.
This is magnificent.
Yeah, it's magnificent.
So, you know, I gotta ask you like.
I want to get to another, the
next topic of the show, because we
have a very interesting segment.
It's something, nothing, or everything.
I'm gonna read out a couple of news
stories, and you, Alec, are gonna tell
me if this is something worthwhile,
if this is everything, like the whole
existence of gaming is riding on this.
Like, this is a very important
story, or like, you know, this is
nothing at all, nothing of note.
So, like, Baldur's Gate, You know, I
want to start with like Baldur's Gate 3.
This game, it's already everything.
That is, that's so funny because
I, I, I'm already with you.
Like, it feels like it's just
everything at this point, but yeah.
So Baldur's Gate 3 had, had a very
interesting story, um, where basically.
It had, it had like saves that were bigger
than a lot of indie games out there like
the save files were bigger than a lot
of the indie games completely like, is
that something nothing or everything like
how, how, like, how cool and also like.
I guess you could say intimidating
that is for like a hard drive.
Yeah, I would say that's definitely, it's
definitely something, um, like, so to,
I've had this discussion a lot with people
because they ask me why are games so big?
And typically games are So big because you
have to so like if you develop a let's say
you develop a first person shooter for an
xbox game right xbox has such set hardware
that you know exactly what you're getting
you know exactly how every xbox well
Every Xbox, you know how every Xbox is
going to run for like the next five years.
So when you develop a game,
you're like, okay, cool.
I'm going to use these textures.
I'm going to have this many
items in my environment.
I'm going to have this lighting
set up and that's going to
dictate your frames per second.
So typically, like, especially with
something that's a PC game, that's why
like war zone is like 300 gigabytes.
Cause they're having to account for.
This large bandwidth of hardware
across all of these different systems.
So to hear that a save is, like, bigger
than some indie games is like, what?
It's crazy, isn't it?
Like, I'd be curious to see
what all the save data is about.
I assume it's about, you know, uh,
player interactions and, uh, sort of
the information that it needs to...
Store, but I don't know.
Obviously, that's what save data is, but
I, uh, yeah, that's, it's really something
because I think it also highlights
this, this really big thing that my
brother and I were talking about, which
is this, this, this sort of shift in
hardware, um, that's sort of occurring.
Like, I know everybody has to
update their PC every three to five
years and you need to yada, yada.
But I think, again, it sort of
highlights how much space do
you need for a game and how.
That affects your GPU and how that affects
the whole price of your PC in general.
Like if I buy a Steam Deck, how
much space do I need on my Steam
Deck for a Baldur's Gate save?
So that's, yeah, I think that's definitely
something and it's definitely something
consumers should keep an eye on.
Cause yeah, that affects, it
could potentially affect a lot.
Here, here, let me further the
story and let me add a little,
little spice on top of all this.
So, I'm reading a report from The
Gamer written by Joshua Robertson
and like, he wrote, According to the
game's most recent hotfix, a lot of
players in Boulder Skate 3 were doing
so much in their own adventures that
their personal stories, databases, were
getting too big and causing all sorts
of issues such as crashes and glitches.
Obviously, Boulders Gate 3 is a game full
of personal choices and the game takes
into account all your decisions, even
in the side quests and optional content.
So all of you completionists
out there were doing too much
and cramming your databases so
much that things needed fixing.
It also probably doesn't help that save
scumming is quite popular thing to do
in a choice driven game titles such as
this, which is the act of saving your
game before a big decision in order
to potentially reload your game if an
outcome isn't what you want it to be.
So, like, that's also,
like, attributed to this.
Yeah, I, that, that makes more sense now.
So they're just stacking saves on
saves on saves on saves on saves.
Cause, you know, you have the
people out there who they make
a decision and they're like, no.
No, I save and then they work
through the three other things.
And they've saved on top of that save.
And they're, you know,
50 hours into the game.
And that's, yeah, okay,
that makes more sense.
But holy moly.
But still, I'm like.
Like, there's what, like, I think
they said, what, like, close
to 17, 000 lines of dialogue in
this game, and it is Okay, yeah!
And like, every little
decision, like, matters.
Like, if you kill someone
later, like, that plays, uh,
early, that plays a factor.
Like, all the side quests also
integrate with, like, the main quest.
Like, and they play a part in the
main quest later, and Whether it be
a little part or a big part, or like,
everything matters in this game.
It feels like Game of Thrones, like, but
a video game It really is D& D, I love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm
like, this feels like...
In a weird way, you know, like, everyone
was praising, uh, like, Zelda Tears of
the Kingdom's game mechanics, and, and
it was revolutionary, but, like, this
feels like it's doing, like, the impr
like, this is, like, ze to the level
of Zelda's impressiveness of, like, ga
like, Zelda was game mechanics, but this
is, like, storytelling and character
progression, and character, like, and, and
character development, and it feels like
they're, like, putting that same level
of, like, Development towards that those
facets and almost balancing the scales
a little bit like, yeah, it's weird.
It's a weird thing.
Yeah, it's it's really fun to see
that, though, because it's to to have
a game that's so focused on what it
knows it wants to be is phenomenal.
Um, and that's what made Zelda so
incredible is they knew from day one.
What's going to make this fun
is people playing with physics.
And so they just built on top
of, okay, if I were to play with
physics, what can I, how can we make
everything interact with each other?
So people can build their, their,
their Mecca robots and stuff.
So it's great to see another,
another really focused, okay,
we are a story driven game.
So let's go as big as we can in terms
of, uh, being able to tell a story.
So that's phenomenal.
That's really cool.
It's like, so.
You know, before we move on to
our next story, like mm-hmm.
, do you feel like you're gonna
jump into a Boulder Skate three?
Oh, oh, for a hundred percent.
I know it's, it's on the list.
So not only that, but it's
got like a 97% on meta critic.
It beat tears of the Kingdom man.
Like, which, what?
It's unbelievable that Tears of
the Kingdom is, is the, the second
highest rated of game this year.
So to see a game that's, that's up
there like that, I mean, that's.
This, yeah, that's really second
to none, like, that's incredible.
I, I didn't think this was, like, I
didn't think this was possible this
year, like, I thought if any game had a
chance, it was Starfield, just because,
like, a western RPG, based on all the
things we said earlier, like, if it lived
up to the highest of highs, I thought
it was, like, possible, like, that it
would be, like, those two going toe to
toe, but, like, Is there a chance we
might live in a world where Boulders's game of the year for:
I would love that so much.
That would, that would make me so
happy to see that, because that game,
like, the hype around it and the joy
that it's giving people is phenomenal.
So to, to see a D& D...
Style game be the, be the
number one game in the world.
I can, I can live with that.
Like what world are we living in though?
That this is a possibility that
Zelda game comes out, a Spider Man
game comes out, like you got a Todd
Howard, Western RPG that comes out
and like a final fantasy 16 dropped
this year, a Star Wars game dropped,
you know, like a Metroid game dropped.
And then like the game of the
year might be a D and D game.
That would be wonderful.
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
Like, oh man, that's,
that's so fascinating.
So I want to, so moving on to
the, to the next thing is this
something, nothing or everything
Devolver Digital had a showcase.
Did you hear about this?
No, I didn't.
Okay, so Devolver Digital had a showcase,
um, a couple of days ago, where it
had what they called Devolver Delayed.
It's a cheeky take on game
announcements, where they basically
had a showcase of games that
they're delaying until next year.
I love Devolver Digital, but like,
included into that, um, was like...
The Plucky Squire, which looks absolutely
amazing, um, Freelives Stick It to the
Stickman, Sam Egg's Skate Story, Freelives
Angry Foot, and the Air Etch Pepper
Grinder are all being pushed to 2024.
The showcase had a very cheery
vibe that felt like it was
reminiscent of Nintendo's Direct.
Like, is this something,
nothing, or everything?
I wanna say that's everything.
I love it!
As a developer, I love it!
Like, delays are never fun.
Reporting delays are never fun.
And as we highlighted earlier,
your community will tell
you about how it's not fun.
So, to see a company actually be so
transparent and, and almost make fun of
themselves for the delay is wonderful.
Like that, I really wish that was
the approach to how these delays
are occurring as opposed to,
nothing kind of cracks me up more.
That when a game gets delayed and you
get on social media and it's like reading
a funeral eulogy or something about, we
are so sorry, you know, this happened.
And then, you know, we made
these expectations and it's not
at the point that we want it.
So like reading those suck.
So to see that instead that they're
having fun with it, that's wonderful.
I think that's That's phenomenal.
I wish, I wish that was
more of the approach.
Cause I think it gets the
community behind it more as well.
Man, I like that.
I thought this was, this was fine.
It gave a good vibe.
They, they did confirm that they still
have games coming out later this year.
So I'm like, if you have to delay a
game, like, and break news to people,
like this is a fun way of doing it.
so, I want to move on
to the next story here.
And this is one that I,
I had to have you on for.
Because, Destiny 2 has, you know,
replaced the late, great Lance Reddick.
With, um, Keith David.
For everyone listening who don't know,
who doesn't know who Keith David is.
Phenomenal, like, actor,
especially voice actor.
He's been the voice of,
um, Spawn before, like.
Um, he's also was the Arbiter and,
um, Halo, like the Halo series.
He played, um, let's see the
president and Rick and Morty for all
you Rick and Morty fans out there.
He's been in Saints Row.
He's been in like a Mass
Effect as, um, David Anderson.
And, uh, he was the Black Panther in
the animated Avengers show as well.
So I'm like, he was
mongled in Young Justice.
Like, this dude's been
in the Proud Family.
He was the bad guy in the
Princess and the Frog movie.
Like, for all you Disney fans out there.
Like, this guy's been killing it.
Like, absolutely killing it.
He was my childhood, basically, is
what I'm finding out right here.
My whole damn childhood.
But, um, yeah, he, so he is
replacing the, like, great
Lance Reddick as the character.
And correct me if I'm wrong, is it Zavala?
Is this something, nothing, or everything?
So, it is definitely something.
It has been really tough.
Uh, everybody who plays...
Destiny and who has played it,
especially over the last 9 years.
I've only been a part of this
community for a year now.
Uh, have dipped my toes into Destiny
1 recently and started playing
through some of those campaigns and...
Zavala is, like, the guy.
He is the leader of the Vanguard.
He is the, the voice of wisdom.
He is like the focus and, and Lance
Reddick very much embodied that.
Like he, his voice acting with
Zavala was incredible, but like he
also to a degree led the community.
He was a Destiny player himself.
He loved to talk to Destiny fans
about his experiences, recording
what it's like to be Zavala and
all, and everything surrounding it.
And he's, Zavala is such
a beloved character.
That, uh, I think a lot of
folks were really struggling
with how do we move forward?
Like, do you kill off Zavala?
Uh, there was a debate whether to just
stick Zavala in his office because
technically he has an office in the tower
and they're like, well, if we just stick
him in the office, then we never lose him.
To recast him with the incredible Keith
David is, is I think the right play.
I think, I think Bungie
made the right call there.
Um, I'm, I'm so happy that we
get to continue to have Zavala
continue on as a character.
Um, and, you know, losing Lance was really
rough for the community, but I think Keith
is really going to fill that role well.
So, I'm really excited for Keith
to be there, and I'm also really
excited to still hear Lance in game.
Uh, because I know that they're going
to keep a lot of his voice lines in for
stuff that he's already created, and I
think they said that there might be a
couple of his voice lines in next season.
So, I'm, I'm really excited to, uh,
to see Zavala continue on, especially
through another incredible actor.
Okay, everyone, before we continue,
I'd be remiss in saying that Keith
David also voiced the one and
only Goliath from Guard Rolls.
Like, yeah, I was about to say,
probably one of the most iconic
roles of all time as Goliath.
But, um, yeah, like, so, so wonderful.
But, um, I want to ask you, so,
like, Zavala, like, the way you're
describing him kind of reminds me
of, like, Is he the Charles Xavier
of, of like, Destiny 2, basically?
Of the Destiny universe?
He, he is the stoic, brilliant, cool guy.
Like, he is the guy who
is so cool under pressure.
And this, this season in
particular, I know there are a
lot of folks who had an issue with
sort of the drip story mechanic.
Beyond the point.
The stories that were told this
season, the cutscenes that we got,
particularly between Zavala and
other characters, I think was.
In fact, there's, uh, I don't want
to spoil anything for anybody in case
anybody hasn't played it, but there
is an interaction in one of the story
missions between Saint 14 and Zavala,
and Saint, uh, is sort of, he's another
leader in the Vanguard, but he's seen
as, he's like, he has a, a PVP content
thing called Trials of Osiris that he
runs, but from a story standpoint, he
used to be the leader of the Vanguard, and
there's this incredible exchange between
the two of them, um, that sort of goes
about, That talks about the difficulties
of leading, the difficulties of losing
people under your command and, you know,
how do you go about sort of overcoming
everything that's going on at the moment?
And so, uh, yeah, Zavala really
is sort of that, that Professor X.
He's the, he's, you know, the, the full
leader of this group and has sort of been
the stable, I hold everything down, but
at the same time, he's a Freakin badass
and it's, it's so cool to be able to, to
have such a, a transformative character
like in the, as sort of the lead of, of,
of everything about it and the community's
respect for Zavala has been unbelievable.
I know when Lance passed, a lot of
people put on their salute emotes and
went up to Zavala and saluted for hours
and just the, the love, the outpouring
of love that people have for that
character has been incredible to see.
I love that.
It sounds like, you know, like, you know,
this, it's always tricky whenever you
have like a real life person pass away
who played a beloved character because I'm
like this, you know, this whole situation
kind of reminds me of the debate that
happened when Chadwick Boseman passed
away and with the Black Panther situation.
Should they recast him?
Should they retire that mantle of like
T'Challa and everything like that?
They went the opposite direction to
where they retired Chichalas, like the,
the whole mantle for, for his character.
But like, it, it's so interesting to see
like how different, how the response is
for the other side of the foot to where
like the, to see the recap, like recasting
this character, this beloved character.
A hundred percent.
I know, I, I might be biased too
because one of my, Zavala is my favorite
character to, to have him in the series
and to have Lance be, one of the reasons
I love Zavala is because of Lance.
I mean, Lance's work across all
different kinds of mediums has
been incredible to experience.
But, uh, yeah, to.
One of my, uh, one of the things I
remember telling my friend before
Lightfall dropped was, man, if they
kill off Zavala, I would be so bummed.
To lose Lance like that, like a couple
months later, was like, oh, come on.
That's real rough.
But yeah, it's, it's, I'm, I'm happy to
see Zavala continue on and I'm, I'm happy
to see Zavala continue on through, uh,
such a legendary actor as Keith David.
I mean, I would be lying to you if I
told you I did not adore The Arbiter.
I mean, The Arbiter is such a
fixture of my childhood and, and
especially as I got older and started
to understand the lore around Halo.
And it not just being a big, bad space
Marine killing aliens and actually
understanding the arbiter story.
I remember when I played Halo
two and being disappointed that,
Oh, I have to go be the covenant.
I don't want to be the covenant.
And then growing up a little bit and
understanding the entire backstory of
everything, the arbiters going through,
it's like, Oh my God, this is incredible.
So I, to, to play another bungee
product with Keith David in
it is really, really exciting.
So I, I.
Yeah, wish him all the best in that role.
Oh, that's good, man.
I hope he's everything
y'all want him to be.
Cause like, I, you know, I'm so curious
because like, he also played another
beloved character in video games, and
that was like his role in Horizon, the
Horizon series, like for Ben West and
Horizon Zero Dawn, and I'm like, I'm so
curious on if like, That kid that his
role in that like game is also going to
be recast at this site at least but or
whether or not they're actually going to
just have the you know, like Find a way
to write that character out of the story.
So, yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely
interesting, but I'm glad the,
I, it seems like the reception
for this online has been very
positive for the destiny community.
So I'm, I'm very glad
everyone's happy there.
I got to ask you for this next,
um, story, we have a review round
up for a game called Atlas fallen.
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Have you, have you heard about this one?
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00:52:39,073 --> 00:52:41,018
Atlas fallen is like a.
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It is basically the newest RPG from Deck
13, which is like a company based in
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Germany, is owned by Focus Entertainment.
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It is, it is an action RPG that
was, that is kind of like a mixture
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between like, um, it's sort of
appeals to Devil May Cry fans.
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It's like, yeah, so it has,
it has some really cool vibes.
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Um, but It is, let me see if I
can, I'm trying to figure out
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how I can describe this game.
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It's like, I'd probably say it's very
reminiscent of like Lords of the Fallen.
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Have you played that game before?
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No, I've played Lords
of the Fallen either.
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00:53:16,858 --> 00:53:22,858
So like, it kind of has, uh, some, some
like hack and slash elements, but it also
00:53:22,858 --> 00:53:28,443
kind of has like some, some cool, like,
um, Magic, magical elements and kind of
00:53:28,743 --> 00:53:32,453
to me, it feels like if I'm looking at
these characters, it sort of feels like
00:53:32,453 --> 00:53:37,353
a mythology, like magical version of
almost destiny, like the way that these
00:53:37,353 --> 00:53:42,033
characters move around Atlas falling and
such like that you, um, so yeah, it's.
00:53:42,448 --> 00:53:46,778
It feels like kind of like a
more mythological, mythological
00:53:47,028 --> 00:53:50,268
version of Destiny, so to speak,
but like, it feels like this.
00:53:50,458 --> 00:53:54,308
It looks like it's a single player game,
more so than it is like a multiplayer
00:53:54,308 --> 00:53:55,788
game but I could be mistaken there.
00:53:56,328 --> 00:54:02,703
Um, but anyways, so the review roundup,
like, It seems like this game is kind
00:54:02,703 --> 00:54:05,893
of just mid, um, it, it based on legit.
00:54:05,983 --> 00:54:06,803
It's based on reviews.
00:54:06,803 --> 00:54:07,143
00:54:07,143 --> 00:54:08,473
00:54:11,483 --> 00:54:12,003
yeah, sure, sure.
00:54:12,003 --> 00:54:16,883
All this to say like scream rant, gave
it a four out of five, IGN 10 push square
00:54:16,883 --> 00:54:19,573
seven out of 10, um, RPG site right now.
00:54:19,593 --> 00:54:22,053
Six to six out of 10 games.
00:54:22,063 --> 00:54:23,413
So I'll give it a two out of five.
00:54:23,443 --> 00:54:24,863
It is so.
00:54:25,268 --> 00:54:30,298
Yeah, so it seems like, just to
read a little bit from like, uh,
00:54:30,978 --> 00:54:32,798
IGN's review here, just a snippet.
00:54:33,038 --> 00:54:36,948
Atlas Fallen is a solid open world
RPG with plenty of platforming and
00:54:36,948 --> 00:54:38,178
large monsters for you to fight.
00:54:38,368 --> 00:54:42,248
Putting aside its weak story and the
console's version's gritty graphics,
00:54:42,498 --> 00:54:47,738
there's a hidden gem of excellent combat,
robust exploration, and surprisingly
00:54:47,748 --> 00:54:53,178
deep customization to uncover in
the sinking sands of its Wilderness.
00:54:53,518 --> 00:54:56,848
Um, Games Hub, the one who gave it a
two out of five, basically said, the
00:54:56,878 --> 00:55:00,528
first time you're given a chance to surf
down a sand, um, sand cover mountain
00:55:00,528 --> 00:55:02,478
and atlas fall, it is invigorating.
00:55:02,688 --> 00:55:06,498
You immediately want to do it
again and again if, and you can.
00:55:06,688 --> 00:55:10,578
Anywhere there's sand, you can surf,
slide, and leap great distances while
00:55:10,858 --> 00:55:15,063
admiring the, The static horizons,
a moment like that doesn't exist
00:55:15,063 --> 00:55:18,513
in the game's combat, though, when
it's lackluster combat makes up
00:55:18,863 --> 00:55:21,043
the bulk of Atlas's Fallen's loop.
00:55:21,093 --> 00:55:24,813
It makes it a much harder to work up
the motivation to continue exploring
00:55:24,823 --> 00:55:27,343
everything else the world has to offer.
00:55:27,693 --> 00:55:31,523
So kind of middle of the road there,
like it seems like if you're into this
00:55:31,563 --> 00:55:35,973
game, you know, like maybe Maybe wait
for a sale or maybe just try it out,
00:55:36,313 --> 00:55:37,883
you know, if you got big bucks to spend.
00:55:38,553 --> 00:55:40,013
Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me.
00:55:40,013 --> 00:55:43,743
It sounds like even though the
combat's a little, it's going
00:55:43,743 --> 00:55:44,933
to divide opinion a little bit.
00:55:44,933 --> 00:55:47,963
I mean, yeah, it sounds like definitely
a game that you'd want to pick up in a
00:55:47,963 --> 00:55:49,573
sale or just keep an eye on in general.
00:55:49,573 --> 00:55:52,513
I mean, if it's something, I've
always had the opinion that if you're
00:55:52,523 --> 00:55:55,143
really interested in it, you should
just buy it anyways, because at
00:55:55,143 --> 00:55:57,613
the end of the day, you'll, you'll
know whether you like it or not.
00:55:57,718 --> 00:56:05,238
Um, and you know, depending if that's
at full price or not, but you know, I
00:56:05,238 --> 00:56:10,018
mean, yeah, it sounds like I generally
speaking, it seems like to me that if a
00:56:10,018 --> 00:56:15,168
game is at least or six or a seven for
most people, then I would give it a play.
00:56:15,378 --> 00:56:18,688
I bet that's something that I would
take a chance on, especially because
00:56:18,688 --> 00:56:22,358
I come more from the, initially from
the GameSpot side of things, where
00:56:22,358 --> 00:56:25,788
they were once upon a time, they were
a little stingy with their ratings.
00:56:25,788 --> 00:56:30,118
Now they've sort of gotten a bit more
liberal with giving people higher reviews.
00:56:30,528 --> 00:56:35,398
Um, I think, uh, generally anytime that
I came across a game that it was a six or
00:56:35,398 --> 00:56:38,368
a seven, even though it wasn't, Perfect.
00:56:38,448 --> 00:56:39,508
I generally enjoyed it.
00:56:39,538 --> 00:56:41,978
So yeah, that's something
that I would give a play to.
00:56:42,868 --> 00:56:43,248
00:56:43,588 --> 00:56:43,918
00:56:43,918 --> 00:56:44,978
That's, uh, that's solid.
00:56:44,978 --> 00:56:46,648
I, you know, I'm, I'm
right there with you.
00:56:46,658 --> 00:56:47,568
Try it, try it out.
00:56:47,568 --> 00:56:51,438
If you are interested in it, if you like
it, hopefully you'll, you'll love it.
00:56:51,478 --> 00:56:57,538
But, um, yeah, so the, our next
story, um, Twisted Metal revs up
00:56:57,538 --> 00:56:59,198
and breaks records on Peacock.
00:56:59,528 --> 00:57:02,298
The, have you, have you seen
the Twisted Metal show at all?
00:57:02,348 --> 00:57:03,518
I haven't seen it yet.
00:57:03,548 --> 00:57:05,298
I had an interest in it though.
00:57:05,318 --> 00:57:12,053
So it's, The most binged original
series record like recorded on
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:13,213
Peacock basically right now.
00:57:13,223 --> 00:57:14,013
00:57:14,233 --> 00:57:14,633
00:57:14,663 --> 00:57:17,013
Um, I'm gonna be honest with you.
00:57:17,063 --> 00:57:18,863
I've watched all 10 episodes of the show.
00:57:19,293 --> 00:57:20,313
Okay, what'd you think?
00:57:20,783 --> 00:57:24,193
I am surprised I'm gonna say
this, but I really enjoyed it.
00:57:24,873 --> 00:57:25,113
00:57:25,803 --> 00:57:26,363
I really enjoyed it!
00:57:27,003 --> 00:57:30,303
That's, that's, I cannot tell
you how reassuring that is,
00:57:30,403 --> 00:57:33,483
as, as a enormous fan of Halo.
00:57:33,983 --> 00:57:36,733
And then to get the TV
show that we got, which...
00:57:36,733 --> 00:57:37,103
00:57:37,358 --> 00:57:43,348
To put it bluntly was so far off of
expectations that it was maybe one
00:57:43,408 --> 00:57:47,378
of the most disappointing things
I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:57:48,678 --> 00:57:54,578
So to to go from to go from that
I especially when it was announced
00:57:54,578 --> 00:57:59,688
I was like oh boy like That's,
that's, that's a tough one.
00:57:59,688 --> 00:58:01,358
I really hope that they land that.
00:58:01,368 --> 00:58:05,498
So to hear that you're, that
you enjoyed it is reassuring.
00:58:05,928 --> 00:58:09,808
This, okay, so put like this, this
is very popcorn flicky type of show.
00:58:09,818 --> 00:58:12,578
Like, don't go in this thinking
you're gonna get like the Bear
00:58:12,578 --> 00:58:16,848
Succession, Ted Lasso level of
like, of like cinematography here.
00:58:16,848 --> 00:58:18,398
Like, you're not getting the masterpiece.
00:58:18,398 --> 00:58:21,528
You're not getting like House of
the Dragon level like, of like.
00:58:22,663 --> 00:58:23,863
Can I get an Oppenheimer?
00:58:24,043 --> 00:58:26,333
No, for sure, you're damn sure
not getting an Oppenheimer.
00:58:27,913 --> 00:58:29,273
You're for sure not
getting an Oppenheimer.
00:58:30,483 --> 00:58:31,733
But, um, it's...
00:58:32,533 --> 00:58:33,053
00:58:33,083 --> 00:58:33,443
00:58:33,473 --> 00:58:36,883
It's got heart, you know, it's
got some heart like the characters
00:58:36,903 --> 00:58:38,373
really resonate with me.
00:58:38,423 --> 00:58:43,493
It's like I, it feels like if it
feels like a goose goofy, like twisted
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:48,988
metal version of Mad Max in a way
that yeah, so I'm like, it's not.
00:58:49,238 --> 00:58:51,248
It's not great, but it's not like bad.
00:58:51,508 --> 00:58:54,728
It's the only show this year that I
wanted to rewatch after it was done.
00:58:55,118 --> 00:58:55,758
00:58:55,938 --> 00:58:56,548
00:58:56,708 --> 00:59:00,008
Yeah, so it just got me in
the right mood, I guess.
00:59:00,308 --> 00:59:01,188
The right mind frame.
00:59:01,188 --> 00:59:03,038
I was just like, it's fun.
00:59:03,078 --> 00:59:05,178
It's just fun TV at this point.
00:59:05,578 --> 00:59:10,378
It's like, I'm like a person who
loves like heartfelt storylines
00:59:10,438 --> 00:59:12,928
or like really in depth storylines
where everything matters.
00:59:13,178 --> 00:59:16,158
This is not that, but
it is very much like...
00:59:16,878 --> 00:59:20,588
They're trying, and that's more than I
can say for a lot of video game stuff,
00:59:20,868 --> 00:59:24,728
period, like, as far as, like, movie
to TV adaptations and stuff like that.
00:59:24,998 --> 00:59:26,098
This is better I.
00:59:26,098 --> 00:59:26,178
00:59:26,178 --> 00:59:26,548
00:59:27,168 --> 00:59:27,928
00:59:28,178 --> 00:59:28,758
00:59:28,788 --> 00:59:29,618
Oh, Resident Evil!
00:59:29,628 --> 00:59:30,728
The Resident Evil show as well.
00:59:31,048 --> 00:59:31,988
00:59:32,058 --> 00:59:32,288
00:59:32,308 --> 00:59:35,488
Uh, yeah, I heard such bad
things about it that I didn't
00:59:35,488 --> 00:59:36,608
even give it the time of day.
00:59:36,608 --> 00:59:41,888
Whereas opposed to Halo, I Again, Halo
was such a huge part of my childhood,
00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:43,508
so for that to have released...
00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:49,813
And I think for those that
haven't had a relation to Halo, it
00:59:49,813 --> 00:59:51,613
probably was enjoyable for them.
00:59:51,633 --> 00:59:52,303
And that's great.
00:59:52,333 --> 00:59:54,403
I'm happy that those people
were able to enjoy it.
00:59:55,033 --> 00:59:58,773
But it's like, when you actually have
an interest in the lore, and Master
00:59:58,773 --> 01:00:00,223
Chief is taking off his helmet.
01:00:00,503 --> 01:00:04,423
Like every two seconds you're like
and there's like I think a grand total
01:00:04,423 --> 01:00:08,183
someone put together one of those like
warthog compilations you get like a
01:00:08,183 --> 01:00:12,323
warthog for a grand total of like five
seconds over the 10 episodes you're just
01:00:12,323 --> 01:00:18,423
like no no this missed my my expectation
of what I wanted but yeah so to hear
01:00:18,423 --> 01:00:23,478
that I'm happy that it sounds like it
was fun and that, which is what you
01:00:23,478 --> 01:00:24,968
really want about a Twisted Metal.
01:00:24,968 --> 01:00:27,768
I remember playing it as a
kid and not really, I know it
01:00:27,778 --> 01:00:29,318
has actually pretty deep lore.
01:00:29,318 --> 01:00:32,198
I had a friend who was telling me about
the Twisted Metal lore the other day
01:00:32,198 --> 01:00:34,048
and I was like, holy crap, really?
01:00:34,738 --> 01:00:39,188
But to hear everything else, I was like,
so to hear that it's fun, I'm like, okay.
01:00:39,493 --> 01:00:40,623
I can I can live with that.
01:00:40,823 --> 01:00:41,613
I can live with that.
01:00:42,083 --> 01:00:45,953
I'm gonna be honest here, like, we live
in a world, like, I I can't believe
01:00:45,973 --> 01:00:51,313
we live in this world, but like, this
is my second favorite adaptation based
01:00:51,313 --> 01:00:55,863
on a video game this year, and we got
the and we got The Last of Us this
01:00:55,863 --> 01:00:59,603
year, we got Mario this year, we got
another Resident Evil type of show.
01:00:59,873 --> 01:01:04,398
I'm like All these, like, the, um,
Gran Turismo, I think it's coming
01:01:04,398 --> 01:01:07,383
out, like, later this week or
something like that to that nature.
01:01:07,383 --> 01:01:12,418
It's like, I never thought, I thought this
would be the worst out of all that batch.
01:01:12,458 --> 01:01:16,478
And I, I like this more than
Mario, like, and I actually enjoyed
01:01:16,478 --> 01:01:19,498
the Mario movie, but like, I
think this is better, like, but.
01:01:19,958 --> 01:01:24,148
Yeah, so this is, yeah, I, I think
if people, if you're interested
01:01:24,148 --> 01:01:27,968
into, into something that like has
some heart, that has some character
01:01:27,968 --> 01:01:31,838
development, some really, Anthony
Mackie's really great in this, like,
01:01:31,878 --> 01:01:35,148
um, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
01:01:35,148 --> 01:01:38,838
And then like, um, I think
Stephanie Patriz is also like one
01:01:38,838 --> 01:01:41,268
of the roles she played, um, um.
01:01:41,648 --> 01:01:43,198
In Brooklyn nine nine as well.
01:01:43,198 --> 01:01:45,548
So like also really, really good.
01:01:45,548 --> 01:01:49,308
And then like, if you're a professional
wrestling fan, Samoa, Joe play sweet
01:01:49,318 --> 01:01:53,408
tooth and this is all like, yeah,
it's, it's got all sorts of craziness
01:01:53,428 --> 01:01:55,008
to it, but I really enjoy it.
01:01:55,643 --> 01:01:57,473
Alright, I'll have to give it a watch.
01:01:57,823 --> 01:02:00,383
Yeah, uh, give it a two episode watch.
01:02:03,333 --> 01:02:05,083
Cause that first one,
it might not hook you.
01:02:05,083 --> 01:02:07,793
But that, like, that second one,
you maybe see if you like it.
01:02:07,833 --> 01:02:10,323
But, yeah, that's an hour.
01:02:10,763 --> 01:02:14,033
So each, each is like
23, roughly 23 minutes.
01:02:14,043 --> 01:02:15,013
So like, Okay.
01:02:15,288 --> 01:02:15,668
01:02:16,078 --> 01:02:19,188
So it's like season one
of, of, of next gen then.
01:02:19,528 --> 01:02:19,848
01:02:20,288 --> 01:02:22,358
That's exactly how I'm gonna recommend it.
01:02:22,458 --> 01:02:25,538
I'm like, don't do the one
episode, maybe the two.
01:02:26,068 --> 01:02:28,918
Maybe the two.
01:02:28,928 --> 01:02:31,128
If you don't like it of the two
episodes, it might not be for
01:02:31,128 --> 01:02:33,118
you, but I digress everyone.
01:02:33,428 --> 01:02:37,828
Um, so I had a major question
because we got an absolute rock
01:02:37,828 --> 01:02:39,808
star here and a destiny fanatic.
01:02:40,123 --> 01:02:43,893
Is there a game out right now that
can, that can basically twist your
01:02:43,913 --> 01:02:48,193
arms off the, off the grip that
Destiny has on you, basically?
01:02:48,803 --> 01:02:53,063
Uh, Baldur's Gate has been, I have a
friend who really wants to play it,
01:02:53,113 --> 01:02:57,043
my dad has been playing it, so it's
on my list of games that I'm like,
01:02:57,053 --> 01:02:59,563
okay, that's a game I need to purchase.
01:02:59,883 --> 01:03:01,383
So Baldur's Gate is there.
01:03:01,648 --> 01:03:07,438
Uh, the Jedi Survivor that came out,
that game is also there, as well as
01:03:07,438 --> 01:03:11,348
there was a Star Trek game that came
out, uh, two months ago by the same
01:03:11,358 --> 01:03:13,138
people who, or, it was two months ago?
01:03:13,138 --> 01:03:15,898
It was like a month or two ago,
uh, by the same people who made the
01:03:15,908 --> 01:03:20,848
Telltale games, and it is a point and
click adventure, and that game I have
01:03:20,848 --> 01:03:25,708
been really meaning to double back
around to, so, uh, there are, there
01:03:25,708 --> 01:03:27,798
are a couple of games that can do it.
01:03:27,858 --> 01:03:27,938
Thank you for watching!
01:03:28,128 --> 01:03:33,418
It's just whether, whether it will happen
or not is, uh, who knows, who knows.
01:03:35,808 --> 01:03:38,658
So, is, is the Star Trek
game, is it called Resurgence?
01:03:38,928 --> 01:03:39,948
Yes, that's the one.
01:03:39,948 --> 01:03:40,848
01:03:41,918 --> 01:03:42,598
It looks good.
01:03:42,598 --> 01:03:46,058
I, I wish I was like, super huge
into Star Trek because this actually
01:03:46,058 --> 01:03:47,278
looks good and I like Telltale.
01:03:47,308 --> 01:03:49,448
Like, I like everything that
they do for the most part.
01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:52,098
Everything that I've heard from
everybody who's played it so
01:03:52,098 --> 01:03:55,468
far, uh, I mean, they're all big
Trekkies, but they've loved it.
01:03:55,578 --> 01:04:00,188
So, I, that, that was really encouraging
to me, as opposed to Star Trek Online,
01:04:00,198 --> 01:04:03,978
which really splits people right down the
middle on whether they love it or hate it.
01:04:04,268 --> 01:04:04,488
01:04:04,488 --> 01:04:08,848
So, um, to hear that the general
consensus is people loving it, I'm
01:04:08,848 --> 01:04:10,538
like, alright, I can get behind that.
01:04:11,318 --> 01:04:16,208
Alright, um, to give, uh, give the
people a taste of, like, your next
01:04:16,208 --> 01:04:19,738
appearance on the show, I gotta, I gotta
question for you to stew on in the me
01:04:19,818 --> 01:04:21,748
of, like, until we get to that point.
01:04:22,048 --> 01:04:26,288
What is a IP besides, like, Star
Trek that you would love to see in
01:04:26,288 --> 01:04:28,038
a hi as a high budget video game?
01:04:29,778 --> 01:04:33,618
So, we're actually getting it,
which I'm really, really excited
01:04:33,618 --> 01:04:34,988
for, which is the Indiana Jones.
01:04:36,178 --> 01:04:39,478
I have been an enormous Indiana Jones.
01:04:39,658 --> 01:04:41,038
It is my favorite series.
01:04:41,078 --> 01:04:43,048
I would be lying if I
told you that it wasn't.
01:04:43,168 --> 01:04:46,568
I'd be lying if I said that I like
Star Trek better than Indiana Jones.
01:04:46,948 --> 01:04:52,178
Those original three, so we'll take
away the Kingdom of the Crystal
01:04:52,178 --> 01:04:53,538
Skull and the Dial of Destiny.
01:04:53,808 --> 01:04:54,678
01:04:55,138 --> 01:04:58,488
Even though I think both have their
moments where they are really good.
01:04:58,868 --> 01:05:02,338
In fact, I will go as far as to say
that I think kingdom of the crystal
01:05:02,338 --> 01:05:04,478
skull is actually a good movie.
01:05:04,478 --> 01:05:06,708
If you overlook a couple of things.
01:05:06,758 --> 01:05:07,768
Yeah, I know it's bad.
01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:11,248
I'm drinking the copium on that one.
01:05:11,508 --> 01:05:13,028
That wasn't your spicy take?
01:05:16,978 --> 01:05:27,738
I will say aside from Shia swinging on
vines and, uh, Some other plot points
01:05:27,748 --> 01:05:32,208
that were, generally I think the reason
that movie is not good is because of Mutt.
01:05:32,398 --> 01:05:34,648
I think people really
don't like Mutt Williams.
01:05:35,088 --> 01:05:35,398
01:05:35,558 --> 01:05:39,308
They've tried to like the movie,
I've tried to really like the movie.
01:05:39,378 --> 01:05:42,228
Like, I really like.
01:05:42,288 --> 01:05:47,088
I really think the scene when they're
in the Area 51 cargo bay is phenomenal.
01:05:47,418 --> 01:05:53,098
I think, uh, Indy's banter generally
throughout the entire film is phenomenal.
01:05:53,098 --> 01:05:53,968
01:05:54,848 --> 01:05:58,588
And this is what, uh, even though I
think Dial of Destiny is a good movie, it
01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:01,128
doesn't feel like an Indiana Jones movie.
01:06:01,768 --> 01:06:04,018
And I think the reason it
doesn't is because you don't have
01:06:04,158 --> 01:06:06,188
Lucas and Spielberg making it.
01:06:06,508 --> 01:06:11,538
And for them, Indiana Jones has
always been a Lucas and Spielberg,
01:06:11,538 --> 01:06:13,328
let's have a fun movie kind of vibe.
01:06:13,358 --> 01:06:14,318
And that movie is...
01:06:14,713 --> 01:06:17,043
Like, at the end of the day, King
of the Crystal Skull, despite its
01:06:17,053 --> 01:06:18,653
flaws, is still a fun adventure.
01:06:18,993 --> 01:06:22,543
And it's still full of all the
things that make an indie film feel
01:06:22,543 --> 01:06:24,933
like an indie film, even though
it is a little bit ridiculous.
01:06:25,433 --> 01:06:30,743
But yeah, those, those original three
movies are, like, that, that, that,
01:06:30,753 --> 01:06:32,263
that, those are everything to me.
01:06:32,263 --> 01:06:38,553
So, to see that, uh, and to have
played things like, um, uh, Uncharted.
01:06:38,963 --> 01:06:42,493
Yeah, to play Uncharted or, like,
the original Indiana Jones games
01:06:42,503 --> 01:06:43,933
that I grew up playing, like, um.
01:06:45,148 --> 01:06:45,818
God, what was it?
01:06:45,818 --> 01:06:46,678
The Emperor's Tomb.
01:06:47,118 --> 01:06:51,448
To have played those games as a kid
and now to see that Bethesda's making
01:06:51,448 --> 01:06:55,488
a full on Indiana Jones IP and to
hear that Todd Howard is such a huge
01:06:55,488 --> 01:06:59,618
indie fan makes me really, really,
really excited that hopefully that
01:06:59,618 --> 01:07:03,538
game lands like an Uncharted, that we
can play through a whole adventure and
01:07:03,538 --> 01:07:08,628
do all the, the classic indie things
that, uh, he does in those films.
01:07:09,463 --> 01:07:13,093
You know, the crazy thing is, like,
I had a, I had a guess, like, um, a
01:07:13,093 --> 01:07:16,553
couple of episodes back where we did a
major topic to where we talked about,
01:07:16,563 --> 01:07:21,993
like, based on Indiana Jones and the
Dallas Destiny's, like, uh, box office,
01:07:22,023 --> 01:07:24,223
which, you know, has, has been great.
01:07:24,243 --> 01:07:24,843
01:07:25,063 --> 01:07:25,243
01:07:25,983 --> 01:07:29,303
Do you like, do you feel like they stay
the course and like, if they're early on
01:07:29,303 --> 01:07:34,103
into development cycle, do you feel like
this game still is going to be produced?
01:07:34,103 --> 01:07:36,053
Or do you feel like you
pivot at that point?
01:07:36,073 --> 01:07:39,183
And because like the, is it,
is the market still there?
01:07:39,283 --> 01:07:42,133
Is it, I guess is like, is
that what the movie showing?
01:07:42,393 --> 01:07:44,013
I really hope so.
01:07:44,253 --> 01:07:46,003
I really, really, really hope so.
01:07:46,003 --> 01:07:47,403
But I think it's how they market it.
01:07:47,453 --> 01:07:52,903
I think if, if I think it's
part of the reason I think Dial
01:07:52,903 --> 01:07:55,503
of Destiny does not sell is.
01:07:56,493 --> 01:08:03,033
Unfortunately, and this is not a knock
on Harrison, but Harrison is 80 years
01:08:03,033 --> 01:08:08,063
old and watching it and watching an 80
year old Indy run around on an adventure.
01:08:08,073 --> 01:08:12,183
I, I would be lying to you if I told
you that before that movie came out,
01:08:12,183 --> 01:08:16,733
I thought it was appealing and I would
also be lying to you if I thought that
01:08:16,733 --> 01:08:19,033
the movie could potentially be good.
01:08:19,252 --> 01:08:21,082
Because just given how.
01:08:21,778 --> 01:08:27,388
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull went down
and given how people, uh, seem to not
01:08:27,388 --> 01:08:31,997
necessarily be over the indie character,
but I think it's so far removed from
01:08:32,377 --> 01:08:38,667
its original concept of sort of this
swashbuckling hero going around doing
01:08:38,707 --> 01:08:46,077
indie things that I think that that it's
a really hard sell to a lot of audiences.
01:08:46,548 --> 01:08:50,712
But at the same time, I think if, if
Bethesda comes out and makes a game
01:08:50,893 --> 01:08:56,853
where you have, you know, a young indie
beating up Nazis on some ridiculous
01:08:56,853 --> 01:08:59,733
adventure for some idol or something.
01:08:59,752 --> 01:09:01,212
I think people can get behind it.
01:09:01,212 --> 01:09:04,993
I think it's just all going to be about
what they're actually trying to do.
01:09:05,033 --> 01:09:08,693
Cause yeah, I think it's, it's, it's
a, it's a hard movie to make now.
01:09:08,693 --> 01:09:11,263
I think it's a hard movie to make given.
01:09:12,228 --> 01:09:14,268
that Harrison is Indiana Jones.
01:09:14,318 --> 01:09:17,508
And I think if you were to
recast him, I think the reception
01:09:17,508 --> 01:09:18,758
would be incredibly poor.
01:09:19,158 --> 01:09:21,048
And I think it's, it's really hard.
01:09:21,198 --> 01:09:24,728
I think part of the appeal of
what Indiana Jones is, is the
01:09:24,738 --> 01:09:26,978
time piece that it takes place in.
01:09:26,978 --> 01:09:32,247
And it's, it's just everything about it, I
think, is so unique that it's, it's going
01:09:32,247 --> 01:09:35,497
to be hard to capture that, that sort of
lightning in a bottle that they managed
01:09:35,508 --> 01:09:36,908
to capture with those first three films.
01:09:37,733 --> 01:09:42,403
So here, here's a, here's like a worry
of mine with Indiana Jones, like the
01:09:42,403 --> 01:09:47,452
game, like, it is, it feels like a damned
if you do damned if you don't situation
01:09:47,622 --> 01:09:52,202
to where you like, like, is this going
to be Indiana Jones enough for the
01:09:52,243 --> 01:09:54,743
people who want this game, and then for.
01:09:55,138 --> 01:10:00,278
The other side of the fence, like let's
say like early generation, like of,
01:10:00,368 --> 01:10:04,418
of people and of the gamers, is that a
known IP enough to where it's going to
01:10:04,418 --> 01:10:08,128
get them off of the stuff that they're
playing and want to check this out.
01:10:08,327 --> 01:10:10,978
And then there's the other fence,
the other hard side of the fence,
01:10:10,988 --> 01:10:15,218
where you have Sony who have created
this blockbuster IP with uncharted.
01:10:15,518 --> 01:10:19,518
Your game is going to naturally be
compared to Tomb Raider and uncharted.
01:10:19,758 --> 01:10:20,998
You have to deliver.
01:10:21,073 --> 01:10:24,193
An experience that's not only
to that level, but probably
01:10:24,423 --> 01:10:28,893
supersedes those because you are a
note more notable IP that is that
01:10:28,903 --> 01:10:31,413
trans figures, just video games.
01:10:31,413 --> 01:10:32,523
Like at that point, like.
01:10:33,318 --> 01:10:34,988
I don't, I don't know
if they can nail that.
01:10:35,058 --> 01:10:35,548
01:10:35,998 --> 01:10:37,138
I, yeah, I don't know.
01:10:37,368 --> 01:10:37,878
I don't know.
01:10:37,878 --> 01:10:40,148
It's going to be, it's
going to be really hard.
01:10:40,478 --> 01:10:42,868
Um, and, uh, it'll be interesting.
01:10:42,928 --> 01:10:45,458
Again, it brings us all back to
that original discussion that we
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:48,668
were having with Starfield is,
yeah, are they going to land it?
01:10:48,708 --> 01:10:50,758
And it's with Bethesda games.
01:10:50,768 --> 01:10:53,028
It's, it's shoddy.
01:10:53,278 --> 01:10:57,718
So, so let me ask you, like, this,
this is an interesting question.
01:10:58,613 --> 01:11:02,273
As an Indiana Jones fan, uh, and
with everything that, like, we just
01:11:02,273 --> 01:11:05,363
talked about with Indiana Jones,
would you prefer that to be a smaller,
01:11:05,363 --> 01:11:07,373
like eight hour or less experience?
01:11:07,373 --> 01:11:11,233
Or would you prefer like a actually
big, meaty game with that IP?
01:11:11,373 --> 01:11:12,013
01:11:12,013 --> 01:11:19,753
That's tough for me personally, given
that it is Bethesda, I kind of hope
01:11:19,793 --> 01:11:21,663
that it's sort of an open world.
01:11:21,663 --> 01:11:25,323
You go on an adventure and you do
things kind of game, but at the
01:11:25,323 --> 01:11:28,863
same time, if it is sort of a more
focused eight hour experience, I'm.
01:11:29,168 --> 01:11:30,788
I'm very down with that as well.
01:11:31,278 --> 01:11:36,588
Um, as long as we get to sort of, you
know, as long as like my whole, the
01:11:36,588 --> 01:11:39,368
whole reason that I love Indiana Jones
is kind of like how you were talking
01:11:39,368 --> 01:11:42,698
earlier about, um, about twisted metal.
01:11:42,888 --> 01:11:44,308
They're just fun adventures.
01:11:44,568 --> 01:11:49,263
Like if you shut your brain off for
just like two seconds and you just.
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:53,383
except the fact that they're going
to be chasing some item for the whole
01:11:53,383 --> 01:11:56,952
film, and they're going to do ridiculous
things, and they're going to have
01:11:56,952 --> 01:12:00,723
those sort of like, where's your ticket
kind of moments, and they're punching
01:12:00,723 --> 01:12:05,963
people out of zeppelins, and you know,
they, they, if they, if you're just
01:12:06,003 --> 01:12:09,363
sitting there enjoying the tropes,
then it's going to be a fun adventure.
01:12:09,363 --> 01:12:10,443
And so as long as...
01:12:10,693 --> 01:12:14,543
As long as we get those moments in a game,
I think regardless of whether it's an
01:12:14,543 --> 01:12:19,303
open world or whether more, if it's more
of a confined experience, then I think
01:12:19,313 --> 01:12:21,113
I would probably be satisfied with that.
01:12:21,113 --> 01:12:24,713
But I also know that I, I
will probably be biased.
01:12:27,863 --> 01:12:30,023
So it's hard for me to say,
to be blatantly honest.
01:12:30,648 --> 01:12:35,778
Man, there's, uh, Xbox is in such a weird,
like, a weird but interesting situation,
01:12:35,778 --> 01:12:40,648
like, historically speaking, I don't think
there's, like, ever been a company that's
01:12:40,648 --> 01:12:45,238
been, like, on the razor's edge like this
with a whole bunch of IPs, like, that I've
01:12:45,327 --> 01:12:47,388
ever experienced in my, in my lifetime.
01:12:48,473 --> 01:12:52,813
Yeah, they're, they're making bold
decisions, which I appreciate.
01:12:52,883 --> 01:12:58,803
I'm really excited that we're not getting
sort of, we're not getting the MCU stuff.
01:12:58,813 --> 01:13:02,593
We're not getting sort of the same
experience over and over and over again
01:13:02,593 --> 01:13:06,303
that they're actually, they're, they're
making some bold decisions and whether
01:13:06,303 --> 01:13:11,153
those bold decisions work out for them
is a totally different discussion.
01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:16,183
So Alex, I know, I know this has been
a longer episode, but I got, you got.
01:13:16,373 --> 01:13:17,783
Enough energy for one last segment.
01:13:17,803 --> 01:13:18,273
01:13:18,273 --> 01:13:19,833
I got, I got all the time in the world.
01:13:20,163 --> 01:13:20,763
01:13:20,773 --> 01:13:26,173
So everyone, you know, our next
segment starts with a simple question.
01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:28,143
And that question is, are you ready?
01:13:28,143 --> 01:13:31,193
Because it is time for a pro
nerd trivia portion of the show.
01:13:31,383 --> 01:13:35,303
When we asked our esteemed guests, five
questions, I'd say five, five, five,
01:13:35,403 --> 01:13:41,023
five, five questions based on five
different categories, randomly chosen.
01:13:41,603 --> 01:13:43,293
By destiny, so to speak.
01:13:43,293 --> 01:13:44,043
01:13:44,043 --> 01:13:47,663
I like how he's already hoping for it.
01:13:48,123 --> 01:13:50,313
So, Alec, are you ready?
01:13:50,553 --> 01:13:51,683
I am ready.
01:13:51,753 --> 01:13:52,163
01:13:52,183 --> 01:13:52,803
01:13:52,813 --> 01:13:55,083
If he gets to all five questions,
you already know if you heard
01:13:55,083 --> 01:13:57,643
the show, he will be entered
into our Pro Nerd Hall of Fame.
01:13:57,653 --> 01:13:59,023
Right now, there's only one entrant.
01:13:59,133 --> 01:14:00,993
I believe Alec is going to be the second.
01:14:01,263 --> 01:14:02,483
We shall see, though.
01:14:02,903 --> 01:14:03,793
Here we go.
01:14:03,793 --> 01:14:05,433
Our first category.
01:14:06,388 --> 01:14:07,128
It is a doozy.
01:14:07,468 --> 01:14:08,748
It is an absolute doozy.
01:14:08,848 --> 01:14:14,228
It is our second least answered category
in all of, in all of our categories.
01:14:14,248 --> 01:14:15,628
It is Lord of the Rings.
01:14:15,848 --> 01:14:16,668
01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:18,588
The Realm of Middle Earth.
01:14:19,098 --> 01:14:19,358
01:14:19,418 --> 01:14:19,808
01:14:21,238 --> 01:14:23,798
So, here we go.
01:14:23,878 --> 01:14:28,393
Who, which actor, played Samwise Ganji?
01:14:31,673 --> 01:14:36,653
Which actor played Samwise Ganji
in the Lord of the Rings movies?
01:14:36,713 --> 01:14:37,473
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:39,403
You absolutely got it correct.
01:14:42,403 --> 01:14:45,443
I could see his face and
I'm like, I know who it is.
01:14:45,623 --> 01:14:46,483
What is his name?
01:14:46,623 --> 01:14:47,603
What is his name?
01:14:49,583 --> 01:14:50,583
That's a hard one, man.
01:14:50,603 --> 01:14:51,483
That is a hard one.
01:14:51,913 --> 01:14:54,313
It's like, especially
considering it's been some time
01:14:54,313 --> 01:14:55,773
removed from that franchise.
01:14:55,813 --> 01:14:59,173
Like, it's not like it's like
those movies are out right now.
01:14:59,183 --> 01:15:01,283
That's, that's a deep pool at this point.
01:15:01,883 --> 01:15:02,343
01:15:02,373 --> 01:15:06,133
So our next category is a, is a
category we don't get too often,
01:15:06,143 --> 01:15:07,443
but this is the interesting one.
01:15:07,943 --> 01:15:12,403
It is the realm of the
magical world of Disney.
01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:13,343
01:15:13,483 --> 01:15:13,903
01:15:13,913 --> 01:15:14,473
01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:14,952
01:15:16,723 --> 01:15:19,653
So here we go.
01:15:21,098 --> 01:15:26,378
What is the name of Andy's
neighbor in Toy Story?
01:15:27,188 --> 01:15:31,278
What is the name of Andy's
neighbor in Toy Story?
01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:32,888
I have no idea.
01:15:32,888 --> 01:15:36,298
Spoiler alert, everyone, if you
remember Toy Story, this was the
01:15:36,518 --> 01:15:38,848
neighbor that had all the weird toys.
01:15:39,878 --> 01:15:40,808
Oh, is it Sid?
01:15:40,868 --> 01:15:41,148
It is absolutely Sid.
01:15:41,428 --> 01:15:42,428
It is absolutely Sid.
01:15:44,368 --> 01:15:46,898
I was like, who is Andy?
01:15:46,938 --> 01:15:49,258
I'm like, where was that from?
01:15:49,918 --> 01:15:52,408
Yeah, now I feel like an
idiot because that's obvious.
01:15:55,478 --> 01:15:57,298
So he is 2 for 2 everyone.
01:15:57,358 --> 01:15:58,398
He is 2 for 2.
01:15:58,418 --> 01:15:59,468
He's doing really well.
01:15:59,468 --> 01:15:59,888
01:15:59,898 --> 01:16:02,577
So, our next category is...
01:16:05,908 --> 01:16:06,558
I love it.
01:16:06,878 --> 01:16:07,888
I absolutely love it.
01:16:08,148 --> 01:16:08,598
01:16:08,638 --> 01:16:14,888
So our next category is in the realm of
the MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
01:16:15,238 --> 01:16:15,498
01:16:16,538 --> 01:16:16,688
01:16:16,728 --> 01:16:17,048
01:16:17,058 --> 01:16:19,468
So this is a fun, always a fun topic.
01:16:19,478 --> 01:16:21,548
We always get kind of
crazy situations here.
01:16:21,848 --> 01:16:22,378
01:16:22,888 --> 01:16:26,208
Which character cut Thanos's head off?
01:16:26,938 --> 01:16:30,038
Which character cut Thanos's head off?
01:16:30,388 --> 01:16:32,468
Spoiler for anyone who
hasn't watched this movie.
01:16:33,048 --> 01:16:33,868
That was Thor.
01:16:34,398 --> 01:16:36,818
That is absolutely the
god of thunder, Thor.
01:16:38,778 --> 01:16:40,378
Should have gone for the head, Thor.
01:16:40,378 --> 01:16:41,338
01:16:42,248 --> 01:16:44,138
All right, so that is three down.
01:16:44,138 --> 01:16:45,928
You, you're on a roll here, right?
01:16:46,338 --> 01:16:47,608
Yeah, yeah, we're holding on.
01:16:47,898 --> 01:16:49,218
We're just, we're hoping for Trek.
01:16:52,948 --> 01:16:54,938
Let's see if you actually did it.
01:16:55,668 --> 01:16:56,918
Uh, you did get...
01:16:57,853 --> 01:16:59,503
Star, but not Trek.
01:16:59,702 --> 01:17:01,643
You actually got Star Wars.
01:17:01,913 --> 01:17:02,413
01:17:02,663 --> 01:17:03,053
01:17:03,093 --> 01:17:07,193
I have not lived down the fact that I
have missed this question last time.
01:17:07,343 --> 01:17:10,943
I said the T 38, which was a Russian tank.
01:17:14,763 --> 01:17:16,023
Oh my goodness.
01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:21,803
Alright, so who in Star
Wars killed Qui Gon Jinn?
01:17:22,183 --> 01:17:22,702
Oh, Darth Maul.
01:17:23,213 --> 01:17:24,793
Yes, he is 4 for 4, everyone.
01:17:25,193 --> 01:17:26,273
He is so close.
01:17:26,273 --> 01:17:28,803
He is tasting glory right now.
01:17:29,263 --> 01:17:30,833
Mowing these questions down.
01:17:30,863 --> 01:17:31,383
I love it.
01:17:31,898 --> 01:17:37,598
Darth Maul, ah, might be one of the
best parts of that movie, by the way.
01:17:38,028 --> 01:17:38,958
01:17:39,018 --> 01:17:42,948
Not to mention, Darth
Maul, uh, as a character.
01:17:43,298 --> 01:17:46,118
The things they did with him
in Clone Wars and Rebels.
01:17:46,118 --> 01:17:51,418
Oh my lord, they are just some of
the best stories told in Star Wars.
01:17:51,577 --> 01:17:51,868
01:17:52,388 --> 01:17:55,848
Absolutely impeccable outside like
let me ask you a side question real
01:17:55,848 --> 01:17:58,788
quick like, um, rebels really good.
01:17:58,798 --> 01:17:59,518
I love rebels.
01:17:59,548 --> 01:18:00,128
Did you watch?
01:18:00,128 --> 01:18:01,348
Um, did you watch?
01:18:01,348 --> 01:18:03,628
Um, dang indoor and or?
01:18:03,628 --> 01:18:03,998
01:18:04,048 --> 01:18:04,798
01:18:04,808 --> 01:18:04,858
01:18:04,858 --> 01:18:12,098
Yeah, I think I think and or is
maybe one of the best pieces of Star
01:18:12,098 --> 01:18:13,838
Wars we've ever we've ever gotten.
01:18:13,898 --> 01:18:14,838
Oh, I'm right there with you.
01:18:15,108 --> 01:18:20,418
I would take it over some of the movies
I think and or is unbelievably good.
01:18:20,827 --> 01:18:22,198
What is your favorite Star Wars movie?
01:18:23,148 --> 01:18:25,718
So I am a sucker for A New Hope.
01:18:25,888 --> 01:18:30,708
I think it is, I know this is going
to sound ridiculous, it is the
01:18:30,708 --> 01:18:32,308
most artsy of the Star Wars films.
01:18:33,028 --> 01:18:38,068
Um, but like, if you go back and watch
it and just look at the set pieces
01:18:38,068 --> 01:18:41,718
that were created by Ralph McQuarrie,
my jaw, my jaw just hits the floor.
01:18:42,058 --> 01:18:44,988
Like, um, I think one
of the most brilliant.
01:18:46,213 --> 01:18:50,823
One of the most visually stunning
scenes of all time is watching, um, the
01:18:50,823 --> 01:18:53,133
Millennium Falcon go into the Death Star.
01:18:53,473 --> 01:18:57,853
And just the, the matte painting
that is on that is just chef's kiss.
01:18:57,893 --> 01:19:01,463
Like every time I watch that film,
even though there are things throughout
01:19:01,463 --> 01:19:06,873
that film where I'm just like, Ooh,
but there are, there's just those
01:19:06,873 --> 01:19:11,143
moments where it's like, I wish I
could go back and experience it again,
01:19:11,153 --> 01:19:15,083
that I could watch it from a clean
slate and just take all of that in and
01:19:15,153 --> 01:19:17,153
get sucked into that, that universe.
01:19:18,248 --> 01:19:21,418
Yeah, I, I love, I like a new
hope, but it's not my favorite.
01:19:21,418 --> 01:19:23,638
I think my favorite is rogue one now.
01:19:23,938 --> 01:19:24,668
01:19:24,698 --> 01:19:25,748
I love rogue one.
01:19:26,388 --> 01:19:26,748
01:19:26,808 --> 01:19:30,968
And it's that the scene at the end to me
is like a historically great scene where
01:19:30,968 --> 01:19:35,068
Dartley, you see Vader and like, Oh, it
feels like a horror movie at that point.
01:19:35,238 --> 01:19:40,478
I'm like, yeah, but like, I'm,
I feel like an asshole like in
01:19:40,478 --> 01:19:42,168
real life, because like, I'm.
01:19:42,463 --> 01:19:45,423
Uh, like, as soon as I see Vader,
like, I know I shouldn't be rooting
01:19:45,423 --> 01:19:46,773
for him, but I am at that point.
01:19:46,793 --> 01:19:48,983
Like, when I see Vader, I'm like, get him!
01:19:49,163 --> 01:19:50,123
Tear him down!
01:19:50,933 --> 01:19:53,943
I'm like, I'm almost like
Palpatine, strike him down!
01:19:58,133 --> 01:20:02,343
My favorite part of Rogue One
is Krennic all the way through.
01:20:02,452 --> 01:20:06,423
He is so sarcastically great.
01:20:06,573 --> 01:20:12,633
Like every line that he delivers, he is so
ridiculously ambitious and he's fighting,
01:20:12,663 --> 01:20:17,532
he's fighting with Tarkin the whole
film and just the little things that he
01:20:17,553 --> 01:20:21,913
says, like when he's talking to Galen in
the very beginning of the film and he's
01:20:22,513 --> 01:20:26,013
telling Galen or Galen's telling him, oh
yeah, my wife passed and blah, blah, blah.
01:20:26,243 --> 01:20:31,513
And then Galen's wife comes running across
the field and he just goes, it's Lyra.
01:20:32,238 --> 01:20:33,518
back from the dead.
01:20:33,728 --> 01:20:34,868
It's a miracle.
01:20:38,338 --> 01:20:43,188
Those, those lines have, have made him
like one of my all time favorite Star
01:20:43,188 --> 01:20:47,868
Wars characters or that scene where with
when he's with Vader and Vader tells
01:20:47,868 --> 01:20:49,108
them don't choke on your aspirations.
01:20:51,808 --> 01:20:56,573
Like it's those things that
I'm like, this is This is like
01:20:56,593 --> 01:20:58,393
top tier Star Wars right here.
01:20:58,702 --> 01:20:59,383
01:20:59,673 --> 01:21:00,293
01:21:00,343 --> 01:21:03,973
And I, I know like, that's like, it's
almost like a hot take that that's my
01:21:03,973 --> 01:21:08,202
favorite Star Wars movie, but like,
it's like, it has, oh man, such good
01:21:08,233 --> 01:21:12,963
acting, such good like drama, like you,
it's like, you know, it's almost like a
01:21:12,963 --> 01:21:17,683
tragedy story, but like, it plays like a
hopeful, ambitious story at the same time.
01:21:17,743 --> 01:21:20,053
It's so, then the cameos like, ah.
01:21:20,577 --> 01:21:22,157
It makes me want to watch
that damn movie today.
01:21:24,848 --> 01:21:28,228
Oh, I'm like, man, I just like,
I need to fire up that microwave
01:21:28,228 --> 01:21:29,758
with some popcorn in it.
01:21:29,758 --> 01:21:30,838
Just let it rip right now.
01:21:31,028 --> 01:21:32,008
It's so good.
01:21:33,818 --> 01:21:34,188
01:21:34,198 --> 01:21:38,827
So, all right, here we go.
01:21:38,868 --> 01:21:44,048
The last and final question comes
in the realm of action movies.
01:21:44,838 --> 01:21:45,808
01:21:45,808 --> 01:21:46,148
01:21:47,348 --> 01:21:48,308
01:21:48,753 --> 01:21:53,643
Okay, so let's, let's
take a beat everyone.
01:21:53,653 --> 01:21:55,443
This is for all the marbles.
01:21:56,383 --> 01:22:01,782
His question in the realm of action
movies, the matrix code in the
01:22:01,782 --> 01:22:06,393
matrix came from the came from
recipes from which kind of food?
01:22:08,543 --> 01:22:10,233
Let me read out the
question again for everyone.
01:22:10,543 --> 01:22:16,952
The matrix code in the matrix came
from recipes for which kind of food?
01:22:19,383 --> 01:22:21,313
Man, that's brutal.
01:22:22,213 --> 01:22:24,113
This is a tough pull everybody.
01:22:24,503 --> 01:22:27,373
So I'm gonna keep reading out the
question because this is the the
01:22:27,373 --> 01:22:33,643
matrix code in the matrix came from
recipes for which kind of food?
01:22:33,863 --> 01:22:39,123
So basically which type of food did the
matrix code in the matrix come from?
01:22:40,278 --> 01:22:43,348
So is it a type of cuisine
or a specific food?
01:22:45,228 --> 01:22:49,218
I guess I would call it cuisine and
genre of food, I guess, you know?
01:22:52,228 --> 01:22:54,228
I'm gonna go with Japanese.
01:22:55,073 --> 01:22:55,923
01:22:58,073 --> 01:22:58,623
Let me see.
01:22:59,103 --> 01:22:59,743
Let me see.
01:23:00,903 --> 01:23:02,483
A bit more specific than that.
01:23:02,563 --> 01:23:03,293
01:23:06,763 --> 01:23:07,833
a bit more specific.
01:23:08,013 --> 01:23:11,253
So, so I'm just, I'm telling
you, it's a bit more specific
01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:15,093
than the Japanese, Chinese, like
Mexican or anything like that.
01:23:15,103 --> 01:23:18,363
It is very much like a
subsection of food, but...
01:23:19,258 --> 01:23:24,728
So, I feel like this is a weirdly,
like, weirdly worded question, so I
01:23:24,728 --> 01:23:27,407
kind of feel like giving you another
question in this genre, by the way.
01:23:28,298 --> 01:23:29,327
I wouldn't be opposed.
01:23:29,458 --> 01:23:32,848
I think we're gonna do that,
because I don't like the wording
01:23:32,848 --> 01:23:34,238
in this question, but like...
01:23:34,548 --> 01:23:36,157
I'm curious, what was the answer?
01:23:36,623 --> 01:23:37,433
It was sushi.
01:23:38,433 --> 01:23:40,343
Oh, that was actually my guess.
01:23:40,383 --> 01:23:41,343
That or was it?
01:23:41,393 --> 01:23:43,763
Yeah, I was like, that's crazy.
01:23:44,032 --> 01:23:49,233
That's why I was like, I want to say
it's Japanese, but I could be wrong.
01:23:50,253 --> 01:23:50,753
01:23:50,773 --> 01:23:52,763
So is actually sushi.
01:23:52,823 --> 01:23:53,293
01:23:53,323 --> 01:23:56,183
So yeah, we're going to go
with another question here.
01:23:56,183 --> 01:23:57,202
But like, that is.
01:23:57,858 --> 01:23:58,708
That's so weird.
01:23:58,848 --> 01:24:02,388
I like, I didn't like the way that
question was like worded, but here we go.
01:24:02,498 --> 01:24:04,718
Um, let's see.
01:24:05,368 --> 01:24:05,918
01:24:06,577 --> 01:24:07,008
01:24:07,048 --> 01:24:08,688
This is still, this is still action.
01:24:08,698 --> 01:24:12,698
I'm just refreshing and giving, giving
another, by the way, I was just like, it's
01:24:12,698 --> 01:24:14,318
not giving you a break on the category.
01:24:14,318 --> 01:24:17,738
It's just giving you like a break
on that, that particular question.
01:24:18,938 --> 01:24:20,708
Yeah, I bet.
01:24:21,308 --> 01:24:22,008
01:24:22,318 --> 01:24:23,968
Oh, let's see.
01:24:24,778 --> 01:24:25,368
01:24:26,407 --> 01:24:32,648
Okay, what is the name of the fictional
land where frozen takes place?
01:24:33,173 --> 01:24:34,973
I don't know how this ended up
in action movies, by the way.
01:24:35,032 --> 01:24:38,153
01:24:39,702 --> 01:24:41,323
I like how you sound, crap.
01:24:43,743 --> 01:24:45,813
01:24:49,183 --> 01:24:54,633
Arendale is absolutely crazy!
01:24:55,573 --> 01:24:56,323
He absolutely did it.
01:24:56,343 --> 01:24:57,483
We have a new entry
01:25:01,943 --> 01:25:03,683
into the hall of fame, everyone.
01:25:03,733 --> 01:25:08,503
Alec has officially emerged as a
new champion of champions, everyone.
01:25:08,513 --> 01:25:12,343
We have two, count it, two entries
into our pro nerd hall of fame.
01:25:12,563 --> 01:25:17,513
Alec, Alec, congratulations on
your, on your new status as a,
01:25:18,483 --> 01:25:19,653
a hall of famer at this point.
01:25:20,643 --> 01:25:21,413
Hall of famer.
01:25:22,452 --> 01:25:23,113
That's pretty cool.
01:25:23,513 --> 01:25:27,633
Yeah, so, so I'm gonna refresh this
really quick because I'm like, I'm
01:25:27,633 --> 01:25:32,963
so curious on why this showed up is
like, I want to see what the band wild.
01:25:33,313 --> 01:25:37,963
Okay, so I don't get it because like the
next question on this says, which famous
01:25:37,973 --> 01:25:40,163
Pulp Fiction scene was filmed backwards.
01:25:40,657 --> 01:25:43,788
That seems like an action movie,
like, that seems like an action
01:25:44,008 --> 01:25:45,378
movie, like, question, by the way.
01:25:46,348 --> 01:25:50,548
Um, so I'm like, I, you want to know the
answer to that before I do that again?
01:25:50,958 --> 01:25:51,318
01:25:51,558 --> 01:25:55,748
Mia's overdose scene was like
filmed backwards in Pulp Fiction.
01:25:56,008 --> 01:25:56,778
01:25:57,228 --> 01:25:57,468
01:25:57,638 --> 01:25:58,577
I didn't know that either.
01:25:58,748 --> 01:25:59,548
01:25:59,548 --> 01:26:01,398
So refreshing the question again.
01:26:01,478 --> 01:26:06,478
Um, the Matrix question and then, okay.
01:26:08,228 --> 01:26:13,608
All right, so, what, who did
the cat in the classic movie,
01:26:13,688 --> 01:26:15,098
The Godfather, belong to?
01:26:16,878 --> 01:26:18,598
Was it Don Corleone?
01:26:19,577 --> 01:26:20,768
That's a very good guess.
01:26:21,248 --> 01:26:22,188
That is incorrect.
01:26:22,308 --> 01:26:22,948
01:26:22,958 --> 01:26:24,028
The cat was a stray.
01:26:25,218 --> 01:26:27,638
The cat was a stray!
01:26:27,638 --> 01:26:28,157
01:26:28,538 --> 01:26:31,228
Yeah, but like, those feel
like action movie questions.
01:26:31,228 --> 01:26:32,758
Yeah, yeah, those are
action movie questions.
01:26:32,758 --> 01:26:34,238
I think we got a frozen question.
01:26:34,288 --> 01:26:37,758
It's like, okay, so like, what wasthe top grossing movie in:
01:26:41,753 --> 01:26:43,473
That is an action movie question.
01:26:45,233 --> 01:26:45,323:
01:26:45,333 --> 01:26:45,793
01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:50,263
Trying to remember what was it.
01:26:51,463 --> 01:26:53,183Avengers was:
01:26:53,373 --> 01:26:56,452
Yeah, Avengers was, um, and here,
let me give you some choices
01:26:56,452 --> 01:26:57,782
here, cause this spices up.
01:26:58,083 --> 01:27:03,023
Alright, so, A, you would have The
Hunger Games, Mockingjay Part 1.
01:27:03,598 --> 01:27:04,088
01:27:04,148 --> 01:27:05,038
The Lego movie.
01:27:05,198 --> 01:27:05,608
01:27:05,657 --> 01:27:07,728
Captain America Winter Soldier.
01:27:08,058 --> 01:27:08,478
01:27:08,478 --> 01:27:10,518
Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:27:11,428 --> 01:27:14,668
Ooh, yeah, that's rough.
01:27:14,718 --> 01:27:15,907
That is a rough one.
01:27:15,907 --> 01:27:17,318
You got two Marvel movies.
01:27:17,318 --> 01:27:19,708
You have a very good animated movie.
01:27:20,038 --> 01:27:22,648
That, you know, animated
movies sell like blockbusters.
01:27:22,648 --> 01:27:26,198
And then you had like, the, at that
time, The Hunger Games were going
01:27:26,198 --> 01:27:27,407
kind of strong around that time.
01:27:27,407 --> 01:27:35,083
Yeah, probably would actually maybe go
with, uh, I want to say that it's either
01:27:35,103 --> 01:27:37,003
the Hunger Games or the Lego movie.
01:27:38,032 --> 01:27:40,573
01:27:43,693 --> 01:27:44,923
I'm going to say Lego movie.
01:27:45,358 --> 01:27:50,148
Oh, you would have been incorrect on
that one, like Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:27:51,468 --> 01:27:51,588
01:27:51,618 --> 01:27:53,138
Like came out swinging.
01:27:53,178 --> 01:27:56,768
It was like the top grossing, not
only action movie, but the top
01:27:56,778 --> 01:27:59,028grossing overall movie in:
01:27:59,958 --> 01:28:00,458
01:28:00,548 --> 01:28:01,327
01:28:01,368 --> 01:28:03,428
Like, I love that movie, by the way.
01:28:03,758 --> 01:28:06,288
Oh yeah, that Guardians is phenomenal.
01:28:06,318 --> 01:28:06,988
So I'll take that.
01:28:07,608 --> 01:28:08,288
I'm just curious.
01:28:08,288 --> 01:28:09,988
What Star Trek question
would I have gotten?
01:28:10,428 --> 01:28:10,858
01:28:11,148 --> 01:28:12,178
Like, hold on.
01:28:13,077 --> 01:28:16,288
Here, okay, I might forcibly
go to the Star Trek ones here.
01:28:16,928 --> 01:28:18,928
Alright, here it goes right here.
01:28:20,378 --> 01:28:21,248
01:28:22,298 --> 01:28:24,868
If it's not original, if it's
original series, I'm screwed.
01:28:24,868 --> 01:28:27,778
But if it's the other things I
can, I can pull it off, I think.
01:28:27,788 --> 01:28:31,618
Okay, this is a, I wouldn't know this
answer if someone gave me multiple
01:28:31,618 --> 01:28:37,358
choice, but like, which Deep Space Nine,
which Deep Space Nine crew member goes
01:28:37,907 --> 01:28:39,638
MIA during the course of the series?
01:28:41,423 --> 01:28:47,123
Which Deep Space Nine crew member goes
MIA during the course of the series?
01:28:49,023 --> 01:28:54,523
Which Deep Space Nine crew member goes
MIA during the course of the series?
01:28:54,782 --> 01:29:00,773
Technically, Cisco goes MIA
at the very end of the series.
01:29:00,933 --> 01:29:05,473
So, gonna guess Cisco?
01:29:06,663 --> 01:29:08,583
That's what it says right
here, Benjamin Cisco.
01:29:08,823 --> 01:29:10,673
Yeah, Benjamin Cisco, yeah.
01:29:10,673 --> 01:29:12,183
At the very, at the very...
01:29:12,543 --> 01:29:13,863
End of the series, he goes M.
01:29:13,863 --> 01:29:14,123
01:29:14,133 --> 01:29:14,193
01:29:14,282 --> 01:29:16,183
For those that haven't seen
it, no spoilers, but yeah.
01:29:17,563 --> 01:29:21,683
Captain Sisko is the main focus of
the series and the series ends on,
01:29:22,813 --> 01:29:26,253
it technically wraps everything up
with every character except him.
01:29:26,413 --> 01:29:31,643
We, we still to this day don't
know what good old Sisko's up to.
01:29:32,613 --> 01:29:36,023
All right, all right, so
very briefly, what's the best
01:29:36,023 --> 01:29:37,873
starting point for Star Trek?
01:29:37,903 --> 01:29:41,443
Like, would you say, For people
to go, like, old school, do you
01:29:41,452 --> 01:29:45,093
think, like, these new, like, newer
shows are a good jumping off point?
01:29:45,093 --> 01:29:46,713
What's the best starting
point for a newbie?
01:29:47,583 --> 01:29:54,943
So, I, I am very biased towards 90s
Star Trek, so I would say the next
01:29:54,943 --> 01:29:59,463
generation is always probably the
best place to start, just given that
01:30:00,063 --> 01:30:05,282
probably from start to finish you get
the most consistently good Star Trek.
01:30:05,282 --> 01:30:05,853
01:30:06,363 --> 01:30:10,833
With the new series though, particularly
with Strange New Worlds, I think Strange
01:30:10,833 --> 01:30:14,183
New Worlds is the first Star Trek
series that we've had in a while that
01:30:14,183 --> 01:30:21,353
really captures, um, the essence of what
Star Trek is in terms of storytelling.
01:30:21,353 --> 01:30:24,383
So, strange, if you want
something modern, Strange New
01:30:24,393 --> 01:30:26,613
Worlds is like, perfect for that.
01:30:26,633 --> 01:30:29,733
And then if you want something
that's a bit more like, this is,
01:30:30,013 --> 01:30:32,243
like, it was really funny to...
01:30:32,998 --> 01:30:36,028
Because I started with Next Gen, watched
all the way through Next Gen, because
01:30:36,028 --> 01:30:39,478
my dad used to watch the movies with
us, and we'd watch episodes with him.
01:30:39,808 --> 01:30:42,508
So then for me to go watch all the
way through it was a lot of fun.
01:30:42,898 --> 01:30:47,327
And during COVID, I watched all of
Voyager, I watched all of Deep Space
01:30:47,327 --> 01:30:49,438
Nine, and I started the original series.
01:30:49,448 --> 01:30:52,878
So by the time I started the original
series, I had seen all of 90's Trek.
01:30:53,577 --> 01:31:01,443
Um, And the f it was when I started re
watching Next Gen again that you see
01:31:01,452 --> 01:31:06,233
the similarity between the first season
of, of Next Gen and the original series.
01:31:06,253 --> 01:31:11,383
And you can really feel Gene Roddenberry
in the first season of Next Gen and
01:31:11,393 --> 01:31:15,643
how they're able to develop off of
the things, the staples that Gene
01:31:15,643 --> 01:31:17,423
sort of set up and grow from there.
01:31:17,733 --> 01:31:18,233
01:31:19,348 --> 01:31:22,988
Next gen season one is at times a
little rough to watch because the,
01:31:23,018 --> 01:31:27,098
I don't think they quite had the
budget or the special effects options
01:31:27,108 --> 01:31:29,068
that they had later in the series.
01:31:29,068 --> 01:31:30,988
I don't think the technology
was quite there either.
01:31:31,308 --> 01:31:33,018
So there's times you're
watching it and you're going,
01:31:33,358 --> 01:31:35,448
what the, what, what is that?
01:31:35,458 --> 01:31:38,928
Like, I remember there's one particular
one of like some fish people and you're
01:31:38,928 --> 01:31:42,368
just looking at this thing and you're
like, what the heck am I watching?
01:31:42,698 --> 01:31:43,118
01:31:43,643 --> 01:31:45,023
As a series, it's phenomenal.
01:31:45,103 --> 01:31:47,313
So, uh, Next Gen is great.
01:31:47,343 --> 01:31:48,853
Deep Space Nine is my favorite.
01:31:48,903 --> 01:31:52,413
I think it is, uh, everybody I've
talked to has always described
01:31:52,413 --> 01:31:53,733
it as Star Trek for adults.
01:31:54,123 --> 01:31:59,868
It is like, it really delves into
topics that are like, serious.
01:31:59,868 --> 01:32:03,948
I know there's a, in particular, a big
focus of deep space nine is there's
01:32:03,948 --> 01:32:06,798
a war that breaks out in the third
season, the third or fourth season.
01:32:07,157 --> 01:32:11,998
And because that's such a, you know,
such a monumental focus, there's a lot
01:32:11,998 --> 01:32:17,568
of discussion about gray area and PTSD
and how people are sort of coping with
01:32:17,568 --> 01:32:19,157
everything that's going on around them.
01:32:19,157 --> 01:32:22,708
And for me, that, that actually really
helped me with things like anxiety.
01:32:22,938 --> 01:32:25,228
So it was really, it was, it was.
01:32:25,723 --> 01:32:30,993
Such an important series for me to watch,
um, that, yeah, I always recommend that
01:32:30,993 --> 01:32:34,782
if anybody is interested in Star Trek,
the first season of Deep Space Nine is
01:32:34,782 --> 01:32:38,993
a little rough, as with most Star Trek
things, but like, once you really start
01:32:38,993 --> 01:32:43,513
to get into the nitty gritty of it,
there's a particular episode in, I want
01:32:43,513 --> 01:32:47,723
to say it's season six of Deep Space
Nine called In the Pale Moonlight, and
01:32:47,723 --> 01:32:50,833
that is maybe one of the greatest Bye.
01:32:50,833 --> 01:32:50,843
01:32:50,843 --> 01:32:50,853
01:32:51,452 --> 01:32:54,333
episodes of science fiction
that has ever been told.
01:32:54,793 --> 01:32:57,213
I mean, I get goosebumps
just thinking about it now.
01:32:57,243 --> 01:32:59,573
So that sounds really cool.
01:32:59,593 --> 01:33:03,043
Like that sounds like at that
time, like what the red wedding
01:33:03,043 --> 01:33:04,373
means to a lot of people now.
01:33:05,393 --> 01:33:05,593
01:33:05,873 --> 01:33:06,333
01:33:06,843 --> 01:33:07,963
That sounds so good.
01:33:07,963 --> 01:33:12,513
There was, uh, cause in this particular
episode, the war is not going well.
01:33:12,563 --> 01:33:16,053
And the, and the, uh,
federation is losing.
01:33:16,573 --> 01:33:21,103
And so there is a, there is a,
there is a line that is crossed.
01:33:21,383 --> 01:33:25,193
And at the very end of the episode,
Cisco, he's doing this personal log.
01:33:25,193 --> 01:33:29,383
And the whole episode is based
off of him talking you through his
01:33:29,383 --> 01:33:33,782
logic for why he did this thing and
why it was necessary for, which.
01:33:33,782 --> 01:33:38,213
The whole galaxy to, to succeed
and why it had to be done.
01:33:38,443 --> 01:33:41,813
And he's, his conscious is
just dropping out everywhere.
01:33:41,813 --> 01:33:43,623
As he's talking about it,
should I have done this?
01:33:43,623 --> 01:33:45,213
Should I have not at the very end of it?
01:33:45,223 --> 01:33:45,493
01:33:45,948 --> 01:33:46,968
No, I did the right thing.
01:33:47,268 --> 01:33:51,108
He's like, I, I, if I was given
the choice to break all the rules
01:33:51,108 --> 01:33:55,518
again and really cross that, that
moral red tape, would I do it again?
01:33:55,788 --> 01:33:56,278
01:33:56,278 --> 01:33:59,407
And then he deletes his, his
whole, uh, his whole log.
01:33:59,458 --> 01:34:00,608
And it's like, Oh, that's cool.
01:34:00,638 --> 01:34:03,358
It's an, it's unbelievable storytelling.
01:34:03,398 --> 01:34:06,648
So 10 out of 10 recommend,
uh, watching deep space nine.
01:34:07,198 --> 01:34:07,888
That is so cool.
01:34:07,907 --> 01:34:11,708
So, uh, out of the retro stuff, like,
all the retro, like, Star Trek, would
01:34:11,708 --> 01:34:15,737
you prefer all that stuff get remade
with modern day technology, or would
01:34:15,737 --> 01:34:20,077
you prefer it to have, like, the
same, with the exact same story, and
01:34:20,077 --> 01:34:23,907
everything like that, or would you prefer
remade live action same technology,
01:34:23,907 --> 01:34:27,198
or would you prefer an animated
version with the exact same story?
01:34:28,178 --> 01:34:30,458
Uh, probably the animated
version, I think.
01:34:30,458 --> 01:34:30,978
That'd be cool.
01:34:31,128 --> 01:34:35,848
I think, um, Star Trek has always
had such a deep history in animation.
01:34:35,907 --> 01:34:38,308
Uh, they had the original animated series.
01:34:38,788 --> 01:34:41,668
Which, after the original series
ended, you had the animated series.
01:34:41,678 --> 01:34:43,618
And they brought back all
the original actors for it.
01:34:43,638 --> 01:34:47,848
And, and at times it's cheesy, but
it's, it's really fun to watch.
01:34:47,858 --> 01:34:54,218
So, I, I, I would love to see a
return to that classic Trek animation
01:34:54,218 --> 01:34:55,918
of, uh, going on these adventures.
01:34:56,763 --> 01:34:57,612
That's really cool.
01:34:57,673 --> 01:34:58,233
That's really cool.
01:34:58,263 --> 01:35:01,862
Before we go, Alec, I got two
final questions to ask you.
01:35:01,862 --> 01:35:04,643
The first one is, where can
the good people find you?
01:35:05,323 --> 01:35:08,793
So they can still find me at our,
our, our Cygnus accounts, even though
01:35:08,813 --> 01:35:10,393
those will be changing names soon.
01:35:10,393 --> 01:35:11,112
So follow us.
01:35:11,558 --> 01:35:12,428
Keep following us.
01:35:12,818 --> 01:35:17,458
Uh, we are working, my brother and I are
working on starting another company, and
01:35:17,458 --> 01:35:20,838
we have another game in the works that
we're really, really, really excited
01:35:20,858 --> 01:35:23,478
to, to be, uh, developing here soon.
01:35:23,718 --> 01:35:26,608
I apologize for all of
our, our Cygnus fans.
01:35:26,608 --> 01:35:30,998
Unfortunately, we had something internally
happen that we just couldn't control.
01:35:31,608 --> 01:35:35,928
Which eventually led to sort of the
dissolving of our company, but, um,
01:35:36,038 --> 01:35:39,168
we hope that we haven't lost you and
we hope that we can give you a new
01:35:39,178 --> 01:35:42,638
game here really soon that is going
to hopefully defy the expectations
01:35:42,638 --> 01:35:44,098
of things that we set up previously.
01:35:44,718 --> 01:35:45,018
01:35:45,288 --> 01:35:45,748
01:35:45,778 --> 01:35:48,478
And then on my final question is...
01:35:49,393 --> 01:35:53,423
What is one meal you're looking forward
to having, uh, like, uh, like that
01:35:53,423 --> 01:35:55,193
you're actually, like, salivating for?
01:35:55,193 --> 01:35:57,743
Like, what is, what is that one meal?
01:35:57,763 --> 01:35:59,433
Because I'm in a dinner
type of mood right now.
01:35:59,452 --> 01:35:59,973
01:36:00,393 --> 01:36:03,173
So I, my birthday is
actually next weekend.
01:36:03,973 --> 01:36:04,793
01:36:05,073 --> 01:36:08,733
And for my birthday, uh, my
family members were kind of like,
01:36:08,743 --> 01:36:09,333
well, what do you want to do?
01:36:09,333 --> 01:36:09,933
What do you want to do?
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:14,093
And from my house, there's a little
Italian deli that's probably about
01:36:14,112 --> 01:36:15,543
10 minutes away and they make.
01:36:15,833 --> 01:36:18,532
One of the best sandwiches I've
ever had in my entire life.
01:36:18,532 --> 01:36:19,923
So we're all going to go there for lunch.
01:36:19,923 --> 01:36:25,313
So I'm really excited to get my, uh, my
roast beef and Swiss, uh, Italian sub.
01:36:26,293 --> 01:36:29,123
So do you put any weird
like toppings on this?
01:36:29,133 --> 01:36:31,133
So, Oh no, no, no, no.
01:36:31,513 --> 01:36:37,233
So they, they, they, uh, they go with
sort of their setup of an Italian sub.
01:36:37,233 --> 01:36:42,282
So it's got the balsamic, it's got the,
the, the lettuce, tomato, onion, like.
01:36:42,563 --> 01:36:44,013
Like, I like simple.
01:36:44,013 --> 01:36:49,253
I'm like, yes, give me just mayo,
balsamic, lettuce, tomato, onion, Swiss
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:52,083
cheese, and roast beef on good bread.
01:36:52,282 --> 01:36:56,673
It really is second to none to have
sort of a really good deli sandwich.
01:36:57,112 --> 01:36:57,612
I like that.
01:36:57,643 --> 01:36:58,233
I like that.
01:36:58,253 --> 01:37:01,813
So you're turning 21, you're going to
have this sandwich and you just really...
01:37:04,213 --> 01:37:05,473
And it's just good times from there.
01:37:06,153 --> 01:37:07,112
01:37:07,112 --> 01:37:08,403
I mean, I wish I was turning 21.
01:37:08,493 --> 01:37:08,943
01:37:08,943 --> 01:37:09,293
And so do I.
01:37:09,803 --> 01:37:10,093
01:37:10,098 --> 01:37:12,513
I wish I could have that
level of energy again, but no.
01:37:12,518 --> 01:37:13,383
01:37:13,713 --> 01:37:15,303
Back then, what was sleep at that point?
01:37:15,543 --> 01:37:16,253
01:37:16,413 --> 01:37:16,893
What was sleep?
01:37:17,112 --> 01:37:19,443
I'm like, we were just game
all night at that point.
01:37:19,443 --> 01:37:21,362
Like, oh yeah, no, I felt it.
01:37:21,362 --> 01:37:24,032
Even on this last, on this
last Vegas trip, you know?
01:37:24,063 --> 01:37:24,153
01:37:24,393 --> 01:37:28,083
, it was, you know, I, everybody in
my group was like, yeah, so we're
01:37:28,083 --> 01:37:32,538
gonna do this club call that starts
at nine 40, and I'm like, Bedtime?
01:37:33,048 --> 01:37:33,358
01:37:33,458 --> 01:37:35,048
I'm like, 940?
01:37:35,518 --> 01:37:41,708
Like, I have a flight that leaves at 6am,
I gotta leave for the airport by like 4.
01:37:41,708 --> 01:37:43,698
30, I'm like, where's the sleep?
01:37:44,577 --> 01:37:45,198
01:37:45,198 --> 01:37:49,468
I was thinking like, I'd like go to IHOP
or with you around 940, you know, like.
01:37:50,273 --> 01:37:53,183
I was like, we can go to IOP, maybe
grab a drink or something and then
01:37:53,323 --> 01:37:56,323
go home, like go to the hotel,
like chill, that sort of thing.
01:37:56,333 --> 01:37:58,353
Yeah, I'm like, I'm too old for that.
01:37:58,362 --> 01:37:59,473
No, no, no.
01:37:59,503 --> 01:38:00,862
I'm like, I got to go to bed.
01:38:00,862 --> 01:38:03,903
I mean, I have to drive after I fly.
01:38:03,923 --> 01:38:06,463
I know, I feel you, I feel you.
01:38:06,473 --> 01:38:09,073
It's like they're, they're talking
bar crawls and stuff like that.
01:38:09,183 --> 01:38:11,473
You're like, the only crawl I want
to do is crawl my ass into bed.
01:38:14,577 --> 01:38:16,748
Yeah, for sure.
01:38:16,768 --> 01:38:17,327
01:38:17,398 --> 01:38:20,468
So everyone, thank you so much
for listening to this episode.
01:38:20,468 --> 01:38:22,268
This single player experience
has been a fun one.
01:38:22,498 --> 01:38:25,478
You know, I really enjoyed this Alec man.
01:38:25,478 --> 01:38:26,548
Thank you so much for being here.
01:38:26,858 --> 01:38:27,138
01:38:27,138 --> 01:38:28,577
Thank you for having me as always.
01:38:28,708 --> 01:38:30,843
It's Such a pleasure to be on the show.
01:38:30,843 --> 01:38:32,373
So anytime you need me, just let me know.
01:38:32,753 --> 01:38:33,493
Oh, for sure.
01:38:33,493 --> 01:38:36,643
I guarantee guarantee this is
that this is the first of many.
01:38:36,693 --> 01:38:38,443
Like I love having you on the show.
01:38:38,713 --> 01:38:40,903
So everyone, thank you so much
for listening to this episode
01:38:40,903 --> 01:38:42,223
of the single player experience.
01:38:42,253 --> 01:38:45,103
As always, you can catch this on
all your favorite podcast platforms.
01:38:45,362 --> 01:38:46,362
Thank you for all your support.
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,601
Sebastion: So that's a
wrap for today's show.
01:38:53,831 --> 01:38:56,981
I want to give a special shout and
thank you to Alec Tob from Cigna
01:38:56,981 --> 01:38:58,871
Studios for being on the show today.
01:38:59,449 --> 01:39:03,079
I also wanna let you know about the
single player experience Discord server.
01:39:03,318 --> 01:39:06,589
It's the perfect place for single player
gamers to talk about the good single
01:39:06,589 --> 01:39:09,978
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and to get video game recommendations.
01:39:10,309 --> 01:39:13,489
Think of it kind of like a book
club for single player gamers.
01:39:13,879 --> 01:39:16,189
The link to join will
be in the description.
01:39:16,429 --> 01:39:19,369
Once you're in, feel free to share
your video game backlog list.
01:39:19,369 --> 01:39:22,929
Talk about the good games you've
been playing, or give your feedback
01:39:22,929 --> 01:39:26,059
on the show if you have a game that
you think should be recommended or
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:27,709
that you think I should talk about.
01:39:27,879 --> 01:39:30,669
Let me know in the single Player
Experience Discord server.
01:39:31,089 --> 01:39:31,898
I'll see you there.
01:39:32,199 --> 01:39:36,009
Before we go, I just want to thank you
so much for listening to today's episode.
01:39:36,249 --> 01:39:39,219
Stay safe, stay gamming, and I
hope to catch you in the next one.
01:39:39,549 --> 01:39:39,699