Janae Alexandria, formerly known as Neytiri in the controversial group Carbonation, shares her harrowing journey of survival and empowerment in the wake of her experiences with cult dynamics and manipulation. The episode delves into the profound psychological and emotional impacts of being part of a group led by a charismatic but abusive leader, Elijio, who used religion as a tool for control. Janae recounts her struggles with identity, self-worth, and the challenges of leaving the cult, including the threats and retaliation she faced after speaking out. Throughout the conversation, she emphasizes the importance of healing and reclaiming one's narrative, highlighting her efforts to support other women who have endured similar traumas. With the publication of her book, "Lesson Learned," Janae aims to raise awareness about the dangers of cults and offer hope and guidance to those seeking to break free from toxic environments.

Timecode:

00:07 - The Concept of Reality in Stardom

01:22 - The Beginning of Janae's Story

10:13 - The Plea Deal and Its Consequences

19:10 - Exploring Spirituality and Carbonation

29:03 - Joining Carbonation: A New Chapter Begins

39:04 - Nature Boy's Manipulation and Control

44:50 - The Recruitment System of a Cult

54:41 - The Dangers of Neglecting Medication

01:03:02 - The Impact of Abuse

01:19:40 - The Weight of Manipulation and Escape

01:31:05 - Janae's Journey Through Polygamy and Pregnancy

01:41:37 - Breaking Free: The Decision to Report Nature Boy

01:46:46 - The Influence of Belief Systems

01:51:42 - Exploring Trauma and Sexuality

02:03:28 - The Journey of Healing and Empowerment

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Real life stars.

It ain't real life.

Real life street stars.

You know what time it is?

Real life street stars, y'all clap it up.

We have.

I want to say this might be, if not the final story, but this is technically what is considered, like, the epicenter of possibly the carbonation story, because there's a beginning, there's an end, but also sometimes the end can be a new beginning.

So we have on the couch, finally, Janae.

Welcome.

Thank you so much.

Again, first and foremost, the story we're about to tell.

Well, for those that may wonder, like, hey, who do you have on the couch?

There's candles, there's books.

Go ahead and introduce yourself for how you want to introduce yourself, and then we'll go from there.

Okay?

Hi.

Peace, love and light.

My name is Janae Alexandria, and I was known as Neytiri in combination.

I've been in and out of combination for some years.

And supposedly I'm the legend victim in the whole situation.

So I'm here to tell my story.

And I'm a truth speaker.

So.

And we're gonna start, of course, we're gonna move around, but we're gonna start from the beginning, go all the way through.

But why you said that?

Why were you during the trial of nature boy, trial of Alygio?

Why wasn't your name, like, brought up more?

Did you have to testify?

And if you did, how did they keep it under wraps?

Cause we never heard about your name.

We heard about a victim and someone coming forward, but we never put a face to a name.

And I know people who knew, knew, but the world, for the most part, didn't know.

Yeah, of course, because it was protected by law.

You know, we were r worded victims.

So by that means we were protected.

And I liked it that way.

You know, the harassment and the bullying was very, very harsh.

So I'm glad that they protected us.

But that's the only reason why it was by law.

They couldn't do that.

The judge appointed that to be so, honestly.

So were you fearful in that time to, if your name is outed to the masses, like, where it might be more judgment coming down on you, more harassment, things like that?

No, honestly, I just felt like, yeah, of course, that's a big nerve wracking.

But when it comes down to that, I wanted to be the truth speaker.

I wanted to tell my story in some type of way, shape or form.

So that's why I wrote a book on it, so people can hear it and see it.

What's the name of that Book real quick, if you don't mind.

Oh, my book is called Lesson Learned Wisdom Granted by the Divine.

There you go.

We're going to talk more on that.

And for those that don't know, you are, I don't want to use words like whistleblower, because that's not what it is.

Again, you are a victim in this situation, but you, of course, are the person who initiated where Nature Boys arrest came down.

But you're also, you know, a proud mother of Solar.

Solar's child, which is.

Your child's name is Azuli Rose.

Yes, man.

Beautiful.

Thank you.

And we've had Solar on this couch before.

We've had Velvet, we've had Chaka.

We've had some people to tell the carbonation story.

And I feel like your story kind of matters probably the most, because without your story, you know, things might still be going on as, you know, regular schedule programming, but, you know, we seen the Nature Boy sentence before we even get started.

In your story with, you know, as far as how you got to carbonation, things like that, the sentencing itself, were you surprised?

No, I wasn't surprised, but something in me was a bit shocked as well.

To the jury actually giving the R word charge a chance, because I thought that Ali Hill's lawyer created reasonable doubt for some reason.

You know, a lot of people, a lot of people online.

Excuse me.

It's kind of touchy for me.

No, please, take your time.

Trying to downplay my experience, try to, like, say that it didn't happen, call me a liar, all these things.

And for me to hear the jury say guilty, it was.

I don't know, it was something in me that didn't know how to take it, if that makes sense.

And then when I saw the faces of the victims, the other victims on the zoom call after their impact statement, smiling at the judgment, at the sentencing, that's when I knew that, yeah, this was a good thing this happened.

You said you didn't know how to take it.

Were there things about.

Did you watch the court case?

Did you watch the.

I was there the whole time.

The whole time.

So you've seen the prosecution, you've seen the defense go through the testimony.

Did it start making you almost feel like, was I, you know, our word?

Was I assaulted?

Did you start creating doubt in your head, like, based on the law of what is considered.

Am I reaching too high of what happened?

Well, at first, before the trial, like, everything before the trial, like when it first happened, when he first was arrested, that's when I was just like, oh, my God.

Like.

Cause people was bombarding me with, oh, you're a liar.

Oh, this didn't happen to you.

Oh, that didn't happen to you.

And because we was already in carbonation, that's what Alijio did to us all the time.

Gaslighted us and make it seem like our reality wasn't our reality.

So I had to question myself, like, what does that really happen?

Did it happen?

Yes, it happened.

Yes, it happened.

So I had to go to therapy, and I had to explain to her my story each and every time.

What happened?

What happened?

Go deep into the depths of my story and which I write about in the book.

And with.

Through therapy and just talking it out, I was able to understand that, yes, it did happen.

And it's okay to say that it happened.

A lot of people don't understand that because what we go through is so traumatic.

We're not able to speak about it in that moment in time.

And a lot of women don't speak about their story.

So when I was able to just come out and tell the authorities and actually go through therapy and understand, yes, it did happen, and, yes, it's okay for me to say it happened, that's when I'm like, I took my power back, and I'm like, yeah, I can stand firm in this now.

So, yeah, he did that, and, yeah, the jury did a great job.

So going through the therapy, were you able to get through the therapy and understand what happened?

And are you able to speak about it now?

Is it.

Yes, absolutely.

Can you.

I know it's going to be a little difficult.

Can you kind of walk through us?

Like, what kind of happened that day or the days?

Well, what I want to do is just say that it's in the book.

Okay.

And that's all I want to say.

I want to walk.

Because that is.

Even writing about it was very hard for me.

I had to stop plenty of times.

Right.

And it was very difficult for me to relive that moment.

And I'm not going to relive it with y'all, because it is a very deep, deep, dark moment.

But so I'm just going to let that be known.

It's in the book if you want to purchase it on Amazon.

So can I ask you, the jury, was it mostly females?

Was it majority men?

Was it white, black?

What can you say?

It was a mixture of people.

It was definitely a mixture of people.

Based on who it was, did you feel like it was in your favor or Alejio's favorite?

I couldn't even tell that.

I think it was fair.

I think it was all fair, honestly.

He got the verdict he got because of his own doings, because how he behaved throughout the whole trial.

And the jury saw everything.

They saw his movements.

They saw his facial expressions.

They saw how he wasn't willing to participate in his own trial and try to fire his own, you know, what is it called?

Representation?

Yes.

Yeah.

So, no, they saw all that.

And also they saw me.

They heard the other victims that came forward.

Thank God for them, you know, and they did what they had to do.

And I'm pretty sure they're sleeping pretty well at night right now.

Did you see his actions?

You said you were there.

I was there the whole time.

Did you see his mannerisms?

Were you like, man, he's not taking this serious?

Absolutely.

He would look back at me a lot, you know, and I.

It's not surprising.

We lived with him, you know what I'm saying?

He's been this way for a very long time.

He just had this grandiose personality.

It's all about him and what he wants and, oh, everyone else is wrong.

So it wasn't surprising to see him just, you know, nudging off what people did and just looking at us weird when we told the truth about what actually happened to us.

So how hard was it to face him and look him in his eyes?

Like.

At first, when they told me to point out, you know, who did.

Can you point out, identify him?

It was.

It was something.

But I got through it, you know, I did what I had to do, identify him.

And then I went in the back and broke down, like, that's.

That's all I did.

Yeah, that.

I believe you.

And I'm so curious.

When you do look at him and you do point out, does he look back at you?

And when he looks back, is he trying to look into your soul, or is he still trying to control you through his eyes?

He's still trying to control, you know, what he did.

He smiled at me after all that.

I.

That familiar smile.

Yeah.

Like, after all that, after all that was said, after everything he's.

He just said, and I.

Ooh, I'm just leaving at that.

Oh, man.

He wants to, in that very moment, wanted just to have.

Be in control, like, why, you know.

So they offered him what I thought they offered him five years plea deal, but you mentioned, you know, now that we can talk about it, it was really seven years they offered him.

And with, I guess, maybe a decade of probation.

Um, he denied that.

Yes, He Did.

Why do you feel he denied that?

Just knowing him.

Knowing him and knowing the case.

Knowing the case that you were presenting, you know, that you're actually saying, hey, this is what happened.

Yeah.

Why do you feel like, man, I could probably, you know, this.

No, no, I'm not taking that.

Knowing him, he just didn't think he did anything wrong.

He always thought whatever he did was justified because he's God.

That, you know, is.

Because it's his own world.

We came in his world, so he can do whatever he wants.

I'm his property.

His women is his property.

That's what he thinks.

So that's what he was saying in an interrogation video.

If you listen to it.

I'm not sure if you listen to it.

You have to listen.

He told on himself, basically.

He basically told what happened.

And he's talking like it's normal to people who's like, this is not normal.

Yeah.

Like, he was like.

You know when I really thought that he was actually crazy is when in the interrogation video, he was just like, oh, everyone knows me.

Natiri is a thing.

And I'm like, what are you talking about?

I've been trying to get with Solar the whole time.

What do you talk about?

We're a thing.

We're not a thing.

You're building me hostage as your prisoner wife thing.

You know, And I would always tell him, like, I want to be with another man.

You know, it was very traumatic for me.

But, yeah, that's when I noticed he was crazy, is that he was telling people in the interrogation video, this is normal.

This is my life.

Yeah.

This is.

What is the word?

I live my life in public, you know, and these are my property.

This is my girl.

So I could do that.

It doesn't make it right.

I think it needs to be in the middle of the ocean to have, like, no jurisdiction.

But anyway, get on a boat.

Let me ask you this.

He denied that.

You said he had another plea deal when trial started for 30 and he denied that.

Yeah.

Which I kind of understand.

Like, all right, if you denied the 7:30.

We're going to trial.

Like, we're gonna go there.

Yeah.

Would you wish before, like.

Cause most victims of what you've been through don't wanna really have to tell their story in trial.

They wish.

Take the.

I mean, take whatever's supposed to happen and let's not go through this.

But he chose to go through this.

What was your thought process of him saying, let's take this to trial, knowing that you'll have to probably be Involved.

I have done so many things to prepare myself.

I did a lot of meditation and prayer.

I got a lot of confirmations from my folks, the people that supported me, my friends, the T genier, my mom, my family.

Just, you know, stay firm.

You got this.

So I just felt like, okay, I got this.

So that's why I went to do it.

But I actually felt that way.

I'm not going to lie to you.

I kind of felt like, oh, my God.

Because when he was going to take the.

Was discussing taking the plea deal during the trial, I kind of felt a little bit relieved.

A little bit.

Just a little bit.

I was like, okay, well, if he takes the plea.

And then he didn't.

So I'm like, all right, well, let's go then.

You want to play this game?

You're strong for that.

No, again, I like that attitude.

You're strong for that.

With that being said, he ended up, of course, the judge, as you stated, based on his demeanor, because, mind you, he was found guilty.

Like, you said you were surprised that the guilty murder came down, but it's still up to the judge to sentence.

And he had a woman judge, and she said, I watched you this whole trial, and you pretty much made a mockery of this trial.

You were not serious.

You're laughing.

And she watched him, and, you know, he probably doesn't know, but she's clocking all that and just taking it all in.

For them to give him a life plus 10 without the possibility of parole, do you feel like he deserved that?

Absolutely.

Absolutely, positively, 100%.

Okay.

Before, I was like, before I knew what it really meant, I was like, dang, that's.

That's harsh.

But he was harsh.

He did a lot of bad things.

And there's people online sympathizing with him.

Oh, this is a black man.

They want to take us down.

No, it's not that.

He was a sinister man who played off as a good guy.

I'm really a good guy.

No, you weren't.

Because if you were, you would show that.

You would do things to show that.

But he would torture the members of his culture.

Jaguar Wright said they need, instead of him getting life, they should put a bullet in his head because he's going to go out and do this to more people through the jail system, teach more nature boys.

Do you agree with anything like that?

I would never agree with killing or.

I don't know if you're allowed to say that word.

Yeah, okay.

But I do say a life for a life.

He has taken lives within his cult, I see it as that.

He told a woman to stop taking his medicine.

Stop taking her medicine.

Rest in peace, Mama Dia.

He had told a young woman to drink while she was pregnant.

Killed a baby in the womb.

Rest in peace, baby love.

A life for a life.

You.

And not even just those lives.

You tarnished a lot of other people's lives, Humiliated them to the point where they couldn't go back to their families, to their regular lives.

Nothing, you know, like a life for a life.

So if they did sentence him with.

Let's just say if they had the death penalty, you'd be for that?

No, I mean, I.

Like I said, I'm not against killing, but we can get off of that.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Just make a sense.

That's not me.

There you go.

I do believe in karma, though.

I believe in karma.

And this is what he gets.

Cause of his karma, he put.

It's his own platter that he served to himself.

Okay.

That's what I'm gonna say.

So let's do it like this.

Let's tell your story.

Because, you know, for those that look into things like a carbonation or a cult or a sex cult or whatever you want to call it, and I'm sorry, I don't want to say sex code, but, you know, what is considered for you.

Can you give us a little backstory?

We like to find out as far as.

Did you have mom and dad in your life?

Did you have siblings?

And what got you into looking into the carbonation or melanation at the time?

What got you into the hands of Alysio or hands of that entity?

Yeah.

What lured me into carbonation?

Yes.

Okay.

With my parents.

They're Jamaican, so.

And so they came here, but my parents weren't together.

Me and my mom are more close than me and my dad.

My dad, I didn't really know him like that.

My dad was a rolling stone.

He was a rolling stone.

He was.

So he had his women, and he showed favoritism to some of his kids.

For my dad, I don't know him like that.

So I did develop daddy trauma, if that's what you want to call it, so abandonment issues as well.

All that trauma stemmed from childhood and not really having a parental figure as a father, guiding me in the right direction made me go towards men to get guidance from them, you know, So I seek that guidance in my relationships.

And that's why it was so easy for me to go to narcissist to narcissist.

Just Having some kind of person, like, some kind of control from a man over my life.

So I do it, and I figured that out during therapy.

So I feel like, you know, healing myself from that, knowing that I don't really need to go through it to a man for that guidance, knowing that God lives within me, father, mother, whatever you want to call the God figure that lives with us.

I can go to God for guidance and healing and nurturing and love.

And also I can have my family as well.

So one thing.

Daddy wasn't there.

People could look into that and say, we could see a dad saying, hell, no, you're not going.

And, hell, no.

Someone like a Nature Boy.

I wish.

Yeah.

So what age were you when you got interested in carbonation?

And what made you become interested in what they were doing?

Right.

So I would say around 23.

23.

22, 23.

I'm 29 now.

You all do the math.

My head was.

I was like, oh, shit, I'm stuck.

So, yeah, around that time.

So I'm still, like, young and everything like that.

So I came across carbonation because around that time, I left the church.

I was seeking God.

I was seeking guidance, clarity on my life.

I was seeking direction.

And I didn't really know where to go after leaving the church.

I left because there was so many things in it that I didn't see, resonated with me.

And I was humiliated by the first lady.

And it made me sad to see that Satan was in the church.

So it made me feel like, you know, no, I know the Holy Spirit, God walks with me, and I'm going to have to try to find this in my own way.

Then it's a spiritual awakening.

A lot of people's online telling, oh, I know this and I know that, go this way, go that way.

And I listened to Ralph Smart, and I went to Chanel Cooper Sykes.

And then my twin sister happened to have Nature Boy on her phone, and she showed me a video of Nature Boy, and he was talking about the Prototype woman, the woman that he was, you know, into with his direct Yaya.

He was with Yaya at the time, and it was called Melanation at the time.

So I looked at him, and I saw what he was teaching and preaching.

I resonated with it, thought that he was talking about me.

You know, I resonated with the prototype Woman, like.

And I was just like, you know, what?

What if he's talking about us, me and my twin sister?

Like, what if he's talking about us.

So I started to watch him some more, and I started to watch the people who followed him.

The people who followed him were so passionate about what they were preaching and teaching.

So I started to do what they were saying and, oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

It made me, like, feel so good to be in nature and find God in nature.

And I felt like I had a purpose again by just preaching, like, what I'm going through and experiencing.

And so that's what got me caught in carbonation.

Did you not.

Did you see anything or any warning signs, any flags that you just seen early on when you kind of start, like, did you see anything that made you say, like, this might not be right, but throw caution to the wind?

Yeah, absolutely.

So, for one, I did see a demonic essence and presence on nature boy at first.

And it made me feel like, I don't know about this guy, you know, but the angels, the people that was around him, they were cool.

They didn't look as bad.

So I was like, you know what?

This don't look because they're there.

It might.

It might be good.

So.

Which he did that a lot.

He let the people.

His people recruit people in.

You see how that works?

So he don't look so bad, you know, so that makes sense.

You send out the five horsemen, do the devil's work.

Let me ask you, you said you were humiliated by the first lady at church.

Yeah.

What happened?

Basically, what happened.

I was so passionate about church.

I was in the choir.

Sorry if I cry.

It's because it's very touching.

When I found the church, I was, like, so broken one day.

I was just crying and bruised up.

I had a fight with someone I loved, and I just found the church and I walked in and I sat in the back, and they welcomed me in and they sang.

They didn't know me from a can of paint, but they welcomed me into the church.

So when that happened.

Excuse me.

When that happened, I stayed there and I joined the choir, and I did everything just to, like, you know, be in the family, in the community of the church.

One day, the first lady, which she always.

She would tell me that I'm not ready yet to speak on the mic or speak to the people about my testimonies with the Holy Spirit, because I was experiencing a lot of spiritual, spiritual awakenings and a lot of things with the Holy Spirit.

And I was being blessed left and right, left and right.

And I wanted to be a testimony for the church.

So when the pastor called out, does anybody have a Testimony, you know, I was like, I get up and I'm like, I got a testimony.

I want to be a testament to God.

And, ooh, this sagged my heart.

The pastor was like, oh, not you.

I meant the older people in the church.

He met the elders, and I looked at him like, I might be, like, young, but I know God and I know the Holy Spirit, and I know what the blessings in my life has done for me, and I want to express that.

So when the first lady took the mic, she says, I just want to give my props and big ups to the people that's actually in church school.

So basically, she had told me one time that if I want to speak, I have to be going to church school.

And, yeah, that embarrassed me really bad.

And then she had the audacity after church to look me in my eyes and say, I didn't mean to, you know, embarrass you.

I didn't mean to.

I was just saying that I love.

And I saw Satan right through her.

Like, it's in her eyes.

And if that disarrant.

That had disheartened me the whole time, I was just like, something's wrong with this.

So that's when I stopped going to church because Satan could be in the church, too.

And all through it slithering around.

So I just was like, it's not safe for me here.

So let me ask you, nature boy, did you meet him overseas?

Did he meet him in the States?

How did you get introduced after you did your research and kind of, oh, I think I could be a prototype woman.

Did you go to him or he come to you?

How does that work?

Oh, man, it was a.

I would say it was a back and forth, you know, he doesn't remember this, but I remember my first time ever speaking to him, and I was afraid to give him my natal chart because that's what he asks for.

He give.

He asks for your natal chart to see your energies and how it fits with the group and everything.

But it's basically a tactic to know who you are and know how to manipulate you.

So I was scared to give that to him for some reason, because I was just like.

I heard people can place voodoo on you if they know you're charred and stuff.

And he was like, how are you not going to trust me, but you want to come here?

That ended then.

Secondly, this.

We got into contact when I was in Thailand.

Velvet wouldn't allow that conversation to go any further, though, because that's when he was with Velvet stuff.

And then he wanted to they both Velvet and Nature Boy wanted to recruit me as their wife while they were in Belize.

So.

But I didn't go there because I didn't want to run out on a traffic bill or traffic ticket or whatever like that.

So, yeah, it was a back and forth.

But yeah, that's how we got into contact.

I was basically a fringe member at first.

I was part of the Frequency family.

Basically what a frequency family is, is a family of people who's on the same thought frequency as you.

So that's how carbonation had, you know, people online being their members as well, people outside of carbonation.

There's the inside carbonation and there's the outside carbonation.

The outside carbonation is called the fringe members.

So I was one of those, you know, living my life, doing whatever I did with carbonation in mind and the principles in mind and living the principles, but not in the physical group yet.

So I went off and did my own thing in Thailand, and I lived in Thailand for five months, living the knowledge and, you know, doing all these things, carbonation, like.

So did I answer that question?

You answered that perfectly.

But we're going to get to.

How did you actually then meet him in person?

Okay, so I met him in person when I was in Atlanta, Georgia.

I was working at Tilly's Raw Reality Shout out to T.

Sealy's.

I love that place.

It's a raw vegan restaurant.

And they walked in, the members, which was the men, because the men did the work, you know, they get.

They went out and did stuff at that time.

And the women stayed at home, I think, at that time.

And so Alijo and his men walked in and I instantly knew who they were because these were people I watched for years.

And so we all met each other.

He was flirting with me and stuff like that.

And basically he told me to call him.

I never called him.

But the members stayed in touch with me because I always was in touch with them in a way, on and off in my journey.

So one of the members was named was Tron.

Tron reached out to me.

And me and him were talking like, you know, trying to get to know each other a bit.

But I would always tell him I didn't want to be with him.

I saw him as a friend, but he still pursued.

So that's what the men in carbonation would do.

They would pursue the women get them in.

But when they.

The women get in, Nature Boy takes them.

So, yeah, basically.

So that he basically learned it, women through the men.

So I didn't see it as that.

As then I thought it was just people, like, it was Tron and Solar trying to get me in at that time.

And so we all partied together, me and the tribe.

And after that, I couldn't get them out my mind.

And I actually was like, you know what?

Forget this trip that I'm going on to Bali, because I was going to go to Bali, Indonesia, to be a yoga teacher.

And I said, you know what?

I'm going to be in carbonation instead, because I'm being recruited by Tron and Solar, and they're telling me that it's my purpose to be in carbonation and my purpose to be with a family, a soul tribe, and, you know, live out my dreams or whatever.

So I was just like, you know what?

Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

So I went to carbonation after that.

You booked a trip.

You already had your passport.

Well, of course, you're already in Thailand.

You just said, I'm gonna go where they're at.

They were in Bali.

They was in Atlanta, Georgia.

I was gonna go to Bali.

So it was either Bali or carbonation.

Okay, so while they're in Atlanta, you were like, I'm just gonna stay here and in Atlanta with them, whatever they're doing.

Yeah, exactly.

You said you have a twin sister.

Yes, I do.

And she was interested as well, or she was looking with you.

She was looking.

And she.

After.

She wasn't as interested.

No, she just was looking.

And I took an interest because I started to live what they were saying.

I started to go out into nature, and so I started to find God in the experiences that I was having with nature.

And I was like, you know what?

I could dig this.

Okay, so a lot of people who follow the carbonation story, they know, like, when you say a year, they know what was going on in carbonation that year.

So what year was it for you when you said, I'm gonna go?

Mm.

Mm.

Before COVID or after Covid?

Before COVID Right before COVID Like, literally at Covid.

Like, literally.

So that's how I got stuck there.

Got to get you stuck.

You got to quarantine with who you with.

Yeah, exactly.

But that's what he was preaching as well.

You know, he.

This is perfect.

Yes, it's perfect.

He was just like, yes, find your soul family and study with them.

So I was just like, oh, I'm supposed to stay here.

Yeah.

I could see back then, people thought the world was going to end.

Yeah.

So it's like, hey, might as well do it with who I'm with.

With your family.

Yeah.

Tell us about, you know, again, you're.

You're in Atlanta.

This is all Atlanta, Georgia, right now.

At what point, you know, how was it in Atlanta being with carbonation?

Like, were they just a house?

Yes, it just is a regular house.

Yes.

Whose house was it?

It was a woman named Mama Cookie.

Like, Mama Cookie had a house for us to stay in.

And people were everywhere.

We slept everywhere.

People slept in the basement, people slept in the living room, people slept in the dining room.

People slept upstairs, right by the staircase, on the floor.

Yeah, we were packed.

It was like 25 of us in that one house.

So what was your day to day like?

Cause this is, mind you, I can understand when people say, like, we were out of Belize and Hawaii doing all this nature stuff, but now you're just in Atlanta, or what did you wake up in?

Like, what is the day to day like?

Well, you had to stay busy.

You had to be doing something, you know, for the mission.

Whether you're recording yourself, talking about the knowledge that he preached, he's supposed to regurgitate what he says, vibratum, or you're, you know, making music.

You know, carbonation is a production, you know, thing.

Music production.

And so there were people in the basement, in the studio all day, too.

And then the women would cook.

You know, that took about like the whole day.

And then, you know, then you can draw, you can color, you can do art.

You can also study.

I studied every day in carbonation because I wanted to know the knowledge and stay on the frequency, because if you're off the frequency, you get shunned, you get, you know, ridiculed, or you get, you know, pointed out.

And I didn't want to get pointed out.

So is everyone friends?

Sorry, that's a sensitive.

I wish there was, like, more closeness with the family.

He would separate the men from the women a lot.

When I got there, the men and women were separated and it was taboo for the women to speak to the men.

So I didn't know that, though.

So when I started speaking to the men, I was reported.

And to the.

To the king, or to the.

Excuse me, I'm going to call him the king, because that's where I was at the time.

He was the king and he was the chief and he was the God of the home.

So they would report me to him, and I was just like, I don't see what the problem is.

And I almost start crying because I'm just like, we're just being normal.

We're being human, you know?

And after that, he changed that rule so everybody can be together again after I made that complaint.

And then he takes the woman away from the man again.

Yeah, he would do that constantly.

Yeah.

I wish we were closer, though.

Was there a punishment for talking to men?

Not just for you, but just for anyone.

Like, for, like, unless I secretly say hi to somebody or wink at somebody.

And I don't mean just, you know, no, it's fine.

I'm just looking at, like, from a normal standpoint, like, if I try to go out and reach out to somebody, is there a punishment for that?

I believe so.

Like, later on, later along the line, there was punishments, you know, I remember that he would put me in the corner because he thought I was looking at Solar, which I was looking at Solar.

Was he looking back?

Yeah, he literally saw me looking at him and he was like, you want to go in the corner?

I said, oh, snap, let me just.

Nah, I'm good.

But he would put people in the corner.

You stood in the corner.

He only put me in a corner, like, twice.

And I said, only because he would frequently put people in the corner for hours.

Can.

You know, for those that may not know what the corner is.

Okay.

The corner is literally going in a corner, staring at it for two hours or more, depending on how he wants to punish you that day.

And just being there with your own thoughts, you're not.

You're not able to move.

You're supposed to sit, stand silent, stand on your feet for two hours looking at the walk.

Can you sleep?

I mean, can you doze off?

No.

And if you still.

You can't doze off, some people would, you know, nod off and stuff.

But people get in trouble.

Yeah.

Like, did you ever see him break his own rules?

All the time.

There was never no punishment for him.

No, no.

He would change the rules.

He would be up and down.

He would take the rules away and put new in whatever he saw fit at the time.

At one time, we couldn't smoke weed.

Not after he smokes weed.

Everyone can smoke weed, you know.

Did you give a reason behind the rule changes?

Like, today I saw a butterfly.

I'm just.

I mean, like, was there, like, some.

Something behind it that gave it.

Maybe he would have, like, some, like, relevation or how you said a word, like, sometimes.

But he would Just be at whim, at it.

Because he just does what he wants and he want to be able to do what he wants.

Like, yeah, if the women were in a relationship with a man, if he wants to have sex with you that day, he would tear you apart from that relationship, which he did to me.

How does he tell you apart from that relationship?

Basically?

Oh, he was very strategic, for one.

He would.

The whole day, he would probably.

For me, what he did was try to persuade me into like sleeping with him.

And if I'm like, I don't want to do that, you know, I'm with Solar or whatever.

He was trying to woo me by putting on this, this get up or whatever or Casanova stuff.

And then he'll go to the man and say, nah, I don't think the relationship's working.

Da, da, da, da.

He just gossiping to the other men.

Yeah.

And just getting in the man's ear.

And then.

Well, if getting in my ear didn't work, he'll go to the man and get in his ear, which he did.

What do you mean?

Just to have them act funny around you or something.

I wrote about it in the book.

I believe that he got a rush out of taking the women away from the men.

I think he got a confidence boost and a rush from doing it because he was so insecure himself, you know, so he didn't like the women giving men attention.

He wanted to be the almighty king.

Everyone has his attention, everybody has his prayers, you know.

So were you attracted to nature, boy?

Alysia?

Like, was there attraction there?

Not initially.

At first.

At first, I did not see him that way in the slightest, you know, I just saw him as a teacher.

That was my teacher, you know.

Of course, throughout the duration, especially with Stockholm syndrome, you develop feelings, you know.

So for me, I started to see him outside of how I used to look at him as just a teacher and just a, you know, guy, you know, I didn't really.

I wasn't attracted to him, you know, Solar was more of my type than he was some reason, I don't know why, but he was.

But later along the line, I developed deep Stockholm syndrome feelings and I saw him as attractive, I guess.

I don't know.

Solar said on the couch, he said, I still think he's the Messiah.

What?

Solar said that?

No, he did not.

Yeah, he.

He said that.

He said that.

So, like, at that time, how did you see him?

Did you.

When he would say these things like I am the messiah or something, did you believe this or.

There was Always a little voice in my head that was saying, like, no, he's not.

But we were being persuaded so much that we were, like, forced to believe it.

So then I started to believe it.

I remember one time we was in the home and he put on praise and worship music, and we were all bowing at his feet and praising him.

And I start crying because in that moment, I truly believed that he was Jesus Christ.

He.

That's how.

What was he doing in that moment?

Just sitting there?

Was he speaking?

If I showed you, you would laugh.

I would like for you to show me.

He's just walking around like, oh, like Mufasa.

Like, chin in the air.

Yeah.

Like, I don't throw out a thing.

It's laughable now, but at the moment.

But he was really playing into it.

Like, yes, yes.

Like, he was.

You guys have no idea.

He brainwashed us.

It was manipulation, brainwashing and all that.

At its finest.

And that's what makes him dangerous.

And I want to say this.

Cause Solar sat on the couch that, you know, while he was in jail, he was talking to Alygio, and Alysio told him to go in a corner from the phone.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

And he said he was about to.

And then he's like, wait a minute, you're in jail?

But the fact that he was about to even do it, it shows.

Like you said, the brainwashing, that even just the voice of someone not being here.

Like, I don't know if it's punishment or, like you said, blessings or curses, but, yeah, no, that's it.

Yeah.

He actually.

I talked to him on the phone while he was in prison.

He reached out to us and he was trying to get through me.

I was like, hold on.

I was like, bro.

I was like.

He's like, yeah, what's your name, bro?

Who's your son?

Yeah, he's like, what?

Your son's like, hey, bro, look.

Hey, man, do you want to do an interview or not?

It was like that.

Yeah.

That's the type of thing he was.

I know he's doing that.

Wherever he's at, I know he's doing it right now.

Absolutely.

I know he's introducing himself and asking people, hey, what's your sign, man?

So let me ask you this, because.

Let me ask you, because, you know, this is what you're speaking on.

I know we're moving around geography wise, but for what you.

And for what you saw in Solar, was there other men that were attracted to you because, you know, you're an attractive looking lady to where you're young, you're in this.

Like, that's why is everyone a family?

Is everyone friendly?

Because I could see someone saying, hey, like solar.

Like, hey, I like her.

Or someone else say, oh, man, that's you.

But man, I want to talk to her too.

Was there other people, like, vying for your attention at the time?

Yeah, there was a time where he had a meeting, Elijah had a meeting, and he would do this frequently and people would, you know, say who they liked around the circle.

Yeah.

Didn't matter though.

But.

He didn't want to see, like, let me see who the fuck.

Who I'm gonna take next.

Yeah.

And that's crazy.

One of the.

One of the people whose name was Loyal, I dated him.

He rest in peace.

Loyal.

He's no longer with us, but he liked me.

And then there was another person who liked me, and then another one came up to me and told me he liked me and he saw me as attractive, but he couldn't do nothing about it.

And I wasn't gonna do anything about it.

So I just, you know, left it.

Alone at the time.

Who was so Nature Boy with.

Is this just Velvet or did he have multiple wives at this time or.

So when I wasn't around as much, when Velvet was around, I would say that Velvet left, you know, sometime after I came the first time because I've been in carbonation three times, so I've left in and out of Carbonation three times, and so has Velvet.

But around the times where I was there, she wasn't there.

So she was there when I was there the first time.

She had was there, left and came back when we was in Hawaii.

So.

But majority of the time when I was there, he was with Malia.

Malia, do you hold anybody responsible?

Like, that was on the same level as Nature Boy that had that same intent?

That could have been just as worse as him.

There's a lot of people that were just as worse as him.

There's a lot of people I'm talking about in carbonation.

Oh, I mean now, I mean, there's, you know, speculations that, you know, my baby, the father of my child.

Right.

My baby father could be just as bad.

I think that a lot of us was tarnished from him by Alicio, but I don't think anyone is just as bad as him.

He's just really cruel.

We're Talking about a 40 year old man who took advantage of a lot of 20 year olds, you know, so.

Do you think he would have eventually would have came to the point of killing people or anything like that.

He would talk about.

Ooh, ooh.

I remember he said to me one time, he looked me in the eye and he said, said, I could kill you if I wanted to, but I'm not going to.

That.

That was crazy.

And he used to tell Malia that he would kill her if he tried to leave.

And then he would do these, like, serious.

What is it called?

Suicide pack things where he would say, like, if something happened to me, what y'all going to do?

And he expected us to say, we going with you, you know.

Oh, yeah.

So, wow.

Does that ever make you worry about, like, what's in the Kool Aid?

What's in the food?

I never knew about the Kool Aid.

I never.

Like, we didn't know it was a cult.

Like, people would say, it's a cult, but we would.

Because of the whole.

He would say, a cult is a culture.

And we're like, oh, yeah, we're bringing culture to the people.

Yeah, we're a cult.

You know?

So he made it seem like it was something not to really look into, you know?

But, no, I didn't even know about Jim Jones.

I didn't even know about Charles Monson.

I didn't know about different cults.

If you would have known, would you have looked at it any differently?

Like, if you had the knowledge behind the Jim Jones?

The.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know, because by that time, I was already indoctrinated.

So can I ask you this?

What was his steps to brainwashing from your experience to that?

Like, I'm sure he had a system.

Absolutely.

He had a recruitment system.

So basically, for 30 to 90 days, you were supposed to isolate yourself from, you know, society and your job and everything of that nature from people which you consider your Babylon family.

Babylon family is your blood relative.

So relatives.

Excuse me?

I said relatives.

So relatives.

So basically, you're supposed to listen to him, his teachings.

You're supposed to, like, literally sleep to his voice, you know, on all these are.

These are tactics for mind control.

Just making sure that y'all know that.

Like, literally mind control.

So then he would say, get out into nature.

Go sleep in tents, you know?

Then he would say, document your life.

Basically go on a screen and start proclaiming the kingdom of God.

So basically saying, shout out to my chief Lihio, the Christ, the God and my Lord and Savior.

Now, this is the message that he wants me to tell you.

Basically, by not saying this is the message you want me to tell you.

This is the Message of God, basically.

This is the message coming from him.

So, yeah, there was a lot of recruitment things, but isolation was one of them.

Sleeping to his voice, listening to his voice all day, being in tune with everything that he's doing.

So you have to watch him on live, and he goes live all day.

Y'all had WI fi or wherever y'all, everywhere has.

Yeah, you know, I'm talking about the recruitment.

What is called recruitment system.

So that means initiation.

So basically, before I went to.

Yeah, this is what I did.

And this was what brainwashed me in the first place and got him into my subconscious mind, which is how he was able to control his people and still able to do that now, because he's in their mind now.

So you did it every.

You know, the rules of initiation in.

I'm sure people came there after you, and you witnessed them having to go through the same thing, them having to do the same thing.

Were you encouraging that they do the same thing?

You yourself?

I don't think I was encouraging it that much, but I would encourage them to be like, stay focused, keep the knowledge, you know, and this is what we're learning.

This is what, like, if people came in, I'm teaching them what we're learning in carbonation, and I'm teaching them their narrative chart.

I'm talking about the five sciences that.

Which is the curriculum that carbonation had, you know, I had to study every day.

So I wanted them to study with me.

You know, that's what I would do.

I would talk about, and I would just, you know, also make sure that they're okay.

You know, I like to get deep with people.

Yeah.

All right.

And real quick, how long were you with carbonation overall?

I was in and out of combination for about three years.

And you said you left two times or three times you went back.

What was the reasons that you went back each time, if you don't mind, just a quick part.

Yeah, of course, for the first time I went to carbonation was to be with the family, of course, because I was being told that that's what was my purpose instead of going to Bali, Indonesia.

So that's the first time I went to carbonation to be with my frequency family.

The second and third time, I wanted to be with Solar, so I went to go be with them, but that never happened.

Okay, so this is where we might go a little left, you know, because we hear things.

So you speak of initiations.

We heard about situations of.

What is it called?

Downloading, I think it's called where you Download the man nature boy.

Semen you gotta download.

Oh, God, yeah.

What is that?

Basically what he taught.

And I wrote about this in my book, too.

That's so crazy you asked that.

It's DNA.

Semen is DNA.

And DNA is like memories.

DNA is like all your information.

So he has to him, right, he had the God genes, the superior genes of the earth, you know, the indigenous original man.

That's what he said he was.

So to sleep with him was to connect with your higher self, connect with your God like self, and to sleep with him and get transferred the semen into you, that's you taking the download.

We considered our vessels as devices, basically like computers.

And we're like the software of this on this Earth, basically.

So we upgrade, right, when we take his semen, Basically, that's what he was saying.

So this is during an intimate encounter.

Was there ever a situation where he's like, this is not intimate.

We're just going to put it in the cup and pass it around.

Ooh, I did hear about that.

He did say to the men that.

Yeah, he said to the men that they would have to start taking his semen too, because the women would take his semen.

Thank God I never had to, you know, take his download through there.

Thank God, because it's nasty.

But.

But yeah, he did start to say later on to the men that they're gonna have to start doing it.

I don't think they did, though.

Okay, so when people look at carbonation and say, this is a sex cult for what you want to speak about, when people say that, why would they say that?

And when they say that, what do you say to that?

That this is a sex cult.

Now, I actually absolutely agree, because I didn't know what a sex cult was until it was explained to me.

At first I was like, a sex cult.

No, we're just a family living our life in nature and being the elite and the chosen by God.

What are you talking about?

But then when they explained to me and I saw what was going on, it's a sex cult because the women that come to carbonation, you have no choice but to sleep with Elijio eventually.

And he let that be known.

Like, no, everybody, all the women have to sleep with me here.

So that's why.

And plus, also, there was so many, you know, switching around with people, you know, getting couples together and then tearing them apart.

So people were sleeping around with each other at one point.

At one point.

Is it a situation where it's like group sex?

He would have threesomes no other men.

It's just him and like, hey, I'm gonna bring two ladies in.

Or is it like, hey, you know, insert man's name here?

Yeah, it got crazy during the end.

Like, that's when I left.

But I've seen online that he did invite.

I don't know how to explain it.

How do you say them Transsexuals?

Yes.

Is that respect?

That's a respectful term.

That's a respectful term.

Okay.

All right.

So he would invite transsexuals over, and then the men would be in the room.

So he had men in the room with the trans.

The transsexual woman and had the transsexual woman suck them up or something like that.

There's a video out there.

Out there like that.

Yeah, I seen this.

Someone put a screenshot.

I've seen a video where you see.

Well, I guess it's trans.

I don't.

You know, transsexual.

You see four men standing over the transsexual.

I'm like, what do you guys want?

You see Alijo?

You see so far there too.

Yeah, he's.

I think he's behind the camera.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I know he did.

I know he did the dude with her, because I was there one time when she came over and they were doing the do.

Oh, it's like one person that were like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One.

Like, one.

I believe the same person came over and did that.

That video with them.

I think.

I think that's what happened.

But, yeah, there were group sex.

When it comes down to threesomes, he would put on a show, basically, sometimes with.

I know.

With me, you know, I was the.

He liked to do certain things with different people.

And for me, he liked to put on a show with me.

I guess that's how he liked to be.

Like music, candles.

You mean preparation before, like.

I mean.

And this is the only time I'm gonna say.

And I'm gonna leave it alone.

Cause now that I'm transitioning out of that lifestyle, I don't like to be so intimate about my personal intimacy.

This is the last time I said he would have women on each side of the bed dancing while he's performing his sexual act.

That's what he liked to do with me.

So I guess.

I know the way you just moved your hands just now.

Yeah, that's what they.

Interpretive dance.

Yeah, like.

Like that.

Yeah, that's what they would like.

Yeah.

Wow.

Was.

Was this like, safe sex going on here?

Or is it, like.

That's why they called it a sex cult, too?

They didn't believe in protection.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, yeah, I know what comes with that.

Yeah.

A lot of stuff that shouldn't be even mentioned or even, like, dawned upon, like, come with that.

Yeah.

So I have to ask you, because, you know, we did talk to Velvet and the part of her story on this couch that kind of really got people like, you know, they were.

One part was Momma Dee, which I don't think you were there for the Momma Dee story.

But what was.

From your knowledge, what did you hear about the Mama Dee store?

I know you mentioned the pills and stopped taking her medication.

What was your knowledge of the Momma Dee scenario?

Well, from my knowledge, he told her to stop taking her heart medication because she did have heart problems.

And then she stopped, which I believe, because we didn't believe in medication from, you know, prescribed from the doctors either.

In carbonation.

That's what he preached.

Like taking herbs or just being natural.

Not even just taking herbs.

Just being natural and just eating from the earth and grounding, you know, will help with that.

So he told her to stop with her medication.

And then one day, she just end up being dead in the.

In the tent.

That's what I heard.

Well, to, you know, to his defense, Shaka went there and did everything natural and beat cancer.

So wouldn't she kind of believe to do that?

Like, that.

That could work, of course, but it just wasn't the right way.

You know, there's a certain way to go about it.

If you're gonna do that, there is a precaution, there's a list.

You have to start doing.

There's.

There's precautions with that.

You just don't stop taking your medication and do nothing.

You stop taking your medication and start taking herbs.

You know what I'm saying?

You start doing teas, you start eating.

Right.

Start eating alkaline, you start, you know, doing the sun, you know, and the grounding and stuff, and deep breathing.

But you don't just stop taking your medication and that's it and just live.

Like, you got to do the work to heal yourself.

So he didn't know or have any knowledge of that, apparently, and he just let her die.

The.

When we hear about, you know, passports being taken, IDs being taken, was that a thing like.

Yeah, you have to relieve that to him.

Yes.

You have to give your money.

The first thing is, you give your money, you get put in.

Whatever you have.

Like, hey, whatever you have like if.

Even if it's $5, you put in the pot, that's what it's called, a pot.

And it goes towards the collective, but really it goes towards him and what he wants to do in his shenanigans for that day.

But then, then you give away all your belongings, your possessions no longer belongs to you.

It belongs to the tribe, it belongs to the cult.

So everyone, if you have a lot of clothes, like I did, I had a lot of clothes, now it becomes, you know, everyone's clothes.

No one asks you, just someone's just wearing your blouse or something.

Yeah, it's a community thing.

So they just, you know, and I enjoyed it.

Then is the documentations.

The documentations get taken and stored with, you know, certain people or the 18th or whatever, whatever have you.

So, you know, we always talk about, you know, or not.

We always.

But we speak on, like, the damaging things of carbonation of coal.

There were some good things that you founded that, correct?

I mean, was there a time that you felt like, this is life.

I am alive and I'm living my best life right now.

And how long were you in that, you know, euphoria?

Well, of course, there's a love bombing stage with every narcissist, right?

So he would take us out to trips and fly us to different places and take us to nature reserves.

And, you know, that was a nice part of it, you know, and then we would throw parties out of nowhere.

That was a nice part of it, you know, but those don't really last long at all, you know, Then you get secluded, and then you're expected to work, work, work, work every day do something that's, you know, building him up, you know, like what can you.

What kind of work?

Like what.

What were people doing?

I know the men for sure had to put out like a video every day of him, like putting stuff together and of him, like videos of him and audios of him and putting that out.

And then the men had to do music every day, putting out the message, you know, to lure people in with.

Through music.

Right?

That's something you gotta watch out for.

Brainwashing and manipulation through music.

And then he.

The women, like I said before, they had to cook, but also had to pick out his clothes, iron his clothes, pick out his foot water or his face water, you know, stand by his side, whatever he needed to, you know, he need.

And if he don't want you by his side, go somewhere else, do something different.

You had to stay busy in carbonation, because if you're not Doing something, you're looked at as what's wrong with you.

Like, you're not on the frequency.

We stay busy here.

Can you complain?

Like, does anyone complain?

No, never.

You're supposed to have the highest vibrational frequency of thought, right?

So complaints don't live on that frequency.

So basically, even if you're feeling turmoil inside, you're not allowed to express that.

You have to have the healthy perspective or a higher perspective, basically.

What about if you're sick?

A call for stomachache.

What do you.

What happens there?

Well, if you have a physical ailment, it's because of your thoughts.

Yeah, basically.

In carbonation, if you have a physical ailment in your body, if you're having pains, if you're sick, if you have, you know, eczema, if you have allergies, it's because of you're thinking negatively or you're not applying the knowledge, or you're not facing yourself or your demons.

So what about, what about the diet is.

Are.

What are y'all allowed to eat?

What, you know?

Well, we only eat once a day and then we snack throughout the day.

Right.

Or, you know, it just depends, actually, because it would switch up.

Could you get like McDonald's if you.

No, I wouldn't even get McDonald's.

No.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

No.

Like, let's see, you would have to eat what the people them cook, you know, you had to eat what the women would cook.

Or did nature boy eat everything that was cooked?

Or did he ever.

Did you ever see him eat something that he wasn't supposed to eat?

Sorry, I had a flashback and it was really gruesome what happened.

One time he was served meat that wasn't organic.

So basically you were supposed to eat organic, you know, but he would serve meat that came from somewhere, so he called it mystery meat.

And since Aya was the head cook and she prepared the meal, she got the punishment.

Of course, he smashed her head into the wall.

And because he was so angry that she.

He was fed mystery meat and yelled at her and all that stuff.

So it's traumatizing to witness the abuse, right?

I'm not going to say it's just as traumatizing to experience the abuse, but to see it, it's like, oh, man, it's not right, man.

It's not right at all.

Are you able to speak on some of the physical abuse you might have seen and what that might have, how the person who may have received it, how they did receive it?

Like, did they just be Quiet.

Did they fall in line?

Did they fight back?

Can you speak on anything you might have seen?

Yes, for one, I know that Velvet was on this show.

I haven't really seen her get hit.

That's the narrative that I want to clear up on this show, that she keeps saying that these women saw me get abused and did nothing.

I didn't see her get abused.

It's when I heard she was abused.

That's when I started speaking up about carbonation with Shaka in them.

But I did see Malia, and I did hear Velvet and Alihio go at it in the room, but they would have sex right afterwards.

So I don't.

I don't know what about that, but, you know, that's traumatizing in its own.

Malia, man, he slapped her.

So silly.

Dizzy one time, she lost feelings in her hands, and her hands were, like, crazy like this.

And then I witnessed him whipping Malia with a belt multiple times.

Like, I'm telling you, up to 50 to 100 times, I've seen him get whipped by a belt, slashed on her back, told her to get on the floor on her face, and then told her to get in the shower, get wet for a second, get back on the floor and start whipping her and says, oh, this is starting to feel good.

And he starts smiling.

Now, that was crazy.

The physical abuse was mad when it came down to the queens of carbonation.

Now, the mental abuse is also bad as well.

During that time that Malia was getting whipped, she was also forced to kiss our feet and tell us that she's sorry for trying to leave naked.

This is around the time I told y'all that he tackled her to the floor for trying to run out the door naked from.

Trying to run from being abused from him by him.

So, yeah, there was a lot of abuse on the women.

Of course.

I've seen a lot.

What about the man?

Like, did you see him abuse men also?

Because we see him smacking people on camera.

Was that something off camera that he would do also?

So the men I didn't really see get abused when I left, that's when he started abusing more or showing.

Showing the abuse online more.

That's when I left.

I didn't know that's what he was doing until he placed that revenge point on me.

That's when I started to look again, like, what's going on?

Because people are saying this and saying that, and I saw that he was abusing the men.

Now, when he would abuse the women, the queens, what did the man Do.

Did the man just stay around?

Did they hear, did they try to come up there and be like, hey, is anything okay?

Or they just sat there.

No one was allowed to do anything about it.

They just sat there and watched.

It was okay.

There were videos that we do see where I specifically remember one where he told the women, the queens, to, hey, slap her, slap her.

We had, I believe it was Jaguar.

Somebody came on the couch, and I think it was her who said they would just put on for the camera to show that, hey, this is what's going on.

And I don't mean the abuse part, but just do things for the camera.

Like, it became a show.

Almost like, hey, we have to.

Yeah, for Bego, we have to record.

We have to do this.

And I think I seen another one where the men had to carry him to the bathtub.

They had to crawl towards him, you know, wash his feet and do some things that I'm like, it's not becoming.

And there was one specific one where he was kind of degrading a Caucasian boy, a Caucasian male.

He was just degrading him in front of everybody and just saying how he was the king and he's God.

I remember seeing that when I.

When I see things like that.

Again, this is after he's already arrested.

And, you know, you just Google carbonation from what you know, from your time there.

Was that.

Let's just say, even if you didn't see it or from you hearing about it, do you feel that's something that majority was happening a lot, or is that something that would be one offs?

Like, it'll be great, 30 days and then one day the monster will come.

Out and have to, oh, the monster was there all the time.

It would be great for what, a few days, three days, maybe the most word, like not even four.

The monster was there.

Like, he would be mad and angry a lot and just stomp around and then he would turn into this sweet angel and say, I love you guys, and all this other stuff.

But the monster was there a lot.

Sorry, I just went somewhere else.

Yeah, no, whenever it's funny, we're speaking on these things.

And again, thank you again, because we're asking you to relive moments that, you know, either you've seen or even, you know, for people who haven't seen it, just think of the darkest places it could go.

And, you know, there you.

There you have it.

It was carbonation.

It's.

It's the show.

He was talking about the show.

Yes.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Basically, yeah, it was like, we were his monkeys, and we had to entertain y'all, regardless of how we felt.

If.

Excuse me, it.

Because it was.

It wasn't fair, you know, if we didn't feel like, you know, going to the camera that day, we would be recommended or we just be looked at as funny.

We'll be talked about all this, you know, mental abuse.

And then it would get to the point where you can stand in the corner or you just, you know, not on the frequency, whatever.

But, yeah, we had to put on a show, but it was actually our.

To me, it was our real lives, you know, we were just living.

And there'll be times where he put on scenes, you know, like, and the women had to dress up and we had to sing for the camera, whatever we had to do, dance for it, whatever.

Sometimes that was a fun part for me.

I like to showcase my talents with the beautiful women in the tribe that actually had good talents.

I wanted to showcase that with him.

But, you know, to the point where he's now trying to make money off of our humiliation.

He would like, put, like, these shows on called Real Nigga Moments or, like, the Dr.

Bishop show, and he would basically, like, try to do therapy with us, but it was basically humiliating us.

So it's just like we became his monkeys in the circus.

How was money being made through carbonation?

Was it through online?

Like, you know, Bego, was it.

Was that the.

Did that become, like, a financial source?

Like, hey, we have to stay active because this is the money?

Well, the women were very in the dark about that.

I.

Me, myself, personally, I didn't really go.

I didn't know anything about the finances.

I just lived there.

But from what I know, it's like a lot of PPP loans or scams or, you know, a lot of donators, people who donated because they loved the show, they loved the whatever we was doing, the frequency.

They love the family.

But, yeah, it just turned from a mission and a purpose into a entertainment show.

And that's what he said he wanted to do.

He wanted to put on a show, but it wasn't really a show.

It was our lives, you know, that's how I felt.

At least if someone wanted to leave, like, you left a couple times.

Just if someone wanted to leave, what's the procedure?

Like, you could just get up and say, I'm gonna head out.

Can I have my passport back?

It was different for each individual.

If he liked you, you're not going nowhere.

You're not going nowhere.

He's just like, you're not going nowhere.

He just make up reasons, oh, I can't find.

So when with the Queens of Carbonation, which was Malia and Velvet, they had their documentations taken away so they can just leave willy nilly and their phones and everything like that.

And he would try to like force them to stay, possibly R rate.

Sorry, R word them basically, and, you know, just coerce them to stay or so.

And if that didn't work, because those two were kind of violent, you know, he would push them away, you know.

Yeah, just give them, give them the stuff go and then they'll come right back.

Because manipulation.

Yeah, serious manipulation.

Yeah.

I want to go back to the trial a little bit.

There was people that testified for him, like, you know, why, why do you think they did that?

Like, knowing that all this stuff has happened and you can, you know, watch it on camera, him slapping him around and they say, oh yeah, he still the messiah and all that stuff.

Why do you think that still goes on in.

Because they believe it.