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Arguing with a Nutter When Pregnant #08
Episode 8 • 26th February 2024 • DiabeticReal • Deborah E Anderson
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Deborah E shares the challenges she faced during the first high-risk pregnancy as a type 1 diabetic. She recounts her interactions with her highly-skilled and highly-intelligent perinatologist who had some strange ideas about abilities to control insulin once it enters the body, leading to a ban on self-administration. 

Deborah also reveals the lengths she went to attend a family event, where she and her husband were to be honored, and the dangerously low blood sugar episode that the hospital was sure meant a trip to the morgue. 

Join us as we unfold the unique trials and triumphs of managing diabetes during another pregnancy in this compelling episode of DiabeticReal.

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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 05:27 Doctor surmises the ability to expel insulin.
  • 07:56 Challenges for tight diabetic control for baby.
  • 15:31 Leaving hospital AMA for planned honored event.
  • 21:13 Lab worried that Deborah had died.
  • 23:35 Closing

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Deborah E:

I'm living inside of this Perfectly Wonderful World.

Deborah E:

He assumed that when I would give a shot, that I didn't

Deborah E:

want to have diabetes anymore.

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That I'm willing it, I'm literally thinking about it so hard, that I'm

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willing that insulin to seep back out of my skin, out of my body.

Deborah E:

Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking the same thing as you.

Deborah E:

I'm thinking he's a nutter.

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Deborah E:

It seems we are on a roll covering pregnancies

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with these podcast episodes.

Deborah E:

Just a second.

Deborah E:

I got to readjust the pumpy here.

Deborah E:

Yeah, I named my insulin pump.

Deborah E:

We call her I think most the time the gender is her Just

Deborah E:

just for fun and call her pumpy.

Deborah E:

Anyway, I'm gonna move her out of the way She kind of wanted to be center

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stage and she'll have her turn But um, so we're covering pregnancies and the

Deborah E:

last episode we covered my daughter's pregnancy I'm trying not to say names

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for the sake of, of the kids, because they didn't exactly ask to be named.

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But, and it wasn't that I wanted to go in opposite order, but, uh, she's my, my

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baby, she's my youngest, and now we're going to go to, uh, her brother, who's

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actually older than her, but that fit with the episode that was before that.

Deborah E:

Um, and it made sense.

Deborah E:

But anyway, let's get to the story instead.

Deborah E:

So, this one, this one was kind of interesting.

Deborah E:

It was obviously a high-risk pregnancy, just like the one last week that

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we're talking about, the last episode.

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Uh, any type 1 diabetic is a high-risk pregnancy because there

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are extra concerns, obviously.

Deborah E:

And more so years ago.

Deborah E:

You know, it used to be that, well, as we covered in the last episode,

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always had to be a C section, never an option for, for a regular delivery.

Deborah E:

With this first pregnancy, had more challenges for many different reasons,

Deborah E:

but let's, we'll, we'll go through them.

Deborah E:

First of all, the doctor.

Deborah E:

Now, the doctor, I'm, you know, I'm going to actually give him a name.

Deborah E:

It's not his real name, but I think it's a name that several

Deborah E:

of you can probably relate to.

Deborah E:

How many of you are fans of the show that was on, let's

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see, was it around 2009 or so?

Deborah E:

I'd have to go look it up.

Deborah E:

I'd go Google it right now, but Dr.

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House, if any of you know that show, he was a, um, diagnostician.

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Uh, played by Hugh Laurie.

Deborah E:

Anyway, he could be a pain in the royal butt as far as

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personality, but brilliant man.

Deborah E:

That was the character on the show, because it seems like he always figured

Deborah E:

out, well, you know, I know it's, as my husband say, honey, it's television.

Deborah E:

He always figured out what illness or what was wrong with the person, whether

Deborah E:

it was no illness or not, figured out what, what was wrong with the person.

Deborah E:

But personality-wise, he could rub people the wrong way.

Deborah E:

Well, I swear this perinatologist that I had, you know, and perinatologist, he

Deborah E:

specializes in high-risk pregnancies.

Deborah E:

So they are, they're serious specialists.

Deborah E:

When I say serious, this particular Dr.

Deborah E:

House that I had, he had done in uterine.

Deborah E:

Surgeries on fetuses.

Deborah E:

Now, I'm just gonna say, "baby."

Deborah E:

I mean, you get to that point where you are operating on a little person.

Deborah E:

You're not operating on a fetus that's going to be aborted.

Deborah E:

You're operating on a little child, on a little, little human with the

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intent of saving that life to be born.

Deborah E:

And that is some serious surgery.

Deborah E:

I mean, you've seen little babies after they've been born?

Deborah E:

Little tiny fingers, little tiny toes, little tiny everything.

Deborah E:

Can you imagine how little tiny that is in uterine?

Deborah E:

We're talking microscopic.

Deborah E:

Well this, this doctor that I had, brilliant doctor, he's surgeon, and

Deborah E:

he operated on babies in uterine.

Deborah E:

So the man was brilliant.

Deborah E:

Personality?

Deborah E:

Oh, I could not be married to that man.

Deborah E:

Anyway, so I was not complaining as far as having him on my case.

Deborah E:

Well, okay, that can be taken in a couple different ways.

Deborah E:

On my case, yeah, I didn't want him on my case.

Deborah E:

But I mean, on my case as far as a patient.

Deborah E:

There was this one incident near the beginning of the pregnancy, and my doc,

Deborah E:

like I said, I'm going to call him Dr.

Deborah E:

House, so I'm not revealing his name for his privacy's sake.

Deborah E:

I don't know if he, favored, you know, thinking that he was a psychologist

Deborah E:

or what, but he thought, well, with the number of years that you have had

Deborah E:

diabetes, you resent having diabetes.

Deborah E:

So therefore, as kind of a, to get back at the diabetes, you're actually trying

Deborah E:

to force the insulin out of your body.

Deborah E:

Now, I'd already been through a lot of experiences, and, and you'll

Deborah E:

hear some more stories as far as the experiences I'd been through.

Deborah E:

I'd been through diabetic ketoacidosis and almost died, and that is an awful.

Deborah E:

Awful, awful experience.

Deborah E:

I think you've heard me tell you about that.

Deborah E:

It is just, it is so painful.

Deborah E:

I mean, I've said before, I don't wish that on anybody to die that way.

Deborah E:

And it's like, why would I ever, ever want to push the insulin out of my

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body and not utilize the insulin?

Deborah E:

I mean, this, you know, the episode that you heard about cooking the

Deborah E:

insulin, it's along those lines.

Deborah E:

I wouldn't want to cook the insulin because it makes the insulin not work.

Deborah E:

Same thing.

Deborah E:

I don't want to push the insulin out of my body.

Deborah E:

And if you're all sitting there going, Huh?

Deborah E:

What is she talking about?

Deborah E:

Pushing the insulin out of her body?

Deborah E:

Yeah.

Deborah E:

Yeah.

Deborah E:

That's exactly where I was when he's saying, You're pushing

Deborah E:

the insulin out of your body.

Deborah E:

I'm looking at him and saying, What?

Deborah E:

On Earth?

Deborah E:

Or, you know, WTF?

Deborah E:

Pushing the insulin out of my body and he said well you you're at that

Deborah E:

point I wasn't on an insulin pump yet Now if if you heard the last last

Deborah E:

week's episode you heard that I was given an insulin pump Medtronic on the

Deborah E:

second pregnancy and I've been on an insulin pump ever since yay Medtronic

Deborah E:

yay Minimed It's actually the pump.

Deborah E:

But anyway, the first pregnancy, I was still on insulin shots, just like

Deborah E:

I'd had when I was first diagnosed.

Deborah E:

So, at that point, we were doing four shots a day.

Deborah E:

We were, you know, trying to manage it as tightly as possible because for the

Deborah E:

sake of the baby, we needed this diabetes to be super, super tightly controlled.

Deborah E:

And He assumed that when I would give a shot, and the insulin would

Deborah E:

go into my body, that I didn't want to have diabetes anymore.

Deborah E:

So then I would psychologically expel, like I would, I would will that insulin

Deborah E:

that I just pushed into the tissue.

Deborah E:

Because you're putting it into the subcutaneous tissue in your body.

Deborah E:

It's not going IM, it's not going intramuscular, it's going subcutaneous.

Deborah E:

Just that, that first layer, you know, the skin, that I'm willing it.

Deborah E:

I'm, I'm literally thinking about it so hard that I'm willing that insulin to

Deborah E:

seep back out of my skin, out of my body.

Deborah E:

Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking the same thing as you.

Deborah E:

I'm thinking he's a nutter and he needs to go see a shrink because I do

Deborah E:

not have superpowers, I promise you.

Deborah E:

I don't have superpowers.

Deborah E:

I don't have any ability to make insulin seep back out of my body.

Deborah E:

In fact, you know what?

Deborah E:

I was so curious about this, this thing that he's saying that I'm

Deborah E:

doing, that I, I actually tried it.

Deborah E:

I tried it.

Deborah E:

I put insulin in and then I sat there and I looked at the spot

Deborah E:

where I put the insulin in.

Deborah E:

I made sure that my, I was at a point where I could handle it so

Deborah E:

that if I succeeded, I was okay.

Deborah E:

And I thought, okay, I'm going to will this insulin back out.

Deborah E:

I couldn't do it.

Deborah E:

I sat there, I'm willing you to come back out, I'm like, I'm crazy, I

Deborah E:

couldn't, I couldn't will it back out of myself, I couldn't do it no way, I

Deborah E:

could not have done that to save my life.

Deborah E:

So maybe it's a nice thought and somehow psychosomatically people can do it, I

Deborah E:

don't know, I don't want to argue with the man, he is brilliant, I don't want to

Deborah E:

argue with the thought that maybe somebody somewhere, but even if it is possible.

Deborah E:

It certainly is not something that I ever want to do, or ever wanted

Deborah E:

to do, but arguing with him was not accomplishing anything during our visits.

Deborah E:

So his answer was, because he was bound and determined that I was doing that,

Deborah E:

he forbid me to give my own shots.

Deborah E:

Yes, I was, a little bit of me was hurt, like, you don't trust me to give shots

Deborah E:

to myself after I've been giving my shots to myself since I was eight years old.

Deborah E:

That, that's I was a little bit angry.

Deborah E:

I was a little bit, you know, I was, I felt humiliated.

Deborah E:

I felt, you know, all those feelings.

Deborah E:

You can make a whole list of them and you're probably right as far as how I was

Deborah E:

feeling, but my focus was on the baby.

Deborah E:

I'm not trying to sound like a saint, but really that is the focus.

Deborah E:

Let's get this baby into the world as healthy as possible.

Deborah E:

So we had to, it was a strange schedule, but we had to somehow figure out how

Deborah E:

my mother could come over to my house.

Deborah E:

Yeah.

Deborah E:

Talk about humiliating.

Deborah E:

I mean, here, yeah.

Deborah E:

Yeah.

Deborah E:

I'm living with my husband in my own house, but I have to have

Deborah E:

my mommy come over and give me a shot as an adult woman because I'm

Deborah E:

not allowed to give my own shot.

Deborah E:

Yeah, I should have been rebellious and just snuck it and given me my

Deborah E:

own shot, but I was a good girl.

Deborah E:

I was following the doctor's orders.

Deborah E:

And my mommy, who happens to also be an RN, would come over and give the shot.

Deborah E:

My husband, who up to that point had never given shots before,

Deborah E:

I mean, why would he have to?

Deborah E:

He married a woman who, I mean, I'm very much so.

Deborah E:

I take care of myself.

Deborah E:

You know, I can do it myself.

Deborah E:

I've been saying that since I was a little girl.

Deborah E:

I can do it myself.

Deborah E:

So I always took care of my own health on that one.

Deborah E:

Of course, my husband helped me and supported me, but he

Deborah E:

had to learn how to give shots.

Deborah E:

I mean, the nurse in the, in the office, all the nurses were always sweet, all the

Deborah E:

OBGYN nurses, and they were so supportive.

Deborah E:

I think they thought.

Deborah E:

This was a little crazy too, but they were very supportive and they, they

Deborah E:

taught my husband how to give shots.

Deborah E:

And so my husband would give the shot before he went to work.

Deborah E:

My mommy would come over and do, I think one during the day.

Deborah E:

And then my husband would be home at the end of the day

Deborah E:

and he'd give the other shot.

Deborah E:

And then the bedtime shot.

Deborah E:

Oh, I'm telling you people, I felt so humiliated.

Deborah E:

Anyway, so we got past that one.

Deborah E:

I wanted to fight with Dr.

Deborah E:

House, but it, again, doesn't do any good to fight with him about any of the issues.

Deborah E:

So I just tried to zip it.

Deborah E:

Which wasn't, wasn't necessarily easy, but I think it was a

Deborah E:

learning experience to see if we could learn how to zip our mouth.

Deborah E:

Oh, there was one other event.

Deborah E:

And speaking of events, my mother was having a family event, and it actually,

Deborah E:

my husband and myself, we were the honorees, if you will, and she had

Deborah E:

gone all out, I mean, she'd made all the food, and my mother could cook.

Deborah E:

My mum, if you will.

Deborah E:

I mean, she made little English tea cakes and just, oh, and my parents had this big

Deborah E:

beautiful house, and it was a big deal.

Deborah E:

I mean, there were like a hundred people coming over and the whole

Deborah E:

thing, and invitations had gone out.

Deborah E:

I mean, you would think it was a ball.

Deborah E:

It was equivalent of having.

Deborah E:

And basically we were the honorees.

Deborah E:

We were the guest of honor and I was in the hospital at the time.

Deborah E:

You see, I would be in the hospital for two weeks and

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then it would be out for three.

Deborah E:

And then I would be in for two, and then I would be out for three, and basically,

Deborah E:

they were at the hospital, they would have these suites, they were called

Deborah E:

family suites, they're postpartum floor, and it was meant to be, like, where

Deborah E:

family, you know, you would Have your baby, and then that's where the husband

Deborah E:

could come stay, and, and that's where the baby was introduced to the world

Deborah E:

and so forth, and that's where you could have everyone all set up, there's a nice

Deborah E:

little table there, there's a little couch, there was a, you know, a double

Deborah E:

bed, and there's a whole nice thing, and, and I would actually, they'd set

Deborah E:

us up in the suite, because I would be there for two weeks, it was actually

Deborah E:

a nice room to be honest with you, so when I did stay there for two weeks, and

Deborah E:

all the nurses, They knew my husband.

Deborah E:

I mean, my husband would go to work.

Deborah E:

He'd come, it's kind of funny in some levels, but he would go to work.

Deborah E:

And then when he was done, he'd come over to the hospital and

Deborah E:

hang out there on the couch.

Deborah E:

And we had a little laptop and it it's kind of pathetic and kind

Deborah E:

of funny all rolled in, but you got to go with life the way it.

Deborah E:

You know, the way it goes.

Deborah E:

Anyway, we'll come back to that suite.

Deborah E:

Oh, it was pink.

Deborah E:

It was really, really cute.

Deborah E:

Anyway, so we were all set up in the suite, and the doctor says, No,

Deborah E:

no, you are not going to this event.

Deborah E:

And this event had been planned for like six weeks, eight weeks ahead of time.

Deborah E:

And I thought, can you, can you please discharge me?

Deborah E:

So I can go to this event.

Deborah E:

I mean, the event had been planned before I had gone to the hospital

Deborah E:

for that two week period of time.

Deborah E:

Because like I said, in for two weeks, out for three.

Deborah E:

In for two, out for three.

Deborah E:

And it's not like that was planned, like, hey, it's your two week period of time.

Deborah E:

It just so happened that's, that's how it ended up.

Deborah E:

I was in for two, out for three.

Deborah E:

And he's like, nope, no way.

Deborah E:

And even the nurses were like, come on, Dr.

Deborah E:

House.

Deborah E:

Can't shoot.

Deborah E:

Can't you just let her go?

Deborah E:

And my mother, who, you know, worked for a different hospital,

Deborah E:

but she's like, you know, I can't do anything to you if you go AMA.

Deborah E:

And AMA is against medical advice.

Deborah E:

So, basically, we didn't come out and say we were going to do that, but we

Deborah E:

kind of, yeah, you know, hinted, so the nurses knew what we were going to do.

Deborah E:

And I got all dressed up in my little, in the suite, got all dressed up

Deborah E:

in the dress, and, and my husband helped me and, and The nurses came

Deborah E:

in and they, they took out my IVs.

Deborah E:

Sort of, it's like, we're not doing this because we're not helping you

Deborah E:

go AMA, but we are doing this because we want to pull out the IVs properly.

Deborah E:

Kind of a strange situation, but then I got dressed up.

Deborah E:

I went to the event.

Deborah E:

I was the honored guest and then we came back and the nurses just carefully

Deborah E:

put IVs, fresh IVs back in and tucked me into the hospital bed and, oh, and

Deborah E:

of course, my mom made up a nice tray of goodies for the nurses as thank you

Deborah E:

and we brought food back and everything for the nurses and they loved it.

Deborah E:

But it was just this, it was never spoken about.

Deborah E:

I think we even brought food back for Dr.

Deborah E:

House, but it was just this, yep, we kind of snuck off, and yet we

Deborah E:

didn't sneak off to the AMA to go to the event and then came back.

Deborah E:

It was as if we didn't leave the hospital, but we did leave the hospital.

Deborah E:

So, anyway.

Deborah E:

I had to have blood drawn every, what was it, four times a day.

Deborah E:

And I'm a hard stick, as they say about me.

Deborah E:

It's hard to draw blood from me, no matter what.

Deborah E:

And all the tricks, all the drink lots of liquid, everything.

Deborah E:

So, we have to make sure they're switching from arm to arm.

Deborah E:

The doctor forbid them to do it from my feet, from anywhere except my arm.

Deborah E:

They couldn't do it from my hand, anything.

Deborah E:

So, What my husband and I were doing is we would, it was a double bed in

Deborah E:

this suite, we would switch sides, so that whichever arm was nearest to the

Deborah E:

outside of the bed, that was the arm that was ready for the next blood draw.

Deborah E:

Well, these poor, these poor, um These poor people that would, I cannot

Deborah E:

pronounce the word, I would try, but you're going to have to Google that one.

Deborah E:

It's, it's a hard word to pronounce, but the people, the people from the lab that

Deborah E:

would come up and, and to do the, the draws, they came over and they grabbed

Deborah E:

my and, my husband's arm to draw blood and he's like whoa whoa whoa wait wait

Deborah E:

wait i'm not the one that's pregnant see this belly and you know it ain't it ain't

Deborah E:

a baby there's no baby in there but i'm thinking can you i do not have a hair

Deborah E:

i mean my husband You know, he's, he's not like, you know, the creature from

Deborah E:

the Black Lagoon or anything like that.

Deborah E:

But I mean, he's, he's got a hairy arm and I do not have a hairy arm.

Deborah E:

And I'm thinking, what do these people think that this woman has a really

Deborah E:

super, super muscular and and hairy arm, but it's like, come on guys, my arm

Deborah E:

is like half the size of my husband's.

Deborah E:

It's dainty and it's not hairy.

Deborah E:

It's, I'm over here people, I'm on the other side of the bed,

Deborah E:

but these poor people, we kept, we kept them hopping, literally.

Deborah E:

Fortunately, my husband caught them before they took the wrong

Deborah E:

blood and realized that they had a non-diabetic male that was pregnant.

Deborah E:

I had been concerned.

Deborah E:

Because of having seizures from low blood sugars that it is possible that

Deborah E:

I would go into a seizure from a low blood sugar in the pregnancy and That

Deborah E:

was always my concern it turns out after both the pregnancies because

Deborah E:

that was considered that was a concern that I had with both of them I found

Deborah E:

out that for some reason now, I don't know if this is for sure I don't know.

Deborah E:

They want to go test the theory, but I guess a diabetic body will not

Deborah E:

Have a seizure while it's pregnant.

Deborah E:

That's what the doctors say.

Deborah E:

I'm not 100 percent sure that that's true for all humans But

Deborah E:

again, I don't think you want to go out there and actually test it.

Deborah E:

What I found out was it will simply die It won't go into a seizure, it'll just die.

Deborah E:

That's probably true, because I had an episode when I was at the

Deborah E:

hospital, we were staying in that little suite, and my blood sugar

Deborah E:

had gotten so low that I wasn't actually feeling the low blood sugar.

Deborah E:

I'd gotten past the symptoms of low blood sugar into giddy.

Deborah E:

You would have thought that I was drunk off my butt.

Deborah E:

I was just super, super giddy, and giggly, and goofy, and

Deborah E:

just, I wasn't making any sense.

Deborah E:

And my husband was there at the time, and thank God my husband was there at

Deborah E:

the time, because I think I was, Getting ready to go take a bath, and he was with

Deborah E:

me, and had I been alone, and the nurses had, usually the nurses go with you, and

Deborah E:

they would have gone with me, but had they not caught it, I would have probably

Deborah E:

crumpled up in a corner, gone to sleep, and I wouldn't be here today, and I was

Deborah E:

feeling off, and so he mentioned something to the nurses, and I tried to do a blood

Deborah E:

sugar, and the, the meter would not read.

Deborah E:

So he grabbed the nurses, and it just so happened that one of the,

Deborah E:

the people's coming up for a lab draw anyway, so they took blood.

Deborah E:

But when, of course, when the meter Wouldn't read the the blood

Deborah E:

sugar and it said it was too low.

Deborah E:

They're like, no, no, you're drinking sugar right now And so they grabbed

Deborah E:

juice and my husband had he we always even though the hospital would treat

Deborah E:

the low blood sugar We always kept sugar soda on the right near the window there.

Deborah E:

Well, my husband had it.

Deborah E:

So it was nice and cool even for him to drink as well.

Deborah E:

We, we, like I said, we were set up like style in there since we

Deborah E:

were there for so many weeks.

Deborah E:

So we grabbed sugar soda and I downed it right away.

Deborah E:

Well, the lab took the, you know, took the blood down to

Deborah E:

the lab and they processed it.

Deborah E:

They called up to the postpartum because I was staying, it's, I'm

Deborah E:

staying in postpartum even though I haven't delivered yet because it's

Deborah E:

not normal that, that women stay before they have the baby like that.

Deborah E:

So it's the postpartum floor, but.

Deborah E:

They called up there, and they were like, Is she alive?

Deborah E:

It's like, is who, what?

Deborah E:

They said, we just checked the blood sugar.

Deborah E:

This blood sugar is 16.

Deborah E:

This woman is dead.

Deborah E:

Oh, no, no, no.

Deborah E:

She's not dead.

Deborah E:

She lived through that.

Deborah E:

She lived through the blood sugar.

Deborah E:

Said, oh yeah, we caught it.

Deborah E:

We gave her juice.

Deborah E:

And they're like, oh, they were scared when they saw how low

Deborah E:

the blood sugar was in the lab.

Deborah E:

And there aren't meters that will read that low.

Deborah E:

But the hospitals, of course, have machinery that will read that low.

Deborah E:

And they caught that the blood sugar was 16.

Deborah E:

So I think maybe the doctors are correct when they say that a diabetic body

Deborah E:

will not actually go into a seizure.

Deborah E:

It just simply has a blood sugar that will go so low that You just expire.

Deborah E:

Any of you pregnant ladies out there, make sure you keep your

Deborah E:

blood sugar up when you're pregnant.

Deborah E:

You do not want to die.

Deborah E:

So we get to a point where I'm delivering.

Deborah E:

Yes, we finally get through this pregnancy.

Deborah E:

We finally get to a point where we're delivering.

Deborah E:

I know a lot of people say, Well, you have no idea how much

Deborah E:

I went through to deliver you.

Deborah E:

And at that, I am going to save the rest of this story for the

Deborah E:

next episode of DiabeticReal.

Deborah E:

And this is Deborah, signing off.

Michael Anderson:

Thanks for listening to this episode of DiabeticReal.

Michael Anderson:

For more information about this podcast, as well as links and fun

Michael Anderson:

stuff related to DiabeticReal, visit us at our website at diabeticreal.com.

Michael Anderson:

Now we'll listen as Deborah E.

Michael Anderson:

herself sings one of her favorite songs.

Michael Anderson:

Song is called Perfectly Wonderful World, written by Denny Martin and Jaimee Paul,

Michael Anderson:

engineered by me, of course, your host, Michael, in our Seaside Records studio

Michael Anderson:

here in lovely Los Angeles, California.

Michael Anderson:

It was on the number one ReverbNation charts for over a

Michael Anderson:

year and still charts very well.

Michael Anderson:

So, have a pleasant moment and listen to Perfectly Wonderful World.

Deborah E:

Yes, I'm living inside of this Perfectly Wonderful World.

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