Are you eliminating too many different foods to help control IBS?
Discover the significance of diverse dietary choices, learn about the benefits of reintroducing fibre-rich foods, and find out how to navigate the intricacies of a gradual reintroduction process.
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When it's time for my gut reset clients to start reintroducing foods to their
Speaker:diet, they often find it quite scary.
Speaker:After all, the reason the food was eliminated in the first place was
Speaker:because it caused digestive issues.
Speaker:After working through my clear process, you can discover it is
Speaker:possible to eat more food than you do now and even enjoy it.
Speaker:I've helped hundreds of people get a better understanding of
Speaker:how food affects them and how to increase their diet diversity.
Speaker:In this episode of the Inside Knowledge podcast, I'll be sharing my experience of
Speaker:reintroducing food to an IBS diet, so you can get back to eating a broad and varied
Speaker:diet and actually enjoy your food again.
Speaker:Hello!
Speaker:Welcome to episode 15 of the Inside Knowledge with me, Anna Matson.
Speaker:Now, first of all, I want to start by saying sorry for my
Speaker:slightly croaky voice this morning.
Speaker:It is a little bit croaky because I have been away for the weekend and had
Speaker:a lot of late nights and a lot of fun, and now my voice is slightly suffering.
Speaker:So, if this is your first episode you've ever listened to, I don't
Speaker:know why it sounds like this.
Speaker:Anyway, I'm going to struggle on if it's too annoying.
Speaker:Skip to the next one.
Speaker:So we're going to talk today about why you have to reintroduce foods, and
Speaker:how to in a way that feels safe to you.
Speaker:I'm never up for pushing anyone to start introducing foods they don't
Speaker:feel ready to, but what I want to do in this episode is explain to you a
Speaker:little bit about why it's important, and then how you can actually go about it
Speaker:in a way that wouldn't feel too scary.
Speaker:You can do it in your own time, wherever you are in the world, with whatever foods
Speaker:you feel like you need to reintroduce.
Speaker:often foods that you're thinking about reintroducing is really vegetables,
Speaker:fruits, wheat often, and dairy.
Speaker:I'd say those are the most common foods that people are excluding.
Speaker:And they are very, very important to us because of the fibre.
Speaker:So when we eat a good fibre rich diet, it's feeding
Speaker:beneficial bacteria in the gut.
Speaker:When you don't eat that, when you have a low fibre diet for the long term.
Speaker:You're effectively starving out your gut microbes of food.
Speaker:And if they don't have enough food to eat, they don't want to hang around
Speaker:in your gut, so it means they go.
Speaker:And this means that other bad bacteria can take over the place
Speaker:of the good guys, and this can lead to further digestive problems.
Speaker:Now, if you're in a situation where you haven't eaten fibre for a long time,
Speaker:maybe you've been doing like a kind of Atkins diet, or even the carnivore
Speaker:diet, which is basically just eating meat and animal products and no fibre.
Speaker:This can lead to a transition period where your body is readjusting and
Speaker:learning to take in the good bacteria again, so it can take a little while
Speaker:to get to a good position which is why I really suggest going slowly so
Speaker:you don't scare yourself off and you don't start some of these big problems.
Speaker:The other thing to be really conscious of is how your anxiety is around food.
Speaker:A lot of people I work with have been avoiding foods for a long time because
Speaker:of severe digestive discomfort, and it's led them to have really bad food anxiety.
Speaker:So, thinking about food a lot, becoming quite obsessive with what
Speaker:is and what isn't included in certain food products, and, the thought of
Speaker:changing it can be really challenging.
Speaker:So there's a mental aspect to this as well as a digestive and kind of health
Speaker:aspect and I think it's really important for you to think about how much of this
Speaker:is anxiety driven because when we're really nervous and anxious that can
Speaker:actually affect our digestion as well.
Speaker:This brings me on to the first Point in the process that I want you to think
Speaker:about what is the right time to start reintroducing foods Firstly like you don't
Speaker:want to do this when you're just about to move house You're going on holiday in two
Speaker:weeks or maybe you're being made redundant to work These are all super stressful
Speaker:things or things that change your routine.
Speaker:So it's important to find a time In your life where you can have some space in your
Speaker:schedule, you can start to plan what's going to happen and also have a little
Speaker:bit of space for if things do go wrong.
Speaker:If you're going to need to take a little afternoon on the sofa, for
Speaker:example, to feel a bit tired, maybe just trying to find a little bit
Speaker:of time in your life where it's slightly less busy and less stressful.
Speaker:Although I would say nearly all of my clients have busy family lives,
Speaker:caring responsibilities and full on jobs, so I know that is hard to find.
Speaker:But when your digestion is calm and you feel relaxed, that is a better time
Speaker:to try to start introducing new foods.
Speaker:So that's the first point, is find a good time for you.
Speaker:Then secondly, you want to be aware that some kind of reaction to food
Speaker:reintroduction is considered normal.
Speaker:So whilst, like I said, you can be quite anxious about changes in your
Speaker:digestion, and maybe a mild increase in gas or bloating and that sort of thing,
Speaker:and those kind of thoughts can really go on to trigger a full blown flare up
Speaker:if you start to become super anxious.
Speaker:So it's normal for there to be some kind of digestive reaction.
Speaker:And this might look like a bit of gurgling in your stomach, maybe a little
Speaker:bit more gas production, maybe, just some changes in how you feel in terms of
Speaker:fullness and satiety, because sometimes...
Speaker:Eating a vegetable rich diet, it's quite bulky, so although it's low calorie
Speaker:and low energy when you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables, there's quite
Speaker:a lot of content, and for some people that feels very uncomfortable to have
Speaker:a full tummy, even though the calorie and energy density is pretty low.
Speaker:So the reason we get some of these kind of gurglings and gas production could
Speaker:be down to gut microbes enjoying the fibre that is finally getting to the gut.
Speaker:This could be a good thing.
Speaker:It might also be down to changes in your bacteria.
Speaker:Sometimes we get changes in bad bacteria dying off.
Speaker:They can kind of throw up a little last flare and the last, bit of gurgling as
Speaker:they put, as they go on their way out.
Speaker:And it might be down to your body just adjusting to certain changes
Speaker:in fats, proteins, and carbs.
Speaker:Some amount of bloating and gas doesn't mean that this isn't working
Speaker:or that you should stop the trial.
Speaker:You need to work out what is mild discomfort, what you can tolerate,
Speaker:and actually what is too much, what's unbearable, and you need to stop.
Speaker:It's really down to you, and so definitely recommend listening to
Speaker:your body and stopping the process if it feels too uncomfortable.
Speaker:Point number three is to take very small increases in foods to begin with, so
Speaker:starting low and slow, and this is often my advice with anything to do with IBS.
Speaker:Don't rush in and start everything all at once.
Speaker:Start low and slow, , with very small amounts of your
Speaker:chosen food and then build up.
Speaker:Now, one way I reintroduce bringing back fibre for those people
Speaker:who have been avoiding a lot of vegetables for a very long time.
Speaker:is something called a microbiome mash up.
Speaker:This is a mash up of 15 to 20 different cooked vegetables.
Speaker:You cook them down, maybe just a small portion of each, but you just mix
Speaker:them up and it goes into, to be fair, quite a brown, gooey, lumpy mash.
Speaker:A bit like baby food.
Speaker:But you only need to eat one to two tablespoons a day.
Speaker:The rest of it can be chilled or it can be frozen in small boxes.
Speaker:This is a strategy that's been used by someone called Dr.
Speaker:Datis Karazian.
Speaker:He works with autoimmune patients to reintroduce foods after elimination diets,
Speaker:and I just read about it once on a blog.
Speaker:Um, but it actually works very well for those people who've avoided
Speaker:all vegetables for way too long.
Speaker:Think about it like you are weaning a baby, so you're
Speaker:literally just reintroducing foods back to your gut microbes.
Speaker:This mash up can, you can add a little bit of salt to it to
Speaker:make it a bit more interesting.
Speaker:You can add any kinds of vegetables, and it's just literally a small amount just to
Speaker:sort of reintroduce and reacclimatize your gut microbes to a small amount of fiber.
Speaker:So, that's one approach.
Speaker:The other thing you could do is to try each food individually, particularly
Speaker:foods that you know are going to be a little bit safer, foods that you're
Speaker:less worried about, just to try to bring things back one at a time.
Speaker:And in this way, you end up with more data about the foods
Speaker:and about what they do to you.
Speaker:Now, the fourth point is going back to episode number three of
Speaker:this podcast, which was about eating mindfully and eating slowly,
Speaker:really focusing on how you eat.
Speaker:During this reintroduction phase, you might find it helpful to
Speaker:focus on the basics of eating.
Speaker:This includes things like chewing your food really well,
Speaker:sitting upright at a table.
Speaker:Trying to get into a relaxed state before you start eating by doing
Speaker:some deep breathing, focusing on diaphragmatic breath, sitting
Speaker:upright, these things really do help because they get your mind into a
Speaker:safe space in order to receive food.
Speaker:And it might sound too basic, but it does make a big difference, so just a
Speaker:little reminder to go back and listen to that episode if you haven't already.
Speaker:My next point is really about working with a trained nutrition professional
Speaker:who understands IBS and SIBO.
Speaker:Someone who really knows about what foods do to your digestion, where
Speaker:to start, what order to do them in.
Speaker:It really helps depending on what you've been avoiding.
Speaker:And someone who understands what these foods can do to you and what what
Speaker:reactions you might be expected to.
Speaker:experience.
Speaker:It's helpful to understand these kind of things as you're bringing the foods
Speaker:back in, but also it's helpful to have someone cheering you on, to have someone
Speaker:supporting you, someone you can ask questions to if you feel like things are
Speaker:not going well, because if you try to do this on your own, and I appreciate for
Speaker:some of you that is the only option, but if you can, working with someone who can
Speaker:fully explain to you what is Okay, and also when to stop can be really helpful.
Speaker:Even if you are not working with a nutrition professional, then you're still
Speaker:going to need to track your symptoms.
Speaker:And the best way to do this is to use a food diary and track your symptoms
Speaker:as you're introducing each food.
Speaker:Now, I did an episode on this previously.
Speaker:And you can go back and listen to episode 6 if you want a bit
Speaker:more details on how to do that.
Speaker:Also, in episode 6, in the show notes, is a link so you can download my diet
Speaker:and IBS tracker, which I use with my clients, and will help you if you
Speaker:don't know where to start with this.
Speaker:The things I want you to look at though is to think about how is your
Speaker:digestion reacting to the food that you've been eating, but also think
Speaker:about your other signs in the body such as has my sleep been affected?
Speaker:What has my skin been like during this trial?
Speaker:Am I bloated all day or just after I've eaten that food?
Speaker:Am I still bloated in the morning if I ate it yesterday?
Speaker:Is the reaction to this food immediate or does it appear a few days later?
Speaker:And also, think about your mood.
Speaker:Is my mood changing?
Speaker:These are sort of slightly tangential effects of food, but
Speaker:I think they're really important
Speaker:it's also good to monitor your stress levels throughout this because if you
Speaker:notice anxiety is particularly high, it's worth recording that in your food
Speaker:diary because, as we know, it can make a difference to how you digest your food.
Speaker:If you're someone who's been avoiding loads and loads of foods and your diet
Speaker:is very narrow, then my last point is to think about how you're going to
Speaker:choose which foods to bring back in.
Speaker:In some ways, It doesn't really matter.
Speaker:It doesn't matter as long as you're eating more variety and more different foods.
Speaker:But, one of the things you could try to consider is, are you just bringing
Speaker:in foods that your body needs, or is it foods that you've been missing the most?
Speaker:Sometimes I ask my clients, What would you prefer to do?
Speaker:Would you want to go for something that you really love, that you want to
Speaker:try, but might be more of a trigger?
Speaker:Or, should we focus on something that I think your body needs and that is missing
Speaker:from your diet, but might not be as tasty?
Speaker:And what I mean by that is sometimes people haven't been craving carrots and
Speaker:they haven't been craving beans, for example, but I think they would be a
Speaker:really good fibre addition to their diet.
Speaker:And it very much depends on the individual and what you like and
Speaker:what you have been eating so far.
Speaker:But try to be, try to avoid being led by your cravings when you're working
Speaker:out which foods to reintroduce.
Speaker:Try to look at your diet overall.
Speaker:Now, for some people, it might be focusing, like I said at the
Speaker:beginning, on vegetables, fibre, beans and pulses, maybe nuts and seeds.
Speaker:For other people, it might be reintroducing fats.
Speaker:So I focused on fiber in this episode, but for you, if you've been on a very
Speaker:low fat diet for a very long time, maybe you need to think about reintroducing
Speaker:healthy fats, and you could start by small amounts of avocado or little
Speaker:bits of nuts and seeds, for example.
Speaker:These are also important contributions to a good, healthy, balanced diet.
Speaker:I thought I might just end this episode with a few examples of how
Speaker:two of my clients have previously reintroduced foods in the past few years.
Speaker:So there's one client, he'd been on a low FODMAP diet for over two years,
Speaker:which isn't recommended because it's cutting out all fermentable fibres,
Speaker:um, and this was to help him manage abdominal pain, constipation and gas.
Speaker:As part of when we were working together, we ran a SIBO breath test, which suggested
Speaker:that he might have had hydrogen sulfide gas producing bacteria in his intestines.
Speaker:Now, there isn't a clear test for this in the UK.
Speaker:If you live in the US, there is a test for hydrogen sulfide, but
Speaker:we don't have one here in the UK.
Speaker:But what we can do is just look at the results and see.
Speaker:They give us a suggestion that you might have hydrogen sulfide.
Speaker:So this was my
Speaker:conclusion from his test results.
Speaker:To address this sort of SIBO, the best approach is actually to really increase
Speaker:fibre, almost to the point of eating a vegan diet., I also suggested he went on
Speaker:a low sulphur diet, so cutting out things like onions, garlic, cruciferous veg,
Speaker:and gave him some supplements as well.
Speaker:And this was...
Speaker:understandably anxiety causing for him.
Speaker:So after years of avoiding fiber, I was asking him almost to reverse his diet to
Speaker:start eating loads of fiber and hardly any meat and hardly any animal product.
Speaker:So, to help his anxiety, we spent a long time talking about how fiber supports
Speaker:his gut health, how it was going to crowd out hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria.
Speaker:And actually he was really brave and he ate a lot of prebiotic foods and he really
Speaker:went for it, in fact, almost too much.
Speaker:He was eating greenish bananas, artichokes, which are particularly
Speaker:high fibre foods, and he went for that microbiome veggie mashup.
Speaker:He really, like, threw himself into it within his limits of
Speaker:what felt comfortable for him.
Speaker:And within a few weeks he had expanded his range of foods quite considerably.
Speaker:So...
Speaker:I suppose my reason for choosing this example was to show that somebody
Speaker:who felt like he couldn't go down this route actually did it, and he
Speaker:managed to get there in the end, to get there to expand out his diet.
Speaker:Another example was somebody who had a long term constipation, and
Speaker:she had been told by a kinesiologist to avoid gluten for 12 years.
Speaker:Well, about 12 years before, she'd been told to avoid gluten.
Speaker:She was eating quite a lot of fruit and vegetables, but eating the same
Speaker:things day in, day out, and there wasn't much variety in her diet.
Speaker:She was really worried about gluten, because she was told
Speaker:it wasn't good for her, because she hadn't eaten it for so long.
Speaker:And so I talked to her a lot about gluten, how it affects the gut, and
Speaker:how grains can actually be a good part of a healthy, balanced diet.
Speaker:So, because wheat can sometimes be an issue on its own, we started out with
Speaker:non wheat containing gluten foods, such as, grains like rye, spelt, and barley.
Speaker:And this didn't really change her symptoms, so she was eventually more
Speaker:confident and was able to move on to eating small amounts of bread made
Speaker:from wheat and pasta and other foods.
Speaker:So she was able to see eventually that eating a balance
Speaker:of Gluten containing foods.
Speaker:It wasn't actually affecting her symptoms.
Speaker:She lost her fear of eating it, which meant she could enjoy eating out again,
Speaker:she was eating better with her family, and just could go for meals with her friends
Speaker:again and enjoy a bit more variety.
Speaker:The reason I wanted to pick out this example is her anxiety wasn't as
Speaker:bad, it was just so much of a habit.
Speaker:It took a while for her to change her thought processes to
Speaker:allow gluten back into her diet.
Speaker:The reason I wanted to highlight it is that Sometimes people can get
Speaker:nutrition advice of people who are not trained nutrition professionals,
Speaker:who don't have any qualifications in understanding nutrition science and
Speaker:that can lead to some Dodgy advice, so please be careful where you're getting
Speaker:your nutrition information from.
Speaker:All right, so that brings us to the end of this episode.
Speaker:If you've got a huge range of foods you've been avoiding and you want to do
Speaker:something about changing it, please get in touch, book a call with me and we
Speaker:can talk about what symptoms you've got.
Speaker:I can share how I could help you as part of my IBS nutrition
Speaker:package, the three month gut reset.
Speaker:I'm doing that currently in a group setting for a quite low price or, one to
Speaker:one individually which is all tailored to you and your different situation.
Speaker:with people all over the world so wherever you are, whatever time zone,
Speaker:hopefully we can work something out.
Speaker:I'm UK based but,, I do try and accommodate people
Speaker:from all over the world.
Speaker:Also in the show notes is a link to my email address, so if you want me to
Speaker:cover a particular episode or there's something you'd really like me to
Speaker:investigate, then please let me know.
Speaker:Happy to take some suggestions for future episodes of The Inside Knowledge.
Speaker:Right, that is it for this week.
Speaker:Hopefully I will have a bit more of a sturdy voice next
Speaker:week, and I will see you then.