Welcome to another captivating episode of Podjunction, where the realms of business and podcasting converge with insightful flair. In this episode, we're joined by James Gurd, a seasoned podcaster and e-commerce maven, who shares his invaluable journey from the initial spark of an idea to the thriving success of his podcast series. Whether you're out for a morning jog, on your commute, or just seeking a moment of inspiration, this episode promises actionable advice and encouraging stories to fuel your podcasting aspirations.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• The Genesis of a Podcasting Journey: How James Gurd transitioned from blogging to podcasting, finding his unique voice in the audio space.
• Just Start - Don't Overthink: Overcoming the paralysis of perfectionism and why the best time to start your podcast is now.
• Practice Makes Perfect: The art of refining your podcast through consistent practice and openness to feedback.
• Adapt and Improve: Utilising real-world experience and listener feedback to enhance the quality and relevance of your podcast.
• Building an Engaged Audience: Tips for growing your listener base and creating content that resonates.
• The Role of Collaboration: How partnerships and guest appearances can elevate your podcast's reach and content quality.

Tune in now to glean wisdom from James Gurd's podcasting voyage and empower your own path to podcasting prowess. Whether you're a novice curious about where to begin or a seasoned podcaster seeking to refine your craft, "The No-Fail Podcast Launch: Easy Steps to Big Wins" offers a treasure trove of insights.

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Hello and welcome to Podjunction.

My name is Matt Edmundson.

Beside me, pointing a finger at the screen, telling me there's

something wrong, is Sadaf.

We fixed it now.

Yeah, welcome to the show.

Great to have you join us.

This is a show where we talk about podcasting, we talk about business, we

talk about how podcasting can help us grow our business and probably all kinds

of other random stuff in between, right?

So yeah, it keeps us busy, keeps us entertained.

That's the main thing.

So yeah, welcome to the show.

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where you subscribe to the show.

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Or I'll be grateful that you did.

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It'd be great to have you join those subscribing to the show.

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Fill out the newsletter form.

It'd be great to see you in there as well.

There you go.

Plug over.

Plug over.

Okay.

How you doing?

Good.

Yeah.

New day.

New day.

New day.

New day.

New day.

So yeah, welcome.

Tell us why.

Why don't you tell people about yourself?

Because it's normally me that talks.

About myself?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You normally ask me a question.

I'm getting in there first.

What is one piece of information that most people don't know about you?

Okay.

Any time today.

Most people do not know about me.

Okay I don't know, Matt.

It's so not known that I don't know it myself.

I don't know what to share.

Like when people ask me that question,

just

to give you some ideas,

things

I will say, my grandmother thinks that the Earl of Sefton was part of

our family and he had to marry, he married a common girl and renounced his title.

Something my grandmother told me before she passed away.

I have not been able to verify this fact.

The Earl of Sefton, by the way, is based in Liverpool.

Oh.

Which is where I didn't, but yeah, it

makes sense.

Near your house..

Oh, okay.

I was near Sefton Park.

. Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

No, Croxteth apparently.

Okay.

There's, apparently, there's a painting of my great grandfather somewhere in some.

I've not been able to verify any of what you told me, and it may have

been that she had one or two cherries that maybe she shouldn't have had.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But she was convinced that at a wedding somebody went up to,

I think it was her grandma.

And told her about her great grand, I don't know, it's one of those things,

if there's a historian out there that can verify or de verify this fact, I

would genuinely love to hear from you.

Anyway, that's one of the things I

was saying,

which is an interesting fact.

That is an

interesting fact.

Shall we move on?

I want an interesting fact from

you.

I don't know.

There's nothing interesting

about

the fact that I can't remember stuff.

Or that you have no microphone technique.

Yes, that is true.

We

were establishing that this morning.

You re recorded some video, didn't you?

For the, and you put the microphone

like that,

because you have to watch the video to see what

I've just done, but basically.

Normally, when you do a podcast, the microphone is pointing towards your mouth

and you tend to speak over it rather than directly into it, like a musician saying

to avoid the plosives but Sadaf, no, she puts her microphone pointing entirely away

from it and goes, Oh, it's a bit quiet.

Oh, I got something interesting.

Okay, go.

Because everyone was laughing at me in the office this morning.

Oh, is that what that was?

I heard lots of raucous laughter.

I wasn't actually in the office, I was in the warehouse, but yeah.

I couldn't find my water bottle this morning,

so in my rush, I grabbed

a vase.

Can I show them?

Yeah, if you can reach it.

So if you're watching the video version of this, you will now see a vase.

Or a vase?

For American cousins on the screen.

Do you say vase?

Not vase?

I do both when it comes to them.

Okay.

And yeah, so Sadaf needed a container big enough to contain

copious amounts of water.

So you got a vase?

Yeah.

Rather than just a really big glass.

Yeah, because they just, the, yeah, the water finishes

way too soon out of a glass.

So something more like this is what I recommend.

Okay, so top tip if you're, trying

to deal with your hydration.

Drink from a vase.

What you missed actually was after you went out, I don't

know where you went, but Michelle came in with one of those big jugs.

You might need this instead, in case you're dehydrated.

Is that what that was?

A really big vase?

Okay, good to know.

Good to know.

And if you're listening and not watching, she has taken the flowers out.

Yes, I'm not drinking them.

What are we talking about today other than drinking from a vase?

Yeah,

okay.

We're talking you had a conversation with James Gurd.

Another legend.

Yep.

And in this segment, he is talking about how he started his podcast and

why he chose podcasting over other mediums, such as writing blogs.

Ah, yes.

The legend that is James Gurd.

Should we run that VT?

Yes.

Do you know what VT is?

Nope.

But I think yes is the right answer.

You work

in this industry, VT just stands for videotape.

It's what they used to say, like in the 80s and 90s when it's like videotapes.

Yeah.

Run that segment, run VT.

And they play that segment.

So let's run VT, here's James.

What was the reason for starting the podcast?

Did you, was it an epiphany one day or was this something that

you'd thought about long and hard?

I wish I'd had an epiphany at any point in my life, to be honest,

I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting.

So if I look at what I'm trying to do, I've run my own business for 15 years

and you have to, I'm not an agency with loads of people, I don't have a business

development team, I'm doing everything, so I've got to win the business and I've

got to do the business and so I have to do business development in some context

and for years I've built up my network through doing like guest content and blogs

and reports for people like Econsultancy I've got a good relationship with.

So I was doing things for other people.

Yeah, so it, their content, but my voice on their platform.

Then I realized that's great and I really do value that, but actually it's not

really, it's not adding anything to.

Value to me in terms of establishing me as a thought leader.

With an assistant voice.

Then I start writing, thinking about writing a blog.

And I don't really like writing.

I've decided, there's so much content out there, written content.

And to write long form content and get people to read it is a massive challenge.

Yeah.

So much drop off in long form content.

And just having listened to a few podcasts and enjoying the format, I thought, do you

know what, actually, I think I'm better.

I think this is better suited to.

My personality and my skill set and how I like to communicate.

And I'd like to be able to not just be me talking, but me guiding the

conversation with other people so that there's a broader perspective

in the content that I produce.

So it was a bit of a pivot towards a moment of, do you know what, let's

see if there is interest and Paul is massively enthusiastic about ecommerce

a wonderful person who's got a lot of complementary skills that I don't have.

So I just pitched it to him because we worked on a few projects

together and he was interested.

I didn't want to do it on my own because I think for me, it was

going to be harder to maintain the enthusiasm and the motivation.

So yeah, I guess that's my rambling way of saying where it came from.

You were in the content creation game at the time.

And you looked at this and thought there's, this is probably

going to be a better fit for us.

So you went along with the podcast.

Was there anything, when you started the podcast then, was there

anything Any, did you do a course?

Did you read a book or did you just go, I'm going to watch this video

on YouTube and jump straight in?

If only I was a professional.

Yeah.

No, I'd listen to other podcasts.

There's obviously, there's so many out there now, I think that's interesting.

When we started planning it back in 2019, although podcasting wasn't

new, it wasn't as popular as it has been because obviously the

pandemic kicked off a load more.

So I've been aware of various ones over the years.

And listened in and listened to what people did and how they did

it and thought I had an idea.

What I didn't know and what we didn't know is the platform.

How, so how would you syndicate it?

How would you record it?

How would you edit it?

The practicalities, because, sitting and talking is easy.

It's knowing that you're doing it the right way, that you've got the

right quality of outputs and that you've got a place that's good.

Because you suddenly realise when you look at the podcasting landscape, there's a

lot of distribution networks out there and there's so many players and how do you get

on those players and what do you do and which ones are most popular and what most

We did some basic research, we got some advice from people we knew at the time.

I wish I'd known all of you guys because we haven't, we connected later

on in this journey with likes of you, for example, I wish I'd known that.

I wish I'd have made those connections earlier and asked the advice.

It'd probably been a lot easier, but yeah, we just, we decided to to pick.

A route which was using Anchor as a distribution platform.

And because somebody else had said that they'd used it and found it quite

easy and to learn on the go, because we thought if we'd spent ages and ages

researching, we'll never start it.

We wanted to get started to, because the biggest barrier was, we can

put this off for a few more months.

So we were like, no, get it live and then finesse it.

Yeah, and I think that's such an important point, isn't

it, if you're thinking, is podcasting right for me and my business?

Fundamentally, one of the key things is you've just got to start, and just

getting out there and just giving it a go, I think you can do that

with mobile phones now, but can I ask, what tech did you start with?

Yeah, before we settled on Anchor, we looked at a couple of

other recording platforms, and me and Paul did a few dummy episodes to Okay.

Get up and record and work out how we do all of the distribution

settings, connections into things like Spotify, Apple, you name it.

And the other ones were okay but they didn't, we didn't find it that easy.

Anchor, because somebody else flagged it and said this one's alright and Paul had

heard of it as well, so we got onto them.

We just found it.

Very intuitive the user interface to get set up your account to upload episodes to,

to connect to the different players where you want your podcast distributed to set

up your RSS to get basic data out of it.

It was just quite easy to use and very low cost.

So for us, we podcast was going and would anyone listen.

For all we knew, six months down, we'd can it.

So yeah, a load of money into the high end.

The most elite platform we could find.

We wanted a platform that gave us the basics.

And we're not pretending to be the sleekest.

podcast on the planet.

We are just like meeting up in a coffee shop.

So it doesn't have to be, the most brand smooth pixel.

Perfect.

I'll focus on content and guests and hopefully, just making sure that the

audio and video quality is good enough so that people can enjoy the episode.

Yeah, no, that's fair play.

It's interesting, isn't it?

That was the kind of route that you went down.

And I'm intrigued by something that you said.

You mentioned you did a few dummy episodes.

Tell me a little bit about that.

Yeah, so because we, I guess, I could ask the same question to you

about how do you settle on the format?

Or how do you decide how you start an episode?

How do you frame it?

How much do you prepare?

How much is it off the cuff?

We didn't have a clue having not podcasted at all.

So me and Paul had done lots of history events and lots of content

and stuff, but we hadn't actually done podcasts before for other people.

So our key thing was what is our format?

It's all well and good having the player and the distribution network.

And having a good, the other thing, yeah, the tech is a good mic.

That's because the sound quality on those dummy ones were shite.

And really tinny room off of MacBook speakers.

So basically, we came to the format of, okay let's do, we want to try out a few

dummy ones to work out how we run this.

If it was an episode just me and him, what would we do?

So we did one where we just turned up on the topic and just riffed.

We did ones where we planned out discussion guides and we then we

started to realize that people were going to jump into an episode with

us just starting talking with no context like this is basic 101.

You wouldn't write an article without anyone knowing what the

title is and what it's about and what they're going to get from it, right?

You go back to your 101s of what customer experience is and then we did the whole

thing, okay, so we've got to frame this, we've got to introduce in each episode,

we've got to set the scene so people know what they're going to get and if it's

not relevant they don't waste their time.

And if it's relevant, they know what's coming next.

So I guess it was just a teaser that we didn't get it right first time at all.

I reckon it took us 12 months to get to the point where it felt polished.

Yeah, that's interesting.

And how many episodes did you do in that 12 months?

Is it a weekly show?

We started off every two weeks because we didn't

want to bite off too much.

Cause again, when you start, you don't know how much time and effort.

And I think one of the biggest, and I'm sure we'll get onto

this, one of the biggest.

Surprises that a lot of people get podcasts is the time and effort

to plan properly, record, edit, get it up, do the marketing.

It's not to be underestimated, although once you've got a process

and a routine, it's quite smooth.

But, so we started off every two weeks and then we quickly realized that if you wait

two weeks, a lot of people have forgotten about it because we're so transient.

Therefore, we decided we needed to go weekly.

And I think after a couple of months, we went weekly.

And then at that point.

We were more focused on getting guests on than we were on really

trying to polish and hone.

The podcast delivery.

So I think that was like, it's like a lot, it's like MVP approach to launching

an ecommerce site is get the bloody thing up and running, working and sell,

then worry about finessing your user journeys and your customer experience.

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Very good.

Welcome back.

Thanks, James.

Great conversation.

The thing I loved about James talking was if you didn't know James, and the industry

that he worked in, you'd go, he has got to be involved in some kind of digital

thing, just because of the phraseology, like MVP, you've got to get your MVP, your

minimum viable product up and running, and then you know, refiners as you go along.

All very sprint, all very good, all very interesting.

And it's just interesting how I think it's very interesting.

He has brought his sort of digital knowledge into how we approach

podcasting, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

So yeah, the whole idea of the MVP, I appreciate there are industries outside

of digital that use the same thinking but that's just the industry that I know.

And it's very, very trendy language.

Yeah.

Does that reflect at all on the name of his podcast?

Re:platform..

His whole business is about helping ecommerce businesses

change their platform.

So if you want to move from the platform you're on to another platform,

which quite often you do if you're an ecommerce business, because you

grow, you develop, it needs to expand.

And so yeah, his company is all about helping you do that.

Those guys do a great job.

And heard lots of good things about them.

Yeah, I, What was your question?

Totally lost track of thought then.

No, you were saying like his lingo that he uses.

Yeah, digital, yeah, replatform.

So yeah, that's what he does.

He's involved in the e com space, the digital space,

all power to him as they say.

Yeah.

So what'd you gather?

He would, I liked what actually you said it in response

to what he was saying that to just start and not overthink it too much.

And then he went on to talk about how they fine tuned it.

Yeah.

As they went.

So they just started and like not with tech, but also with,

what are you laughing at?

No, I'm just, I'm smiling because that's our story.

Yeah.

I'm just thinking that we did exactly the same thing.

We just started and refined it as we went along.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the tech as well as the content or rather the format.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's it's really interesting how our journeys are very similar.

Again, I think this is very much a digital thing.

It's like you just start something, you figure it out as you go along, you pivot.

There's that word again, which I really can't stand.

We pivoted.

But it's, it is very much the case of you start something, you learn something,

you figure out the next step, you try that, you, we call it, I call it

discover, try, learn, and then you go, okay, that worked, that didn't work.

What's next?

And you refine, don't you, as you go along pivot, and so yeah, very digital,

very ecomm, very straightforward stuff.

But yeah, we, our stories, I think are very similar because where our

podcast started and where they've ended up, two very different places.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think something else I'll keep talking about how we're similar,

something else that resonated was that he has small team.

Yeah.

And then doing the daily grind plus business development at

the same time, like trying to hold those two things together.

It's not always easy.

No, not at all.

And he's right in the sense that I think when you start a podcast,

it's easy to underestimate how much work is involved in doing it.

Sure.

But conversely, I think it's also easy to overestimate

how much work you should do in it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because, things like, when it comes to your audio, I remember talking

to a lady called Amelia about this.

Has Amelia been on this show?

She's been on EP.

No, not

on Podjunction, no.

We should get her on this show because she does a podcast.

She's super cool, Amelia.

I really like Amelia.

In fact, Amelia and I are going to do a live stage podcast

recording this summer at SubSummit.

At SubSummit.

Yeah.

Which will be

great.

I remember talking to her about it and she was like, she would record

a podcast episode and they'd spend eight or nine hours on this episode.

And they would edit that episode out.

And they would be like, they would take out all the ums and

the ahs and the filler words.

And yes, you can use AI now, like Descript has a feature where you

can push a button and it will just take all of that stuff out.

And it's on the whole, it's pretty good.

You don't have to do much correction afterwards.

Yeah.

And talk about refining it and polishing it and spending that amount of time.

And I remember saying to Amelia, My challenge to you Amelia is for you to

edit an episode in two hours or wonder and she was like, you are, and I was

like no, you should totally do it in that time, because I don't think you

should take it, especially if it's an interview chat show type thing.

Why would I want to take all the errs and ums out?

Yeah,

because it, I don't know if it makes a blind bit of

difference to the listener because it's like the podcast is 45 minutes

long and I've saved six seconds by taking all the errs and the ums out.

And I think it's more authentic when you leave them in, so you

can over polish these things.

Now, do we do that for reels?

Absolutely.

Because I think short form video, 30 second, 60 second video

has got to be like, bang on.

But for a podcast, I think you can over edit and you can spend way too much

time trying to get everything perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think this is really interesting, you can either be one or the other and I

think, I don't know, what do you think?

How long do we spend on an episode?

Is two hours a reasonable time?

Yeah, actually, I think we're, I think we, we do it quite quickly.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think my, maybe take it into account reels and stuff like

that, maybe takes a bit longer, because as you said, you want it to

be

cut down and it wanted to be just right, because you're trying to get a

message across in just that many seconds.

Yeah.

But

yeah, if you took out, if you took out the short form video, which

I don't know if I would advise doing with the way social media is at the moment, but

if you did, it saves an awful lot of time.

But our process is fairly straightforward, isn't it?

We record the interview, we have a sheet, what do we call it?

A one sheet?

I don't know.

Is there a name for it?

We just call it AMP document.

Call it the AMP document.

Named after the software we've developed called AMP which

we've developed for podcasters.

But it's that kind of thing where we, at the end of the recording and I do

it straight after I've recorded the podcast, cause that's when I remember

I go on there and I go what were my top takeaways from this conversation?

And I'll write those in there.

And then once we've got that key information, the rest of

it is pretty straightforward, I think in terms of data creation.

So we, or content creation rather.

So then we take the video.

We upload it to Descript translate, not translate, transcribes, transcribes a

video, maybe it translates it as well, I don't know, I don't think it does, so

it transcribes a video which gives us a full script and then the other thing

that I do is I look at that podcast and I decide which bit we're going to use for

the reel, now we only create one reel per episode, usually, if people do what

we call the fast track service, which is where they pay us money, we do two reels.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Now we have used software to try and do this.

We've tried AI in the past, haven't we, where we've uploaded full

clips and had AI generate clips.

Which we've then used for Vertical Video.

Which one did we try?

Memento.

Memento.

Memento, something like that.

What did you think of it?

I didn't like it.

Why not?

I didn't, I love the fact that it was trying to do something helpful.

But just like my kids.

They're trying to do something helpful, but they are failing miserably.

But I don't think it was what we need, what we wanted,

like as concise as we wanted.

Yeah, I think AI is getting better at trying

to figure it out, isn't it?

But as things currently stand here in the start of 2024, we do those clips manually.

So we have tried AI, but we think manually is still a better route.

Yeah.

Granted, we could use AI.

And shave off that time.

. And I think we will, as AI gets better Yeah.

At figuring out the kind of thing that we want.

I think at that point we were spending more time going through

all the clips that was suggesting Yeah.

To see if it would work.

And it was easier to just make that alone.

You just, I just want that one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think if you wanted 30 clips and you didn't care about them, you could just

take all of those clips and whack 'em on.

Can you?

Yeah it's one of those things, isn't it, with AI?

AI is both good and painful at the same time, because you still got

to spend a lot of time with it.

Yeah.

So yeah, we do that.

We get the full transcript.

From the transcript, we create the blog post.

Which goes alongside the podcast.

The reason we have the transcript now is obviously it's very good.

Apple just announced with the new update 17, is it 17.

1?

I don't know.

I don't know what we're on with Apple right now.

But I was listening to their webinar last week, went on

to the Apple podcast webinar.

You can sign up for that actually.

Whenever they do their webinars, find out what's going on, but they've just

introduced a transcription service where actually if, even if you don't

upload your, cause you could always upload your own transcript, but now they

will actually transcribe your podcast.

And so when you upload it, they will, you actually have to turn it

off if you don't want that feature.

All right.

So the default is they will transcribe your post.

I think it's only available in English right now.

But they will transcribe your podcast, which obviously is a beautiful thing.

One, because Apple then knows what your podcast is about from an

SEO point of view, which is good.

And also obviously people sometimes hard of hearing, they need to be able

to see, with subtitles, what's going on.

And so why not?

So giving them the transcription as well, it's easy because we've created it.

And yeah, that's our process.

Yeah.

It's a whistle top.

It's a whistle stop to all of our process, but it takes about two hours.

Yeah.

Maybe just over, but not nine.

But definitely not nine.

Don't tell Amelia

it takes more than two hours.

And it takes more than two hours because we do the short form

video, which I don't think Amelia does.

But your actual podcast, actual process of once you've recorded the podcast, getting

the audio done, polished and uploaded to your podcast player, even if you include

the blog post to go on your website, I think it should take less than two hours.

Yeah.

Is that fair enough?

Yeah.

I would say so.

I don't manage production, you do.

Yeah.

No, I think about that long.

Yeah.

That's where Sadaf goes no, we're all taking about

12 hours talking nonsense again.

Yeah, but no, that's where we drifted slightly there, didn't we?

In terms of process.

But yes, the time invested in an episode.

Is quite fascinating in terms of what that is and yeah, we'll get Amelia

on the show and we'll ask her how she reduced it from eight hours to

two.

I'll talk to her about that in the summer.

What else did we get from that?

I'm trying to read my notes.

Yeah.

Good luck.

Do you need glasses?

He talked about being on Zoom.

No, he didn't.

He didn't?

Did he not?

No.

Were you listening to the same episode I was listening to?

How

did he talk about being on Zoom?

No, I didn't get that one.

No, you know what, it's because I'm listening to the

full length episode and yeah.

I'm just drawing some, yeah.

Okay, so he does talk about Zoom.

He does.

On

the full interview, which you can get.

He does.

In the cohort, if you want to flip to the foot, which I strongly recommend you do

with all of these interviews, actually.

Yeah, because he was talking about that in the context of tech.

So that's where I went from there.

So yeah,

okay.

So yeah, go listen to the full interview and find

out what he says about some of it.

I was a bit like Zoom.

But no, all very good.

So yeah, do check it out.

And also I think the final point from what James was saying is it took

him a year to get really to a place where he was happy with his podcast.

Yeah.

It's an important point.

Yeah.

And

sorry, didn't Rich Brooks say that, yeah, do 52 episodes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's quite a common theme.

Actually, you'll notice there's some common themes with the different

podcasters we talked about.

One of the common themes is just be prepared.

We always.

We have this thing when we do the strategy sessions with clients,

we talk about the first 10.

So the first 10 episodes we say on any podcast are going to be utterly useless.

And if you're doing an interview, I say utterly useless, that's probably unfair.

They're not going to be as where you want them to be.

Because in the first 10 episodes, there's some rapid learning going on,

especially on an interview podcast.

Figuring out your interview style, what kind of questions to ask?

How do you come across on the microphone when you're interviewing people?

All those kinds of things.

Yeah.

And so getting through your first 10, I think is the first milestone but

getting to your first 50 is probably the next milestone after that.

And you'll hear these sort of common things with podcasters that actually a

lot of people drop out before episode 20, a lot of people, unbelievable amounts

of people drop out before episode 20.

And so actually by the time you got to episode 50, not only have

you stuck around, which already puts you in a class of your own.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're going to, you're going to be well polished,

but I think you've got to think about it in that kind of terms.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, awesome.

What's coming up next week?

James Gurd again.

And is he talking about Zoom?

Don't ask me now.

I'll tell you in the next episode.

Next episode on Sadaf gets confused on what we're talking about.

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Hopefully it will be relevant.

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Reach out to him, especially if you're looking to re platform your eCom business

because he will be able to help you.

He's a great guy.

He's a guy to go talk to.

But yeah, anything else from you?

No.

Awesome.

All right.

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