This episode of Boxcar Universe delves into the pressing topic of sustainable living within the realm of home improvement, particularly focusing on the importance of electrical safety and aesthetic enhancements for residential properties. I engage with Sean Lapointe from Mr. Electric to discuss the escalating power demands as we transition into the warmer months, emphasizing the necessity for homeowners to evaluate their electrical systems in light of increased usage. Additionally, I converse with Kimberly Nimis Shaw from Color Design Development Group, who provides invaluable insights into contemporary color trends and the impact of seasonal changes on exterior aesthetics. Our dialogue encompasses practical advice on preparing homes for the summer months, ensuring not only safety but also visual appeal through thoughtful design choices. We invite our listeners to consider these essential aspects as they embark on their home improvement journeys, aligning with the overarching goal of fostering a more sustainable lifestyle. The discourse in this episode of Boxcar Universe presents an intricate examination of the convergence of electrical safety and aesthetic elevation within residential spaces. The dialogue initiates with a compelling introduction of esteemed guests Sean Lapointe from Mr. Electric and Kimberly Nimis Shaw from Color Design Group, heralding a multifaceted exploration of contemporary electrical demands alongside color design trends. Emphasizing the increasing strain on electrical systems due to rising temperatures, particularly in Phoenix, the conversation delves into essential electrical upgrades and safety standards that homeowners must consider. Sean Lapointe elucidates the necessity of addressing electrical demands, particularly as air conditioning units work harder in the heat, leading to potential overloads and safety hazards. The discussion serves as a crucial reminder for homeowners to evaluate their electrical systems, ensuring they are well-equipped to handle increased loads and prevent hazardous situations. Transitioning into the realm of aesthetics, Kimberly Nimmis Shaw interjects with insights on the evolving color palettes in home design, particularly as trends shift from the prevalent grays and whites to more vibrant and warm hues. The dialogue underscores the importance of selecting colors that resonate with both the homeowner's identity and the surrounding environment. As Kimberly articulates, the interplay of color and architecture is paramount, highlighting how thoughtful color choices can enhance the overall appeal of a home while also reflecting the personality of its occupants. This segment not only addresses the visual impact of color but also the practical considerations of durability against Arizona's harsh climate. The juxtaposition of electrical safety and color design presents a holistic approach to home improvement, urging listeners to be proactive in both upgrading their electrical systems and revitalizing their living spaces with mindful color choices.

Takeaways:

• The episode features discussions on electrical safety standards and the rising power demands prevalent in homes during the warmer seasons.
• Listeners are encouraged to consider the importance of proper electrical maintenance to ensure safety and efficiency in their homes.
• The conversation highlights the need for homeowners to pay attention to color trends in home remodeling, specifically regarding the use of spring colors.
• The episode emphasizes the significance of conducting regular safety checks for electrical systems to prevent potential hazards and ensure functionality.
• In the realm of design, balancing colors with architectural elements is paramount for aesthetic coherence in both residential and commercial projects.
• The podcast also addresses the implications of weather on home maintenance, stressing the necessity for timely renovations to maintain property integrity.

Links referenced in this episode:

• stardustbuilding.org
• boxcaruniverse.com
• phoenixmetro.Mr.electric.com
• colordesignllc.com
• idealhomeimprovementaz.com

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Mr. Electric
• Color Design Development Group
• Home Depot
• Lowe's
• Ace Hardware
• Stardust Building Supplies
• Ideal Home Improvement

Get ready, Arizona.

This week on Boxcar Universe, I'm turning up the power and style with Sean Lapointe from Mr. Electric and Kimberly Nimmis Shaw from Color Design Group.

From smart electrical upgrades to beautiful color inspiration, this episode is packed with energy ideas and home improvement fun.

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Hi, I'm Steve Dubell, host of Boxcar Universe.

And here's what's coming up on this week's edition of Boxcar Universe.

Sean Lapointe is here with us from Mr. Electric.

And we're going to be talking about some of the electrical safety standards as well as the rising power demands, being that we are.

Spring has come really early, especially here in Phoenix.

Also in the second half hour, Kimberly Nimbus Shaw.

She is the president and designer of Color Design Development Group.

We're going to be talking a little bit about getting your color act together, especially if you are in remodeling mode and want to get into some spring colors and what's trending nowadays.

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And we want to welcome all of you to Boxcar Universe.

We got a lot, a lot of things going on today and springtime and actually not to, not to date it, but we hope that you're listening to the show and will be right around spring, which is on March 21, which is.

Spring is going to be here though, even though in Phoenix it feels like it's summer.

I think yesterday we had, we broke three digits in, in heat.

So that's going to put a lot of demand on the electrical system, the grid, as well as what's going on at your house.

And I'm sure that your, your air conditions are going to get a little early workout and especially if you have animals at home you don't want and you're busy at work, you want to make sure that they stay, you know, in a, in a cool environment.

So your electric bill's got to go up, but it's going to put a lot of demands on your home.

But There are certain things that if you have been experiencing with your electrical systems in your home that you haven't addressed.

Sean Lapointe is the man to speak to.

And Sean, welcome to Boxcar Universe again.

How's things down in Ahwatukee land?

Things are getting close to 100 degrees over here, Steve.

Yeah, I believe it, I believe it.

Yeah, it's toasty now.

I gotta make sure when I leave the house in the morning that the air conditioner is set on the right temperature so that this way my little four legged friend is gonna be comfortable all day.

How is your four legged friend?

He's doing just fine.

His name is Chewy and he's a terrier mix.

And I rescued him about six years ago and as they say, he's my best bud.

Awesome.

Yeah.

So anyway, so let's talk a little bit about, you know, some of the things that you've been experiencing with, you know, obviously it's getting warmer and people are going to have a lot more demand on their homes and their electrical systems.

They absolutely are.

What, as spring arrives, you know, it's going to be an increase in your electrical load.

One of the things that we're going to start using is, you know, obviously the number one's air conditioning.

Right.

I know I just turned mine on a week or so ago and you know, I had to, I had to wait a little bit long as I could in order to kick that energy usage in.

Ceiling fans are coming on, garage freezers are going to be working a lot harder.

Refrigerators, outdoor lighting, and even pool equipment.

You know, I know I'm checking mine out, making sure it's running good and, and also like, you know, a lot of exterior, exterior, exterior appliances and entertainment systems as well are going to start coming into play.

Yeah, absolutely.

You get, people are going to start using them more and you know, hopefully this, this current heat wave will, will settle down a little bit because you know, that's one of the reasons that we live in Arizona that we're able to have these mild, you know, springtime temperatures and, and still go out and have some great outdoor activities with friends and family.

And yeah, all these different things are going to be using more.

And you know, one of the things that I remember somebody told me like years ago, you know, when a lot of people, when they buy new refrigerators, the old one isn't quite, you know, it's on its last leg, but it's still working.

And they put it in the garage.

But then when they put it in the garage, you know, they'll plug it into, you know, whatever outlets in there, whether it's on a dedicated circuit or if it's in the string of outlets or stuff like that.

And I've seen them actually, they trip breakers, isn't that so?

Yeah.

What we find is it's a GFI related problem.

It's a ground fault problem.

And those older refrigerators are just notorious for tricking those GFI devices into thinking that there's something wrong with the.

In some cases there might actually be something wrong with the fridge, but here's what happens.

Almost always that circuit that the fridge is on runs the garage and the laundry room and maybe the exterior outlets, but that doesn't run any lighting.

And so when that thing trips, it isn't real obvious that your fridge is no longer refrigerating.

And usually the first indicators you go out there and you open it up, you're like, oh my God, what died in my fridge?

So one of the things that we offer to combat that is they now have GFI protection devices that have an audible alarm, which is very useful.

Like you want in the garage, go, what is that?

Oh my gosh, the alarm for the gfi.

Right.

So now, now we know that that's tripped and we can take actions to try to correct that.

Yeah, well, it's, it's all about warning signs.

You know, it's, it's amazing that, you know, when people turn around and they start doing these things and then they, you know, they get big surprises because they, it, it's so easy to forget on certain things that, that you take for granted in your home.

And obviously electric is one of them.

And, you know, I was talking with your tech gym yesterday about certain things with your home and why people, you know, when you, some people, they go decide, well, maybe I'll just go, I've got a, you know, a tester, I'll just, you know, put the two leads on and see if there's power or not.

But like he had mentioned, you know, certain switches or three ways.

It doesn't mean that if you test one and it doesn't show, the light doesn't come on on a tester, but yet there still may be some voltage if it's a three way.

So unless that's why I'm saying it, you need a qualified professional to know what the system is doing and how to check it to be absolutely sure of what, of what's wrong.

So, you know, you can go to Home Depot or Lowe's or any Ace Hardware and get a tester but doesn't mean that the tester may work right, but the homeowner may not be working right.

Well, you know, we do have a lot of specialized test equipment, and, you know, we have.

Some of this stuff can get really super expensive.

And.

And, you know, not every technician may be able to afford that type of equipment, but we definitely can afford it here at Mr. Electric.

And so things like we're able to trace circuits underground and under concrete and.

And, yeah, we've seen.

I can't tell you how many guys walk up and just, they got like, a little pen light and like, oh, yeah, the thing lit up.

Oh, yeah, we're okay, but weren't okay because there's a huge amount of voltage that those things will respond to.

And the only information it gives you is, hey, I'm sorry about these notifications.

I thought I turned off my.

My thing here.

It keeps.

Keeps ramping up into.

Anyway, what else you got for me, Steve?

No.

Well, anyway, we're talking about.

First, for certain things that we need to do with talking about outdoor entertainment.

People just have, you know, ways that they just like to turn around and, well, let's run extension cords and we'll.

We'll plug it into this.

And, you know, everybody brings out all the electrical equipment.

And then before you know it, you know, like you had said, there's overloads.

And I think that's so important that people need to know.

I mean, there are certain times of the year that you need to know what's going on with your system.

If you keep.

If your circuit breakers keep tripping, well, just don't go outside and put a piece of duct tape over the switch and hope it'll stay.

I mean, I've seen people do that.

You know, a lot of listeners may think, well, what is he talking about?

Yeah, and I don't want to give anybody the wrong idea here, but, you know, when you think about it, you know, some people will do that.

They're more concerned about keeping using that plug, and they just, well, I don't know what's right.

The circuit breaker trip.

So.

Well, maybe I'll go back out and reset it.

Now, sometimes you can reset it and it'll hold, but if it keeps doing it, please, please, please don't do anything.

Like I suggested.

I was just kidding.

Taping over a circuit breaker to keep it on is only.

It's a recipe for disaster.

And again, it's.

A homeowner with tools could be a dangerous thing issue.

Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that we Saw one the other day that was kind of like that and actually it was, it wasn't as bad.

It wasn't taped on, they were taped off, but it was like, do not turn this on.

And there was a condition behind it which 240 to go into all the 120 volt circuits.

And so yeah, I think, I think we're better off just correcting that problem as opposed to putting a warning sign on it.

Well, you know, it's not the right remedy, but at least it's better than nothing.

You know, at least don't, don't, don't go in there and just ignore it.

You know, don't use it.

No, use it.

But it's an issue.

I mean, you know, certain things that you just, you know, just when you think you walk into somebody's home that you think you've seen it all and, and you just have it.

Yeah, it's for sure.

It's just amazing, you know, so, but we're going to take a short break.

When we come back, we're going to talk a little more with Sean about some of the, getting involved with some of the panel capacities and stuff.

And should you get an upgrade, upgraded panel, maybe you need a 200amp panel and you've got 100amp panel.

But these are things to think about or you're adding a pool.

Then you've got to think about upgrading your panel as well as if you get a solar, solar system.

So everybody hang tight.

We'll be right back.

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All right, and we are back and you're listening to Box Car Universe.

And we are here talking with Shawn Lapointe from Mr. Electric.

And you know, I always, I always love one of your, one of your handles and the sayings that you have for Mr. Electric, you know, because we have the power to make it happen.

That's right.

That's right.

Sean's got the power.

But anyway, let's get back to our discussion here.

Talking a little bit about, you know, talking about panel capacity and if you're in the mood for buying a new electric car and you would like a personal EV charger in your home, then these are things that you need to consider.

And you know, Sean, I've seen people just plug chargers into a regular, you know, regular outlet in the garage, but doesn't seem like that's a safe, safe practice, if you ask me.

Well, it really depends on how far you want to go and how long it takes for you to charge that thing to get you there.

You know, I have a Tesla and I have a, you know, it comes with a little 110 power cord.

But you know, with the big batteries that are coming in the, in the cars nowadays, you could be looking at 24 to 36 hours of required charge to, you know, to plug that thing in.

And what happens is it gets plugged into a random outlet.

Who knows what's on that outlet, right?

So that thing could be pulling 16amps on a 20amp circuit, but, you know, it could be only a 15amp circuit.

We don't know that until we start tripping breakers and whatnot.

And so, you know, we can come out and we can do what's called a level two charger.

And this is a 240 volt charger, and it's typically 50, 60amps, something like that circuit that we put in but that's a lot of power.

It's more than an air conditioner running at full blast for, you know, 12 hours on end sometimes.

And most, you know, a lot of times, you know, on smaller homes, we can, we can, we can put something like that in with no problem.

But if you got a couple air conditioners and you got an electric water heater, then it could be, could be in a position to overload that electrical service and, you know, Mr. Electric.

One of our things when we come out and assess is, you know, we'll do an actual load calculation on the, on the service itself with everything connected to it and say, hey, is there really enough room to put this additional giant load on for the EV charger?

And sometimes it's yes and sometimes it's no.

And so what happens when it's no?

It's a couple of options here, Steve.

One is we can increase the capacity of the panel.

If you have a 100amp panel on your house, we can easily take that to a 200.

If you already have a 200amp panel on your house, we can take that to a 300 or 400.

But it depends on whether the power company is going to have the infrastructure in the neighborhood to be able to support that.

So we work with the power companies to make sure that they can add that capacity to the system.

The other thing too is we now have, we have chargers available that uses a sensing system, kind of like a load controller.

And if the, if you're, if you're approaching the capacity of your electrical system, then it'll ramp the charger down accordingly until the time when it can turn it back up.

You know, like if, say if you turned off your air conditioner, if you turned off your dryer or something like that, then the sensor will go, hey, we got power back.

We can go ahead and we can ramp up that charging feature and get it going.

So we have a couple options there.

You know, you're not dead in the water if you want to charge quickly,.

You know, and that's, that is a really good, I think, safeguard, because this way, you know, in an automate, it automatically will ramp down and ramp up as needed and it won't overload.

Overload the panel.

Yeah, which is, which is a really, really good thing.

How, how long is that, that invention been around?

You know, that technology has been around for a year or so, maybe a little bit more.

We used to be really, really expensive, but now as chargers I know are getting more and more, you know, high tech, and the technology is Increasing, of course, now it's, it's beginning a little bit more, you know, available to the common, the common masses.

So.

Yeah, well, you know, I don't know, I'm just curious.

Have you seen an uptick in people request EV chargers since the gas prices have like soared off the planet?

You know, I don't know that I've seen an actual increase, but just in general we're getting, we're getting calls daily to install or provide chargers for cars.

Yeah, well, I wouldn't doubt it.

You know, it's a trade off depending on, you know, the year, what our current economic condition.

You know, one week you hear about people, oh my God, the batteries, the batteries, the batteries.

And then all of a sudden gas goes off the chart.

And then people are saying, well, you know, electric might be the way to go.

Yeah, it's everybody's individual preference in their situation.

But tell us your recommendations about surge protection.

As far as, you know, we getting into summertime and then also one of the things that we always look forward to, especially here in, in Arizona, is summer storms, or better known as the haboob.

So what would your, what would you have to say about surge protection?

And we are an absolute advocate for surge protection in your home.

I don't know if you knew this, but it's now, Surge protection is now required on, on all new builds that are observing the latest code requirements.

You know, municipalities sometimes might lag a few years, so not all of them are observing this, but the ones that are serving the most recent code updates, surge protection is absolutely required as part of a new build.

So here's the reason for this, Steve.

A surge is like a little spike in voltage.

We call it a transient, very, very quick.

Oftentimes in microsense, microseconds, we.

These, these little spikes or surges, you know, one by itself isn't, isn't really, isn't really an issue, but it's kind of like somebody repeatedly poking you in the chest with their finger.

You know, it's like, hey, Steve, Hey Steve, hey Steve, hey Steve.

And at some point you're gonna get a little bruised up and then you're just gonna, then you're just gonna flip out.

Well, that's what happens to electronics, electronic devices.

Get this, get this little spike poking on it like poke, poke, poke, poke, poke.

And then they fail.

And these happen.

And you know, more, most importantly, it starts happening.

A life safety devices like GSCI's, AFCIS, smoke detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, you know, and that trickles down into other Components of your washers, dryers, air conditioners, thermostats.

And so, you know, these, these spikes can happen from like power lines being switched, like you said, lightning in the vicinity.

Construct a power line can do this.

Motor loads are a big one.

Like if air conditioner kicks on, you know, that can actually create an internal spike in your system that, that's, you know, not related to spikes that are coming outside the system.

And so for the price of surge protection, it is an absolute no brainer, we think.

Oh, absolutely.

Now when you say it's required for new builds, is there a special device within the panel for that surge protection or.

Sure is.

Yeah.

It mounts right at the panel and in some cases it can actually go inside the panel and look like a breaker.

So it takes up a couple spots and looks like a couple of breakers, but it's actually full blown surge protection protecting your house.

Yeah, well, and it's, I mean, every, every time I've ever gone to, you know, you go to, you know, a store and you want to buy an extension cord or something like that, I mean, first thing people should be thinking about, well, let's get one that's a surge protector especially.

You know, I think that came into play a lot, many, many years ago when people used to like lose their, their PC because there was, there was a spike and it just took out the PC because there was no surge protector in the line.

So anytime they go out, I mean it means you go to Home Depot.

They've got like all kinds of different types of surge protectors.

Cords, you plug more than one, one in.

And I think, I think that's, that's pretty much if you live in an older home, it obviously doesn't have this home surge protector built into the panel.

Then I, I would make sure anything that I plugged in of value with, I put a surge protector on it.

Well, I'll tell you what, it's interesting is how surge protection works, Steve, is it takes those little tiny spikes that we've just discussed and it shunts them to ground.

It's like a safety valve.

But if you don't have a ground in your house, there's nowhere to shut you.

Well, that, yeah, that could be a problem.

Especially some of these older homes that you.

Older homes, exactly.

Right.

Yeah.

We just have two prong outlets.

Yeah, yeah.

Nowhere for that spike to go.

Yeah.

Where's the ground?

You know, so a lot of times then, then, you know, I've seen a lot of people dealing with, you know, they have older homes and some of those ones with two prong outlets are aluminum wired.

And then, you know, then it comes time.

Hey, let's rewire in copper and get everything up to speed and, you know, have three prong outlets and.

And be electrically safe.

Because I'm not a big fan, a big fan of aluminum wiring.

Especially when I've seen some friends when I lived back in Chicago, they were living in a mobile home and they lost their whole mobile home because it was aluminum wired and it shorted and they had a fire and it was gone in seconds.

Yeah, it's interesting.

We can go into a home with aluminum wiring and we can almost tell without even opening the panel.

Little telltale is take a look at all the receptacles that are in the rooms.

You'll invariably see one that's got a little smoke trail coming up the top of it.

That's aluminum wiring.

Oh, yeah, that could be it.

That, that's.

That.

That's an alarm and a red alert right there when you see.

No, it is.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

It's.

Some people, they.

Some people, they just ignore it.

They take it for granted.

Some people don't.

Don't want to.

Don't want to believe in the truth and think you're just trying to, you know, gouge them for money, whatever.

And, you know, you know, here at Mr. Electric, we're really safety focused.

And if we find something in the house that's like that, we're definitely going to alert the homeowner.

We're going to talk about, you know, the safety issues and how we can resolve it.

And we're going to give it a price, too.

Definitely.

We're going to make sure you have to take care of it.

Yeah, I think, I think it's so important that people be.

Be aware of that.

And, you know, it's all about being.

I always advocate being a responsible homeowner.

You mean if you wanted.

If you didn't want to be responsible for your home, you might as well go live at Motel 6 because then you have no responsibilities.

Well, I was going to say, yeah, being.

You have to have a little bit of responsibility.

Yeah, you got to have.

You mean, you know, that's why I always say you go around and you, you walk around your house at least like every 30 days and just look for things, you know, that are abnormal.

You know, I mean, some, some of the, some of the obvious things, you know, could be.

Could be something with electrically.

Like we wanted.

Like the house we looked at yesterday, it had conduit running from the panel Tucked in underneath the weep screed, running the whole length of the house and then going underground to the pool.

Yet the conduit had fallen off those little hooks and now is laying on the ground buried half in gravel.

And where the joint comes together, one of them that we noticed was completely open.

So, I mean, that's.

Obviously water's gonna get in there when it does rain.

So it's like, you know, these are obvious things that you could see.

If you have any knowledge at all, you know, I mean, we could surely help you and say, what are things that I need to go around and notice in my house or outside my house or even inside my house?

A lot of times it's like, you know that one outlet that never holds the plug?

Oh, I hate those.

You never use it.

Well, there's the first place to start.

That guy needs to get replaced.

Because invariably that's probably the most used plug in the entire home for the lifetime of that home.

It's worn out a lot of times.

The connections behind it need some attention too.

Did you see what they have?

Do you see on TV now?

They.

Somebody came up with a solution for that without taking the outlet out.

It's like a.

It's almost like a spacer plug that fits in.

Yeah, I swear I saw it.

I saw it on.

Where was it on?

On Rope.

One of the Roku channels had it.

They plug it in.

They plug it into the outlet, and then you plug the.

Your plug into that.

And it.

And it.

It does.

It keeps it sturdy.

It makes contact, but it doesn't fall.

You know, like when you stick it in it and it droops.

It does.

It keeps it straight and it doesn't make it droop.

Yeah.

Invariably when you pull that plug out of the wall, it falls apart in your hand, probably.

You just never know.

Well, people think the craziest things to do and so just do the right thing.

I mean, what does it cost to change an outlet?

It's not.

It's not an expensive item, you know, I mean, it's.

No, not in the grand scheme of things now.

No, it's not.

It's.

It's.

It's.

It's pretty cheap when you think about it.

But before we wrap up, I just want to talk, you know, again.

These are things, you know, red flags that should pop up with a homeowner, you know, when.

If you have an outlet inside with that, you plug something into on a regular basis and it keeps tripping the gfi.

I mean, obviously there's something wrong and if these are things you should obviously, you know, think about and, you know, maybe it's time for a safety check.

If you think all our listeners think about it like this.

If you have a service person can come in twice or at least once a year for your H vac, okay, why not get an electrical safety check of your home to make sure that, you know, you're not overloading circuits?

Because the house was built 20 years ago and there were limitations when they built the house.

It could have been everything, could have been current code then.

But now, 20 years later, you're using a lot more different appliances and electrical, you know, computers and whatever it is.

It could be different.

It could be drawing more power.

And you're just thinking, well, you know, it's there, I need it, so it should be enough.

But sometimes it isn't.

So electrical safety check is, I think, is important.

Do you.

Do you have a large call for that, Sean?

So what's interesting is that we offer a free home safety check.

And it's kind of.

It's probably a 35 item, you know, list of things that we look at.

And we do this for no charge.

You know, we offer every time we show up at a residence to say, hey, you know, we got this.

We want to make sure it's safe to work on.

We want to make sure it's safe for the person that we're visiting with.

One of the, you know, one of the biggest red flags that we hear from customers.

And this is crazy because it goes back to the point where the.

Sometimes customers just don't want to know what's wrong with their system.

They have this issue that's been ongoing and they just, you know, just kind of want to look kicking under the rug.

But one of the biggest ones, and it may seem like nothing, is we get that little light flicker, right?

Or you get this little intermittent thing like this didn't work a second ago on, oh, now it works.

Well, it must have fixed itself.

I guarantee you, Steve, that didn't fix itself.

You got something going on behind the scenes.

No way.

This happens all the time.

You know, it's like we get this call say, hey, we're going to come out on Tuesday.

And then Tuesday hits and hey.

Oh, yeah, well, it stopped.

It stopped doing that.

So we don't need you now.

Oh, I guarantee you need us now.

This is the worst time for that.

You know, how do you trace something like that if it's not doing it at the moment?

That's a great question.

We start taking things apart oh, it's always a connection.

Whether it's a connection to breaker or it's a faulty breaker or you got a device that's faulting or a connection behind the device.

You know, every time.

Every time you look at a piece of electrical that you can see, there's.

There's two or three connections behind it that you don't.

Yeah.

And like I said, you know, things when I talked earlier, you know, things happen.

Okay.

Case in point, the house.

We're doing this remodel in Ahwatuki.

The appliance people came in, they went to put the stove in, and they plugged it into the outlet that was already in the wall, and it popped a breaker, and it was just like, okay, is it the appliance or is it something in the line going to the panel?

Turns out the ground wire that was in the outlet box right in the wall had come loose off the connection, and it was grounding out against the box.

And then when they put the.

When they plugged it in, they turned it on.

Poof.

Circuit breaker popped.

So it was.

It's.

It's just an easy fix, so.

And that's 50amps, too.

That's pretty.

Pretty big pop.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was just.

And it actually hurt it.

Yeah, it was amazing.

But anyway, Sean, tell our listeners a little bit how they can contact you and take advantage of that free safety inspection, which I urge everybody in the sound of my voice to be able to do, because it is so very important, and you want to keep your family and.

And your pets and everybody safe.

Well, Steve, we're the only Mr. Electric in town, so you can.

You can find us online at Mr. Electric.

You'll get Mr. Electric there as well.

All right, Sean, thank you so much for all that good information.

And we want all our listeners to be able to use it as a.

Again, as a reference.

And the great thing about Sean and his company, you know, he's always, you know, he looks beyond the point of what your issue is just to prevent future issues coming up and giving you problems.

So we appreciate it, Shawn.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for having me, Steve.

All right, Shawn Lapointe from Mr. Electric, and we've got a lot more coming your way.

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All right, we are back, and you are listening to Boxcar Universe.

And we want to thank Sean Lapointe from Mr. Electric for being in our first half of the show.

Some great information there, as always.

And Sean and I have been good friends for many years.

He's been a great sponsor of the show going way back to.

And he takes great care of customers.

He's got a great team.

But we want to talk a little bit about, you know, here we are.

You know, my guest, Kimberly Nimbus, were.

We were talking about this during the break about colors of homes and this and that, and in coming up with, like, names of.

Of.

Of colors that I don't even think Dunn Edwards has come up with yet, but she is the CEO and designer president.

And I know she.

I'm sure she's got a couple more titles for Color Design Development Group.

And I first met Kimberly, like, probably almost as long as I've known Sean.

20 Years, maybe.

20.

Yeah.

Coming back.

And we did our.

We did our first TV show together over with our good friend Cindy Christie, and, oh, it was at the.

Oh, yes, the Marconi Ranch House.

That's what it was.

So, Kimberly, why don't you introduce yourself to our guests?

Because for those of them who maybe have missed the first time you were on our show.

Sure.

I'm Kimberly Nemeth Shah, and I am the president of Color Design Development Group.

And our website is colordesignllc.com I was just gonna say spring in Arizona is when buildings really reveal what actually survived the summer.

Yes.

Spring reveals as.

Yeah, well, you know, that happens.

That's.

That's a very good point.

But I think it's even more predominant in, in the Midwest, in the Northeast, because once the snow melts, you could see what.

What's left after winter.

That's true.

You know, I mean, it's.

Yeah, it gets to be.

It just gets to be very telling when you see certain things.

But.

Well, you start noticing fading, chalking and uneven wear, especially on south and west facing walls.

It's like the building tells on itself.

Yes, the building tells on itself.

And again, like we said with Shawn, you've got to.

You've got to be cognizant.

You walk around your house, you know.

You know, with all the years that I've been doing remodeling and stuff that we've done a lot of.

A lot of exterior painting thinking about it, you know, one thing that I always say when I look at a house, it jumps out at you either.

It's, it's.

You could tell that the stucco hasn't been painted in, in like since Flintstone years back then.

And, and then the fascia board is really, and really in bad shape.

But I always used to tell people, you know, if, if you're thinking about how often should I do it that.

Well, you do the paint, the fishboard every five years.

The stucco, depending on the exposure, maybe eight or 10, you know, depending on what it is to be able to do that.

Because the sun just beats the daylights out of paint here and not just homes.

How many cars have you go seen out here?

You know, and I don't know if this is prevalent in other parts of the country, but you know how it all of a sudden looks like.

It looks like it's like your car's paint has acne.

Yeah.

You know, and it's like, what happened?

I didn't do it.

I always polished it.

What happened?

You know, and then it's like they have all these miracle things.

Wouldn't it be great if you could just take these miracle items?

You say, yeah, and just rub it on yourself and then like take away all the age lines and everything else.

And you could do that for buildings too.

That would be awesome.

That would be great.

Yeah.

But you can't see, that's the problem.

So you've got to address these things.

But tell our listeners a little bit about.

Okay, so what is the focus of Color Design Development Group?

So the focus is really mostly commercial and apartment buildings and condominiums all over Arizona and 29 to 30 states.

I think I'm in.

I have colorized over a half a million units and about 25 million square feet of commercial building and a lot of custom homes and also some new developments from new construction I've worked on as well.

And that's really been kind of fun.

But there has been a trend and that trend has been gray and white and black for a while.

And I think that's going to change more just because it's time to glow and not necessarily fade.

And grays tend to look like unfinished stucco.

And so it's.

If it was used as a primary massing color for the house or the multi family structure, it has turned cold.

There's a color by Sherwin Williams called Dovetail.

And I've watched it and I've used it on multiple projects.

But that dovetail color has shifted to a brown purple, and it should have stayed gray, but that's just what the sun does.

And Arizona is the, you know, the hottest as far as what's going to happen.

And so there.

This is a season where properties either glow or they show their age.

Yeah, this is true.

I mean, you're dealing with areas that the sun is very brutal.

People think the winters are brutal.

Yes, they are.

Because what happens up in the Midwest, especially on cars and even homes, you know, they.

They blister and they in cars, rust and because of the water and everything else.

But the.

The colors and stuff that I think colors should be, especially.

I don't care where you live, but I always say the colors should reflect your personality of your house along with the decor and everything else.

Gray, even though gray was very popular and still is to an extent, like with kitchen cabinets and stuff like that, it reminds me too much of cloudy days in Seattle and rain.

Yeah, well, the gray isn't gone.

It's just no longer the star of the show.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, we're repainting a lot of gray right now.

And that tells you everything, right?

That that trend is on its way out.

And a great palette isn't always more color.

It's better decisions.

And we're designing color like architecture now with a hierarchy and not chaos.

So not just.

Not that you can do.

Not that every color has its day being the star of the show, but the roof is really important.

And the other colors that you're fighting are the sky and the landscape.

And so.

But the roof is really a huge factor.

It's about, you know, 30 to 50% of the building sometimes, depending on how it lays.

Now, in Arizona, we have a lot of flat roofs, and then we have our tile roofs.

And some tiles aren't not as forgiving as others.

No, they're not.

No, they're not.

Yep.

So restraint is what makes property feel elevated.

Sometimes, you know, fewer colors or just colors that go with earth tones and our mineral based colors.

I would say that we're going to see more warm colors.

We're gonna see colors that.

That are gonna emerge here.

You're gonna see probably some more doors that are gonna be green, like a nice earthy green, like a. Yeah, deep green.

Deep greens.

But you're also gonna see a green that's more cactus green for a front door.

It Just depends.

Depends on the architecture, really.

And I think that's where people tend to go back to the same colors.

Well, that one lasted.

Or.

Or they changed the color because it didn't last.

Right, right.

So, you know, from my own personal home, I've had the same paint color on for more than 10 years, and it still looks good.

And I have neighbors who chose other colors and they need to repaint more often.

So it really depends.

And lrv, which stands for light reflectancy value, that plays a big game, too.

And especially in Scottsdale here, they have certain standards for light reflective value because they're trying to make sure that everything is.

It doesn't just jump out at you.

It blends in more with the scenery.

You don't want a white house on the top of the mountain.

Oh, no.

In fact, we were talking about earlier about ever wonder when you go to a new area of town and you see these streets, you're like.

And some of them looked, like, really strange.

Like, why would they name a street like that?

Well, I think that applies to the same thing, like, with paint colors.

Who in the world decided to make certain names of paint colors for names.

Names for paint colors, because they're kind of, like, weird.

Weird.

And like, there are some weird names.

But we came up with a great one earlier, which I think is so very definitive that every paint company in the country should be using it.

You want to tell them what it is?

I've already forgotten.

It's smurf blue.

Well, yeah, you were telling me about your new.

The one home that you saw that was.

I have a custom.

You knew the whole house was blue?

Oh, my God.

I was waiting to see what was smurf jump out the front door.

No, it was a stucco house.

It was.

It was one story, had a very low profile roof.

So what was the roof color?

Come on.

You can see it.

It was.

It was.

It was like a dark brown.

Brown charcoal.

Yeah, like brown charcoal.

You know, so the only thing that they didn't have is like, red.

Red shutters around the windows.

Thank God.

What was the door color?

Well, I forgot, but it was hidden by a security door.

So the security door was actually white?

Yeah.

So, yeah.

But, yeah, I mean, we have seen the blue trend come, and there's some of it, you know, still existing, but it's in smaller doses, probably.

But I would say that, you know, we don't start with the paint.

We look at the roof first, and then we balance the roof with the right colors.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

It's Just like every.

It's the same thing, too.

When you work in the interior, when you're talking about colors of, like, telling people, okay, well, I want to get.

Decide on a cabinet color.

Then once you decide on the cabinet color.

Okay, then let's go pick out the countertop.

Once you have that contrast all done, then we could figure out what you want on the floor.

And then once all that's done, then you can figure out what color you want to paint the interior.

Yeah, the paint is more versatile because there's more.

Hundreds of colors to choose from.

But in the roofing industry, there's very few.

I mean, they have standard ones that they use everywhere, from shingle to tile into flat roof.

So there's.

There is a hierarchy of, you know.

Well, there's colors, and then there's the hierarchy of how many paint colors you might want to put on your building.

And the larger the building, a little bit more color can come in, but in smaller doses.

Yeah.

Really?

I mean, and then, you know, the one thing that I remember, like, I remember when Kimberly and I. Kimberly and I first met, she was.

She had this way before paint stores had it, where she'd be able to go back in and snap a picture of your house and then show you how the house would look with different colors on it.

And I thought that was.

That was such a cool thing.

It still is a cool thing, but when it first came out, people can get an idea of what their house is going to look like before even you open a can of paint, which I think is so very important, especially probably even more important, would you say, with commercial properties?

Well, yeah, because we provide that to the city and also municipalities and anybody who's going to look at it and make a color decision on the final.

They need those visuals along with actual samples up on the building.

But it helps streamline the sampling because people know if they want a light trim or a dark trim, how they want to accent the color placement is really important.

You know, we want to highlight what looks good.

Sure.

The front door, the entrance, your landscape around the house and stuff.

But we don't really want to call out to gutters.

We don't want to highlight.

I mean, I've seen people do some really strange things, but we don't want to highlight everything.

That's true.

That's kind of chaotic.

Yeah, that's true.

Absolutely.

So tell our listeners.

Okay, what is your favorite clients?

What kind of clients are you looking for?

I'm looking for clients that are regional or national,.

Like property managers.

Not property managers, but I would say like, well, regional property portfolio managers, but people who have a lot, a lot of properties that they need to.

They're looking at budgeting, they're looking at, they're thinking about, hey, I might have to replace my roof.

When I replace my roof, I'm going to have to repaint.

And everything is a domino effect.

Sure.

But, you know, let's say the roof has a life cycle of 25 to 35 years.

And a paint job lasts, like you said, between 8 and 10, maybe less on wood.

And so we're looking at life cycle stages and we're seeing that if, you know, if you're in your second life cycle of a paint job, we could be planning your third and your fourth, or we could be planning your third.

Maybe it's a touch up to what you have existing.

Maybe you had a gray that turned kind of purpley brown.

But we need to correct one color and it still holds for another five to seven years.

Or we're looking at ones that they know they are going to change the roof and everything then falls into a new cycle, new life cycle.

So I'm looking for property owners and portfolio managers that, that have capex projects and they know that they're going to, they're going to need to repaint.

A lot of apartments are going to change hands with the economy the way that it is.

And so when they do that, sometimes they have money set aside for a freshen up of the exterior or they know that they plan to gut and remodel so many units inside and they need to call attention to that property.

And so some of the new construction projects that I've worked on, you know, sometimes we use a little bit more bold colors to, to enunciate.

Hey, we're here and we need to fill.

They want it to stand out.

Yeah, they want to stand out.

And so their initial color is a little bit more loud and proud.

And then when they are full and they're in their second cycle of repainting, their first repaint, they may calm that down and they don't have to be the, you know, the colors have worked, but they've faded.

And now it's time to address what's going to look good for a longer period of time and still look, make your property look nice.

I just got a call this last summer from a client that I, I repainted it, their apartment complex in Chandler.

And I want to say it was probably about 300 units.

And when they first contacted me, they said, well, we've tried everything.

We don't know what's going to look good with this roof.

So we're.

We're really considering changing the roofs.

And I said, what?

Well, how old is your roofs?

And she's like, well, they're still under warranty and stuff, but we, but, but we think.

Or maybe.

I don't know about warranty, but they were.

It was a roof that was still supposed to.

They didn't have any leaks or problems yet.

So I, I said, well, you probably don't have a roof problem.

You just need to adjust the colors to support it.

And so.

And it was one of those where it was kind of a pinky salmony tile roof and it had some pitches where it was or on that same tile, it might have.

Have a little bit of paint that is lighter than even that.

So it was, it was different.

But I painted it 20 years ago and they just called me to repaint it.

Wow.

And I saved them maybe a half a million dollars in not changing the roof out.

Sure.

And they called me 20 years later and said, we don't.

You're the only one that solved this problem before.

And we're not sure we want to change the colors necessarily, but we wanted you to look at it again.

And we did.

I did consult with them and have them stay with the same colors because it did so well at supporting that roof.

And they know that in the next cycle they will be changing the roof and they will probably consult with me at that time to pick the right roof to go with more colors.

Yeah, that's.

That's so important to be able to do that.

That's great longevity.

It is.

And I've been talking about it with my husband, who does the sales at our company.

And I was saying we should be planning one or two cycles for these people at a time, you know, but ownership changes.

You know, apartments trade hands just like cars do, and we don't.

It's like a.

They don't stay as long as people once did, you know, or do in homes.

They are a little bit.

They move a little bit more.

Sure.

I mean, and people have a lot of different things you have to take into account, you know, do they.

Does a homeowner like the color?

Does it make sense for them especially?

Is it going to fit in the neighborhood or.

Or is the HOA police going to come down and, you know, issue me a big fine because you tried to change your house color without getting it approved by the architectural committee?

I mean, and that's, you know, that's One of the things I think, you know, it has its good points and bad points, especially when they start trying to reach into your backyard and tell you things that you can and can't do in your backyard when you can't even see it from the street, which is like, no, I don't think so.

Right.

Doesn't work for me.

Right.

But again, these are things that you need to take into.

Into account.

Now you work with.

Besides setting the, you know, helping the customers pick the colors, do you also have contractor recommendations for them or do they find their own?

They find their own in Arizona is in my backyard, so it's in my ecosystem.

And I know a lot of the people, but, you know, when I'm doing a job in Tennessee or Florida, I don't know them.

That's okay.

Well, they could do their own due diligence to go through there and find what they're looking for.

But we're seeing that we're called in now at.

In the planning stages, you know, October, November, December, so they can prepare for the spring.

Right.

And then in other locations, like you mentioned, Seattle, their paint season is June, July and August.

September.

Yeah.

It's a big, big season.

It's only three.

Three months.

Yeah.

That's all they can get out of it.

I remember when I was selling paint and.

And we had a lot of painters that left here in the summer to go up there and paint.

Really?

You'd be surprised.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That.

Well, because probably everybody in the world wants to get their house painted when.

The weather is 20 degrees.

Yeah.

They want to be in nicer weather.

Why not?

It's either go that way or go north.

Yeah.

So, yeah, a lot of people, they want to do things up in.

In Flagstaff and Prescott Valley up there, that ways, north.

Because, like, when people we.

That's the one thing about Arizona.

You can experience all the seasons in one state.

Yeah.

At different times of the year.

Yes.

You get snow, you get desert, you get, you know, the weather like we're supposed to have now instead of having this heat wave.

So it's great.

It's great things to be able to enjoy.

But again, springtime is your busy season, I would think.

Yeah.

People are.

People are looking to redo their homes.

Get ready.

And I always tell people, okay, if you could paint your house, be kind to your painter.

Get with Kimberly now.

Pick the colors and have the painter come in and do it before it's 120 degrees outside.

And not saying that he can't.

And I'm exaggerating.

But it gets close up there.

But when you could paint outside.

But you've got to start it when it gets that bad.

You got to start at daylight.

Yeah.

And then maybe stop at noon.

Yeah.

And that's it.

That's all you get before it gets too hot.

Because if you try and spray when it's too hot outside, the paint starts to dry before it even hits the wall from the gun.

And they were only talking, what, two feet?

Maybe if it's.

If you're.

If it's a handheld or even if it's on the wand, you don't want to have it further than that, and you don't want to spray that on because it's not going to give you the solid, good adhesion that you need for the longevity.

Right, right.

Yep.

And.

And a lot of times, you know, people choose colors in isolation instead of in context.

You know, they go to the paint store, they're looking under fluorescent lighting, they grab their favorite colors, they take it home.

It's a small 2 by 2 inch.

Right.

Maybe they put a. I've been to people's homes where they've put up samples even in their interior, and they've.

They've taken the roller or a brush, and they've got a swipe of paint on there, and they're trying to decide if they like it or not.

Yeah.

It looks like a plaid palette of different colors.

Yes.

Yes.

If you want to avoid that altogether, I offer the digital renderings.

Yes.

I think that's so much easier.

Yes.

And then I offer the paint sample.

I call out the colors for every substrate that's out on the property, from the fascia to the different body colors, to rails, doors, trim, any kind of accenting.

But trendy doesn't always translate to durable.

True.

True.

And a color that looks exciting today can look tired in two summers just because of our heat.

So finding colors that are earth tone and in the area.

The other thing to think about, too, is the dust and the monsoons that we have.

If the color is too light, we see the dirt.

If the color is too dark, we see the dirt.

So trying to find something in that happy medium range helps.

Yeah, absolutely.

And again, common sense.

And if you're thinking that you don't know, you know, which way to go or what to do, Kimberly can help you.

And you don't just have to be in Arizona with all 34 states.

You said 30 to be able to help you.

So it's worth a phone call.

Yeah.

And we're.

We're setting up right now to do just color audits where people can send pictures of our properties to us and we can score them and say, yes, you know, if, if they, if they look.

If they want an expert opinion on whether it looks good or if they want to have it redone.

Right.

So we can do a color audit.

And those just take a couple days.

Where as somebody who, like, I pick colors quicker than a couple days, but what, what it takes to process is a couple days, and then from there, somebody who wants a full color package fly out, you know, walk their property, do the due diligence, and design something that's gonna last that they like.

Then that is something that takes a couple weeks, you know, from going out to the property, assessing it.

And then I build a paint by number kit for the contractor, because some of these properties are very large.

Paint by numbers.

I used to do that when I was a kid.

Paint by numbers, right.

Exactly.

Well, in my experience all over the country, there sometimes can be a language barrier.

Sometimes there is just a lack of expertise where to cut the line.

You know, I like to do it in the inside corners.

Some people do it on the face.

It just depends on how the stucco breaks the architecture and stuff.

And.

And I, I think in the 30 years that I've been either selling paint designing and now, you know, redoing multiple life cycles of the same property, because, you know, you come to it at, you know, 20 years ago and you say, you know, I'm painting this for the.

For my first time.

And when I arrived on the property, I decided, this looks good.

Now how do I make it look better?

Sure.

Now it's, how do I make it look different a third time or, you know, so sometimes always trying to better yourself, you're always trying to always better it.

So sometimes there's one or two colors that did work really well that we retain, and then we add a new color to it, you know, well, again,.

It's all about experience, to be able to know exactly what you're doing.

And I urge all of you to contact Kimberly, like I said, to be able to help you with your color designs and choices.

And whether it's commercial or residential, she can help you.

And like I said, we've worked together for many moons, and she will definitely take good care of you.

How can our listeners contact you?

Okay, that's great, Kimberly.

Thanks so much for being here today.

And we'll Surely.

And we have to come up with another tagline, you know, like color design development group, live a life of color.

Well, our tagline that is trademarked is.

Just call me ChatGPT.

No, it's color or change is inevitable.

Let color design make it incredible.

Because that's the truth is that a lot of times it either we resist change or we desire change.

And so the paint job is a signal and it's, it's a marketing signal as much as it is a aesthetic.

Right.

But it's also an operational.

And you have to accept change.

And you have to accept change.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

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If you desire a container pool for the summer, then Matt is your guy to go to.

We'll have him on the show real soon.

Being now that it's getting warm and it's first thing we want to do, I couldn't believe it the other day in the complex where I live, it's just like, you know, it's like 9 o' clock at night and it's like 20 people in the pool in the spa outside when it was like 100, like close to 100 degrees.

I'm like, we have arrived in March, in March, believe it or not.

But we can help you design your dream container home and also help with your just basic remodeling and room additions.

So give us a call if you are interested.

You could always reach me at steve@boxcaruniverse.com and don't forget, if you want to try and keep your electric bills down.

We also can design a solar system for your home.

So this way you're not paying, you know, taking that money and flushing it down the toilet to all the utility companies and try and help you save some dollars that way.

But Boxcar Universe can be heard weekly on any podcast player.

And also, and always remember, let us remodel and renovate your world.

Have a great weekend.

You're a great American.

I love you, Sam.