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He Survived a Shotgun Ambush Then the System Failed Him - Part 1
Episode 3516th December 2025 • Heroes Behind the Badge • Citizens Behind the Badge
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In August 1987, Riverside, Illinois Police Officer Tom Weitzel stepped out of his squad car to check a suspicious vehicle parked on the wrong side of the street - no plates, dark tinted windows, door cracked open. Seconds later, a gang member rolled out of the back seat, racked a pump shotgun, and shot Tom at point-blank range.

Tom’s portable radio was cut in half by the blast. He crawled back to his squad, called for help on the in-car radio, and survived... largely because of a bullet-resistant vest his wife had purchased.

But what happened after the shooting would shape the rest of his career: the investigation, the shocking legal loopholes of the time, and the early signs of a system that often fails the very people it asks to run toward danger.

This is Part 1 of Tom Weitzel’s story. Part 2 picks up with the fight for justice and the advocacy Tom took all the way to state lawmakers.

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RADIO:

Check on a car sitting on the wrong side of the street's, dark.

RADIO:

Got one door is open, the vehicle has no plate.

RADIO:

It looks like a beater, four door, green LTD. I don't see anybody in,

RADIO:

but it's got those darkened windows

Tom Weitzel:

and I just came upon a car that was illegally parked

Tom Weitzel:

gate, it was car, left wheeled the curb, no license plates.

Tom Weitzel:

So I got out of the car to go get the VIN number off the front of the

Tom Weitzel:

car and see if I could find out who the car was registered to, and as

Tom Weitzel:

soon as I stepped out of my vehicle.

RADIO:

10-4.

RADIO:

North River says you have a unit I have a unit over there,

RADIO:

Northgate Court in Northgate,

Tom Weitzel:

and started to walk towards the, the other vehicle, the back door

Tom Weitzel:

of that car opened up on the driver's side, which was towards the curb.

Tom Weitzel:

And, uh, somebody literally rolled out of it almost like a military roll, and

Tom Weitzel:

I immediately heard the slide of the shotgun and I was shot, immediately

Tom Weitzel:

shot, and it lifted me off the ground

RADIO:

(inaudible).

Tom Weitzel:

So I tried to call for help, but my radio had been

Tom Weitzel:

cut in half by the shotgun blast.

RADIO:

Where that's off (inaudible) officer been shot,

Tom Weitzel:

so I had to crawl back to my squad car.

Tom Weitzel:

Use the in-car radio to call for help.

RADIO:

10-4 no riverside near arms has been shot at.

RADIO:

Six 13 in road from 26th first,

Tom Weitzel:

and I truly believe that they, if they thought they killed me

RADIO:

in the 10-4, November said you had 10-4.

RADIO:

13. 10-4. Six 15.

RADIO:

River Ambulance here right away.

RADIO:

River said you want mine.

RADIO:

Why is proceed with your quick driver side?

RADIO:

They're code, sir. Lord.

RADIO:

10-4. What's the vehicle?

RADIO:

That description, A green or gray four door got dark windows.

RADIO:

No plates.

RADIO:

There's at least three male white

Dennis Collins:

Tom.

Dennis Collins:

Uh, like so many of the heroes that we have on this podcast, uh,

Dennis Collins:

we welcome you and it's always a story that the hero didn't expect.

Dennis Collins:

You know, it's not guns a blazing and it's not, uh, sirens and chases and all that,

Dennis Collins:

that sometimes define the heroes that appear on, on Heroes Behind the Badge.

Dennis Collins:

It's not a dramatic incident.

Dennis Collins:

It's something that showed up without warning, kind of as part of a normal day.

Dennis Collins:

Every hero has that moment.

Dennis Collins:

You had that moment that showed up without warning, that moment that

Dennis Collins:

reshapes your career, reshapes your life.

Dennis Collins:

And from that story, from that moment, everything else flows.

Dennis Collins:

And yours is that great hero story that that one day in August of

Dennis Collins:

1987 in Riverside, Illinois, on a quiet summer night, things changed.

Dennis Collins:

And from that.

Dennis Collins:

Your life changed and a lot of interesting things have happened.

Dennis Collins:

Our audience loves to hear stories like this, so we'd love you, Tom Weitzel to

Dennis Collins:

step forward, uh, law enforcement veteran.

Dennis Collins:

Riverside, Illinois Police Department, 13 years as the chief of said department,

Dennis Collins:

and, uh, uh, a life of service.

Dennis Collins:

I, I'll let you tell.

Dennis Collins:

I don't wanna take your story 'cause it's a great story and I want you to tell it.

Dennis Collins:

So welcome to Heroes Behind the Badge.

Tom Weitzel:

Well, thank you for having me.

Tom Weitzel:

Honored to be here.

Tom Weitzel:

And, you know, I never considered myself a hero and what you were

Tom Weitzel:

alluding to was I was shot in the line of duty and, uh 1987, uh, in August

Tom Weitzel:

and Riverside is a small community of 9,000 west of the city, Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

And not that we didn't see crime, but we didn't have really

Tom Weitzel:

street crime, so to speak of.

Tom Weitzel:

And my incident took place, uh, at three o'clock in the morning.

Tom Weitzel:

I was on patrol.

Tom Weitzel:

We had say we always had one man patrol cars.

Tom Weitzel:

There was no such things in the suburbs as two men and I just came

Tom Weitzel:

upon a car that was illegally parked.

Tom Weitzel:

It was parked, left wheel, the curb, no license plates.

Tom Weitzel:

So I got out of the car to go get the VIN number off the front of the

Tom Weitzel:

car and see if I could find out who the car was registered to, and as

Tom Weitzel:

soon as I stepped out of my vehicle.

Tom Weitzel:

Started to walk towards the, the other vehicle, the back door of

Tom Weitzel:

that car opened up on the driver's side, which was towards the curb.

Tom Weitzel:

And uh, somebody literally rolled out of it almost like a military roll.

Tom Weitzel:

And I immediately heard the slide of the shotgun.

Tom Weitzel:

So it was a pump shotgun.

Tom Weitzel:

And you know, if you've heard that rack, you know what it is.

Tom Weitzel:

And I was shot immediately.

Tom Weitzel:

Shot.

Tom Weitzel:

And.

Tom Weitzel:

It lifted me off the ground and it forced me back and I hit my head

Tom Weitzel:

on the bumper of the squad car.

Tom Weitzel:

Knocked me out probably for a minute, minute and a half.

Tom Weitzel:

When I regained consciousness, the car was, doors were all open, the

Tom Weitzel:

offenders were coming from the yard, jumping into the car and fleeing.

Tom Weitzel:

I looked down to see if I should return fire and the car was going.

Tom Weitzel:

So if I was to return fire, I probably would've just been shooting it randomly

Tom Weitzel:

in the middle of the night and probably would've hit homes instead of anybody.

Tom Weitzel:

So I tried to call for help, but my radio had been cut in half by the

Tom Weitzel:

shotgun blast, so my portable radio, I went over to look at it and the

Tom Weitzel:

antenna was completely shattered and the microphone was completely shattered,

Tom Weitzel:

so I had to crawl back to my squad car.

Tom Weitzel:

Use the in-car radio to call for help.

Tom Weitzel:

And I truly believe that day that they thought they killed me or I was gonna

Tom Weitzel:

die because they could've easily come back after I knocked, was knocked out

Tom Weitzel:

and just pumped another round into me and I for sure would've been dead.

Tom Weitzel:

I think one of the things that I really helped me in that situation

Tom Weitzel:

medically was there was birdshot.

Tom Weitzel:

So what happened is most of my bulletproof vests took it, but I had,

Tom Weitzel:

uh, some eye injuries from the pellets.

Tom Weitzel:

I had broken ribs, I had broken blood vessels, and I had some stomach issues

Tom Weitzel:

that were reel result of the trauma.

Tom Weitzel:

So I actually was in the hospital for three days afterwards,

Tom Weitzel:

uh, before being released.

Tom Weitzel:

And, you know, it was quite an ordeal.

Tom Weitzel:

You know, you have to take into consideration, Riverside had never

Tom Weitzel:

had a police officer involved shooting or a police officer shot

Tom Weitzel:

ever in the history of the village.

Tom Weitzel:

So, um, it was quite a traumatic event.

Tom Weitzel:

And back in the early, the mid eighties departments didn't know

Tom Weitzel:

how to handle those shootings.

Craig Floyd:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

What time of day was that, Tom?

Craig Floyd:

Yeah,

Bill Erfurth:

Tom.

Bill Erfurth:

What time of day was that?

Bill Erfurth:

3:00 AM in the morning.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

So obviously 3:00 AM in the morning.

Bill Erfurth:

It sounds to me like you were describing they were breaking into

Bill Erfurth:

a home or a home invasion there.

Bill Erfurth:

Did any of the neighbors call 9 1 1 after hearing the gunfire?

Tom Weitzel:

Not a single call and you know, what they were doing?

Tom Weitzel:

The person that lived in that house, this was found out through investigation,

Tom Weitzel:

was, uh, worked for the sheriff's office in Cook County and his job

Tom Weitzel:

was to review people that would be up for early release or parole.

Tom Weitzel:

And he had denied the early release to a Chicago gang member.

Tom Weitzel:

He then sent other gang members to go to that house to assassinate him.

Tom Weitzel:

So the intent, the intent was to do a home invasion, kill this this, uh,

Tom Weitzel:

officer that worked for the sheriff's police, but he worked for the, the jail

Tom Weitzel:

side of it to release prisoners and as a retaliation for not letting one of

Tom Weitzel:

their gang members out on early release.

Tom Weitzel:

And then I interrupted it and they shot me instead of the homeowner.

Craig Floyd:

So Tom, really, uh, you saved this guy's life.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, it's, it's obvious that if you hadn't have stumbled upon

Craig Floyd:

that vehicle parked, uh, in a place it shouldn't have been that night

Craig Floyd:

that, that, uh, correctional, uh, professional would've been, uh,

Craig Floyd:

killed and maybe his whole family.

Craig Floyd:

And, and, uh, so kudos to you obviously you suffered, but uh, you saved a life.

Craig Floyd:

You know, one, one of the things I've long been, um, an advocate

Craig Floyd:

of, and, uh, it really upsets me when I see police officers not

Craig Floyd:

wearing their bullet resistant vest.

Craig Floyd:

It doesn't happen as often now as it used to, but, uh, you're talking 1987.

Craig Floyd:

All right, bullet resistant vests were not really worn regularly, and it

Craig Floyd:

was not mandatory back in those days.

Craig Floyd:

But for some reason, uh, maybe it was your wife.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, I'm, I'm sure my wife would've had me wearing a vest, but you purchased

Craig Floyd:

your own vest and it saved your life.

Craig Floyd:

Talk to me about that.

Craig Floyd:

I.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah, so they didn't purchase vests for us when I started.

Tom Weitzel:

You had to do it on your own.

Tom Weitzel:

And actually my wife purchased it as a gift and she had purchased back then the,

Tom Weitzel:

the brand she purchased was Point Blank.

Tom Weitzel:

I dunno if you recall those.

Tom Weitzel:

And.

Tom Weitzel:

We had to wear those under our uniforms.

Tom Weitzel:

The department policy was no.

Tom Weitzel:

Today you see a lot of the vests outside, right?

Tom Weitzel:

You had to wear it under your shirt and under your uniform,

Tom Weitzel:

and it wasn't mandatory.

Tom Weitzel:

So there was not a policy that said the officers must wear it back then.

Tom Weitzel:

So it kind of a, a strange story like, so when after I was shot, Point Blank,

Tom Weitzel:

reached out to me and said, Hey, you know, we'd like to feature you enough.

Tom Weitzel:

Uh, news ad in these police chiefs magazines and police magazines

Tom Weitzel:

about being saved by our vest.

Tom Weitzel:

And in return we will supply the whole department with free vests.

Tom Weitzel:

And they reached out to me about two months after the shooting

Tom Weitzel:

and I did not wanna do it.

Tom Weitzel:

So I told the guy from Point Blank, like, I don't want notoriety.

Tom Weitzel:

And I wasn't ready.

Tom Weitzel:

I wasn't mentally there.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm like, I, I don't want to do this.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't wanna do any ad campaign heroizing, the, you know that I got shot.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't want that.

Tom Weitzel:

Well, when my chief found that out.

Tom Weitzel:

He came over to my house and said, Tom, they're offering to

Tom Weitzel:

buy purchase bulletproof vests for free for every officer.

Tom Weitzel:

If you agree to this media campaign, I'd really like you to do it.

Tom Weitzel:

And I said, no.

Tom Weitzel:

And I think the chief was really upset at me for the rest of

Tom Weitzel:

my career until he retired.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't think he ever forgave me.

Tom Weitzel:

And it was just that I wasn't in a place to do this media blitz two months after

Tom Weitzel:

I was shot, when my wife didn't even want me to go back to work and, you

Tom Weitzel:

know, and, but my chief at the time, all he saw was, Hey, they're going to give

Tom Weitzel:

us free vest for every office there.

Tom Weitzel:

So, so I'd really like you to do this for the department and.

Tom Weitzel:

I didn't, so it caused a big problem then between the administration

Tom Weitzel:

and me during that period of time.

Bill Erfurth:

Tom, I wanna, I wanna get, I wanna.

Bill Erfurth:

Uh, expound on that a little bit, but then I want to get back to your

Bill Erfurth:

story, but Point Blank, everybody down here wore Point Blank.

Bill Erfurth:

I wore a Point Blank vest under my shirt.

Bill Erfurth:

And then later in my career I wore a 30 pound tactical vest from Point Blank.

Bill Erfurth:

And I had been to their facility a number of times because they're

Bill Erfurth:

located just outside of Fort Lauderdale, Florida down here.

Bill Erfurth:

And I remember that program and they used to do that with everybody where

Bill Erfurth:

it was, uh, it was the Point Blank Saves program, and they interviewed all

Bill Erfurth:

these cops that got saved by the vest.

Bill Erfurth:

And it was, it was quite a good thing.

Bill Erfurth:

And, but let's go back to what you were saying about when you did get shot.

Bill Erfurth:

And this gang banger rolls out of his car, out of the back,

Bill Erfurth:

shoots you with this shotgun.

Bill Erfurth:

The rest of the scumbags come running out of the, out of the

Bill Erfurth:

house that are trying to assassinate the homeowner and, and, and, uh.

Bill Erfurth:

Who are these guys?

Bill Erfurth:

What are their backgrounds?

Bill Erfurth:

Why was this happening?

Bill Erfurth:

There's they one, I guess one of 'em or all of them were gang bangers.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

The story behind that was years later, years ATF made a gun running

Tom Weitzel:

arrest and one of the individuals they arrested wanted to give

Tom Weitzel:

information on a police involved.

Tom Weitzel:

He thought it was a murder.

Tom Weitzel:

That's what he told the ATF agent.

Tom Weitzel:

For lessening the charges that he was gonna be going away for and gun running.

Tom Weitzel:

And he's like, you shot him?

Tom Weitzel:

And they said, no, I was with the person that shot him.

Tom Weitzel:

And I will exchange that information if you, you know, give me consideration.

Tom Weitzel:

So ATF said, sure.

Tom Weitzel:

ATF reached out to Chicago, they said, Hey, you have any unsolved

Tom Weitzel:

shootings involving your police officers where they were shot?

Tom Weitzel:

They're like, Nope.

Tom Weitzel:

We do not.

Tom Weitzel:

So ATF thought he was lying and the guy didn't even know that he

Tom Weitzel:

had shot in suburban riverside.

Tom Weitzel:

He thought it was Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

Officer and ATF finally put it together.

Tom Weitzel:

They called one day, talked to our chief and said, Hey, we, we have really good

Tom Weitzel:

lead on the guy that shot your officer.

Tom Weitzel:

Um, unfortunately, we're not gonna be able to do anything with it.

Tom Weitzel:

And the reason was, was because in Illinois in that time, the statute

Tom Weitzel:

of limitations for attempted murder of a police officer was three years.

Tom Weitzel:

If you can believe that.

Tom Weitzel:

Yes.

Tom Weitzel:

Yes.

Tom Weitzel:

Unbelievable.

Tom Weitzel:

It was three years.

Tom Weitzel:

And, um, think about this, in that same time period, the

Tom Weitzel:

charge of forgery was forever.

Tom Weitzel:

So you could write a bad check in Illinois and have the bad check bounce, and the

Tom Weitzel:

police could chase you down for 30 years.

Tom Weitzel:

You could attempt to kill a police officer, and there was a three

Tom Weitzel:

year statute of limitations, and it's since changed.

Tom Weitzel:

I worked with the state legislature when I, when that happened, I was so angry.

Tom Weitzel:

Um, IW we had a state legislator that lived in Riverside and I worked

Tom Weitzel:

with her to get the law changed, but they could do nothing for my case.

Bill Erfurth:

So that to, to me that's almost nuts, nuts, nuts.

Bill Erfurth:

But it's Illinois Bill, come on.

Bill Erfurth:

Well, it's Illinois, you know.

Bill Erfurth:

Well, what can you say?

Bill Erfurth:

But, hey, so three years attempted.

Bill Erfurth:

Murder on a police officer.

Bill Erfurth:

So if it was, if it was attempted murder on a police officer, I guess

Bill Erfurth:

the statute of limitations was the same for attempted murder on anyone?

Bill Erfurth:

Correct?

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

They didn't have a, back then, they didn't even have a designation, so

Tom Weitzel:

it was just attempted murder was a three year statute of limitations.

Tom Weitzel:

Then they didn't even have a subcategory for police.

Bill Erfurth:

Wow.

Bill Erfurth:

Wow.

Bill Erfurth:

Okay, so, and you were just about to tell us you jumped on this bandwagon

Bill Erfurth:

and, and ran with it, I guess.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

I had a state legislator that lived in town.

Tom Weitzel:

Her, her name was Judy Baar Topinka, and I went to her and told her and

Tom Weitzel:

had gotten some local news media coverage and she had heard about it.

Tom Weitzel:

She said, yeah, I'll go, we'll go with you to Springfield, Illinois, the capital,

Tom Weitzel:

and we'll try to get this law changed.

Tom Weitzel:

Along with another law.

Tom Weitzel:

So she came up with the idea like, let's regulate these dark windows.

Tom Weitzel:

Well, let's, let's get some, some regulations in Illinois on how

Tom Weitzel:

dark your windows can be tinted.

Tom Weitzel:

So after some several months of, she proposed legislation and it passed

Tom Weitzel:

overwhelmingly to eliminate the statute of limitations and put the percentage

Tom Weitzel:

of how dark your windows could be in Illinois, uh, for that tinting.

Bill Erfurth:

Hmm.

Bill Erfurth:

Gotcha.

Bill Erfurth:

Tom.

Bill Erfurth:

I wanna back.

Bill Erfurth:

But that never helped your situation though.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah,

Tom Weitzel:

but it wasn't able to help others.

Tom Weitzel:

But no, it did.

Tom Weitzel:

It did not, it was not able to help my situation.

Craig Floyd:

So the guy that shoots you, Tom, uh, gets off scot free.

Craig Floyd:

There was never any justice in your case, although there was some

Craig Floyd:

good legislation, another law that went into place, uh, thankfully,

Craig Floyd:

uh, as a result of your sacrifice.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, I wanna go back to the shooting though.

Craig Floyd:

Um.

Craig Floyd:

You know, thankfully most of us have never been shot.

Craig Floyd:

Okay.

Craig Floyd:

Um, I just want you to try to recollect what went on in your body, in your mind.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, you're almost killed.

Craig Floyd:

You, you, you were lifted off your feet, you said by the shotgun blast,

Craig Floyd:

and obviously did a lot of damage even though the vest, uh, saved your life.

Craig Floyd:

Um, what goes through your head?

Craig Floyd:

I mean, you were able to call.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, dispatch, I guess, and call in your, the shooting.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, tell me what's going on at that point in, in your, your life and the

Craig Floyd:

trauma that you suffered as a result.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah, for me, and I think for most people, that if

Tom Weitzel:

they, if you ever talk to somebody who was stabbed or shot, I, I.

Tom Weitzel:

My training kicked in it, and it didn't take, it took like one

Tom Weitzel:

second, like, so I'm a big advocate for that repetitive training.

Tom Weitzel:

When I got shot, when I woke up from the, my head bouncing off the, uh,

Tom Weitzel:

end of the squad car at the bumper.

Tom Weitzel:

I just immediately went for my handgun immediately.

Tom Weitzel:

They didn't take it.

Tom Weitzel:

It was, I still had it, and back then it was a revolver.

Tom Weitzel:

I had a Smith and Wesson revolver, and they were already fleeing,

Tom Weitzel:

and I would've, I, I literally would've randomly been shooting.

Tom Weitzel:

Down the block in a suburban community.

Tom Weitzel:

So I wasn't gonna do that.

Tom Weitzel:

And then I went for my radio right and it wasn't working and

Tom Weitzel:

I immediately crawled like an the army crawl back to my squad cars.

Tom Weitzel:

My door was still open on the squad 'cause I got out to check

Tom Weitzel:

that VIN number crawled in and.

Tom Weitzel:

Called in help on the police radio and it just was, you go back to your

Tom Weitzel:

survival training and the training you're taught even in the police academy.

Tom Weitzel:

It it, and people have asked me before, how did, how did you revert back there?

Tom Weitzel:

I didn't have to revert back there.

Tom Weitzel:

I just, you just, I just defaulted to my training immediately.

Tom Weitzel:

I can't describe it any other way except for it just clicked.

Tom Weitzel:

You just went back to your training.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

And you know, it's interesting, and I don't know, we, we should

Bill Erfurth:

compare notes here now that you've been retired for a while.

Bill Erfurth:

I'm retired for a while.

Bill Erfurth:

I find myself now, uh, in, you know, out and about and, and I, I see

Bill Erfurth:

something that happens or, you know, I'm always carrying a gun and, and

Bill Erfurth:

I just feel like I'm kind of soft.

Bill Erfurth:

Now I feel like, you know, I'm, you're not.

Bill Erfurth:

Psychologically in that mindset and in that game, and you, you kind of lose it.

Bill Erfurth:

So there's a lot to be said about that repetitive behavior

Bill Erfurth:

of muscle memory from training.

Bill Erfurth:

And I feel like now, uh, I'm not even near what I, what I should be or how I was.

Bill Erfurth:

I guess it's better to say.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah, I would agree.

Tom Weitzel:

You lose if you're not like I, you know, I used to, we, our qualification in

Tom Weitzel:

the department was every month, right?

Tom Weitzel:

You, you get really good.

Tom Weitzel:

Even, even the officers who aren't really proficient, the more

Tom Weitzel:

you do it, the better you get.

Tom Weitzel:

Without a doubt.

Tom Weitzel:

And the physical fitness and, you know, any ground fighting

Tom Weitzel:

training we would have.

Tom Weitzel:

Um, and even in retire, I have a few things I do.

Tom Weitzel:

My wife still drives me crazy.

Tom Weitzel:

She drives me.

Tom Weitzel:

I mean, crazy by saying, when I go to restaurants and stuff, I always have,

Tom Weitzel:

I always pick a table where I can see the door and don't have my back

Tom Weitzel:

to it, and it drives my wife crazy.

Tom Weitzel:

But she goes, you've been retired now.

Tom Weitzel:

You're still doing that.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm like, I do.

Tom Weitzel:

I, that's just what I've done my whole life.

Bill Erfurth:

And it could happen anywhere, anytime.

Bill Erfurth:

Doesn't matter whether you're retired or not.

Bill Erfurth:

I mean, we told a story about this guy.

Bill Erfurth:

He was a, uh, police chief in Kentucky.

Bill Erfurth:

He was 80 years old, and he walked down the driveway to his

Bill Erfurth:

mailbox to get the mail one day.

Bill Erfurth:

And you know, your situation was with a shotgun.

Bill Erfurth:

So some scumbag jumped out of a car with a shotgun and blew his head off.

Bill Erfurth:

He was 80 years old.

Bill Erfurth:

He'd been retired for years.

Bill Erfurth:

This guy had been just recently released from prison.

Bill Erfurth:

And this guy, this 80-year-old man police chief had put him in

Bill Erfurth:

prison 30 years ago, something like that, and boom, all of a sudden.

Bill Erfurth:

So, you know, you never know and it's always better to, to be safe than sorry.

Bill Erfurth:

But I wanna ask you about this piece of shit that shot you.

Bill Erfurth:

Who is this guy?

Bill Erfurth:

I guess you know his name.

Bill Erfurth:

Do you know anything about him?

Bill Erfurth:

Did he go to prison?

Bill Erfurth:

Is he hopefully dead?

Bill Erfurth:

What's his deal?

Tom Weitzel:

He is dead now.

Tom Weitzel:

He did not go to prison for my, he was a Latin King gang member in Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

Uh, and he was a high ranking.

Tom Weitzel:

Latin King gang member.

Tom Weitzel:

And yes, uh, he died in a street battle.

Tom Weitzel:

Years later.

Tom Weitzel:

He did have some prison stints between my shooting and when the individual wanted to

Tom Weitzel:

give him up for to ATF, he had some minor arrest that he had done, like a six months

Tom Weitzel:

or a year, and he never did an extended period of time in state prison ever, and

Tom Weitzel:

that he was killed himself in a shootout.

Bill Erfurth:

So the Latin gang, Latin Kings was a was at the

Bill Erfurth:

time and I don't know about now.

Bill Erfurth:

It was a pretty vicious street gang.

Tom Weitzel:

Very violent street gang.

Tom Weitzel:

And they, at one time they controlled Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

They still are a violent street game in Chi in Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

There just are many other street games in Chicago with that same status.

Tom Weitzel:

But in the early and mid eighties, the Latin Kings ruled the city of Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah, Chicago put 'em on their radar for sure.

Tom Weitzel:

He had already been on their radar, but after this had taken place, 'cause.

Tom Weitzel:

We had received a phone call from the Chicago Police and their tactical

Tom Weitzel:

commander, which is the officers they send out in plain clothes.

Tom Weitzel:

They knew the individual well, um, and they were gonna make sure

Tom Weitzel:

that they kept a close watch.

Tom Weitzel:

We even received phone calls from the FBI and the United States Secret

Tom Weitzel:

Service at that time, offering any help that they could to.

Tom Weitzel:

Maybe make a case against this individual for other crimes that, that, like maybe

Tom Weitzel:

putting them up on wires and stuff.

Tom Weitzel:

You couldn't get 'em for my crime that that was off the books.

Tom Weitzel:

It was never gonna happen.

Tom Weitzel:

Right.

Tom Weitzel:

But they, you know, the feds did call 'em, say, Hey, you know,

Tom Weitzel:

we're, we're, you know, maybe we'll get this guy on our radar too.

Tom Weitzel:

We'll just keep 'em on the radar so that we're following their activity.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't, I did not see the federal government make an arrest.

Tom Weitzel:

Chicago had many contacts with them after this took place and then.

Tom Weitzel:

Uh, you know, some people will say, unfortunately, he was killed in Chicago.

Tom Weitzel:

I wouldn't be one of those people to say that.

Tom Weitzel:

And, and that was in a gang and he, there were no innocent people in that.

Tom Weitzel:

Those were gang bangers shooting each other.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah, a little street justice there.

Bill Erfurth:

Hopefully.

Craig Floyd:

Tom, here's my favorite part of the story though.

Craig Floyd:

So you're shot in August of 1987.

Craig Floyd:

Nearly killed.

Craig Floyd:

Spend three days in the hospital recovering, uh, then you go home.

Craig Floyd:

As, as most wives would do, it's my understanding that your wife discouraged

Craig Floyd:

you from going back on the job.

Craig Floyd:

You'd been on the job, I believe, three years, uh, at the time of

Craig Floyd:

the shooting, and yet you decided to go back and become a police

Craig Floyd:

officer once again, even though it.

Craig Floyd:

The profession nearly killed you and I, I have to ask you, because most normal

Craig Floyd:

people, I don't think would've done that.

Craig Floyd:

But you went on not only to go back on the job for a few more years,

Craig Floyd:

you, you served 37 years in law enforcement and uh, 13 of them as

Craig Floyd:

Chief of Police in that same department that you were serving back in 1987.

Craig Floyd:

I'm just trying to understand, number one, how did, how did your wife,

Craig Floyd:

uh, continue living with you after you decided to go back, uh, against

Craig Floyd:

her wishes and why did you do it?

Craig Floyd:

My friend?

Craig Floyd:

Uh, 37 years, uh, in a profession that, uh, nearly cost your life,

Craig Floyd:

and now you have three sons that are serving in that same profession.

Craig Floyd:

Now, most people wouldn't have done that.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

Um, so I'll, first of all, I'll say I've always thought law

Tom Weitzel:

enforcement and policing is the most honorable profession ever.

Tom Weitzel:

I've always thought that I wanted to be a policeman my whole life.

Tom Weitzel:

I was the type of kid that I went to, a Catholic grade school.

Tom Weitzel:

When I hear a siren, I'd run to the window and the nuns would

Tom Weitzel:

have to pull me back to my seat.

Tom Weitzel:

So I, I always wanted to be in law enforcement.

Tom Weitzel:

And then when this incident happened, the shooting afterwards when I came home.

Tom Weitzel:

What I found out had happened to my wife was terrible, and she, she was

Tom Weitzel:

really turned off by the way she was notified and, and what had happened.

Tom Weitzel:

So originally when I, when the department found out, you know,

Tom Weitzel:

the rest of the officer found out I was shot, they called the chief.

Tom Weitzel:

The chief said, okay, I'm gonna go over to Tom's house, pick up his wife.

Tom Weitzel:

He calls my wife, he's in the park.

Tom Weitzel:

We live in an apartment.

Tom Weitzel:

At that time, he says, I'm down in the parking lot.

Tom Weitzel:

This is what, this is how my wife gets notified.

Tom Weitzel:

I've been shot.

Tom Weitzel:

He says.

Tom Weitzel:

Your husband has been shot.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't know if he's alive.

Tom Weitzel:

Come down to the parking lot.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm gonna drive you to the hospital.

Tom Weitzel:

Wow.

Tom Weitzel:

She throws, she throws on some clothes, comes down to the, in

Tom Weitzel:

his chief's car that he drive to.

Tom Weitzel:

Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Illinois, where I was taken.

Tom Weitzel:

And he drops my wife off at the drive-through.

Tom Weitzel:

He doesn't go in.

Tom Weitzel:

Now, imagine this, my wife goes into the ER on her own.

Tom Weitzel:

The media's already there.

Tom Weitzel:

So my wife goes into the emergency room and she's surrounded by media

Tom Weitzel:

with no other police officers.

Tom Weitzel:

There are no media.

Tom Weitzel:

Our chief left, 'cause he said he was going back to the scene.

Tom Weitzel:

He told her instead of stay with her and.

Tom Weitzel:

When I got home after the shooting, my wife said, look, I, I can't take this.

Tom Weitzel:

I, I need you to find something else to do.

Tom Weitzel:

And over these six weeks that I wasn't, I was recuperating.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm like, what else do I know?

Tom Weitzel:

I don't.

Tom Weitzel:

This is what I've trained my whole life for.

Tom Weitzel:

It's what I wanted to do My whole life.

Tom Weitzel:

I, I don't really have skills right now at 22, 23, however old I was

Tom Weitzel:

like, I'm, I'm not a carpenter.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm not an electrician.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't have those skills.

Tom Weitzel:

The skills I have are in law enforcement.

Tom Weitzel:

And I had this talk with my wife.

Tom Weitzel:

I said, I really have to go back.

Tom Weitzel:

She goes, you have to go back or wanna go back.

Tom Weitzel:

And it started out as.

Tom Weitzel:

I have to go back.

Tom Weitzel:

By the end of the six weeks I wanted to go back and I said, you have to be on

Tom Weitzel:

board, you know, and she wasn't, at first, she was like, I can't, this is terrible.

Tom Weitzel:

I don't like the way the department treated you.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm scared to death.

Tom Weitzel:

I didn't know if you were alive or dead.

Tom Weitzel:

Um, and this is a small suburban police department.

Tom Weitzel:

She's like, oh my God, if it happens in Riverside, I, I mean, what's next?

Tom Weitzel:

So we had a lot of conversations and I got to a place where I wanted to go back.

Tom Weitzel:

Being the profession that I loved and still love and serve honorably.

Tom Weitzel:

And you know, on a side note, when I went back, they sent me, I had

Tom Weitzel:

to go through all the usual, see a shrink and all this stuff to

Tom Weitzel:

get legal to get back on the road.

Tom Weitzel:

And the chief said to me, um, yeah, you know, I don't think, you might

Tom Weitzel:

not rise too high in the department.

Tom Weitzel:

Like, I think this is gonna hold you back being shot.

Bill Erfurth:

What an asshole.

Bill Erfurth:

So, you know, you don't have to name names, but Yeah, asshole.

Bill Erfurth:

That's a good thing.

Bill Erfurth:

So, you know, honestly, because I'm as the, as you're telling this story, and

Bill Erfurth:

I'm thinking, you know, every experience that I had with someone that was shot.

Bill Erfurth:

They were forever anointed and taken care of on the police department.

Bill Erfurth:

Heroes, you know, when they came back to work, they got a suite assignment,

Bill Erfurth:

they got what they wanted, they were looked out for, they often got promoted.

Bill Erfurth:

This is contrary to everything that you're saying.

Tom Weitzel:

You know what I did, they did with me.

Tom Weitzel:

When I returned, they sent me, I had to go to the shrink and then they sent

Tom Weitzel:

me to, uh, somebody to put hypnosis so maybe I could give a better description.

Tom Weitzel:

And back in the eighties, they didn't know what they did.

Tom Weitzel:

It was, it didn't work.

Tom Weitzel:

It was a joke.

Tom Weitzel:

But they, they wouldn't allow me to, I had to ride a two man police

Tom Weitzel:

car for the first month 'cause they were afraid I would overreact.

Tom Weitzel:

And then they took me off midnight and they didn't put, so they would.

Tom Weitzel:

They wouldn't allow me to work midnights for over six months.

Tom Weitzel:

So I worked just days in four to 12 when I always worked midnights

Tom Weitzel:

because I was so young, right?

Tom Weitzel:

It was all by seniority.

Tom Weitzel:

So that was their answer to putting me back on the street, keeping me off the

Tom Weitzel:

midnight shift, and having me double up with an officer until that officer

Tom Weitzel:

said, yeah, I don't think Tom will overreact, because the chief told me,

Tom Weitzel:

he is like, yeah, after being shot, I think you might overreact on a situation.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm like, where did you come up with that?

Tom Weitzel:

Like what kind of training do like you have, you know?

Tom Weitzel:

So, 'cause these, the chiefs back then, they didn't have a lot of training in

Tom Weitzel:

this area, especially if you were in suburban department where they never

Tom Weitzel:

experienced an officer shooting ever.

Tom Weitzel:

They didn't know what to do.

Bill Erfurth:

So you feel like you got maybe a little bit of retribution

Bill Erfurth:

after you told that story about, uh, the Point Blank situation I suppose.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah.

Tom Weitzel:

And you know, and I didn't really, I took some credit.

Tom Weitzel:

I didn't, and my thing was I didn't wanna bring notoriety to myself on that.

Tom Weitzel:

I, I was only on the job three years.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm a lonely patrolman.

Tom Weitzel:

I have no authority.

Tom Weitzel:

I have no rank, I have nothing.

Tom Weitzel:

And I didn't want this to define my career.

Tom Weitzel:

And you're right.

Tom Weitzel:

People, I mean, when I, people looked at you differently when you come back,

Tom Weitzel:

but if you're, if you're being held in a thing where they're giving you special

Tom Weitzel:

assignments and maybe looking at you as, Hey, you've been through the battle.

Tom Weitzel:

That didn't happen with me.

Tom Weitzel:

I was given no special assignments.

Tom Weitzel:

I wasn't, I wasn't, uh, treated any differently.

Tom Weitzel:

The officers were great, the administration was not.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah, I'm sure.

Bill Erfurth:

I'm sure.

Bill Erfurth:

And it's, and it all well on that point, it always seems to be that way.

Craig Floyd:

Bill, you may know this too.

Craig Floyd:

I, I know Tom does.

Craig Floyd:

But, um, we, at the National Law Enforcement Officers

Craig Floyd:

Memorial Fund had worked very closely as partners with DuPont.

Craig Floyd:

DuPont makes the Kevlar fiber, that gives the bullet resistant vests,

Craig Floyd:

their, their resistance power.

Craig Floyd:

And, uh, it's been extremely valuable.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, those vests have saved.

Craig Floyd:

Thousands and thousands of police lives since they started being

Craig Floyd:

used back in, uh, the mid 1970s.

Craig Floyd:

And they do have A-I-A-C-P, DuPont Kevlar Survivors Club.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, people like Tom become members of that club when they are saved by a bullet

Craig Floyd:

resistant vest, and they're usually.

Craig Floyd:

Publicized, uh, Tom, I can understand, uh, the traumatic, uh, event you were

Craig Floyd:

going through and, and just months after the shooting, you were asked to kind of

Craig Floyd:

be out there and, and tell your story.

Craig Floyd:

I, I can understand why you would be hesitant to do that, but I will say that

Craig Floyd:

the, uh, survivors club, um, I think just the mere fact that they're telling

Craig Floyd:

stories about officers who've been saved by their vests have encouraged.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, thousands of officers to wear their vests because I think most

Craig Floyd:

officers, sometimes it's hot.

Craig Floyd:

Sometimes these vests can be uncomfortable, especially

Craig Floyd:

in the summer months.

Craig Floyd:

But the bottom line is you never know when that life-threatening moment may come.

Craig Floyd:

But you do know that it could come on the very next call and that

Craig Floyd:

vest may very well save your life.

Craig Floyd:

So that's kind of a public service announcement I'll make, uh, for all

Craig Floyd:

those law enforcement professionals.

Craig Floyd:

And there.

Craig Floyd:

Family members that are listening because, uh, as in your case, Tom, uh,

Craig Floyd:

I know of a lot of wives and children of officers who have purchased bullet

Craig Floyd:

resistant vest to make sure their loved one, uh, gets home safely.

Craig Floyd:

So I hope that continues.

Bill Erfurth:

Well, and you know, and you know, Craig, you're talking

Bill Erfurth:

about DuPont and you're talking about, uh, you know, Point Blank.

Bill Erfurth:

Well, we'll talk about the IACP napal, the Top COP Awards, all those kind of things.

Bill Erfurth:

You know, oftentimes an officer, you know, like, like Tom, you know,

Bill Erfurth:

you have a traumatic incident, you're involved in some situation.

Bill Erfurth:

These people.

Bill Erfurth:

Have awards and, and banquets, and you're recognized, and oftentimes there's some

Bill Erfurth:

kind of monetary award or something else.

Bill Erfurth:

Nice.

Bill Erfurth:

That's done for you.

Bill Erfurth:

Tom, how did your chief treat you at the time?

Bill Erfurth:

I mean, you should have been the officer of the month, the officer of the year.

Bill Erfurth:

Uh, what happened?

Tom Weitzel:

It was, it, it, it was very, he treated me very poorly.

Tom Weitzel:

There's no question about that.

Tom Weitzel:

And I think it was lack of education and knowing what to

Tom Weitzel:

do, I mean, would never happen.

Tom Weitzel:

So what happened to me with my chief in the administration.

Tom Weitzel:

You'd be fired.

Tom Weitzel:

Now if you were a chief, you'd act like that.

Tom Weitzel:

Now they maybe, you know, we've made a lot of progress, right?

Tom Weitzel:

In officers post-traumatic stress disorder, a lot of treatment,

Tom Weitzel:

there was really none of that.

Tom Weitzel:

It was basically get right, go get your legalities done, like be the

Tom Weitzel:

shrink, will tell you that you can come back to work so Riverside isn't sued.

Tom Weitzel:

And that was about it.

Tom Weitzel:

And there was really no follow up.

Tom Weitzel:

I did receive the Kevlar DuPont award and the chief didn't really want to kind of

Tom Weitzel:

highlight that, so they wanted to present it at a village board meeting Okay.

Tom Weitzel:

In front of our elected officials.

Tom Weitzel:

And, uh, maybe the police officers could come and he just wanted it.

Tom Weitzel:

To be acknowledged and not have that.

Tom Weitzel:

So, you know, being young back then, I just, I didn't, you know, I didn't

Tom Weitzel:

wanna, uh, you know, you're naive.

Tom Weitzel:

I wanna get back to work.

Tom Weitzel:

You're confused.

Tom Weitzel:

You, you didn't get the support you thought you should get from the

Tom Weitzel:

administration, not the officers.

Tom Weitzel:

The officers were fantastic, but.

Tom Weitzel:

So it, I, while I did receive that award that, uh, Craig just mentioned earlier,

Tom Weitzel:

it, um, wasn't on the stain plateau that you would see that done today.

Bill Erfurth:

Wow.

Bill Erfurth:

That's crazy to me.

Bill Erfurth:

So what happened to that guy?

Bill Erfurth:

Hopefully you got fired.

Bill Erfurth:

And then the other part of my question is clearly as you rose through the ranks, you

Bill Erfurth:

know, in deference to what that guy said.

Bill Erfurth:

Well, you, you became the police chief there, so I'm sure this was

Bill Erfurth:

an invaluable lesson to you and you never treated your folks like that.

Tom Weitzel:

That's exactly right.

Tom Weitzel:

I, I made a focus, you know, when you're a patrolman, you're not gonna,

Tom Weitzel:

you don't say, I want to be the chief.

Tom Weitzel:

You just want to be able to do your job.

Tom Weitzel:

But I held every rank.

Tom Weitzel:

I went, I was patrolman, I went to street sergeant, I went to detective

Tom Weitzel:

sergeant, I went to Operations Lieutenant, and then finally deputy

Tom Weitzel:

Chief and I was even acting chief until they decided what they wanted to do.

Tom Weitzel:

So when the chief left at that time.

Tom Weitzel:

When the shot spot was open, they weren't sure that they wanted to go inside.

Tom Weitzel:

So the village was doing this national search for a police chief.

Tom Weitzel:

And you know, they came to me and said, Hey, put your name in.

Tom Weitzel:

And I said, I'm not putting my name in.

Tom Weitzel:

I've worked here 25.

Tom Weitzel:

You guys know me.

Tom Weitzel:

If you don't want me your chief, I'm okay with that.

Tom Weitzel:

Like, I'm not, I'm, that's okay.

Tom Weitzel:

Right.

Tom Weitzel:

And then, uh, the following day, the, uh, village president and

Tom Weitzel:

the city manager came and said.

Tom Weitzel:

Yeah, we do want you, like, how, how do what, what do we

Tom Weitzel:

do to get you to be a chief?

Tom Weitzel:

And when I accepted it, I, you could, my wife was here, she'd tell you the

Tom Weitzel:

same thing I said all the years that I was going up in the department, I

Tom Weitzel:

am not gonna have policies like this.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm gonna be a completely different um, chief.

Tom Weitzel:

I'm gonna make sure that the officers are well taken care of.

Tom Weitzel:

And in fact, I bet you that there were some politicians that would

Tom Weitzel:

tell you that I was quote unquote.

Tom Weitzel:

Officers chief, like maybe I wasn't as administrative as I should have been, that

Tom Weitzel:

I had a tendency to really support the rank and file police officers and I did.

Tom Weitzel:

But you know, I lasted as 13 years as the chief.

Tom Weitzel:

So I think a lot of the politicians that I served under, they supported

Tom Weitzel:

that because I was not what you would consider a chief that sat in his office

Tom Weitzel:

all day and put memos out and emails.

Tom Weitzel:

I mean, I was out there with my officers and.

Tom Weitzel:

I wanted to be different, and if that, they didn't want that kind of chief,

Tom Weitzel:

I didn't want to be their chief.

Paul Boomer:

Tom's story of survival is remarkable, but what happened next

Paul Boomer:

would test him in ways he never imagined.

Paul Boomer:

Next episode, we'll hear about his fight against a justice system that

Paul Boomer:

failed him and how his advocacy is protecting officers across Illinois.

Paul Boomer:

Join us for part two of Tom Weitzel's story.

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