Tequila Sunrise | S1E41

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Hello.

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Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to a retro

made your pop culture rewind.

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Today is a very special episode

for a couple of reasons.

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One we're completing our exploration

of the best of Patrick Swayze and Kurt

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Russell's eighties and nineties movies

for season one, the ultimate everyman.

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And I have third time.

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Repeating guest with me, Ryan,

because he started the show

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with me with the first episode.

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He came back about midway through

and I'm very grateful that he has

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agreed to join me to bookend the

season and finish it up with me.

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Ryan.

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Thanks for joining me

for the final episode

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of season 1.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, this is it, eh?

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I was actually thinking, when, not,

when, when is this going to end?

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Because there's just so many films

still, there's more films you can cover

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that you said the best of, so this is,

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Katie: There will be a bonus episode

where I wrap it up with a bow about our

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everyman and, what we covered kind of

by the numbers, but there's 40 movies.

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This is the 40th movie.

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We did a couple of bonuses in there.

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But the criteria essentially

was that they had to be.

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One of the mains in the

movie from the 80s or 90s.

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So not not any of their more modern work

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Ryan Rebalkin: And I guess, yeah, I guess

that is yeah, that's a lot of films,

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let's say 20 each or whatever it is.

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It's, it's been fun.

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I've listened to every episode.

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I don't just say that, as you

know, I listened to every episode.

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I always enjoy it.

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I just want to give a shout

out to a Moody and Gru.

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They were on your, one of the later.

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Or last episodes I've

listened to at the time

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Katie: used cars.

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Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

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Use cars.

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with a movie I haven't seen yet.

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So I know you listened to one of my other

podcasts, the Ed Zwick podcast called

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Zwick's flicks, the Ed Zwick podcast.

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There's me plugging that.

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So check it out where you've been a guest

co host and that for three episodes,

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but I know you listened to that show

too, and you'll listen to episodes,

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even if you haven't seen the movie, for

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I do the same for you.

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Use cars is one I definitely

want to see, but I just want to

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give a shout out to Moody and

Gru who are guests hosts on that.

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Katie: They were great guests.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Are you

going on their show?

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Have you done that one

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Katie: oh Whoa funnily enough Ryan

And it ties into our movie today.

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I will say just at the top, the

movie we're going to cover today,

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we're going to go back to December

of: 1988

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And one of the stars, probably

like the 4th build is Raul Julia.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, that's right.

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Katie: The reason I bring that up

is because literally later today,

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I'm guesting on the Vandammit

podcast covering Street Fighter

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with Raul Julia.

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I

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just thought that was

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Ryan Rebalkin: it's last

film, believe it or not.

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Katie: It was his last

theatrical appearance.

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Ryan Rebalkin: And not to spoil

that you're talking points on that.

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I'm sure they'll bring it up, but

I think he did it for his children.

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I think he did that film.

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So his kids could watch

daddy being the fun film

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Katie: They were fans of the video game.

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So, yep.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Katie: So everybody check out that

it'll probably be coming out about

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the same time this episode does.

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All right.

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Well, we'll talk more about

some of your other projects.

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You mentioned Ed's Wick

which is a very good show.

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It's, it's a quality show.

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I love how you do it, Ryan.

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And he's, you know, he might not be

a household name from a director's,

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you know, he's not a Scorsese, But I

think you all might be surprised at

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some of the films that he has done.

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So it's a fun.

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Look back at Ed Zwick films.

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I highly recommend y'all check out

Ryan's Ed Zwick podcast, Zwick's Flicks.

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That's a mouthful.

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Ryan Rebalkin: it is a mouthful.

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Thank you for that.

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And I do another show that I'll

just plug this one other one.

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That's a kind of a

passion project as well.

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It's called the worst of the best podcast,

which you've actually guest co hosted

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on, I think at least once, if not.

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More than once.

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I know you did a friends episode with

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

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So basically,

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long story short, with this podcast,

it's a variety of different topics.

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It can be anything from actors,

music, actresses, of course,

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movies but it's like the best of

something and it's a top 10 list.

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It could be even conspiracy theory.

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So it's the top 10 things that make

that conspiracy theory believable

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or not, whatever the topic might be.

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We try to keep it fun and light and.

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We will then my brother and I, at the

end of the episode, we'll just pick

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what we think is the worst of that

best, whatever, whatever the worst song

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on a favorite album is the worst film

from a top grossing actor, you know,

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so what is their worst top grossing

film that we think is the worst.

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It's all.

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This is what, yeah, it's all subjective.

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That's right.

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There's no real science to this.

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It's just a, whatever we feel

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is the worst for whatever reason.

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And the time is recording.

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We'll be doing soon we'll be

released the top grossing.

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10 or 15 Google searches of 2024.

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Katie: Oh, you do that every year, right?

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Ryan Rebalkin: we do that every

year, That's our yearly wrap up.

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And we're old.

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I think if this is, if you can

believe it, this is our ninth annual

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celebrity death episode coming up.

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I

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Katie: You've been doing

this for nine years.

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Ryan Rebalkin: know I, every time I

think it's too much, I go back and check.

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I'm like, yeah, this

is the eighth or ninth.

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I think it's the ninth annual.

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Celebrity death.

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It's our favorite

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time of the year where we get

to celebrate the the deaths.

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I mean, the lives of our

favorite celebrities.

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And we, we think, well, Ryan,

how can you pick the worst?

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What we do is, is we decide.

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Which one is maybe the worst personality

is that where we're kind of, I'm not

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really sad that you're dead and that

happens, for example, we've had some

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like different leaders of the world

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who have

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Katie: dictators and

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Ryan Rebalkin: the dictator's Yeah,

we're not too sad that that person died.

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And then or the one that

affected us the worst.

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So the one that really stung.

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So the one that hurt the most.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Katie: Yeah, I like it.

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How do you go about choosing

aside from your annual ones?

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How do you have a running?

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Brainstorm spreadsheet or something?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah,

that's a great question.

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So often it will stem from just the

music ones are obvious because there'll

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be albums or bands that my co hosts or

guest co hosts, my brother and I enjoy.

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So it's easy.

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Those are easy to do.

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They're ironically the most work to

get through, cause it just seemed

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to take the longest to record,

but they're easy to talk about.

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Cool.

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For top 10 stuff.

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I'll sort of just curate Google

and just say top 10 scary movies or

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top 10, it was something like that.

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I'll, I'll, I'll just have to think of

ideas of just sometimes a X video will,

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will trigger an idea, things like that.

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So that's kind of how it works.

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Katie: Check it out guys.

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And hey if you like Rocky.

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Ryan and I get together every other

week with our other co host Kyle

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to talk about the Rocky movies.

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And, you know, you might be wondering if

you're not already listening to the show,

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how much is there really to talk about?

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But everyone asks me that,

Ryan, when they find out I do

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a show about the Rocky podcast.

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I'm like, well, you'd be surprised.

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So each season, you guys, season one was

the original Rocky, season two, Rocky two.

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So we are on season five, aka Rocky five.

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And there are, I don't know,

20 episodes a season, maybe.

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Ryan Rebalkin: About that.

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Yeah, give or take.

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Yeah, we have the tendency to talk

too much as people are probably

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wondering or seeing now They're go boy.

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This guy talks.

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So So the episodes take we yeah,

we go through the films in order.

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It's been a lot of fun I didn't

want to plug that one necessarily

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because I think you've plugged it.

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I didn't want to seem

like I'm some sort of like

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Katie: No, no, no, no.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Cause I'm

really not anything, but that's

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a fun one to do with you.

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You were gracious enough to, I invited

you to be a guest co host when my other

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brother did that with me originally,

he retired from podcasting as they

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say, and you came on with Kyle.

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So thank you for, you've been wonderful.

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You're the the voice I didn't know

we needed on the show because.

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I, I hate, you know, I'm most afraid to

say a female voice, but like anyways,

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but you do identify as a female.

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You are a woman, so I can

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safely say, I can safely say, it's

been nice having that perspective.

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It's been a, it's been a new perspective

for the, for that journey of the film.

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So

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Katie: Yeah.

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And if you're not already

listening to that.

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I don't know what you're

doing with your life.

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The it's called one more round,

the Rocky series podcast.

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Check it out.

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Okay.

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Without further ado, I do want to do

the time capsule, but a little note.

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Katie had a little little

accident and broke her wrist.

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So I am behind on life and

all my podcasting and doing

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everything with one hand.

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And it's more challenging than

I thought it was going to be.

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So we're going to do an

abbreviated version of the

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time capsule because research.

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And typing with one hand,

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it's difficult.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Wife, as you know,

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Katie: well, I did think of her.

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I did think of her here's

something I will say.

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How does.

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she pull her hair up?

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Ryan Rebalkin: She does.

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Maybe I'll have to have her do a video

of how she does this so you can see.

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So, as you know, she has her elbow up.

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From her left arm.

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So she's missing her elbow down.

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So she has this part of the elbow,

the part where they can bend.

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She has that part there.

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So she uses that.

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She'll she can

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actually hold like a measuring cup

in there when she does baking and

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Katie: Kirk of

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Ryan Rebalkin: she'll, she'll

actually use that too, to type.

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So she'll type with her elbow and

her fingers on the right hand.

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So you'll see her type like this.

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It's

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Katie: She's learned how to do

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah.

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To her, it's Just like

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: you, she's never not had.

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An arm and a half,

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: she's just

lived her life that way.

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So yeah, she does her hair up.

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The only thing she says she can't

do is tie her shoes and monkey bars.

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Katie: Yeah, so I, you

know, that's the hat.

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I can't do much with my hair.

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I really struggle not being able to put,

I have long hair and I usually put it up

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in like a clip when I'm not, whatever.

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It's, it's a problem you guys.

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So, so anyway.

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That's why we're doing

an abbreviated version.

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My wardrobe is very limited too.

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Cause nothing fits over this business.

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Ryan Rebalkin: She's

wearing clothes for our

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Katie: Yeah.

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Just like a cape, like a

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Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, like how

you say your wardrobe is limited.

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She's wearing nothing folks.

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She can't put anything on.

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So she's new on camera.

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Katie: Well, so anyway,

that's what's going on.

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But.

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We shall open the time

capsule from December: 1988

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Late 80s were great.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Mm

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Katie: TV was amazing.

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I don't think we've actually

had a movie from 88 yet.

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So I'm going to quickly like for the

Nielsen ratings for 88 to 89 season.

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Number one.

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Do you have any guesses what it is, Ryan?

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Number one show.

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It's a sitcom.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Cheers.

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Katie: Close.

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One more guess.

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Ryan Rebalkin: 88 Cosby show.

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Katie: Cosby Show.

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Cosby Show's the number one show.

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Number two is Roseanne.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I you know, what's

funny you keep talking about Roseanne

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on the show and it's a comedy show

I think I might have mentioned

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one of my guest appearances, but

it's just one I never watched.

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Katie: That's so good.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I've seen episodes like I

recognize I know Roseanne despite whatever

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: comedic talent and I do

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I do like her energy and I do like

her comedy Style is funny enough

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But it's just a show at that time.

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Keep in mind.

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I was a 13 year old boy at

that time and so I was I this

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is the idea of watching that.

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I don't know what it was It wasn't

a draw to 13 year old ryan, but

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you know my age now, I would

probably watch enjoy it now for sure

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Katie: I'm curious why because there's

kids in it, and the kids are good in it.

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It's just about a family, family

dynamics, but a working class family.

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And I think that's why it resonated with a

lot of peoples, because it was they didn't

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Ryan Rebalkin: was very rich.

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I

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was very rich growing up.

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Katie: maybe you were just

too, too snooty for it.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I would trust you.

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I was, Oh no, we were I think

Roseanne did better than we did.

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So I don't know what,

you know, what's funny.

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It just did not resonate.

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I was aware of the show, but I was

never drawn to it for some reason.

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Yeah.

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Katie: it's one of my favorites.

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So I like, you know, number two, 1988.

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One that kind of surprises me is that

number three is a different world,

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which is the Cosby show spinoff.

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And I liked that show, but I

didn't realize it was that popular.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Probably that

coattail thing of who knows when

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it was at the first season maybe

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Katie: Probably.

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Yeah, maybe.

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Ryan Rebalkin: That initial bump, you

know from the Cosby show, but then people

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like hmm I'm not sure if this

is much it probably didn't last

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what did last more than four or

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five seasons, you know

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Katie: it probably was maybe four seasons,

probably, maybe yeah, and then Cheers

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yay

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Katie: and then Big

Shocker, the Golden Girls.

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It is always in the top 10.

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Ryan Rebalkin: It was just funny.

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I watched that.

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So there you go.

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I would watch the golden girls.

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I had no interest in older women as

they would say, but I love, I love the

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golden girls, even as a 13 year old or

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Katie: Everyone liked that show.

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Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: that's what

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I mean.

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So who knows why things are drawn to

you and what other shows aren't, but

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: 00:13:34

yeah, I watched the golden girls.

335

: 00:13:35

Yeah.

336

: 00:13:36

Katie: Also, one of my favorites.

337

: 00:13:37

Who's the boss?

338

: 00:13:39

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, watch that,

of course, because crushing on

339

: 00:13:41

Alyssa Milano were the same age.

340

: 00:13:42

So totally appropriate age appropriate.

341

: 00:13:45

I crushed on her as a teenager

and then I kind of like had

342

: 00:13:47

a milk crush on the mother.

343

: 00:13:49

I can't help it.

344

: 00:13:49

So

345

: 00:13:50

Katie: Judith Light, the blonde,

346

: 00:13:52

Ryan Rebalkin: it.

347

: 00:13:52

yeah.

348

: 00:13:52

Yeah.

349

: 00:13:53

Yeah.

350

: 00:13:53

Katie: Gilf I think a lot

of people digged Doug Mona.

351

: 00:13:56

Ryan Rebalkin: I think it was the

whole family as a teenage boy.

352

: 00:14:00

It's very easy to crush it.

353

: 00:14:01

A lot of different things, but yeah,

354

: 00:14:04

Katie: Yeah, yeah, I really liked

Mona, but I'm, I'm a Tony Macelli man.

355

: 00:14:08

I love, I loved Tony Danza, so.

356

: 00:14:11

Ryan Rebalkin: he was a very

yeah, I like 22 from taxi that

357

: 00:14:13

I watched him on taxi first.

358

: 00:14:14

Yeah

359

: 00:14:15

Katie: And then Murder she Wrote,

which you've already mentioned,

360

: 00:14:17

you'd done, didn't quite like, but

then Empty Nest was in the top 10

361

: 00:14:22

which was the Golden Girls spinoff.

362

: 00:14:24

Did you, are you aware of that one?

363

: 00:14:25

Ryan Rebalkin: now where's the show

probably saw a couple just because of the

364

: 00:14:28

Golden Girls ish, but I never watched it

365

: 00:14:31

Katie: And then the last couple are

anything but Love and Dear John.

366

: 00:14:35

Yeah.

367

: 00:14:36

Ryan Rebalkin: John

sounds familiar, but no

368

: 00:14:37

Katie: That's with Judd Hirsch.

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: 00:14:39

Mm-hmm

370

: 00:14:39

Ryan Rebalkin: right Yeah, Judd Hirsch.

371

: 00:14:42

Interesting character.

372

: 00:14:43

Another taxi Alim?

373

: 00:14:44

Alim?

374

: 00:14:45

Alim?

375

: 00:14:46

He was my least favorite

character on Taxi.

376

: 00:14:48

I just, he bugged me.

377

: 00:14:50

Yeah, I don't know what it is about him.

378

: 00:14:51

Dandy feels great.

379

: 00:14:53

Of course, Christopher Lloyd was amazing.

380

: 00:14:54

Latka you know, they're all fantastic.

381

: 00:14:56

Even Tony Danza, the two that I

didn't like the most were Judd

382

: 00:14:59

Hirsch and the, the guy who was

playing the actor in the show.

383

: 00:15:03

We'll always try to look

for an acting good gig.

384

: 00:15:06

I forget his name.

385

: 00:15:07

But he always wore a jean jacket.

386

: 00:15:09

Katie: Jeff Conway.

387

: 00:15:10

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I think so.

388

: 00:15:11

What, is

389

: 00:15:11

that his name?

390

: 00:15:12

But he always, he was always

looking, he was an out of work actor,

391

: 00:15:15

Katie: I'm not very familiar.

392

: 00:15:16

I'm like watching Taxi now here and there.

393

: 00:15:18

I'm not a.

394

: 00:15:19

It was way before my

395

: 00:15:20

Ryan Rebalkin: Lou Henner?

396

: 00:15:21

Oof.

397

: 00:15:21

Man, she's a stunning woman.

398

: 00:15:23

Katie: Yeah, she is.

399

: 00:15:24

All right.

400

: 00:15:24

Well, we're going to

only do one billboard.

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: 00:15:27

the number one song

402

: 00:15:28

from the week of December 2nd,

403

: 00:15:30

Ryan Rebalkin: just the one

404

: 00:15:30

song?

405

: 00:15:31

Katie: the one song I said,

it's just abbreviated.

406

: 00:15:33

I did not have time to do my homework.

407

: 00:15:37

Ryan Rebalkin: here.

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: 00:15:38

Katie: I have a little bit from each.

409

: 00:15:39

So we're, you know, I have one

music, I have some news and events.

410

: 00:15:43

I even have some trivia

for the movie, but okay.

411

: 00:15:46

December 2nd, 1988.

412

: 00:15:48

You're never going to guess what it is.

413

: 00:15:51

Ryan Rebalkin: Give me a genre maybe?

414

: 00:15:52

Katie: No, you're not

going to guess what it is.

415

: 00:15:54

I guarantee it.

416

: 00:15:55

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, come

on, don't say, don't

417

: 00:15:56

Katie: Okay.

418

: 00:15:57

Well, if I say the name of the

group, I, you will have to get it.

419

: 00:16:01

Cause I didn't know who the group was.

420

: 00:16:04

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

421

: 00:16:05

Well then give me, are they rock and roll?

422

: 00:16:07

R and B?

423

: 00:16:09

like

424

: 00:16:09

uh, are they, are they like the boy band

425

: 00:16:11

Katie: soft

426

: 00:16:13

Ryan Rebalkin: boys to men?

427

: 00:16:14

Katie: No, no.

428

: 00:16:16

Almost like Islandy soft rock.

429

: 00:16:18

It's probably a yacht rock.

430

: 00:16:19

Maybe.

431

: 00:16:22

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

432

: 00:16:22

Give me the name of the band.

433

: 00:16:23

I'll see if I can guess the

434

: 00:16:24

Katie: Will to power.

435

: 00:16:25

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, no way.

436

: 00:16:26

I

437

: 00:16:26

Katie: Yeah.

438

: 00:16:27

I, I, you know, the song,

, everyone knows the song, baby.

439

: 00:16:30

I love your way.

440

: 00:16:32

Ooh, baby.

441

: 00:16:33

I love your

442

: 00:16:34

Ryan Rebalkin: So one hit wonder

443

: 00:16:36

Katie: every day.

444

: 00:16:36

Yeah.

445

: 00:16:37

Yeah.

446

: 00:16:38

That will to

447

: 00:16:39

Ryan Rebalkin: will to power.

448

: 00:16:40

Yeah, you're right.

449

: 00:16:40

I know the tune had I will to power.

450

: 00:17:05

Okay.

451

: 00:17:06

Will to power band.

452

: 00:17:07

Okay.

453

: 00:17:08

They're an American dance

pop group, South Florida.

454

: 00:17:12

Katie: the tracks, South

455

: 00:17:13

Ryan Rebalkin: that is funny.

456

: 00:17:14

they've

457

: 00:17:14

had, they've had three albums, three

studio albums, Will to Power in 88,

458

: 00:17:19

Journey Home in 1990, and they took

a 14 year hiatus and they released an

459

: 00:17:23

album in 2004 called Spirit Warrior.

460

: 00:17:25

Katie: All right.

461

: 00:17:27

Ryan Rebalkin: That is

462

: 00:17:27

Katie: Hey, you guys, if you know

any other song that they sang

463

: 00:17:32

other than baby, I love your wife.

464

: 00:17:33

Please let me know.

465

: 00:17:34

Oh, also just please reach out.

466

: 00:17:36

Generally speaking, I will remind

you at the end of the show, but

467

: 00:17:39

email me retro made podcast at gmail.

468

: 00:17:42

com.

469

: 00:17:43

I would love to hear comments,

feedback, questions, whatever

470

: 00:17:47

you got to say, good or bad.

471

: 00:17:49

For the finale wrap up

episode for season one.

472

: 00:17:52

So do that.

473

: 00:17:54

All right.

474

: 00:17:55

News and events.

475

: 00:17:55

Ryan from December of 1988, Benazir

476

: 00:18:01

Bhutto is named prime

minister of Pakistan.

477

: 00:18:06

Why do we care?

478

: 00:18:07

You might ask.

479

: 00:18:08

She first female leader

of a Muslim country.

480

: 00:18:12

Ryan Rebalkin: wow.

481

: 00:18:13

Katie: I'm actually really shocked by that

482

: 00:18:16

Ryan Rebalkin: there was

a time there was a time.

483

: 00:18:20

Katie: Night.

484

: 00:18:20

I mean, we can't do it in America in 2024.

485

: 00:18:24

Ryan Rebalkin: no.

486

: 00:18:24

But I mean, there was a time that.

487

: 00:18:25

Those nations were, weren't

what they are today.

488

: 00:18:28

Katie: Oh, you're right.

489

: 00:18:28

yeah,

490

: 00:18:29

Ryan Rebalkin: are the regime

changes and all that good

491

: 00:18:31

Katie: That's a good point.

492

: 00:18:32

They used to be able to wear

American clothes and stuff.

493

: 00:18:34

Ryan Rebalkin: If you look at some of the

pictures from the seventies of Iran, for

494

: 00:18:36

example, you would think it was Florida

495

: 00:18:39

and

496

: 00:18:40

Katie: Good point.

497

: 00:18:41

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

498

: 00:18:43

Katie: Good point.

499

: 00:18:43

But

500

: 00:18:43

Ryan Rebalkin: times.

501

: 00:18:44

Katie: go Pakistan.

502

: 00:18:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Oh

503

: 00:18:47

Katie: well, this so the federal

grand jury indicts the PTO club

504

: 00:18:51

founder and Christian evangelist.

505

: 00:18:54

Jim Bakker for fraud after he paid

hush money to cover up an alleged rape.

506

: 00:19:01

Gee, why does that sound so familiar?

507

: 00:19:08

Hush money to cover that up.

508

: 00:19:10

Gee,

509

: 00:19:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, even

worse than that is Yes.

510

: 00:19:13

Yeah.

511

: 00:19:14

I, I hear what you're

saying and I, I, I agree.

512

: 00:19:16

But the even worse is I get really

I get triggered by the religion

513

: 00:19:20

Katie: Same.

514

: 00:19:20

Yeah.

515

: 00:19:21

Ryan Rebalkin: People taking

516

: 00:19:21

money from people who are suffering

people who feel like they have to buy

517

: 00:19:25

their way to heaven and they believe it.

518

: 00:19:26

And I know there's a

sucker born every minute.

519

: 00:19:29

Sometimes I feel like

I was one growing up.

520

: 00:19:31

So it kind of, it sucks that.

521

: 00:19:33

These people that who's the new one or not

the new one who's the one today was his

522

: 00:19:36

name again Joe olstein, is that his name?

523

: 00:19:39

Katie: Well, yeah, the megachurch do.

524

: 00:19:40

I mean, there's a bunch of them.

525

: 00:19:41

Scientology is the same way.

526

: 00:19:42

Yeah.

527

: 00:19:43

I mean,

528

: 00:19:43

Ryan Rebalkin: well, most religion is

just this, the coffers are full of the

529

: 00:19:47

hard working

530

: 00:19:47

Katie: If your pastor is

rich, there's a problem.

531

: 00:19:52

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, Jesus, Jesus,

the person you, these pastors claim to

532

: 00:19:56

worship, let me just, side, quick side

touch, you know, he was a carpenter's

533

: 00:19:59

son, and he literally gave the, the,

the shirt off his back for the poor,

534

: 00:20:03

Katie: Mm hmm.

535

: 00:20:04

Ryan Rebalkin: mingled with them,

536

: 00:20:05

and he was never rich,

537

: 00:20:06

Katie: Mm hmm.

538

: 00:20:07

Ryan Rebalkin: You know, he had the

539

: 00:20:08

great story about the woman who gave

her last mite to the donations and the

540

: 00:20:13

Sadducees and the Pharisees scoffed at

her for her small pittance that she gave.

541

: 00:20:17

Jesus scoffed at them and said she gave

all that she had to what have you given?

542

: 00:20:22

Katie: Mm hmm.

543

: 00:20:23

Mm hmm.

544

: 00:20:24

Yeah.

545

: 00:20:25

Yeah.

546

: 00:20:25

Don't even get me started on

547

: 00:20:26

Ryan Rebalkin: want to do a podcast on

548

: 00:20:28

Katie: Christ, like some, some Christians

like Jim Bakker were, you know, you know,

549

: 00:20:33

but yeah, that was happening in 1988.

550

: 00:20:36

big big

551

: 00:20:37

Ryan Rebalkin: That was big

Yeah, that was big news.

552

: 00:20:38

Yeah, absolutely.

553

: 00:20:39

Yeah.

554

: 00:20:39

Yeah

555

: 00:20:40

Katie: then we have a famous death,

556

: 00:20:42

Roy Orbison, American rock

singer, songwriter, pretty woman.

557

: 00:20:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, yeah, traveling

558

: 00:20:47

Little berries My mother saw Roy.

559

: 00:20:51

I think she went when

she was 14 in concert.

560

: 00:20:54

Katie: Did she throw her panties at him

561

: 00:20:56

Ryan Rebalkin: Maybe I Think

she would have saved that for

562

: 00:21:00

George Harrison of the Beatles.

563

: 00:21:01

I

564

: 00:21:02

Katie: Oh, she's a big fan of the George.

565

: 00:21:04

Okay.

566

: 00:21:04

Ryan Rebalkin: she told me a quick

story of when she saw Oh, what's that

567

: 00:21:08

movie they did, hard day's night.

568

: 00:21:11

There was a concert film,

569

: 00:21:12

whatever She saw in the theater.

570

: 00:21:14

She says she saw it, she couldn't hear it.

571

: 00:21:16

The whole time, the girls were screaming.

572

: 00:21:18

The whole movie, she

couldn't hear the movie.

573

: 00:21:22

Because everyone was, every time,

Paul comes on the screen and screams.

574

: 00:21:24

John comes on the screen and screams.

575

: 00:21:26

Every time anyone would

talk, they would scream.

576

: 00:21:28

So my mom saw The Hardest Day is Night

in the theater, but the theater was

577

: 00:21:32

just girls screaming the whole hour.

578

: 00:21:34

Katie: Just as a side note, the whole

Beatlemania business, I don't understand.

579

: 00:21:38

'cause they were not attractive at all,

580

: 00:21:42

I don't think.

581

: 00:21:43

Ryan Rebalkin: know.

582

: 00:21:43

And I would say objectively, I

wouldn't say you're wrong because

583

: 00:21:46

beauty is an eye of the beholder.

584

: 00:21:48

So you can't be wrong.

585

: 00:21:48

It's what you're trying.

586

: 00:21:49

But I do see it.

587

: 00:21:51

I do, especially those early days,

hard days, night days with the boppy

588

: 00:21:54

haircuts and they have to shoot ties and

maybe not so much in their hippie days.

589

: 00:21:58

But I I do see this, these young lads.

590

: 00:22:03

Yeah, it's, it's look, it's hard to argue.

591

: 00:22:05

It's hard to argue.

592

: 00:22:06

The Beatlemania was a real thing.

593

: 00:22:07

Katie: No, it was.

594

: 00:22:08

It was.

595

: 00:22:09

I

596

: 00:22:09

Ryan Rebalkin: funny to see my mom, you

know, she, she she crushed on George and

597

: 00:22:12

he's my favorite Beatle too, by the way.

598

: 00:22:14

So it's

599

: 00:22:14

very interesting.

600

: 00:22:15

Katie: I don't have a favorite beetle.

601

: 00:22:17

I, this might seem like

sacrilege, but I'm a stones girl.

602

: 00:22:21

And so I don't really know

much about the beetles.

603

: 00:22:23

Like they, I don't love them.

604

: 00:22:25

Like I'm like, nah, they're all right.

605

: 00:22:27

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

606

: 00:22:27

I mean, I'm not a musical.

607

: 00:22:30

Like I can't comment like as

a professional I will just

608

: 00:22:33

say I love the stones too.

609

: 00:22:35

And I'm a bit of a contrarian.

610

: 00:22:37

I I was not sure that's not a real word.

611

: 00:22:39

I'm What was it when you can like both

things like you could like coke and pepsi?

612

: 00:22:43

What do they call that like

you're bipartisan or you're

613

: 00:22:47

Katie: I don't know.

614

: 00:22:48

I don't know what

615

: 00:22:48

Ryan Rebalkin: What's the term?

616

: 00:22:49

What's the term?

617

: 00:22:50

Yeah, i'm one of those

618

: 00:22:50

people like I like Well, no, I just

i'm not one of those people to me.

619

: 00:22:54

I Like sega and nintendo.

620

: 00:22:56

I Like coke and pepsi.

621

: 00:22:58

I've always found you

don't have to choose.

622

: 00:23:00

You can just like vanilla

chocolate and strawberry Life is

623

: 00:23:03

Katie: can.

624

: 00:23:03

Yeah,

625

: 00:23:04

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

626

: 00:23:04

Katie: you can.

627

: 00:23:05

You can.

628

: 00:23:06

Yeah, well, so Roy Orbison

was only 52 when he died.

629

: 00:23:10

It was a massive heart attack.

630

: 00:23:11

52.

631

: 00:23:13

Ryan Rebalkin: That's so

632

: 00:23:14

Katie: It is young.

633

: 00:23:15

Ryan Rebalkin: That's only

three years older than

634

: 00:23:16

I am

635

: 00:23:16

Katie: Mm hmm.

636

: 00:23:19

All right, that's what I got

for the time capsule, you guys.

637

: 00:23:22

Like I said, it's abbreviated, so we have

more time to talk about Tequila Sunrise.

638

: 00:23:26

Ryan Rebalkin: Fair enough.

639

: 00:23:26

But I was, I was, I was looking forward

to the time capsule, but you're out.

640

: 00:23:31

I'll take your accident.

641

: 00:23:32

That's fine.

642

: 00:23:33

It's not your fault.

643

: 00:23:34

Katie: Well, if you have other memories,

cific memories of things from: 1988

644

: 00:23:38

You are

645

: 00:23:39

Ryan Rebalkin: I was relied on you.

646

: 00:23:40

I'm not even,

647

: 00:23:42

I listened to your show.

648

: 00:23:43

That's

649

: 00:23:44

the thing is because I

650

: 00:23:44

listened to your show as like,

Oh, Katie's going to break it out.

651

: 00:23:48

The worry about nothing.

652

: 00:23:48

She's like the constant professional.

653

: 00:23:50

I was like, Oh, you broke your wrist.

654

: 00:23:51

All

655

: 00:23:51

Katie: Except for today.

656

: 00:23:53

Ryan Rebalkin: No, I'm excited

to talk about the film.

657

: 00:23:55

Anyways, that's good.

658

: 00:23:56

Katie: All right, let's

get into tequila sunrise

659

: 00:24:04

,

nd,: 1988

660

: 00:24:06

It's almost two hours.

661

: 00:24:09

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

662

: 00:24:10

Katie: 6.

663

: 00:24:11

0 out of 10 so if people haven't

seen Tequila Sunrise, as I hadn't,

664

: 00:24:17

have you seen it, Ryan?

665

: 00:24:18

Ryan Rebalkin: No.

666

: 00:24:19

And when you gave me the choices of films

to pick for this season, I picked one.

667

: 00:24:23

I picked next to Ken with Patrick

Swayze for the, for the sole purpose.

668

: 00:24:26

Cause I hadn't seen it.

669

: 00:24:27

It does say it forced me, but

there's films in our life.

670

: 00:24:30

We talked offline that we just

don't get around to seeing.

671

: 00:24:33

So it forced me, you know, now

I get to watch next to Ken.

672

: 00:24:35

Never seen it before with Patrick Swayze.

673

: 00:24:37

Yeah.

674

: 00:24:37

I, of course, see Big Trouble

Little China, that was, but I

675

: 00:24:40

hadn't watched in quite some time.

676

: 00:24:41

But yeah, I had not seen Tequila Sunrise.

677

: 00:24:43

It's been one of those films where

it's like, Hey, it's got Mel Gibson

678

: 00:24:46

and Kurt Russell and Michelle Pfeiffer.

679

: 00:24:48

My goodness, why haven't I seen this?

680

: 00:24:50

So I picked it so I could

681

: 00:24:52

watch it for, with you and

talk about it with you.

682

: 00:24:54

Absolutely.

683

: 00:24:54

My

684

: 00:24:55

Katie: Mm hmm.

685

: 00:24:56

Well, if like Ryan and I, you guys haven't

seen it, or if it's been a minute, It is

686

: 00:25:02

about, Dale Mac Mcuthick is an unlikely

drug dealer who wants to go straight.

687

: 00:25:08

His old and best friend, Nick Freesia,

is now a cop who is assigned to

688

: 00:25:12

investigate and bring him to justice.

689

: 00:25:15

Mac is very attracted to Joanne,

the owner of a stylish restaurant.

690

: 00:25:19

Nick gets close to Joanne, attempting

to know more about Mac's drug

691

: 00:25:23

dealing plans and his connections

with the Mexican dealer, Carlos.

692

: 00:25:27

Who the police believe is

coming to town to meet with him.

693

: 00:25:30

Nick also falls for Joanne's charms and

his friendship with Mac is in danger.

694

: 00:25:37

Tequila Sunrise.

695

: 00:25:39

Ryan Rebalkin: Good summary.

696

: 00:25:40

Were you confused at all by

the plot or am I just dumb?

697

: 00:25:47

Don't answer that.

698

: 00:25:47

Let me rephrase that.

699

: 00:25:49

Let me rephrase, let me

rephrase the question.

700

: 00:25:51

You know, it's funny cause I, I don't

consider myself an unintelligent person

701

: 00:25:54

and I don't consider myself a simpleton

when it comes to watching films.

702

: 00:25:57

I really don't.

703

: 00:25:58

I watched a lot of very high hand dramas

on TV, intelligent films or TV that I

704

: 00:26:02

think are, you know, intelligent writing.

705

: 00:26:06

I had a little bit of a hard time.

706

: 00:26:09

I went in cold, never saw

a trailer, didn't read a

707

: 00:26:11

synopsis, so I, I went in cold

708

: 00:26:13

so when the opening scene starts off

with Mel Gibson's character you know,

709

: 00:26:17

in the middle of a, kind of a, a drug

negotiation deal, whatever, and Kurt

710

: 00:26:20

Russell's character comes in playing

the cop, and do they not know each

711

: 00:26:23

other, and so I think after 15, 20

minutes, I'm like, oh, I'm going to

712

: 00:26:26

read the synopsis just a little bit.

713

: 00:26:28

Cause I'm, I feel like I'm

behind the ball a little bit.

714

: 00:26:30

I think, I think it's almost like we're

supposed to know that before we started

715

: 00:26:34

the show, I think that the trailers

made trailers probably gave it away.

716

: 00:26:38

I don't know.

717

: 00:26:39

I found myself a little

bit, a little bit confused.

718

: 00:26:43

I felt like.

719

: 00:26:45

I mean, I followed the story, but at the

same time, there was some, and I wasn't

720

: 00:26:49

alone on this, even some big critics like

Roger Deeber and other people that was

721

: 00:26:53

one of the criticisms about the film.

722

: 00:26:55

Maybe one of the reasons why it

was a low rating that is almost

723

: 00:26:58

too intelligent for its own good.

724

: 00:27:00

So it was like, it's Robert town like,

yes, you're a good writer and storyteller,

725

: 00:27:04

but maybe not say dumb it down.

726

: 00:27:06

But I felt like it was a rushed

plot or maybe some things didn't

727

: 00:27:10

have to there's so much going on in

a two hour film, I guess is what's

728

: 00:27:12

Katie: I think it's one of those

movies where there are things happening

729

: 00:27:17

behind, you know, there's little,

little side things that are happening

730

: 00:27:22

that upon a second or third watch.

731

: 00:27:25

It's maybe one of those movies

where, yeah, it's so it's

732

: 00:27:28

like Mel Gibson's character.

733

: 00:27:30

Mac, we kind of learned that

he and Kurt are friends or okay.

734

: 00:27:35

I have a problem with this.

735

: 00:27:36

So Kurt is detective

Lieutenant Nick Freesia.

736

: 00:27:41

Mel Gibson is Dale Mac McCusick.

737

: 00:27:44

Michelle Pfeiffer is Joanne.

738

: 00:27:47

Ryan Rebalkin: So remember, Mel is Mick.

739

: 00:27:49

I'm sorry, Mel is Mac, Kurt is Nick.

740

: 00:27:52

Katie: Mac and Nick Mac and Nick.

741

: 00:27:54

So we learn through a series of.

742

: 00:27:58

Events and little things that they

have been friends for a long time.

743

: 00:28:03

There was a male ended up Mac

ended up in a Mexican prison for

744

: 00:28:07

10 years because he got caught.

745

: 00:28:10

I don't know if it was like,

smoking weed or had we there.

746

: 00:28:13

They live on the beach.

747

: 00:28:14

Mac lives on the beach.

748

: 00:28:15

So when they were kids, Nick just got

lucky and wasn't there when the cops

749

: 00:28:20

Ryan Rebalkin: He said he was swimming

in the ocean or something like that.

750

: 00:28:22

He happened to be like

swimming in the ocean when

751

: 00:28:24

the cops showed up, so he lucked out.

752

: 00:28:26

But it doesn't sound like Nick was

necessarily innocent in their past.

753

: 00:28:30

It's just Mac got caught.

754

: 00:28:31

Katie: Right.

755

: 00:28:32

And then Matt kind of

continued down that line.

756

: 00:28:34

He met this Carlos who, took him

under his wing or helped save his life

757

: 00:28:39

while he was in this Mexican prison.

758

: 00:28:41

So then he's kind of been working

with Carlos who's in Mexico.

759

: 00:28:46

And the cops the agent played by J.

760

: 00:28:50

T.

761

: 00:28:50

Walsh, how McGuire so there there's

all this surveillance happening.

762

: 00:28:54

They're trying to figure out when,

because they want to get Carlos.

763

: 00:28:58

That's that's their target, and they

think that mac is going to host him for

764

: 00:29:04

a party or just a visit or something.

765

: 00:29:05

And so there's all the surveillance.

766

: 00:29:07

And then Nick is kind of trying to, he

knows that his friend is in the Coke

767

: 00:29:12

business, but it's kind of a weird deal.

768

: 00:29:14

He knows it.

769

: 00:29:15

And towards the end, he's

like, I got to arrest you.

770

: 00:29:17

Or, you know, at first he

kind of lets him go because.

771

: 00:29:21

He knows they don't have enough

to make the charges stick.

772

: 00:29:25

Yeah, the opening scene was a little

confusing with that by with his

773

: 00:29:29

lawyer, like his lawyer was trying

to sell the drugs, but then he put,

774

: 00:29:32

Ryan Rebalkin: going to teach him.

775

: 00:29:33

how to sell it apparently

properly or something like that.

776

: 00:29:35

Katie: but what was the deal with

him putting one of the kilos like

777

: 00:29:38

in the toilet at the beginning?

778

: 00:29:40

And then he goes in the bathroom

to get it before he leaves.

779

: 00:29:43

What was that about?

780

: 00:29:45

Ryan Rebalkin: It's like he was

effing over his lawyer a little

781

: 00:29:47

bit because here's a, Oh, okay.

782

: 00:29:50

I have a theory.

783

: 00:29:51

I just can't do me now.

784

: 00:29:52

So it was clever.

785

: 00:29:53

He put it in the toilet.

786

: 00:29:55

I think either a, he knew this drug

bus was going to go down, that he

787

: 00:29:58

was going to get busted doing drugs.

788

: 00:30:00

So what happened was, is when

they went, the cops played by Kurt

789

: 00:30:04

went to go look at his briefcase.

790

: 00:30:05

It was empty.

791

: 00:30:06

There's no drugs.

792

: 00:30:07

Mel's

793

: 00:30:08

Katie: was just one kilo.

794

: 00:30:09

I assumed there was more

795

: 00:30:10

Ryan Rebalkin: I think,

I think he took it all.

796

: 00:30:11

I think he took the whole package.

797

: 00:30:12

So the lawyer, so he saved his lawyer.

798

: 00:30:15

Cause there's nothing there.

799

: 00:30:16

So when he goes, I just

have to go take a pee.

800

: 00:30:18

But that's why he put it in the toilet

was so if anyone walked in to use

801

: 00:30:21

the bathroom, they wouldn't see it.

802

: 00:30:22

He says, Hey, I just have to

use the washroom before I leave.

803

: 00:30:24

I'll let you guys to it

walks out with the drugs.

804

: 00:30:27

And that was lawyers.

805

: 00:30:28

Now, we don't know what happened

to those drugs that he took.

806

: 00:30:30

I don't know.

807

: 00:30:31

I can't remember if something was said

about it, but I think it was a way of

808

: 00:30:34

showing you that he's not a bad guy.

809

: 00:30:36

He saved his lawyer.

810

: 00:30:37

He saved it because he said it was trying

to teach him how to do it properly or

811

: 00:30:40

not get himself in trouble or something

to that effect because we don't really

812

: 00:30:42

see the lawyer again or something.

813

: 00:30:43

I don't know if I can't

814

: 00:30:44

Katie: He's at the restaurant

later because it's the

815

: 00:30:47

Michelle Pfeiffer's character.

816

: 00:30:49

It's her lawyer.

817

: 00:30:50

Also, they share the same lawyer.

818

: 00:30:52

Ryan Rebalkin: this is Okay.

819

: 00:30:53

See, yeah.

820

: 00:30:53

Okay.

821

: 00:30:54

Fair enough.

822

: 00:30:54

Okay.

823

: 00:30:55

Katie: So let's talk about

some of the cast members.

824

: 00:30:57

So that, that, as we're talking about

the movie, it makes a little more sense.

825

: 00:30:59

So you brought up Robert town, who

is the both the director and writer.

826

: 00:31:05

He is not,

827

: 00:31:07

he doesn't direct much.

828

: 00:31:08

This is maybe 1 of his only directorial

Jobs, but he has a ton of like he's

829

: 00:31:14

a pretty prolific writer, including

Chinatown days of thunder, the

830

: 00:31:19

firm mission impossible 1 and 2.

831

: 00:31:21

So we must have a thing with Tom Cruise.

832

: 00:31:24

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

833

: 00:31:24

Katie: Potentially.

834

: 00:31:25

So that's who the writer and director is.

835

: 00:31:27

We talked about Mel Gibson, Michelle

Pfeiffer, Kurt Russell, and then

836

: 00:31:31

Raul Julia, who I'm a huge fan of.

837

: 00:31:33

I think he elevates everything he's in.

838

: 00:31:35

I just love him.

839

: 00:31:36

He plays Comandante Xavier Escalante.

840

: 00:31:41

And then, spoiler alert, So

Escalante he's been working for

841

: 00:31:48

the last 8 years with our agent.

842

: 00:31:50

He's a Mexican come on

Dante working with J.

843

: 00:31:56

T.

844

: 00:31:56

Walsh's character.

845

: 00:31:57

Who's the agent in America?

846

: 00:31:58

So somehow they've been working

together to catch this Carlos.

847

: 00:32:02

Right?

848

: 00:32:03

Is that how you

849

: 00:32:04

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

850

: 00:32:04

Yeah.

851

: 00:32:05

It's yeah.

852

: 00:32:06

So I, did you get the big

reveal that he was Carlos before

853

: 00:32:09

Katie: Totally.

854

: 00:32:10

Did you?

855

: 00:32:11

Ryan Rebalkin: I have

something to confess.

856

: 00:32:13

It's not because I looked up the plot.

857

: 00:32:15

I looked up who was in the

film and I saw that Royal Julia

858

: 00:32:18

was credited as two people.

859

: 00:32:19

So I was like,

860

: 00:32:20

Katie: Oh, I didn't.

861

: 00:32:21

I didn't because on IMDB, it,

it doesn't say that he's Carlos.

862

: 00:32:26

It just says that he's Escalante.

863

: 00:32:27

Okay.

864

: 00:32:29

Ryan Rebalkin: So I looked at the

cast of Wikipedia, and I didn't,

865

: 00:32:30

wasn't looking for spoilers.

866

: 00:32:31

I was just seeing, you know, because

there's a couple of actors that came up.

867

: 00:32:34

It's like, oh, that person looks familiar.

868

: 00:32:35

So I looked them up on Wikipedia.

869

: 00:32:36

So when I got to role Julia's role, I

saw, I knew, I, I was actually pretty

870

: 00:32:40

certain that he actually played Carlos.

871

: 00:32:42

But then I saw that he was like

this, you know, police officer title.

872

: 00:32:45

And I'm like, so he's Mexican police?

873

: 00:32:48

What?

874

: 00:32:49

So either, so I knew either he's So,

you know, what happened was the problem

875

: 00:32:53

with that knowledge was, I didn't know

the reveal was going to be the way

876

: 00:32:56

it was going to be at the very least.

877

: 00:32:57

I didn't know how it was going to reveal.

878

: 00:32:59

So when he, when he showed himself

to be the police officer, then I

879

: 00:33:03

recognize, okay, he's going to,

880

: 00:33:06

I thought how they were going to do

it was maybe this would have been

881

: 00:33:09

a better film that this is where my

brain went and see if he can follow me.

882

: 00:33:13

So me knowing that he plays two

characters and, and Mack played by Mel

883

: 00:33:18

is in cahoots and talking to Carlos.

884

: 00:33:21

I thought it was going to be revealed

that Carlos was a cop and Mack was

885

: 00:33:24

playing with the cops all along.

886

: 00:33:26

And then he was.

887

: 00:33:26

Helping all along the big reveal

at the end was going to be that.

888

: 00:33:30

Yes.

889

: 00:33:31

Kurt Russell's character.

890

: 00:33:32

It looked like I was doing bad things.

891

: 00:33:34

It looked like I was still, you know,

JT Walsh's character still fought flying

892

: 00:33:37

around, but it turns out I've been helping

the Mexican government the whole time.

893

: 00:33:40

That's why I got out of jail early.

894

: 00:33:42

Cause I've been helping

them the whole time.

895

: 00:33:43

Ta da.

896

: 00:33:44

Carlos is really an undercover cop.

897

: 00:33:46

Katie: Hmm.

898

: 00:33:47

I can see that.

899

: 00:33:48

I didn't know.

900

: 00:33:49

So I knew that Raul Julia was in this

and I saw that he was playing this

901

: 00:33:54

Escalante, but then when I'm watching

the movie and they keep talking about

902

: 00:33:57

Carlos, I'm like, Oh, so at first I

was like, Oh shoot, I assumed that

903

: 00:34:02

Raul Julia was going to be Carlos.

904

: 00:34:04

And even when, when Mel's character

Mac is on a pay phone,: 1988

905

: 00:34:10

pay phone talking to Carlos, you

can hear Carlos talking to him.

906

: 00:34:15

And it's very clear.

907

: 00:34:16

Like, I was like, that's

Raul Julia's voice.

908

: 00:34:18

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, wow.

909

: 00:34:19

Wow.

910

: 00:34:19

You caught that from that.

911

: 00:34:20

See, that's what I mean.

912

: 00:34:20

I thought, okay, they're just

913

: 00:34:22

gonna, he's gonna reveal that

they're good all this time.

914

: 00:34:24

But I mean,

915

: 00:34:25

the ending was fine in itself.

916

: 00:34:26

But I, I don't want to

say I like my idea better.

917

: 00:34:29

I was, I don't know.

918

: 00:34:30

I, I just thought that would

have been a good pull to have.

919

: 00:34:33

It's almost like, yeah, the

cop being the bad guy, I guess.

920

: 00:34:36

I don't know.

921

: 00:34:37

It might have been a more of a heroic

ending for Mel's character that he ended

922

: 00:34:41

up just being, The good guy all along.

923

: 00:34:43

Like we were tricked by the audience

was tricked thinking, Oh, he's

924

: 00:34:46

still getting himself in trouble.

925

: 00:34:48

Katie: no, I don't hate

the way that it is.

926

: 00:34:50

It is a little convoluted, but it's

different in that we now have, it's

927

: 00:34:56

a long con in that as Escalante,

he's like a policeman in Mexico.

928

: 00:35:04

He's been working for eight

years trying to catch himself.

929

: 00:35:09

So this allows him to always

know what they're doing.

930

: 00:35:13

You know, he can be Carlos always knowing

what the police are doing and planning,

931

: 00:35:17

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

932

: 00:35:17

Katie: know, I mean, I guess

that that was kind of cool.

933

: 00:35:19

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

934

: 00:35:22

Katie: then, as we mentioned,

the uh, agent played by J.

935

: 00:35:25

T.

936

: 00:35:25

Walsh, he has been in

several movies with Kurt.

937

: 00:35:29

I want to say 4, and I

can't think of the 4th one.

938

: 00:35:31

So this breakdown back draft,

and I think maybe 1 more.

939

: 00:35:36

That I'm forgetting about, but they've

been in several movies together

940

: 00:35:40

and we've covered all of those.

941

: 00:35:41

You guys listen to those

942

: 00:35:43

Ryan Rebalkin: that's weird.

943

: 00:35:44

He's a great actor.

944

: 00:35:45

He was with the Tom Cruise.

945

: 00:35:46

He was with the Tom Cruise, of course.

946

: 00:35:47

And a few good men.

947

: 00:35:50

Katie: I haven't seen that

movie in a very long time.

948

: 00:35:52

I think I need to give it a rewatch.

949

: 00:35:53

Yeah.

950

: 00:35:54

Ryan Rebalkin: need to

give her a fantastic film.

951

: 00:35:56

Before, are we done with Robert Townsend?

952

: 00:35:58

There's one thing I want to say

953

: 00:35:59

Katie: No, go ahead.

954

: 00:35:59

Yeah,

955

: 00:36:00

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, just speaking of

the worst of the best podcast, he's one

956

: 00:36:02

of our celebrities who died this year.

957

: 00:36:04

Yay.

958

: 00:36:05

Katie: he did

959

: 00:36:06

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

960

: 00:36:06

He died

961

: 00:36:07

July 1st, 2024

962

: 00:36:09

Katie: old age or okay.

963

: 00:36:12

Ryan Rebalkin: So I was, I mean,

964

: 00:36:14

who knows what the, I mean, I

could look it up here, but what,

965

: 00:36:17

what, what eventually killed him?

966

: 00:36:19

Yeah.

967

: 00:36:19

What

968

: 00:36:19

Katie: But it wasn't like he was 50.

969

: 00:36:21

Yeah.

970

: 00:36:22

Ryan Rebalkin: was, was it suicide?

971

: 00:36:24

This says here he died at his home.

972

: 00:36:26

This, so there you

973

: 00:36:26

Katie: yeah, Okay.

974

: 00:36:27

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

975

: 00:36:28

that's probably the best.

976

: 00:36:29

I mean, if you're going to go, go at

home while you got your socks on in bed.

977

: 00:36:35

Katie: Oh yeah.

978

: 00:36:35

Dying, like in your sleep.

979

: 00:36:37

Yeah, that's the

980

: 00:36:37

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, it's

981

: 00:36:38

absolutely dying your sleep

with a fire around you.

982

: 00:36:40

That's the best way to go.

983

: 00:36:40

No,

984

: 00:36:43

a little dark humor.

985

: 00:36:44

Katie: We talked about the lawyer.

986

: 00:36:47

His name in the movie is Andy Leonard.

987

: 00:36:50

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

988

: 00:36:50

Katie: played by I don't

know how to pronounce it.

989

: 00:36:52

Are gross.

990

: 00:36:53

A R Y E.

991

: 00:36:54

How, how do you, how

do you pronounce that?

992

: 00:36:56

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, airy.

993

: 00:36:58

Probably Ari, Ari.

994

: 00:36:59

Katie: Are we okay.

995

: 00:37:01

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

996

: 00:37:02

Katie: Apologies that I'm

mispronouncing your name, Mr.

997

: 00:37:05

Gross, but he is extremely familiar.

998

: 00:37:08

Did you recognize him from anything?

999

: 00:37:10

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, he, I'm just

looking at his credentials right now.

: 1000

00:37:12,335 --> 00:37:14,265

He's got one of those faces

like, hey, you're that guy

: 1001

00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:16,390

Katie: He does have one of those faces.

: 1002

00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,910

Ryan Rebalkin: But that's the best face

to have, I've, I've said it before.

: 1003

00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,880

Be that guy.

: 1004

00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:22,480

He's got hundreds of credits,

: 1005

00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,250

hundreds.

: 1006

00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:24,440

So he's a working

: 1007

00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:24,860

actor.

: 1008

00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:27,270

He's, you know, he's

done films up to: 2019

: 1009

00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:29,490

He's done TV shows up until: 2022

: 1010

00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:30,400

He maybe he's retired now.

: 1011

00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,860

He's 64 now, but that's a whole life

of just filming TV and he can just

: 1012

00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,270

go to the grocery store and he

doesn't have to be bothered by anyone

: 1013

00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:37,845

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 1014

00:37:37,885 --> 00:37:41,485

He has a look to him and it was

bothering me the whole time.

: 1015

00:37:41,485 --> 00:37:42,845

I'm like, Oh, what do I know him from?

: 1016

00:37:42,845 --> 00:37:43,675

what do I know him from?

: 1017

00:37:44,045 --> 00:37:44,545

Well,

: 1018

00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:45,530

Ryan Rebalkin: he's been in friends.

: 1019

00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:45,720

Right.

: 1020

00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:45,750

I

: 1021

00:37:45,935 --> 00:37:48,595

Katie: he was in and yes, he

was in one episode of friends.

: 1022

00:37:48,595 --> 00:37:53,055

And I think it's either when

Rachel's trying to get back at Ross.

: 1023

00:37:53,065 --> 00:37:54,885

So she goes on a date with somebody.

: 1024

00:37:54,895 --> 00:37:56,035

His name is Michael.

: 1025

00:37:56,265 --> 00:37:58,535

She goes on a date with him

and it's a horrible date.

: 1026

00:37:58,825 --> 00:37:59,535

Or.

: 1027

00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,860

It's when Monica and her other chef

friend both sleep with this guy.

: 1028

00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:06,160

I think it's that one.

: 1029

00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,390

Maybe his name is Michael and the way

he gets women to sleep with him is he

: 1030

00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:15,040

pretends to be impotent and then the

women think that they cured him of it.

: 1031

00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:16,260

He's

: 1032

00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:17,580

Ryan Rebalkin: I gotta, I gotta try that.

: 1033

00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:18,150

Katie: yeah,

: 1034

00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,830

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, wait, I'm married.

: 1035

00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:20,280

Okay,

: 1036

00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:21,340

Katie: you're like, wait a minute.

: 1037

00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:21,970

Yeah.

: 1038

00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:25,690

So, so both of those, they're

like, Oh, I take credit like the

: 1039

00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:29,140

Monica finds out that her like sous

chef is like, Oh, I take credit

: 1040

00:38:29,230 --> 00:38:30,820

Ryan Rebalkin: remember

that episode funny enough.

: 1041

00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:32,630

I've seen that, you know,

I've seen that series.

: 1042

00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:33,570

No joke.

: 1043

00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,400

Three times all the way through.

: 1044

00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:36,060

In order.

: 1045

00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:37,920

uh, my, I, do enjoy it.

: 1046

00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,430

I do enjoy it.

: 1047

00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:38,670

I

: 1048

00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:39,720

have a huge, don't even get me started.

: 1049

00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,300

I have a huge crush on Monica.

: 1050

00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:43,150

I just, she is so gorgeous in that

: 1051

00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:43,650

Katie: She is.

: 1052

00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:44,820

She is.

: 1053

00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:47,330

And I think she has the

prettiest face also.

: 1054

00:38:47,475 --> 00:38:48,585

Ryan Rebalkin: I think

she's just a hot objectified

: 1055

00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,460

Katie: yeah,

: 1056

00:38:50,265 --> 00:38:50,565

Ryan Rebalkin: time.

: 1057

00:38:50,565 --> 00:38:51,085

Ding, ding, ding,

: 1058

00:38:51,085 --> 00:38:51,365

ding.

: 1059

00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:55,055

I think she's the both

body and face and hair.

: 1060

00:38:55,055 --> 00:38:57,555

She's way hotter than I don't understand.

: 1061

00:38:57,555 --> 00:38:57,895

Whatever.

: 1062

00:38:58,155 --> 00:38:58,285

I

: 1063

00:38:58,305 --> 00:39:00,015

think Phoebe is hotter than

: 1064

00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:01,490

Katie: Phoebe's gorgeous.

: 1065

00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,730

Her face like the way her eyes.

: 1066

00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:05,070

Yeah, she's Lisa Kudrow is

: 1067

00:39:05,345 --> 00:39:05,635

Ryan Rebalkin: I know.

: 1068

00:39:05,645 --> 00:39:07,485

She's kind of dressed down.

: 1069

00:39:07,485 --> 00:39:08,015

So does or

: 1070

00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:10,010

Katie: They have her being kooky.

: 1071

00:39:10,295 --> 00:39:11,425

Ryan Rebalkin: cooking weird on the show.

: 1072

00:39:11,425 --> 00:39:14,705

But objectively, I think she's

prettier than anyways, whatever.

: 1073

00:39:14,715 --> 00:39:14,955

It doesn't

: 1074

00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,200

Katie: Yeah.

: 1075

00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,780

You got to see.

: 1076

00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:16,890

Have you seen Romy and Michelle's high

: 1077

00:39:17,085 --> 00:39:17,675

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, of course.

: 1078

00:39:17,675 --> 00:39:18,415

That's on theaters.

: 1079

00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,560

Katie: She's gorgeous in it.

: 1080

00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:26,760

yeah well, he also, so, yeah, 1 episode

of friends and then this re gross was a

: 1081

00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:32,680

regular 1 of the main characters in the

sitcom Ellen from the early to mid 90s.

: 1082

00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:33,370

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay,

: 1083

00:39:33,610 --> 00:39:33,860

he's a

: 1084

00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:35,190

Katie: name in that show is Adam.

: 1085

00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:36,450

He was a regular on

: 1086

00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:37,200

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay, there you go.

: 1087

00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,470

So that.

: 1088

00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:41,690

was his, if you're a regular into sitcom,

that's you, that's your easy street.

: 1089

00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,620

You've made whatever you need to make

and everything else is just gravy.

: 1090

00:39:44,855 --> 00:39:45,475

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 1091

00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,020

Ryan Rebalkin: good for him.

: 1092

00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:46,460

Okay.

: 1093

00:39:47,465 --> 00:39:53,245

Katie: And then Mac has this cousin

named Greg Lindroff in the movie.

: 1094

00:39:53,735 --> 00:39:59,575

He, I think it appears as though he lives

with him in this beach house and spoiler

: 1095

00:39:59,585 --> 00:40:01,995

alert, he turns out to be an informant.

: 1096

00:40:02,415 --> 00:40:05,785

And , you see hints of it again,

there's little things that I think upon

: 1097

00:40:05,785 --> 00:40:09,105

a second watch, the movie would maybe

come together a little bit better,

: 1098

00:40:09,105 --> 00:40:10,765

but there's a lot to keep track of.

: 1099

00:40:11,315 --> 00:40:14,305

And we'll, we'll get into that a little

bit, but just to round out the cast

: 1100

00:40:14,305 --> 00:40:16,555

this cousin is played by Arliss Howard.

: 1101

00:40:17,055 --> 00:40:19,535

He played private cowboy

in full metal jacket.

: 1102

00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:26,455

And then we talked about him on RetroMade

because he played Virgil in To Wong Fu,

: 1103

00:40:26,625 --> 00:40:28,365

Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar.

: 1104

00:40:29,095 --> 00:40:29,935

Ryan Rebalkin: Interesting.

: 1105

00:40:30,095 --> 00:40:30,885

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 1106

00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:31,550

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1107

00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:31,990

And he

: 1108

00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:33,850

also had, I thought I

recognized him as well.

: 1109

00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:35,260

I watched the show, true blood.

: 1110

00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:39,260

He had the he was part of season six, his

main cast and near the end of the series.

: 1111

00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,800

So that's probably where my face, like

my brain, like I've seen that face.

: 1112

00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:46,100

But yeah, he's been in other stuff as

well, but that's, that was a show that I

: 1113

00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,760

watched back in the day when I was on, so

: 1114

00:40:47,825 --> 00:40:48,255

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 1115

00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:49,740

Ryan Rebalkin: recognized

that you've seen that face

: 1116

00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:50,130

before.

: 1117

00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:51,120

So I had to look it up with that.

: 1118

00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:51,430

Yep.

: 1119

00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:51,740

There it

: 1120

00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:53,305

Katie: I haven't seen that one.

: 1121

00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:54,060

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1122

00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:54,840

True blood was good.

: 1123

00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,770

It was good.

: 1124

00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:56,110

I enjoyed it.

: 1125

00:40:56,985 --> 00:41:00,485

Katie: The music was done by David

Grusin, and I didn't note a whole,

: 1126

00:41:00,895 --> 00:41:02,005

are you familiar with David Grusin?

: 1127

00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:06,120

Ryan Rebalkin: No, are we the

one to blame for the saxophone?

: 1128

00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,520

Is that his

: 1129

00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,560

Katie: Maybe

: 1130

00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:10,070

there's some very typical

: 1131

00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,100

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh my gosh.

: 1132

00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:14,840

Katie: get it on music and

yeah, jazzy saxophone stuff.

: 1133

00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:15,760

And then

: 1134

00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:17,570

Ryan Rebalkin: he's an

Academy Award nominee

: 1135

00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:18,800

Katie: for which movie?

: 1136

00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,910

Ryan Rebalkin: original

score for Heaven Can Wait

: 1137

00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:21,670

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 1138

00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:23,350

Ryan Rebalkin: that in: 1979

: 1139

00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:25,260

then again in: 1980

: 1140

00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560

Katie: Ooh, the champ is phenomenal.

: 1141

00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:29,320

Ryan Rebalkin: have to see it.

: 1142

00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,230

Then in 82 for Golden Pond.

: 1143

00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,020

Then in: 1990

Boys, Michelle Pfeiffer Havana

: 1144

00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:42,010

at 91 and The Firm with Tom Cruz

and Robert Towne as the writer in

: 1145

00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,400

Katie: Okay.

: 1146

00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:42,650

They're

: 1147

00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:44,000

Ryan Rebalkin: guy has been nominated.

: 1148

00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:44,720

Katie: They're a team.

: 1149

00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,090

Yeah.

: 1150

00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:45,960

Thank you for that.

: 1151

00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,720

Because usually I do some research

on the composer and I didn't

: 1152

00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:50,290

Ryan Rebalkin: And he's actually a winner.

: 1153

00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:50,860

There you go.

: 1154

00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:52,300

I should have said he actually did win

: 1155

00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:57,990

from a movie called, he won, I swear for a

movie to win the score, not hear the film.

: 1156

00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:01,820

89s, the Milo Grow Beanfield Award.

: 1157

00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:06,110

Milagro, Milagro, the Milagro Beanfield

: 1158

00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:06,980

Katie: foreign film?

: 1159

00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,860

I've never heard of it.

: 1160

00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:10,090

Ryan Rebalkin: It's

directed by Robert Redford,

: 1161

00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:11,140

Katie: Hmm.

: 1162

00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:11,540

Interesting.

: 1163

00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,500

Interesting.

: 1164

00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:13,090

Ryan Rebalkin: but it

: 1165

00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:14,790

seems like a star in a cast.

: 1166

00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:18,010

I mean, Mellie Griffith is in

it, but she's like mid cast.

: 1167

00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:19,120

Christopher Walken's in it.

: 1168

00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,540

But the first couple of

names like Ruben Blades,

: 1169

00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:22,360

I don't know who that is.

: 1170

00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:24,470

So it, it is weird.

: 1171

00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:24,830

Isn't that

: 1172

00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:25,270

weird?

: 1173

00:42:25,765 --> 00:42:26,555

What a weird thing.

: 1174

00:42:26,755 --> 00:42:27,015

Yeah.

: 1175

00:42:27,165 --> 00:42:29,045

But he wanted to kind

of more for that score.

: 1176

00:42:29,795 --> 00:42:32,855

Robert Redford is just, there's

somebody we could tackle one day.

: 1177

00:42:33,335 --> 00:42:34,235

Oh, these six degrees.

: 1178

00:42:34,235 --> 00:42:34,775

I enjoy it.

: 1179

00:42:35,395 --> 00:42:36,075

Katie: It is fun.

: 1180

00:42:36,665 --> 00:42:38,655

This movie did tequila.

: 1181

00:42:39,435 --> 00:42:44,295

Sunrise is what I mean by this

movie was nominated for an Academy

: 1182

00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,825

Award for our best cinematography.

: 1183

00:42:46,895 --> 00:42:47,645

Conrad L.

: 1184

00:42:47,645 --> 00:42:49,255

Hall did the cinematography.

: 1185

00:42:49,405 --> 00:42:49,955

Ryan Rebalkin: Interesting.

: 1186

00:42:49,965 --> 00:42:50,235

That would

: 1187

00:42:50,535 --> 00:42:51,475

Katie: What did you think about it?

: 1188

00:42:52,775 --> 00:42:53,875

Ryan Rebalkin: be so one best.

: 1189

00:42:53,935 --> 00:42:55,035

So it won

: 1190

00:42:55,285 --> 00:42:56,605

Katie: No, it was nominated

: 1191

00:42:56,785 --> 00:42:57,015

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1192

00:42:57,015 --> 00:42:57,365

Nominee.

: 1193

00:42:57,365 --> 00:42:58,055

Oh, that's fair.

: 1194

00:42:58,085 --> 00:43:02,445

There was one scene in particular

where I could see maybe that was

: 1195

00:43:02,445 --> 00:43:06,500

a scene that got it nominated was

when Curt and Mel got nominated.

: 1196

00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:08,070

We're talking,

: 1197

00:43:08,775 --> 00:43:09,485

Katie: on the swings.

: 1198

00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,630

Ryan Rebalkin: on the swings.

: 1199

00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:12,880

It was a sunset, but it's too bad.

: 1200

00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,910

They couldn't get a sunrise because it

would have been perfect, but it was a

: 1201

00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:19,760

sunset because the sun was going lower

into the mountains, but very cool shot.

: 1202

00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,670

I mean, that was no CGI, no blue screen.

: 1203

00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,560

That was just like, Hey,

we got the sun setting.

: 1204

00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:27,610

You're sitting on the swings at the

beach and the mountains over there.

: 1205

00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:28,640

And they use that natural.

: 1206

00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,270

So they're just silhouetted black and

the dialogue was following the mouse.

: 1207

00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:35,420

You could see the current, when you

would talk and move as I, so there was

: 1208

00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:39,800

obviously post ADR, I would assume,

but they nailed the either way.

: 1209

00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,130

They nailed the dialogue with the

mouth movements that were silhouetted.

: 1210

00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,140

So it was a very good shot.

: 1211

00:43:44,525 --> 00:43:45,175

Katie: That I agree.

: 1212

00:43:45,175 --> 00:43:50,225

I, I, took note of that shot as

well, but there was one shot that I

: 1213

00:43:50,225 --> 00:43:52,735

took note of for a negative reason.

: 1214

00:43:52,815 --> 00:43:54,265

The hot tub scene.

: 1215

00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,110

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh Yeah.

: 1216

00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,180

Did you get the trivia on that?

: 1217

00:43:56,975 --> 00:43:57,335

Katie: Yeah.

: 1218

00:43:57,625 --> 00:43:57,985

Yeah.

: 1219

00:43:58,375 --> 00:44:00,155

So, well, okay.

: 1220

00:44:00,205 --> 00:44:06,685

You guys, there's a scene where Mac

and Joanne are in the hot tub together.

: 1221

00:44:07,075 --> 00:44:08,485

And you know, they're.

: 1222

00:44:08,905 --> 00:44:11,975

Developing a love for each other

and they start, you know, getting

: 1223

00:44:11,975 --> 00:44:14,765

it on and then there's like a steam.

: 1224

00:44:14,775 --> 00:44:15,575

It's very steamy.

: 1225

00:44:15,575 --> 00:44:20,245

There's that cheesy jazz going on even

like the surveillance people are watching

: 1226

00:44:20,245 --> 00:44:22,265

it and they're like, loosening their tie.

: 1227

00:44:22,655 --> 00:44:23,655

It's we're supposed

: 1228

00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:25,060

Ryan Rebalkin: so corny

: 1229

00:44:25,115 --> 00:44:25,325

Katie: that.

: 1230

00:44:25,325 --> 00:44:25,665

hot.

: 1231

00:44:25,965 --> 00:44:27,455

I don't think it was that.

: 1232

00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:28,190

Ryan Rebalkin: love scene

: 1233

00:44:28,615 --> 00:44:29,915

Katie: But here's what I took note of.

: 1234

00:44:29,945 --> 00:44:35,205

I jumped back because they

like jump like violently out

: 1235

00:44:35,205 --> 00:44:37,105

of the water at a certain point.

: 1236

00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:37,630

Did

: 1237

00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:40,040

Ryan Rebalkin: ramble come out though is

like ramble coming out of the water in

: 1238

00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,750

part two and he's killing the V to me He's

: 1239

00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:42,070

like

: 1240

00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:43,470

he's like

: 1241

00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,760

Yeah, I don't get the I

don't get the love scene.

: 1242

00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:51,220

I don't I don't get the love making

aspect of this It's look I'm not

: 1243

00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:55,430

if you want to I don't care where

people make love but water and sex I

: 1244

00:44:55,430 --> 00:45:01,660

don't It's a, it's a different, the

whole coitus in the hot tub thing.

: 1245

00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:02,910

It's not appealing to me.

: 1246

00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:04,040

Katie: also, it's gross.

: 1247

00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:04,690

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, well,

: 1248

00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:05,060

that's what I

: 1249

00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,100

Katie: you'll get a UTI.

: 1250

00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,050

Ryan Rebalkin: And I'll let you share

the trivia cause you, you do have it.

: 1251

00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:15,710

And I assumed you would, but it just, it

looked uncomfortable and it was really

: 1252

00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:17,460

uncomfortable and it looked uncomfortable.

: 1253

00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:19,480

It doesn't, it's not

that it's not that sexy.

: 1254

00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,890

I think they think it looks

sexy cause they're wet.

: 1255

00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:23,430

And they're glistening.

: 1256

00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,720

So I think aesthetically we're supposed

to think, and the other thing I don't like

: 1257

00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:31,230

is when you have this classical people are

listening in on it, you know, there's, you

: 1258

00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:32,770

know, the cops are listening in and out.

: 1259

00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:35,540

Are they really turned on?

: 1260

00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:39,040

Like me listening to people have sex,

like just the audio version of it.

: 1261

00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,180

Yeah you know, whatever it is, like.

: 1262

00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:44,410

Why would I be and then I'm not

turned on with other guys around me.

: 1263

00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,530

It's a weird.

: 1264

00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:47,800

It's not that hot and

heavy I think it's a holy.

: 1265

00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,130

Oh boy this let me go in the heaven

once I want to hear it I don't know.

: 1266

00:45:51,250 --> 00:45:53,770

Katie: I thought they

had video on them too.

: 1267

00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:56,480

Ryan Rebalkin: definitely audio because

they're asking for the half I think

: 1268

00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,530

it was maybe you're right there was

but I don't think it's see through the

: 1269

00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:01,840

canvas and stuff I mean

the hot tub was private.

: 1270

00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,150

There was a

: 1271

00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:05,240

Katie: I guess, yeah, for some reason

I thought there was video also because

: 1272

00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:06,490

they were like, is she gonna leave?

: 1273

00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:07,300

Is she gonna leave?

: 1274

00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:08,310

And no, she doesn't.

: 1275

00:46:09,865 --> 00:46:14,225

They did start in the hot tub and

then ended like on the deck of it.

: 1276

00:46:14,735 --> 00:46:16,425

That's where they actually had sex.

: 1277

00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:19,025

And, you know, she's a beautiful

woman, so I can see them being

: 1278

00:46:19,025 --> 00:46:20,715

like, Oh, if they could see

: 1279

00:46:21,075 --> 00:46:25,325

Ryan Rebalkin: If they can see sure, but

the whole, look, I, I never understood.

: 1280

00:46:25,325 --> 00:46:27,235

Cause I hear, look, I I'm old.

: 1281

00:46:27,245 --> 00:46:29,575

I hear about, you hear,

like I hear podcast stuff.

: 1282

00:46:29,615 --> 00:46:33,095

People say, yeah, you know, my,

my old man had this VHS tape.

: 1283

00:46:33,095 --> 00:46:34,345

And me and my friends would watch it.

: 1284

00:46:34,355 --> 00:46:38,325

And I don't, I don't, I don't get in

sharing adult stuff with other people.

: 1285

00:46:38,645 --> 00:46:39,115

It's a,

: 1286

00:46:40,675 --> 00:46:42,995

Katie: well, no, you wouldn't,

you wouldn't want to watch porn

: 1287

00:46:43,345 --> 00:46:44,395

with people.

: 1288

00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:46,050

Ryan Rebalkin: No, that's what I'm saying.

: 1289

00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:46,470

But you know what I'm

: 1290

00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:46,840

saying.

: 1291

00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:48,450

But that's what they were acting like.

: 1292

00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:50,000

I understand there was

no internet back then.

: 1293

00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,540

So maybe this is

: 1294

00:46:50,695 --> 00:46:51,465

Katie: Yeah, this

: 1295

00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,270

Ryan Rebalkin: It's like

a live cam for them, so

: 1296

00:46:53,335 --> 00:46:53,995

Katie: it was.

: 1297

00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:58,340

Ryan Rebalkin: but it's not that I

guess like you guys are also adults,

: 1298

00:46:58,340 --> 00:46:59,750

settle down, you know, what sex is

: 1299

00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,700

But it's for the audience.

: 1300

00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:06,060

It's supposed to be, it's because it's

like, it's a steamy scene, but now it's

: 1301

00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,670

Katie: literal steam literal

: 1302

00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:08,500

Ryan Rebalkin: literal steam.

: 1303

00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,160

And now, but it's a little bit

of comedy as well for for us.

: 1304

00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:13,060

Katie: It was very strange.

: 1305

00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:15,070

They shot out of the water.

: 1306

00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:17,230

Ryan Rebalkin: it

: 1307

00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:20,140

was actually, no, it was a

horrible, it was horribly shot.

: 1308

00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:20,360

You're right.

: 1309

00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,200

It's horrible lighting.

: 1310

00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,110

Not very well shot.

: 1311

00:47:22,110 --> 00:47:26,040

So cinematography wise, this was like,

I've seen a few love scenes in movies,

: 1312

00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:28,640

like Top Gun's a good one that comes

to mind where it's like, kind of like,

: 1313

00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,830

it's very like, Ooh, I feel a little

bit uncomfortable watching this with

: 1314

00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:34,740

my kids, but you know, like it's a,

but it, cause it's not gratuitous,

: 1315

00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:39,225

like I don't, you don't need, I don't,

Actually, I'm not, I don't, I'm going

: 1316

00:47:39,225 --> 00:47:40,305

to show my cards here a little bit.

: 1317

00:47:40,305 --> 00:47:44,175

I don't need sex scenes in films,

but when they're there, it's okay.

: 1318

00:47:44,175 --> 00:47:44,905

They're passionate.

: 1319

00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:45,435

I get it.

: 1320

00:47:45,435 --> 00:47:46,225

Like it's okay.

: 1321

00:47:46,775 --> 00:47:49,805

I don't need gratuitous nest

or five minutes long either.

: 1322

00:47:50,095 --> 00:47:50,555

But.

: 1323

00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:53,470

I get that they were hot

and heavy for each other.

: 1324

00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:54,930

There's nothing wrong with this scene.

: 1325

00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:56,270

There was nothing really gratuitous in it.

: 1326

00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:58,030

It was just, it just seemed awkward.

: 1327

00:47:58,060 --> 00:47:59,910

It just seemed it was filmed awkwardly.

: 1328

00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:04,280

And I think the actors had an awkward

experience, if I recall correctly.

: 1329

00:48:04,935 --> 00:48:05,525

Katie: Yes.

: 1330

00:48:05,625 --> 00:48:11,595

So the hot tub was not built

properly or chlorinated.

: 1331

00:48:12,285 --> 00:48:18,155

So Michelle Pfeiffer and her double and

Mel Gibson got skin rashes and splinters

: 1332

00:48:18,205 --> 00:48:22,155

from the wood production shut down for

a few days, actually, while Michelle

: 1333

00:48:22,155 --> 00:48:23,785

Pfeiffer recovered from her rash.

: 1334

00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:24,680

Gross.

: 1335

00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,490

Ryan Rebalkin: From the wood, you say?

: 1336

00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,880

Katie: We're like, what's that

rash from if there wasn't because

: 1337

00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,080

I can see if it was like overly

chlorinated the chemicals, but why

: 1338

00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,960

would you get a rash from just water.

: 1339

00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:37,310

Ryan Rebalkin: I don't know

if it's from the water.

: 1340

00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,400

It could just be from, from the

actual the rubbing on the wood on

: 1341

00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:41,310

Katie: Oh, yeah.

: 1342

00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:41,580

Yeah.

: 1343

00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:42,030

Okay.

: 1344

00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:42,480

Yeah.

: 1345

00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:45,230

Ryan Rebalkin: So it's like a,

like a rug burn, but On the wood.

: 1346

00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:45,490

Yeah.

: 1347

00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,600

Katie: Actually, since we were

talking about friends, I will bring

: 1348

00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,570

up this little piece of trivia.

: 1349

00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,010

I missed it.

: 1350

00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:56,950

I didn't take note of it, but

apparently in 1 scene, Matt LeBlanc.

: 1351

00:48:57,465 --> 00:49:01,045

Appears on the TV in a commercial,

which actually was a real

: 1352

00:49:01,045 --> 00:49:02,585

commercial for Heinz ketchup.

: 1353

00:49:02,605 --> 00:49:03,375

Did you see it?

: 1354

00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,280

Ryan Rebalkin: I, I, I missed the,

I missed looking at the commercial.

: 1355

00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,080

I just recognized the TV's on,

but yeah, what a weird connection

: 1356

00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,640

that there's Matt LeBlanc going

to be a famous actor one day.

: 1357

00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:13,230

That's funny.

: 1358

00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:16,720

Yeah,

: 1359

00:49:17,105 --> 00:49:18,585

Katie: of just the 10 of us.

: 1360

00:49:18,615 --> 00:49:23,195

He plays like a football player that

Wendy, 1 of the daughters states.

: 1361

00:49:23,375 --> 00:49:23,765

Yeah,

: 1362

00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:24,590

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

: 1363

00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:27,045

Katie: and I remember, you

know, being a kid at that time

: 1364

00:49:27,045 --> 00:49:28,935

being like, oh, he's cute.

: 1365

00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:30,680

Ryan Rebalkin: joy.

: 1366

00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:31,090

Yeah.

: 1367

00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:32,530

Katie: But Joey's not really that

: 1368

00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,170

Ryan Rebalkin: who's your, okay.

: 1369

00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:36,440

So really quickly, you might've

already answered this when you

: 1370

00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,430

guessed it on my show, but of

the three guys all in their prime

: 1371

00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,860

and they're older care,

no, you have, okay.

: 1372

00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:42,210

Stop.

: 1373

00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:43,000

Here you go.

: 1374

00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,600

Here, who's your F Mary kill for the three

: 1375

00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:47,750

Katie: Well, speaking of which I did that.

: 1376

00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:50,590

I did friends for F Mary

kill on Scott's show.

: 1377

00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:55,810

And I think I did do F

Joey before he got fat.

: 1378

00:49:56,730 --> 00:50:00,210

Like when, when, you know, earlier

on when he was still kind of a,

: 1379

00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:01,150

Ryan Rebalkin: That's why I said prime.

: 1380

00:50:01,150 --> 00:50:01,790

That's why I said prime.

: 1381

00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:02,630

All of them in their prime.

: 1382

00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:04,980

Katie: when early Joey, I guess.

: 1383

00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,380

Yeah.

: 1384

00:50:05,655 --> 00:50:06,195

Ryan Rebalkin: F him.

: 1385

00:50:06,435 --> 00:50:07,395

Okay, then Mary.

: 1386

00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:11,420

Katie: Oh, I got to kill one.

: 1387

00:50:11,595 --> 00:50:12,015

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1388

00:50:12,105 --> 00:50:12,765

That's F Mary.

: 1389

00:50:12,765 --> 00:50:13,095

Kill.

: 1390

00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:14,020

Katie: I guess.

: 1391

00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:16,330

I guess I would marry

Chandler and kill Ross.

: 1392

00:50:16,745 --> 00:50:17,165

Ryan Rebalkin: Wow.

: 1393

00:50:17,195 --> 00:50:18,005

Kill Ross, eh.

: 1394

00:50:18,095 --> 00:50:18,695

Oh, poor.

: 1395

00:50:19,025 --> 00:50:19,775

But that's terrible.

: 1396

00:50:19,775 --> 00:50:20,045

'cause now I'm

: 1397

00:50:20,045 --> 00:50:22,055

married to Monica and we're gonna

have to, we're gonna have to go to

: 1398

00:50:22,055 --> 00:50:23,195

his funeral hole because of you,

: 1399

00:50:24,905 --> 00:50:25,465

Katie: Yeah.

: 1400

00:50:25,965 --> 00:50:26,415

Ryan Rebalkin: Monica?

: 1401

00:50:26,415 --> 00:50:26,655

Yep.

: 1402

00:50:27,025 --> 00:50:27,865

Katie: oh, for sure.

: 1403

00:50:27,975 --> 00:50:28,865

Who would you kill?

: 1404

00:50:28,935 --> 00:50:29,395

And,

: 1405

00:50:29,455 --> 00:50:30,285

Ryan Rebalkin: would marry Monica.

: 1406

00:50:30,295 --> 00:50:32,925

I would F Phoebe because I think

she'd be the funnest in bed.

: 1407

00:50:32,965 --> 00:50:34,715

And then I'd kill Rachel just out of

: 1408

00:50:34,715 --> 00:50:35,675

spite for everyone

: 1409

00:50:36,585 --> 00:50:39,245

Katie: no, I, I, I support

this a hundred percent.

: 1410

00:50:39,705 --> 00:50:43,365

And there's even an episode

where Phoebe says something like

: 1411

00:50:43,365 --> 00:50:51,315

when she's trying to fake seduce

Chandler and she's, I'm very bendy.

: 1412

00:50:51,845 --> 00:50:52,205

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1413

00:50:52,345 --> 00:50:52,455

All

: 1414

00:50:52,475 --> 00:50:52,855

Katie: All right.

: 1415

00:50:53,075 --> 00:50:54,365

This movie did make money.

: 1416

00:50:54,825 --> 00:50:58,635

It had a budget of $23

million and it grossed 106.

: 1417

00:50:58,955 --> 00:51:00,035

Were you surprised by that?

: 1418

00:51:01,225 --> 00:51:02,035

Ryan Rebalkin: yes and no.

: 1419

00:51:02,565 --> 00:51:02,945

Okay.

: 1420

00:51:02,955 --> 00:51:06,165

So the rating on IMDB doesn't surprise me.

: 1421

00:51:06,165 --> 00:51:08,855

And then the box office isn't

surprised because of who's in it.

: 1422

00:51:09,475 --> 00:51:10,045

Katie: True?

: 1423

00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:10,570

Mm-hmm

: 1424

00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:11,470

Ryan Rebalkin: People went

: 1425

00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:13,360

to the, you got to keep in

mind, this was during the

: 1426

00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,250

time of movies where people went

to the films because of the actors.

: 1427

00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,030

I was, I was a part of this.

: 1428

00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,060

So that's why even as a

: 1429

00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,470

kid, I remember when this movie

came out, I was 13, but I was

: 1430

00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:25,020

watching Mad Max lethal weapon.

: 1431

00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:27,990

So I'm like very aware

of Mel and I like Mel.

: 1432

00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:30,950

So I'm like, but there's a reason

why I, and I like Kurt Russell.

: 1433

00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:32,720

I'd watched, you know, of

course, carousel films.

: 1434

00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,270

I was aware of carousel and love carousel

back as a teenager, but this was a film

: 1435

00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:43,430

that even back then, I kind of knew as

a teenage boy that it wasn't the weapon.

: 1436

00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:44,440

It wasn't Mad Max.

: 1437

00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:45,870

It was, I could tell it was a.

: 1438

00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,760

Film the war drama love triangle.

: 1439

00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,710

It's like, I probably saw a trailer on TV.

: 1440

00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:56,910

I'm like, eh, like it

doesn't appeal to me.

: 1441

00:51:56,910 --> 00:51:58,240

It seems too adulty.

: 1442

00:51:58,270 --> 00:52:02,170

Like even I would be like, they're

trying to be, it's skipped my

: 1443

00:52:02,190 --> 00:52:05,030

I probably just kept picking a

different movie off blockbuster shelf.

: 1444

00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:07,170

And the years go on, the years go on.

: 1445

00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:07,300

I'm like,

: 1446

00:52:07,325 --> 00:52:07,655

Katie: Yep.

: 1447

00:52:07,775 --> 00:52:08,135

Yep.

: 1448

00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:08,840

Ryan Rebalkin: this long.

: 1449

00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:12,510

So I've seen almost every Mel

Gibson and Kurt Russell film.

: 1450

00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:14,000

But this, like I said, this is one that.

: 1451

00:52:14,570 --> 00:52:18,310

Funny enough, they're both in it, and it

wasn't enough of a draw for a teenage boy

: 1452

00:52:18,310 --> 00:52:22,350

to watch, but I can see why my parents

probably went and saw it in the theaters.

: 1453

00:52:22,485 --> 00:52:26,525

Katie: Mm-hmm . So, yeah,

I never saw it either.

: 1454

00:52:26,525 --> 00:52:30,535

The name of the movie is not

descriptive of what it's about at

: 1455

00:52:30,535 --> 00:52:33,125

all, so, you know, I What's that?

: 1456

00:52:33,245 --> 00:52:34,025

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1457

00:52:34,055 --> 00:52:36,575

It's, and Mel drinks that

drink in the, you know.

: 1458

00:52:36,665 --> 00:52:37,025

Yeah.

: 1459

00:52:38,095 --> 00:52:42,795

I mean, I guess like they play on

sunrise, like the beach sunrise,

: 1460

00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:44,800

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, but

they, I mean, that whole

: 1461

00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:46,560

scene should have been a sunrise.

: 1462

00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,570

I don't know, anyways, whatever.

: 1463

00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:58,060

Katie: so IMDb has it with

six categories of movie.

: 1464

00:52:58,510 --> 00:53:00,100

I think this is part of why we didn't.

: 1465

00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:06,950

They say it is a dark comedy, drug crime,

crime, drama, romance, and thriller.

: 1466

00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:09,890

Usually it's like two or

three categories in a movie.

: 1467

00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:13,380

So this, it's just it is a

little all over the place.

: 1468

00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,830

But it did still get a six,

which that's pretty decent.

: 1469

00:53:19,375 --> 00:53:21,035

Ryan Rebalkin: Are we going

to talk about the main cast?

: 1470

00:53:21,075 --> 00:53:23,445

I mean, I don't have to, because

I've got things I want to say.

: 1471

00:53:23,445 --> 00:53:23,515

And I

: 1472

00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:24,400

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1473

00:53:24,445 --> 00:53:25,285

Ryan Rebalkin: the, well, this ties

: 1474

00:53:25,285 --> 00:53:25,865

into why.

: 1475

00:53:25,865 --> 00:53:31,335

So I think for me, the score is

valid in that the cast was great.

: 1476

00:53:32,575 --> 00:53:34,675

I don't think it was the

best script in the world.

: 1477

00:53:34,705 --> 00:53:38,475

I think Robert Towne, I think he

thinks he's making another Chinatown.

: 1478

00:53:38,485 --> 00:53:38,955

I think he,

: 1479

00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:40,610

Katie: Mm

: 1480

00:53:40,685 --> 00:53:42,275

Ryan Rebalkin: everyone can

be, Not everyone can be,

: 1481

00:53:42,315 --> 00:53:43,115

Quentin Tarantino.

: 1482

00:53:43,115 --> 00:53:44,405

He's one of my favorite director writers.

: 1483

00:53:44,405 --> 00:53:44,805

I'm sorry.

: 1484

00:53:44,825 --> 00:53:47,405

Like every time he writes a film

Holy crap, this guy knows how to

: 1485

00:53:47,405 --> 00:53:50,525

write a fricking dialogue and knows

how to write films, I think Robert

: 1486

00:53:50,525 --> 00:53:51,815

Towne would like to think he could be

: 1487

00:53:51,815 --> 00:53:55,185

a QT and he's just not, I think he

wrote a really good film, Chinatown.

: 1488

00:53:55,455 --> 00:53:57,005

I don't know if it was

ever quite revisited.

: 1489

00:53:57,005 --> 00:53:57,035

I

: 1490

00:53:57,035 --> 00:53:57,305

don't.

: 1491

00:53:57,785 --> 00:54:00,225

So I think, I think he

thinks it's a smart film.

: 1492

00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:02,590

And then the actors got to work

with the guy that, you know,

: 1493

00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,090

gave Jack Nicholson in Chinatown.

: 1494

00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:05,450

So they got to work with Robert Towne.

: 1495

00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:08,000

It's like back then that was like

the Quentin Tarantino of the day.

: 1496

00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:09,720

So they're like, Hey, we get to work

: 1497

00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,440

with this smart writer,

intelligent writer.

: 1498

00:54:11,805 --> 00:54:14,385

And the script does seem intelligent.

: 1499

00:54:14,425 --> 00:54:18,845

Like it doesn't seem like on

paper probably sounds smart and

: 1500

00:54:19,215 --> 00:54:21,355

the actors brought their a game.

: 1501

00:54:21,365 --> 00:54:22,305

Nobody dialed it in.

: 1502

00:54:22,435 --> 00:54:23,625

Mel was very Mel.

: 1503

00:54:23,705 --> 00:54:28,055

Michelle was very Michelle and Kurt was

very Kurt and they did all the things that

: 1504

00:54:28,055 --> 00:54:30,075

I like that they do as actors.

: 1505

00:54:30,085 --> 00:54:30,955

They did it in this film.

: 1506

00:54:30,965 --> 00:54:32,135

Nobody quote unquote dialed in.

: 1507

00:54:32,135 --> 00:54:35,415

I don't think anyone showed

up and said Oh, I liked what I

: 1508

00:54:35,425 --> 00:54:36,735

saw with what they were given.

: 1509

00:54:36,895 --> 00:54:38,115

And so that's your six.

: 1510

00:54:38,135 --> 00:54:38,425

I think.

: 1511

00:54:39,195 --> 00:54:43,045

To me, the movie was, the plot

was kind of cliche and boring.

: 1512

00:54:43,505 --> 00:54:47,175

It's like Fox and the hound, you

know, in that he got a criminal and

: 1513

00:54:47,175 --> 00:54:48,835

a cop who are friends that come on.

: 1514

00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:54,955

I mean, I don't know if he invented that

trope, but that's a trope the law, but

: 1515

00:54:54,955 --> 00:54:56,425

they're friends and they're conflicted.

: 1516

00:54:56,425 --> 00:54:57,605

And then we have a love triangle.

: 1517

00:54:57,615 --> 00:54:58,915

Ooh, that's never been done before.

: 1518

00:54:59,185 --> 00:55:00,015

I don't know.

: 1519

00:55:00,015 --> 00:55:02,535

And, and look, it's another

drug movie from the eighties.

: 1520

00:55:02,805 --> 00:55:05,115

And so all these things

were like, Oh, the.

: 1521

00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:10,590

The storylines had either been done

before in other films and TV and done

: 1522

00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:16,850

better, but then you have a actors in

their prime delivering these things.

: 1523

00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:20,110

You're like, okay, well, it's watchable

because it's them and the other actors.

: 1524

00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:20,900

I would have turned it off.

: 1525

00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:22,910

Katie: Yeah, I think I

would agree with that.

: 1526

00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:26,740

I think it had high,

: 1527

00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:28,430

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, it looks

: 1528

00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:29,710

Katie: there was something there.

: 1529

00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:30,920

There was something there.

: 1530

00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:35,020

And even, you know, I, I think I differ

from you in that there was a lot of

: 1531

00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:40,540

different plots kind of that he tried

to marry and bring together and, you

: 1532

00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:44,975

know, Different components of a movie,

like you said, the love triangle,

: 1533

00:55:45,285 --> 00:55:48,665

the reveals, there's like a couple of

different surprise reveals like that.

: 1534

00:55:48,665 --> 00:55:54,035

The cousin is the informant that

Raul Julia is that the, the Mexican

: 1535

00:55:54,115 --> 00:55:56,895

commandante is actually the bad guy.

: 1536

00:55:57,235 --> 00:55:59,185

And then it's sort of like, well.

: 1537

00:55:59,690 --> 00:56:01,500

Is Michelle Pfeiffer in on this?

: 1538

00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:02,730

Does she know?

: 1539

00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:03,900

Does she not know?

: 1540

00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:06,010

Does Kurt really like her?

: 1541

00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:07,640

Or is he just pretending?

: 1542

00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:10,130

Because that's a whole thing

throughout the movie too, that

: 1543

00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:11,690

she's trying to determine.

: 1544

00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,690

Whether he really likes her or not.

: 1545

00:56:16,090 --> 00:56:16,440

P.

: 1546

00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:16,940

S.

: 1547

00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,940

How fun for Michelle Pfeiffer

to get to, have fun.

: 1548

00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:23,500

With both Kurt Russell and Mel Gibson, I

am not a fan of Mel Gibson, but I think

: 1549

00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,880

he probably looks his best in this movie.

: 1550

00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:28,000

He looked very normal.

: 1551

00:56:28,595 --> 00:56:30,425

Ryan Rebalkin: No, this is not

a, this is not a criticism.

: 1552

00:56:30,425 --> 00:56:32,245

This is, I'm going to ask a question.

: 1553

00:56:32,245 --> 00:56:37,085

It's not meant to be like, honestly,

but let me ask the question.

: 1554

00:56:39,085 --> 00:56:43,725

You don't know anything about Mel

outside of movies that you see on screen.

: 1555

00:56:44,435 --> 00:56:44,755

Okay.

: 1556

00:56:44,825 --> 00:56:47,675

So how do you think he did in this film?

: 1557

00:56:47,785 --> 00:56:49,845

Or how would you grade Mel as an actor?

: 1558

00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:51,610

Katie: Based on this movie?

: 1559

00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,790

Ryan Rebalkin: Just, well,

maybe just generally, now

: 1560

00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:54,560

we're talking about the actors.

: 1561

00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,470

I think, I find these parts fascinating,

just talking about the actors as

: 1562

00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:03,480

Katie: Yeah, I guess even before he had

scandal, I did not care about Mel at all.

: 1563

00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,150

I actually criticize people for saying,

you know, cause he was sexiest man

: 1564

00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:10,890

alive for people and, you know, a TV,

they would be like, oh, Mel's, but I

: 1565

00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:13,150

never thought he was attractive at all.

: 1566

00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:14,570

Like at all,

: 1567

00:57:14,905 --> 00:57:16,955

Ryan Rebalkin: No, it's interesting

to hear a woman's, again, a female

: 1568

00:57:16,955 --> 00:57:21,715

woman's perspective as a, as a young

man I would say this about Mel, I've

: 1569

00:57:21,715 --> 00:57:25,185

enjoyed his films and of course, when

all this stuff came out, it's always,

: 1570

00:57:25,235 --> 00:57:27,685

it's always disheartening because

you're like, ah, man, it's always

: 1571

00:57:27,685 --> 00:57:31,205

disheartening because there's a part

of you where you've received enjoyment

: 1572

00:57:31,205 --> 00:57:35,675

from a movie star or a musician and

then some scandal comes out or some

: 1573

00:57:35,795 --> 00:57:37,525

like not flattering stuff comes out.

: 1574

00:57:37,525 --> 00:57:40,405

You're like, you're conflicted because

it's like, oh, the art was fine.

: 1575

00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,980

Do I not enjoy now?

: 1576

00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:43,410

Do I not like the patriot anymore?

: 1577

00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:47,040

Do I not like so or you know Do I

not like those things braveheart?

: 1578

00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,290

Do I not like that anymore?

: 1579

00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:52,430

So the all that being said, Watching

mel is an interesting character.

: 1580

00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:58,795

I would say He is definitely somebody

I have seen films because it's tough.

: 1581

00:57:58,795 --> 00:58:01,965

I think he's one of these, what I'm

trying to say here is that I've seen

: 1582

00:58:01,965 --> 00:58:05,185

a lot of his films, but he's not

like a Stallone for me in the sense.

: 1583

00:58:05,195 --> 00:58:07,845

I've literally have a Sloan's come

with a new film when I was a teenager.

: 1584

00:58:07,845 --> 00:58:08,775

Like I've got to go see it.

: 1585

00:58:08,775 --> 00:58:10,345

I even saw a stopper on my mobile shoot.

: 1586

00:58:10,385 --> 00:58:11,535

I saw that in the theaters.

: 1587

00:58:11,565 --> 00:58:11,975

Why?

: 1588

00:58:12,075 --> 00:58:13,635

Cause Stallone was like, I was a Stallone

: 1589

00:58:13,645 --> 00:58:13,895

nut.

: 1590

00:58:14,105 --> 00:58:18,005

If he was, If he was in it, I saw the

film in the theaters, but then Mel's

: 1591

00:58:18,005 --> 00:58:21,435

an interesting character where I'll

give him, he's a hundred percent.

: 1592

00:58:22,210 --> 00:58:26,100

You can almost put Tom Cruise in the

same category because on screen Mel

: 1593

00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:27,960

Gazit is all whether you like it or not.

: 1594

00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:33,380

And he's 100 percent an actor's actor

in that he does his melisms and either

: 1595

00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:35,100

you like those or you don't on screen.

: 1596

00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:35,990

Tom's the same way.

: 1597

00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:38,370

Tom brings his Tominess

to all of his films.

: 1598

00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:39,900

Either you like that or you don't,

: 1599

00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:41,730

because when it comes to acting, these

: 1600

00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:44,580

guys laid on the film, that's,

that's kind of who they are.

: 1601

00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:48,030

So there's parts in this film too,

where he's just very, I forget the

: 1602

00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:49,680

name Riggs from the lethal weapon

: 1603

00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:49,960

films.

: 1604

00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:51,940

You could see, but that's his Mel.

: 1605

00:58:52,255 --> 00:58:55,435

And, but I've seen this with, it's

not a criticism or a compliment.

: 1606

00:58:55,435 --> 00:58:57,815

It's just, you see this with other

actors and actresses where it's like,

: 1607

00:58:57,815 --> 00:58:59,075

Oh, you're just kind of that way.

: 1608

00:58:59,325 --> 00:59:02,015

I, in fact, I'm watching I just finished

watching the morning show, the old

: 1609

00:59:02,015 --> 00:59:04,275

seasons on Apple TV with Jennifer Aniston.

: 1610

00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:04,405

And,

: 1611

00:59:04,865 --> 00:59:06,245

and I like her don't give her a

: 1612

00:59:06,685 --> 00:59:06,855

bit

: 1613

00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:07,520

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1614

00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:07,670

I

: 1615

00:59:07,675 --> 00:59:08,205

Ryan Rebalkin: think she's beautiful.

: 1616

00:59:08,215 --> 00:59:08,745

I think she is

: 1617

00:59:08,745 --> 00:59:09,865

beautiful and she's wonderful.

: 1618

00:59:09,915 --> 00:59:12,545

I actually like her a lot and

she was great in that show.

: 1619

00:59:12,545 --> 00:59:13,945

It was great to see her dramatic role.

: 1620

00:59:14,065 --> 00:59:15,415

And, but.

: 1621

00:59:15,775 --> 00:59:18,695

Even watching that it wasn't

like oh, I still see Rachel.

: 1622

00:59:18,905 --> 00:59:22,035

I've what as I've watched movies

as time has gone on It's not

: 1623

00:59:22,035 --> 00:59:23,115

that you still see Rachel.

: 1624

00:59:23,855 --> 00:59:24,815

It's just Jennifer Aniston.

: 1625

00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:25,680

Katie: Sure.

: 1626

00:59:26,025 --> 00:59:26,785

Ryan Rebalkin: That's what I mean.

: 1627

00:59:26,785 --> 00:59:27,155

So she

: 1628

00:59:27,155 --> 00:59:29,265

was like in this dramatic

role She's cursing.

: 1629

00:59:29,265 --> 00:59:30,145

She's having sex.

: 1630

00:59:30,145 --> 00:59:33,835

She's doing all these very adult

things in this TV show But she

: 1631

00:59:33,835 --> 00:59:36,815

would say stuff like oh, she would

call some of her co stars, honey.

: 1632

00:59:36,925 --> 00:59:40,825

For example, she go Oh, that's what Rachel

used to do call her co stars, honey.

: 1633

00:59:40,825 --> 00:59:42,685

But no, that's that's Jennifer Aniston

: 1634

00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:44,710

She's probably not even the script,

: 1635

00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:46,190

but she just refers to people's honey.

: 1636

00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,210

So anyways, I say all

: 1637

00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:52,310

that Mel There's times

where I like the crazy eyes.

: 1638

00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,960

I like the way he is I like the I like

some of his facial mannerisms and his

: 1639

00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:59,960

humor and his comedy that he brings

to these sometimes serious roles It's

: 1640

00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:05,475

actually very good he's very good at it,

but then yeah, the controversy, but I

: 1641

01:00:05,475 --> 01:00:07,265

just want to say for this is peak mel.

: 1642

01:00:07,665 --> 01:00:08,765

It's too bad.

: 1643

01:00:08,765 --> 01:00:09,635

Those kind of a way.

: 1644

01:00:09,945 --> 01:00:10,535

I'll say it again.

: 1645

01:00:10,535 --> 01:00:13,585

That's a bit of a waste of peak

mel because he's 32 in this film.

: 1646

01:00:13,585 --> 01:00:14,585

By the way, he's 32.

: 1647

01:00:15,045 --> 01:00:15,405

Yeah.

: 1648

01:00:15,955 --> 01:00:18,715

Because again, I've already criticized

the script, so I think he did

: 1649

01:00:18,715 --> 01:00:19,935

great with the script that he had.

: 1650

01:00:20,205 --> 01:00:25,375

He's 32 Kurt Russell's 37

and Michelle Pfeiffer's 30.

: 1651

01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:26,840

Katie: Okay.

: 1652

01:00:27,115 --> 01:00:28,255

Ryan Rebalkin: JT Walsh, I

: 1653

01:00:28,255 --> 01:00:29,515

believe is my age in this film.

: 1654

01:00:30,025 --> 01:00:30,425

It's funny.

: 1655

01:00:30,825 --> 01:00:32,255

I think he was like 40.

: 1656

01:00:32,255 --> 01:00:34,785

I think you know, he's 45 He's

younger than me in this film.

: 1657

01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:35,585

So

: 1658

01:00:35,605 --> 01:00:37,075

it's yeah, I just it's

one of those people.

: 1659

01:00:37,075 --> 01:00:38,225

It's like do you ever look young?

: 1660

01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,590

But so that was the ages of these are

all actors like Michelle Mel and Kurt

: 1661

01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,700

prime and Kurt looked Yeah, extremely

: 1662

01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,010

Katie: my God.

: 1663

01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:48,320

Can we talk about how

: 1664

01:00:48,515 --> 01:00:50,275

Ryan Rebalkin: Well yeah, so

are you done with the mail?

: 1665

01:00:50,275 --> 01:00:50,775

I want you to

: 1666

01:00:50,835 --> 01:00:51,405

put a bow on

: 1667

01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:51,890

Katie: Okay.

: 1668

01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,440

So yeah, like controversy.

: 1669

01:00:54,490 --> 01:00:56,480

It's interesting that you

brought up Tom Cruise and I'm

: 1670

01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,710

not trying to , say that I'm

: 1671

01:00:58,550 --> 01:01:01,360

smarter than other people,

but I am empathic in that.

: 1672

01:01:01,420 --> 01:01:03,370

I think there's a reason there's a reason.

: 1673

01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:06,000

And I, you don't always know until

later why I don't like someone

: 1674

01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:08,390

I'll be like, Oh, so once I'm not.

: 1675

01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:10,380

I'm not loving so and

: 1676

01:01:10,465 --> 01:01:10,925

Ryan Rebalkin: cut.

: 1677

01:01:11,045 --> 01:01:11,215

It's

: 1678

01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,990

Katie: And then you find

out later, Oh, okay.

: 1679

01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:14,940

Now I see why.

: 1680

01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:18,060

And you know, everybody

was gaga over Tom Cruise.

: 1681

01:01:18,670 --> 01:01:22,330

I did think he was attractive in some

movies, you know, from back in the day.

: 1682

01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,520

But I was never crazy for Tom Cruise.

: 1683

01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,990

I think he, , gets a lot of

praise for his work ethic.

: 1684

01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:32,970

He's like really good, but, and I think

Mel, I've enjoyed some of Mel's movies.

: 1685

01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:35,420

Movies didn't ever

think he was attractive.

: 1686

01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:36,800

In fact, this is the movie.

: 1687

01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,060

I think he's the most attractive.

: 1688

01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:39,590

His hair was very normal.

: 1689

01:01:39,655 --> 01:01:40,405

Ryan Rebalkin: it was normal.

: 1690

01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:41,005

yeah, it was in the

: 1691

01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:44,730

Katie: It was like a regular guy and

you know, he had a fairly decent body.

: 1692

01:01:45,260 --> 01:01:46,270

Ryan Rebalkin: When I was 32, yeah.

: 1693

01:01:46,925 --> 01:01:49,315

Katie: Well he should have a better

body if he's going through to anyways.

: 1694

01:01:49,355 --> 01:01:54,885

No, I joke, but so I guess what I'm saying

is I know they were both movie stars.

: 1695

01:01:54,905 --> 01:01:58,425

And to your point about people used to

go to movies because so and so was in it.

: 1696

01:01:58,995 --> 01:02:00,345

KUrt is a draw for me.

: 1697

01:02:01,075 --> 01:02:02,635

I will watch a movie because Kurt's in it.

: 1698

01:02:03,095 --> 01:02:06,045

I will not watch a movie solely

because Tom Cruise is in it.

: 1699

01:02:06,045 --> 01:02:07,815

In fact, it has the opposite effect for me

: 1700

01:02:08,175 --> 01:02:08,625

Ryan Rebalkin: That's fair.

: 1701

01:02:08,635 --> 01:02:09,265

You're not the only one.

: 1702

01:02:09,265 --> 01:02:10,325

You're not alone in that.

: 1703

01:02:10,535 --> 01:02:11,565

You're just, you're not alone in

: 1704

01:02:11,805 --> 01:02:15,005

Katie: similar with Mel not at all.

: 1705

01:02:15,015 --> 01:02:19,135

Like I don't, I don't care

about Mel and even before.

: 1706

01:02:19,985 --> 01:02:22,695

Scandals even before we knew

Tom Cruise was in that job.

: 1707

01:02:22,735 --> 01:02:23,785

I was just like, all right.

: 1708

01:02:24,025 --> 01:02:26,745

I liked days of thunder because

I liked days of thunder.

: 1709

01:02:28,095 --> 01:02:28,665

Ryan Rebalkin: No, that's fair.

: 1710

01:02:28,675 --> 01:02:30,645

You're not, you're not

saying anything funny.

: 1711

01:02:30,725 --> 01:02:33,505

you're not saying anything

controversial or, or even that crazy.

: 1712

01:02:33,505 --> 01:02:34,645

That goes for every actor.

: 1713

01:02:34,645 --> 01:02:35,695

Again, you and I are sly

: 1714

01:02:35,755 --> 01:02:37,335

Katie: yeah, everybody has their.

: 1715

01:02:37,485 --> 01:02:38,285

Ryan Rebalkin: can't stand, that guy.

: 1716

01:02:38,325 --> 01:02:39,235

There's people that can't stand

: 1717

01:02:39,315 --> 01:02:39,725

Katie: Yeah.

: 1718

01:02:39,735 --> 01:02:43,215

I feel like I was like, there was a

reason why I was like, no, thanks.

: 1719

01:02:43,295 --> 01:02:43,635

On those

: 1720

01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,600

Ryan Rebalkin: I'll say this about,

it was on the tip of my tongue.

: 1721

01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:46,300

It just came back to me.

: 1722

01:02:46,310 --> 01:02:49,370

The reason why Mel and Tom, I've

seen a lot of their films is what

: 1723

01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:52,760

I meant about their acting, they,

they do pick quality roles in films.

: 1724

01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,820

That's the thing is they seem to get

behind projects and or directors, or

: 1725

01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,450

they do it themselves, like Braveheart

was Mel's, but they just, they're kind

: 1726

01:03:00,450 --> 01:03:04,360

of good at what they do, and so they can

be, that can be a big draw for people.

: 1727

01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,570

They like, you can't watch Braveheart

and say, well, this is a crappy film.

: 1728

01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:10,870

You know, it, it just

isn't, it's a good film.

: 1729

01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:11,560

It's crazy.

: 1730

01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:11,770

Good.

: 1731

01:03:12,090 --> 01:03:13,490

Then you watch like the lethal weapons.

: 1732

01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:16,670

You can't say this is a boring

buddy, comedy, action, drama.

: 1733

01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,450

It's actually not, it's very engaging.

: 1734

01:03:18,450 --> 01:03:20,840

It's a fun, it's a fun franchise.

: 1735

01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:21,860

Like it's just fun.

: 1736

01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,370

So, and then same Tom Cruise with

this latest Top Gun Maverick.

: 1737

01:03:25,815 --> 01:03:28,785

It made a billion plus dollars

to buy what people weren't bored.

: 1738

01:03:29,015 --> 01:03:29,695

They went to the film.

: 1739

01:03:29,695 --> 01:03:34,155

They had fun, but cause Tom is a

workhorse on the film and make sure

: 1740

01:03:34,155 --> 01:03:36,665

that he, he goes, we got, we got

to make films fun for audiences.

: 1741

01:03:36,665 --> 01:03:37,705

That was his only concern.

: 1742

01:03:37,705 --> 01:03:38,925

Is this fun for audiences?

: 1743

01:03:38,925 --> 01:03:42,935

And it was, so it's weird how these

very strong personalities that

: 1744

01:03:42,935 --> 01:03:43,905

you're talking about, you're right.

: 1745

01:03:43,905 --> 01:03:45,825

There might be an underlining.

: 1746

01:03:46,105 --> 01:03:48,855

It's probably part of the reason why

they're successful, but it's also could be

: 1747

01:03:48,855 --> 01:03:50,435

something very off putting about it too.

: 1748

01:03:50,445 --> 01:03:52,195

It's, it's a conundrum in the art world.

: 1749

01:03:52,195 --> 01:03:55,095

I think, they're not alone in this from.

: 1750

01:03:55,595 --> 01:03:57,575

Leonardo da Vinci cutting off his ear?

: 1751

01:03:57,635 --> 01:03:58,885

Katie: No, that wasn't Leonardo

: 1752

01:03:58,895 --> 01:04:00,305

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, who was, who was that?

: 1753

01:04:00,805 --> 01:04:02,045

Who was the one that cut off his ear?

: 1754

01:04:02,845 --> 01:04:03,735

Katie: Is it Picasso,

: 1755

01:04:04,055 --> 01:04:04,755

Ryan Rebalkin: Picasso, maybe?

: 1756

01:04:04,755 --> 01:04:05,165

I don't know.

: 1757

01:04:05,205 --> 01:04:05,375

I don't

: 1758

01:04:05,435 --> 01:04:06,705

Katie: Somebody's screaming at us.

: 1759

01:04:07,335 --> 01:04:09,015

Ryan Rebalkin: Either way,

somebody's screaming at me or you.

: 1760

01:04:09,205 --> 01:04:10,885

Katie: One of the painters, it was a pain.

: 1761

01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:14,020

Ryan Rebalkin: But what I'm

getting at is like eccentric

: 1762

01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:15,400

personalities is not new to this

: 1763

01:04:15,445 --> 01:04:16,055

Katie: Van Gogh.

: 1764

01:04:16,095 --> 01:04:16,515

It was Van

: 1765

01:04:16,779 --> 01:04:17,640

Ryan Rebalkin: thank oh Thank you.

: 1766

01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,160

There you go.

: 1767

01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:25,520

So eccentric personalities are not new

to people who are good at what they do

: 1768

01:04:25,805 --> 01:04:26,265

Katie: Yeah.

: 1769

01:04:26,455 --> 01:04:31,904

But yeah, I guess like I, you know,

I, I thought Mel because I knew I was

: 1770

01:04:31,904 --> 01:04:37,415

going to be as soon as I realized that

Michelle Pfeiffer loved Mac, aka Mel and

: 1771

01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:40,175

not Kurt, a couple of things on that.

: 1772

01:04:40,175 --> 01:04:42,154

I was like, Oh, really?

: 1773

01:04:42,225 --> 01:04:44,975

But I guess I could kind of see why.

: 1774

01:04:44,985 --> 01:04:48,135

And even though I'm not a fan

of Mel and Kurt's way better

: 1775

01:04:48,135 --> 01:04:50,175

looking, I was like, I get it.

: 1776

01:04:50,175 --> 01:04:55,005

I see why, you know, she feels like his

feelings are true and she can't trust.

: 1777

01:04:55,005 --> 01:04:55,065

Yeah.

: 1778

01:04:55,065 --> 01:04:55,072

Yeah.

: 1779

01:04:55,072 --> 01:04:55,080

Yeah.

: 1780

01:04:55,590 --> 01:04:58,880

Nick's intentions with her and

she falls in love with him.

: 1781

01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,220

She it's again, I think it's sort

of the, I can save you thing.

: 1782

01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:05,720

Cause she's like, I, I trust that

you're out of this business now.

: 1783

01:05:06,620 --> 01:05:07,730

And he wasn't, you know,

: 1784

01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:11,575

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, that's interesting

that Kurt to his his I liked that

: 1785

01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,005

he played a little bit against type.

: 1786

01:05:13,005 --> 01:05:15,265

He was a bit of more of a dick

in this film than Mel was.

: 1787

01:05:15,275 --> 01:05:18,654

It was interesting against type a little

bit that he was a little bit like, Kurt,

: 1788

01:05:18,665 --> 01:05:20,265

you're like, but he's doing his job.

: 1789

01:05:20,265 --> 01:05:22,755

So was he lying to Michelle?

: 1790

01:05:22,755 --> 01:05:24,165

Was he not lying to Michelle?

: 1791

01:05:24,175 --> 01:05:24,955

A bit of both

: 1792

01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,320

Katie: a bit of both, I think, don't

: 1793

01:05:26,385 --> 01:05:27,035

Ryan Rebalkin: a hot woman.

: 1794

01:05:27,045 --> 01:05:27,295

Yeah.

: 1795

01:05:27,295 --> 01:05:28,255

She's a hot girl.

: 1796

01:05:28,315 --> 01:05:31,105

So at the end of the day, he is using

her and he's also falling for her.

: 1797

01:05:31,105 --> 01:05:33,015

So he can, it can be both.

: 1798

01:05:33,025 --> 01:05:33,735

I think it was both.

: 1799

01:05:34,185 --> 01:05:36,015

And she, she caught onto that.

: 1800

01:05:36,015 --> 01:05:37,725

So she chose, even though.

: 1801

01:05:38,235 --> 01:05:40,195

Mel might have had a criminal past.

: 1802

01:05:40,505 --> 01:05:41,985

At least he'd never lied to her.

: 1803

01:05:43,930 --> 01:05:47,260

Katie: but yeah, it's interesting

because even the line, I wrote it down.

: 1804

01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,980

Kurt says to her, you're not like me,

you're honest, kind, and principled.

: 1805

01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:54,510

He says that to Michelle.

: 1806

01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:57,520

So in that, I was like, yeah,

I think it is a bit of both.

: 1807

01:05:57,529 --> 01:06:01,700

I think he does want information,

but he also really, really digs her.

: 1808

01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,250

I wouldn't go so far to say he's

in love with her, but they, their

: 1809

01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,700

sexual chemistry was way better.

: 1810

01:06:08,105 --> 01:06:11,455

Their flirtation at the booth

in the restaurant, and then

: 1811

01:06:11,455 --> 01:06:15,755

when they start kissing, it was

really, I, it was very believable.

: 1812

01:06:15,765 --> 01:06:17,395

I believed that they were into it.

: 1813

01:06:17,895 --> 01:06:18,635

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I think I

: 1814

01:06:18,635 --> 01:06:19,775

think he Was for her.

: 1815

01:06:19,775 --> 01:06:20,175

I don't know.

: 1816

01:06:20,175 --> 01:06:20,235

You

: 1817

01:06:20,245 --> 01:06:22,935

know, I think again, you can

like more than one person at

: 1818

01:06:22,935 --> 01:06:23,895

once for different reasons.

: 1819

01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:24,595

So they

: 1820

01:06:24,595 --> 01:06:24,745

were

: 1821

01:06:24,915 --> 01:06:30,095

Katie: I just mean for us as the audience

seeing that love scene was better

: 1822

01:06:30,525 --> 01:06:31,275

Ryan Rebalkin: I was a better.

: 1823

01:06:31,305 --> 01:06:33,005

It was a better on screen chemistry.

: 1824

01:06:33,045 --> 01:06:33,465

I agree.

: 1825

01:06:33,805 --> 01:06:34,745

Yeah, it wasn't awkward.

: 1826

01:06:35,375 --> 01:06:37,455

But so let's talk about

the every, every man, Kurt.

: 1827

01:06:37,455 --> 01:06:40,095

I thought he was yeah,

great, great looking.

: 1828

01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:42,475

Of course, it's very, he

had his hair slicked back.

: 1829

01:06:42,475 --> 01:06:44,325

Apparently it was

patterned after Pat Riley.

: 1830

01:06:44,325 --> 01:06:45,555

The basketball coach

: 1831

01:06:45,725 --> 01:06:49,154

Katie: Yeah, because he was maybe

going to potentially be in this, right?

: 1832

01:06:49,745 --> 01:06:50,375

Ryan Rebalkin: Was he going to be in it?

: 1833

01:06:50,485 --> 01:06:51,475

I didn't catch that part.

: 1834

01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:52,820

Katie: Yeah, I think I wrote down.

: 1835

01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:53,180

Let's see.

: 1836

01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:53,850

Let me find it.

: 1837

01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,060

Yeah, when the film went into

production, the coach of the L.

: 1838

01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:56,100

A.

: 1839

01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:59,600

Lakers at the time, Pat Riley,

was offered the role of Nick.

: 1840

01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:04,440

He turned it down and then it went to

Kurt Russell and then Russell patterned

: 1841

01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:10,140

his look was influenced by Riley and then

he was quoted as saying That Riley's look

: 1842

01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:15,450

was right for this film because he was

arrogantly confident, but not offensive.

: 1843

01:07:16,555 --> 01:07:17,075

Ryan Rebalkin: Interesting.

: 1844

01:07:17,075 --> 01:07:18,654

What?

: 1845

01:07:18,654 --> 01:07:19,425

Why would they,

: 1846

01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:21,410

Katie: I don't know who Pat Riley is.

: 1847

01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:22,360

I'm unfamiliar.

: 1848

01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:23,350

Ryan Rebalkin: a basketball coach, but

: 1849

01:07:23,350 --> 01:07:24,160

Katie: apparently I am.

: 1850

01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:24,360

I

: 1851

01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:24,779

just, I'm

: 1852

01:07:24,830 --> 01:07:26,070

Ryan Rebalkin: I know, I

know exactly who he is.

: 1853

01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:26,890

I didn't have to look him up.

: 1854

01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:28,150

Like I know what he is like.

: 1855

01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:28,880

I knew exactly what he

: 1856

01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:29,630

Katie: What he looks like.

: 1857

01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:30,400

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1858

01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:34,810

And I'm just curious why they

thought he would be in a film.

: 1859

01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,790

He still sucks his hair back to this day.

: 1860

01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,160

He's now 79.

: 1861

01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:40,180

But I'm just trying to think

of I'm looking at this.

: 1862

01:07:40,270 --> 01:07:41,330

I don't see any acting.

: 1863

01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:43,350

Why would they think he

: 1864

01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:43,680

Katie: I don't

: 1865

01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:45,290

Ryan Rebalkin: could

be, he could headline a

: 1866

01:07:45,290 --> 01:07:45,750

movie.

: 1867

01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:46,610

That's a weird.

: 1868

01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:49,970

I mean, he was, he was big in the day.

: 1869

01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:50,690

Don't get me wrong.

: 1870

01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:53,440

Like he coached the championship

stuff back in the day.

: 1871

01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,600

I just, anyways yeah,

to: 1990

: 1872

01:07:58,250 --> 01:08:00,060

He was an all star game head coach.

: 1873

01:08:00,070 --> 01:08:01,630

I mean, he, this guy's

got accolades out there.

: 1874

01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,240

Ying Yang.

: 1875

01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:02,730

This guy

: 1876

01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:03,660

Katie: Pat Riley.

: 1877

01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,230

All right.

: 1878

01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,700

Ryan Rebalkin: time NBA championship

: 1879

01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,529

Katie: Wow.

: 1880

01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:10,820

Oh, that was like Lakers were

like ruling the world at the time.

: 1881

01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:11,570

I can see that.

: 1882

01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:12,770

Ryan Rebalkin: Magic Johnson and stuff.

: 1883

01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:17,210

so um, so anyway, interesting, but

yeah, Kurt, what I love about Kurt, he

: 1884

01:08:17,210 --> 01:08:18,630

did in this film, there's a couple of.

: 1885

01:08:18,845 --> 01:08:22,325

Parts in the film, as you know, huge

Tombstone fans, one of my favorite films

: 1886

01:08:22,325 --> 01:08:25,654

of all time, Kurt Russell, of course,

stars in that, and this came out two

: 1887

01:08:25,654 --> 01:08:29,715

years before Tombstone, and there was

a couple moments in this film where

: 1888

01:08:29,715 --> 01:08:32,734

he evacted like, oh, this is the White

Arbor we're about to see, there's just

: 1889

01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:36,315

a couple little moments, the way he

yelled, uh, some of the characters,

: 1890

01:08:36,315 --> 01:08:39,595

he did the Kurt yell, which I love so

much, I love when he gets that angry,

: 1891

01:08:39,825 --> 01:08:41,774

Kurt yell just the way he does it.

: 1892

01:08:42,165 --> 01:08:45,375

And it was just like, little did

audiences know that he was gonna

: 1893

01:08:45,375 --> 01:08:49,194

perfect that kind of anger and energy

on the big screen with Tombstone.

: 1894

01:08:49,225 --> 01:08:50,694

It came out with this character.

: 1895

01:08:50,694 --> 01:08:54,434

So I don't know if this is just

the stage of his career, but I love

: 1896

01:08:54,434 --> 01:08:56,145

the the mal yell, sorry, mal yell.

: 1897

01:08:56,145 --> 01:09:00,705

The the Kurt the got me the brain,

the Kurt yelling that he does

: 1898

01:09:00,705 --> 01:09:03,184

was when he yelled at Michelle

Pfeiffer in the parking lot.

: 1899

01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:04,160

That was a good scene.

: 1900

01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,770

And then when he threw the coffee on

JT Walsh and then yells at him as well.

: 1901

01:09:07,809 --> 01:09:09,770

I just, I love it when Kirk gets angry.

: 1902

01:09:09,770 --> 01:09:11,080

It's such good acting.

: 1903

01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:11,670

That's a part of me.

: 1904

01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,580

Hopefully he never yells

: 1905

01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:14,330

a Goldie Hawn this way because he's

: 1906

01:09:14,380 --> 01:09:16,520

Katie: Well, I suppose after

so many years, they probably

: 1907

01:09:16,665 --> 01:09:19,434

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, they probably had a

couple of they've been together for 40

: 1908

01:09:19,444 --> 01:09:21,565

years plus, but I, I've assumed being a

: 1909

01:09:21,565 --> 01:09:23,555

married man myself, they probably

had a couple of headers yet.

: 1910

01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,149

Katie: I bet.

: 1911

01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:28,460

So, but oh, my God, I

dug the switchback hair.

: 1912

01:09:28,460 --> 01:09:30,460

And again, only certain

people can pull that off.

: 1913

01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:35,990

Kurt can pull off any hair,

but oh, my God, there was a

: 1914

01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,620

scene, a couple of scenes.

: 1915

01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:42,149

Where he's sitting, just talking and,

but being really playful and sly.

: 1916

01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:46,100

He's talking to Mel's character in the

booth and he's just kind of smirking and

: 1917

01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:50,149

smiling and I just being hurt that charm.

: 1918

01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:52,609

But I was like, holy

shit, you are handsome.

: 1919

01:09:52,819 --> 01:09:57,940

Like those eyes just pierced

through you, those, oh God.

: 1920

01:09:57,940 --> 01:09:58,720

He's handsome.

: 1921

01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,670

Ryan Rebalkin: he's a

leading man for a reason.

: 1922

01:10:00,670 --> 01:10:02,030

He is a leading man for a reason.

: 1923

01:10:02,210 --> 01:10:02,390

Yeah.

: 1924

01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:02,990

I love Kurt.

: 1925

01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:08,100

I've always loved Kurt Russell and

I'm so glad that we can say he just,

: 1926

01:10:08,140 --> 01:10:10,170

he has escaped, thank goodness,

: 1927

01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:11,100

Katie: Mm-hmm

: 1928

01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:12,710

Ryan Rebalkin: Have you heard of anything

: 1929

01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:13,760

about him that's controversial?

: 1930

01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,640

Katie: No, and I, I have

a good feeling about him.

: 1931

01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,059

Like I, I have, I have, I have

an intuition about things.

: 1932

01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:23,030

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, he

survived a child's career, which

: 1933

01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:23,570

is crazy.

: 1934

01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:24,040

That's the thing.

: 1935

01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,400

He's been acting since he

was a kid and he survived.

: 1936

01:10:27,805 --> 01:10:31,245

The child actor syndrome, I

haven't heard of any scandals.

: 1937

01:10:31,255 --> 01:10:33,045

He's been with the same

woman for 40 years.

: 1938

01:10:33,045 --> 01:10:34,925

I haven't heard of any stepping out.

: 1939

01:10:34,934 --> 01:10:35,455

I don't know

: 1940

01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:37,910

Katie: honestly, it wouldn't

surprise me if he does, if he

: 1941

01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,200

has stepped out just because that

would be surprising for anybody.

: 1942

01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:43,360

But yeah you know,

sometimes married couples.

: 1943

01:10:43,670 --> 01:10:45,890

Yeah, they maybe have an

agreement or something, but

: 1944

01:10:46,585 --> 01:10:46,785

Ryan Rebalkin: I

: 1945

01:10:46,785 --> 01:10:47,625

wouldn't even be surprised.

: 1946

01:10:47,625 --> 01:10:51,555

They seem like the kind of couple

I would, it's no, no judgment, but

: 1947

01:10:51,585 --> 01:10:54,065

if they're both so good looking,

they're kind of like, well, sorry.

: 1948

01:10:54,065 --> 01:10:54,855

I slept with my co star.

: 1949

01:10:54,855 --> 01:10:55,695

And he's like, well, so did I.

: 1950

01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:59,820

Katie: yeah, but I would love it if they

didn't like, that would be just like a

: 1951

01:10:59,975 --> 01:11:02,025

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm sure I,

sir, we would have heard.

: 1952

01:11:02,620 --> 01:11:03,160

Loosely

: 1953

01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:04,850

Katie: you pay, I mean, you can, when

: 1954

01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:05,840

Ryan Rebalkin: don't hear about it.

: 1955

01:11:06,059 --> 01:11:06,410

Katie: you Can

: 1956

01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:07,610

keep things quiet.

: 1957

01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,990

Ryan Rebalkin: Can you I

: 1958

01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:10,770

Katie: You make people sign things.

: 1959

01:11:10,930 --> 01:11:11,180

I don't

: 1960

01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:13,750

Ryan Rebalkin: I don't but I don't

see them doing that Hey, thanks for

: 1961

01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:16,790

schlepping with me now sign this or I'm

gonna destroy it Like I don't see them

: 1962

01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:22,059

doing that to people you'd hear something

some sort of Rumors or something that

: 1963

01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:22,380

Katie: Yeah.

: 1964

01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:23,860

Ryan Rebalkin: you just don't hear of

: 1965

01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:24,450

Katie: Yeah.

: 1966

01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:26,410

I would like to believe.

: 1967

01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:26,910

Let's go

: 1968

01:11:26,985 --> 01:11:29,505

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, you can't

believe it evidence has shown

: 1969

01:11:29,505 --> 01:11:31,105

us that you can't believe it.

: 1970

01:11:31,465 --> 01:11:34,025

They've been together for 41

: 1971

01:11:34,055 --> 01:11:34,765

years.

: 1972

01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:35,890

Katie: Yeah,

: 1973

01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:38,000

And they were both married before.

: 1974

01:11:38,215 --> 01:11:38,605

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

: 1975

01:11:39,055 --> 01:11:39,525

that's right.

: 1976

01:11:40,395 --> 01:11:40,934

that's right.

: 1977

01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:41,490

Katie: Yeah.

: 1978

01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:44,150

I, it's one of my favorite things

about them that they're not married.

: 1979

01:11:45,445 --> 01:11:48,725

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, it's funny

how Yeah, what does that mean?

: 1980

01:11:48,725 --> 01:11:49,155

They've been together.

: 1981

01:11:49,355 --> 01:11:53,665

So that's why I say they've been

together for 41 years And maybe that's

: 1982

01:11:53,675 --> 01:11:55,455

why cuz it was he was divorced amazing.

: 1983

01:11:55,455 --> 01:11:56,385

I don't want to get married again.

: 1984

01:11:56,535 --> 01:11:57,105

That's probably

: 1985

01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:57,910

Katie: Same with her.

: 1986

01:11:57,950 --> 01:12:02,100

I let, I think the, and if you

have money, which they both do

: 1987

01:12:02,975 --> 01:12:03,095

Ryan Rebalkin: oh,

: 1988

01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:05,350

Katie: a lot of times people get

married cause they want to have kids.

: 1989

01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:07,240

But if you don't have kids.

: 1990

01:12:07,885 --> 01:12:11,925

And they did have a son together, but

they're both have their own money.

: 1991

01:12:11,925 --> 01:12:13,735

There's no reason to get married.

: 1992

01:12:13,835 --> 01:12:14,385

Really.

: 1993

01:12:14,655 --> 01:12:19,325

Ryan Rebalkin: no So in December 20 as

late as December 24 years ago Russell

: 1994

01:12:19,325 --> 01:12:23,425

revealed that I'm sure he said it before

but that he and Goldie never felt the

: 1995

01:12:23,425 --> 01:12:27,155

need to marry stating that quote Marriage

certificate wasn't going to create

: 1996

01:12:27,165 --> 01:12:29,005

anything that otherwise we wouldn't have

: 1997

01:12:29,684 --> 01:12:31,015

Katie: Yeah, I fully agree.

: 1998

01:12:31,975 --> 01:12:32,625

Ryan Rebalkin: They already had it

: 1999

01:12:33,695 --> 01:12:35,575

They don't need any institution

to tell them that they

: 2000

01:12:35,575 --> 01:12:36,355

already have what they have.

: 2001

01:12:36,575 --> 01:12:36,945

I love it.

: 2002

01:12:37,065 --> 01:12:40,855

Yeah, I love them I

love I know That's good.

: 2003

01:12:40,855 --> 01:12:42,625

That's good to gush for Kurt

because I think he's great.

: 2004

01:12:42,645 --> 01:12:45,845

I've always loved Kurt Russell

You I've always loved him and I'm

: 2005

01:12:45,845 --> 01:12:50,135

like you, I, you can like freely

love him without any apologies.

: 2006

01:12:50,145 --> 01:12:51,815

That's what, it's okay

to love a celebrity.

: 2007

01:12:51,815 --> 01:12:53,975

Finally, there's, there's a lot

of celebrity messes right now.

: 2008

01:12:53,975 --> 01:12:54,875

We can go into that.

: 2009

01:12:54,885 --> 01:12:57,835

There's just people right now in

the news are like, Oh, it's like

: 2010

01:12:57,835 --> 01:13:00,385

hard to be their fans because of

all the messes they've been in.

: 2011

01:13:00,415 --> 01:13:04,245

But you can, you can freely advertise

that you love Kurt Russell and no

: 2012

01:13:04,245 --> 01:13:05,275

one's going to be really that guy.

: 2013

01:13:05,275 --> 01:13:06,545

He's such a, such a what

: 2014

01:13:07,335 --> 01:13:08,265

Katie: Same with Patrick.

: 2015

01:13:08,275 --> 01:13:10,715

And again, that's why I there.

: 2016

01:13:11,295 --> 01:13:11,655

Together.

: 2017

01:13:11,665 --> 01:13:14,434

Like they're both amazing at what they do.

: 2018

01:13:14,455 --> 01:13:16,155

They both are good humans.

: 2019

01:13:16,945 --> 01:13:17,485

Yeah.

: 2020

01:13:17,635 --> 01:13:17,934

Yeah.

: 2021

01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:19,005

Yeah.

: 2022

01:13:19,125 --> 01:13:19,495

Yeah.

: 2023

01:13:20,275 --> 01:13:24,085

I guess Michelle Pfeiffer didn't

get along though with the director,

: 2024

01:13:24,305 --> 01:13:25,355

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I read that

: 2025

01:13:25,595 --> 01:13:27,955

Katie: and he, he called her

the most difficult actress I've

: 2026

01:13:27,955 --> 01:13:32,855

ever worked with, but apparently

he's really a perfectionist.

: 2027

01:13:32,985 --> 01:13:36,755

So that might have contributed to this

and she was going through divorce.

: 2028

01:13:36,765 --> 01:13:37,265

So I don't

: 2029

01:13:37,385 --> 01:13:40,595

Ryan Rebalkin: I I think that probably

haven't been through on myself

: 2030

01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:46,610

You're not on Work Ryan, when I went

through my divorce 16 years ago.

: 2031

01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:47,720

Yeah, of course.

: 2032

01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,590

Don't judge me.

: 2033

01:13:48,650 --> 01:13:50,300

Based on that timeline, right?

: 2034

01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:50,990

So it was, yeah.

: 2035

01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,740

Who would divorce Michelle Pfeiffer.

: 2036

01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:58,200

I mean, she was a screen like again,

I mean, she's a beautiful woman now.

: 2037

01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,150

We all, we, we just all, get older.

: 2038

01:14:00,150 --> 01:14:01,950

Like the reality is, you and

I, were all gonna get older.

: 2039

01:14:01,950 --> 01:14:02,460

blah, blah, blah.

: 2040

01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:05,460

One day we will, we, we hope to be

81 day, but we're not gonna look the

: 2041

01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:06,630

same when you're 80, when you're 30.

: 2042

01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:08,040

It's just, that's just

the reality of life.

: 2043

01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:11,400

But here she is 30 years

old in this film prime.

: 2044

01:14:11,410 --> 01:14:13,240

She looks beautiful, stunning.

: 2045

01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:17,210

I love the way she acts, but it's funny

how she's still never reached the levels

: 2046

01:14:17,230 --> 01:14:21,630

of some of her female counterparts,

like Nicole Kidman or even oh boy.

: 2047

01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:23,510

The name came to me like Susan Sarandon.

: 2048

01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:26,570

There's just some other actresses

of her time that she never

: 2049

01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:28,000

quite I would say she's a list.

: 2050

01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,690

I think her biggest role was

of course, Batman returns, but

: 2051

01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:33,700

for commercial success, but.

: 2052

01:14:34,215 --> 01:14:37,475

And then she's been in big films,

but I feel like for some reason she

: 2053

01:14:37,475 --> 01:14:40,625

never reached like the Julie Roberts

stratosphere And I don't know why that is.

: 2054

01:14:40,740 --> 01:14:45,150

Katie: She is a list, but she's

not in the elite of the elite.

: 2055

01:14:45,245 --> 01:14:45,934

Ryan Rebalkin: That's what I mean.

: 2056

01:14:45,934 --> 01:14:48,325

Like she's like you see her name

on the bill You're like, oh cool.

: 2057

01:14:48,365 --> 01:14:48,815

She's in it.

: 2058

01:14:49,845 --> 01:14:52,985

But people again saw Julie Roberts

films because she's Julie Roberts

: 2059

01:14:53,005 --> 01:14:54,655

That's that she was that type of

: 2060

01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,040

Katie: Well, she does.

: 2061

01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,300

I mean, I will say, I don't think Michelle

Pfeiffer has what Julia Roberts has.

: 2062

01:14:59,340 --> 01:15:02,520

Ryan Rebalkin: So regarding Julia Roberts,

I wasn't a big fan of hers, like when

: 2063

01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,910

I was younger, for some reason I did,

I don't know what it was, but as I've

: 2064

01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:09,790

gotten older, it's, it's odd, I found,

I don't find her, you know, just like

: 2065

01:15:09,790 --> 01:15:13,090

how some actors will find, you'll find

annoying, like Mel, for example, for

: 2066

01:15:13,090 --> 01:15:15,630

some reason, I never got around, but I

got, I've come around to her for some

: 2067

01:15:15,630 --> 01:15:18,900

reason, I think as she's gotten older,

I think she's also anti plastic surgery,

: 2068

01:15:19,230 --> 01:15:21,130

is my understanding, which I appreciate.

: 2069

01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:24,540

Katie: That must be why I've

always felt a kinship with her.

: 2070

01:15:25,140 --> 01:15:26,530

I'm sure she has some stuff

: 2071

01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:27,590

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I

: 2072

01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:27,800

think

: 2073

01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,370

Katie: injectables and stuff, but

: 2074

01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,550

Ryan Rebalkin: just recently came

up with an interviews saying she

: 2075

01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:36,910

wants, she does, she wants to

age as you're supposed to age.

: 2076

01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,860

Katie: That makes me love her even more.

: 2077

01:15:39,615 --> 01:15:41,655

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I think, I

think again, 'cause the Internet's

: 2078

01:15:41,655 --> 01:15:45,515

terrible she's responding to some of

the cri like, oh, look at Julie Roberts.

: 2079

01:15:45,515 --> 01:15:45,934

She looks old.

: 2080

01:15:45,934 --> 01:15:46,145

Yeah.

: 2081

01:15:46,175 --> 01:15:47,434

I'm 57 or whatever.

: 2082

01:15:47,434 --> 01:15:48,715

It's now whatever the age is.

: 2083

01:15:48,715 --> 01:15:49,945

I think she's in her mid fifties.

: 2084

01:15:50,725 --> 01:15:56,770

Katie: Raul Julia, I did take note of

his singing in this movie I love him as

: 2085

01:15:56,770 --> 01:15:58,270

Gomez Adams and he sings in that too.

: 2086

01:15:58,365 --> 01:15:58,975

Ryan Rebalkin: that's right.

: 2087

01:15:59,350 --> 01:16:01,160

Katie: And he is a trained

: 2088

01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:02,730

singer, Raul.

: 2089

01:16:03,295 --> 01:16:03,665

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2090

01:16:03,665 --> 01:16:07,265

When he was singing on the, on the steps

there was a part of me like that wasn't

: 2091

01:16:07,265 --> 01:16:11,885

script, like that was Raul Julia just

being himself or they're like, Hey,

: 2092

01:16:11,885 --> 01:16:13,725

why don't you just sing or whatever?

: 2093

01:16:13,725 --> 01:16:16,805

Cause they knew he could sing the, they

weren't like, Oh, it just so happens.

: 2094

01:16:16,805 --> 01:16:19,425

We wrote in the script that your character

is going to sing on the stairwell.

: 2095

01:16:19,445 --> 01:16:20,315

So isn't that great?

: 2096

01:16:20,315 --> 01:16:20,745

You can sing.

: 2097

01:16:20,745 --> 01:16:23,125

It's one of those things where the

actor brings something to the table

: 2098

01:16:23,125 --> 01:16:24,395

that they incorporate into the film.

: 2099

01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:24,940

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 2100

01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,850

You mentioned Chinatown and

what, what came of that?

: 2101

01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:33,630

Apparently there was a sequel

planned called The Two Jakes for

: 2102

01:16:33,655 --> 01:16:33,915

Ryan Rebalkin: It was

: 2103

01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:35,455

Katie: they were, It was made.

: 2104

01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:35,830

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2105

01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:36,290

I've seen it.

: 2106

01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:36,420

Yeah.

: 2107

01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:36,680

Yeah.

: 2108

01:16:37,145 --> 01:16:37,525

Katie: Oh, yeah.

: 2109

01:16:37,525 --> 01:16:39,085

It was the planned sequel to Chinatown.

: 2110

01:16:39,105 --> 01:16:39,645

I haven't seen it.

: 2111

01:16:39,645 --> 01:16:40,505

It was in: 1990

: 2112

01:16:40,505 --> 01:16:41,095

Was it good?

: 2113

01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:42,760

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2114

01:16:43,385 --> 01:16:45,155

Katie: Was it a, Was it a, sequel?

: 2115

01:16:45,165 --> 01:16:45,575

Did it make

: 2116

01:16:45,710 --> 01:16:45,980

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2117

01:16:45,980 --> 01:16:46,490

It's the same.

: 2118

01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,150

Well, it's a sequel in the sense

that it's the same character.

: 2119

01:16:49,150 --> 01:16:50,690

I think I'd have to go back.

: 2120

01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,940

Craig, our, our good friend, Craig,

who's a big he's more of a, I think he

: 2121

01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:55,140

would have this answer better than me.

: 2122

01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:57,640

I don't know why I think he would

know this answer, but it's the

: 2123

01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:58,809

same character that Jack played.

: 2124

01:16:58,809 --> 01:17:00,500

He plays again, but it's

like a different case.

: 2125

01:17:00,500 --> 01:17:02,750

A different, it's like saying James Bond.

: 2126

01:17:02,750 --> 01:17:03,430

Is it a sequel?

: 2127

01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:05,380

Well, it happened after and it's

: 2128

01:17:05,380 --> 01:17:05,700

the Same

: 2129

01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:08,330

character, but it's a whole different,

it's a different case or whatever.

: 2130

01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:08,550

Yeah.

: 2131

01:17:08,915 --> 01:17:09,465

Katie: Got it.

: 2132

01:17:10,115 --> 01:17:13,805

Well, I was reading that Robert Towne

was going through legal issues with that

: 2133

01:17:13,805 --> 01:17:18,395

movie and ended up severing his friendship

with Jack Nicholson at the time.

: 2134

01:17:18,405 --> 01:17:20,845

They have since It's since reconciled, but

: 2135

01:17:21,465 --> 01:17:22,065

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, not anymore.

: 2136

01:17:22,065 --> 01:17:22,875

No, it doesn't matter.

: 2137

01:17:22,945 --> 01:17:23,475

Katie: well, yes,

: 2138

01:17:24,465 --> 01:17:25,005

Ryan Rebalkin: I just joke.

: 2139

01:17:25,005 --> 01:17:26,955

It's before there.

: 2140

01:17:27,205 --> 01:17:29,125

Oh, so Robert Towner came down from

: 2141

01:17:29,125 --> 01:17:30,665

heaven says, Jack, I forgive you.

: 2142

01:17:30,665 --> 01:17:32,075

And then we went back up to heaven.

: 2143

01:17:32,085 --> 01:17:32,265

No.

: 2144

01:17:32,265 --> 01:17:32,645

Yeah, of course.

: 2145

01:17:32,645 --> 01:17:33,555

Before his passing.

: 2146

01:17:33,555 --> 01:17:33,775

Yes.

: 2147

01:17:35,015 --> 01:17:38,755

Katie: So in the movie Tequila

Sunrise, Greg, the cousin, Max cousin,

: 2148

01:17:38,785 --> 01:17:42,665

as well as Carlos, they each have a

speech about friendship in the movie.

: 2149

01:17:43,105 --> 01:17:47,445

And apparently this was Towne's way

of reflecting his feelings of that

: 2150

01:17:47,445 --> 01:17:49,335

betrayal, I guess, in the movie.

: 2151

01:17:49,885 --> 01:17:50,055

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2152

01:17:50,055 --> 01:17:50,515

I love that.

: 2153

01:17:50,535 --> 01:17:51,455

I love that kind of stuff.

: 2154

01:17:53,225 --> 01:17:54,465

Katie: Did you like how it ended?

: 2155

01:17:56,290 --> 01:17:57,200

What do you think about it?

: 2156

01:17:57,230 --> 01:17:59,890

The fake death sort of you knew it wasn't

: 2157

01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,320

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, they, they

wanted to kill Mel's character

: 2158

01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:04,559

that, and of course, and I

: 2159

01:18:04,570 --> 01:18:04,780

get it.

: 2160

01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,900

The studios are always like,

no, but it's Mel Gibson.

: 2161

01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:08,550

This prime audiences

are going to like that.

: 2162

01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,080

If this film was filmed today

with the actress, the same stardom

: 2163

01:18:12,230 --> 01:18:14,700

of today, let's just say today's

films, he would have been dead.

: 2164

01:18:15,230 --> 01:18:16,750

I kind of liked that about today's films.

: 2165

01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:18,150

We're not afraid to kill the hero.

: 2166

01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:18,920

And I kind of liked that.

: 2167

01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,920

We're not too sure how like you

got TV characters, like what?

: 2168

01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,080

They killed Ed Stark on game of Thrones.

: 2169

01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:25,700

Like you can't believe things happen.

: 2170

01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:26,840

I like that.

: 2171

01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,070

So, but back then audiences, you know,

kind of like you don't kill Mel Gibson.

: 2172

01:18:31,380 --> 01:18:32,860

He'll do that to himself and Braveheart.

: 2173

01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:38,330

So yeah, it's so it was a little

bit Hollywood tropey, but whatever.

: 2174

01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:38,990

Yes.

: 2175

01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:40,559

You know, Kerr, you can have her.

: 2176

01:18:40,559 --> 01:18:45,240

You're, you're my friend and you guys

look, he's looking over like a, as an

: 2177

01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:47,130

angel, almost like I've got you, buddy.

: 2178

01:18:47,130 --> 01:18:48,000

He don't worry about it.

: 2179

01:18:48,045 --> 01:18:50,975

Katie: Yeah, and then he that was

his way of not having to arrest him.

: 2180

01:18:51,130 --> 01:18:53,100

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, it's

all, it's, it's all tied up.

: 2181

01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:53,370

Everything.

: 2182

01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,400

They get to be together.

: 2183

01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:55,190

No, one's arrested.

: 2184

01:18:55,190 --> 01:18:55,370

He's

: 2185

01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:55,990

alive.

: 2186

01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:57,730

Happy ending.

: 2187

01:18:58,460 --> 01:18:58,480

Yeah.

: 2188

01:18:59,015 --> 01:19:01,505

Katie: And in the water,

like he was in the water.

: 2189

01:19:01,950 --> 01:19:02,210

Ryan Rebalkin: back to

: 2190

01:19:02,210 --> 01:19:02,309

the

: 2191

01:19:02,309 --> 01:19:03,020

water.

: 2192

01:19:03,235 --> 01:19:03,625

Katie: Yeah.

: 2193

01:19:03,865 --> 01:19:04,085

Yeah.

: 2194

01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:04,450

Ryan Rebalkin: like that.

: 2195

01:19:05,145 --> 01:19:09,184

Katie: And actually, when when

Kurt kisses Michelle Pfeiffer,

: 2196

01:19:09,184 --> 01:19:12,785

when Nick kisses Joanne One time in

the wine cellar, they're wet too.

: 2197

01:19:12,815 --> 01:19:14,725

They really liked a wet love scene

: 2198

01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:18,110

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, Michelle likes to

be with Michelle as a fan of being wet.

: 2199

01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:18,670

What can I say?

: 2200

01:19:19,205 --> 01:19:21,045

Oh,

: 2201

01:19:23,965 --> 01:19:24,275

Katie: all right.

: 2202

01:19:24,275 --> 01:19:25,045

Some casting.

: 2203

01:19:25,045 --> 01:19:28,715

What if we already talked

about Pat Riley potentially.

: 2204

01:19:28,885 --> 01:19:29,465

Ryan Rebalkin: that's so weird.

: 2205

01:19:29,465 --> 01:19:29,795

I don't

: 2206

01:19:29,805 --> 01:19:30,934

I don't even understand that.

: 2207

01:19:31,285 --> 01:19:31,895

Thank goodness.

: 2208

01:19:32,035 --> 01:19:35,985

Katie: At one point they wanted real

life buddies, Nick Nolte and Jeff Bridges.

: 2209

01:19:36,775 --> 01:19:37,495

With Nolte

: 2210

01:19:38,225 --> 01:19:39,175

as the cop,

: 2211

01:19:39,715 --> 01:19:40,665

Ryan Rebalkin: No, that that's right.

: 2212

01:19:40,684 --> 01:19:41,155

That's right.

: 2213

01:19:41,455 --> 01:19:41,705

That's

: 2214

01:19:41,715 --> 01:19:42,075

perfect.

: 2215

01:19:42,155 --> 01:19:42,915

That's good casting.

: 2216

01:19:42,925 --> 01:19:48,505

That's actually Nick Nolte He's a funny

guy and he's really kind of I feel bad.

: 2217

01:19:48,505 --> 01:19:50,415

He's I feel alcohol is a hell of a

: 2218

01:19:50,415 --> 01:19:54,515

drug but in his prime as

an actor, he's a good actor

: 2219

01:19:54,795 --> 01:19:55,635

Katie: Yeah, I always liked him.

: 2220

01:19:55,855 --> 01:19:56,695

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, he's good.

: 2221

01:19:56,725 --> 01:19:59,015

And Jeff Bridges, of course, my goodness.

: 2222

01:19:59,015 --> 01:20:02,135

There's another one that you

can't say any bad about Jeff Just

: 2223

01:20:02,135 --> 01:20:03,555

a great guy and a great actor.

: 2224

01:20:03,555 --> 01:20:04,695

So that would have been

: 2225

01:20:05,405 --> 01:20:05,505

Katie: Mm

: 2226

01:20:05,625 --> 01:20:06,475

Ryan Rebalkin: funny enough

: 2227

01:20:07,485 --> 01:20:08,425

Katie: That would have been good.

: 2228

01:20:09,015 --> 01:20:10,105

Ryan Rebalkin: That would have been good.

: 2229

01:20:10,184 --> 01:20:10,525

too.

: 2230

01:20:10,525 --> 01:20:11,934

So I would love to have seen that version.

: 2231

01:20:12,215 --> 01:20:13,835

I have no issues if

that one got made Yeah,

: 2232

01:20:13,845 --> 01:20:14,205

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 2233

01:20:14,215 --> 01:20:14,635

Same.

: 2234

01:20:15,175 --> 01:20:18,595

Alec Baldwin, I guess, was the

original choice for Nick, Freesia.

: 2235

01:20:18,995 --> 01:20:19,365

Ryan Rebalkin: mm hmm.

: 2236

01:20:19,835 --> 01:20:22,515

Katie: And he auditioned

twice, I guess, but

: 2237

01:20:22,535 --> 01:20:23,665

Ryan Rebalkin: already

has his hair slick back

: 2238

01:20:23,805 --> 01:20:24,155

Katie: Yeah,

: 2239

01:20:24,405 --> 01:20:28,655

Yeah, might have been, might have been a

little too on the nose for Alec Baldwin.

: 2240

01:20:28,655 --> 01:20:29,525

Mm hmm, mm hmm, mm

: 2241

01:20:31,085 --> 01:20:34,855

Ryan Rebalkin: good actor to again now,

you know issues, you know, it's family.

: 2242

01:20:34,985 --> 01:20:35,005

Yeah.

: 2243

01:20:35,245 --> 01:20:36,975

So it was a good actor.

: 2244

01:20:36,995 --> 01:20:37,885

Very good actor

: 2245

01:20:38,405 --> 01:20:41,475

Yeah, that would have worked to you

know a lot of strong actors back

: 2246

01:20:41,475 --> 01:20:44,215

then who could have done that role

because it's not a crazy role where

: 2247

01:20:44,215 --> 01:20:45,595

it's like only one person Could be the

: 2248

01:20:45,595 --> 01:20:46,275

Joker or something.

: 2249

01:20:46,285 --> 01:20:47,615

This is like it's a

: 2250

01:20:47,615 --> 01:20:50,235

cop right so that Alec

would have fit that role.

: 2251

01:20:50,255 --> 01:20:50,455

Yeah

: 2252

01:20:50,905 --> 01:20:51,255

Katie: yeah.

: 2253

01:20:51,525 --> 01:20:55,325

Warren Beatty and Scott Glenn were

both considered for the lead roles.

: 2254

01:20:55,655 --> 01:20:57,125

It didn't say which ones, but

: 2255

01:20:57,735 --> 01:20:59,245

I've always liked Scott Glenn.

: 2256

01:20:59,475 --> 01:21:00,165

Ryan Rebalkin: would've been the cop.

: 2257

01:21:01,275 --> 01:21:02,665

Katie: He always plays the cop.

: 2258

01:21:03,035 --> 01:21:03,415

doesn't he?

: 2259

01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:04,520

Yeah,

: 2260

01:21:04,595 --> 01:21:04,895

Ryan Rebalkin: Why?

: 2261

01:21:04,985 --> 01:21:05,255

Yeah.

: 2262

01:21:05,285 --> 01:21:05,675

Good act.

: 2263

01:21:05,675 --> 01:21:06,335

Yeah, go.

: 2264

01:21:06,395 --> 01:21:06,635

Of

: 2265

01:21:06,635 --> 01:21:06,934

course.

: 2266

01:21:06,934 --> 01:21:07,475

Warren Beatty.

: 2267

01:21:07,475 --> 01:21:08,045

Good actor.

: 2268

01:21:08,105 --> 01:21:08,285

Yeah.

: 2269

01:21:08,309 --> 01:21:11,940

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 2270

01:21:12,095 --> 01:21:14,135

Ryan Rebalkin: But Scott,

Glenn's a underrated actor

: 2271

01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,460

Katie: Agreed.

: 2272

01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,620

I, I, really like him and everything he's

: 2273

01:21:17,745 --> 01:21:20,325

Ryan Rebalkin: again

of, I never see a movie

: 2274

01:21:20,595 --> 01:21:21,915

because he's in

: 2275

01:21:21,915 --> 01:21:22,545

I gotta go see that

: 2276

01:21:22,545 --> 01:21:25,575

new Scott Glenn film, however dot,

dot do when he is in the film.

: 2277

01:21:25,635 --> 01:21:26,535

Boy, what a treat.

: 2278

01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:26,865

'cause

: 2279

01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:27,370

Katie: hmm.

: 2280

01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:28,160

Yeah.

: 2281

01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:32,010

And then one last one, when Robert

Towne was reworking the screenplay

: 2282

01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:35,580

for Frantic, he was nearly finished

with the screenplay for this.

: 2283

01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,850

And the star of that is Harrison Ford.

: 2284

01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:44,280

So Towne was like, Ooh, maybe Harrison

Ford could be in Tequila Sunrise.

: 2285

01:21:44,405 --> 01:21:48,635

And I guess he even agreed to star,

but eventually had to drop out

: 2286

01:21:48,645 --> 01:21:50,345

due to some personal conflicts.

: 2287

01:21:51,195 --> 01:21:54,305

And then they flew to

Australia to meet with Mel.

: 2288

01:21:55,115 --> 01:21:56,055

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay, interesting.

: 2289

01:21:56,545 --> 01:21:58,945

Speaking of Australian metal,

did you catch his accent stuck

: 2290

01:21:58,945 --> 01:21:59,865

through quite a bit in this film?

: 2291

01:22:01,575 --> 01:22:02,205

Katie: Did it?

: 2292

01:22:02,345 --> 01:22:03,475

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah, it was like four

: 2293

01:22:03,475 --> 01:22:06,555

scenes alone when I was like,

Whoa, I heard the Mel because

: 2294

01:22:06,565 --> 01:22:07,765

I've seen Mad Max so many times.

: 2295

01:22:07,795 --> 01:22:09,635

I know his, I know his natural voice.

: 2296

01:22:09,645 --> 01:22:11,425

So it came through one time.

: 2297

01:22:11,425 --> 01:22:14,135

It came through when he was sitting

in the tractor talking to his ex wife.

: 2298

01:22:14,295 --> 01:22:16,015

It came through there loud and clear.

: 2299

01:22:16,205 --> 01:22:17,255

It's like, Hey Mel, you're American.

: 2300

01:22:17,255 --> 01:22:19,025

Remember anyways, but,

: 2301

01:22:19,115 --> 01:22:21,945

Katie: maybe just don't pay attention

because I know he's Australian.

: 2302

01:22:21,945 --> 01:22:24,495

So if it's sound, I would just

be, that'd be like, yeah, okay.

: 2303

01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:25,309

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

: 2304

01:22:25,420 --> 01:22:27,970

I mean it doesn't really matter he

could literally be from Australia

: 2305

01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:30,510

who moved to America in the film It

wouldn't matter doesn't change that.

: 2306

01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:30,950

It doesn't

: 2307

01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:31,410

yeah.

: 2308

01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:31,720

Yeah,

: 2309

01:22:32,255 --> 01:22:32,885

Katie: Good point.

: 2310

01:22:33,465 --> 01:22:35,835

I feel like we always run out of time.

: 2311

01:22:35,855 --> 01:22:38,500

We could just go on and

on and on I love it.

: 2312

01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:40,870

: 1988

: 2313

01:22:42,135 --> 01:22:44,005

about time to return to

the present day reality.

: 2314

01:22:44,005 --> 01:22:44,434

, Ryan,

: 2315

01:22:44,635 --> 01:22:45,825

you were my first guest.

: 2316

01:22:45,915 --> 01:22:47,465

You were my last guest.

: 2317

01:22:48,225 --> 01:22:48,865

Bookends.

: 2318

01:22:48,925 --> 01:22:49,335

Thank you.

: 2319

01:22:49,335 --> 01:22:50,365

I feel very honored.

: 2320

01:22:50,695 --> 01:22:52,155

No, just have season one.

: 2321

01:22:52,155 --> 01:22:52,385

You'll be

: 2322

01:22:52,395 --> 01:22:52,815

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay, whoo,

: 2323

01:22:52,845 --> 01:22:53,175

Katie: back.

: 2324

01:22:53,745 --> 01:22:54,275

You'll be back.

: 2325

01:22:54,575 --> 01:22:59,325

Any final thoughts about Tequila

Sunrise or just the season in

: 2326

01:22:59,325 --> 01:23:01,555

general of of our, our every man.

: 2327

01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,770

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, first I

just want to say, Katie, you

: 2328

01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:05,450

have done a great, great job.

: 2329

01:23:05,470 --> 01:23:08,070

I just really want to say you

have done a really, really

: 2330

01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:10,240

amazing job running the show.

: 2331

01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:11,630

You're very professional.

: 2332

01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:14,640

You've got your little

calendar invites, which I love.

: 2333

01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,430

It's, it's great.

: 2334

01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:16,540

You just love it.

: 2335

01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:18,440

And it comes through in

your, with your guests.

: 2336

01:23:18,460 --> 01:23:21,620

You've had given many guests

have come back from other shows.

: 2337

01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:25,395

So you're obviously very trusted to it in

our little community of podcasting Yeah.

: 2338

01:23:25,395 --> 01:23:27,885

I just want to say, so that's

my answer to your question.

: 2339

01:23:27,885 --> 01:23:29,085

Season one job well done.

: 2340

01:23:29,085 --> 01:23:30,465

It's all because of you.

: 2341

01:23:30,715 --> 01:23:32,235

You've done an amazing job.

: 2342

01:23:32,235 --> 01:23:36,565

So even when you've had guests, like, Hey,

you don't have to have those people back.

: 2343

01:23:36,565 --> 01:23:39,725

I'm just teasing.

: 2344

01:23:39,755 --> 01:23:41,975

No, but what I'm saying

is you are the key.

: 2345

01:23:41,975 --> 01:23:43,125

You are the key.

: 2346

01:23:43,125 --> 01:23:45,535

So, everyone give a round

of applause to Katie job.

: 2347

01:23:45,535 --> 01:23:46,045

Well done for your

: 2348

01:23:46,155 --> 01:23:47,405

Katie: Oh, thanks, Ryan.

: 2349

01:23:47,415 --> 01:23:48,195

Appreciate it.

: 2350

01:23:48,955 --> 01:23:50,455

Ryan Rebalkin: And then a

final thoughts on the film.

: 2351

01:23:50,495 --> 01:23:51,695

I'm, I'm glad I saw the film.

: 2352

01:23:51,705 --> 01:23:52,395

It's been on that.

: 2353

01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:54,210

You know, it's that film.

: 2354

01:23:54,215 --> 01:23:56,580

It's like, I can't believe I haven't seen

the Mel Gibson film from the eighties.

: 2355

01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:57,750

Like, how does that happen?

: 2356

01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:58,020

Right.

: 2357

01:23:58,350 --> 01:24:02,000

So, because I saw all of his films

back in the day, but it's done.

: 2358

01:24:02,030 --> 01:24:02,510

I've seen it.

: 2359

01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:03,260

I'm glad I've seen it.

: 2360

01:24:03,260 --> 01:24:04,280

I actually enjoyed it more.

: 2361

01:24:04,340 --> 01:24:05,300

Yeah, I should have said that.

: 2362

01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,880

I actually thought I

wasn't gonna like the film.

: 2363

01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,250

I thought it was gonna be like the

what's that one that Tom Hanks did?

: 2364

01:24:10,330 --> 01:24:11,140

With Bruce Willis?

: 2365

01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:11,925

oh, it's on,

: 2366

01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:13,490

Katie: Tom Hanks and Bruce Willis.

: 2367

01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:15,580

Ryan Rebalkin: yes, it's bonfire vanities.

: 2368

01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:16,710

Katie: Oh, I haven't seen that.

: 2369

01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:19,090

Ryan Rebalkin: I thought it was

going to be something like that.

: 2370

01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:21,610

I can't, I haven't seen that either

or Ishtar, which I have seen.

: 2371

01:24:21,820 --> 01:24:24,960

There's some films that people have

done with some big names where they've

: 2372

01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,260

just bombed where you're like, Oh,

there's a reason why, but this film

: 2373

01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:31,880

didn't bomb again because of the

main cast and they saved the film.

: 2374

01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:33,620

I'm glad I saw this film.

: 2375

01:24:33,790 --> 01:24:35,290

So I enjoyed it more than I thought.

: 2376

01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:39,270

I thought it was going to be a bore or

it was going to be not very good, but it

: 2377

01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:43,855

was very good again, this, you know, This

just shows you how good an actor can save.

: 2378

01:24:43,855 --> 01:24:44,835

Maybe a subpar script.

: 2379

01:24:45,820 --> 01:24:46,590

Katie: I agree.

: 2380

01:24:46,630 --> 01:24:50,920

I also enjoyed it more than I thought

I was going to didn't really know

: 2381

01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,300

what I was going to get myself into.

: 2382

01:24:52,730 --> 01:24:56,230

It was almost two hours and I don't

think I wasn't like looking at the time.

: 2383

01:24:56,230 --> 01:25:02,240

Like I think, you know, I was entertained

for the two hours agreed in it to your

: 2384

01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,080

point about when a movie is excellent.

: 2385

01:25:04,590 --> 01:25:09,360

There's a reason this movie

was good, but not excellent.

: 2386

01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:11,240

Ryan Rebalkin: No, not excellent.

: 2387

01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:16,309

but if you're anyway, a male purist or

a curt purist or both and you haven't

: 2388

01:25:16,309 --> 01:25:20,920

seen this, we behoove you to watch it

and then you can say you've seen it.

: 2389

01:25:21,225 --> 01:25:21,765

Katie: Mm hmm.

: 2390

01:25:21,765 --> 01:25:22,505

All right.

: 2391

01:25:22,505 --> 01:25:23,595

What are we going to look forward to?

: 2392

01:25:23,595 --> 01:25:27,535

You said on worst of the best, you're

going to do your celebrity deaths and

: 2393

01:25:27,535 --> 01:25:29,305

nd of your Google searches of: 2024

: 2394

01:25:29,305 --> 01:25:31,305

What else do you got coming

up on some of your shows

: 2395

01:25:31,820 --> 01:25:35,110

Ryan Rebalkin: we did a an episode

that has yet to be released as well

: 2396

01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:36,780

about, what was it about again?

: 2397

01:25:36,860 --> 01:25:39,870

Oh celebrities that got fired.

: 2398

01:25:40,559 --> 01:25:42,410

From their respective TV shows.

: 2399

01:25:43,215 --> 01:25:45,945

Katie: because of scandals

or whatnot, or just, ah,

: 2400

01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:47,080

Ryan Rebalkin: see why they left.

: 2401

01:25:47,434 --> 01:25:48,115

Katie: I like it.

: 2402

01:25:48,295 --> 01:25:49,205

Sneak peek.

: 2403

01:25:49,955 --> 01:25:50,434

Okay.

: 2404

01:25:51,085 --> 01:25:51,415

All right.

: 2405

01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:52,920

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, but I love I love our

: 2406

01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:54,440

year end wrap up the next.

: 2407

01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:54,800

episode.

: 2408

01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,990

I don't know yet what the next subject

will be I have yet to record the

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celebrity death because at the time

it's recording December's not over

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yet We have to wait till January

1st because people like Betty White

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Katie: Yep.

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Last

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Ryan Rebalkin: surprise

Surprises of that life.

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We're always hopeful That

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somebody might just

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Katie: was a big one too.

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What about what's the next movie?

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Fred's wick Zooks

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, next.

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Okay.

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So at the time it's recording again, cause

it's how the world of podcasting works.

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I am editing right now, love and other

drugs, which I did with the lovely Kaylee.

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You'll get to meet her.

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She's a first time guest co host on that.

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And she invited me on her show,

which was very sweet of her.

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So I'm going to be recording

with her in February.

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And you'll get to hear about

that on her show there.

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And then I am recording in just a bit.

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Less than a week at the time

it was recorded with Craig.

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We're doing a pawn sacrifice.

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That's the next one.

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Katie: A pond sacrifice?

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Ryan Rebalkin: pawn P A W N.

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I believe it's about Bobby

Fisher, the chess player.

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Katie: Oh, yes.

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Okay.

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Ah, interesting.

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Okay.

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I've not heard of that before.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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So based on it, I guess

at least a true person.

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Yeah.

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Katie: All right.

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Cool.

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All right, everybody check out Ryan's

shows is I'll have his links in the

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show notes and you know that I'm going

to ask you for reviews, everyone.

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So please, please,

please, but also remember.

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Email me retro made podcast at gmail.

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com for thoughts, comments, feedback on

this season so that I can incorporate some

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of that into the bonus episode of wrapping

up our ultimate everyman with a bow.

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So I'd love to hear from you and

until next time, be kind rewind.

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