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He was in the world, and the world was created through him.
Speaker:And yet the world did not recognize him.
Speaker:He came to his own, and his own people did not
Speaker:receive him.
Speaker:But to all who did receive him, he gave them
Speaker:the right to be children of God.
Speaker:To those who believe in his name, who were
Speaker:born not of natural descent, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of Mandev, but of
Speaker:God.
Speaker:That's John, chapter one, verses ten to 13
Speaker:g'day.
Speaker:And welcome to stories of a faithful God.
Speaker:I'm Dave Whittingham.
Speaker:What does it mean to believe in the name of
Speaker:Jesus? I mean, it's pretty clear that it's not just
Speaker:believing that there was a man 2000 years ago and his name was Jesus.
Speaker:You can believe that and not even believe that God exists.
Speaker:But what does it mean? Have you ever noticed how people can believe
Speaker:different things about the same person or event?
Speaker:Some people believe the american civil war was about slavery.
Speaker:Others believe it was about states rights.
Speaker:Some people believe that Adolf Hitler was a
Speaker:murdering racist, evil conspiracy theorist.
Speaker:That's what I believe.
Speaker:Other people believe that he was a hero who showed the way to deal with big problems.
Speaker:There are some beliefs that are personal and it doesnt really matter what you believe.
Speaker:Do you believe that a particular flower is beautiful or ugly?
Speaker:It doesnt really matter.
Speaker:Its up to you.
Speaker:Other beliefs really can be right or wrong.
Speaker:If your car breaks down while crossing a train
Speaker:line with a train hurtling towards you, if you say you dont believe theres a train there, it
Speaker:doesnt actually change.
Speaker:The fact that there is a train of your belief
Speaker:is just plain wrong and you're going to pay the consequences for getting it wrong.
Speaker:A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that what you believe about Jesus belongs in
Speaker:the first category.
Speaker:It's up to you to decide.
Speaker:And it doesn't really matter what you believe.
Speaker:You believe that he was a good teacher, fine.
Speaker:You believe that he was delusional, fine.
Speaker:You believe he only really exists in our
Speaker:hearts, fine.
Speaker:It's up to you.
Speaker:Except it's not up to us.
Speaker:We don't get to decide who Jesus really is any
Speaker:more than I get to decide who you are or you get to decide who I am.
Speaker:Jesus is who he is.
Speaker:He invites us to know him as he really is.
Speaker:He invites us to believe and trust him as he really is.
Speaker:John wrote his gospel so that we'd know and believe in the real Jesus.
Speaker:Because if you believe in the real Jesus, the one who's both God and the son of God, the one
Speaker:who's always been God but also became a man.
Speaker:If you receive him as your God and king, then
Speaker:you'll be welcomed into the family of God.
Speaker:For those of us who have received him, we need
Speaker:to keep growing in our understanding of this real Jesus, so that as the apostle Paul put it
Speaker:in Ephesians, chapter three, verses 18 and 19, we may comprehend with all the saints what is
Speaker:the length and width and height and depth of God's love, and to know Christ's love that
Speaker:surpasses knowledge, so that we may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Speaker:And so let's take a fresh look at the real Jesus as I present to you our next episode of
Speaker:stories of a faithful goddess.
Speaker:We finished our last episode with Jesus in
Speaker:Cana.
Speaker:He'd just performed his first miracle of
Speaker:turning water into wine.
Speaker:His disciples got to see the first tiny
Speaker:glimpse of his glory, and for the first time, they truly believed in him.
Speaker:John tells us that after this, Jesus, his mum and his disciples headed down to Capernaum, a
Speaker:village on the edge of the sea of Galilee.
Speaker:They're only there for a few days, though,
Speaker:because the biggest celebration of the jewish year is about to happen.
Speaker:Passover.
Speaker:If you've listened to our last episode on
Speaker:Exodus, you should have the first ever Passover, fairly fresh in your mind.
Speaker:It's the great celebration of when God saved his people from slavery in Egypt.
Speaker:It remembers when God killed the firstborn in every egyptian family, but not the israelite
Speaker:firstborns.
Speaker:For them, a lamb had died in their place and
Speaker:they smeared its blood on the door.
Speaker:When God saw the blood, he passed over that
Speaker:house and moved on to the next one.
Speaker:When we looked at it, we saw the rich imagery
Speaker:that God established to get people ready for recognizing Jesus and understanding his death
Speaker:on the cross at a much later Passover.
Speaker:That Passover's a couple of years away.
Speaker:For now, the crowds aren't cheering him as the coming king as he approaches Jerusalem, no
Speaker:one's baying for Jesus blood.
Speaker:No one's trying to trap him or betray him.
Speaker:For now, he can just go and enjoy the festival.
Speaker:I heard recently that on the night before the first episode of the hit tv show Friends
Speaker:aired, the producer took the cast out for a night on the town.
Speaker:He gave them some money and he said, go and enjoy yourselves because this is the last
Speaker:night of your lives where no one will know who you are.
Speaker:And he was right.
Speaker:That's a bit what it's like for Jesus.
Speaker:Sure, he's done the miracle up in Cana in Galilee.
Speaker:But that's a long way from Jerusalem.
Speaker:For now, he can just go to the city, go up to
Speaker:the temple, worship God and celebrate God's salvation of his people.
Speaker:When he gets to the temple, though, what he sees horrifies him.
Speaker:The temple is meant to represent God's home on earth, the place where people can come to pray
Speaker:to him, to sing his praises, to seek his forgiveness and make promises to him.
Speaker:When Jesus arrives, instead of hearing the prayers of God's people, he hears animals and
Speaker:salesmen and bargaining.
Speaker:John, chapter two, verse 14 says, in the
Speaker:temple he found people selling oxen, sheep and doves.
Speaker:And he also found the money changers sitting there.
Speaker:Of course, these people would claim that they're helping people worship God.
Speaker:The animals are for the sacrifices people want to make to God.
Speaker:The money changers would say, you don't want to use filthy roman money in God's temple.
Speaker:It's not clean in God's eyes.
Speaker:You want to use proper hebrew money.
Speaker:But of course, that's just excuses.
Speaker:They're out to make money and they're making
Speaker:it impossible for people to come and pray.
Speaker:Jesus, the son of God, is outraged.
Speaker:He's outraged for the honour and glory of his father.
Speaker:If someone visits the temple, what can they possibly think of this God?
Speaker:Are they going to think he's the glorious, powerful creator, ruler of the world, saviour
Speaker:of his people, defeater of Egypt, who's kindly provided a place on earth for you to come and
Speaker:honour him and speak with him and seek mercy from him and learn about him?
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:They're more likely to think he's just after
Speaker:your money.
Speaker:And so Jesus deals with things.
Speaker:Verse 15 says, after making a whip out of cords, he drove everyone out of the temple
Speaker:with their sheep and oxen.
Speaker:He also poured out the money changer's coins
Speaker:and overturned the tables.
Speaker:He also told those who were selling doves, get
Speaker:these things out of here.
Speaker:Stop turning my father's house into a
Speaker:marketplace.
Speaker:And then we're told in verse 17, his disciples
Speaker:remembered that it is written, zeal for your house will consume me.
Speaker:What theyre remembering is psalm 69.
Speaker:Nine.
Speaker:Psalm 69 was written by King David about a thousand years before, David had been anointed
Speaker:as king.
Speaker:Remember, the word for an anointed one is
Speaker:Messiah or Christ.
Speaker:So David is a Christ.
Speaker:So much of David's life is reflected in the ultimate Christ in Jesus.
Speaker:In psalm 69, David's being mocked and laughed at.
Speaker:He's become the object of gossip.
Speaker:And the reason is because of the way he's been
Speaker:acting in the temple.
Speaker:He went up to the temple not as a glorious
Speaker:king in all his splendor, but wearing sackcloth to show his sadness at his sin.
Speaker:Instead of feasting, he's fasting as a sign of his repentance.
Speaker:He trusts God.
Speaker:He honours God.
Speaker:He worships God.
Speaker:And that's expressed by how he comes to God's
Speaker:temple.
Speaker:He's zealous for God's temple because he's
Speaker:zealous for God and so is Jesus.
Speaker:Now, if someone clears out a market in the way
Speaker:Jesus does, people are going to start asking questions.
Speaker:John tells us that the Jews start challenging Jesus.
Speaker:They want to know where he gets his authority to just come in here and kick all the animals
Speaker:and money changes out.
Speaker:They ask in verse 18, what sign will you show
Speaker:us for doing these things? I presume they're asking for a sign of his
Speaker:authority because if the priests, God's representatives on earth, have said that this
Speaker:is all okay, you're gonna have to prove you've come from God if you want to change things up.
Speaker:Jesus answer is a little mysterious.
Speaker:All throughout John's gospel, John records how
Speaker:Jesus deliberately throws people off balance by saying things in a weird kind of way.
Speaker:It has the effect of getting rid of the people who are never really interested in the answer
Speaker:anyway and invites the more honest people to investigate further.
Speaker:So he says in verse 19, destroy this temple and I will raze it up in three days.
Speaker:The Jews are kind of stunned.
Speaker:This sounds like the ravings of a madman.
Speaker:They respond in verse 20, this temple took 46 years to build, and you'll raise it up in
Speaker:three days.
Speaker:Just a super brief history of the temple.
Speaker:King Solomon, son of King David, had built the first temple on the Temple Mount, in
Speaker:Jerusalem, on Mount Zion.
Speaker:It was pretty spectacular.
Speaker:The wealthy has been able to pour into.
Speaker:It is a sign of the blessings God has given
Speaker:them.
Speaker:But when Judah was conquered by the
Speaker:Babylonians in 587 BC, the Babylonians tore down the temple and took most of the
Speaker:population into exile.
Speaker:God had removed the blessings because of their
Speaker:sin.
Speaker:70 years later, God kindly brought them back
Speaker:and they built a new temple.
Speaker:But it was a temple on a budget.
Speaker:When they laid the foundations, all the younger men cried because they were so happy
Speaker:that they were getting a temple.
Speaker:But all the old men cried because they could
Speaker:see how pathetic it was compared to the original.
Speaker:If the first temple showed God's blessing, the second showed how far they'd fallen from that
Speaker:blessing, all because of their sin.
Speaker:Fast forward 500 years and King Herod is
Speaker:ruling the area as a kind of puppet king for Rome.
Speaker:He's pretty rich and powerful.
Speaker:He wants to keep the population happy.
Speaker:So he says, I'm going to do the ultimate renovation and create the most wonderful,
Speaker:spectacular temple you can imagine.
Speaker:He turned the whole complex into the largest
Speaker:religious site in the world.
Speaker:As you can imagine, this made the Jews pretty
Speaker:proud at a time when they didn't have much to be proud about.
Speaker:Now Jesus is saying, though, destroy this temple and I'll raise it up in three days.
Speaker:Except he's not talking about the massive complex they're standing in.
Speaker:He's actually talking about something much greater.
Speaker:The temple represents where God lives on earth.
Speaker:And John the Baptist has already said, back in chapter one, where God's living, he said he
Speaker:saw God's holy spirit come down and stay on Jesus.
Speaker:The temple only represents God's home on earth.
Speaker:Jesus actually is that home.
Speaker:He's the real deal in verse 21, we're told.
Speaker:But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Speaker:So when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this,
Speaker:and they believed the scripture and the statement Jesus had made.
Speaker:It's kind of nice that John, who's one of the disciples, is saying, yeah, we didn't really
Speaker:get it at the time either.
Speaker:We only really understood what he meant when
Speaker:he was raised from the dead.
Speaker:Jesus knows that the jews will destroy the
Speaker:true temple, his body, by sending him to the cross.
Speaker:And on the third day, he's going to be raised to life.
Speaker:This is the great sign that'll show his authority to clear the temple.
Speaker:How will you know that he has the right to do that?
Speaker:Because he's the conqueror of death, the giver of life, the saviour of the world.
Speaker:And there's only one person who can claim those titles.
Speaker:God.
Speaker:Jesus resurrection will prove once and for all
Speaker:who he is and what authority he has.
Speaker:John says that Christ's resurrection made the
Speaker:disciples believe the scriptures, meaning the Old Testament.
Speaker:I'm not sure.
Speaker:There's a specific passage about rebuilding
Speaker:the temple in three days.
Speaker:But there are passages that refer to the
Speaker:resurrection of the Christ.
Speaker:For example, psalm 16 nine says, therefore, my
Speaker:heart is glad and my whole being rejoices.
Speaker:My body also rests securely.
Speaker:For you will not abandon me to Sheol.
Speaker:That's the place where the dead go.
Speaker:You will not abandon me to Sheol.
Speaker:You will not allow your faithful one to see
Speaker:decay at the moment.
Speaker:In John chapter two, the disciples belief in
Speaker:Jesus is real.
Speaker:It just isn't fully formed yet.
Speaker:It hasn't sort of come together.
Speaker:It needs more.
Speaker:They don't fully understand who he really is yet.
Speaker:That's possibly why John is so sympathetic to us and doesn't just say, hey, believe in
Speaker:Jesus.
Speaker:He gives us the time and space to follow and
Speaker:explore and grow in our understanding, just like Jesus gave him.
Speaker:Well, Jesus seems to get away with what he's done in the temple.
Speaker:He hangs around in Jerusalem for the whole celebration, which is seven days.
Speaker:And John implies that while he's there, he's doing miracles or signs.
Speaker:Notice that John doesn't call them miracles.
Speaker:He uses signs because signs give you the
Speaker:information you need, where you are, what you're looking at, who you're talking to.
Speaker:These miracles, these signs show us who Jesus really is.
Speaker:The people in the temple asked Jesus for a sign to prove his authority.
Speaker:But he refused to give them one.
Speaker:Then, at that time, he isn't a show pony or
Speaker:magician who just does tricks when people demand them.
Speaker:Especially people who don't really care about the truth.
Speaker:But he does do signs at other times.
Speaker:Verse 23 says, while he was in Jerusalem
Speaker:during the Passover festival.
Speaker:Many believed in his name when they saw the
Speaker:signs he was doing.
Speaker:That sounds really positive, doesn't it?
Speaker:After all, belief in Jesus name is what we're after.
Speaker:However, belief doesn't mean full understanding.
Speaker:It doesn't mean that you're really good.
Speaker:In fact, we're not good enough for God.
Speaker:We need to believe in Jesus to get us into God's family.
Speaker:He does for us what we can't.
Speaker:And so while John tells us that lots of people
Speaker:believe in Jesus.
Speaker:He then goes on to say in verse 24, Jesus,
Speaker:however, would not entrust himself to them.
Speaker:Since he knew them all.
Speaker:And because he did not need anyone to testify about man.
Speaker:For he himself knew what was in man.
Speaker:Which sets the scene for the arrival of a man.
Speaker:This man embodies everything that those last few verses talk about.
Speaker:He seems to believe, but he is hesitant.
Speaker:And Jesus is wise not to entrust himself to
Speaker:him.
Speaker:Chapter three, verse one says there was a man
Speaker:from the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
Speaker:PhARisees are one group of religious leaders.
Speaker:They're one of the groups that sent people to
Speaker:John the Baptist to find out who he is.
Speaker:If you're an avid BIblE reader, you'll
Speaker:probably have pretty negative views of pharisees.
Speaker:But just suspend that for a moment.
Speaker:Sure, lots of pharisees turn against jesus,
Speaker:but not all of them you have to take them as you find them in each passage.
Speaker:In this passage, NiCodemus comes at night.
Speaker:In a sense that's negative, right?
Speaker:The night is the time when evil deeds are done, when sin is covered by a cloak of
Speaker:darkness.
Speaker:And yet, right at the beginning of the GoSpel,
Speaker:Jesus is called the light.
Speaker:John says that the light shines in the
Speaker:darkness.
Speaker:So maybe this is really good.
Speaker:Nicodemus is coming from the darkness into the light.
Speaker:It certainly starts very positively.
Speaker:Nicodemus says in verse two, Rabbi, we know
Speaker:that you are a teacher who's come from God, for no one could perform these signs you do
Speaker:unless God were with him.
Speaker:Jesus doesn't respond with, oh, I'm so glad
Speaker:that people are starting to get it.
Speaker:What a relief.
Speaker:No, Jesus knows what's in the heart of man.
Speaker:He knows to look deeper than the words.
Speaker:And so he uses the same strategy we'll see time and time again, saying something
Speaker:mysterious to throw people off balance, to draw the genuine people in, to keep looking
Speaker:for answers.
Speaker:The Jews in the temple didn't look much
Speaker:further.
Speaker:Let's see how Nicodemus goes.
Speaker:Jesus says in verse three, truly, I tell you, unless someone is born again, he cannot see
Speaker:the kingdom of God.
Speaker:A bit of a conversation jump there.
Speaker:The kingdom of God will be a pretty familiar idea for Nicodemus.
Speaker:After all, the Jews are waiting for the anointed king to come and establish this
Speaker:kingdom.
Speaker:The Old Testament's prepared them for that.
Speaker:But born again, that, that's a new one.
Speaker:There's no Old Testament passage that uses
Speaker:that specific phrase.
Speaker:And besides, the Pharisees believe they'll be
Speaker:getting into the kingdom of God by their strict obedience to the law, by their good
Speaker:behavior, not by some abstract new birth.
Speaker:So he replies in verse four, how can anyone be
Speaker:born when he's old? Can he enter his mother's womb a second time
Speaker:and be born? I could be wrong, but I don't think Nicodemus
Speaker:is saying that.
Speaker:That's actually what Jesus is suggesting.
Speaker:I think it's his way of saying, what on earth do you mean?
Speaker:A bit like the guys at the temple saying, what do you mean?
Speaker:You're going to rebuild the temple in three days?
Speaker:So Jesus doubles down in verse five.
Speaker:He says, truly, I tell you, unless someone is
Speaker:born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Speaker:What's this water and spirit birth? Generally, when Jesus says something strange,
Speaker:he's usually picking up on old Testament references.
Speaker:The book of Ezekiel was written when the people of God had utterly failed the northern
Speaker:kingdom of Israel had been wiped out.
Speaker:The southern kingdom of Judah was in exile in
Speaker:Babylon.
Speaker:The temple of Jerusalem was destroyed.
Speaker:God had kicked his people out of the land because of their sin.
Speaker:Over the roughly thousand years between when he had given them his perfect lore at Mount
Speaker:Sinai and their exile, they'd proven time and time again that sinful humans find it
Speaker:impossible to obey God properly.
Speaker:Our selfishness and evil is just too much for
Speaker:us to overcome.
Speaker:And yet, God gives hope.
Speaker:The faithful God, who made his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to bless the whole
Speaker:world through them, he hasn't given up.
Speaker:He never expected people to succeed because of
Speaker:their own efforts.
Speaker:The basis of his promise is his faithfulness.
Speaker:And so in Ezekiel, he gives hope.
Speaker:That doesnt depend on them, but on him.
Speaker:Listen to what he says hell do, and how he talks about water and spirit.
Speaker:This is Ezekiel, chapter 36, verses 25 27.
Speaker:God says, I will also sprinkle clean water on
Speaker:you, and you will be clean.
Speaker:I will cleanse you from all your impurities
Speaker:and all your idols.
Speaker:I will give you a new heart and put a new
Speaker:spirit within you.
Speaker:I will remove your heart of stone and give you
Speaker:a heart of flesh.
Speaker:I will place my spirit within you and cause
Speaker:you to follow my statutes and carefully observe my ordinances.
Speaker:Do you hear the emphasis in that passage? God will clean you with water.
Speaker:God will create a new spirit in you.
Speaker:God will give you a new heart.
Speaker:God will put his spirit in you.
Speaker:In the end, the people of God will be good and
Speaker:godly.
Speaker:Not because they've transformed themselves by
Speaker:a program of self improvement like the Pharisees are trying to do, but by the work of
Speaker:God to make them into new people.
Speaker:You could almost say he's going to make them
Speaker:be born again.
Speaker:The Pharisees haven't understood these things
Speaker:at all.
Speaker:They're still stuck on we must try harder,
Speaker:rather than we must stop having faith in ourselves and start having faith in the
Speaker:faithful God.
Speaker:So Nicodemus asks in verse nine, how can these
Speaker:things be? He's completely confused.
Speaker:And Jesus replies, are you a teacher of Israel and don't know these things?
Speaker:In other words, you're one of the guys who, every Sabbath in the synagogue, you're opening
Speaker:the Bible, reading it out, explaining it to the people of Israel.
Speaker:But you haven't got a clue what it's trying to teach you.
Speaker:Jesus, on the other hand, isn't just another teacher with slightly different ideas.
Speaker:He's God the Son, come from heaven.
Speaker:He has come with authority and understanding.
Speaker:And the ability to piece it all together.
Speaker:So he says in verse eleven, truly, I tell you,
Speaker:we speak what we know and we testify to what we have seen.
Speaker:But you do not accept our testimony.
Speaker:If I have told you about earthly things and
Speaker:you dont believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
Speaker:No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the son of man.
Speaker:That's Jesus way of speaking about himself.
Speaker:It's another Old Testament reference from
Speaker:Daniel, chapter seven that we'll have to get into another time.
Speaker:But do you see Nicodemus's problem? Not only has he understood what God said in
Speaker:the Old Testament, he isn't understanding what God, the son's saying to his face right now.
Speaker:The person who can give him new birth can give him a new heart, who can wash his soul clean
Speaker:with water, is standing right there in front of him.
Speaker:That's why John told us at the beginning that whoever believes in Jesus is given the right
Speaker:to become children of God.
Speaker:It's like we're born again into a new family
Speaker:through Jesus.
Speaker:And Jesus tries to hammer home this need to
Speaker:trust and believe in him.
Speaker:He says in verse 14, just as Moses lifted up
Speaker:the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of man must be lifted up so that everyone who
Speaker:believes in him may have eternal life.
Speaker:Another Old Testament reference.
Speaker:Someone tried to tell my daughter the other day that we don't need the Old Testament, just
Speaker:the New.
Speaker:She said, how do I explain that that's not
Speaker:right? I said, the Old Testament is referenced on
Speaker:every single page of the New Testament.
Speaker:So if you're anti old Testament, you're also
Speaker:anti New Testament.
Speaker:The Old gives us the framework to understand
Speaker:the new.
Speaker:So back in Exodus, after God had rescued the
Speaker:Israelites from Egypt, time and time again, they turned against him.
Speaker:One of those times, as punishment for turning against the God of life, he sent death in the
Speaker:form of a plague of snakes.
Speaker:People were dropping like flies.
Speaker:Moses prayed and asked God to forgive them, and God did.
Speaker:Not because they deserved it, but because of his mercy.
Speaker:He told Moses to make a bronze snake and lift it high on a pole, and anyone who looked at
Speaker:the snake would live.
Speaker:They're not saved by the power of the snake
Speaker:statue.
Speaker:They're saved by believing, by trusting God
Speaker:and his solution.
Speaker:If you believe God's word that by looking at
Speaker:the snake you'll live, you're going to look at the snake and you'll survive.
Speaker:If you keep disbelieving God and so don't look, you'll die.
Speaker:Belief is the key, which is what makes it the perfect example for understanding Jesus, who's
Speaker:going to be lifted up on the cross.
Speaker:Let me read again from verse 14.
Speaker:Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the son of man must be lifted
Speaker:up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
Speaker:For God loved the world.
Speaker:In this way he gave his one and only son, so
Speaker:that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but have eternal life.
Speaker:What astounding love that God would offer a gift of life to sinful people like you and me.
Speaker:People who only deserve death for rejecting the God of life.
Speaker:And that gift isnt free for God.
Speaker:Hes the God of justice and fairness.
Speaker:And so, to meet the demands of justice that requires a death in order to give life to his
Speaker:enemies, he offers his one and only son, who he loves, who hes loved for all eternity, who
Speaker:hes one with as one God.
Speaker:He gives this son to take our death.
Speaker:The Pharisees had it so wrong, as do many people today.
Speaker:We can't undo our evil or do enough good to earn our way into God's kingdom to get eternal
Speaker:life.
Speaker:But we can believe in the solution he's
Speaker:offered.
Speaker:In the greatest act of love in the universe,
Speaker:we can believe in his son.
Speaker:So Jesus says in verse 17.
Speaker:For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
Speaker:through him.
Speaker:Anyone who believes in him is not condemned.
Speaker:But anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed.
Speaker:In the name of the one and only son of God.
Speaker:It's a stark warning, isn't it?
Speaker:This is a promise of hope and joy and life.
Speaker:Jesus is the lifeboat to safety, the lifeboat
Speaker:that'll take you from the sinking ship to eternal life.
Speaker:If you don't trust that lifeboat, though, if you keep trying to fix things by shifting deck
Speaker:chairs on the Titanic, you'll go down with the ship.
Speaker:Unfortunately, that's what lots of people choose.
Speaker:Verse 19 says, this is the judgment.
Speaker:The light has come into the world, and people
Speaker:love darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
Speaker:For everyone who does evil hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be
Speaker:exposed.
Speaker:But anyone who lives by the truth comes to
Speaker:that light.
Speaker:So that his works may be shown to be
Speaker:accomplished.
Speaker:By who?
Speaker:By themselves, they have achieved all these good works.
Speaker:No. So that his works may be shown to be accomplished by Goddesse.
Speaker:After this, Jesus leaves Jerusalem and takes his disciples out into the judean countryside.
Speaker:Remember Judea in the south, around Jerusalem, Galilee, in the north, he spends some time
Speaker:with them and also does some baptising.
Speaker:Meanwhile, John the Baptist is still around
Speaker:and also still baptizing, and his disciples come and have a bit of a grumble about Jesus.
Speaker:They come to John in verse 26 and say, rabbi, the one you testified about and who is with
Speaker:you across the Jordan is baptizing and everyone's going to him.
Speaker:Do you see their problem? They think this is pretty disrespectful.
Speaker:Surely John, who came first, should be the one in the spotlight.
Speaker:But even though they acknowledge that John testified about Jesus, it's like they didn't
Speaker:actually listen to what he said.
Speaker:They didn't understand that Jesus is the much
Speaker:more important one.
Speaker:So John tries to explain it again, this time
Speaker:with wedding imagery.
Speaker:At a wedding, if the groom's friend arrives
Speaker:first, that doesn't mean he can jump in and marry the bride.
Speaker:It isn't about who arrives in what order, it's about who's the most important.
Speaker:So he tells them in verse 27, no one can receive anything unless it has been given to
Speaker:him from heaven.
Speaker:You yourselves can testify that I said I am
Speaker:not the messiah, but I've been sent ahead of him.
Speaker:He who has the bride is the groom, but the groom's friend who stands by and listens for
Speaker:him, rejoices greatly at the groom's voice.
Speaker:So this joy of mine is complete.
Speaker:He must increase, but I must decrease again.
Speaker:Their problem is a failure to understand who
Speaker:Jesus is.
Speaker:Even today, lots of people like Jesus.
Speaker:Lots of people talk about Jesus.
Speaker:But if they've got the wrong understanding of
Speaker:who Jesus actually is, if he's a Jesus of their imagination and not the true Jesus, then
Speaker:they're not actually believing in Jesus.
Speaker:If they'll only receive Jesus on their terms,
Speaker:not his, they're not actually receiving Jesus.
Speaker:John again tries to reiterate how much more
Speaker:important Jesus is, that he's come from heaven, from goddess, that he's the one who's
Speaker:going to give people the Holy spirit and eternal life.
Speaker:He wants people to understand how wonderful Jesus is, but also how dangerous it is to
Speaker:reject Jesus, to not receive him or believe in him.
Speaker:I'll read from verse 30.
Speaker:He says, the one who comes from above is above
Speaker:all.
Speaker:The one who is from the earth is earthly and
Speaker:speaks in earthly terms.
Speaker:The one who comes from heaven is above all.
Speaker:He testifies to what he has seen and heard, and yet no one accepts his testimony.
Speaker:The one who has accepted his testimony has affirmed that God is true.
Speaker:For the one whom God sends speaks God's words, since he gives the spirit without measure.
Speaker:The father loves the Son and has given all things into his hands.
Speaker:The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who rejects the Son will not
Speaker:see life.
Speaker:Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
Speaker:If you ever find someone telling you that you can know God without Jesus, or you can do
Speaker:enough good things to earn your way into heaven, or that Jesus is great and you need
Speaker:someone else as well, run a mile.
Speaker:John could not be more clear.
Speaker:The only way to have eternal life is by believing, trusting in Jesus.
Speaker:This Jesus, the Jesus who came from heaven, the Jesus who gives the Holy Spirit, the real
Speaker:Jesus, anything else, anyone else, leaves you in your sin and under the wrath of God.
Speaker:If you do have that belief, that faith in the true Jesus, you have eternal life.
Speaker:Not will have, not might have, not could have you have it.
Speaker:Of course, true belief isn't passive belief.
Speaker:It's belief in the Jesus who's the Christ, the
Speaker:king, the one you want to listen to and obey.
Speaker:But the amount of life he gives doesnt go up
Speaker:and down based on your obedience.
Speaker:Its a free gift to everyone who comes to him,
Speaker:recognises their sin and need for him, and says, I cant save myself.
Speaker:I place myself in your care.
Speaker:And you know what?
Speaker:No matter what youve done, no matter what youve been involved in, no matter what youve
Speaker:been in your old life, it doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker:Jesus gives you a new life.
Speaker:You're born again as a child of God and you
Speaker:have eternal life with him.
Speaker:Jesus fame is starting to spread, so much so
Speaker:that his disciples are outnumbering johns.
Speaker:He isn't the unnoticed guy who can just travel
Speaker:up to Jerusalem anymore.
Speaker:Jesus learns that the Pharisees have heard
Speaker:about this.
Speaker:He doesn't want to spend too much time bogged
Speaker:down by them, though.
Speaker:So he decides to leave Judea and head back up
Speaker:north to Galilee.
Speaker:That takes him through Samaria, which is the
Speaker:most common route.
Speaker:It's the easiest route, but it can be super
Speaker:awkward as well.
Speaker:There's a lot of animosity between Jews and
Speaker:Samaritans.
Speaker:Sometimes it's only low level, sometimes it
Speaker:breaks out into violence and murder.
Speaker:To find out the origins of the Samaritans, you
Speaker:have to read two kings, chapter 17, that describes the fall of the northern kingdom of
Speaker:Israel.
Speaker:Samaria was its capital, and the northern
Speaker:kingdom had persisted despite heaps of gracious warnings to worship idols instead of
Speaker:God.
Speaker:So God sent the assyrian empire to conquer
Speaker:them.
Speaker:The Assyrians took the Israelites and settled
Speaker:them in different parts of the empire.
Speaker:Then they took people from lots of other parts
Speaker:and settled them in the land that had been Israel.
Speaker:They became known as the Samaritans.
Speaker:They were a melting pot of people, and they
Speaker:had a melting pot of religions.
Speaker:They mixed the God of Israel in with all their
Speaker:other gods, and it was a disaster.
Speaker:You just can't do that.
Speaker:Anyway, this is what we read from verse four.
Speaker:He Jesus had to travel through Samaria.
Speaker:So he came to a town of Samaria called Sychar, near the property that Jacob had given his son
Speaker:Joseph.
Speaker:Jacob's well was there, and Jesus, worn out
Speaker:from his journey, sat down at the well.
Speaker:It was about noon, so it's the middle of the
Speaker:day.
Speaker:It's hot.
Speaker:Jesus has been walking all morning, and because he's human, he's tired.
Speaker:This is something he never would have experienced in all eternity.
Speaker:But having become human, he gets worn out.
Speaker:He sits down by Jacob's well, and a woman just
Speaker:happens to arrive to draw water.
Speaker:Jesus is alone.
Speaker:The disciples have gone into the town to get some supplies, and he does something which,
Speaker:without the cultural context, seems perfectly normal to us.
Speaker:He asks the woman for a drink.
Speaker:He's been working hard.
Speaker:There obviously aren't any taps.
Speaker:She's got the tools for drawing water.
Speaker:Why wouldn't he ask her? It's because of the anger we talked about
Speaker:before between the Jews and the Samaritans.
Speaker:You hear it in a shocked reply.
Speaker:Verse nine says, how is it that you, a jew, asks for a drink from me, a samaritan woman.
Speaker:She asked him for, Jews do not associate with Samaritans.
Speaker:That's John spelling it out for us, in case we haven't quite got it yet.
Speaker:How great is it then that Jesus is willing to cross the cultural boundary?
Speaker:It's another reminder that no matter who you are, where you've come from, what you've done,
Speaker:Jesus is keen to speak to you.
Speaker:And so, yet again, Jesus snaps up the
Speaker:teachable moment.
Speaker:Again, he throws the person off balance with a
Speaker:mysterious answer.
Speaker:Again, there's a chance for this person to
Speaker:learn something amazing if they're willing to engage in verse ten, Jesus says, if you knew
Speaker:the gift of God and who is saying to you, give me a drink, you would ask him and he would
Speaker:give you living water.
Speaker:We've already seen how the identity of Jesus
Speaker:is at the heart of everything.
Speaker:So, yes, if this woman had any idea who's
Speaker:speaking to her, it would change everything.
Speaker:For now, though, he's a complete stranger from
Speaker:an enemy nation, rambling about living water.
Speaker:Like Nicodemus, she runs for the literal
Speaker:meaning rather than some big spiritual idea.
Speaker:Sir, she says in verse eleven, you don't even
Speaker:have a bucket and the well is deep.
Speaker:So where do you get this living water?
Speaker:You aren't greater than our father Jacob, are you?
Speaker:He gave us this well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and livestock.
Speaker:Now, Jesus wasn't actually talking about Jacob at all, but yes, he is greater than Jacob.
Speaker:In fact, it illustrates the point perfectly.
Speaker:Jacob dug this well, and it gives water.
Speaker:But Jesus, who's greater, has greater water to give than this whelk ever can.
Speaker:So he says in verse 13, everyone who drinks from this water will get thirsty again.
Speaker:But whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again.
Speaker:In fact, the water I will give him will become a well of water springing up in him for
Speaker:eternal life.
Speaker:This is an astounding offer.
Speaker:Eternal life.
Speaker:I mean, how often do you drink water or
Speaker:something with water in it in a day? How long is it after you've drunk that you get
Speaker:thirsty again? We need water to live, but it can never
Speaker:satisfy for more than a little while.
Speaker:You have to keep having more and more and
Speaker:more, and even then it only delays our inevitable death.
Speaker:Jesus is offering something much more powerful, much more satisfying, much more
Speaker:sustaining.
Speaker:It's something that, again, has an Old
Speaker:Testament background.
Speaker:In Jeremiah, when God is describing the sin of
Speaker:his people, he reflects on the sadness and foolishness of it, how people choose curse
Speaker:over blessing, pain over joy, death over life.
Speaker:In Jeremiah 213, he says, for my people have
Speaker:committed a double evil.
Speaker:They have abandoned me, the fountain of living
Speaker:water, and dug cisterns for themselves, cracked cisterns that cannot hold water.
Speaker:People sin because we think we know better than goddess.
Speaker:We think our way is better.
Speaker:We think we'll be more free and fulfilled.
Speaker:We think that we're the ones who can give ourselves real life.
Speaker:But really, we're abandoning the cool, refreshing fountain of living water.
Speaker:We're like desert dwellers sucking on the dry rocks of the empty hole we've spent our whole
Speaker:lives digging.
Speaker:Once again, though, theres hope.
Speaker:Not hope from us and our efforts, but from God.
Speaker:In Zechariah, God describes the day of final victory over his enemies.
Speaker:In Zechariah, chapter 14, verses eight and nine, it says, on that day, living water will
Speaker:flow out from Jerusalem, half of it towards the eastern Sea and the other half toward the
Speaker:western sea in summer and winter alike.
Speaker:On that day, the Lord will become king over
Speaker:the whole earth.
Speaker:The Lord alone and his name alone.
Speaker:What a tremendous eternal hope.
Speaker:And now this king's arrived, sitting at this
Speaker:well in the heat of the day, announcing that this living water has arrived.
Speaker:Sir, the woman says to him in verse 15, give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and
Speaker:come here to draw water.
Speaker:You still kind of feel that she doesn't quite
Speaker:get it.
Speaker:So Jesus changes direction.
Speaker:He says in verse 16, go call your husband and come back here.
Speaker:That feels like a really serious gear shift in the conversation.
Speaker:I don't have a husband.
Speaker:She answered, you have correctly said, I don't
Speaker:have a husband.
Speaker:Jesus said, for you've had five husbands, and
Speaker:the man you now have is not your husband.
Speaker:What you have said is true.
Speaker:There's a couple of things going on in this interaction.
Speaker:One, this isn't the sort of woman that religious leaders of the day would normally
Speaker:associate with.
Speaker:She's got a past with a capital p. Even if her
Speaker:five marriages were all legitimate, her current arrangement doesn't fit with God's
Speaker:plans for marriage.
Speaker:Jesus has just announced his awareness of her
Speaker:sin and notice that it doesn't make a scrap of difference in how he relates to her.
Speaker:He's crossed cultural boundaries.
Speaker:He crosses the boundary between sinful people
Speaker:and God because he wants her to have eternal life.
Speaker:Don't ever think that your past will stop Jesus from wanting to have anything to do with
Speaker:you.
Speaker:He came into the world precisely because he
Speaker:loves saving sinners.
Speaker:Even more than that, though, this interaction
Speaker:actually gets her closer to being saved.
Speaker:What's just happened is similar to when Jesus
Speaker:spoke to Nathaniel back in chapter one.
Speaker:In our last episode, he showed his miraculous
Speaker:knowledge about Nathaniel.
Speaker:A reader, just to refresh our memories,
Speaker:chapter one, verse 47, says, then Jesus saw Nathaniel coming toward him and said about
Speaker:him, here truly is an israelite in whom there is no deceit.
Speaker:How do you know me? Nathaniel asked.
Speaker:Before Philip called you when you were under the fig tree, I saw you, Jesus answered.
Speaker:Rabbi Nathanael replied, you are the son of God.
Speaker:You are the king of Israel.
Speaker:Jesus miraculous insight drives Nathaniel to
Speaker:recognize something of Jesus identity, and it's the same for this woman, though she
Speaker:doesn't go quite as far.
Speaker:She says in verse 19, sir, I see that you are
Speaker:a prophet.
Speaker:Given this understanding, she raises a major
Speaker:source of contention between the Jews and Samaritans.
Speaker:She says, our ancestors worshipped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place to
Speaker:worship is in Jerusalem.
Speaker:This is actually a really big deal in
Speaker:Deuteronomy chapter twelve, verse five.
Speaker:Moses had told the people to worship God at
Speaker:the place where he puts his name.
Speaker:For various reasons.
Speaker:The Jews believe that's Mount Zion, where Jerusalem is, and the Samaritans believe it's
Speaker:a place called Mount Gerizim.
Speaker:This is about obedience to God, and in the
Speaker:past, it's turned pretty ugly.
Speaker:A jewish king had destroyed the samaritan
Speaker:temple on Mount Gerizim, though the Samaritans kept making sacrifices there.
Speaker:A while later, some Samaritans had snuck into the Jerusalem temple and thrown animal bones
Speaker:in there to make it ceremonially unclean.
Speaker:It couldn't be used unless it was ritually
Speaker:cleansed.
Speaker:Essentially, this woman's cutting to the heart
Speaker:of the matter and asking, what's the right way to worship God?
Speaker:Jesus replies with some groundbreaking news.
Speaker:He tells her that her question is becoming
Speaker:irrelevant.
Speaker:Something much better is about to happen, a
Speaker:time when the mountains won't matter, he says in verse 21, believe me, woman, an hour is
Speaker:coming when you will worship the Father, neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
Speaker:You Samaritans worship what you do not know.
Speaker:We worship what we do know, because salvation
Speaker:is from the Jews.
Speaker:But an hour is coming and is now here, when
Speaker:the true worshippers will worship the father in spirit and in truth.
Speaker:Yes, the father wants such people to worship him.
Speaker:God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.
Speaker:What does that mean, in spirit and truth? Back when Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about
Speaker:being born again, he'd said, whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of
Speaker:the spirit is spirit.
Speaker:In other words, you've had your flesh birth.
Speaker:You need your new birth into a spiritual family, into God's family.
Speaker:Just like Jesus said to this woman, God is spirit.
Speaker:So how do you get that spirit birth? How do you worship God in spirit?
Speaker:Surely by having God's spirit live in you, guiding you, directing you, giving you life.
Speaker:In Ezekiel 30 712, God describes how he'll rescue his people from sin and death.
Speaker:He says, this is what the Lord God says.
Speaker:I'm going to open your graves and bring you up
Speaker:from them, my people, and lead you into the land of Israel.
Speaker:You will know that I am the Lord my people.
Speaker:When I open your graves and bring you up from
Speaker:them, I will put my spirit in you, and you will live, and I will settle you in your own
Speaker:land.
Speaker:Then you will know that I am the Lord.
Speaker:I have spoken, and I will do it.
Speaker:So when's that time coming?
Speaker:When will God bring this new life.
Speaker:When will he put his spirit in people?
Speaker:Well, we've already heard the answer from John the Baptist.
Speaker:In John chapter one, verse 32, the Baptist testifies about Jesus.
Speaker:He says, I saw the spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and he rested on him.
Speaker:I didn't know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water told me, the one who you
Speaker:see the spirit descending and resting on, he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
Speaker:So what about truth? Jesus wants us to worship in spirit and truth.
Speaker:Again, we've already heard about this.
Speaker:In chapter one, verse 17, we're told, for the
Speaker:law was given through Moses grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Speaker:In fact, later on in the gospel, in John, chapter 14, verse six, Jesus famously says, I
Speaker:am the way, the truth and the life.
Speaker:No one comes to the father except through me.
Speaker:If you know me, you will also know my father.
Speaker:So how do you worship God?
Speaker:In spirit and truth, you come to Jesus.
Speaker:Even the Old Testament command to worship God.
Speaker:Where he puts his name isn't thrown out the window.
Speaker:Instead, it comes to its full and right conclusion.
Speaker:God puts his name not in a city anymore, but in a person, his son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker:I'm sure the woman doesn't fully understand all that, but she does something that the
Speaker:other people we've seen in this episode don't do.
Speaker:The people in the temple, Nicodemus, they seem to back away when Jesus says things they don't
Speaker:quite understand.
Speaker:This woman, though, she sees that there's
Speaker:something, someone worth pursuing here.
Speaker:She doesn't back away.
Speaker:In verse 25, she says, I know that Messiah is coming who is called Christ.
Speaker:When he comes, he will explain everything to us.
Speaker:And because she's still engaging, because she's shown herself to genuinely want to know
Speaker:the truth, then Jesus rewards her persistence with a very straightforward answer.
Speaker:He says, I the one speaking to you, am Hedenae.
Speaker:Right? At that moment, the disciples arrive.
Speaker:They've just missed the greatest revelation in history.
Speaker:All they see is Jesus talking to a woman.
Speaker:They're actually quite amazed that he's
Speaker:talking to a woman alone.
Speaker:That's really culturally inappropriate.
Speaker:Their shock is contrasted with Jesus willingness to engage with her.
Speaker:Nothing stopped him from sharing the good news with her.
Speaker:Not her ethnicity, not her gender, not her fairly promiscuous past.
Speaker:He just wants to save her.
Speaker:And indeed, she is being saved.
Speaker:She wants what Jesus is offering.
Speaker:John gives us a beautiful little detail that
Speaker:highlights the difference between normal water and the living water.
Speaker:Jesus offers this woman who came to the world to draw water.
Speaker:She leaves her water jar behind and runs into the town to tell people about Jesus.
Speaker:She went to the well for one thing, but she found something much better.
Speaker:In verse 29, she cries out to the town, come see a man who told me everything I ever did.
Speaker:Could this be the messiah? They left the town and made their way to him.
Speaker:Meanwhile, it's the disciples turn for a lesson, to be thrown off balance by a
Speaker:mysterious response.
Speaker:Remember, they've just been into the town to
Speaker:buy food.
Speaker:And so we read from verse 31.
Speaker:In the meantime, the disciples kept urging him, rabbi, eat something.
Speaker:But he said, I have food to eat that you don't know about.
Speaker:The disciples said to one another, could someone have brought him something to eat?
Speaker:Again, it's that same pattern of misunderstanding.
Speaker:So he says to them, my food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
Speaker:Jesus told them, don't you say there are still four more months.
Speaker:And then comes the harvest.
Speaker:Listen to what I'm telling you.
Speaker:Open your eyes and look at the fields.
Speaker:Because they are ready for harvest.
Speaker:The reaper is already receiving pay and gathering fruit for eternal life so that the
Speaker:sower and reaper can rejoice together.
Speaker:Now, when Jesus says, open your eyes and look
Speaker:to the fields, if they were to glance up and look around, what are they going to see?
Speaker:John hasn't told us what time of year it is.
Speaker:We have no idea what the crops are doing.
Speaker:But he has told us something they will see.
Speaker:They'll see the whole samaritan town coming
Speaker:out to meet Jesus, to discover if this could be the messiah, to get the living water that
Speaker:brings eternal life.
Speaker:And just like the woman left her water jug
Speaker:behind because she's found something so much more satisfying.
Speaker:Jesus isn't eating his food because of his own joy and satisfaction in doing God's work, in
Speaker:bringing people into eternal life.
Speaker:And he's inviting his disciples into that same
Speaker:joy, that same work.
Speaker:He says in verse 38, I sent you to reap what
Speaker:you didn't labour for.
Speaker:Others have laboured and you have benefited
Speaker:from their labour.
Speaker:How many labourers had come before this?
Speaker:All the prophets, all the writers of the Old Testament, even John the Baptist, preparing
Speaker:the world for the arrival of the Christ.
Speaker:And now he's here.
Speaker:Now's the time of harvest.
Speaker:Now's the time to give eternal life.
Speaker:Now's the time when God will pour out his spirit through his son, Jesus the Christ.
Speaker:Don't miss the harvest.
Speaker:For those of us who are followers of Jesus, we
Speaker:need to look with those same eyes.
Speaker:The world is sucking on wells that have no
Speaker:water.
Speaker:When we see the world's evil and hatred and
Speaker:arrogance, we can't just turn away in disgust.
Speaker:We can't just try and box them in with rules
Speaker:and laws so that we can get on with our lives.
Speaker:We need to look with Jesus eyes.
Speaker:We need to look with the eyes of love and compassion.
Speaker:This is the harvest.
Speaker:And what these people need most of all is
Speaker:Jesus.
Speaker:The Jesus who gives living water and eternal
Speaker:life.
Speaker:The Jesus who gives true joy, not the fake joy
Speaker:that leads to so much pain.
Speaker:Now's the time.
Speaker:Now's the moment.
Speaker:Let's not miss it.
Speaker:Just like Jesus didn't miss it with these Samaritans.
Speaker:Verse 39 says now many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of what the woman
Speaker:said when she testified.
Speaker:He told me everything I ever did.
Speaker:So when the Samaritans came to him, they asked him to stay with them and he stayed there two
Speaker:days.
Speaker:Many more believed because of what he said.
Speaker:And they told the woman, we no longer believe because of what you said.
Speaker:Since we have heard for ourselves and know that this really is the saviour of the world.
Speaker:This is a wonderful day of salvation.
Speaker:As for the Jews, the Israelites of Jesus day,
Speaker:are they going to recognize their saviour? Will they drink from the living water?
Speaker:Well thats the story for next time.
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