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WTH is going on with the new Cold War? Former Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger on the West’s growing rivalry with China and Russia
23rd March 2022 • What the Hell Is Going On • American Enterprise Institute
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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has brought horror and misery to millions and challenged the US-led international order to an extent unseen since the Cold War. As NATO struggles to mount an effective response to Russia’s aggression, a growing alliance of dictatorships led by Putin and China’s Xi Jinping is attempting to shape the geopolitical order to their interests and against those of the US. With casualties rising in Ukraine and growing fears of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, does the US now find itself in a new Cold War?

Matt Pottinger joins Marc and Dany to discuss the new cold war, the conflict’s ideological underpinnings, and the historical analogies that help explain Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.


Matt Pottinger is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, Chairman of The Foundation for Defense of Democracies China Program, and a Senior Advisor at The Marathon Initiative. From 2019 to 2021, Pottinger served in the White House in senior roles on the National Security Council staff, including as deputy national security advisor. He previously served as senior director for Asia, where he led the administration’s work on the Indo-Pacific region, in particular its shift on China policy. Before his White House service, Pottinger spent the late 1990s and early 2000s in China as a reporter for Reuters and the Wall Street Journal. He then fought in Iraq and Afghanistan as a US Marine during three combat deployments between 2007 and 2010.

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