Godly Husbands & Fathers with Michael Platinum-Williams (Ep 112)

Introduction

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Of course, I said yes. So today we get the pleasure of speaking with Michael Platinum Williams to give us the husband's side of a biblical marriage. Michael is a creator, a godly man, and just a joy to speak with. So guys, I hope you're paying attention because you're about to get some serious wisdom dropped on you.

website@platinumwilliams.com.[: 00:01:00

I'll have all the links to the website, including social media and the books. All of that will be in the show notes, so be sure to check those out, but I can't wait wait any longer. So let's get started with Michael.

Welcoming Michael Platinum Williams

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Jason: So welcome Michael. Thank you for joining me. I know it's late for you across the pond there.

Michael: Hey, hey, hey people.

Jason: Right on.

Favorite Bible Verses and Their Impact

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and Matthew 6 25 34, which tells us basically stop worrying about the things of this world, but seek first his kingdom and his righteousness. So why do these two kind of stand out to you?

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But Jesus articulated it in such a phenomenal way that it makes sense. You know, love the Lord of your God over your heart, your strength, your whole, basically your whole being. And the second one is, love your neighbor. And for me, it, it stands out because we have to love, we, you gotta love God with your whole heart. You know, there's, there's nothing like. When you are in tune with the spirit and you're connected with the father, you know, and then through that, inevitably you will love your neighbor. Does that make sense?

Jason: Oh yeah, absolutely. And what, what makes it even more interesting is at the time they had 613 commandments in their law,

Michael: literally, literally

Jason: so

Michael: 613 commandments. And then you know, Jesus just said, listen, you just need these two

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So that, that for me is always like a very, like, grounding scripture in a sense of love. Love the Lord your God with all your heart.

The Importance of Trusting God

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Michael: Everything else kind of falls into place and then it links in really well with Matthew 6 25 to 33 because growing up, um, quick story time there. Growing up, um, you know, Leslie and I got married very young.

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It says, you know, why are you so worried? Like you're worried about clothes, you're about, we are going to eat like pagans. Worry about these things. What's wrong with you? You know? Um, look at these ladies of the field. Do you know what I mean? Look at the ladies of the field. Look at the birds. The one that stood up for me.

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And literally it happens. You know, it wouldn't happen. It usually doesn't happen in a way we think is gonna happen because obviously his thoughts are not our thoughts and our ways are not his ways. His ways are not our ways. But he always provides and he always sustains us. And that thing of of sustenance as well is, is people think, you know, oh, when you think of God will sustain you, that's financially, but. Finance is like such a small thing to God. It's like, yeah, do you want money? Cool. You can get money, but there's much more, there's like, you know, there's estate sustenance of your spirit. How do you conduct yourself when you know the, the tide is about to come in and when there's chaos around, there's, there's sustenance in, you know, in, in that respect of an uncommon peace,

you know, so.

Jason: that's, it's, it's ironic because I have Matthew 6 34 written on a little whiteboard. Sticker magnetic sticker on my, on my fridge. You know, do, do not worry about tomorrow. For tomorrow, or

Michael: Where about itself.

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Jason: True.

Michael: You can't control tomorrow. You just have to live for today. You know, Jesus teaches us to pray for, you know, give us our daily bread. So in that sense, you, you could only worry.

You never worry. You just have to live for today and blessing. And I have this thing. We just tell each other, every single, every so often throughout the day, hour by hour, hour by hour. You know, some people say day by day, but the idea is hour by hour you're checking in. We, God, you know, checking your heart washer, checking that you know, we're not being distracted.

Check in that we're not saying reckless things in the mouth. This is hour by hour, just getting through the day. Talk close of tomorrow. I don't even know. You know, it sounds a bit morbid, but we don't even know if God is gonna give us the grace to wake up tomorrow, you know? Does that make sense?

Jason: Absolutely.

Michael: you can't worry about it just. Live for today and if you love the Lord, you'll go with all your heart. Everything else can be fine.

Jason: There you go. I like it.

Marriage and Partnership with Blessing

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Michael: listen, we can have a whole episode me of me just telling you how amazing my wife is. Like I. Actually, I'm gonna have it right now. I'm joking.

Jason: Here we go.

Michael: here we go. But yeah, you know, God, God, God blessed me with such a phenomenal human being. I look at her and like, are you even real? Sometimes you're like, ai, are you like actual human? You know? But now she's, she's really gorgeous to look at. She's amazing to experience. And we're best friends, you know, we've basically grown up with each other, so. She's the only other human being I know who's gone through this life with me, who who've done

life together, you know? And it's wonderful. And when we see God, we see God.

We see God together. So it's not like, you know, I'm experiencing one thing. She's experiencing another. We're experiencing him together. And I think that's just, you can't write that stuff, man.

Jason: That's

Michael: know?

Being a Creative and Honoring God

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Michael: Okay, so, um, by trade I'm a designer, so blessing and I run a, a creative agency. Um, we've worked with a lot of brands and we, we know we've designed it all. Um, but to be a creative, so God is the ultimate creator, right? He created the heavens and earth. He created the whole university number disguised. He, he does the disguise, he numbered the stars, calls them by name.

Like he, he know, he created everything. He's the ultimate designer and we are created in his image. And the beauty of that is because we're created in his image, we have the nature of God in the sense of we are also creative. And I feel like it's quite obnoxious for us artistic lot to hog the whole creative tub.

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How about, you know, scientists, they've gotta be creative with how they mix compounds and chemicals or, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not scientists, but, but you know, you gotta be, you gotta be creative with that stuff, right? So we're all creative in that sense. So it's all about, I think we have a duty. With our gifts to hone it, to, you know, learn the craft to, to sharpen our crafts and to, to, you know, give it back to him in honor of everything that we do. So that's what it means to be creative. And then in a sense of, to take everything that you have that you're good at, and present it back to God in whatever expression that is.

So, you know, if we're, if you're a singer songwriter, you're gonna write songs of God's goodness, and you're gonna use that to encourage people, and in a way that's you giving it back to God. So, yeah. You know, like I said, it's a bit obnoxious for us, you know, artistic Glock to say, yeah, you aware the creators, but everybody's the creative.

And I, that's

the way you look at it. Everyone's a

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Michael: exactly, exactly. Literally that. It's about doing it with a joyful heart, doing it as it's as if you are doing it onto God himself, and that is how we should actually operate.

Jason: Absolutely. You know, I had, I had an experience. We're gonna, we're gonna go off on tangents this whole episode, I think. But I had, I had this experience. Um, I was working in it, I was on site with a client. I was going around fixing up computers, getting things rolling for a big migration. I. And, and just, you know, this lady came up to me and, and I was going back and forth and she looked at me and smiled.

She goes, you love your job, don't you? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I really do. Because it was just a nice, you know, I don't know why that ring

Michael: Yeah,

Jason: ring in my head, but, um.

their passions, their jobs, [: 00:11:00

Right?

But then if you flip it on it head. You can have a dream job if you're doing it onto the Lord, because then you know who you're doing it for. It's not some, you know, some boss is gonna slap you over head with the stupidest stick. If you've done something wrong, it's you're doing onto God. Do you know what I mean?

Jason: Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Childhood and Overcoming Trauma

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Jason: So, uh, sorry, gonna move this forward a. Just to kind of circle back to you for a moment, just to get to know, know you a little bit better. Um, anything in your upbringing, anything in your history, um, it's important to know that you're comfortable sharing that you wanna to get out there so that we can,

Michael: I'm an open book. I'm an open book. Ask away.

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Michael: No. So my childhood wasn't, wasn't standard. It wasn't filled with, you know, happy memories and daffodils. And daisies. Um, my childhood was quite, quite dramatic. Um, I grew up in a family I the eldest of, of six. Um, I had a.

Jason: It's a good size family.

Michael: It's a, it's a massive family, trust me. Um, you know, my stepdad wasn't very kind to me growing up, and as a result I suffered a lot of trauma for that.

But do you know what, thank God that, you know, almost three years ago now, um, God made it in a way, God made it so that blessing and I were able to have individual therapy. So I, you know, I've gone through two years of therapy every Friday, every Friday for two years. You know, I had, I sat down with a therapist.

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Jason: Absolutely.

Michael: So,

Jason: I'm sorry you went through that. I'm glad I. Man, I'm glad you made it through and you made it through with, you know, the, the gift of God in your heart,

Michael: it. That's it. That's

it. It all, it all has to happen. 'cause all things work out for our good,

you know?

Jason: Absolutely. Yep. So, I di I didn't mention this before I, it just recently dawned on me that I seem to have kind of a theme of dating and marriage going on. 'cause I, I hosted a gentleman named Mark Collins in episode 1 0 7 who's been focused on mastering marriage for husbands episode 1 0 8. I had your amazing wife.

, and now here you and I are [: 00:16:00

Michael: You. God is saying something, man. He says something.

Jason: going on.

Michael: He says something.

The Role of a Godly Man

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Jason: uh, but that being said, I kind of have a tangential question that I think would be a good starting point, and that is, what does it mean to be a Godly man regardless of, of dating, marriage, uh, or being single.

Like, what do you think that looks like?

Michael: Being a God man for me starts with submission. I. And there was submission obedience. Uh, I think, you know, I'm not sure if you agree, but in the world right now, there's this epidemic. Everyone being about self, especially men, you know, you know, they beat their chest. Like, yeah, I'm the provider. I do this, I do that, da da da. It's all about me. It's all about me.

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Jason: I

Michael: and I, I don't think early in my, early in, yeah, early in my years, probably in my, you know, late teens, early twenties, I went through that phase of I'm a man, you know, I could do this, I could do that. And I found myself in a lot of pre, pre, you know, a lot of precarious positions where I hadn't, I didn't have the answer or I didn't have the tools, or I didn't have the, um, the, the knowhow or the wisdom, you know, to, to navigate such situations.

And as a result, I just made a huge mess of things.

And that's because Yes, we do, but that's because, you know, a lot of guys in our day and age, in our generation as well, they, they like to think it's all about them. And it's not all about us. We don't have the answers, you know? And it's about, it's about, about knowing that you can't do nothing about Christ.

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Jason: I kind of dove into Ephesians five. Ephesians five, on that gender, um, role episode. And what stood out to me was, uh, you know, Ephesians 5 21 tells us to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. And that, as I dug into that, tells us that we must give up that individualistic, that self-serving, that it's all about me attitude in lieu of the, the body of the.

The body of Christ

Michael: Precisely the point because

our example.

Jason: speaks right into what you were saying.

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This is all part of, you know, humbling yourself and submitting, um, when we think about, you know, everything that Christ went through for the sake of the church. And I know in like, you know, in Psalm 22, you know, the whole scripture that basically speaks of, you know, my God, my God, why have you abandoned me? Um, you know, they. They pierce my side. They, they mock me every, you know, all these things that Christ went through. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, I don't have the actual scripture in front of me, but you think of everything that Christ went through for the love of the church, he endured all of that. So really, he's calling us as men.

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I dunno why this short pops up on my screen because I don't, I dunno why YouTube thinks I like this stuff, but it seems to be sending me these things every so often. Um, there's this whole thing of high valued men. You heard about this, right?

Jason: I, I don't think so. No.

Michael: Okay. You're gonna go into a rabbit hole after this show, I guarantee.

Jason: Yep.

Michael: High-valued, man. So this woman asked, this is a podcast episode, and this woman asked, you know, she asked this guy, well, what makes you a high-valued man? And this is what my guy said. He said, um, well, um, I'm handsome. He's American. I'm handsome. No offense to the Americans. Of course,

Jason: Oh, no worries. We know.

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Do you read your Bible? Do you pray? And he's like, ah, you know. Yeah, do all that, but really that's, that. That's not really what makes me a high valued band. I just thought, I'll just hear on my phone

holding my head like, like this is crazy. He, he genuinely believes that he's a high valued man because he's six four.

Jason: Yeah.

Michael: You know, it's crazy, bro.

Jason: Yeah.

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and those values of submission, those values of, of, you know, love and having.

Your, your identity, be beyond your, the money you make, the car you drive, the, you know, the physical characteristics. Uh, that's just, that's foreign now. And it's, it's weird. It's sad.

Michael: It's all distorted, literally all distorted doesn't, it doesn't mean anything anymore. It literally doesn't mean anything. It's, it's about the car you drive, it's about the job you have. It's all these carnal things that are literally here today and gone tomorrow. Nothing about your character, nothing about your submission, nothing about the fruits that you're producing as a, as a human being, you know?

Jason: Yeah,

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Philo, it's, it is that friendships. Yep. We get into the romantic stuff. If you've ever read the Five Languages of Love, you know, it calls out that giddy love that people have when they get married, when they first start dating, which I think would fall under Aeros love.

Um, and then you have this separate, it kinda sits by itself that agape love.

Understanding Agape Love

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Jason: Which is that love of decision has nothing to do with how you feel, your relationship with the person, nothing. It is, I have made a decision to love this person whether they deserve it or not. It's the same love that God gives us.

And, and I imagine, you know, 'cause you mentioned you, you married early, you guys struggled through some stuff.

Did you struggle with transitioning from that, that, that giddy aeros love into understanding agape love with blessing.

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Personal Struggles and Growth

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Michael: Because when I think about, you know. My life and I've gone through some real crazy moments where I've just been moving absolutely mad. In London, we say moving mad, which is just being crazy, right? Just making some really dumb decisions. Um, and God is like, I still love you. You know, and in, in a relationship context, um, people. Like to turn off and I feel like it's just a distortion of what love is that I like to turn off what this thing of vay of love is, or I don't love you anymore or you know, I don't, you know, the type person I used to be, but Agape says you love this person regardless. And in a marriage you're going to change. Change is inevitable, right? I'm not the same person I was when I was 22. I'm 36 now.

I'm not the same person I was. I've definitely changed. You know, and to, for anybody to think that they're gonna go into a relationship, they're gonna go into a marriage for life.

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the agape is there, that you're gonna see this person through that season.

And you know, I can speak for blessing and love where our love is. It is, it is storage. You know? It is, it is, it is philios because, you know, we're friends, we behave, people say we behave like siblings. And I think it's just because we've grown up together effectively. Um, you know, we're, we're also very romantic with each other.

Like, you know, I can't keep my, my hands off the woman, but, you know, but nonetheless, like I look at her, I'm like, we've gone through so much life together and I can honestly say I love this woman. Regardless.

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Whereas if you don't have the agape love, any mistake a person makes, that's it. Lights out, gone. We're getting a divorce. You're not the same person I used to marry anymore.

Or, you know, I don't like you anymore. Or, you know, you're not, you're not, the, the most common thing is you're not who, you're not who I would marry before. Like people just, they believe that human beings can't evolve

and the human being, we are going to evolve, you know, hopefully for the better.

Jason: Yeah. I hate hearing that. Well, we fell out of love.

Michael: We fell out of love.

Jason: What does

Michael: mean?

you fell outta love? What do you mean? You know,

Jason: Yeah. And what it comes down to is you've made a choice not to love.

Michael: you may, that's

Jason: 'cause you could have chose to love through that, but you made

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Come on, come on, come back.

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you

Jason: No, and, and I'm not faulting people. I've had failed relationships. I haven't made the best decisions. You know, sometimes relationships do need to end, um, under certain circumstances, but I. You know, you, you have to ask yourself, did I at least try or, or even though this is ending, I still love this person.

Michael: Yeah. I mean, blessing and I, we wrote in our book, in our recent book, like there are some situations where you're in that God would tell you, I. This is not it.

This is not the one, and that's okay because at least you did it in a godly way. You, so you, you seek God's face and he, he gave her the answer. So therefore there's no, there should be, there shouldn't be any like hate or love lost because you did it the right way. You know

Fatherhood Challenges

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Jason: So you're not just a husband, right? You're a father as well.

Michael: I am.

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But when a child enters the picture, you're up every two hours. Things get raw. The paradigms shift. So when you first became a father, what do you think you struggled with the most? Trying to. Establish and maintain this Godly family

Michael: Hmm. Aside from sleep,

um, which became a myth, you know, when, when my first, my first child was born, I had this thing where, um, I tell people I used to, I actually literally to see animated dancing in hamburgers. I. When it came time to do the night shift. So, you know, this, this build cry on the hour, every three hours, cry on the hour, every three hours. And I'll wake up and I'll see dancing hamburgers and it was just like, I'm, I'm absolutely delirious right now, but this child needs to be fed and changed so you do it.

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My biological father died before I, I, I I was conscious enough to know really.

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Jason: Yeah.

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but he is also very musical and very like, um, analytical like me and then my youngest son as well.

This is literally the same thing, and it's this beautiful blend. I look at this with a newfound appreciation, so I struggled a lot with identity in the beginning, but I feel like. God has a beautiful way, again, of making everything work out for our good. You know, he takes the good, the bad, the ugly, strips out the poison and makes it all work out for our good.

Jason: Absolutely.

Michael: that's my testimony on that for real.

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Um, but then, then if you do have that role, then you're like, well, I don't know if I can live up to that.

Michael: I

Jason: I think either way you're doubted, you're, you know, you're gonna walk, walk into this parenthood thing with, I don't know if I can do this. I'm never gonna be good enough.

Michael: Just the thing. I think that's a, I think that's a better thing to have,

you know, because if your dad is lovely, like you just, just described, then you can count on the fact that your dad is there for you. Right.

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just wanna call my dad and like, dad, like, you know, I just feel, I feel a way today. I feel terrible. I, I did this, I did that. And the fact that he'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, you did that too, by the way, but you turn out fine. Don't worry. And you

get that, that assurance that, you know, that that is, is there with you in that, in that. In those moments is what I really crave. Um, but obviously I have very, I have a huge amount of joy to know that I'm definitely gonna be that for my boys. You know, when it comes time for them to have their children and they're gonna be there doing the most, granddad, doing the school runs, coming and doing them midnight shift, you know, they're with the PEP talks, you know,

Jason: Yeah, absolutely.

Michael: I can't wait for those times, but I can't wait the same time. But I.

Jason: Yeah. No, I, I, I will say, you know, just from what I've heard, um, I think you're doing a phenomenal job,

Michael: Oh, thank you man. And so you,

you got a teenager.

Jason: I do. It's insane it.

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a teenage amount of years. That's a big thing.

That's a massive thing, man.

Jason: few more to go,

Michael: There.

Jason: but, but that kind of leads into.

Building a Supportive Community for Fathers

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Jason: And I warned you about this question so you wouldn't be surprised, but I wanted to pick your brain and you know, I told you I'm working with a group of guys to build kind of a dad's ministry at my church. Um, it's going a little slower than I hope, but I feel like the men who have children need a safe place to express their concerns, to ask for advice, to have that emotional conversation, even have a place where they can shed some tears, have emotional breakdowns,

Michael: Hmm.

Jason: just really get through the tough stuff.

Um, I also want a solid brotherhood of fathers that. If someone's in need, they can pick up the phone and be like, guys, and we come running. Um, but that being said, you know, I wanted to pick your brain. Like if you were, if you were involved in such a ministry, what would you want offered to you as a dad?

In addition to that,

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Jason: it's not easy like getting these guys together because everyone's so busy

Michael: Everyone's listen, everyone's busy, everyone is, uh, out here being a man. Um, everyone is doing their own thing, but it's a powerful thing and I must commend you like, you know, for being obedient in, in carrying that. And, you know,

it may feel like it's slow, but you, so the seed and the impact will grow. Um, and I've seen this like for example, when, when my first child was born to. This group for moms and you know, she'd come back so like light on her feet and you know, she would feel so good. And she used to tell me, they just used to sit around, you know, and breastfeed and just talk and just have a talk.

Jason: Yeah.

Michael: And I think like that's just a human necessity. And I think in a group like that, I'd love, um, again, for an environment, and I guess this down to you as the leader to create an environment where it's so safe that. There's a pride zone. You know, there's, you know,

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there's an environment where no one's judging each other, we're all here, we're all trying to work it out. We don't have the blueprint. We, we don't have the blueprint. We just have our Bible and our submission to God. Now we're just trying to navigate this thing called fatherhood. And I think you've named most of them in the sense of having a, a safe space. Having, um, someone that you can pick up the phone and say, listen, I'm struggling with a thingy.

Pray with me. Um. But I think I'd love, I, I think one thing I love is again, that, that regular accountability, that regular checkin,

if that makes sense. Um, because yeah, life is hard.

Oh, no, no, no. Lemme take that back. I'm be careful what I say my words. Life is not hard life. Life is, you know, life. You have to navigate life.

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Jason: It seems like a good combo.

Michael: Yeah. Trust me, boxing is boxing and therapy is, is wonderful. I have a therapy on a Friday. On the Tuesday I'm punching the lights out.

A boxing bag. Right.

Jason: Yes.

Michael: Um. But in this boxing club, I don't know how they cultivated this culture, but there was no ego. And you know, like you watch films where there's got boxing clubs and you've always like, you always got like, you know, Mr. Big Shot, who wants to beat up everybody

I can be in the same. Boxing [: 00:42:00

Just because you got a teenager doesn't mean you can't learn from me who's got younger kids or vice versa.

Like there should be always an open culture of. I could learn from you, you could learn from me. Um, I think I just want went on a whole tangent, but I hope that was an answer for you.

Jason: Oh, that worked. No, it was, it was, and, and it kind of reminds me of, I've mentioned it before, I think on this podcast, um, you know, I come across this philosophy before, it's called One Hand Up. One Hand Down. It was a company I worked for a few years back. Um, but the idea was that nobody is stagnant.

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Michael: That's a

Jason: you are living in all areas, you know, you've always gotta hand up and the hand down.

Um, you can't go wrong there.

Michael: Literally it's, that's the way the kingdom,

we're all designed. We're all one body. We're all one body, and we're all, we all have to help each other. Through this thing called life

Jason: But I like that no pride zone. I wrote that down. I'm gonna use that.

Michael: No pride zone. Yeah.

Jason: Well, you, um, you and your wife have been wonderful gifts from God for this podcast. I

thank you so much for coming on.

Michael: Thank you for having me.

Jason: oh, of course. Any final thoughts? Any words for the listeners as we wrap things up?

Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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as a result, you know you should.

You should live for Christ. That should be our number one goal to live for Christ, because at the end of it all, when we're standing in front of God, he's gonna ask us, what did you do? And I wanna be able to say, yo, so. You know, I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this, and I loved it, and I loved living for you and I love people.

And God be like, I know, you know, I will just check it for what I already put there. You know? So that should be, that should be our, our goal to live for Christ, to live a godly life every single day, day by day, hour by hour. Not to worry about tomorrow, but live in submission. Just today. Do your best today.

And.

Jason: Hour to hour.

Michael: hour. by hour, man.

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Jason: That's it. That simple.

Michael: Yeah. It's not simple, but that's the essence. That's where all, that's where it all striving for. Right?

And by God's grace, we'll all get there.

Jason: Yeah, absolutely. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's Michael Platinum Williams. It has been an absolute pleasure. I have a call to action to the listeners. Go to my show notes, click on the books, check out his website, go to social media, make sure you share this podcast

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Go back and share blessings, podcast episode as well. It was great. Again, thank you, Michael. God bless you and blessing.

Michael: you for having me.

Jason: We appreciate you, as for the listeners, until next time, keep loving your neighbors, dive into God's word daily and may the Lord bless you and keep you and fill you with this peace.

Take care. God bless and I'll see you in the next episode.

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