When David Oman woke up in 1999 to his Los Angeles real estate developer father finding a lot in the newspaper for $40,000, he thought it was a typo. Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon, on the edge of Beverly Hills. It was the former address of Hollywood royalty like like Cary Grant, Henry Fonda, and Candice Bergen. But it also was the same street where Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski lived in 1969 and the site of the most infamous of the Manson Family murders. But that house was torn down after Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails famously recorded The Downward Spiral there and called his studio Le Pig, a kind of disgusting homage to Sharon Tate’s blood being used to scrawl the words “Pig” on the front door. He later regretted treating the murders with that kind of levity. But still, there’s no way a lot in that neighborhood would go for that kind of money.

However, it wasn’t a typo, it was a zoning issue. The city had zoned the street incorrectly and that meant that the owners of the lot weren’t able to develop it. They started building a house into the side of the hill and had to quit after laying the foundation. Oman’s father realized the mistake, so they bought the lot and petitioned the city to rezone the street. It worked and they were cleared to develop the house. Originally David Oman’s father wanted to sell the place, but David knew that it was his dream home.

Not long after moving in, Oman started having haunted experiences, including a full-bodied apparition of Jay Sebring, the famous Hollywood hairdresser who was murdered right down the street in th Sharon Tate home. He invited a ghosthunting team to investigate and they started to get strange readings, particularly their EMF and magnetic readings ( we covered this earlier in our episode about the Manson Family as well, so you can get a little background there.)

Oman also had flashes of movie scenes come to him. Scenes that he believes were shown to him by the ghost of Sharon Tate. These would eventually culminate in the film, House at The End of the Drive , produced in 2015.

In October of 2019, David Oman released a book, The Ghosts of Cielo Drive where he talks about his experiences and we talked to him extensively about the book and the paranormal encounters including:

• Oman’s encounter with Lindsay Lohan when she showed up wanting “to see a ghost”
• Why David Oman isn’t scared of the paranormal phenomena in his home
• Why he feels the place called to him to build there and reveal its secrets
• More of the electromagnetic anomalies people have experienced

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

Wendy from the band Sunspot. Episode

269, The Ghosts of Cielo Drive. We're

here with David Oman, the owner of The Oman

House, which is, like a stone's throw away

from the house on Cielo Drive where the infamous

Manson Family Sharon Tate murders happened 50 years ago

in 1969. And since David has

built and moved into the house, he's experienced a cornucopia

of supernatural activity and have been investigated by everybody from ghost

hunters to ghost adventures to, you know, Barry Taft from the

entity case. And we wanna welcome David to the show and talk

about the book he just released about that supernatural activity

that's happening at his place, Ghosts of Salo Drive, the

Afterlife of Sharon Tate and the Spirits of The

Omen House. Welcome, Dave. Well, thank you for

having me on today. I really appreciate that. And so let's get a

little background, from you real quick for people who are

interested kind of, you're a Los Angeles native.

Did you see ghosts as a kid? Or how did you stumble into the supernatural?

I honestly, I always wanted to see a ghost as a kid.

I'm 1 of the few people in the world that was, adamant about it. It's

like, I wanna see a ghost. Yeah. Come on. Let's find him. And that's

pretty much how it started. I, was always intrigued

in my childhood, about paranormal, about

ghosts, about hauntings. I just had always

had a curiosity and a fascination with them.

And to be honest with you, as a kid, we used to literally go look

around at old abandoned and burnt down homes

that were remnants of the Bel Air Mike. And, you know, we used to

scour the neighborhood in the hills there for stuff like that.

But to lead you to where I am right now, about 21 years

ago in November of 1998,

on a Sunday morning, my dad calls me up at 8 in the morning,

woke my ass up, and, started, you

know, telling me in an excited fashion saying, David, get up. Come on.

I found a lot. It's $40,000 in Beverly Hills,

and I'm half asleep. And I'm Mike, oh,

Dad? What? What, dad? It's 8 in the morning on Sunday morning. What? What? Because

I found a classified ad in the LA Times. There's a lot. It's a

foreclosure. It's $40,000, and I'm like,

Jesus, dad. I'm thinking, you're you're off your rocker. You misread

it. It's not for either you misread it or it's a misprint. It's

probably 400 k and they forgot a 0. Right. And

he and he's like, no. No. That's not it. And my dad here's the setup

of my dad. He's 82 years old. Now

you mostly think of an 82 year old man as being in a

wheelchair or with a walker.

Right. No. Not Paul piss and vinegar omen.

My father was driving a 19 it was a 1997

was it a z Wendy Camaro? Okay? And, no, he wasn't

like the old man. I was like, hey. What are you doing, KJ? He

was spry, lively, and

full of full of, you know, p and v, as I

used to say is he was he was a he was a hell of a

character, but he was, like, active and looked like

he was, like, in his sixties. Not even, like, late like, his

fifties. And he was Mike, come on. Go come on. Get up out of the

house. Come on. Go go meet me up. He says, alright. Fine. Fine. He says,

it's up Benedict Canyon on the street called Cielo Drive.

And, again, I'm half awake, half asleep,

and I'm Mike, it's alright. Yeah. So I get my Thomas guide, the

map, the road map guide to find out where the street is, and I

drive up there 20 minutes later with my dogs. And I get up

there 10 minutes before he gets up there, and I'm looking down the street

from where this lot is, and I'm, like, shocked.

And I'm, like, going, oh my god. I don't I don't I don't believe

this. That's that's where the Sharon Tate house stood. But

I start to immediately realize that whatever it was that I had

seen when I was in high school back in 1978 and 79,

that that was all gone. And I could see immediately there was this

huge massive wrought iron double gate that was there

in front of the property. And as I recall it, there was a,

it had this old paved road that went down there, and there was

a chain link fence, and you could see, you know, you couldn't see the house,

but you could see into the driveway. And I looked down, and I said, it's

all dirt now. It's like, oh, wow. It's all gone. And,

my dad drives up, and I'm shaking my head going, I can't believe I'm up

here again. And he I I said, dad, I said, that's where the Sharon Tate

murders took place 30 years ago, I'm pointing down the street.

And he looks at me, and he gives me this look Mike I don't give

a good cut. You know? Right. We're here to look at this freaking piece of

real estate. What do I give a rat's ass about what once was, where it

was, etcetera? He goes, focus, kid. Focus. So I'm

like, alright. Because so this is a lot, and I'm looking in a and it's

a pretty steep slope. It's not vertical, but it's about a

40 degree slope. It's pretty steep.

And I'm looking at this and I'm saying, what did I see? There are weeds

all over the thing. And then I started to notice there was rebar, which

is basically steel rods that are on top of the,

the earth that they would then pour concrete around to fill in

for the reinforced what is it? The, foundation.

Right. And I'm like, dad, am I crazy? Or do I see rebar on

top of the earth? He goes he goes, oh, crap. He goes, you do. He

says, I think that if there's rebar on top of the earth that they would

have put in the caissons first because the only reason why you put the

rebar on is because you've already done the preliminary, which

work, which is to dig holes deep into the earth into the

bedrock, then 3 foot diameter holes, then to pour

concrete reinforced with steel rebar, and you would

then put the rebar on top to to connect to that

to build the foundation. I'm like, oh my god. He goes, that is what he

goes. That's what that is. He goes, they apparently were in the middle of

construction and got stopped by the city for some reason,

and the property has been sitting in limbo in this state for

about 20 some odd years. So they'd already done the kind of the

groundwork into creating a house. Because this is I mean, you're putting a a house

into the side of a steep hill. I mean, you're you're picturing to be you

know, there's gonna be pictures of the house that you can see at othersidepodcast.com/269.

We'll have some pictures of it. But, I mean, it is classic

Wendy you think of a house in the Hollywood Hills kinda thing.

It's that classic, like, this looks like it's a house built into the side

of a mountain. Yep. That's what it is. 3 stories tall.

And, he decided that he says, if we can get this, he

says, we can buy this, we can build this ourselves. Because my dad was a

builder, a designer, and an architect. And, he

always liked houses that, as he called them, difficult

homes difficult lots. He goes, distressed

properties. I said, what is that? He goes, you can get distressed properties for less

money because most people that are builders just are dissuaded

from building on a slope. I said, yeah. He goes,

most people like to build on flat pads. He goes, I like to build

and get creative with a piece of property to build the houses that I

build because it's less expensive in some regards, and it gives

me more flexibility and creativity to design something

around that property. And I said, well, I no.

God damn it. I said, I've been around with you since you've been building houses

since I was a kid. You built my sister's house that she lives in to

this day. I said, it was always my dream to build a

house with you, and it was just a matter of fact. I look

forward to it. So I'm thinking, oh my god. This

is this is actually gonna happen. We're gonna get a lot, and I'm gonna get

to move out of my apartment I've lived in for 20 years. So you find

that the $40,000 is not a typo. It's not a mistake that your dad made.

The lot really was, I mean, $40,000. Yeah. It was $40,000

because you could not build on the property according to the city. It

had been started to be built on, and they stopped it.

And because they stopped it, they it Wendy into foreclosure.

So we bought the lot in January of 1999,

and, it turns out that there was a

on the maps, they the the city maps, the planning commission

maps, there was a transfer. And from 1 year to

another in, like, 30 years ago or 20 years ago, they

switched somebody took the name private drive and

put private street. Now between you and me, it's semantics.

But what it turned out to be was in the city, street

is maintained by the city, private drive is

maintained by the property owners. So somewhere in the trans

in the in the updating of the the city maps, somebody changed the name

by accident, and that caused the kerfuffle with the

construction 20 years earlier. And that

we straightened out. We bought the lot. We built the house here. And during

construction, strange things were happening. But so the thing is that this this

also amazes me too. So it really was a clerical

error, Makes it so these people have to give up on their construction where

they're probably building an extraordinarily expensive house to the side of a mountain, and they're

like, okay. Well, we can't do it anymore because of a clerical error.

Then they sell a place. You get it. You get the clerical error changed

over so you can build again. Yeah. I mean, that

almost seems Surreal. That's 1 of those stories they only see in

a movie or whatever because it's like Yeah. You can't fight city hall. Well, you

have you fought city hall and you want. But we didn't in fact, we just

got the figured out because I said to him, I said, how is it that

other houses on the street, yet the street's non buildable? I

said, that doesn't make any sense. And he goes, exactly. It

doesn't make any sense. It shouldn't be I said, exactly, pops. It

shouldn't be like that. So that's the whole scoop and

the story behind that when you think about it. It was all I I

didn't wanna say it was meant to be. If it was meant to be, it

was meant to be, but it had to be. And that's what ended up

happening, you see. Well, you needed a couple of guys who were smarter to figure

out that, well, here's how we actually can build on the property. Get it for

a steal, come in there, and be able to, you know, be able to make

the house. Now and so you're setting up this 3 story house into the side

of the hill. And, you know, what kind of stuff was happening while people were

building it? Well, during construction, we had the laborers that were

having strange things. They were saying to me, David, were you here last night?

Did you move this and that? It's like, what? Did I move this? I said,

why would I move the tools from WEX? And it's Mike, no. We we you

know, tools are missing from 1 room to another. It's like, no. I go,

yeah. And just strange things in my personal

experiences when I was here were that I was feeling

like walking around the house, you feel like somebody's walking up behind you and they're

gonna talk to you and you go, yeah, what? And there's no 1 there behind

you. That kind of stuff kinda got kind of

unnerved me to say the least. I couldn't explain it, but I couldn't,

you know, dissuade it. It was like, alright. That's that's

strange as all hell. And I felt it more than once.

So it was like, okay. This is too crazy

and creepy. Now you also have that movie, the

house at the end of the drive. And in the film, doesn't

the Lance Henriksen character, like, detail something that happened to 1 of the workers? I

mean, how much is that? Is that fictionalized, and how much are you Mike, well,

this is what happened? Well, actually, the movie is half fantasy and

half fiction. I mean, half fantasy. Sorry.

That means a 100% bull does it? It's like, oh, yeah. That's right. No.

It was half fantasy and half react factual. And by

that, I mean that we had stuff that was going on here in the

house that I decided to put into the movie. And it

was stuff that was Mike, no, that didn't have oh, yes. It

did. For instance, Lance Hendrickson re replays

the story relates the story of 1 of my contract laborers who was

here. And 6 months before the construction was finished,

I assembled the laborers. I said, have you guys had any strange things

happen during construction? And 1 guy goes, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I had something strange as all hell happened here. And he

goes on to tell me the story, and I'm like, the what?

Right. He basically the story was is that he was here by

himself in the middle of the summer,

July, and he was down on the 3rd level

working. And as he tells the story, he was down there

doing some work. He heard voices and footsteps coming from the top floor.

So he came running upstairs to see what was going on.

He goes, there's no 1 there. He goes outside, he

starts looking around, and he goes, there's no, no 1 on the

street. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, there's no 1 on the

street. It's empty. I said, okay.

He goes, yeah. And what's stranger is is that I keep

on, you know, walking around the the neighborhood, and I guess there's not a car

out there. I said, well, I've been here before, and, you know, I've never seen

anybody out here past you know, before 7 o'clock. And he goes,

exactly. And I'm, like, going exactly what? He goes, exactly my

point. And I'm, like, yeah. That is strange. So he

then tells me that he goes back downstairs, he starts

working, and he hears the voices and footsteps coming from

the top floor. So he goes running

upstairs again. No 1 there. He says,

it's not possible. I said, that sounds pretty hairy. He goes, yeah. I don't

understand it, but I'm tired, and I'm getting the hell out of there. So I

said, okay. So what happened? He goes, I go downstairs. I start packing my bags,

And it's 90 degrees out this this this wonderful summer

day at 6 o'clock. Sure. And he starts going

to get his bags packed. And all of a sudden, he says,

he hears the footsteps coming down the staircase.

And he says they're getting louder and louder. And

he says he gets himself into the other room, and he's sitting there

waiting, and he says they got so loud. He says they got to the landing

and stopped. And he says it was strange because it wasn't Mike tennis shoes.

He goes it was like leather soled shoes hitting the wooden planks as they

were trailing, going down the staircase. He says,

I come out of the room in the into the 10 feet out, and I

go to the bottom of this the landing, and I don't see anything

there, and it's impossible. He says, there's no possible

way that it could have been there and then

disappeared there in that amount of time. He goes, and

then all of a sudden, this ice cold breeze comes whizzing

across the back of his neck, and he goes, it's not like it's Wendy blowing.

He says it's like an isolated 2 inch band of ice

that's being dragged across the back of his neck, below his

hairline, and above his shoulder blades. And he goes, the hairs of his

whole entire body stood straight up. And he screams,

Yame boy. Yame boy. Took off and didn't come back

for 6 weeks. Oh, man. And I said to

him Wendy finally did come back, I said, wait a second. And I said to

him, is that when you told the guys who were in El Salvador taking care

of your mother who was sick in San Salvador? And he goes, uh-huh.

I said, I remember that because you were the

1 that was putting in or supposed to put in the tiles in in the

master bathroom, which you had done in the kitchen and all the other bathrooms,

but you didn't get to the master bath. He goes, yeah. He goes, I got

so tired of waiting for you for the past for the last 1st 2 weeks.

I said, fine. But after that, come the 3rd week, I said, damn it. I'll

do it myself. And I did. I put the tiles in

Mike, and to this day, you can see how poorly a job

I did because it's impossible to get away. I was like, yeah. The rest of

the house looks great, but, god, what happened to the master bathroom? It's like, yeah.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What happened to the

master bathroom? So right from when the place was being built,

I mean, strange things were happening, enough that a worker walked off,

and, you know, and didn't come back. About when did you move into it? What

year did you actually get to move in, to your home?

I moved in in, what was it, 9

2002 is when I moved in. And so you move in, and about

how long after you move in do weird things start happening? Immediately. I

mean, I knew immediately stuff is going kooky here because you could feel

stuff going on in the house. And it's like, Juan, that's strange. I said, I

got stuff going on here that just doesn't add up. And it's like,

okay. And it was just strange incidents of

things happening, of of you you seeing things out of the corner of your

eye, of dealing with the, the the

spirit, so to speak, visiting. It was just Mike, okay. There's stuff going on here

I can't explain. And it didn't bother me. It was just kinda

curious, to say the least. I found it I was

rather amused by it. I wasn't ever threatened or

felt any kind of disconcerted behavior. It's like, oh, this is

a threat to my to my being. It's like, no.

Never before. Not at all. It was it was pleasant. It was

never I had to say it was never an issue, but it was never an

issue. Sure. Well, there's never anything that you know, it was just little weird

stuff would happen. But nothing that, like, scared the crap out of you.

No. Not nothing would scare the crap out of anybody, to be honest with you.

It was all good. It was all fine. It was all,

for lack of better words, it was all it was okay. It wasn't anything to

be feeling threatened by or fearful of. It was just

there. And so when you had your first experience

of seeing a full body apparition Yeah.

Is that moment that you were Mike, okay. Now there's something I can't

ignore here? Well, again, I didn't ignore it. Never did I

ever, ever, ever do that because as I found,

if you ignore something and put it under the the rug, so to speak,

it's gonna come back, and it's gonna come back 10 times more powerful

than the first time because it's like the pee at the bottom of a 100

mattresses. You'll feel it no matter how many mattresses are there, and, eventually, it'll take

over and consume your mind because you're not dealing with it.

So I would always acknowledge it when I saw an apparition not an apparition. When

I would see a shadow figure or somebody or I heard something, I

would acknowledge him and say, alright. I said I saw that. I said, that's cool.

I never allowed it to to to I never put it under

the the the the tufts of my skin to be, like, ignored.

Because, like I said, it just you're you're just you're gonna have

to deal with it somewhere down the road. So what was it like to have

that I mean, the first time you saw an apparition so you you paid

attention to what was happening in the house. And, you respected it, and you

said, okay. Well, there's some weird stuff going on here, but it's not bothering me.

I'm living in my dream home, so I'm gonna just enjoy

it. But then when you could no long when you had to, like, do

something about it, was it I mean, it was after you had that experience, and

can you describe that waking up in the middle of that experience that happened to

you? Yeah. Well, it was 2,004,

Mike, July. My girlfriend at the time was flying was

a flight attendant flying American Airlines through Europe,

doing the European route. My mom was dying of

cancer, of pancreatic cancer, and,

basically, it was, I woke up. I

went to put my head on the pillow. It was 136.

I then fell asleep. I then my eyes popped open. I didn't know why. I

felt I had been out out for, like, hours. And the

next thing I noticed is Mike eyes are drifting towards the front of the bed,

and there I see this gentleman standing there, a full body

apparition, and I don't recognize him. He's in

a suit. It's in a he's in a short lapeled suit.

His left index his left arm is extended out, and

his index finger's pointing, and he's making a quarter turn

towards what I, at the time, believed was the

driveway. As it turns out, he was not pointing towards

the driveway. It took 8 years for that

apparitions, what he was saying or what he was his motion and

his movements to be unraveled and and unfurled for

me to figure out. Because at the time, I thought he was pointing

towards going down the driveway. He was pointing towards the property

next door to me, which was a vacant double lot that had been sitting

there long before we had bought our lot. And, 8

years after his apparition manifested and was pointing at the

lot, somebody bought the lot and decided to build their

dream to build a spec house there. But

unlike most constructions where you put caissons on the side of the

hill and you basically build step footings, which is just what it is,

it's concrete steps that are about 4 feet. It depends upon

how you design it. But in my case, they're 4 feet tall by

4 feet long going down like a staircase going down the hillside,

which the framing and the house sits. No. No. No.

No. They decided to take the liberty

of this of of drilling and putting 30

some odd caissons, which were 3 foot diameter piles going

down right next to the street and then removing the

entire mountain. Like, if you can imagine taking a slice

of cake and slicing straight down and then taking out a

section Mike a like a cornering section or Mike a triangular

section of Mike, but they did it with the mountain. Wendy 60 feet

down, then went 40 feet from the bottom of the of

the of the pad of the hillside and then removed the entire

mountain. And it was traumatic for the house

because my house was shaking like a leaf on a tree while they were doing

this crap. And, it was not good for the for the

house. Let's put it that way, during the for this

construction that was going on. Well, when you saw the character though, I mean, when

you saw the apparition, did it look like you could did it look like he

was standing there, like he was solid, real, or was it, like, see through him?

He looked like he was solid, but not,

everything about him was unique. Meaning, the coloring of him was all

in in black and white tones. His body,

his his the suit he was wearing was Mike a grayish was a gray

tone, a light gray. His shirt was a powder

blue gray. His tie was a dark blue gray. His hair was Mike

charcoal black gray. It was kinked and parted to

the side. It again, I didn't recognize him because he wasn't you know, we all

believe that ghosts manifest as ghosts manifest as they do when they're alive. Right. Not

exactly true. I mean, when they died, he wasn't wearing the outfit he was wearing

when he was killed. Because later on, and I'd seen pictures of Sebring,

and he was in this these horrible striped jeans. He was

in a suit. Now the thing is you believe or it you know, you discovered

later on that the person that you saw or the apparition that you saw

Yeah. Was, you know, it looked like Jay Sebring. Like you said, you didn't

recognize him at the time. Right. How eventually did you find out

that the, that that the vision that you saw in your bedroom that

night ended up being him? A few months later, I went to the

LAPD to do research to see if they would allow me

access to the the sealed vault files and the

photographs of the Sharon Tate murders to see if by any

chance somebody, 1 of the perpetrators, had left

a anything on the side of the hill where this house now stands. So

I was thinking, alright, maybe there's a bloody glove, you know, maybe there's some bloody

rags left on the side of the hill. Anything, something,

whatever, right? Uh-uh. And, when I was going through

the photographs, I went through first the LaBianca photographs, which were

horrendous. Then I had to come back a couple weeks later and

and get access to seeing the tape files.

And going through the files, I found a photograph, and it was an 8 by

10 photo of Jay Sebring, and it said Jay Sebring. On the reverse, it

said Jay Sebring with his natural hairstyle. When I saw the photograph,

I immediately immediately knew it was

Jay. And I was Mike, oh my god. I that's that's that's

the guy I saw in my bedroom. See, you you have Mike

need a little background on Jay Sebring, he was He's the hairstylist to the

stars. Sharon Tate's ex fiance. He was also 1 of the murder

victims at the end of the street. And so you see him,

you know, in your room. He seems to be warning you about

something that later on, you, you know, you you find out what it's about.

And so then was that, you know, you decide,

okay. We might have to call in some Ghostbusters or

some kind of investigators or something to try and make sense of what's

happening in the house. Well, I invited Rob Ladowski. It

was the going on to the 35th anniversary of the murders, and

it's about a month after that I saw Jay. And it was

most less than a month after since Wendy saw Jay that I decided to

call and find somebody to come here and to do an

investigation here. And I called up Rob because he had written a few books, he

was local, and we talked

and he brought over his team,

which included Alma Carey, who I later on became friends

with, Diane Melvin, his

wife Anne, and a few other people that came with him. And I invited

my screenwriting friend, Jim Vines, to be a part of this

evening. And it was amazing, like I said,

because we did this 2 months before the,

the show Ghost Hunters aired, which was the first

paranormal reality show. Right. That tells you a little bit about how

advanced ahead of the curve we were here. And

we had I went out and bought myself a cheap piece of crap

camera that I could take pictures with that wouldn't be, would

be 35 millimeter film. And I couldn't be called out as

being fraudulent because the camera was so rudimentary

that you could take a picture and then you forward advanced it to make the

pictures go. And it's Mike, okay, fine, you know, got 800

speed film. I must have taken 200 and some odd

photographs, random photographs around the house. And

out of those 200 photographs, I think 4 or 5 of them

had things that were anomalies that I could not explain.

And so were you doing particular things to, not necessarily provoke,

but, try to talk to the spirits at the time. Like, you know, like,

we think about Ghost Hunters Now or Ghost Adventures or any show like that. You

know, Ghost Adventures are walking around. Come at me, ghost. You know, kinda thing. But

when you were walking around, you know, were you trying to communicate with the

spirits? Were you saying anything at the time that maybe then they

manifested in the photos? No. I was just it was just a

matter of just walking around the house, taking pictures, and doing alright. Fine. You know?

If you're here, you know? I mean, it it was you gotta

remember, I was very new to the whole idea of what we're

talking about. Sure. And I wasn't I'm not I'm I'm

very respectful of those that have passed away, so I'm not pushing

that agenda of

yeah. That kind of thing. I'm not is provoking them, I guess, is

the best way to say it. I'm not a person that would do that. I

think that's harsh, disrespectful, and quite honestly, it doesn't do

anything for anybody. It makes you look like an ass. It's what it makes you

look like. And if anything, it'll piss the spirit off,

I personally believe. I think that that's just, you know, asking

for trouble. And as a result, I wouldn't engage in that,

and it was just my way of being. I just don't do that. I think

it's worse, you know, to do that to something. I think, you

know, if you notice something's there and you wanna get its attention,

respectfully get its attention. Don't harass it.

And so when you guys were doing that initial investigation, you bring people over,

you know, you're getting some stuff from the pictures and maybe a little bit from

the film you took. Was anyone else getting there? Were they, either Yes.

Things moving around or felt touched or anything like that? Oh, yeah. The the first

time that you the it's, that was the first time

I met Al Makarian Wendy she was here. She heard or

she saw the apparition of 1 of, of Sharon

Tate, and she replied to me. She goes, I just saw your girlfriend. It's Mike,

what? I said, my girlfriend, she's she's not even here. What are you talking

and she described this woman walking around the house, and I'm Mike going,

And I'm like, well, to be honest with you,

that's not my girlfriend. And she described Sharon to

AT0, that's pretty cool. And so she's getting that

sense, that, you know, some of the people who were murdered

nearby are manifesting themselves in the

house. Yep. And so as that happens, you know, when did you

start maybe inviting more investigators in, and when

did this go from, you know, you're thinking, well, okay. If there's

going to be if there's gonna be a paranormal hot spot or as, you know,

somebody called it the Disneyland of the dead. The Disneyland for the dead and the

Mount Everest deposit houses. That was Barry Taft. Right.

You know, Barry Taft, we talked to Ben before. He's in the Demon House movie,

and and he's in a he's in a lot of different, paranormal investigations. But

when did you decide, okay. We're gonna get more ghost hunters here.

When did you decide to publicize it and maybe, try to get

more opinions on the activity that might be happening? Well,

after very I think it was Ghost Hunters,

had approached me to be on their show, the 2nd season or the

3rd season. Barry said, I don't want you to be on this. I said, why

not? He goes, because it'll it'll destroy my credibility.

And I was Mike, the berry, what do you wanna do?

I wanna use the house for for as a paranormal investigation

place for others to come and investigate around the world. I'm Mike,

no. We're not doing that. I said, we're not

gonna take that tact and do that here in my house.

When I live here, no. We're not gonna do that. I can't do that,

Barry. And, basically, Barry and I had a

falling out, And he said, well, I can't be involved with something that I

don't believe in, and I think it's disrespectful to my

integrity, blah blah blah. And I said, well, Barry, if that's the case, then you

just have to go. Because I I didn't wanna turn my house into, quote,

unquote, a paranormal, investigator's

hotbed for the world to come to. I just didn't find that to

be as something that was gonna happen. And I said, look, Barry. I live

here. I'm not gonna just turn my house into a, to the lack

of better words, a guinea pig. Sure. And that's basically what

happened. I just you know, we parted ways, and there was never any hard

feelings about it. It later on became a play a play of

Zach Bagans that he's bringing, you know, Barry and I together. It's Mike,

you're not doing anything of the sort. And

that's basically what it was, was Barry and I had a falling out, and it

was more to do with the fact that Barry wanted to do

something with the house that I was not interested in doing, which was Mike it

a a lab rat, for lack of better words. But you were okay with

people coming in to investigate it every once in a while? Well, what it was

is I had the ghost hunters come by, and

then after that, Lisa Williams called me up and said, I saw your house

on Ghost Hunters. I wanna see it. I'm like, who the hell is this? And,

oh, I said, oh, you. So I know who you are. I said, oh, yeah.

I'd be happy to have you. And she decided to come in the house and

do an investigation, and she had some strange

stuff happen to her hair. She had some really

strange things happen to her where she was the 1st psychic from

television that had come in the house that wanted to see it that I said,

you know, you can't bring your cameras in because I'm not gonna do it. She

goes, no. I'm coming by myself with my my manager, and we wanna go through

the house. Blah blah blah. And it's Mike, okay. Come on in. So when

she went through, it was Mike I don't wanna say exhilarating, but it was

fascinating because I hadn't had really any

psychics here. And when she went through the house,

she picked up stuff that was pretty gosh darn

substantial. And I was like, the what? She goes, oh, you got

this going on, that going on, and there's a big party in your bar. And

I'm looking at the bar going, I don't see a goddamn thing.

What are you what are you talking about? There's a party. And she goes, oh,

well, Sharon's there and Jay's there and there's some Native Americans there. And

they all want me to tell you they really appreciate you letting them stay here

and hang here. And I'm Mike going, hello?

Hello? And I'm like, oh, 0,

okay. So she then take I take her

downstairs to the 3rd level, and she goes through,

and she says to me, oh, we go into the earthen wall and she goes,

do you know there's a native American on horseback here? And I'm

like, what? And she goes, oh, yeah, he's he's there in the corner of

the earthen wall room and he wants me to talk to you and tell you

that, you know, his story. I'm Mike, what

the and she's just going on and on. And I'm Mike, just going

scratching my head going, what Beverly Hills? What what kind

of horse donkey story is this? That type of thing.

And about a year or 2 years later, I got 1 of the Benedict

Canyon, Association newsletters,

and there's an article about this Native

American incident that took place a 150 some odd years

earlier, a mile from my house. And on this

on the Beverly on the corner of Chevy Chase and Beverly and Benedict

Canyon is a boulder. And on this boulder is a bronze

placard. And on the bronze placard, it reads, this is to

commemorate the early battle between the early the battle between

the early Californians and the Native Americans, where the remains of 3

Native Americans were were buried or in and were were uncovered on this

spot when ground was first broken in 1925.

And I'm Mike, oh my god. So I did the research and found out that

in 1842, when this was still all part of

Mexico, that the Native Americans that lived here

basically baited upon this, Ranchero down there on

Alpine and Beverly Drive. I mean, Sunset Boulevard.

And, they basically had a running battle

all the way that ended a mile away from there and a mile away from

here in between the 2 properties, and in the middle of the

Walnut Grove, and 3 Native Americans were killed and were buried

right on the spot. And I'm Mike,

holy wow. That's unheard of. I don't

believe it. That's amazing. Oh Mike god. Oh my god.

Oh my god. And that's what the hell we came up with when I

found out that I I basically lost my marbles. So then

you then what turns into is, okay, that, this

might be a hot pet activity because it had such a, like, a

such a horrible event happened in 1969 that kind of

that focused, you know, such mental energy from across the

world and everything. It became a spotlight, on that

particular place and, like, a horrific event. But then you find out

that there's been more events that happened near there,

throughout history that make it seem like, well, maybe it's not,

just 1 event that happened here that kinda caused things. Maybe this is the

kind of place that attracts very powerful events to happen

there. And what I thought was reading your book, what I thought was interesting was

you talk about some of, the electromagnetic anomalies

that are in the house and in the area. And I was wondering if you

could go into that a little bit because this idea is like, okay. We've had

these horrible murders happen here. We've had these kind of, you know, Native

American settler battles, that happened

here. And now we're seeing that maybe there is

something to not just events that happened in those location,

but it's the location itself. Right. And as as well as had the

murders not taken place at the end of the street, this place would still be

a hotbed for activity. Well, even Barry Taft says that I think he says

that he had heard that specifically, you know, Benedict Canyon

was a place that had a lot of hauntings even

before, the Sharon Tate stuff happened. Yeah. There were a

lot of things that were going on here in the area with the paranormal activity.

Other people had experienced stuff before. So it's not like

we were the only isolated, incident of

that. But the fact is, is the way the house is and what

goes on here, that's what's different. We have a lot of stuff that goes

on here that doesn't, make a lot of sense. And even

there's there's a problem with compasses, right? Mike, the compasses do that point

to true north in the house? In certain parts of the house, a compass will

deflect and cannot find true north. Yes. Strange,

strange, like plus we have things like cold spots

and, energy that just you can feel in certain parts of the house.

You go into and you'll feel this energy just envelop you and you go, oh

Mike god. I I am finding it hard to breathe. I'm feeling I'm

going up several altitudes in a plane, but I'm not in a

plane, but I feel like I'm in a plane, and I feel, you know,

uneasy, queasiness. That kind of stuff happens here all the time.

And I think that's interesting too because isn't it also near a

earthquake fault? We do have an earthquake fault line going up Benedict

Canyon, but what Barry Tappett said was that he

thought it was pre seismic. I mean, pre volcanic, not

preseismic, meaning that there's a large lava tube in the

Earth below us, and the way that the house

is designed with a lot of steel in it, it's

magnifying and amplifying the naturally occurring EMF levels in the

earth and causing this kind of a wild, as you say,

setup of activity that's going on here. So when you

talk about, places with interesting history, you know, we think of

often as paranormal activity will happen in a place that has had a lot of

historical events or things that are maybe leaving

residual energy from very emotional and powerful events Mike

murders, like battles, things like that. But now we're

adding on it that, the planet itself

is unique. You know? So the house is built on a unique part of the

planet where you have a fault line. You know, it's into the

side of a mountain. And, specifically, like, you guys had

to do the steel for a certain reason. Right? Like, it was the steel part

of the rebar, or what what got you in there? Well, the the the fact,

like I said, the fact that we got lucky on the property and, you know,

the price and stuff, it was just it was 1 of those things I couldn't

turn away. My dad wanted to sell the house, and it's Mike, no. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. We're not doing that.

So, as far as the

you're talking about the movie now, the movie was inspired by the incidents that were

taking place in the house, and I wanted to write my story and do that.

And it still, to this day, has not been released. That's another

reason why I wrote the book was for people to get the story about The

House and the Hauntings and hope that somehow that would drive a little more

interest in possibly getting the movie out to theatrical release.

Sure. A couple more questions about the, about the book, though, and the stories

that came from it. First of all, you have stories from the people that,

like, in their own words. Mike, obviously, you quote Barry on a couple of things,

and then some of your Wendy, and it's their own writing. So it's

it's people who actually put their name to weird stuff that they saw

in the house. Yeah. I always like that because,

then you'll you can't just say, like, well, he misquoted me because you

actually have their quotes. So those are fun those are really fun stories

that a lot of different people have had extraordinary experiences

in the house. But then you have a couple stories yourself, and and 1 of

them that I think is really interesting on 2 levels. Number 1,

when Lindsay Lohan came to visit Yeah. And got

this a little bit about that story I'm interested in. And, also,

during the Lindsay Lohan visit, you mentioned that you seem to

hear Sharon Tate's voice. Oh, yeah. I'm

interested in hearing about those. So can you you don't have to go into the

entire story, but just a little bit of the Lindsay Lohan story and

how you hear that voice. Sure. It was,

Wednesday. It was the infamous day 7 years ago that she was

popped on, and it was all good news about her stealing the,

the necklace from that store. Well, a friend of mine

who's a producer called me up, and I'm watching television. It's all over the

news, so how can I not see that? And he goes, oh, David, how are

you? He goes, I'm fine. What's going on? I said, I had I was out

of the party last night, and I ended up meeting and talking to you for

the longest time, Lindsay. He goes, Lilo. And I'm going,

who? What's a Lilo? I mean, I and he goes, don't

you know he said, wait. He's talking about a cartoon character from Disney? What? Right.

And he goes, no. He goes, Lilo. Don't you know Lilo? I'm going, no. I

don't know Lilo. I'm not lying. What the is Lilo?

Lindsay Lohan. I'm like, oh, 0, yes.

Funny you should mention her. She's all over the news. And goes, what

about it? He goes, oh, well, you know, we were talking and she was up

for a while doing a biopic about Sharon Tate, yada

yada yada. We talked about you, and I mentioned your house, and she's

fascinated by it. She saw you on Ghost Hunters. She wants to come to see

the house. I said, oh, great. When? Tonight

in about 3 hours. And I was like, what?

3 what? I'm like, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. I said, I gotta clean the house up. So he goes,

we'll see you at 8. And I'm like, okay. Goodbye. Right.

So I run around the house. I get the place straightened up and all, you

know, and, he shows up. And I go to the front door, and

I open the door, and there she is. And I'm like,

wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. And I'm

like and all of a sudden, she starts talking, and I just lost all

all the air and just left the room. In a good way in a good

way or a bad way? Bad way. Like, there was no there was just, like,

every like, just just, like, escaping gas. And what the hell is this

about? I couldn't understand it to save my soul.

So I was Mike, I can't believe this. What the flying

you know, it's like how does this just just distasteful

is the word. It was just so Mike

But she was interested in taking a role as Sharon Tate, though. Right? So that's

1 of the reasons she wanted to go. And if she hears that the place

is haunted, maybe she can be connected to it. Kinda sorta. So I'm like,

okay. And I'm like, okay. This is gonna be painful. I can feel it

now. This is painful. So she comes in the house,

and she goes, I wanna see a ghost. The first word I'm talking about is

I wanna see a ghost. And I'm like, oh, crap. It's gonna

be 1 of these nights. Right. And I'm like, I don't believe

it. This can't be I said I couldn't have painted a more disparaging

photo, you know, image for a scene. And I'm like, oh, God.

I said, look. And I don't get starstruck because there's no point. They're

actors. That's what they do for a living. Fine. I don't put anybody on a

pedestal. Least of all, an actor and an actor. So I don't care who the

hell they are. And I said, look. I said, we're not on set,

Lindsay. I don't have a walkie talkie connect hooked up to

the to the, you know, the ghost language. I said, what do you expect me

to do? I started panting not panting. I started acting Mike I said,

okay. I got the walkie talkie man. I go ghost language 1 to ghost language

2. This is ghost language 1. I said, we need you to send up 2

3, apparitions. Miss Lohan would like to see 2 adults and a

young child apparition. You can send them up pronto, quick o, right

now, switch switch switch switch switch switch over.

And she gives me this dirty look Mike,

oh, you think you're so smart and smug Mike

you don't know who I am. And I'm thinking to myself, I know I know

who you are. I can feel your disgusting

vibe here in my house. God, I'm really not pleased with you being

here. And as far as I'm concerned, or the ghosts are concerned, they all

walked the hell out when you walked in. And that's what it felt like. It

felt like the the like, all the energy in the house just went kaput, just

ran away. Like, Wendy god. It's her. Get out. So later on

in the evening, we're downstairs watching some video clips of the shows I've

been on, and Wendy makes a comment saying, oh,

look, somebody likes to see themselves on television. And

I'm thinking to myself, you didn't just say that, did

you? You don't really mean that because I spent the past

3 hours being in the house and hearing your name bandied around

television and not in exactly the most positive light.

And I said to myself, I'm not gonna say that. I don't wanna be an

asshole and be lower myself to her level. So I start

passing around the room this book that I have

that I've gotten. Somebody had sent to me. It's a an old, like,

first grader's reader for kids. And inside of it, on the

first page, it's signed and inscribed from Sharon Tate to

her sister Patty. And,

inside this book was a note that I found that was from

Sharon to her mother. And, basically, I put

the note into a plastic sleeve to protect it so when people would see it,

they wouldn't get it all gummied up. It's inside the

book. I passed the book around to a bunch of people, including Lindsey's

sister's brother brother who was there. And then it got to

Lindsey, the last person to have the book and

note. I get them the the book back, and I open the

book, and I hear a voice, and it's Sharon. She goes, that little

is taking the note. And I'm like,

where's the note? Where's the note? And the last person who

had the book and note intact was Lindsay. So I look

at Lindsay, and I gave her this look and say, Lindsay, give me the

note back. And she goes into,

Oscar Academy Award winning acting 101 and

says, what note? I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like,

oh, you've gotta be kidding me. I'm, like, thinking that, like,

no. You don't do that in my house and think you're getting away with

that little But when you heard the voice, though, so it was it's like

it's almost like Sharon telling you that Oh, yeah. No. She said she goes, she's

god. And I was like, what? So I looked, and she goes, under her thigh.

And she was wearing this skirt, little miniskirt. And under her

thigh, I looked down. I see something glint in the light from

the from the ceiling. And I said, and I knew that there was nothing

there that could have been glinting because it's flat leather, so you can't have that.

And so I knew there was something there that was catching the light. So I

said, Lindsay, and Sharon said, it's there. And I said, Wendy. I said, Sharon

just said it's under your thigh. So she pulls it out,

and she goes, well, I want this. I want. I said, well, obviously, you want

it. Otherwise, you wouldn't have taken it. And she then says to

me she goes, well, how much do you want? And in Sharon's voice, she says,

she goes, a $1,000. She doesn't have it. So I

started. Well, I said, a $1,000, because I knew she didn't have it, Sharon

said. So she goes and she struts wifeling through her purse, and

she literally comes out of her purse with a with a with a

bunch of bills in her hand. And I'm like, what the

hell is this? And she says to me that

she goes, I have $600. I said, it's $1,000. And

she then says I said to her, I said, look, I said, I'm planning on

doing a TV show dealing with the paranormal, and every episode, we're

gonna have a different celebrity guest on. I said, I'll be happy to pay you

your regular, you know, your regular side rate to be on the show, and I

will give you the note for free for being on the show.

So what the hell did I get in response from her?

Oh, hell no. Over my dead body. And then I just looked at her and

I just grabbed the thickened note from her hand. I said, well, that will

be mine then for now forever then. And it was Mike,

what an insulting little twerpy thing to say

when somebody's giving you something for free that you want, and

you have the audacity to make that kind of a statement.

That's obscene. And I was really pissed off, to

be honest with. I was insulted. I was Oh, sure. She tried to steal your

memorabilia. Exactly. Well, there's a couple of

things in there that I think are interesting. Yes. And and number

1, I mean, it's it's a funny story. You know, like, oh, I wanna see

I'm I'm gonna play this character in a movie 1 day, so I I'd like

to meet her ghost. And then you have to deal with celebrity entitlement. You

know, those that that kind of story. But then the next thing is I'm interested

in Wendy did you start hearing the voice of Sharon Tate

and recognizing who it was? 2004

Wendy was walking down the driveway and I was at odds

with what I was doing as far as my career was concerned,

and I was just saying, what am I I

Wendy, what am I gonna do? I said, you know, I got this house, it's

great. I said, I've done a bunch of different things in my life. I've had

a rest run a run had a run had and owned a restaurant. I've

had a dog walking service. I've had a private investigation service.

I've had other things. I said, you know, what am I and then I saw

this vision, little got a maybe an 8

second video vignette that played out in my mind's

eye, and I'll never forget it. I'm it's me driving in

a beaten up 1964 convertible Mustang,

and as I'm coming up the driveway, I turn to my left, and I'm

going past the second house on the driveway, and I see this girl who's

dressed in 1969 attire.

And she's got the bandana, and she's smoking hot. And I'm, like, looking I turned

I'm I totally captivated her, but I'm still driving the car, Mike you, up the

street. So I turn my head to the left, and I'm looking at her, and

our eyes meet, and I'm, like, wow. And as I do that, I then

turn to my right immediately as I start to notice that the car is starting

to go down this the hillside if I don't turn quickly and avoid

that. So I turn correct the steering wheel. I turn it to the right, and

I I save myself from going down the mountain. And the next thing you notice

is the camera cuts to the side shot from the passenger side,

panning across my face and up into the rear view mirror, showing nothing

in the rear view mirror. And I I was Mike

it's like it was just that quick of a brief of a vignette, and I

was like, what the hell was that? It was totally outside of

my own cognitive realm of thinking. And I was like, that was wild.

What the hell was that? And then I heard a voice say, it's Sharon.

I want you to write this down. And I said, it's Sharon.

Sharon who? And then it was Mike ding, ding, ding, ding. It's like, I don't

know any Sherans, but I do know that there was a Sharon that lived on

this driveway some 30 some odd years earlier.

And, oh Mike god, that's who the hell that must be.

So I ran back to the house, I grabbed a legal pad, and I started

writing down in detail what I had seen in my mind's eye.

And, literally, this type of in in these

incidents of me stopping in the middle of whatever I was doing, didn't

matter where or when I was doing it, I'd see a vignette.

And it was a different vignette, and it wasn't like it was the same thing

of me. It was just another piece of a puzzle, as I would say.

And I knew immediately I had to go back and write down what I had

just seen in detail so I'd have a record of it. And

after about 3 months, I ended up with, like, around 35,

40 pages of these different vignettes that

didn't make any sense to me. So I called a friend of

mine who's who's a screenwriter, and he

said to me, alright. I'll come over. You gotta make dinner. It's like, alright. Fine.

So I made dinner. He comes over. He looks over these

things, and he says all these vignettes are scenes

disparate scenes from what could be assembled as a movie.

And a screen planner said, okay. So we took them all, and we cut cut

up all the pieces, all the vignettes out of the pages, and literally

had, like like, 4 inches and 3 inch slabs

of paper with different vignettes that I had recorded. And

we assembled them into a screenplay and put them into

what what would we would now call as the story of house at the end

of the Drive, and that's what it became. So you would say that

the House at the End of the Drive is actually would be cowritten by the

spirits, you know, the ghosts of Salo Drive. Yeah. As I said in the

beginning of the movie, it says this film was inspired by by the peep by

the by the by was it this by the

true story that took place, and that it was it was

something to the effect of saying that this this was inspired by those who died

down the street from my house, and their their spirits are still not

at rest. And, basically, it was her story that she

gave to me that Jimmy and I ended up refining and

creating and turning into the movie, House at the End of

the Drive. Yeah. So you talk about that process in the book. I think it's

interesting how, like, you put these vignettes together. You take it to your screenwriter friend,

and he's like, oh, you put it together like this. We can make a movie

out of it. Right. And so you have a paranormal inspired

fiction movie, you know, that's based on some things that

have happened to you as well as, like you said, half half fantasy,

half reality. And the book, The Ghost of Salem Drive,

is your story of what's happened to you and happened to your

friends since you've, you know, built the house,

moved in, and started having weird experiences. And also, there is a

great story about your girlfriend, having some ghost

sex with Jay Sebring, in there too. That's pretty funny. That's a

good tale as well. And I encourage if you guys are interested

in, like, the geography of the area and,

the history of the Manson family, this is an interesting

paranormal take on that. And so if people are interested in getting a copy

of Ghost of Cielo Drive, where can they find that, Dave? The only place that's

available right now, and I apologize I have not had the time and the money

to to go out and do the audiobook or do the Kindle version,

It's right now only in print version, and that's available at ghostsofcialadrive.com.

And it's $20 for the unsigned copy. If they want a signed copy from

me, it's an extra $5. So it's $25. And it's a

unique take on the paranormal because I don't play

these, I'm scared, I'm afraid, this is gonna hurt me,

I'm terrified of spirits. It's a real

calm, rational, experience

driven story of my experiences here in the house and that

of others without any of the fluff and the fear and the the

paranormal, you know, BS that people like Zach Baggins

like to push the, the envelope on because that's just

bull and Well, you know, what I enjoyed about the book I think is,

number 1, it does go into some, you know, the history of it. You do

talk about the Native American stuff. You also get into, I mean, it

does get into the different electromagnetic anomalies that

have happened there as well. So it's more than just the

history creating the ghost stories. It's the history plus the

location plus the geography, and that makes for a lot of

thought provoking, incidents. Plus, I mean, so many people in their own

words write about the stories that have happened at The Omen House. And

you, of course, have, I mean, have been on several different TV shows. A

100 different paranormal teams have investigated the place. And if

people are are interested in investigating it themselves, breaking out their k

2 meters and their, their SLS cameras. Where can they

find information if they wanna check out the house at the end of the

drive? Well, right now, that we're working on trying, like I said, try to get

them to theatrical. They can go to house at the end of the drive.com

to look at stuff about the movie. They can go to the

YouTube channel, youtube.comforward/davidomen.

That's 0MAN. And they can see the videos have

been shot here because we have 19 HD 1080p

cameras with infrared capability and audio

throughout the house. Outside, we have 5 others.

They record 247. We just had, as a matter of fact,

Jojo Wright from KIIS FM

Radio here last night because he's gonna be out here on Wendy doing a

Mike streaming video and broadcast from the

house. And, we had

some very substantial stuff that I'm actually

going through after I get off the podcast, and I'm gonna load up to

YouTube. We had a voice that

we recorded that they heard and that we recorded on the closed

circuit cameras. It was just there was some other

crazy stuff happening here that they were like, oh,

no. No. I heard a knock. It's like, no. We didn't hear a knock. We

heard a man's voice say, oh, yeah. I was like, no. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. We all heard it.

It's like, yeah. That was a man's voice. And it was just the 3

of us. So it was just it's

just, it's a never ending type of a story of the

experiences in the house that are, as I call it, they're unique. Because

these people wanted to see something, and I said, well, whether it happens or it

doesn't, I can't guarantee it. And it happened, man.

And they were, like, dumbstruck and going, let's watch the video.

Let's watch and they watched the video and go, oh Mike god. Oh my god.

Who the who who who's that the voice whispering in

between our talking? It's like, uh-uh, that was 1 of them. And they

were like, oh, no, man. We heard it. We heard it. It

was it it to me, it's never it's always

entertaining because I take this type type of

attack. I remove the religiosity aspect paranormal, I don't

play that because that's just man's way of controlling man through dogma, and the fact

is we're all going to perish from this Earth at

some point in our lives. Our lives will cease to exist

on this plane of existence. Our lives will will cease

to exist on this plane of existence. To be afraid

of those that have passed away before us, that are coming back to

visit us, is so unfounded and so insane

Wendy you think about it, rationally speaking, you're afraid of your aunt or

your uncle who's dead, who's coming back to visit you, and you think they're gonna

hurt you? Really? What in the hell

just the the BS about the whole story. That's the devil, and they knocked 3

times. Bull Antimony, the the triumphant of the 666,

the mark of the devil, is historically the mark of

ancient Rome. It was the Roman tax stamp in a goddamn triangle

with 3 sixes in it, and everything that came from abroad in outer

lane regions regions of the, Roman empire,

as well as items in the Roman empire were traded and transferred,

were taxed heavily by the Romans. That's why the

early Christians saw the 666 in a triangle as the

mark of the devil, because they're being persecuted on this plane

of existence on Earth by the Roman government. So

that was the mark of the Roman government. It had nothing with the devil

on on on the ethereal plane. It had to do with the devil

incarnate on the physical plane that they were living on.

So when people say it's the mark of the devil, shut the hell up and

just realize historically it's the mark of the Roman tax stamp.

That's it. Not devil, not anything to do with Satan,

period. End of story. Well, and the thing is and if you guys

enjoyed this conversation, you're gonna enjoy that kinda same Mike of forthright

discussion, that he has in the book. Plus there's great pictures. You guys are the

Hollywood Ghost Hunters, you know, which

is Mike Kane Hodder from, Friday

13th goes around and does ghost adventures too. And

just diff it's a lot of pictures, a lot of stories, and

it's a very, well, it's a very original take

on the spirits, Ghosts of Cielo Drive, the afterlife

of Sharon Tate, and the Spirits of the Omen House. Thank you, David

Omen, for taking your time with us today. Yeah. Good luck with the book, man.

It's really it's it's it's really interesting. Well, if you ever make it out to

the West Coast and you wanna hit me up and come and see the house,

go right ahead. I'll be happy to bring you for a private tour here and

let you experience it for yourself firsthand and feel it and and

and be a part of it so you can enjoy it.

For the song inspired by my conversation with David Oman this week,

we were inspired by the cult of celebrity around Sharon Tate,

Charles Manson, and true crime in general. We just can't get

enough of real life drama with these entertainers we've elevated to

princes and princesses, but that fame has a price. And

sometimes that price is a pound of flesh.

A map to the stars and a map to

graveyards. I wanna know where the bodies are buried,

where history comes alive. Mike, I'll see

yellow little drive I wanna be as seen on

TV.

A map to the stars and a map to

graveyards. I wanna know where the bodies are buried,

where history comes alive like y'all

see yellow drive. I wanna be

as seen on TV.

Lifestyles of the rich and famous. This sapphire

side is heinous. Clean out and just like

us. When they're on blood and guts, another piece of me, another piece of

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike, see you on the other side. Hey, everybody. It's

Wendy. And before we end the episode, I just have a quick

announcement. In case you happen to be going to wizard world in Madison this

weekend, Mike and I will be recording a live podcast there

on Saturday, October 26th at 2 o'clock PM. So if

you're there, please come and join us. We'd love to have you in the audience

and we'd love to meet you. Also, Mike, along with our co

host Allison Jornland and our good friend Lisa from Madison Ghost Walks

will be leading a panel discussion called haunted road trip

on Sunday, October 27th at 11:30 AM.

So again, if you happen to be at Wizard World in Madison, we'd love to

see you at either of these, and it's gonna be a really fun perfect for

Halloween kind of conversation. And finally, I want to extend

our gratitude to our wonderful Patreon community. The great friends that

we've met through the podcast, see you on the other side and have supported

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A bonus shout out goes to Doctor. Ned, who is

pledging us at a level that he gets this custom shout out. He's basically an

executive producer for our program. And Ned, you're wonderful. Thank you so

much. Thanks to everybody for listening and have a great week.

If it was meant to be, it was meant to be, but it had to

be. And that's what ended up happening, you see.