Dermatology is one of the hardest PA jobs to get with no derm experience. Amanda Lark got one anyway.

And she didn't do it by applying to postings and waiting. She got creative about how she reached out, which is the part of this episode I'd rewind if I were you. Most good first jobs are not filled off a job board.

Her road to PA school wasn't smooth either. She hit obstacles and kept going, and she's clear that stubbornness is an underrated qualification for this whole process.

We also talk about what a derm PA actually does all day, because it's a specialty people picture completely wrong - it's not all cosmetics, and skin cancer is a serious part of the job.

If you already know you want a competitive specialty out of school, start building toward it now.

What we cover:

• Landing a derm job without derm experience
• How she approached practices instead of waiting on job postings
• What a dermatology PA does day to day
• Obstacles on her path to PA school and how she got past them
• Why hands-on patient care shaped her more than anything else
• Advice for anyone targeting a competitive specialty

Resources:

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Pre-PA Counseling: https://www.thepaplatform.com/services/pre-pa-counseling

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I love when we get to talk about dermatology on the podcast.

So we have a fellow derm PA Amanda Lark joining us and her story is pretty crazy because she went from no experience in dermatology to kind of working around to get a derm PA position.

It's pretty cool.

So we'll talk about her experience as being a PA and PA school and all those fun things.

Welcome to the Pre PA Club podcast.

If you want to learn how to become a physician assistant, you're in the right place.

I'm your host, Savannah Perry.

Let's get to it. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the podcast. If you're new here, I'm Savannah. I am a part time dermatology PA.

I've been a PA now for almost 10 years, which is wild. Like, I can't believe it. That does not seem real.

And so we're not going to get into how long ago it was when I was in college and all that stuff. But I'm just kidding. I'm an open book and it is just crazy how time flies and how.

I've been doing this for so long. But I love what I do. I love being a PA. I love helping people become PAs and talking about our great profession.

So that's what I do through the PA platform and probably why you're here at the Pre PA Club podcast. Today's episode is another really great interview.

So we have Amanda Lark on and I'll put all of her information and Instagram in the comments or the description so you can find her.

We tag her on social media as well, but she talks about her experience with reapplying to PA school and then working as a page, thinking she wanted to do dermatology and struggling to find a job and how she ended up essentially getting into the field, which is a question I get all the time. How do I become a dermatology pa?

So I really admire her approach to.

It and her persistence and I'm happy to share it today on the podcast. I did want to mention, as we're moving into CASPA season, don't forget that we're have some webinars coming up.

We have a live personal statement editing webinar on April 11th and that will be. It's completely free. 3.

We're just going to talk about how to edit a personal statement, what you should have in your essays and go through them together.

And then we will be doing a lot of personal statement focused stuff in our Pre PA academy, which enrollment is still open for that you can watch all of the sessions we've had so far and join us for any of the sessions coming up.

That is where we meet weekly four times a week with myself and the other PA platform coaches to go over pretty much everything you need to have your application ready to go when CASPA opens.

You can always use the code Future.

PA for a discount on any of the services on our website. So hopefully that is helpful to you. But if you have any questions, reach out. Let me know. Happy to help.

Let's get into hearing from Amanda and I hope you enjoy this episode. Bye guys.

I love just getting to share different stories and perspectives and I think it helps our pre PA and MPA student listeners to hear from people who they feel were similar to them but are aware they want to be in the future. This will be really helpful for them to hear.

But yeah, we can jump in and you can give us a little intro, tell us who you are and then we'll go from there.

My name is Amanda Lark and I've been a PA for 21 years and the last 10 years I've worked in dermatology and the rest of that time was emergency department. A little sprinkling of urgent care and wound care.

Nice.

I've been in Durham now for 10 years and that's all I've ever done. I'll be interested to hear how our roles are similar and different.

That's a great question. I always knew I wanted to work in the medical field and all I knew at the time was doctor, nurse.

We didn't really know much about the allied health professions and I went to a small liberal arts private college and I worked at a gym. I taught aerobics and I ran into a surgery scrub tech at the gym and he said hey, I know a PA if you ever want to shadow him and I'll back it up.

This was pre Internet. So in the dark ages there was this library called the Health Science library with file cabinets with professions on paper. I rummaged through there.

I found a few folks I wanted to shadow and came across this pa. I organized an independent study off campus. So my college has a class called January Term Jan Term.

I used one of the JAN terms for my profession to organize the independent study to shadow some PAs and and they encourage one abroad. And so I just used that time to really make sure this is what I wanted to do.

And I never actually made it around the corner to the other folks, but I shadowed cardiothoracic surgery, I shadowed internal medicine. I was able to see how PAs function in different roles and I just knew that that was what I wanted to do. I was hooked.

And actually my college at the time, it's a really big pre med institution.

I somehow come across this pre med committee that they conduct interviews and then they give recommendations for the pre med students based on the interview and somehow stumbled across that and I asked them to interview me. I spent the whole time telling them about what I learned about the PA professor.

Now Austin College, where I went to school, is starting a PA program and I'll bring it full circle and be one of their instructional faculty members.

That's so cool. I love that you're able to have kind of some career development in your academics.

When you were deciding PA decided that's what you wanted to do, what did you choose as far as major? What kind of steps did you take to get towards that goal?

So I took a lot of the pre med classes, the prerequisite classes, and it was a basic liberal arts degree, so we had to know a little bit about everything. And I really believe in being well rounded anyway, so I just made sure I took all the prerequisite classes and I didn't get accepted the first time.

I didn't actually have all the prerequisites. I said, you know, I'm so excited, I want to apply. And here I am.

I worked as a nurse's aide, so at the time I was able to do that without a license and was able at least get some hands on patient care experience, which was helpful. I didn't get accepted the first time. By the time you find out you're not accepted, it's almost time to reapply. It's about that time.

So I went to respiratory therapy school.

They hire respiratory therapy students after the first semester to give breathing treatments and do oxygen checks and in hopes that that student will stay when they graduate. So I was able to work at Parkland in Dallas, the teaching hospital where Kennedy was taken when he was shot, and big teaching institution.

And that's where I ultimately ended up training at UT Southwestern. But I took the scenic route for sure.

That's great experience though. I mean, really, really great stuff that I feel like would only help you in PA school and then probably in more of like ER setting.

Maybe not so much in Durham. So when you were going through your application process, I know you said you didn't have all the prereqs done when you were choosing schools.

What were you looking for as far as PA programs?

They didn't have the Casper. There's no central agency, so we had to apply individually to different programs. I applied to different programs.

The person I shadowed went to Emory, so I applied to Emory. I applied to the Texas schools because I lived in Texas, but I was willing to relocate, and I also wanted to train near a large institution.

I thought, I'm only doing this once. I want to go to the best school that I can. And I was willing to wait for it.

The second year I interviewed, and I was an alternate, but they don't tell you which alternate you are, and they are utilized. So I thought, well, at least I'm making some traction. And then the third time I got in, so there's some things I did along the way that was helpful.

I went to an information session at the program, ended up attending. They're always faculty members there. They have this PowerPoint presentation. I don't know if they still do it.

Whoever I saw that day was actually in my interview. And I had a physical therapist I worked with who arranged these businessmen to conduct a mock interview for me.

And they didn't know anything about the medical field, but at least they could give me some feedback on interview style and some tips. But just anything you can get your hands on while you're waiting is so helpful.

How did you stay encouraged or excited about the process? That's something I've found with reapplying, is that it can just feel like, oh, man. Like, am I ever gonna get there and.

And get a little disheartening? So did you ever feel that, or were you just like, no, I know this is what I want to do. I'm just gonna keep working on it until I get there?

Absolutely.

It's really easy to feel discouraged, especially if you know people who are getting accepted and you're like, they were stacking groceries while I'm working in a hospital. And the comparison game just doesn't boost morale. I just tried to stay laser focused on my goal and reverse engineer it.

This is where I want to be, and I'm doing everything I can to get there, and I just have to stay in that lane and not worry about what everybody else is doing. But I can say, looking back and once I got accepted, that it's not failure. It's just a temporary setback. It's Not a permanent failure.

All of those things that you do along the way, it's not wasted. It all matters.

And it actually made PA school so much easier and put me in a much more competitive position for jobs and awards at school and definitely pay dividends. Making the most of that time. It was definitely disheartening at times.

That's a good perspective. It is hard when you're in it and it feels so long, like a year or six months or whatever. It feels like an eternity.

But then in the grand scheme of things, when you look back, you're like, oh, that was such a small, small time and such a small part of my life. But while you're going through it, it's hard to have that until it's over. I feel like as I've gotten older, that's just how a lot of life is.

Not just so. It was a good learning experience, but it never really ends after PA school either.

Have to have some joy along the way. It can't be, oh, when I get into school, my life is complete because you have to enjoy a little bit of life along the way.

And so once I got into PA school, I ran a marathon in PA school. Most of my first pregnancy was in PA school.

Okay.

Life kept going.

Oh, I wanted to hear about that. So, okay, so you got in, got to PA school. Was it what you expected or easier, harder?

It was definitely rigorous. It was what I expected it to be. Just like anything in life, you have to have really good boundaries.

The people in your life are not going to understand it unless they're going through it with you. I just knew, like Hamilton, I'm not going to waste my shot. This is my shot. I had a lot to prove to myself it took me this long.

I'm not messing this up. This is my priority. And you have to be creative with your studying. I wrote the Public bus downtown.

I did the park and ride, and studied on the way to school, studied on the way back to keep the notes fresh. You just have to be very creative to make it all happen.

It's such a different time because it's so much information all at once. And it's just a whirlwind where you're trying to stay caught up, but you really can't get ahead. At any point. You're just staying with the flow.

You mentioned having a pregnancy during PA school, which, interestingly enough, no one in my class got pregnant or had babies during PA school. That was odd. The class before me had some pregnancies. The class after me did how was that? I'm assuming I was on rotations.

It was during the rotation year, so I was in PA school on rotations during 9 11. I was out of town at my internal medicine rotation, and I was training for the marathon.

I ran the marathon in December, and then I just got the baby bug. All of a sudden, the baby bug hit me, and I did the whole calculation of, okay, when am I going to be out of school?

Because I didn't want to start a job and go, oh, hey, I need to take off, and there's no perfect time, right? So it worked out where most of my call rotations were already completed when I got pregnant. So it was just as if I was at a 9 to 5 job.

And I graduated August of that year, took the certification exam in September. I had him in October. So he's 21 now, in college.

And I interviewed for my job in the ER when he was two weeks old and then started working after new Year. So I built him my own little maternity leave. But new mom, new pa, it was a challenge. It was sink or swim. I just knew I had to do it.

And I knew if I got into PA school, I could run a marathon. If I can get into PA school and run a marathon, I can work at my job.

You know, all of this success builds and gives you that confidence, and you just have to take it one thing at a time.

No, I love that. That's awesome. A girl at the class before me, she didn't plan hers quite as well.

She finished rotations, graduated, took boards, and had her baby the next day, just in time. Just barely made it there. No, that's awesome.

And I think that's good for people to hear because a lot of people feel like they have to put their life completely on hold to become a pa. You said something else about just making choices about your boundaries and decisions you make. And I feel very strongly the same way that life has to go on. I planned a wedding and got married during PA school, which people thought I was insane.

They're like, what are you doing? Like, you're not supposed to do that. They told you not to do that. Which was true, but I was like, I don't want to wait two more years.

Life has to go on. Is your son interested in medicine at all?

No, not at all.

No.

I have a daughter in college as well, and she's in nursing school. She's the one with the medical bug. Interesting.

That's. I have two kids, five and seven, almost eight months, and I'm. I'M wondering right now.

My five year old does say she wants to be a pa, but I think she just doesn't know anything else. I'm interested to see where they end up in the future. So going into your first job, did you want to go into er?

Is that what you were thinking or how did that come to be?

Surgery was always a love of mine.

Because I'd shadowed the cardiothoracic surgery PA and because it took a couple of years to get accepted accepted, I decided to just go into the emergency department. That was kind of my exit strategy from surgery when I made my grand plan. So I just jumped into the ER and I learned a lot.

So for the, the pants exam and recertification, you have a lot of experience to pull from and in the material and a lot of experience that can lead you anywhere if you want to change specialties.

And I was able to work a lot of random shifts and then have a lot of time at home and hang out with mom friends who are at home and do things that stay at home moms do. So I felt like at the time I was able to have the best of everything. But the schedule is the best and worst part of the emergency room.

You have to fake your kids out and have Christmas on a different day. And then once they start school, they know and so it becomes a little bit more challenging.

I enjoyed the ER too. I just can't do broken bones. They freaked me out. And so my ER was like, this is not for you. He was like, you need to do something else.

You said you did urgent care too. Is that at the same time or.

I was transitioning out of full time er.

The company I worked for had started in urgent care, so I was able to kind of transition into the urgent care, but I still would pop in and work some shifts in the er.

Nice. What was the most fun, the best part about working in ER Urgent care?

There's definitely a lot of energy and you see such a variety. See, you just don't know what you're going to get.

And you can hop in a room and there's a kidney stone and in the next room there's a heart attack and in the next room you're suturing. And I did enjoy the people that I worked with. You really bond with those stressful times.

And I like doing all the procedures and that's what ended up leading me to dermatology. Ultimately, the procedures.

Yeah, it's a good mix there when you can have a little bit better schedule too.

Right.

I'm sure. You get questions all the time, because.

I know I do.

Of like, how'd you get into Durham? How'd you find it? How'd you do it? What was your like, How'd you do it?

I feel like there's a lot of gatekeeping in Durham because it's so competitive. I have a lot of takeaways, but one of those, just be open.

I had a friend out of state, and I don't know if she's still doing this, but Mary Monroe is the former wife of Joe Monroe who started the sdpa.

Oh, cool.

I had a friend who said she likes to be a matchmaker. And so she has this mini resume. You fill it out and she'll give you a list of jobs available. And this is her hobby.

Again, I don't know if she's still doing it. And she gave me a list and I knew some of those positions were filled, but it gave me a base. It gave me a list of people to contact.

So I contacted everybody on the list and there was some plastics overlap.

So I would say for people who are interested in derm and maybe can't get in, plastics has a little bit of overlap as well, so that might be worthwhile to pursue. Or mohs. So I contacted everybody, and actually my supervising physician now is one of the contacts.

But at the time, I didn't have the derm experience, so I went to conferences and I had my third child at the time, and on my days off, I would pay a babysitter and go shadow people. And I ended up applying for MA jobs on Craigslist.

I was like, I need to think outside the box here and get creative because I need to pay for my babysitter. I need to develop some real connections, so I just need to think outside the box a little bit. And somebody responded to it. And I said, I'm a pa.

Here's what I really want to do, but I'll take anything.

And actually, somebody was pregnant and said, hey, if you train, you can be her maternity leave, and then you can shop around with a little bit of experience. We may not have anything on the other side of it, but at least you'll have some kind of experience to go from.

And this physician had two offices, and once the PA came back from maternity leave, the other PA said, don't go anywhere, I'm pregnant now. So I ended up backfilling her spot.

She ended up staying home for a little while, and eventually I left when the practice sold and she backfilled me again. So it worked out for everybody. You just have to be creative and be willing to do anything. If it is something you want to do, don't go. I'm a pa.

I don't want to be an ma. I would have worked at the front. I would have done anything to develop the contacts because I wanted it badly enough.

Yeah. I feel like you have probably seen two people be like, don't take that salary. Don't do training, don't sacrifice. That looks bad for all of us.

But I agree. I think to get your foot into derm, sometimes it does take being creative or being open. Are you still at your first job?

No. Okay. Yeah.

My first job was I was a new grad and my surgery preceptor knew the dermatologist and had actually gotten the first PA that they hired her job there and she was moving. And he said, I think you're going to be a great fit. Let me put in a recommendation.

And so I went over an interview and all that, and the salary they offered was pretty low, I'll say it, because I don't really care at this point, but it was $60,000 base salary. And they're like, you're probably not going to get any commission or bonus your first year, at least.

But after that, there was a commission kind of structure in place, and two other PAs in town had turned it down, and they were already practicing. One was in urgent care and one was in nephrology, and they had turned it down because of the salary. And I was like, I'm a new grad.

I don't know anything. They're going to have to train me.

And I was kind of thinking in the long term, and I was like, if I can get there and I can prove that I'm a hard worker, I'm ready to learn. I see great earning potential. Like, I can eventually do better, whatever in the long run.

My first year, the doctor that hired me went out on maternity leave, so I had to cover for her. So I've seen a ton of patients. And then we ended up partnering with another practice and that other physician went out on maternity leave.

Both of them took like four and a half months, by the way. And I covered for her, too. And so I did end up bonusing my first year because I was having to see a bunch of patients.

It was like jump in the deep end kind of thing. It worked out fantastically, but I guess I kind of took a chance.

And a lot of people would have said no just based on the base salary, but I wanted to do it. I wanted to do the procedures, I wanted to learn, I wanted to be in derm. It felt worth it to me.

I think that's good perspective to have for anyone thinking they want to get into a specialty and just it may not happen right away. It may be something that you are working towards for a while.

One of the physicians that was on that initial list is the physician I work for now. I would, I would stay in touch with him and I would say, okay, I went to this conference and now I have this experience, experience with this job.

And our timing wasn't favorable. And then finally the stars aligned and I've been there almost five and a half years.

Okay, cool. So I ended up switching because after I had my daughter, I wanted to go part time. And the practice I was at originally, they weren't down for that.

So I like just want to prioritize family.

But I don't want to stop being a derm pa. And I found a place that lets me work two days a week now I work Mondays and Tuesdays, so that's a good, good balance. But having that experience made it so much easier to find another job. And I'm in a smaller town, so experienced PAs are not that common.

And so it was very easy for me to make the switch. The tip that I always tell people, especially on rotations if you are in school, is talk to the drug reps.

I feel like they know a lot of open positions and because they work all over and have these huge networks, a lot of times they can find people.

At a friend who I helped her get a job in Houston, even though I'm in Georgia, just knowing reps. And then she moved to Charleston and was able to get a job there through drug reps also. So what does your schedule look like as far as working now?

I work Monday through Friday, I have a shorter day on Fridays, and I see patients either 8 to 5 or 8:30 to 5:30. And then I do the charting at night and I try to do the charting during lunch.

So I have to have really good boundaries about lunch is my headphone time where I needed to grind and get some of those things done to minimize the work at home. And we also work one Saturday a month for a half day. And I just call it a princess shift because it's better than the er.

But for dermatology you have to have a clientele and so you have to be available when they can come in. You may have that patient that's only off on Tuesday. And if you're not there Then they're going to see someone else.

So I would encourage anybody building up to try to work a lot just to develop that patient base. You can always scale back later. But I work a lot, and I'm just in a place that's unfortunate that it's busy.

Every derm job I've come across was relieving someone from maternity leave. It just happened to work out that way. But this is a busy area. Even within the Dallas Fort Worth metroplex, all the clinics are different.

The things that I saw are different, and the level of busy is different and the culture is different. So even within one area, there's a lot of variability.

On a full workday, typically, how many.

Patients are you seeing in the 30s,.

I feel like that blows people's mind whenever they ask, like, how many patients do you see a day?

Or they hear, how many we see In Durham, I feel like I usually start with about 35 on my schedule, and then between no shows or cancellations, ends up a little bit lower, or some days the opposite. And people are calling and they have to add, what is your mix as far as are you medical, surgical, cosmetic?

At this office, it's medical and surgical.

I have done cosmetics, and at this office, I worked for a physician who has several locations, and they have a plastic surgeon, they have mohs, they have nurse injectors, and they have a whole cosmetics side next door. So I just do the medical dermatology, which is great. It works out perfectly.

And I actually met the nurse injector at a cosmetics conference a long time ago, so we already had a rapport. I'm okay with that right now.

At first, I didn't want to lose those skills, but we're so busy, and if you're not doing cosmetics pretty regularly, I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing it all of the time if I didn't do it enough to keep those skills. I mean, Botox is easy, but filler, some of those other techniques and modalities, I definitely wouldn't want to just do it sparingly.

Yeah, I agree. I'm mainly medical with surgical than cosmetic the least at this office.

And it's a lot of Botox and a few of my filler patients who I've just had over the years, the physician does a lot more of our injectables in this office. As far as your scope, your level of autonomy, how independently are you practicing, how accessible are the physicians there?

There's always a physician with me and sometimes more than one physician and other PAs. So I feel like I always have somebody. If I need access to someone to ask a question, I don't.

I have autonomy in terms of what kind of medicines I can use for acne or for whatever condition I'm seeing. I'm not micromanaged that way. So I have the flexibility as long as it's appropriate, of course.

But I do always have someone available and my physician travels among his other locations so he's with me one day a week.

As far as surgeries or surgical procedure stuff, are you doing excisions? What is your surgical side look like?

Excisions and punch excisions. And if there's something that I don't want to do or don't feel comfortable doing, then I let someone else do it.

Same. Yeah. So we're very similar. Do you take any call? That's another question that comes up a lot.

Not necessarily call. There is an after hours line where calls can get forwarded to me. So I have had maybe two or three calls, maybe a call a year. Talk. Yes.

We don't get a lot.

It's. It's very, very rare. So I know sometimes people worry about that. I haven't had an issue with that.

Yeah, I haven't either. We also have an after hours line and the medical assistants take the calls we don't get a lot.

And then if they ever have a question, they send it to us. We talk about work life balance, which is such a catchphrase, Hot topic.

But I do feel like derm has probably as close as you can get to a good work life balance in, in my opinion. Have you felt like it's a good choice from a family perspective? It works or does. Do you ever think about maybe doing something else?

Like for somebody maybe trying to decide, oh, would I go something like er, shift work or should I look for something more clinic work?

I don't think anything's perfect. It just depends on what's most important to you.

Because dermatology, I work more days than I did before, but I have a regular sleep cycle and don't miss the holidays with my family. So there's always a trade off. You can always change it up. So there are PAs in Durham who work as medical science liaisons.

They branch off and they teach, they do other things and so it's nothing's permanent. Right. If what's the worst thing that can happen? You try it and you figure out, hey, maybe this is too much for me. Go part time or job share.

What's tricky about dermatology is they have to hire a staff to work with you.

So if you're part time, the people who are hired to work with you need to be part time or somebody else has to be the full time equivalent on the other side of it. So I understand that perspective as well, but nothing's permanent.

I would just tell anybody to do what you love and then if it doesn't work, massage your plan and figure out something that's going to give you that balance that you need.

Yeah, I agree. That was my big thing was prioritizing family. And my husband has a weird schedule where he's seven on, seven off.

So if I'm working a five day work week, we really only would see each other every other weekend. And that just didn't really make sense.

I was very lucky where the physician I worked for, she basically said, you make your schedule and we'll make it work. And she works an interesting schedule. She takes off every other Wednesday and every other Friday.

That's just how she prefers to work and does best and gets to do things with her kids and wants to make sure we can do things with our kids. If you want a specific job or setup or something, it's out there.

You may sacrifice something, it may be specialty, it may be location, but there's just so many options. As a pa, which is really cool. How do you feel like the profession has changed since you started?

There's definitely more private equity, more acquisition.

Yeah.

Business folks come in and buy the practice. That's happened to me twice and it does change the culture a little bit. So I'm fortunate.

I'm in a place right now with a private Lyon physician group and I'll ride that wave as long as I can.

I don't have any reason right now to do anything different, but I've definitely seen those changes because there's some physicians who probably benefit from that because they don't have to run the office. I can understand that.

On the flip side though, they can make other decisions about your down to the band aids, what you're able to use in your schedule, and it definitely changes the landscape. That's the main change that I've seen in my area. There's a lot of growth in our area, so more offices pop up and then it dilutes the clientele.

So for folks who want to stay busy, just really depends on where you work. There's a lot of saturation in some areas, whereas other areas are wide open.

We're just now starting to see both of those things a little bit more.

It was kind of like all of the dermatologists when I first started retired all at once and there weren't many offices and now it's building back up with some new ones. And then we just had our first private equity people come in and buy two offices.

It's interesting seeing the shifts there and how that works and how it affects everybody.

Thank you so much for sharing with everyone and your insights to our great Is there anything you just love about being a PA or on the flip side that you feel like people should know before they use the profession?

I think you just really need to take an inventory of who you are, what you want. Nothing is perfect. They're going to be pros and cons most of the time. It doesn't bother me, but you have to do more with less.

Don't go into it asking for respect and the accolades like a physician. You have to do it because you really love it and find the specialty that works for you.

And it may take a little trial and error and that's okay because you're learning. I really remember what that felt like and just remember that it's. It's not a no, it's a not right now. If it doesn't work out right away.

Those are great tips. Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me. It.