Dan talks with Susan, Upper House's communications manager, on the unique way we understand our thematic areas of interest at Upper House. We call these our pathways. For more on the graphic designer of our pathways imagery, Ned Bustard, see his website here.

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.