In this episode of the Oxford Policy Pod, Nawaz sit down with Dr Monazza Aslam, Research Director of the Data and Research in Education Research Consortium (DARE-RC), a leading education researcher, to explore how evidence can strengthen education systems and shape better public policy.

Together, they discuss why improving learning outcomes remains one of the most persistent challenges facing low and middle income countries, why investing in research is just as important as investing in schools, and how programmes like DARE-RC are working to bridge the gap between evidence and policymaking. They also examine what separates research that informs government decisions from research that remains on the shelf, drawing on DARE-RC's work in Pakistan and its engagement with policymakers to translate findings into practical reforms.

Dr Monazza Aslam also reflect on the importance of building local research capacity, strengthening partnerships between researchers and governments, and where future investments in education should be directed if countries are to deliver meaningful improvements in learning.