Welcome to this enlightening episode of Podjunction, where we dive deep into the power of leveraging conversations for business growth. Join us as Matt Edmundson and co-host Sadaf Beynon engage with Daniel Budai, CEO of Budai Media Agency and host of the e-Comm Show, in a fascinating discussion that reveals how podcasting can be a potent tool for building trust, nurturing relationships, and driving business success.

In this episode, you'll discover:

1. The Essence of Podcasting for Business Growth: Learn how the simple yet impactful art of conversation can transform your podcast into a growth engine for your business.
2. Building Trust through Authentic Engagement: Insights into Daniel Budai's approach to using podcasting for establishing and deepening trust with potential clients.
3. Strategies for Effective Podcasting: Practical advice on how to structure your podcast to attract and engage the right guests who can contribute to your business objectives.
4. The Power of Selective Guesting: How being more stringent in guest selection can lead to more meaningful conversations and potential business partnerships.
5. Turning Conversations into Opportunities: Explore how to utilise your podcast not just for content creation but as a strategic tool for networking and business development.
6. Behind-the-Scenes Anecdotes: Enjoy candid moments and humorous exchanges that shed light on the podcasting journey of our hosts and guest.

Episode Highlights:

• Welcome and introduction to the power of leveraging conversations for business growth.
• Deep dive with Daniel Budai: Unpacking his successful strategy for using podcasts to attract and convert potential clients.
• The significance of authenticity and building genuine relationships in the context of podcasting and business.
• Exploring the impact of selective guesting and high-quality conversations on podcast success.
• Engaging anecdotes and light-hearted moments that showcase the human side of podcasting.

Connect with Us:

• Podjunction Website: Visit podjunction.com for more episodes and exclusive content.
• Subscribe and Follow: Make sure to like, subscribe, and follow us on your favourite podcast platforms to stay updated with the latest episodes.
• Join the Conversation: We love hearing from you! Share your thoughts, insights, and questions with us on social media or via our website.

Thank you for tuning into Podjunction. If you found value in our conversation with Daniel Budai, don't forget to share this episode with others who might benefit. Happy podcasting, and here's to your business growth through meaningful conversations!

Welcome to Podjunction, where business meets podcasting.

Whether you're on a morning jog, driving to work, whipping up a meal, or just

taking a moment for yourself, our weekly bite sized episodes promise fresh

insights from successful podcasters who have cracked the code of using

podcasts to grow their business.

So whether you're a podcasting newbie or seasoned podcaster,

grab your notebooks and get ready.

Hello and welcome to Podjunction.

My name is Matt Edmundson and beside me, as always in the hot

chair is, why are you laughing?

Hot chair.

I was in the hot chair.

Sadaf Beynon, my co host on Podjunction.

Welcome to the show.

We are a podcast that talks about podcasting and how to use

podcasting to make your business bigger, brighter, better, and just

more lovely than it actually is.

Oh yes.

We should use that, I should definitely get that.

I like that, yeah.

Look watch, you in this microphone.

We took a break.

Oh, we took a break here.

And we are back, and Sadaf forgot how to use a microphone, it's an ongoing thing,

so now if you are a regular to the show, you'll know this is an ongoing thing.

If you are not a regular to the show, welcome, warm welcome

to you thanks for joining us.

Make sure you like, subscribe and all of that sort of good stuff.

Stay connected with us, help us get more content out there, support the show

and all that sort of beautiful thing.

Oh yes.

And it's good to be with you.

So today we are talking about that's your cue, we are talking

about, we are talking about how to use podcasting.

Or your podcast to build trust with your potential crients crients, clients,

do your clients cry a lot?

They call them cryants.

That's what they're like after they leave your show.

We turn our clients to cryants.

Yes, we do.

That's a USP.

If you're listening to the show, I was going to say, if you're

listening to the show, I'm wondering, is podcasting right for me?

I don't know if I can.

Create a very professional, polished show.

Neither can we.

All about being authentic,

yeah?

Something like that.

I think we use the word authentic to justify just about

everything we get wrong though.

I think so.

It feels that way.

It's we got that wrong.

Let's just quickly throw the word authentic in there and make it

sound like it's intentional somehow.

I don't know.

But yeah, we're talking Matt is talking to Daniel Budai in

a segment that we're going to watch.

And he is the host of the e-Comm Show and the CEO of Badai Media

Agency.

Budai Media agent.

Yeah.

The, he's he's a legend Daniel.

He's a really interesting character.

He was he was partly instrumental in our thinking around the

podcast agency was Yeah.

That we have, wasn't he?

And changing the direction a little bit based on some of the things that he

said, some of the insights that he had.

And using business to, or using podcasts to grow a business.

And so his model is probably more the one that we subscribe to or his model similar.

It's not identical.

We've taken, we've stolen the best bits, I think of his model and we're bringing

them to, to our sort of our own work.

So Dan is a really interesting character when it comes to podcasting

and it's really worked for him as an agency, really worked to go and get

those clients in and bring them in.

And I think it's a remarkable thing, really.

Yeah, it is a remarkable thing.

Should we play his video or should we do other plans?

I have a question.

Oh, okay.

I wondered, Matt, what's one trend in podcasting at the moment that you

find intriguing or maybe even surprising?

I think the trends that I find intriguing and surprising.

Okay.

Is the return of the long form podcast.

So what I mean by that is for years podcasts take Podjunction, right?

We try and aim for 25, 30 minutes in length, which for us is a

really short podcast because we normally do at least an hour, right?

All our other podcasts are at least an hour.

And I don't mind that at all.

I quite enjoy that.

But this one is a shorter one.

We're aiming for the, this is something you could consume in the car or

on the train, commuting to work or doing whatever it is that you do and

just, enjoying life a little bit.

And I think That's interesting because for the longest, we were playing

with short form content, in a lot of ways, for the longest time, short

form content has been the thing.

But when you look at the most popular podcasts, quite a few

of them are several hours long.

Yeah.

So you take probably one that I listened to the most out of the long

form podcasts are, is the Andrew Huberman, the Huberman Labs podcast.

And Andrew Huberman, if you don't know, he's a neuroscientist

from Stanford, I think.

A very clever bloke, very fascinating chap, and he's built this following

around his podcast where he just, like I listened to him talk about one

recently about, how do I overcome colds?

And he, I think it was a short one for him, it was like an hour and a half.

But I was engaged for that whole hour and that, that whole hour and a half and it

was just, it was him, he had no guests, it was just him chatting, a lot of repetition

but a fascinating way of doing the podcast and actually it goes to show that if

the content is engaging, the length is engaging, It doesn't really matter and I

think we get sometimes caught up in what my podcast is not 18 minutes, like a TED

talk or my podcast is not 30 minutes or what's the ideal length for a podcast?

I think.

I think in some respects, the ideal length is as long as it's interesting.

Yeah.

So we should probably end this one.

Yeah.

So moving

on that bombshell, thanks for joining us.

Make sure you no, but yeah, I think that's probably the answer to my question is

that there are people that will quite happily listen to Andrew Huberman talk

for two to three hours every week.

That's fascinating.

It is just absolutely mind blowing.

Cool.

So yeah.

Awesome.

Should we do the video?

Yeah.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

But one of the things that you've mentioned that I always want to double

back on is the fact that you are now thinking a lot more about your guests and

doing strategic partnerships with your guests which came out of your conversation

with Jeremy and the guys at Rise25.

So tell us a little bit more about how that works.

You mentioned that you give each guest.

An audit, like a free audit if they want it how has that worked and does that

then lead on to more business, sure.

So when I started doing this more than a year ago, it was much more

less, less planned ahead, I would say.

So I usually had a podcast warmup call with the guests, 10, 15

minutes, and then we shot the podcast half an hour, 40 minutes.

And then by that time we already talked more than an hour.

They are very comfortable to talk with me.

And then I, we just talked about business and okay, what's your

plan for this year or what are you doing in the next few months?

And then I just came up with.

The idea, it was there, if it was the right time to discuss it, if I could see

that they are an eCommerce business, for example I just mentioned that, by the

way, we focus on eCommerce retention, marketing, email, SMS, loyalty programs.

And by the way, in the podcast, you talked about loyalty programs.

So this is something that we actually do and actually help you with this.

Would you be interested in a short chat, like a short audit or something?

And then most of them, they are open to it because they already trust me.

Last week I talked to another eCommerce agency.

We talked about outbound sales, code emails, especially, and we discussed

that actually the problem nowadays is not with your offer or your services.

At least not with our agency and their agency, we are really good

with that, I think, and with client results, but the problem is the trust.

Yeah, because companies, they get so many dms and emails that they don't trust you.

It's very hard to get that trust.

Yeah.

But once they get into your podcast, you talk one hour with

them, then it's much more easier.

So yeah, this is how we started and by the end of last year 22, we got

so many guests, and that was the time when we doubled the number of episodes.

We even tripled for a few weeks.

So I told our our sales guy, Ben, that I think we should really limit

the spots and have higher standards.

So we should have someone only in the podcast if they can be a

potential client later or partner.

And actually that's a good filter because those are usually the

good guests in the podcast anyway.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They have the size, they have the right mindset, they have

the right business model.

So I think, yeah, in the last two or three months, we are very intent,

we were very intentional on this.

So the podcast format is done by Ben nowadays.

He asks the usual questions like, okay, what do you do?

What's your business model?

What's your traffic size, AOV, revenue, all of these.

And if he can see that, okay, this company is solid, might be a potential

client, good podcast guests, they can talk, then they come to the podcast.

And actually, before the podcast, already in the warm up call, he tells them

that we will do a free audit for them, and he asks if they are interested.

And by the time we have the podcast, we will have the audit, the software

access, and sometimes It happened twice, we even closed them as a

client before recording the podcast, because they were so interested.

And it's funny because before we became so intentional on this.

We were afraid to do it.

So I think our sales guy told me that it's not the best because it's

quite pushy on the first meeting.

It would be about the podcast and we already asked for a free audit.

We offered that to them, they don't even know us.

It's much more natural if we have a warmup call, the podcast,

and just after I tell them.

And yeah, maybe it's slower, it's a bit more natural, but in business, I think

everyone has goals and if you can help them, then why not to tell them early?

So we just started doing it and I think the results really validated our

thinking that it was good to try this.

So nowadays we are not afraid to do it.

And again, as I said we already closed clients before shooting the podcast.

If you're intrigued and want to dive deeper into this

conversation, check out Podjunction Cohort, where you can listen to the

complete interview and much more.

Simply visit thepodjunction.

com for more information about how to join.

Welcome back.

Welcome back after, Daniel, a fascinating and insightful conversation.

Now, if I was to contrast PodJunction this week with PodJunction

last week where we had Chloe.

So Chloe made a money from sponsorship.

, daniel is making money from.

Getting his ideal client as a guest on the podcast and building trust

with them and offering them a free audit and out of those that say yes, a

chunk of those become clients, right?

So this is his model.

And this is where actually I think podcasting is absolutely fascinating

as a tool because it, The way that I described it in the past, because

I, I subscribe to the same thinking that Daniel does a lot of ways that

podcasting opens doors like nothing else I've ever seen, it's just unbelievable.

And the example I always talk about in this is first discovered

this probably, yeah, this was.

12 years ago now when we ran a podcast for our beauty company, we had this

online beauty company and we decided, I dunno why we thought, we just thought

we'd just do a podcast 'cause why not?

And it was well complicated and in fact, in the background, I dunno if

you can, you have to move out the way.

If you're watching the video , they get this push you out the way.

There's a sound desk right there.

That's the original Jersey sound desk that we used that I've kept all these years.

And we did this podcast and there was one contract we were trying to

land in terms of a supply contract where we would buy this, the beauty

products from the guy and sell them on the Jersey Beauty Company website.

And it was proving nigh impossible to get through to the right person to

talk to their receptionist secretaries.

They were all very hyper efficient ladies who would not let you

anywhere near anybody or anything.

And so what we realized was there was, at that moment we thought I

wonder what would happen if we called up and invite the CEO as a guest on

the podcast, rather than calling 'em up saying, can we buy your stuff?

. And so we called 'em up and said, Hey, we're calling from the podcast.

We'd love it if the CEO came on the show.

Just tell the story.

Dunno if that would work.

Perhaps you could let us know.

And, sure enough, they came straight on.

Where before we couldn't get through to them just by asking them, not if

we could get involved from a business point of view, just asking them,

would you like to come on the show?

Instantly opens the doors because of course they want to come on the show.

They want to tell their story.

Most business leaders have egos.

That's why we're in leadership.

And it's, and this is not a bad thing, by the way, I have an ego the size of a

planet and I'm aware of this, but it's one of those where we got them on the show.

We just had a great conversation.

And at the end of it, after we'd finished recording, we didn't talk

about us supplying their products or anything throughout the whole interview.

It's just a genuinely good conversation.

At the end of it, we got the supply contract and that contract was worth

over a hundred grand to us as a company.

And so that's when you think, holy moly, podcasting is an interesting tool, right?

And so we always say, like Daniel, if you have what we call high value

clients, which we, I would define as somebody that's over 4, 000 in value.

So if they've got a lifetime value of over 4, 000.

Then podcasting is a really interesting tool for you guys as a way to get

business like Daniel does, where you go find your ideal clients, you get them

on, you chat to them, you build trust.

And then during that conversation, you're like, we can do a free audit.

We can, whatever it is, whatever the freebie is.

As a way to kickstart that relationship is really quite a fascinating idea.

Yeah.

And he also said that it's a slower process in some ways, isn't it?

Because you have to be more selective, but it is more natural.

And and Matt's just fixing my mic.

It is more natural and it reaps.

So far more benefits for them as a business, isn't it?

Yeah, it does.

Yeah.

And I it's a really interesting strategy and one that I think if you're into

podcasting, you should definitely think about is if the guest is my

ideal client, it's a great way to network with them, to have what we

would say is a meaningful conversation to talk to them about podcasting and

business and all that sort of stuff.

And I think it's a.

It's a really unique thing to do.

Now, if you want to know more about it, full disclosure all the big

preamble, we actually have a course on this on the Podjunction site,

which you can get, I think it's like a hundred bucks or 90 bucks.

It's somewhere around there where I lead you through the process of doing

this sort of step by step, how we do it.

And from how to reach out to potential Guess how to write the emails, how

to record the podcast real, and basic stuff, which will get you

set up basically to figure out if this is a good strategy for you.

Yeah.

And so yeah, if you're interested, do check that out.

Yeah.

You're more than welcome to come join us on

that.

You might need to add a paragraph on how to use the My

. Matt Edmundson: Only if your name is, some of, might find that . My name is Sadaf

and it means I can't use microphones.

That's what it means.

But something else I liked about what he does, his

approach, is that it cuts out that whole need for the cold outreach.

Yes.

Because that's a real pain in the butt.

When it doesn't because in some sense, you've

still got to do it, right?

Because you have to do you've got to go get them as guests.

And but it's a much easier ask.

Yes.

So if there's 100 people in a room, and I'm going to ask him a question,

like question number one, Would you buy my stuff versus question number

two, would you come on my podcast?

Yeah, coming on the podcast is a much easier ask.

And actually if you say to them first, come on my podcast, then

would you like to buy my stuff?

My hypothesis would be you'll get more people saying yes.

And if you just said, would you like to buy my stuff?

Yeah.

I think you'd have a higher closure rate is my experience with that.

Yeah.

Because people buy from people, and Zig Ziglar called it the know, and trust

factor, didn't he, I've got to know, and trust you, but what happens during

a podcast conversation, especially if that conversation is good authentic.

Like we like to use a lot, keeping it real and it's meaningful.

What does that do?

It builds a know and trust factor just straight off the bat.

I had one guest came on the show.

I might've told this story before.

I'm not sure where I've told half my story.

So if I've told it before on this show, do forgive me.

We had one guest come on the show.

He said to me at the end of it, I won't tell you who it was, but he said to me at

the end of it, he's Matt, how is it that.

In the first 30 minutes of our conversation, I've told you more

information than I tell my best friends.

He said, more about me after 30 minutes than my best friends know about me.

And I'm just like that's partly it's the podcast.

Partly it's because I'm a nosy little git, but it's just

really interesting, isn't it?

And in terms of what I, again, if you think about podcasting,

if I, if we're in the pub we're sat in the pub and I ask you.

Sadaf, tell me about the biggest challenge you've faced in life, right?

And we've just met within five minutes, I'm going, tell me about a

big challenge you've faced in life.

You're going to look at me and go, who is this guy, right?

What is wrong with you?

But put the same person in front of a microphone and call it a podcast.

And I say, what's the biggest challenge you've faced in life?

They just tell you straight off the bat.

They tell you, they open up.

It's just absolutely incredible.

And so you get to have the most amazing conversations all building

that know and trust factor.

Going back to what

that person said to you, that's actually quite a

compliment for a podcast host.

Yeah, it is.

So well done.

Yeah.

Well done me.

Pat on the back.

There was, and it was super flattering and it was lovely to hear

and very kind of him to say, but.

If I'm not being too boastful, he's not the first person to say

that, which is, well done me.

Yeah,

he's talking about the big

ego.

Yeah, there it is right there, just manifesting.

What can I say?

But yeah, I think it's one of those things, isn't it?

Think about it, seriously think about it.

If you have clients that are worth, have a lifetime value of over 4,

000, I think podcasting done a slightly different way can have a

massive impact on your business.

Just look using this, some of the strategies that Daniel

talks about really smart.

At least that's the experience, we I've enjoyed doing that.

I think one of the things that I took away from this one, we

do the, what's my main takeaway?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my main takeaway is he researches his guests now, so he's much more

stringent on who his guests were, because he was doing three shows a week,

frequency, because he had so many guests.

Yeah.

And we found, haven't we, like with Push To Be More, it's easy

to get guests on that show.

Yeah.

Genuinely easy.

We, when we first opened that up, we got like 70.

Or 80 people going, yes, we'd love to be on the show.

It was so many, it was over a year's worth of clients, years worth of

clients, years worth of guests.

If we did one a week on the show, and we were like, oh my goodness.

And that took us a week to get those 70 guests.

It wasn't like, it wasn't long, was not long at all.

And so I think probably now going forward with that, because the

podcast push, we definitely want to target our guests better.

Yeah that, that was my takeaway.

It's like actually with push, I think.

And we were talking earlier before we hit the record button that we need to go over

our strategy for guest, getting guests on this guest acquisition, I like it,

bridging the world's v com and podcasting.

We're going to get guest acquisition.

And so I think, I do think we need to think about that again.

And that actually would be my key takeaway, thinking that through.

What was yours?

I think.

In essence, like what he was saying about building trust and relationship with the

person that you're talking to, it's highly effective for what you might be able

to do later down the road, whether it's right away or a few months down the road.

Yeah, no, very cool.

He actually talked, didn't he, about, he called it the warm up call.

Yeah, he did.

We call it the pre call here.

But you, Daniel called it the warm up call.

And I.

I'm just trying to think, for most of our shows, you do the prequels, don't you?

Yeah, bar one.

Bar one.

So you do the prequels with the guests.

So Daniel has Ben and so you're the Ben's equivalent.

You're the Ben in this scenario.

How do you filter, because I'm aware, Sadaf, That when people come in onto

the prequel, not everybody you talk to, I end up doing an interview with.

Yeah.

So when you're thinking let's think about Push, for example, the Push To Be

More podcast, which is more akin to Dan, yours, podcast style that particular mode.

How do you judge clients on that?

How do you do the prequels?

Do we do the freemiums?

Do you actually do the Push prequels?

Yeah.

Yeah, you don't you?

It's been, because we've had so many guests on there,

it's just been relentless.

What do I do?

I first of all the podcast itself is about business owners, business leaders

entrepreneurs, trailblazers, you name it.

And so it's really the whole structure and story behind it is

to understand how they make life.

Yeah.

So they've got this, they're running a business, but then they've also

got a life outside of that business.

How do you keep all those balls in the air really is what it is, right?

So we want to be able to have people on the show that

actually are doing those things.

Yeah.

So to make sure that they actually, yeah, you have, you're a business owner, you're

an entrepreneur and understanding how they do those three things, how we have

it's three, three themes as we call it.

Make sure they fit those.

Yeah.

And then, yeah, that's basically what I'm looking for.

Yeah.

For

push.

Yeah.

And tr we'll be doing some more episodes in Pod Junction on the

pre-calls and how to do them.

'cause I think that's such an important part.

Yeah.

This particular to this particular, in fact, all of our podcasts, we still

insist, don't we, on the Precall?

Yeah.

I don't know if there's any podcast where we don't do a pre-call.

None with exception, maybe of PodJunction, but we're not doing,

that's not the whole interview.

Or do you do a pre-call for pod?

We do a pre-call, yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Fair enough.

Shows you what I know, doesn't it really?

But pre calls are so cool.

Or the warmup callers, Daniel calls them.

But we, yeah, we will be covering that more in more detail in other shows, I've

no doubt, but yeah, definitely worth doing at least from our point of view, we

do them, it's worth the time and energy unless you're doing a show where there's

three or four episodes going out a day, I've seen people use Daniel's strategy.

For them, it comes about the numbers.

So they will do I'm trying to remember the chap's name.

I was actually on his podcast.

The whole thing becomes a numbers game.

So he'll do three or four podcasts a day.

Each podcast will be like 20, 30 minutes.

And so for him, it's about numbers.

I just want to connect with more and more people.

It's a hell of podcasts every day.

I'm not gonna lie, but he's doing three or four a day.

Whereas, I'm a bit more dang you, I'd rather do one a week with a highly

targeted guest rather than try and do three or four and try and find great

guests amongst that and I'm sure, that both have got their place but I just,

that's a lot of hard work, three or four, I suppose what you could do if you want to

do three or four podcast days, just live stream, that's all you do, you just get,

I think that's what he does actually, is you just get on, you just live stream.

And so then there's no editing.

You just make sure it's all recorded in one place and then you're not bothered

about the editing process per se.

It just goes straight up onto the podcast platform.

I would have thought possibly, especially now you've got YouTube podcasts.

That's might be a possible thing if you're just interested in YouTube.

Yeah.

I think though, like having someone that you have gone out he's very highly

selective now with his guests, isn't he?

So finding that right person, you're probably higher chance of

being a better fit for as a client.

Yeah.

So I think the returns are going to be much higher for you than to

just bang.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think actually this also comes back down to the show.

So if you are selective over who the guests are, then you're

going to have a better show.

If you have a better show.

Then the more selective guests are happy to come on that show.

So I think like with eCommerce Podcast, we get, but I think on the

whole, like the quality of our guests, not to just obviously distract from

any previous guests, but because the show is so much bigger, we

can get access to better guests.

So we've had on there recently, Neil Hoynes, who's the chief strategist of

Google which is probably the episode that I've had the most feedback

on of all the episodes we've done.

And, part of that is because I met him at the show and I was at the show

because I was podcasting at the show.

Subsummit, which you mentioned, yeah.

Mentioned before Subsummit and just, I'm at Subsummit because I met

the guy that runs it on a podcast.

He came on one of my podcasts and anyway he came onto the show and we can get

those guests because we've got, we've had really good guests in the past.

And I think there is a benefit to saying no to guests which are

mediocre, which go beyond just.

I might not do business with you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

To the point where I actually know this is really interesting.

Like the other day I was chatting to, on the Push Podcast, a guy called Ur, who I

don't know if we would ever, I don't know if he's like an ideal client in many ways.

Maybe he isn't.

I don't know.

But it was just a really fascinating conversation because this guy

is involved in medical robotics.

So he makes these products which help people who have lost limbs and

you just, you talk about an amazing conversation with an amazing guy.

So we know that we know the quality of the content is good.

And so as a result, people will keep coming back.

Does that more make sense?

Yeah, we've done our takeaways.

We've done this the wrong way around.

We have.

That's what happens when you let Matt lead.

Just saying.

Hashtag the same.

Sadaf's podcast as well.

Anyway what's, how do we close this?

Come join us next week.

Yeah, we close it with a good strong call to action.

Just come join us next week.

Make sure you like and subscribe the show wherever you get your podcast from.

Be great to see you next week.

In we've got Daniel too, haven't we?

Daniel too.

So he's coming back, more Daniel.

So if you like what Daniel had to say this week, definitely tune in next week.

That's it for me.

That's it from Sadaf.

Remember to check us out on the website, podjunction.

com.

You're going to talk about this more in a second, but on a prerecorded video.

Yeah, absolutely.

So do come check us out.

We're good to see you in there.

But that's it for me.

That's it from Sadaf.

Have a fab week.

See you soon guys.

And that brings us to the end of today's episode at PodJunction

where business meets podcasting.

If you enjoyed the insights from today and wish to hear the full conversation

with today's special guest, don't forget to visit the pod junction.com

where you'll find more information about how you can join today.

Whether you listen while on the go or in a quiet moment, thank you for

letting us be a part of your day.

Remember every episode is a chance to gain insights and to transform

your business with podcasting.

So keep tuning in, keep learning, and until next time, happy podcasting.