Journey from Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE), to Bitcoin Evangelist

Pravin, a determined and passionate Bitcoin evangelist, shares her journey into the world of Bitcoin as a part of the FIRE movement, financial independence and reitre early. She explains how she first became aware of Bitcoin in 2011, disregarding it initially, but later embracing it as her understanding deepened over years, leading to her and her husband's full commitment in 2020. With an emphasis on self-education, Praven shares insights from her route to understanding Bitcoin; from observing the fluctuations in the Bitcoin market to her realization of Bitcoin's potential for preserving purchasing power and freedom. Acknowledging volatility concerns, Pravin counteracts these fears by comparing Bitcoins over-time up volatility to the dollars steadily down volatility. She actively shares Bitcoin with her church and local community, advocating for financial preparedness ahead of potential inflation difficulties. Pravin continues to share Bitcoin content, encourages Bitcoin adoption wherever she can, and has started saving Bitcoin for various ministries, extending her advocacy for early financial independence through Bitcoin not just for herself but as a social mission.

00:03 Introduction to Financial Independence and the FIRE Movement

00:46 Welcome to Orange Hatter: A Bitcoin Retreat for Women

02:16 Pravin's Bitcoin Journey: From Skepticism to Belief

11:48 Understanding Money and the Impact of Inflation

13:54 The FIRE Movement and Investment Strategies

17:42 Bitcoin: A Solution to Financial Challenges

19:03 Spreading Bitcoin Awareness in the Christian Community

24:19 The Importance of Financial Health and Early Retirement

25:04 Choosing Life Over Material Things

25:13 Budgeting and Prioritizing for Financial Freedom

26:40 Teaching Children About Bitcoin

27:47 Connecting with the Bitcoin Community

28:00 Health Consciousness and Bitcoin

29:52 The Struggle Between Healthy Food and Fiat Food

30:42 The Impact of Rising Prices and Economic Struggles

32:24 Exploring Alternative Health Practices

35:18 The Role of Bitcoin in Preserving Wealth

37:17 The Urgency of Bitcoin Adoption

38:20 Spreading the Word About Bitcoin

39:39 The Future of Bitcoin and Its Impact

43:15 The Importance of Bitcoin in Times of Crisis

45:30 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

Pravin's Resources:

https://www.choosefi.com/

https://youtu.be/jVEk-q5hiFE?si=eKFXegh6hh5wk4kF

https://youtu.be/l5pGXx2lPAQ?si=2gvBk0dkHxaVXkA-

https://youtu.be/RyF40JydVNU?si=xxzL2eOlN2nItJYe

Youtube Channel: @Pravin_Yeshua_BTC

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decided to live on half of their income

or less than half of their income.

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And pool that money into stocks or

equities or whatever it you feel most

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compelled that it's the best asset.

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The FIRE movement people were saying once

you reach the million dollar point,

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then you can live off 4 percent and then

you'll be able to earn 40, 000 a year.

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And you'll be straight.

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But in 2019, 2020, with the pandemic.

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like So much money was printed I was

like, there's no way we're going to

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be able to just withdraw 4 percent if

inflation is 10, 15, 20 percent for

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food, some food items went double.

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We're dealing with hundreds

of percent of inflation.

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And I was like, I'm not sure about this.

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I might have to go back

to the drawing board.

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Tali: Praven, thank you so much

for joining us on Orange Hatter.

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I can't wait to dive

into your Bitcoin story.

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Welcome.

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Pravin: Thank you for having me, Tali.

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Tali: Let's start by telling us a little

bit about your personal background so we

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can To understand where you're coming from

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Pravin: Hello world.

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My name is Praven, I grew up

in Georgia, and I'm currently in

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the beautiful central Florida.

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And probably from the age of 15, I've

been working, I mostly did retail,

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restaurants, and I spent, at the height of

my career, I was at Aflac in accounting.

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I start learning about Bitcoin

around the time that I went to school

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for massage therapy, spa therapies

seaweed wraps, all that good stuff.

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And while I was in class, on my way

coming home from school, I saw an ad

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about Bitcoin, I think it was on CNBC.

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And they were talking about

Bitcoin hitting a dollar.

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This was in 2011.

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And at the time I

was what is Bitcoin and.

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Does it matter if they hit a dollar?

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I have a dollar right here.

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I don't need a digital dollar.

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I know, right?

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Yeah that's pretty much where

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out about Bitcoin on the news.

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Tali: wow, okay So I don't even

remember when bitcoin was a dollar

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because I wasn't paying attention

back then so what happened after that?

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Pravin: Really nothing, because at

the time it wasn't important to me.

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I didn't understand the value behind it.

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I didn't understand why I would even

need something like Bitcoin, other than

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the fact that people were talking about

it, on the news , but I brushed it off.

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And that was pretty much it

for a while until fast forward.

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I think in 2017, around the time

my husband and I had either just

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got married or were about to

get married, have a wedding.

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And his best man asked us if we were

into crypto and I was like no, I

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don't really believe in that stuff.

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You can't print money out of thin air.

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And he was like, I got some and,

I got dada, at this time it's

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considered an alt coin or a shit coin.

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He was like yeah, I got some and I'm

making a lot of money and, I was like,

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all right, I hope it works out for you.

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But inside I was like crypto is

such a scam, that was the time.

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And but I, when I, I kept thinking

about that moment, cause that

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was a pivotal moment for me.

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I was, I just kept thinking about

what I said like, you know, you

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can't print money out of thin air.

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What is money?

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Where does it even come from?

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I started to look into what is money

at that moment and I googled Bitcoin.

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He had said crypto, but in my

mind, I immediately thought of

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Bitcoin and I pulled it up and

I saw that Bitcoin was 17, 000.

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From a buck, from a

dollar, it was 17, 000.

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And it was the biggest

slap in the face for me.

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I thought that I had missed the bus

and I was like Oh man, I probably

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should have looked into that sooner.

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But I just kept holding onto that.

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What is money?

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And I start researching, comparing

Bitcoin to the dollar and trying

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to just get my mind wrapped around

exactly what this thing is.

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So I went from there and I did

still buy it at that moment.

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I was still pretty much just

trying to figure it out, but I knew

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enough to see, okay Bitcoin, there's

only 21 million of those and with

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fiat, the dollar, it's unlimited.

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Then I started learning about other

countries and what happened, in

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Venezuela, what happened in Weimar,

Germany, what happened in Zimbabwe,

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what their currencies and how it just

devastated a lot of people when their

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currencies are collapsing and having

to change currencies multiple times.

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I thought how awful that was and how that

can possibly happen to us here in America.

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And I was like,, yeah, I've really

got to look more into this thing.

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And then after 2017, the very

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only a couple of months from it.

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I saw that Bitcoin had crashed to 4,

000 from 17, 000, and I was , See, I'm

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glad I didn't put my money in there.

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I was already going right back.

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So Oh, I'm so glad I didn't

put my money in there.

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I know that it was, there's something

to it, but I'm just, I'm glad I

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didn't buy it at 17, 000 and then

have to ride it down to 4, 000.

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But so I'm still trying to

battle with, this Bitcoin

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thing and how volatile it was.

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The next year or within the

next few months or however.

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It was 13, 000 and I'm still

doing my research at this time.

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And I was also a part of the

FIRE movement at that time.

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And so we had already had an idea a

little bit about inflation that we had to

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keep up with inflation and investments

and all, but at that moment, it was so

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much happening all at once, once I saw

that it had hit 13, 000, though, I was

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like, okay maybe there's something to it.

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This thing is not dying.

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So let me take another look

at the Bitcoin thing and.

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I was like,, okay if it can

reclaim its rightful place at

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17, 000, I'll know it's for sure.

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It's legit.

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So I I got a notification on my phone, a

few months later that it had hit 16, 000.

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And I was like, okay, this is my chance.

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I'm going to do this thing this time.

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I'm going to go for it.

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So my husband and I talked about it.

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We start moving accounts around

and we made our very first purchase

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of Bitcoin in the winter of 2020.

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I think it was around December or so.

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That was it.

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We were hooked then, we were in.

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We just kept learning and figuring

out about self custody and.

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Then I found the Bitcoin community and

I start really enjoying that part.

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I enjoy it the things that they

were saying, it resonated with

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me, their values align with mine.

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And there's all these pocket communities

of Bitcoin too, where , you have one

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group that's into seed oils and then

you have another one, it's you have

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to put your feet on solid ground.

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Like, Take your shoes off and connect

with the earth and get your body fit.

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It's just so exciting seeing all

of these different people from all

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around the world, all these different

backgrounds that have such a passion

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for Bitcoin and the economies.

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And I start learning about El

Salvador and about different.

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Countries that are all coming together

, trying to get themselves out of a tough

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spot when it comes to inflation coming

to the realization that Bitcoin is going

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to solve a lot of these problems that

we have, because there's been a lot of

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bad practices with money, both here in

America and other countries from really

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the beginning of the centuries, because

the more I start looking into Bitcoin is

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I had so many questions and I'm coming

from a Christian background anyway.

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And so this helped me to really do

more of a deep dive and learning

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about how the world works and how

the money system even got started.

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And then I started learning about

the fall of Rome, which everybody's

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talking about on Tik TOK now, but

it's really also in the Bible.

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Like It talks a lot about what

happened with Caesar and how he

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was chipping off the gold coins and

causing inflation with everybody.

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And the borders were wide open

towards the end of an empire falling.

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Not just Rome.

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It goes all the way back to the Sodom

and Gomorrah, things that happened in

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Egypt, all the famines and how food

was scarce and people was panicking and.

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How the emperors and the kings at the

time, they took those opportunities

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to enslave people and to cause

all these different heartaches

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and all these different problems.

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And it's just copy and paste.

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It's just been happening

for centuries and centuries.

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And just having that realization,

it's just, it was crazy.

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And then I'm not sure exactly at what

point, but at some point I came across

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something that Satoshi Nakamoto wrote on

the Bitcoin blockchain when he was talking

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about the things that was happening

over in Europe, on the brink of the,

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I think it was the third bailout at

that time or second or third bailout.

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And he put a note in there in that

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not being, overcome with evil,

but with overcoming it with good.

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And that just, it, I have

goosebumps when that moment when

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I saw that it was just so awesome.

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I was , wow, maybe Satoshi Nakamoto

was inspired by the Holy Spirit

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in order to create Bitcoin for us

in order to be a safe boat to get

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out of a corrupt monetary system.

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And I just been going down this rabbit

hole even further, learning more

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about the economy, learning more about

monetary policy, learning about how

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our federal system, manipulate interest

rates and the boom and bust economy

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and about the differences between the

Keynesian economics versus the Australian.

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So it's just been a lot.

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It's exciting.

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And I don't really understand how

Bitcoin works, on a technical scale,

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but I know, I don't know how my

cell phone works on technical scale.

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I don't know how the internet works on a

technical scale, but I don't really care.

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Like As long as it works.

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And as long as I know that,

okay, there's 21 million coins.

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It's released slowly over time.

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And the last one is not going

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So this is going to be something

that's a gift to all of us, not just

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us in this current, generation, but

for all the generations behind us,

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it's something that's going to really

help us out a lot when it comes to

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protecting our purchasing power and

protecting our freedom and yeah.

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Tali: I can feel your passion

coming through the microphone.

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It's actually very contagious.

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It's wonderful.

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Okay.

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I just, I want to circle back.

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You covered a lot.

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So I want to circle back to that moment

when you started asking yourself questions

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about the monetary or just what is money.

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I don't think that's a very common

thing because most people don't stop

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to ask themselves that question.

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So if you go back, it was 2017 when

you started asking that question,

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Pravin: Yes.

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Tali: what in your personal experiences

prompted you to chase that question?

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Pravin: Figuring out what

investments and all, we knew that

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we had to keep up with inflation.

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A lot of the FIRE movement people

were saying that, okay, once you

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reach the million dollar point, then

you can live off 4 percent and then

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you'll be able to earn 40, 000 a year.

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And then you'll be straight.

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But after some time, and especially

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And 2020, with everything that

happened with the pandemic.

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So much money was

printed during that time.

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And I was like,, there's no way

we're going to be able to just

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withdraw 4 percent if inflation

is 10, 15, 20 percent for food,

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some food items went double.

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And so we're dealing with

hundreds of percent of inflation.

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And I was like, I'm not sure about this.

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I might have to go back

to the drawing board.

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And I was also reading books

The Millionaire Next Door.

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I was reading Robert Kiyosaki's

book Rich Dad Poor Dad.

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So I had a little bit of information

about it already about money, but I just

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never asked more questions about the

essence of money, the history, the deep

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history of how money is and how money has

changed from different things over time.

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How at one point it was seashells

and how another point it was , they

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use salt as currency and they've

used different things over time.

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So it doesn't have to be.

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A paper fiat, it was gold at one

point, we know what happened back

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in, I think it was like 1971 when

gold was removed from the dollar.

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And so it's just over time it's

changed, but it's up to what the

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community says money is , whatever

we see as what value is.

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And we exchange value for value.

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Tali: Can you explain

what the FIRE movement is?

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You mentioned it a couple of times.

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I'm not familiar with that.

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Pravin: Yeah.

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It's mostly known as choose fi.

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FI and it's pretty much financial

independence, retire early.

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And it's just a group of people from

all over the world who decided to

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live on either half of their income

or less than half of their income.

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And you just pretty much pool that

money into either stocks or equities

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or whatever it is that you feel most

compelled that it's the best asset.

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And at that time we were doing the total

stock market, which was the DTSA X.

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And so it's pretty much the uh, Well,

there was two really, cause we split ours.

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,most of the community was using VTSX,

which is the total stock market, but we

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were also using the S& P 500 as well.

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So we had it split between the two.

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And the S& P 500 is just the 500 best

stocks, the best performing stocks.

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So you have your Apple, your

Microsoft Tesla is part of that now.

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And so it's just the big hitters and the.

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Total stock market is just

pretty much everything.

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So instead of you having to pick one

particular stock and knowing how to

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do research and on exactly what's a

good company and all of their earning

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stuff, you pretty much just cast your

net wide and just buy all of them.

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But eventually.

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I no longer aligned with just buying

all of them because when you're buying

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all of them, you're also buying tobacco

companies, you're buying different

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pharmaceutical companies that you may

not feel so strongly about anymore.

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And so we no longer want it to be

a part of the total stock market.

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So we pretty much streamlined back.

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And then we went more, so just Tesla.

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And then when we figured out Bitcoin, we

started to Move it more splitting between

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Tesla and Bitcoin to have a part of both

systems because we're not sure exactly how

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long it's going to take for Bitcoin to get

where we want it to be in our lifetime.

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It looks it's going to be much sooner

than later at this point, but just

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going by comfort level, we want it

to make sure we had a good balance

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in the portfolio so that we felt

protected in one way or the other.

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Tali: So it sounds like it took

you about two to three years of a

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lot of research keeping an eye on

how the Bitcoin market is moving

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before you jumped in with both feet.

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Now, when you and your husband

were discussing going into

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the Bitcoin space with such

commitment, what was his reaction?

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Pravin: Actually, he was saying

stuff about Bitcoin before I

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did but it just took me longer.

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I'm just so apprehensive and I

guess I'm a little stubborn too.

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I had already gotten comfortable

with the idea of, okay, we have our

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investments that we can even retire early.

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Now we can move to Florida.

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Everything is set.

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I didn't want anything disrupting that.

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And so it took a little while longer

for me, but it, but eventually I.

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I decided, okay yeah, I think

you're, I think you might've

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been on to something with this.

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And then I just ran with it.

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It got to the point that I was

researching stuff for hours of the day.

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I was watching the simply Bitcoin podcast.

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I was watching swan Bitcoin.

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I'm looking at all these ways

that you can earn free Bitcoin

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with the Bitcoin magazine have,

they have the articles you can read

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and you can earn Bitcoin from that.

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The tender games, then

the fold card came out.

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So I was like I can put all our expenses

on fold card and then we can earn Bitcoin.

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So it was just all these things.

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And I was spending a lot of time.

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I think maybe it was a couple of

times I didn't even eat because I

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was just so excited about this field.

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I was so excited about

everything that was happening.

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Wow, how did I miss this for so long?

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Because again I've knew about it since

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this, I had over a whole, what, 13 years,

12, 13 years of information, just all

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at once that I was trying to consume.

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Tali: So now that you're fully in

it You are also now trying to spread

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Bitcoin to other people, sharing it with

Precoiners, sharing it with your church.

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Tell us a little bit more

about what you're doing.

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Pravin: Yes.

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So I have a couple of Bitcoin t shirts

that I wear and whether I'm just going to

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the grocery store or if I'm on vacation

in Alaska, I'm wearing my Bitcoin tees

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and I'm going to different merchants.

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If I'm going to a coffee shop, I'll

ask them, if they accept Bitcoin.

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I know they don't accept Bitcoin,

but I'm going to ask them

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anyway, just so I can make it.

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Normal for them to, have people ask

them about Bitcoin and for them to

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see the Bitcoin logo and, I'll repost

a meme on Twitter or I'll post Bitcoin

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content, Bitcoin education, either on

my social media, Facebook, Twitter,

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YouTube, anyway I can spread it.

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My church also have their own app

called school app, which is Twitter

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and it's just for our church.

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And so I'll post anything there

that's relevant also to the

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Bible to just to keep it connected.

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I just try to spread it and talk

about it with my family and friends

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and anyone who will listen, really.

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Tali: So let's talk about

the church specifically.

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There's the group, Thank God for Bitcoin

that are both Christian and Bitcoin and

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trying to spread the good news about.

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The good news about

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Pravin: Yes.

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Tali: Especially when it comes to

missionary work there's a lot of

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obstacles financially that they

would have to overcome to support

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their missionaries overseas.

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What is it like for you trying to

share Bitcoin with your church and

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the general Christian community?

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Pravin: I've been sharing, that was one

of the books I've been reading, I've

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been reading, thank God for Bitcoin.

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And I've shared that with my church,

let them know that, things like

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Bitcoin Christians exist and that,

there's something that they might

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want to look at because a lot of

people are talking about inflation.

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That's one of the biggest prayers that

we have in our community is people asking

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for prayers over financial problems

and hardships that they're having.

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People are being evicted.

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People are struggling to pay

their bills and electricity costs.

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They're talking about how their

electric bill is two, 300 and they

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don't know what they're going to do.

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And so I want them to know what

the reason is behind that is

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something wrong with the money.

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And actually people will say the

money is broken, but the money really

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isn't broken this is systematically

designed to be this way to make the

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rich richer and the poor poorer.

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So I just want to make them aware hey,

this is what's happening with our monetary

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supply and this is what happened to other

countries before us and is what's going

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to happen All of the other currencies are

going to pretty much fall into the dollar

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because the dollar is the strongest of

all of the currencies at this moment.

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But eventually it's going to, it's

going to get to the point that the

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dollar is also just as worthless as

probably the currency in Weimar Germany.

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Like Historically this has

happened over and over again.

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For centuries, countries' bad

monetary policies have caused

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their currencies to collapse.

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And I want to make my church aware that

this can happen to us here in America

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as well, and I want them to be aware of

what's happening and what the solution is.

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And that solution would be Bitcoin.

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Tali: so when you talk to them

about that, what is their reaction?

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What is the number one objection

or question that you hear?

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Pravin: They are mostly concerned

about the volatility of Bitcoin.

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They don't really understand the ins

and outs, but the number one thing

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that I hear them say is the volatility.

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But then I have to remind them that

both currencies are volatile, Bitcoin

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is volatile, and the dollar is volatile,

but Bitcoin is volatile to the upside

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over time, and the dollar is volatile to

the downside, so I've pretty much been

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like, you have to pick your volatile.

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Tali: I've never heard it put that

way that the dollar is volatile.

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Has anybody asked you

to explain that further?

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Pravin: No, they just stare.

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Or, They'd be like,, okay.

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Or they might fart it or something.

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Cause that's pretty much the end of

it there, but I'll still go on further

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to tell them more about Bitcoin and

also to give them resources that

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they can look more into, what it is.

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And also show them Christian based

stuff that's related to Bitcoin, the

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thank God for Bitcoin and different

youTube channels that they can see

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and talking about just whatever.

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I feel that person that kind of

resonate with their personality

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and what can help them out.

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Tali: And Have you been able to

convince them that it is worth

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the risk of the volatility.

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Pravin: I think so.

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So far that no one said,

no, I'm not interested yet.

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So I feel like, just like when I'm

evangelizing about the gospel of

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Christ, you're either watering a seed

or you're planting a seed or you're

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actually saving a soul, you're either

planting, watering or saving the soul.

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So it's the same when it comes to Bitcoin

is you you're planting a seed there.

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And it's up to them what

they're going to do with it.

406

Or if they've heard of Bitcoin before,

and they're just, on a fence and they're

407

not sure, then just giving them some new

information of resources that they can

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use, maybe it's watering that seed of

their curiosity about Bitcoin, and maybe

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they'll take it a little bit further.

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Besides just asking a few

questions and they'll actually

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put some action behind it.

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And maybe, for some people that

little information that we give them

413

is enough for them to be like you

know what, that makes a lot of sense.

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And I think I'm going to go ahead and just

buy 20 a Bitcoin and see how it works

415

from there while I'm doing some research,

but I try not to be pushy about it.

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It's up to them.

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Everybody has to have

their own experience.

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They have to go down

their own rabbit hole.

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And, it took me over a decade in

order for it to actually click for me.

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So I'm in no position to judge there

is so just however people come to

421

it is their individual journey.

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Tali: Yeah, that is so true.

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I'm just really curious because You

are so proactive and so intentional

424

about managing your money.

425

And that's such a tough place to be

for most of us to be that disciplined.

426

Can you walk us through your mentality

when you even came across the FIRE

427

movement in the first place and why

you decided to put yourself in that.

428

It sounds pretty rigorous what you guys

were planning to do and very intentional.

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What was your mentality when

you entered into that program?

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Pravin: Yes.

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They talked a lot about inflation

and about how a lot of people,

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they wait or they work all their

life and then they end up having to

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retire at maybe 60 or 70 years old.

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Or in some people, they never get a

chance to retire because, they're just

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so focused on buying material things

and they're not really focused on making

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sure that their financial health is good.

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And I was like,, man, I don't want to

have to wait until I'm 70 to retire.

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I was comfortable with living on half my

income in order to pull more money into us

439

investing so that we can retire a little

bit earlier, much earlier than that.

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And so that's what did it for us, just

understanding that, all of the things that

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we had, all of the stuff that's on our

kitchen counter, that used to be money.

442

All of the clothes in my closet, all

of the shoes, all of the purses, all

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of the trinkets, all of the gadgets

that was all money that was spent.

444

We made a decision at that moment

to either buy a thing or buy

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back our life, buy back our time.

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And that was important to me.

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so we decided this was our best

option is to go down our budget,

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seeing what we can cut out of our

budget in order to invest our money.

449

And then we both had things

that we were not going to cut.

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We were still going to travel.

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Cause that was important to us.

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So the travel budget was going to stay

and things like clothes that wasn't

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as important to either one of us.

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So we cut back on our clothing budget.

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We cut back on buying

new shoes and things.

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Plus, as we were seeing that,

okay, these are hours of our life.

457

It's not things anymore.

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It's literally hours of our life.

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And so once that clicked for us, we

started to shift some stuff and I wanted

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to keep chocolates cause I love chocolate.

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I love chocolate.

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I like coffee.

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So I would keep those.

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And then we would cut our food budget.

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We cut other things and we pretty much

when we get a steak, we would cut it

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up so that we would still have steak,

but it would just be a smaller amount.

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We had more rice and

vegetables or whatever.

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And so we just made those

different types of things.

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We didn't buy a lot of

gifts and stuff anymore.

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Our gift for each other was our

time together and knowing that we're

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going to be able to retire one day

and move to Florida and be close to

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the theme parks and close to being

able to travel and take cruises.

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That was our goal.

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And so we decided to live on

half of our income and we did

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that for almost five years.

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Tali: That is so impressive.

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I am so impressed by your commitment.

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That's just absolutely incredible

and mind blowing actually.

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So are you able to convince

your children to do the same?

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Are they on board?

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Pravin: I hope so.

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They consider it our

Bitcoin, their Bitcoin.

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So they know that they're

going to inherit it anyway.

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So it was difficult to get them to

understand but so we're working on

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them because we will want them to

be good stewards with our Bitcoin.

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It's all of it belongs to God anyway.

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We're all just here stewarding

his wealth, but I also want them

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to know this is how you'd make a

transaction and this is how you.

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Keep your seed phrase safe and, the

importance of not putting your Bitcoin on

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platforms where they promise you interest

and then they end up rug-pulling you.

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So I want them to

understand that part of it.

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So we're, it's a work in progress.

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They're teenagers.

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And so they're more interested in,

doing things with their friends.

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And they're looking for

cars at this point now.

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So it's a process with them.

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Tali: I have teenagers and early

20s, 20 years, what do we call them?

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Early 20 years.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, they still see the world.

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differently.

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Anyway, we have the benefit

of decades of experience.

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We're looking backwards.

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Okay, so let's talk about all the

stuff that you have experienced after

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fully entering the Bitcoin space.

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You mentioned that there are

different pockets of Bitcoiners

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you have really connected with.

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Can you talk a little bit more about that?

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Pravin: Yes.

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There was a video that I believe Natalie

did about seed oils and about Fiat foods.

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so this is a pocket of Bitcoiners

when it comes to like being more

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health conscious and things like that

and having a fit mind and a fit body.

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And it changed the way

that I looked at stuff.

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I didn't know that the oils that I was

putting in my body was causing us to

515

become sick, and so I start looking at

the seed oils Hey, what is a seed oil?

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And I start looking at, okay, that means

canola oil, vegetable oil, all those

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oils are trash for your system and that

you should have more healthy fats, beef

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tallow and avocado oil and just using

real grass fed butter, grass fed beef.

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There was another one on the beef

initiative that we learned about steaks

520

and making sure you know where your

steaks are coming from, where they're

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sourced from and making sure that

they're grass fed and grass finished.

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Cause that was a thing too.

523

A lot of companies will say

that it's grass fed beef.

524

And then you found out the last

Six months of the cow's life,

525

they did grain fed and you don't

know what's all inside that grain.

526

So just trying to be more aware of

what are we putting in our body?

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And , I know a lot of

Bitcoiners are also keto.

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Keto helped me a lot with getting

into my wedding dress for a while.

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Cause I was, I think I was a

size nine and the wedding dress

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that I bought was a size six.

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Cause it was the only one that

they had in stock and it was

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the one that I wanted so much.

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So I did keto for almost two

months in order to fit in my wedding

534

dress and now I'm happily married.

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And I was able to fit in my dress.

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So keto definitely works.

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It should be more of a lifestyle,

but if you're just trying to do a

538

reset of your system, , that

was really beneficial to us.

539

And just cutting out a lot of the

junk food that we was eating, or at

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least trying to eat it more sparingly

and being aware of what we're doing.

541

So we're making a conscious

decision at that moment where

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they're, what we're doing.

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Tali: My struggle with knowing Fiat

food versus healthy food, and trying

544

to put money into Bitcoin is that

the fiat food is cheap for a reason.

545

It's been subsidized.

546

It's been super processed.

547

It's very convenient.

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It's less expensive versus do we

invest in buying grass fed beef or do

549

we just buy some crackers and those

squeezable cheese things, you know,

550

What I'm saying you can buy beef

551

Pravin: Cheesy.

552

Tali: Yeah, you can snack on beef

jerky, which is quite expensive.

553

Or you can snack on crackers, and then

there's this kind of pull in either

554

direction, especially, when you're

raising kids and you become aware of

555

these things, eating healthy is expensive.

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Pravin: It is our grocery bill has

doubled over the last few years.

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And we're buying basically the same stuff.

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It's just the price of it has doubled.

559

And and I just wonder man, how

are people really making it?

560

And then TikTok responds to that

because there's so many videos

561

with people are talking about how

hard it is just to be able to keep

562

up with just the staple stuff.

563

You go to the grocery store and you buy a

couple of basic goods and it's 90 bucks.

564

And it's something that would have

cost 20, 25 just a few years ago.

565

And then you hear about people in Canada

and the stuff that happened with them.

566

It's really rough and we

have the reserve currency.

567

That's what makes it so bad

is we are here in America.

568

We have all this financial privilege and

we're struggling here as a collective.

569

And then we think outside the box,

outside of that privilege to people that

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are in countries that have developing

currencies or developing economies.

571

And I just.

572

I feel so bad for them and I pray often

for the world because it's just in

573

such a broken state and people are all

searching for something to fill that

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void and they're filling it with a lot

of things that are just no good for them

575

and a lot of that is because they don't

know their identity in Christ we're

576

like Heirs to the kingdom anyway, and

a lot of people don't understand that.

577

They feel they're removed from God

or they feel they're just stuck in

578

whatever rut that they're in the moment.

579

And they feel so alone and so

feelings of rejections and feelings

580

of just despair because it's.

581

It's everywhere you look, people

are saying the same thing and it's

582

really bad and it's hard to see it.

583

Tali: It's really interesting to think

that especially in the health arena

584

everybody's looking for solutions, and

we are questioning what's happening

585

today because, at least for some people,

access to it medical care without

586

insurance is near impossible unless you

want to go into death forever and ever.

587

And so alternative health

practices that we have been

588

discouraged to pursue before.

589

An example would be using

herbs or adaptogens.

590

Not very long ago, we were highly

discouraged from doing that.

591

Meditation was highly discouraged.

592

Oh no, you can't empty your mind because

the devil will go in there and you know

593

that verse in the Bible where it says if

you clean the house and you don't fill

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it with something, you're basically just

cleaning it for a bad spirit to come in

595

.

a lot of people are looking for answers and they're all just doing their very

596

best to consider different alternatives.

597

Pravin: yeah, that's what it is.

598

It's everybody is just so busy with

trying to get their basic needs met.

599

That they can't think beyond that

moment, they're trying to pay rent,

600

they're trying to make sure they

have food on the table for their kids.

601

And so a lot of times they're not

interested in other things trying

602

to figure out okay, what's really

going on at the root cause?

603

What is causing this?

604

And to be honest There's this happened

so many times, like copy and paste, like

605

I said, for centuries and centuries.

606

This has been happening from

biblical days about what's been

607

going on with bad monetary policies.

608

But at the root of all of this is really

back to the basic of it is good and evil.

609

There's huge forces that is causing a lot

of this stuff that we're experiencing.

610

And this is the time that the devil has

his reign, he has already lost the war.

611

We know that God wins in

the end, he's already won.

612

He won on the cross, but the devil is he's

so busy because he knows that he's lost.

613

So see, he's just trying to

get as many souls as he can in

614

order to distract people with.

615

These different things in order to

just keep them in despair and keep them

616

like , just exhausted with life that

they don't even really have the energy to

617

even look at things on a broader level.

618

Tali: Yeah, that's one of the things

that I actually discussed with a vet

619

tech that I told you about who came

into our waiting room and started asking

620

me about crypto and how it's different

from Bitcoin and things like that.

621

And we were chatting about the mentality

of trading crypto to try to capture profit

622

and the fact that all of us nowadays

tend to feel like we have two jobs.

623

We have one job to earn money

and then another job to try

624

to keep it somehow and you're

625

Pravin: Exactly.

626

Tali: And you're already exhausted

from the first job because you're

627

working your butt off for that.

628

And then when you then have to think

about how to keep your money, you

629

start to look for shortcuts, because

how many hours in a day do we have?

630

How many hours in the day can we focus our

mental energy and when you take shortcuts,

631

that's when you get burned sometimes.

632

Pravin: Exactly.

633

Tali: it's what you're saying, we're

just we're so distracted by surviving

634

that I feel Bitcoin is actually a

simplifier, because you don't have

635

to, you do have to research, and you

do have to do your homework and get

636

Pravin: You do

637

Tali: But once you Decide that is the

right thing you can use it without

638

having to work more for it you

can preserve your wealth with it.

639

So if you convert your Dollars into

Bitcoin you don't then have to keep

640

working to maintain its purchasing

power you can just go Okay, I'm done now

641

Pravin: exactly.

642

Cause it's basically just math . We're

still learning about Bitcoin because

643

this is so many moral levels as

beyond our understanding of it.

644

But the base level of just the fact

that there's only 21 million and

645

how every four years, the amount

of mine supply is cut in half.

646

That was even something

that was new to me.

647

When I first started to figure out

Bitcoin, it took me another year or

648

so before I learned about the halvings

and how Bitcoiners celebrate the

649

halvings every four years, with big

parties and celebrations I know the

650

next one is going to be in El Salvador.

651

And like, just learned about all the

different communities and economies

652

that are growing on top of that.

653

It's just, it's so exciting that the

energy that's behind this project and

654

just knowing that there's going to

be more levels built on top of it.

655

There's the base level, and then

there's the lightning network, and

656

then there's probably going to be a

third one, and it's just going to grow

657

beyond our capacity to be able to even

understand how big this thing can be

658

for the fact that the way, how it's set

up is designed for you to just become

659

wealthier and wealthier over time.

660

And Bitcoin, I said, it's

on a world stage right now.

661

So everybody is watching and

trying to see what's this about,

662

what's about to happen with it.

663

We have so much institutional adoption.

664

That's about the pretty much catapult

this thing, especially right around

665

the time is halving an event.

666

You have companies now able to hold

Bitcoin on their balance sheet and

667

not be penalized by this, whatever

law it was that they anytime Bitcoin

668

goes down, they were dinged for it.

669

But when Bitcoin goes up, they

didn't get any benefit or reward.

670

And now whatever the law

that is, is about to change.

671

And so now companies are.

672

able to hold Bitcoin

on their balance sheet.

673

And so I really want the plebs, the

little people to get Bitcoin as much

674

as they can before this happened.

675

So that's why another reason why I'm so

passionate about it, because I want the,

676

us I want this, the regular people to

be able to get on this lifeboat before

677

BlackRock has all of it, or Thank you.

678

Different companies and institutions

are able to just grab it all.

679

And then it'd be difficult for the

average person to hold a whole Bitcoin.

680

It's already hard enough now.

681

If you can just have a 10th

of a Bitcoin, you're probably

682

going to be pretty much set.

683

But of course, the goal is to have that

one whole, the one whole coin, which is

684

important to so many people, but those

Satoshis are going to be very valuable.

685

So just try to get as many as you can.

686

Tali: I feel the same urgency

because once they step in in.

687

They are moving so much money at one time.

688

Pravin: Yes.

689

Trillions of dollars.

690

Tali: And we're little guys.

691

We're everyday guys.

692

We are feeling the pain when

the gas goes up by five cents.

693

So yes I feel the same urgency and

I definitely can feel your passion.

694

So what are you doing right now

actively on a daily basis to share

695

a Bitcoin other than with your

church and also with the merchants.

696

Pravin: I post Bitcoin

content as much as possible.

697

I retweet things.

698

I started, I have a little baby YouTube

channel, I'm trying to get both the

699

gospel out there of Christ and I'm trying

to also explain to people about Bitcoin.

700

So yeah.

701

Yeah.

702

I'm showing different things that

they can, anything that's coming

703

up in the media or any type of

newsflash, especially what just

704

happened with us hitting the 33

trillion mark in our U S debt clock.

705

So that's something that I've been sharing

to let everybody know Hey, we were just

706

at 32 trillion a couple of months ago.

707

We just spent a trillion

dollars in three months.

708

Is this registering to anyone?

709

How fast this is going?

710

They have to keep printing at this point,

the interest that we're paying on our

711

debt is equal to our military spending.

712

It's something that's

just going to keep going.

713

And I want people to know hey, this

is happening really fast, , it

714

happens gradually and then suddenly,

it can literally be overnight

715

and we're in hyperinflation.

716

We just never know when that

moment is going to come.

717

So it's best to have Bitcoin and to start

understanding it before that moment comes,

718

Tali: what is the name

of your YouTube channel?

719

Pravin: I have it as Praven underscore

Yeshua underscore BTC because I'm on

720

a mission to spread Bitcoin to Bitcoin

Christians the most, because I want

721

God's people to have Bitcoin the most,

so I'm spreading that and I'm showing

722

them ways that they can get free Bitcoin.

723

And also like just sending them

a few stats, before we used to

724

have something called faucets.

725

Now this was before me, but I know that

there was different accounts that you

726

can go to and You can receive five

Bitcoin a day just by entering a captcha.

727

You just hit a button and then

they'll send you free Bitcoin.

728

So I don't have five Bitcoins to be

sending out to anyone, but I can, I send

729

people Satoshi's to their account just

to get them to download wallets, the

730

Muun wallet or different lightning

wallets and anyone that I see that may be

731

interested in like, I'll talk to him about

it and try to show them how that works.

732

And yeah, just trying to spread it.

733

I also started to save some Bitcoin

for different ministries and stuff,

734

just to be able to support them.

735

Because I know that there's

going to come a day where they're

736

going to come for the church.

737

And I want to make sure that

the ministries that I support

738

and the charities that I support

they're going to still be okay.

739

And yeah, I've just started to try

to share information to Bitcoin

740

Christians and to everyone, really,

because everybody has a potential.

741

I want to save as many souls as I

can, and I want to get as many people

742

on the Bitcoin lifeboat as possible.

743

I care more about your soul

than Bitcoin at this moment.

744

So I want to just try to share

to talk to people about it.

745

Like I said, I wear the t shirts,

I repost the memes, I post

746

Bitcoin content information.

747

And talk to them a little bit about how

this has happened just for centuries.

748

This is not new.

749

Like, Yeah, we're experiencing

all this stuff now, but we're not

750

the first one to experience this.

751

We're not the first people to

go through all these different

752

famines and stuff that's happening.

753

We're not the first people to go through

different ways to enslave people,

754

all the different taxes and stuff.

755

They used to have to pay interest on money

when they used to borrow it, even back

756

in the early early before Christ days.

757

So none of this is new, it's just

our time and it is also Bitcoin's

758

time because nothing can stop an idea

whose time has come and we're here.

759

Tali: Cool.

760

So what would you say to someone who is

still sitting on the fence about Bitcoin?

761

Pravin: I would tell them to just take

the moment, make a date with yourself

762

grab a coffee, grab a snack or whatever

it is, and just sit down and compare

763

Bitcoin side by side with the U.

764

S.

765

dollar or whatever your

native currency is.

766

Just take a look at them both.

767

Look at it from the beginning, from the

inception point, really, if you can.

768

Just go all the way back.

769

And also read some parts of the Bible,

just to understand, what's happened

770

even there, because that's the beginning

of time, so just take it, put it side

771

by side and compare it and do your

own research just take a look this is

772

something that's going to be not only

for you, but for your kids and your kids.

773

And they're all the generations after

we all just have to do our part to

774

make sure that we're going to be

protecting our purchasing power.

775

It's going to be protected.

776

And the freedom part of them,

because people think about Bitcoin

777

and they think about number go up.

778

They think about it, the

investment part here in America.

779

And then outside of America,

they're thinking about.

780

Okay.

781

This is going to allow me to be

able to buy bread for the day.

782

Okay.

783

So we have the medium of exchange there.

784

And then we also have the investment

side, that's just two parts, but Bitcoin

785

has so many more parts to that, take what

happened in Canada with the truckers,

786

they did not want to take the thing.

787

And they pretty much shut

down their bank accounts.

788

They shut down the bank accounts.

789

They punished people who were trying to

support them, Bitcoiners who, sent money

790

to make sure that they can eat and stuff.

791

And the people who were just at

local shops, they would try to give

792

them coffee and food and they

would come for those businesses.

793

They was shutting down those

people's businesses that

794

supported the truckers and stuff.

795

The fact that they was trying

to cancel their mortgages and

796

cancel their bank accounts that.

797

That's a red flag that this can happen.

798

And we have the CBDCs that are

going to be coming out soon.

799

They're already been started in other

countries and they are making all

800

of the implementation for it here.

801

And so we just have to know that the

moment is going to come one day that yeah.

802

You know, The mark of the beast to, it

starts off as being this cute little app

803

and they'll give you 500 to download it.

804

But then eventually you're not going

to be able to buy or sell a trade

805

without being able to have this

thing, whatever it's going to come.

806

You can be in the hand or forehead

on the app or whatever it is.

807

It's going to come a day that your

morals are going to be on the line.

808

What are you going to do?

809

Are you going to take something that you

don't feel is good for you in order to

810

save your job and to save your career

and to, or whatever the case is, you're

811

going to have that moment that you have

to make a decision and it'll be good to be

812

able to know that, okay, I have Bitcoin.

813

And so it doesn't matter if they

tried to shut down my bank account.

814

I have dotted out amount of Bitcoin and

I can just trade value for value with

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someone in my local farmer's market,

so that's another good idea too, is to

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go to local farmer markets because, to

know at least what days they meet up

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so that you can go and support local

and you can also wear your Bitcoin t

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shirts and, Talk to them about Bitcoin.

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You have a beef guy you have a

vegetable guy and you have a lady

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that has milk or have eggs and stuff.

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Cause you just never know

when that moment might come.

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And it's a good idea to, to have that.

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So you just have to protect yourself and

to know that we're not alone in here.

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God didn't leave us orphan.

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He loves us and he sent his son to

die for us, for all of our sins.

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And for you to know that, we're all

one body, we're all connected, we're

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all people having individual lives.

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. But we're also connected

on a spiritual level too.

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And, We want the best for each other.

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We want to see each other doing well

and able to support their family

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and not have to worry about tyranny.

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Tali: I feel so inspired.

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I feel like you can stand on the

stage and give that talk and just

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mesmerize the whole audience.

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you so much for spending time with us.

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I have really enjoyed our conversation.

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Thank you for sharing your

story and your experiences.

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That was awesome.

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Pravin: Thank you so

much for having me Tali.

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This has been awesome for real.

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Tali: Thank you for

listening to this episode.

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Did you enjoy it?

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Wasn't our guest absolutely fabulous.

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I just love every woman's

story on this show.

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Everybody has a unique perspective

and yet, we all come to the same

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place, which is Bitcoin is an

important part of our lives.

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If this story has inspired you

and you would like to know

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more, go to www.orangehatter.com.

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Get involved.

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Join and our reading group, send

me an email and introduce yourself.

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I will be so happy to hear from you.

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The best way you can support this

show is to spread the word Tell

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every woman, you know, to listen in.

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You never know how they will

be impacted by these stories.

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I appreciate you so much.

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See you next time.

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Bye.