Welcome back to The Adventurous Reinvention Podcast, where host Allison Boyle delves into the transformative power of adventure.

In today's episode, we're tackling the mental hurdles that often accompany our most adventurous pursuits. If you've ever felt that wave of anxiety or resistance before a big trip, you're not alone.

Allison shares personal experiences, like her journey on the John Muir Trail amidst wildfire threats, to illustrate how to differentiate between genuine safety concerns and the pre-trip mind drama.

With practical insights and examples from her coaching clients, she highlights the importance of preparation, safety plans, and community support to navigate this mental barrier.

Key Points Discussed:

• An in-depth look into pre-trip resistance and how it impacts your success as a backpacker. It is a common psychological hurdle that arises for many backpackers before an adventure.
• How to differentiate between genuine safety concerns in the mountains and pre-trip mind drama and emotional resistance
• Strategies to manage pre-trip nerves
• Real-life examples of overcoming pre-trip resistance

Join us as we explore how overcoming pre-trip resistance can lead to immense personal growth and unforgettable adventures.

Whether you're a seasoned backpacker or just starting, this episode is packed with valuable lessons to help you reach that trailhead with confidence and excitement.

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You're listening to the Adventurous Reinvention podcast. I'm

Alison Boyle AKA She Dreams of Alpine and this is the

show that's dedicated to all the adventurous spirits out there who have either

been transformed by the outdoors or interested in what it

looks like to step into a new adventurous and courageous kind

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sharing all kinds of personal adventure stories, lessons I've

learned from the mountains, teaching what I know about the outdoors and leadership,

and interviewing some amazing adventurous women all along the

way. I've been coaching women on becoming safe, confident, and

self sufficient backpackers and leaders of their own adventurous lives

since 2018. And I know exactly what

big fears and self doubts can pop up along the way. I have

so much to share with you, so let's dive in.

Okay. Welcome to episode 10 of the

adventurous reinvention podcast. Today, I wanted to talk about a

topic

badass coaching program, and it's the concept of

resistance. And resistance can show up in our backpacking

goals and your outdoor goals all of the time, And it's one of the

single most important things that you need to become aware of if you want to

start going on more and more adventures. So

let's start with defining resistance. What is resistance?

And what should you be looking for? Right? Resistance can show

up all along the way to achieving your backpacking goal, but the

specific instant that I want to talk to you more today on this episode

is the resistance that you feel that shows up right

before you're supposed to go on a trip, on a backpacking trip, or

a solo hiking trip, or a solo camping trip, or road trip,

anything that you have been planning extensively for maybe is a

little bit outside of your comfort zone. For many of my clients, that's

their first backpacking trip or a backpacking trip outside of their comfort zone

or solo backpacking. So there is a resistance that can

happen like right before you're supposed to go on your trip.

So here's what happens. So many of you and my

clients, they decide, yes, like this is my year.

I'm going backpacking. They're super stoked. They're

setting the goal, and they're setting the intention, and they're feeling all of the good

things that come from going all in and being

excited about finally doing a thing they've been dreaming about doing.

But what happens is there is usually a bit of

time between when you set your goals, so that initial excitement, and

then all of the learning that you need to do and your actual

backpacking trip. So when you set the goal, there's quite a

bit of time between your goal and actually realizing it and, like, it

happening, right? So for some people, this can be

months and months of preparing depending on how new you are

to backpacking or how much time you have to dedicate to your learning, what

you need to learn for your 1st trip, or maybe it's just not the right

season and so you're waiting a while, right? And like so many things

in our life, you can start to lose that kind of initial

excitement that you had when you first set the goal, that I can do anything

I put my mind to mentality, which a lot of us have when we

set a goal, we're very excited, we're very motivated. And

as time goes on, you can start to feel a little less

motivated. But usually, in my experience working with

100 and 100 of women on, in particular,

backpacking and getting out there and going on their first trips, the

hardest phase for my clients is that 1 to

2 weeks out from their trip period

and time frame. So many of my clients do pretty well with the

kind of like goal setting, the learning, and the preparing phase, and

staying motivated enough to practice along the way. Like, that part is usually

pretty exciting for them. But when their backpacking trip is really

close, this is when all of the mind drama will start to

come up for them. And I call this final hurdle,

before you even hit the trail, I like to call this the

pre trip resistance phase. So the pre

trip resistance phase, all of a sudden, you'll know you're in this

phase is when all of a sudden there will be like a 1,000,000 excuses that

come up the week before your trip, any trip that you have. But

let's think of the example of a backpacking trip, why you

shouldn't go. Your brain is going to offer you a lot of reasons, right?

Maybe you're behind on work. Maybe your kids are telling you they don't want you

to go and you feel guilty. Maybe you feel tired from the work week. Or

maybe you're really nervous and you're starting to overthink everything and

obsessively worrying about the worst case scenario. So a lot of my clients will

end up everything and obsessively worrying about the worst case scenario. So a lot of

my clients will end up they'll be very prepared. They will have done the work

all summer to get themselves prepared, but that week before is when you can start

to kind of really panic and think like all think and go

down the doomsday kind of scenario for your trip even

though they're more than ready. You may start to even convince

yourself. So this is kind of a sneaky one, but you may start to

convince yourself that maybe you're not even that excited about it anymore. Like,

the excitement that you had when you set the goal that week

before, 2 weeks before the trip with everything else, all your anxieties,

everything else going on in your life, it might convince you that you're not that

excited about this goal anymore. And when you kind of hear those

excuses in your brain, you hear that mind drama, it can seem

super reasonable to have those thoughts, right? Well, maybe you

are behind on your work. Maybe your kids really don't want you to go. Maybe

you are actually really tired. Maybe you actually

aren't that excited in that very moment, right, that week before

you're struggling to find the excitement. And especially if

it's newer something like this is newer to you, you don't really know what to

expect so it's hard to tap into like future self

you being super excited, right? So it can be easy to

convince yourself that maybe I should just not do it, right?

But what you'll notice is these thoughts that you have

that come up like the week or 2 before your trip,

they always come up at the most inconvenient

time for you to cross that finish line into your goal and

achieve the trip that you've been planning and preparing for the

whole time. So I want you to think about if this has ever

happened to you. So think about a time that you've bailed on a trip or

maybe got close to bailing because you just started thinking about all this stuff.

All this resistance came up for you. And then I want you to

pay attention to the next time that you plan a trip that's

outside of your comfort zones and pay attention for this thing to

happen. And I guarantee you that you'll notice even if it's

not that outside of your comfort zone with almost any trip, just because

it's not something that we do on a regular basis you'll notice some forms

of pre trip resistance. This is that

resistance. All of those thoughts that are coming up for you before a trip

this is mostly just mind drama. And it happens to me

all the time. And I've been backpacking and rock climbing and mountaineering

for over 11 years now, and I experience this kind of pre

trip resistance really often, almost

every single time that I have a big trip or I plan

sometimes it doesn't even have to be a big trip. It can just be something

that I have planned a long time ago and then a couple of weeks out.

Like, I just have excuses. So I'll give you some examples.

One example is Mount Shasta in 2018.

So I went and did Mount Shasta in 2018 with one of my best

friends. I was really stoked on doing that trip, climbing

that 14er. I hadn't done it yet. It was something I was going to do

with one of my best friends. And I was stoked on that trip until

about the week before my trip. And then the week before my

trip, I was telling myself all kinds of stories about how I

wasn't ready, how I wasn't in shape enough. Like, I hadn't gotten to do the

training that I wanted to do. I didn't feel prepared as well as I wanted

to be, right? I started telling myself that I'm going to be the slowest in

the group and hold everyone back. That's like a common story that I

have had ever since I started getting into the outdoors that I think a lot.

My brain always offers it to me. I started thinking about how hard

it was going to be. It was a more technical

mountain than some of the stuff that I had done at that point,

and it didn't require technical skills. We were mountaineering. So I

was kind of overthinking a lot of things. I had had a really

busy week before I went and did that trip and I just wanted to relax.

All of those things were coming up for me about the week before I was

supposed to go out and do Mount Shasta. And I did. Like, I

did want to bail, but I did it, and I'm so glad I didn't.

That was an incredible trip. We did summit Mount Shasta.

I had a great adventure with my friend, and I definitely didn't regret doing

it. But I had all of those stories. And another example I had

is and I want to share this example because it's like,

how do we balance pre trip resistance with actual things that

may come into play that are safety issues or real issues

that you want to address, right? So another example

is when I was supposed to do the John Muir Trail in

2020, Michael and I had gotten permits to do the John Muir

Trail in August of 2020.

But there were a bunch of fires that were happening in the

eastern Sierras, as happens in that

area in the summer. And some of my

anxiety was real. So like some of my anxiety was about the fires, worrying about

the fires, worrying about the smoke, wondering if they were going to get worse, if

they were going to get better. But also my brain was

going wild with stories of what would happen beyond

reasonable, like just going to super worst case

scenarios. And I remember almost talking our like, we had been

preparing for months for this trip, so excited, preparing for months. Thru

hikes are bigger endeavors, so they take a lot more prep. And

I remember almost bailing a week before the trip.

But at this point in 2020, I have been

hiking and backpacking for a long time and have already

started my business, have been an outdoor educator. Like, I know that

this happens to me. I know what pre trip resistance sounds like.

And so I'm able to catch myself pretty quickly now. And I know that it's

normal to kind of go down that road, feel that resistance, feel

like you don't wanna do something. And I know that I have the tools

that I need to overcome that and take it day by day. So

with the John Muir Trail, yes, the fires were a

safety concern that I did need to think through, But

I had been prepared. And I'm going to talk about that a little bit more

in a minute. But I had been prepared to kind of take it day by

day and assess the safety as we go. So that is another

example of my pre trip resistance.

And I'm really familiar with my own resistance now.

It's really predictable, almost hilarious hilariously so.

It's kinda like an old friend. It's like this old version of me that

tries to worm its way back into my life, old stories that

I have. It's our brain just trying to, like, you know,

keep us safe and it doesn't it doesn't like things that are

unknown. So for me, I've learned to just show up

regardless of my resistance in most scenarios. Right? Sometimes there are real scenarios that are

for me, I've learned to just show up regardless of my resistance in most scenarios,

right? Sometimes there are real scenarios that I will make a decision not to do

something because I'm like, this is not just pre trip resistance. This is

something real I need to take care of. But I've learned in most

scenarios to show up regardless of my pre trip resistance. Like, I let myself have

the mind drama. I let myself have the Like, I let myself have the mind

drama. I let myself have the resistance, and I do it anyways because I know

that I'm ready, and I know it's just my brain trying

to keep me in my comfort zone.

And the brain is a really sneaky thing.

Our brains want us to stay in the comfort zone stay in our

comfort zone so that anytime that we push ourselves out of our comfort zone,

like, our brains will start to throw a fit. So we

don't experience as much of this mind drama when we are in the

learning phase of our journey. So let's say you joined our backpacking badass

program and you're still feeling pretty excited and you're not feeling that mind

drama so intensely because in that phase you're kind of watching

videos, you're practicing things at home, you're going on hikes

that maybe are more in your comfort zones. You're not experiencing that kind

of pre trip panic as deeply usually

because you haven't yet risked anything, right? But going on

an actual backpacking trip is going to make your brain

freak out because it doesn't know how it plays out, especially

if you're brand new. But even if you're not brand new, like I said, like

I experience this pretty much all the time, the brain doesn't know

how, like, your trip's gonna play out and so it will usually offer

you a lot of reasons to, like, back out. It's like we should just back

out because it doesn't like the unknown. So the important

thing here is to remember that this resistance that you

feel is really normal. It's a really normal human feeling

to experience before your trip. And one quote that I always like

to remind myself of before I head out to do anything outside of

my comfort zone is that resistance is the tax you

have to pay in order to achieve your dreams. So if you're doing

something big, you've set a big goal, expect that you will have that

pre trip resistance, that panic, all of those things. I

can remember actually coaching a client really recently. She

was about to do one of her big goals this year

was to do a solo backpacking trip, like a longer solo

backpacking trip. And she was going to do the Trans

Catalina Trail and she came on one of our coaching calls

because we do, like, weekly not weekly, but we do 3 coaching calls a month

in our Backpack Badass program and she hopped on one of our calls. And

she was feeling the pre trip resistance. And we were able to

kind of talk through it and be like, hey, you're ready.

I know you're ready. She's been doing a ton of trips. She's very skilled in

what she's doing. The trail she's going on is a really well maintained trail. It's

great. It's perfect solo backpacking trip for her. She was ready. But it's just that

pre trip resistance that happens, like, every single time. And she actually

just got

back from that, had a very successful trip. She did it despite the

pre trip resistance. So we have to make it through the resistance

and the mind drama and hit the trail regardless, and that is

when the magic happens. I actually

personally think a lot of times people think the hardest part about backpacking is,

like, the actual backpacking, but I think the hardest

part about backpacking is actually making it to the trailhead.

And that is because of this resistance and the mind drama that can pop up

right before a trip. And the thing is a lot of

people just don't know how to identify it properly. So they have that pre trip

resistance, and they think something has gone wrong, and that they

shouldn't do the backpacking trip. So they make it mean they shouldn't go.

And that's what I want to encourage you not to do. I want you to

I mean, of course, like think through it. Be like, is this a

legitimate safety concern or not? And then make your decision going

forward. And today, I just wanted to share this concept with

you so that you really can become and start to become more aware

that this happens to almost everyone, and it's probably going to happen to you again

and again, and that nothing has gone wrong and

the magic happens when you choose to wade through that resistance

and see your goal through the end. I want you to expect

it, I want you to anticipate it, and I want you to

prepare for it. So when you feel all of that

resistance, those mind drama thoughts, like, acknowledge it for what it is

and show up for your goal anyways. Yes. It will feel

uncomfortable and, yes, it will feel like you're going against sometimes it

will feel like you're going against what you want because, like, in the moment, you

may not want to go on that backpacking trip, but you know

that kinda, like, that kind of

aligned version of you, the version of you that set this goal in

the 1st place does want to do it, right, your current

desires aren't in alignment with your desires to grow sometimes. So

we have to recognize that in the moment. So you've got

to persevere. And in my experience, you will

be so thankful that you did. I have never regretted

showing up for a trip even if I had massive resistance going

into it. We actually we had a student

in our Backpacking Badass community who post about hiking Mount Shasta as

well a while back and how her guided trip

was changed because of the weather. Like, there were some weather window

issues and the plan changed, and she started to question if she could handle it

or not. It started to kind of, like, make her freak out started to question

if she could handle it or not. It started to kind of like make her

freak out because things were changing, and it felt more unknown. And she was asking

us if she should back out. And I recognized that resistance but also just reminded

her, I'm like, you're in good hands.

She had signed up for a guided trip. I'm like, you're in good hands. You're

with guides that know this mountain really well. They're going to be helping you through

the safety calls, the pivots, the process, and that you

should show up anyways. And even if it's a little different than

the trip had been originally planned, there's so much that you're going to gain from

that experience. And you might just have an

amazing time because you never know what your experience is going to be

like in the mountains, and that it might kind of help

her up level on what's possible for her because she showed up and she was

willing to show up. So

now I'm sure some of you might be asking yourselves

or you want to ask me, like, Allison, how do I differentiate between

resistance, this pre trip resistance that I'm talking about,

and a real safety concern or a real

readiness concern? And so let's just quickly chat

about that too. So at first, they

might sound the same in your brain. Like, I gave you an example of my

thoughts being like, this is going to be dangerous. But

my brain my brain I don't know. Just pay attention to what

yours says. We're all a little bit different. My brain says this is

going to be dangerous anytime I do anything that's

not in my house watching Netflix. So anytime it's remotely

out of just being in my home lying horizontal on the

couch, my brain is like, I don't know, is it going to be dangerous? Like

it's always offering that to me. So what you really need to do

is like ask yourself, like maybe get out a journal or whatever it

is, ask yourself if you really believe

that. Do you really believe that's true for you? Get

as honest with yourself as possible. And it's not just to the question,

like, is this going to be dangerous? Because like maybe

there are elements of danger, but like do we really feel like this is too

dangerous to go on? Or whatever thought is coming up for you, like I'm really

busy, like I don't want to do this. Get really deep on

if this is really true for you, that aligned version of you.

And you will likely know when you're panicking for no

reason or if the concern you have is legitimate

and either maybe you need to learn more or you

need to do more research or whatever. So like in my example of the John

Muir Trail that I mentioned earlier, I kind of want to come back to that.

In that example, we did have a real safety concern, and that

was wildfires. But when I got down

to it, I was like, Okay, I don't think just because there are

wildfires that are existing in the Sierra Nevada mountains doesn't mean we

can't go on our trip because I knew

that I was also really prepared for mitigating that

concern on the trail and still managing my safety when I was on

the trail. Like, I had prepared for that. I had a

safety contact that was updating us constantly. I had my Garmin inReach

Mini. We had a protocol for how it was going to communicate. She was going

to send us fire updates like every day. And also

if anything concerning came up, she was going to send us to us whenever that

came up. And we knew the trails backwards and

forwards. Like I had done a lot of pre trip planning and all the things.

So there are a lot of pivot points and bail points on

the John Muir Trail if we needed to bail for whatever

reason, like a fire popped up. And we

knew it wasn't like ego wouldn't be the reason

we kept going if it became too unpredictable and unsafe. And

all that was left was for me to trust myself with

the plans that I had made, all the preparation in my entire

life leading up to this moment knowing that I'm a safe and confident backpacker

to trust myself that I could handle it, that I could make those calls when

we were out there, and that we were doing our best and being as responsible

as possible, right? So we ultimately decided to go and take

it day by day. And with that example, actually, we did reach a

point in our trail. It was about 12 days in, because we were going to

do the full John Muir Trail as 20

days or 22 days, I think is what we had planned,

in one shot. But we actually did one day. Michael and I were

camping. It seemed a little bit smokier, and then my

friend sent me an inReach mini message. And I checked

in on it, and she said, hey, there's a new fire that popped up, and

it's right where you're headed to do your next resupply. And

she told me some more information about it. And Michael and I, that night, we

pulled out our maps, and we knew we were also coming across

like, on our maps, we could see that there was a ranger station coming up.

And so we decided, like, looking at all of our options,

it kind of was sounding like a really big fire and kind of really

like it wasn't getting under control and it was right where we were headed. So

we were thinking already that we were probably going to have to bail. That was

going to be our plan. And we were going to check-in at the ranger station

on our bail point out, so we decided to pick a point to leave.

And I feel like that was Bishop it was like around Bishop Pass. And

there was a ranger station right around there. And as we were hiking out the

next day, as we were hiking out the

next day, there were signs posted on the trail from the

rangers that all hikers needed to leave. They were like shutting down

the forest because the fire was too unpredictable,

and they just wanted everyone to get off safely before it became a concern.

So it was funny. We had actually known that we were going to do this

before we even saw those signs, but that obviously confirmed it and

reinforced it. And we were actually able to get

you know, we weren't intending to bail at Bishop Pass. But because we

had that in reach and we were doing that communication with my safety contact, she

coordinated a pickup at the Bishop Hash Trailhead for us

with a trail shuttle guide that was out there. So

we handled that so smoothly, and I'm so like, we

got 12 amazing days on the John Muir Trail, and we ended up going back

the next year and finishing it. So we hopped back on where we exited from

the fires and finished it the next year. But I'm so happy that I didn't

let that pre trip resistance

and anxiety prevent me from even starting and

trying because there's so much value, too. So

even if ultimately we did end up having to cut our John Muir Trail

hike short that year, and that was sad, yes, because you do a lot

of prep for a trail and you know, but it happens.

And that experience was super valuable experience. And I actually got to take a

lot of lessons from that trip and share a lot of those with my

clients. And we got to create new resources for our clients. And like, how do

you navigate this stuff? How do you create pivots? How do you

make these decisions? How do you have conversations with your safety

contact? All these beautiful things came out of that experience.

And you will feel, like when you navigate these experiences on your own in

the outdoors, like so much more trust in yourself

going forward. So this is how we build it. We got to go out there.

We have to get experience, right? So ultimately,

I'm just telling you to question your thoughts first. Before that you

believe a thought is true, when you have that mind drama, when you're

experiencing that pre trip resistance, before you believe it's true,

like, question it. Because often, this is just our brain in

panic mode. Right? And then a lot of our risk assessment

can come before we even hit the trail. So, like, I said, what we had

done with the John Muir Trail, like, making a super solid trip plan

and safety plan, knowing your trail forward and backwards,

practicing all those key safety skill sets, knowing your

possible escape routes if you need to bail, having a communication

plan with your safety contact, utilizing things

like Garmin and Reach Mini devices if you, like, have them to

keep tabs with your loved ones, to keep tabs with your safety contacts.

These are all things that we do before we even hit the trail. And if

you've done this pre work, you'll know if your brain is just giving you

mind drama or if you're truly not ready or prepared for a

trail. Right? And then when you've done that pre work, when

you hit the trail, you'll just be so much more at ease at making decisions

on the fly because you are prepared. You know that when

you come up to something that is too outside of your comfort zone,

you won't be afraid to pivot. So like another example of this

is one time I did Onion Valley to Whitney portal and this was

actually pretty early on in my backpacking journey, so maybe like

2015 or 2016, I can't remember exactly

at this moment. But I remember we

were doing it early in the season. It was a particularly dry year in California,

so it was like June. Usually that place is pretty snowy still in June, but

it wasn't that year. But there was one pass we had to go over,

Forrester Pass. It's at like 13,000 feet that we were not

sure what the snow conditions would be like and if

it would feel too dangerous. And we did have people in our group that didn't

have mountaineering experience, like I had mountaineering experience.

And so that is about like halfway it's like at a

halfway point from Onion Valley to Whitney Portal 2 so it was like it

was a point to point hike. So we went into that knowing that that was

a big question mark because we didn't have really any updated

data on that area at the time. And our

plan was if it felt too unsafe to

go over that pass because of the snow, we were willing to

just turn back around and go back the way we came. Like, these are

things that you can think about before you even hit the trail, and that's like

an example. So when you're not afraid to pivot, you know,

like maybe you'll decide to camp at a different spot than you originally planned. Maybe

you'll decide to do a shorter trip because you've learned to listen to your body

through the training, and you're already feeling tired. Like, you can make these decisions when

you're out there. Or maybe you'll decide to not summit a peak

because it looks more technical than you expected kind of in the Forrester example that

I've given or the weather turns. I've definitely had many times that

I've gone out to the mountains where we started heading up a peak and

then we started seeing all these storm clouds go and I'm like I don't like

to mess around with lightning, that freaks me out and

it's unsafe and usually I'm with a group and I've made safety calls

to turn everyone around because we just want to be extra safe and

cautious, right? You can learn to make these pivot and safety calls

and learning to pivot and make safety calls in the mountains is

all part of being a safe, confident, and self

sufficient outdoor backpacker. But if you cannot make it

past your mind drama and the pre trip resistance, you

will never get to practice this very, very

important skill. So that

is it for today. I just wanted to bring this

concept into your awareness so that next time

that you experience this resistance before a trip, again,

expect it about a week to 2 weeks out from your

trip. Every time, almost every time,

if you experience this, just know that that's what this is. Come back to

this episode, listen to this if you need some encouragement. Save

this one, right? Because this happens to all of us.

And if you're listening to this and you're feeling like

it's hard to distinguish between that, like, am I ready for this anxiety and

fear that comes up before a trip and that pre trip resistance, then

I really, really recommend joining us in the backpacking badass

program and community where you can learn how to distinguish

between those pre trip pep skills and the pre trip panic

so that, ultimately, like, you can get out there and, like, start practicing

and gaining some important experience on your adventures and obviously

having a great time in the mountains. So I hope you

enjoyed this episode. And if you have any questions

about pre trip resistance or want to talk through anything you can find me on

Instagram. I hope you have a lovely week and I'll talk to you next

time. Bye. Hey. I wanted to

thank you real quick for tuning in to the show and listening all the way

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learn more about our backpacking badass coaching program where I teach you

absolutely everything you need to know to be self reliant on the trails

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I'd love to help you more in your journey of stepping into your adventurous

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and you can learn all about it there. So that's it for today, folks.

I hope you get to spend some time outside this week, and I'll be back

very soon with a brand new episode. Bye.