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Nathan:the mostest Ellie Escobar What a reunion, Sam you're Three weeks
Nathan:Ellie is back as a guest tonight.
Nathan:And here we are reviewing this awesome It'll be here.
Nathan:I can't wait to catch up with you But I got, before we get into
Nathan:that, I have a really important question I have to ask you.
Nathan:This is a really simple one.
Nathan:It's a simple, multiple choice question for each of you.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:You ready for this?
Nathan:Oh, okay.
Nathan:It's important.
Nathan:It's important.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:It sets the stage, sets the tone for the show.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:You're browsing Amazon for a good deal on household cleaning supplies.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:When the delivery truck comes to your house, there's a mix up and
Nathan:the Ark of the Covenant accidentally ended up on your doorstep, courtesy
Nathan:of some major warehouse mix up.
Nathan:I'm just assuming that they share the same warehouse, that's all I can guess.
Nathan:But what do you do next?
Nathan:A.
Nathan:Do you call the government and hope they're available for a pickup?
Nathan:Or B.
Nathan:Do you sell it on eBay and see what kind of bids you get?
Nathan:Ancient mystical arcs likely used.
Nathan:Or C.
Nathan:Try to open it yourself, armed with sunglasses and a lot of sunscreen.
Nathan:Or D.
Nathan:Donate to a museum and become a local hero, but secretly regret not opening it.
Nathan:These are your only four options.
Nathan:I would, yeah.
Nathan:Oh, sorry.
Nathan:Tim.
Nathan:No, you go first.
Nathan:No, please.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I was going to go in order of we're going to go tonight.
Nathan:Absolutely.
Eli:I'm going to open it cause I like that.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:I'm a risk taker.
Eli:I'm going to open that thing.
Eli:I want to know what's inside.
Eli:And if I like it, I may never like secretly keep it.
Eli:I just going to secretly keep it.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Sam what would you do?
Sam:And I don't know if I can say the same thing, but what I would do is I
Sam:would not look at it, but I would invite a whole bunch of people to my house that I
Sam:don't open it, have it kill them all off.
Sam:And then I just be like, Ah, good.
Nathan:All your Nazi friends?
Sam:I have no Nazi friends.
Sam:No, I have no Nazi friends.
Sam:I just met like coworkers that I, people in life that like, I wouldn't
Sam:mind if they like melted and stuff.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I
Eli:think I just missed the beginning of this story.
Eli:Was it a bomb inside?
Eli:No, the Ark of the Covenant.
Eli:No, the Ark of the Covenant.
Eli:Oh, that's right.
Eli:Oh, dude.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:No, I I gotta keep it.
Eli:I gotta keep it.
Nathan:You're gonna open it though?
Eli:I'm gonna open it, but I hope that, I'm gonna have some glasses.
Eli:Some kind of glasses on glasses and sunscreen.
Eli:That was yeah.
Eli:The sunglasses.
Eli:Yep.
Eli:There you go.
Eli:I'm still going to open it.
Eli:Yep.
Bee:You guys are so brave.
Bee:I'm going to give it to a museum and then be a little sad about it, but maybe I'll
Bee:make some cool museum friends and they'll let me check out the other exhibits.
Bee:I don't know.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:If you hadn't guessed, we watched Raiders of the Lost Ark this week.
Nathan:And we are going to be talking about that.
Nathan:But one thing before we do we are just, we got to catch up with Ellie.
Nathan:We haven't seen you since March, April.
Nathan:I don't know exactly what's like at the beginning of the year.
Nathan:Like we wrapped up our epic romance.
Nathan:Romance I think what English page end of February, early March around there.
Nathan:That was our last episode with you.
Nathan:So that was
Bee:a great series.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I think series in a lot of ways.
Nathan:Cause We got the notebook in on that one.
Nathan:If you remember,
Eli:I was going to leave, I was going to leave with a bang with my
Eli:favorite film being on that boat.
Eli:So
Sam:time may have passed, but you are still my meal.
Sam:Nova center.
Sam:Noventa.
Eli:The gray, you still look like you don't age at all.
Eli:So
Nathan:whatever would you mind telling a little bit, what have you been doing
Nathan:after your retirement from the podcast?
Eli:So I've been really busy auditioning a lot of, I think a lot of the things One
Eli:of the things that Sadly, as I had to step away from the podcast was so that I could
Eli:focus more on my acting and also writing.
Eli:And since I left, I've been I went on vacation to my country El Salvador
Eli:after 10 years and I loved it.
Eli:It was such a great place.
Eli:Right now, El Salvador is so safe.
Eli:It's There isn't even petty thieves around because nobody
Eli:wants to make the president mad.
Eli:Everybody loves the president and wants to make him proud.
Eli:But it was a wonderful experience being in El Salvador for two years.
Eli:And then just after I came back, it was all this audition is auditions
Eli:waiting for me and just been auditioning with Boston casting my
Eli:agent and taking some acting classes.
Eli:And I actually booked a few of the gigs too, so I've been on set and just
Eli:really tied along my acting and I'm.
Eli:Just tweaking the script that I wrote.
Eli:It's like a screenplay.
Eli:It's a short film.
Eli:And I called it IAI, but I recently changed the name to Penelope Awakens
Eli:because I love the name Penelope.
Eli:And it's a little bit of a like the whole story, what I want to do
Eli:with the story is I want it to have a sense of morality and values.
Eli:When it comes to AI, so I've been reading a lot of on AI and researching,
Eli:and I've learned so much about the whole AI situation and how it started
Eli:in 1956 and where it lay dormant for so many years from 1956 because there
Eli:was no money then they tried to bring AI in the seventies and that didn't
Eli:work because there was no money.
Eli:And then they tried it in the eighties and that didn't work
Eli:because there was no money.
Eli:And then.
Eli:Towards the millennial time, like two thousands, that's when it picked
Eli:up and it's picked up so fast.
Eli:It's and because now there's investors and the investors are usually the rich people
Eli:who want to, chunk of that AI money and they want to be the first ones to have
Eli:that AI the AI changes that are coming and they are coming and is inevitable, as
Eli:much as we would like to think it's not.
Eli:So I love.
Eli:I started writing this out of, I don't know, it just came to my head.
Eli:I have a lot of stories in my head, but this one's the one that
Eli:developed the most and I should be casting pretty soon for it.
Eli:It's just female.
Eli:It's going to be female cast.
Eli:It's it really is just two females really.
Eli:And I'm not yet, if I'm going to be in a film I want to be on the other side
Eli:of it, not in the, yes, I'm excited.
Eli:And what else?
Eli:Let me see.
Eli:Oh, about a month ago in July, I started up running.
Eli:I started running.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:Four times a week.
Eli:And let me tell you guys, I started running like really slowly.
Eli:I think I was running like 30 minutes a mile.
Eli:This week I actually started running 16 minutes per mile.
Eli:So
Eli:Impressive.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:So this is my second month and I, the changes that, that I feel
Eli:the energy and it's just great.
Eli:I slowly by surely I've been achieving this goal of mine.
Eli:It wasn't even a goal.
Eli:I just went running with Carlos and it's become a thing.
Eli:Like it's just now it's We're going to go running, we're going to go
Eli:running, so I plan to keep running even through the winter, the cold weather.
Eli:Yeah,
Eli:that's
Eli:pretty much it.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:Okay.
Nathan:Wonderful.
Nathan:Thank you for catching us up on what's going on.
Nathan:I also want to point out one thing and.
Nathan:This may also fly into the radar, but this is a a one year anniversary.
Nathan:Something also very important.
Nathan:Bea, you have been with us now one year.
Nathan:Oh,
Nathan:Bea!
Nathan:What a good year.
Nathan:What a good year, Stan.
Nathan:Yay.
Nathan:That's wonderful.
Nathan:Time flies, man.
Nathan:This is quite the episode.
Nathan:I'm excited.
Nathan:Speech, speech, everyone.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Speech.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Speech.
Nathan:No,
Nathan:I won't spring that on you.
Bee:I'm glad it was on a good movie.
Nathan:Raiders of the Lost Ark, I have a plot synopsis here in 1936,
Nathan:archaeologists and adventurers of the U S what, who wrote this synopsis?
Nathan:Anyways, in 1936, archaeologists and adventurers of the U S government
Nathan:hired Indiana Jones to find the Ark of the Covenant before the Nazis
Nathan:could obtain its extraordinary powers.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:That's concise.
Nathan:Here is a snippet of the trailer.
Nathan:The
Trailer:Bible speaks of the ark leveling mountains and
Trailer:laying waste to entire regions.
Trailer:That's something to be taken lightly.
Trailer:No one knows its secrets.
Trailer:Jones, do you realize what the ark is?
Trailer:It's a transmitter.
Trailer:It's a radio for speaking to God.
Trailer:It's an army which carries the ark before it.
Trailer:is invincible.
Trailer:The Ark.
Trailer:It is their atonis.
Trailer:And it is something that man was not meant to disturb.
Trailer:It is protected by forces beyond imagination.
Trailer:It is desired above all treasures on Earth.
Trailer:By those who are good, trust me, and those who are evil, I'll
Trailer:tell you everything.
Trailer:Yes, I know you will.
Trailer:Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Trailer:All right.
Nathan:Sam the Sixth, do you have the movie facts for us?
Sam:Alright there are so many movie facts on this one that I tried
Sam:to cherry pick them a little bit.
Sam:Jump in if I miss anything, but first let me get some basic data across.
Sam:This was directed by someone named Steven Spielberg.
Sam:Never
Nathan:heard of him.
Nathan:Never
Sam:heard of him.
Sam:Haha.
Sam:Haha.
Sam:Haha.
Sam:The screenplay was by Lawrence Kasdan, story by George Lucas and Philip
Sam:Kaufman, produced by Frank Marshall and stars obviously Harrison Ford, Karen
Sam:Allen, Paul Freeman as an excellent villain, Ronald Lacey as an intimidating
Sam:villain John Rhys Davis and Denholm Elliott, cinematography by Douglas Don't
Nathan:forget first role for Alfred Molina.
Nathan:First
Sam:role for Alfred Molina, day one on the set.
Sam:He's covered in tarantulas.
Sam:And since I'm doing facts, I'll say that none of the tarantulas
Sam:were moving on his shirt.
Sam:They were all male spiders.
Sam:So Spielberg had them put a female spider on his jacket and all the spiders
Sam:started jumping and crawling around.
Sam:And that's how they got the spiders to move.
Sam:Cinematography by Douglas Slacombe, who did the first four Indiana
Sam:Jones film edited by Spielberg's
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:His credits go all the way back to 1942.
Sam:Oh, incredible.
Sam:His his many frequent collaborator, Michael Kahn, music by John Williams,
Sam:production company, Lucasfilm.
Sam:And let me go into more in depth.
Sam:Detailed facts.
Sam:So the legendary beginning of this is that in May of 1977,
Sam:George Lucas was vacationing with Steven Spielberg in Hawaii.
Sam:The week Star Wars opened because he wanted to escape, he was afraid
Sam:Star Wars was going to be a flop.
Sam:It was not.
Sam:He breathed a sigh of relief when it was a huge hit, big opening weekend.
Sam:And he asked Steven, he said, what do you want to do next?
Sam:And Steven Spielberg said, I've always wanted to direct a James Bond movie.
Sam:And I've been trying to do that.
Sam:And Lucas said, I have something that's better than Bond.
Sam:And that's when he started telling him the story of Indiana Smith.
Sam:It was called at the time a playboy archeologist and then, and a tomb
Sam:raider Spielberg loved the concept.
Sam:And so that's where this, where the beginnings of this fateful partnership.
Sam:Occurred interestingly enough.
Sam:I really liked the how the story coalesced.
Sam:They met at Lucas's assistant's house assistant's house in Sherman Oaks.
Sam:And for eight hours a day for a couple of days, Steven Spielberg and George
Sam:Lucas with Lawrence Kazdan recording them, Because he was the screenwriter.
Sam:They just sat in a room and talked about set pieces that they wanted to
Sam:see, visuals that they wanted to see.
Sam:Lawrence Kasdan took down all these notes and it was up to him to coalesce
Sam:all that material into a screenplay.
Sam:Which I actually think is an organic way to start with a movie like that.
Sam:It sounds Just like spitballing, but I'm fascinating.
Sam:Fun fact Indiana is he, Lucas came up with a character from his Alaskan Malmute dog
Sam:which will be referenced in a later film.
Sam:And this movie at the time was actually a hard sell to many studios.
Sam:If you can believe it, because at the time Spielberg had a
Sam:reputation for going over schedule.
Sam:and over budget and this time 1941 was a big budget box office flop.
Sam:And so Spielberg was determined to come in under budget and under
Sam:schedule, which he did, and which I actually think really helped this film.
Sam:Famously, Tom Selleck was picked for the role of Indiana Jones, but due to his
Sam:fractional obligations with Magnum P.
Sam:I., he could not do the film.
Sam:In 1999, the Library of Congress added this into their library of
Sam:films of cultural significance.
Sam:This was shot in La Rochelle, France, Tunisia, Hawaii, and Elstree Studios,
Sam:England, was where they did all the studio work because of course, since
Sam:this was a Lucasfilm production, they had an apparatus set up in England
Sam:and they had a whole bunch of Star Wars tech crew already, so going to
Sam:L3 studios for them was a perfect fit.
Sam:This fact, I actually only just learned today, to save the budget,
Sam:the, at the very end, there's a brief establishing shot of Washington, D.
Sam:C., and It's from a movie called the Hindenburg from 1975.
Sam:They just use footage from another film.
Sam:So they didn't have to go out and shoot that establishing shot.
Sam:I did not know this.
Sam:And on a personal note, I've always found this story fascinating, even
Sam:though it's indirectly related.
Sam:Spielberg.
Sam:In the middle of the Tunisian desert, when he was feeling very lonely and
Sam:isolated and Raiders in some ways is much more technical than some of the
Sam:other movies he's done, it's all about action, he wanted to get something
Sam:back to more of a spiritual tone, and it was in the Tunisian desert, when he
Sam:first came up with the concept of E.
Sam:T.
Sam:the Extra Terrestrial, while they were shooting, and he actually talked Harrison
Sam:Ford's girlfriend at the time, Melissa Mathison, to write the screenplay for E.
Sam:T., right at first draft.
Sam:She was not interested in doing it.
Sam:And it was Harrison that came between Stephen and her and said, I, you
Sam:should really give this a shot.
Sam:I just write the script for him and see what happens.
Sam:And so the rest there is history.
Sam:Please jump in.
Sam:Those are some of the main facts.
Sam:This is one of those movies.
Sam:There's so much lore and there's so much that I could, just go on forever.
Sam:So that's my, Brief chunk off the top of my head,
Nathan:Sam, you hit the big ones.
Nathan:Absolutely.
Nathan:Those are great.
Nathan:Just to mention a few things about the crew behind this, you
Nathan:have mentioned Steven Spielberg.
Nathan:This is a sixth feature film.
Nathan:Lawrence Caston, we reviewed a Lawrence Caston film about a year
Nathan:ago, he directed Body Heat 81.
Nathan:known for the big chill Silverado.
Nathan:He also, before this was the writer of Empire Strikes Back as well.
Nathan:So he's worked on a few things.
Nathan:What a crew George Lucas pulled together for this.
Nathan:And I feel George Lucas was one of the producers on this,
Nathan:but this was really his baby.
Nathan:And I think that sometimes gets overlooked sometimes, but he's the one that brought
Nathan:in like Douglas Slocum and John Williams and a lot of these people, and it
Nathan:means so much credit has to go for him.
Nathan:John Williams, the score
Bee:is incredible.
Nathan:It is.
Nathan:And how this did not win best score.
Nathan:I don't know.
Nathan:I actually, let me get into some of the awards here.
Nathan:Cause I did pull this up here.
Nathan:This was nominated for nine Academy Awards in 1982 and the 82 Academy Awards
Nathan:nominated for art direction, editing sound, editing, visual effects, nothing
Nathan:for wardrobe, which I was surprised.
Nathan:Wow.
Nathan:Cause I totally would think that this should have gotten one did win for.
Nathan:But that's what it did win for.
Nathan:Sorry.
Nathan:It won for art direction, editing sound, editing, visual effects.
Nathan:It got nominated, but did not win for best picture.
Nathan:Only Indiana Jones film to get nominated for best picture.
Nathan:Lost to chariots of fire.
Sam:Did chariots of fire win best score that year?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:That's what I thought.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And everyone knows the song from that.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah, exactly.
Nathan:Lost best director to Warren Beatty for Reds.
Nathan:Also a cinematography to Reds and we talked about score.
Nathan:So that's the, and there's other BAFTA and other awards and global goals, but those
Nathan:are the academy awards I picked up on.
Nathan:I dunno if we mentioned this came out on June 12th, 1981, came out the same
Nathan:day as History of the World Part One
Nathan:and
Nathan:released one week after this was Superman.
Nathan:Two.
Nathan:What?
Nathan:What a great summer.
Nathan:What?
Nathan:What?
Nathan:What a, what an amazing June.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And these came in, I think one and two in the box office at the end of the year.
Nathan:This was the number one movie of 81.
Nathan:I think Superman two may have been number.
Nathan:To I have to look at it,
Nathan:but
Nathan:yeah 20 million.
Nathan:This movie was, that's nothing.
Nathan:And yeah, calculate that on today's money.
Nathan:That's only 77 million.
Nathan:So that's still not a lot.
Nathan:That
Sam:is literally 7 million less than the price of alien Romulus to give you a
Nathan:And at the time and its initial release made 212 million, but overall 300
Nathan:and almost 390 million overall global.
Nathan:So
Sam:Paramount executives at the time, because it was doing so
Sam:well in the summer, it had, it was one of the leggiest box off.
Sam:It, it played in theaters for almost a year.
Sam:And so all the Paramount.
Sam:Executives in the fall jokingly said, Hey, Raiders is going to be a great
Sam:Christmas movie too, because it just went right through the whole year.
Nathan:And two other pieces trivia, I know you mentioned the Tom Selleck thing.
Nathan:I just want to ask before we get into really review, what do you think
Nathan:about this movie with Tom Selleck?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Thumbs down from Ellie.
Nathan:No.
Sam:I don't think it would have been awful.
Sam:I just think it would have been very different in terms of his energy.
Sam:I see why they liked him, but I'm really glad that it was, Harrison
Sam:Ford was so destined to do it.
Sam:Lucas didn't want to do Harrison because he thought That audiences would perceive
Sam:that he was using Harrison too much in American graffiti and in Star Wars.
Sam:And now he's in this, he was very wanted a fresh face and it was Spielberg that
Sam:pushed for Harrison, which was great.
Sam:He
Eli:was married.
Eli:He was,
Eli:Tom Selleck is not eye candy.
Eli:And.
Eli:Back in the day, because I, for me,
Bee:I have, I had, I'm
Sam:not from friends thinks he is.
Sam:Cause they had a relationship in that show,
Nathan:but I remember in the main reason why he looked at what Scorsese
Nathan:and how he used Robert De Niro.
Nathan:It was like, he did not want to be that guy that had Oh, I'm using
Nathan:the same actor for all my pictures.
Sam:And also to quote Lucas, he's I don't know if we can, I don't know if
Sam:we can get Harrison for three movies is she's going to, it's going to be
Sam:tough to get the contract on that one.
Nathan:And two other pieces, this is really minor stuff.
Nathan:The I read that the other earlier today, that his bullwhip
Nathan:auctioned off for 43, 000.
Nathan:Worth it.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:The whip, the bullet.
Nathan:Here's the interesting fact.
Nathan:And this just makes me feel old when I think about this.
Nathan:This film is now 43 years old in, in 1981, it's depicting the
Nathan:events that took place in 1936.
Nathan:And it's really weird when to think that this movie.
Nathan:If it were to come out today, and we were to look back at the events that
Nathan:took place 43 years prior, we'd be telling a story that took place in 1981.
Nathan:That's crazy.
Nathan:Yeah, that's
Nathan:funny, eh?
Nathan:Time messing with you, but that's, I thought about that just recently.
Nathan:On a side note,
Sam:I think the fedora, didn't the fedora, the original hat, sell recently
Sam:at an auction for some ridiculous price?
Sam:Like this summer there was a, yeah.
Nathan:You think I could rock that fedora?
Nathan:and
Nathan:It's a deep rabbit hole of facts and trivia that we could get into,
Nathan:but that'd be probably pretty boring.
Nathan:Let's get into our reviews and this, our thoughts on this.
Nathan:Ellie, you are a guest of honor.
Nathan:We brought you back specifically for this episode cause we know what
Nathan:a big fan you are of this film.
Nathan:Tell us is this movie any good?
Nathan:Yeah.
Eli:Are you kidding me?
Eli:I don't think I can ever stop.
Eli:Like every time I watch this movie and I have a habit of watching
Eli:movies that I like over and over, like The Notebook, for example.
Eli:Indiana Jones, not only is one of those favorite movies that I love, it's the
Eli:fact that Harrison for, I've always been or had a crush on him since the first
Eli:time I seen him like back in the 80s.
Eli:And it's funny enough back in the 80s, I didn't understand the movie
Eli:because I didn't speak English a lot.
Eli:I didn't understand a little bit concept.
Eli:I didn't even know what it was.
Eli:The whole thing was about, I didn't know about the Nazi.
Eli:Yeah, I was very, I watched for the action and for the good looking man in
Eli:it, because, back then he was all, always.
Eli:Older than me, but hey, I thought he was hot.
Eli:And I don't know guys, but there's a thing about men on
Eli:horses that I find extremely hot.
Eli:Okay.
Eli:I just, it just got, it gets to me.
Eli:I'll watch the movie just to see him on that horse over and over again.
Eli:But I love Indiana Jones.
Eli:I love everything from the comedy.
Eli:You forget that there's, it's not just action, but there's comedic
Eli:timing in this movie that is so cool.
Eli:And it just, I laugh all, always every time I watch this
Eli:movie, I'm always laughing.
Eli:The people's faces when they get scared or they get killed, it's
Eli:truthfully, that is not how you die.
Eli:But the fact that they made this dramatic face and you're the heck?
Eli:Really?
Eli:Okay, and then Spielberg.
Eli:I don't like spiders to the very first beginning.
Eli:I'm like, I don't like snakes either.
Eli:But, but I take snakes over spiders anytime.
Eli:But then I take neither.
Eli:But the fact that the whole idea of the arc, As humans, we always try
Eli:to like at the beginning, Nathan gave us the option to give the art
Eli:to the museum or not open the box.
Eli:But as humans, we're going to be curious and we're going to want to open it.
Eli:We want to know what's inside and that's going to kill us.
Eli:Eventually, because we don't pay attention, but I love the whole
Eli:concept of the film and, the Nazis being the evil people that they were,
Eli:back in the day and to see them being obliterated, it's actually a good feeling.
Eli:I'm sorry.
Eli:I'm not like, I have a human side to me, but I have no sympathy for Nazi
Eli:and anyone who tries to obliterate another race because, just because.
Eli:And so I love that Spielberg and, obviously for all the obvious reasons,
Eli:he created this film and did just that.
Eli:So I truly enjoyed this film.
Eli:I love Harrison.
Eli:I love the whole.
Eli:Concept of the Indiana Jones series, I've watched them all, and even the
Eli:last one, when was it last year?
Eli:So I went to the movies and I saw it and I liked the, how they tied it together
Eli:and brought the girlfriend, the wife back.
Eli:Right.
Eli:Cause I've seen other shows where.
Eli:They don't bring the people back, so it's like sad that they don't do that.
Eli:So I don't know, it's a good feel movie for me, just really fun to watch.
Eli:It's entertaining.
Eli:It's entertaining.
Eli:You're rooting for Indiana.
Eli:He's hot.
Eli:He's just, uh, he, After fighting, it makes me want to be Indiana Jones.
Eli:Like I could, in my head, I could close my eyes and see myself being Indiana Jones.
Eli:By the way, my dad became Indiana Jones for Halloween.
Eli:This is where we got the hat that you saw earlier.
Eli:He had the whip, he had everything.
Eli:So I was like, yes, my dad is Indiana Jones.
Eli:And in reality, I think of my dad as an Indiana Jones kind of guy, cause
Eli:he fixes everything that's broken.
Eli:He really does.
Eli:He's very mechanic.
Eli:He's a mechanic by trade since he was like 11 years old.
Eli:There is nothing my dad cannot do to fix.
Eli:He'll fix it.
Eli:I just know he'll fix it.
Eli:And so Indiana Jones is like that way.
Eli:He'll fix everything.
Eli:He'll figure out a way to get out of any situation.
Eli:And that's my dad.
Eli:So my dad is actually Indiana Jones.
Eli:So I live with Indiana Jones.
Nathan:That's awesome.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Ellie, so I got to ask if you had to give it a rating from
Nathan:one to five, let me see 10.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Five.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:I think I am I'm next.
Nathan:So I, I've been mulling this over for a while, how to put my words, my thoughts
Nathan:about Raiders of the Lost Ark, into this review and it's really hard to do.
Nathan:Cause I fear about fear that much of what I'm going to say is going to sound very.
Nathan:Hyperbolic because honestly, this film along with probably the first two Star
Nathan:Wars films are the Holy Trinity of what action adventure was for me growing up.
Trailer:And I
Nathan:remember reenacting in the backyard with friends
Nathan:scenes from this movie.
Nathan:We pretended that the boulder was chasing after us, or we were like, Crawling like
Nathan:we had a friend that had a big pickup truck and we would like climb underneath
Nathan:it, holding on, thinking that pretending it was like driving down, a dirt road.
Nathan:So we were doing all these things.
Nathan:This, and this was long before I thought about a career in the industry.
Nathan:Everything about this movie is just pure magic for me.
Nathan:It's probably the film that I most consistently returned to every couple
Nathan:of years and it never fails to.
Nathan:Bring the biggest smile to my face.
Nathan:Experiencing Raiders for me, I can only describe as a religious experience
Nathan:because it's about as perfect a movie.
Nathan:I think there is the characters.
Nathan:All of them, what I like about this is that they're all flawed in some
Nathan:way, even, Even Indiana Jones the art direction John Williams score,
Nathan:which still gives me goosebumps, probably more than any of his scores.
Nathan:It just, to this day the grand scope of everything.
Nathan:It's just incredible watching it this past week.
Nathan:Actually was a very emotional for me because two things
Nathan:recently took place in my life.
Nathan:I've entered.
Nathan:A new decade in my life.
Nathan:I've now watched this film in six different decades of my life, which is the
Nathan:only movie I can say that about right now.
Nathan:Which is almost like a religious experience in itself, but this is also
Nathan:like a dad movie and you talk about dads.
Nathan:Ellie, a moment ago, and I had the same experience.
Nathan:I've said this before, and I don't want anyone to misinterpret my worries, I
Nathan:love my two daughters, but they have no interest in watching this film, which
Nathan:kind of breaks my heart a little bit.
Nathan:I wish they did because I want so desperately.
Nathan:Desperately to share this movie with them or anyone, anybody who hasn't
Nathan:seen this, which makes me happy.
Nathan:Knowing that there's somebody on this podcast, that's never seen this
Nathan:before that, that we now have the opportunity to, we need to watch
Nathan:it be, even though I know that.
Nathan:No, it was my idea.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And also a few days ago, and I don't think he'll mind that I mentioned this, but a
Nathan:few days ago my best friend, His father, he was a great man, someone who I've
Nathan:looked up to for 40 years, passed away.
Nathan:And it really got me thinking about, movies that fathers share with their
Nathan:children and parents also, but I know this was one that they shared together.
Nathan:And this was, a friend of mine that I, he dressed up for.
Nathan:Halloween as Indiana Jones as well.
Nathan:I remember this and I think I, and I mentioned a year ago on
Nathan:our Dial Destiny episode that I went to the theater back in 1981.
Nathan:This was one of the formative movies that I remember, probably this one
Nathan:and maybe Star Trek, the motion picture and Empire Strike Strikes
Nathan:Back as like those first few films.
Nathan:I remember sharing with my dad, and I got to last year, return
Nathan:the favor when I took him.
Nathan:To see dial a destiny.
Nathan:So it feels like a full circle and, from so many conversations I've
Nathan:had with friends and acquaintances over my lifetime, this is a
Nathan:universal experience with this film.
Nathan:So whether it's raise the last dark or star Wars, or maybe even
Nathan:seeing ET, this is just one of those movies that, changes how.
Nathan:I look at the world when I was a young child, but you probably had to be there.
Nathan:That's the thing, to really have that kind of takeaway.
Nathan:I'm not sure coming at it with fresh eyes, if it holds that status, but
Nathan:I imagine, someone, If you see, if you pick up in those references that
Nathan:these, this movie is referencing in a modern cinema, it's there, it's
Nathan:all over the map in new movies now.
Nathan:So I'm when we get to be, I like, no, if you're picking up on all the
Nathan:references to Raiders in these other movies that you're gonna, we're gonna.
Nathan:See this month in newer films, but
Bee:anyways, I was thinking about that the whole time.
Bee:We'll talk about it
Nathan:This is a masterpiece of cinema.
Nathan:It's a five star movie five stars can't contain this film.
Nathan:That's my pick B I'm gonna hand I think you're Sam Oh, Sam's but yeah, sorry.
Nathan:Yeah, Sam.
Sam:Okay.
Sam:So I boy, yeah I literally feel the same way, Nathan.
Sam:I'm a little bit younger, so I'm 43 now.
Sam:And so I saw this on VHS for the first time, but it was my father
Sam:that introduced the film to me.
Sam:And I was obsessed with it as a five year old kid.
Sam:And And what Ellie was saying is that even when I was so little and
Sam:there was obviously like a lot of nuances and story beats that as a
Sam:little kid, I couldn't pick up on.
Sam:Spielberg is such a good visual storyteller that I could follow the action
Sam:and I could follow what was going on.
Sam:And as a little kid, this was the movie where the guy With the hat, fought the bad
Sam:guys and he went after the big chest, and I just, the brilliance of Steven Spielberg
Sam:is that his visual storytelling language is made for people ages eight through 80.
Sam:And you can just literally, And even if you
Eli:don't speak English or understand English well, you can still.
Eli:Follow the story, which is really cool because funny thing, Nathan,
Eli:did you say that I went to see this movie back then with my dad?
Eli:We both didn't really speak English really well, but it was my dad and I, cause they
Eli:wouldn't let me go to movies by myself, cause I was younger, so they were like,
Eli:you're not going to the movies alone.
Eli:So my dad would have to sit.
Eli:to see movies.
Eli:If I wanted to see a movie, he had to come and sit with me, cause I'd be like, my
Eli:mom was taking care of my little brother.
Eli:So I was just like, so it was really fun.
Eli:It's really awesome to hear both of you that your experiences are
Eli:also with your dads, because I thought I was the only one, but it's
Eli:cool to see that wasn't just me.
Eli:Sorry.
Sam:No, absolutely.
Sam:No, absolutely.
Sam:No he literally introduced me to Indiana Jones and he
Sam:encouraged my enjoyment of it.
Sam:And it really funny story.
Sam:I was in kindergarten watching this movie and I was obsessed with the
Sam:special effects of the finale when the arc of the covenant opens up and
Sam:destroys and kills all the Nazis.
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https:really concerned about him and they showed what I've been drawing and it was all
https:these face melting eyeballs popping out and my dad burst out laughing and said
https:no, this is he really loves the movie.
https:He's just reenacting the scene because he was enamored with it.
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https:and, acting out those scenes.
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https:India playing Indiana Jones outside.
https:In the dirt and in your backyard and the road and it's just it was just great.
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https:Steven Spielberg's direction in this movie is Spielberg himself has said,
https:this is one of the few movies that he can watch with his kids where he can enjoy
https:the movie for the movie sake by itself.
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https:just separate himself and enjoy it.
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https:if you look in the background of the shot, there are just extras upon extras,
https:like a thousand feet from the camera.
https:And in a modern film, they'd shoot the foreground and they'd
https:CGI Spielberg's effort where he puts that and he does that in.
https:All of his films, even today, in a different way, but just, and I
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https:action sequences of all time.
https:The editing is so perfect.
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https:John Williams storytelling of the music on the truck chase
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https:Has chapters of the chase and John Williams guide you through it.
https:It's just it's just like incredible.
https:It's so awesome.
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https:always had is I like the underlying.
https:mysticism of whatever the MacGuffin is, whether it's the Ark of the Covenant,
https:and we won't talk about the later films yet, but there is an underlying like
https:almost supernatural spiritual, it has, and it has nothing to do with dogmatic.
https:religion or anything like that.
https:It's more about the arc in the story.
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Bee:so good.
Bee:I can't,
Sam:yeah, I can't deal with it.
Sam:I don't want, I don't wanna cry because I'll start to cry so
Sam:I can say . I know seriously.
Nathan:I well up during that, the score and the look.
Nathan:On Indy's face, the smile that, and like he, that scene just glows.
Nathan:And I really, yeah,
Sam:it's just amazing.
Sam:And for me, it's just a flat out five stars.
Sam:And I also think the circumstances of Spielberg wanting to come in under budget.
Sam:He said that he did not indulge himself, meaning he, to save the budget they
Sam:cut out, they didn't use some techno crane shots and he kept himself in this.
Sam:And so the storytelling is so lean and mean, and just this movie
Sam:is just so pitch perfect that you just get to the end of it.
Sam:And you just, it's you just sit there and slow clap in silence.
Sam:Cause it's that was perfect five stars, but I don't even know what else To say,
Sam:, Eli: it's so funny, I have to tell you guys, I actually run to the
Sam:score of Radi Jean, the Lost Ark.
Sam:I, that's the music that I listen to.
Sam:And when I'm on the track, I don't run on the street.
Sam:I have to go to the track to run.
Sam:. Okay.
Eli:But when I run and I hear that music, I feel like I'm Indiana Jones running.
Eli:Oh yeah.
Eli:It just gives you that, yeah.
Eli:That extra.
Eli:I don't know, like just extra motivation, exactly.
Sam:And I'll say lastly, Ellie, you just reminded me of a fun fact that I forgot,
Sam:but John Williams came up with two scores.
Sam:One was done.
Sam:The other one was done.
Sam:And Spielberg said, why not combine both of them and keep them both?
Sam:I like them both.
Sam:I can't decide.
Sam:And so they're both part of the score.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Amazing.
Nathan:B, before we get to your review, I would love for you to share
Nathan:what you wrote down as a Sure.
Nathan:What do you know to be true about Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Nathan:or the franchise in general?
Bee:Yeah for anyone who's been following along, I have never seen
Bee:any of these movies, and I have somehow managed to go almost 33 years
Bee:with no spoilers for these movies.
Bee:I didn't do any Universal rides, I'd never read any articles,
Bee:I knew absolutely nothing.
Bee:I didn't even know this was a Lucasfilm, like I knew nothing
Bee:about this movie going in.
Bee:But just like Nathan was saying from popular culture, like things have
Bee:seeped through as references, be they overt or just more background.
Bee:And so there were a few things like preconceived notions that I had.
Bee:I was like, I'm pretty sure this is going to show up at some point.
Bee:And I do think they're probably really funny now in hindsight.
Bee:So there were two things I knew to be gospel fun, little hat.
Bee:And he has a whip definitely, for sure.
Bee:I was under the impression that there might be some like vine writing like
Bee:Tarzan style, and we did, we got
Nathan:a little,
Bee:yeah, we got a little wait a couple more movies.
Bee:I had no idea that this movie was.
Bee:fighting Nazis.
Bee:I thought this took place in the late 1800s.
Bee:I had no clue that this would be like a World War II movie.
Bee:I thought there would be like a younger Indian, like a small
Bee:child that was his protege.
Bee:Like my image was he was like a cantankerous old man and there was a
Bee:kid that just warmed the cockles of his heart and he took him on the adventure.
Bee:That didn't happen.
Bee:Maybe it will.
Bee:I was pretty sure there'd be gold, but I thought the gold, because
Bee:it's arc Ark of the Covenant.
Bee:I didn't know what that was, so I thought like a ship, but that's just the Goonies,
Bee:so it's not a pirate ship at all.
Bee:I figured he would have a catchphrase.
Bee:He doesn't.
Bee:I was surprised that there was a romance.
Bee:And I thought there would just be one villain across all the movies, like Harry
Bee:Potter, but I don't, now I don't think the Nazis are going to show up all the time.
Bee:So I don't think, so that's what I thought going into it.
Bee:Obviously not all that held up.
Bee:I don't know how interesting that'll be for people,
Sam:but fascinating.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:It really is.
Sam:I'm not joking.
Sam:Yeah.
Bee:That was like my initial impression, but I am so on board with all of you.
Bee:This movie is magic.
Bee:Like from the opening scene, the thing that stood out to me
Bee:immediately were the set pieces.
Bee:I think all of you here know how much I ride for practical
Bee:effects and big sets and things, just feeling real and shooting.
Bee:On these locations shooting on these big sets, the stakes felt so high immediately
Bee:in this movie and I think I sent a message to you guys where I was like, holy shit,
Bee:it's Alfred Molina like I love him so much and I was like he died so quickly and I
Bee:was like no, I really want to see more Molina I was one of the good guys but it
Bee:just it's it immediately sets you into this tone of adventure movie and there's
Bee:I do think when you've seen what you're what the movie influences later in life,
Bee:and then you go back to the catalyst.
Bee:Sometimes the catalyst doesn't always hold up.
Bee:I introduced my nieces and nephews to Men in Black but they've seen a lot of really
Bee:good CGI sci fi now, so Men in Black for them, they were like, Yeah, okay.
Bee:They weren't as wrapped with attention as I was for Men in Black when it came out.
Bee:So I was nervous about that, but that didn't happen at all.
Bee:You can totally see how this is the blueprint in terms
Bee:of pacing and storytelling.
Bee:Everything is so tight and clear and concise.
Bee:The characters are excellent, but it does also just feel, um, you can be transported
Bee:to the sense of childlike wonder.
Bee:I think that's the thing that Spielberg does best.
Bee:Like, when he has that, when he's on, when there's a Spielberg movie that you
Bee:really like, I think it's because you can, I didn't see this until I was 32, but I
Bee:could feel like I was 8 years old watching this and just be totally awed at this the
Bee:spectacle and the grandeur of everything and how big it all felt and how Serious.
Bee:It all felt, even though it was very Spielberg mystical for
Bee:me, my frame of reference for nostalgia is Lord of the Rings.
Bee:That's the movie that I saw with my dad.
Bee:He kept me outta school.
Bee:I've told this story on the Pod before.
Bee:. I was 10.
Bee:When the first one came out and then we saw them every year together.
Bee:And for me, that movie sitting in the movie theater with my dad and
Bee:looking up at the big screen and just being like, I'm transported.
Bee:I'm in this magical realm with magical people and anything's possible.
Bee:And I'm going to learn Elvish and read all these books.
Bee:And I fell in love with it.
Bee:And at 32 years old, I got to feel that way again.
Bee:And I was like, this is so cool.
Bee:It was great.
Nathan:So cool hearing that.
Bee:It was great.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Five stars.
Bee:Perfect movie.
Sam:Oh, I'm so glad to hear that, that it has the, that, that power still,
Sam:cause my view is so skewed by childhood that it's great that it has that effect.
Sam:Yeah.
Eli:I really thought so,
Bee:yeah.
Eli:And it's, to me, it's like, it's funny cause this is one of those movies
Eli:that, You've already watched, you know what's gonna happen, but for some reason,
Eli:every time I watch, it seems like it's the first time I'm watching the movie.
Eli:Cause it's
Bee:Hello.
Bee:It's it doesn't get old.
Bee:I caught myself like reaching for my partner's hand.
Bee:I was like, Oh my God.
Bee:Oh my God.
Bee:What's gonna happen?
Bee:Oh my God.
Bee:Oh my God.
Bee:I just was so surprised, but I didn't know that there was a face melting scene.
Bee:That was a super fun surprise for me.
Bee:I thought the plane fight was awesome.
Bee:Oh my God, yeah.
Bee:Shooting out the cockpit, like the actions, so good in this
Bee:movie, but it does just feel Big.
Bee:This movie feels huge.
Bee:And I think that's so powerful.
Eli:Yeah.
Sam:And Bea, I don't know, I don't know if if you know this Bea, but
Sam:that, that funny scene where the guy does all the moves with the sword
Sam:and Harrison Ford just shot him.
Sam:The reason he did was because he was actually suffering
Sam:from dysentery in real life.
Sam:Cause they had all the Spielberg was the only one in Tunisia that didn't get sick
Sam:because he brought in all his canned food from London and just, so they had this
Sam:whole fight scene staged and Harrison Ford was so ill, he was like, so they came
Sam:up with the idea just to just shoot him on the spot and the poor swordsman had
Sam:been practicing and practicing for weeks.
Sam:And they're like, yeah, we're just going to shoot you and you
Sam:just fall down and that's it.
Eli:That's one of my favorite scenes, by the way.
Eli:That's one of my.
Eli:I'm one of my favorites.
Eli:That's hysterical.
Eli:Yeah.
Nathan:What I love about that is it's perfect for Indy's character.
Nathan:Cause it's not just like cop out, like it's funny.
Nathan:It's a funny moment, but it actually is just shows his character and that he.
Nathan:He cheats.
Nathan:He'll do it.
Nathan:He cheats when he's fighting the big Nazi at the plane.
Nathan:He kicks him in the crotch.
Nathan:He throws dirt in his eyes.
Nathan:He'll do what it takes to get out of a situation.
Nathan:He's
Bee:a scrappy.
Bee:That's actually why I think he's better for the role than Tom Selleck.
Bee:Cause Tom Selleck, I think could have done like the suave cool guy bit, probably
Bee:find the eye but there's moments where Harrison Ford shows like real fear.
Bee:Like when he sees the snakes at the end, when they're down there,
Bee:there's a few key pieces that I'm like, that's just Harrison.
Eli:The way he just lays down there.
Eli:I'm like, they're snakes.
Eli:His face is it's
Nathan:also set up with, in the beginning of the movie where he's running away
Nathan:from that temple and he jumps into the plane and he's, and there's a snake in
Nathan:the cockpit and it's just that line, I hate snakes if, what a great piece
Nathan:of screenwriting to have that moment.
Nathan:And then.
Nathan:Set that up.
Nathan:There is
Bee:nothing in the beginning of the story.
Bee:That's not used later from the drinking with Miriam to how you find out how
Bee:they got the medallion schematics.
Bee:Like it's so smart.
Bee:It
Nathan:is.
Nathan:I'd like to just go through a few beat by beat, not too much.
Nathan:Cause we're already 50 minutes into this episode, but some of the.
Nathan:Some of the big parts of this the beginning of this movie, we have to talk
Nathan:about the introduction of Indy because I think the first 8 10 minutes of this movie
Nathan:are pretty, the whole movie is perfect, but the first 8 10 minutes are maybe the
Nathan:most iconic in movie history, where you know, everything he, Indy's in shadows.
Nathan:His entrance, the way he's revealed is, I want to be revealed that way,
Nathan:just walking out of the shadows.
Nathan:I don't remember characters revealed this way before this.
Bee:The score too I don't know, you guys have seen this movie so many times.
Bee:So you, I don't know if you would still have this thought, but when Indy was
Bee:revealed, I think I sent a message.
Bee:I was like, wait, Is he not a good guy?
Bee:Are we on his side, but he's the bad guy?
Bee:Because the music and the shadows set him up to be an antagonist.
Bee:Shadows
Nathan:precede characters throughout this entire movie.
Nathan:It's something that's used all the time.
Nathan:I love the way that Spielberg is, Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:One day.
Nathan:That's the way people walk into the scenes.
Nathan:They crouch into the frame.
Nathan:I love the way we are introduced to Bellock.
Nathan:I want to talk about belloc with you guys.
Nathan:I think Bella, I want to talk about, yeah.
Nathan:Bellock, I think is one of He's my favorite villain in this whole franchise.
Nathan:When I like how we're dropped into mid adventure and I think it's a great
Nathan:list and Indy runs away and you hear like the echoes of Bella laughing.
Nathan:It's almost like it's within his head signifying this is a rivalry that
Nathan:has been going on for a long time.
Nathan:It's just a brilliant piece of sound editing and storytelling.
Nathan:And I think it's a brilliant piece of sound editing and storytelling.
Nathan:And yeah, so I think this also, this is so
Sam:Paul Freeman's amazing, but this movie has the most famous fly of all time.
Sam:And the fly lands on his mouth.
Sam:He's you're going to give mercenaries a bad name.
Sam:It's fly.
Nathan:And no, they edited out a few frames to make it look like
Nathan:he ate the fly, but he really
Nathan:did not fly.
Nathan:That's like where that fly go.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And he's then he's shortly he's at, he's back at the university.
Nathan:Do you love how his entire class is made up of women?
Nathan:They are clearly not tag
Bee:yourself.
Bee:I'm the girl with the love you on her eyelids.
Sam:That love you moment was the first assistant director's idea on the set.
Sam:And they've made that up as an improvisation and it's it's
Nathan:so cool.
Nathan:Oh my goodness.
Nathan:Clearly not there for the academics.
Nathan:So this is why David Tomlin,
Sam:epic AD, sorry, David Tomlin, masterful like AD, just like genius.
Eli:I would have totally signed up for that class and I would
Eli:have been Yeah, 100 percent Ellie.
Nathan:It's so funny because, it's hysterical because obviously
Nathan:he's teaching a subject which is inherently a, pretty stodgy topic.
Nathan:And frankly, Andy, I get the sense that he's not a great College
Nathan:professor, he's not infusing his lessons with energy and emotion.
Nathan:He doesn't want to be there.
Nathan:He'd rather be out on an adventure.
Nathan:It's real higher support energy.
Nathan:It leads me to, I want to ask you guys a question though.
Nathan:What do you think is Indy's motivation?
Nathan:Because this actually I think about this a lot.
Nathan:Is it, the adventure?
Nathan:Is it the history?
Nathan:Is it the ego?
Nathan:Is it the fame, the money, the fame?
Nathan:Thrill.
Nathan:What is it that really gets him out there to do these adventures?
Nathan:Because I think it's, I think it's there's a lot of different answers to this.
Bee:I think he's like a mountain climber.
Bee:Like I think he wants to be the first to get there.
Bee:Like I think he's edmund Hiller.
Bee:He's I got to be the one to get this.
Sam:I definitely see that.
Sam:I also feel like he's he, even though he's not a great teacher, he does
Sam:have like academia in his heart.
Sam:And so I feel like he really is interested culturally in the actual artifact.
Sam:And so there's like an honorable.
Sam:nobility, but there is also that kind of like playboy grave robber aspect
Sam:but Harrison Ford plays it as if he really cares, like he has to find
Sam:the artifact because if he doesn't find it, it's going to be left to
Sam:dust or mistreated or something.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:I think for me, I think it's also, I truly believe he's one of those men
Eli:who, and I feel it because of the last picture that we saw last year.
Eli:Where, and I know that he's got this romance with this girl, but I think
Eli:that he's not someone you can tame.
Eli:He's not someone that as a girlfriend, don't expect Indiana to be with you
Eli:because you're going to be disappointed.
Eli:He's going to go and do his thing, regardless of whether, what in my book is
Eli:like, is Indiana going to pick the girl?
Eli:Is he going to pick the adventure?
Eli:He's definitely going to pick the adventure of the
Nathan:girl.
Nathan:I can't, we're going to get to B, you're not there yet, but when
Nathan:we get to the third movie, this theme comes back and I can't wait.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:And I think that he's a daredevil.
Eli:And when you're a daredevil is where I had to keep you.
Eli:Poe in one place it does.
Eli:I feel like Indiana Jones, like my dad has always been a daredevil.
Eli:He likes adventures.
Eli:He goes he's always been out there.
Eli:I can't do whatever.
Eli:I'm jumping off big cliffs into the ocean when he was young.
Eli:He's still a daredevil even at he's 83 years old.
Eli:You can't, he goes walking for four miles, three times a week, so it's He is the
Eli:Indiana Jones that I know and I love.
Eli:And so to me, when I think of Indiana Jones, I think of my dad, because
Eli:it's like, when you're a daredevil, it's really hard to keep you down.
Eli:You're going to want to go for an adventure.
Eli:But at the same time, there's two elements.
Eli:I think he's, A daredevil who loves adventure.
Eli:And the other element is that he is an archeologist and right.
Eli:He's an archeologist, right?
Eli:He likes to, and as an
Nathan:archeologist,
Eli:I think he's, he does care.
Eli:He wants to know the history of.
Eli:artifacts or where they come from.
Eli:And that's important to him as well as being a daredevil in the adventure.
Eli:Yeah.
Bee:I think that's why Miriam was the right match for this movie.
Bee:Like her being such a strong character, like her introduction, she's just
Bee:like kicking people's ass at drinking.
Bee:She's stuck in Nepal.
Bee:She's figured it out.
Bee:She's running the bar.
Bee:She's badass.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:She, yeah, I think she was just a great fit.
Bee:I also think it tells us more about Indy at the end, where he suddenly she's
Bee:playing the mommy role for him, right?
Bee:He's just totally coddled up in bed and he's just ugh, he can do what he
Bee:is great at, but all the other stuff, I think he might need a little help.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah.
Sam:I love it when she flips the mirror on his chin.
Sam:Yes!
Sam:Oh That was so funny.
Sam:Let's
Nathan:go back for one moment though.
Nathan:When Indy and Miriam are reunited for the when we see them both together
Nathan:for the first time, what do you think about their relationship?
Nathan:There are, there, there are some, Chatter, about their history.
Nathan:If there was possibly that this was the inappropriate relationship.
Nathan:And I didn't know if you guys have a take on this because it's mentioned, and
Nathan:I've never really thought too much about it until this some research afterwards.
Nathan:Indy has been gone for 10 years now.
Nathan:And the year is like 37, 38 when this movie was made.
Nathan:But it's alluded to that maybe he was probably in his mid 20s.
Nathan:She was,
Nathan:and she was probably like 15.
Nathan:So it's not really, they don't make much of it in this movie, but there's a good
Nathan:possibility that he was sleeping with a former student that was like 15 years old.
Sam:Now, it is possible.
Sam:And it's like when he sees Marion in, in.
Sam:Nepal, and that's when it's implied with that dialogue.
Sam:And he's like, where's Abner?
Sam:Abner's dead.
Sam:There's a history there.
Nathan:She says I was in love.
Nathan:I was a child.
Nathan:And he says you knew what you were doing.
Nathan:You knew what you were doing.
Nathan:He's an ass in the scene.
Nathan:Yes, he is.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:He's just there.
Nathan:He's not sensitive.
Nathan:He just wants to be dying.
Nathan:Here's three thousand dollars.
Nathan:Just give it to me.
Nathan:I'm out of here.
Nathan:I also
Bee:felt that way though, like when Miriam was tied up and he leaves her
Bee:tied up from her when we find out she's not dead, which I was surprised
Bee:by, although usually I would not be pleasantly surprised by that because I
Bee:think it lowers the stakes if you find out someone's not actually killed off, but
Bee:I think It works here, but from Miriam's perspective, both of these asshole men
Bee:are using her to get the idol and or to get the arc and leaving her to suffer.
Bee:She has no real reason to have allegiance to one over the other at all.
Bee:No, they are.
Bee:And
Sam:I don't mean to be an asshole either, but it's it's Marion.
Sam:Sorry.
Sam:Oh, sorry.
Sam:I apologize.
Sam:I'm so sorry.
Sam:I don't want to be that
Bee:guy, but yeah, forgive
Sam:me.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:That's just, I don't think the movie paints him as a
Bee:super good guy all the time.
Bee:I don't think he has to be,
Nathan:He's, really, he's a flawed guy, which is really why there
Nathan:is this undercurrent of this.
Nathan:Indy versus Belok comparison, like who is, obviously Indy is our hero.
Nathan:He's the good guy, but Belok, he, there's a great scene in Cairo
Nathan:where we already, we believe that Marion's dead in there at this bar.
Nathan:And I love the way it's shot.
Nathan:Number one, where Belok's in focus and Indy's focus.
Nathan:And he's really saying that, we're really not much, Different.
Nathan:There really is a lot of truth to that.
Nathan:There wouldn't be that much that would tip the scales for Indy to be doing
Nathan:the same thing that Balak is doing.
Nathan:I think it's very true.
Nathan:And Indy doesn't like it.
Nathan:And you can see him grimacing and really angry because he
Nathan:knows He's probably right.
Nathan:And I really love the Bella character because of this and not just, obviously
Nathan:I'm not spoiling much here, but the one thing that kind of is, bums me out
Nathan:about this movie with Bella, cause I think Bella is an incredible character.
Nathan:This would be, I'm sad that Bella dies in the end, even though he
Nathan:probably gets his come up and yeah.
Nathan:If Bella somehow survived this movie, what.
Nathan:An amazing opportunity would have been for Belloc to be a reoccurring
Nathan:character in this franchise where he probably could have come
Nathan:around and had a redemption moment
Nathan:later
Nathan:on, maybe in the second or third movie or later on, and could
Nathan:have been somebody could have become an ally because it wouldn't take
Nathan:much for Belloc to become a good guy.
Nathan:And I would have loved to have seen it would have been really interesting
Nathan:to see where Belloc's character could have gone if he survived because I
Nathan:don't know if he really deserved to die because it's the moments like where
Nathan:Bell, where you see Marion thrown into the well of souls in a little bit.
Nathan:I mean it really pains Belloc He did not want that to happen.
Nathan:He did not want Marion to die, even though he probably had some Pure thoughts about
Nathan:what he would've probably done with her.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:But at the same time he couldn't rescue her 'cause he'd be dead too, but I think
Nathan:he's a great character that I wish could have, we could have seen in more movies.
Nathan:Anyways,
Sam:He is a good, and he really is a good character.
Sam:And that, that's a really good point.
Sam:I the difficult and he's, he is ind these like equal in terms of skill and talent.
Sam:It's just, it's because, because he
Nathan:is working for the wrong people, he's working and of
Sam:all the wrong people to work for, he's working for the wrong people.
Sam:But
Nathan:I feel, but this is one of those cases where it's I hate him because
Nathan:obviously he's working for the Nazis, but it's Here's a guy that just, he got
Nathan:in over his head, and maybe in 1934, 1935, he didn't really know how bad the
Nathan:Nazis were, and maybe a lot of people didn't back then, he was naive, he was
Nathan:an ambitious person, and just oh, they were going to pay me a lot of money to
Nathan:do this is not an uncommon story with a lot of people, and, He turned the other
Nathan:cheek when Oh, I don't really believe that they're doing these harmful things.
Nathan:I'm not giving him a pass, but I, there was, this was not an uncommon
Nathan:thing for people to do in that time.
Nathan:And they didn't really maybe believe what the horrible things Nazis were doing then.
Nathan:And they were stupid to not believe it, but this was.
Nathan:Not uncommon.
Sam:You mentioned, because of the fact that he did die,
Sam:I'd actually forgotten this.
Sam:But apparently when he, everyone else's faces melts, but he's holding on to
Sam:his head and his head just explodes.
Sam:They actually went and superimposed fire over the his head exploding because the
Sam:movie they said would have gotten an R rating had they not have like they so
Sam:the reason he's like he's behind a wall of fire as they were trying to tone
Sam:down the violence of that a little bit.
Bee:It's pretty shocking.
Bee:I love the explosion.
Sam:I liked it when the guy goes, Oh, and his face just like the
Sam:assistant Nazi whose face like, yeah, just turns into a skull.
Sam:Yeah.
Eli:We also know what happened to that big dude in the airplane, right?
Eli:Cause they don't show it, but yeah,
Bee:he got, yeah.
Bee:I liked how they did that too, with just the blood splatter though.
Bee:You're like, Ooh, yeah, I heard that.
Bee:I do that this was made in a simpler time where we just like ubiquitously,
Bee:we're like, yeah, Nazis were bad.
Bee:Yep.
Nathan:Couple other scenes I want to mention here.
Nathan:We talked about the map room, great moment.
Nathan:How did Indy get out of the map room?
Nathan:Someone tell me.
Sam:Oh, okay.
Sam:Hold on.
Sam:So here's the thing.
Sam:John R.
Sam:Davis is , and then he drops the thing.
Sam:He drops the rope.
Sam:And there's the Nazi flag.
Sam:And then Harrison is Sola.
Sam:And wait a minute.
Sam:Wait.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:'cause what, how is he gets so gets approached by two Nazi.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:But I think he Nazis
Bee:escapes and goes into a med tent or something and gets
Bee:bedsheets and ties 'em all together.
Bee:My impression was that he like.
Bee:Escape that and got all these sheets and tied them all together for him.
Nathan:It's, that's right.
Nathan:The one is one of the few moments in this movie where I was really confused with
Nathan:the storytelling is I saw the sheets come down with a Nazi flag at that moment.
Nathan:I thought it was Nazis that were helped that were getting him out or something.
Nathan:I don't know.
Nathan:It was a Little, it was a little confused,
Bee:but imagine my love of seeing Sala with my whole Lord
Bee:of the Rings crossover happening.
Bee:It was incredible.
Bee:I
Nathan:love John Rhys Davis.
Nathan:He's so good.
Nathan:I want, I wanted to, download, get his album of him just bellowing out,
Nathan:tunes, he's got such a great voice.
Nathan:He tells there's someone on
Sam:YouTube where John Rhys Davis and it's so embarrassing, but like when
Sam:everyone was sick in Tunisia in the most diplomatic way, he was like, and then.
Sam:I did a take for Steven and I don't know the word he uses, but he basically
Sam:was so ill that during the take, he like, he essentially went to the
Sam:bathroom in his pants, but the way John Rives Rives Davis described it, I was
Sam:just like, Oh man, I feel it for you.
Sam:That Tunisia shoot.
Sam:I think for all of them.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Sounds brutal.
Sam:Rough.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Oh
Nathan:yeah.
Nathan:I, I have the, I have the, a Blu ray and there's a lot of really great
Nathan:behind the scenes stuff on that.
Nathan:135 degrees in the sun, 120 in the shade watching these people make a movie.
Nathan:All the guys are just like, they're just stripped down to like the short shorts.
Nathan:And there's a movie like, it's quite a sight.
Nathan:The
Bee:eight, if you go back and watch.
Bee:A good amount of 80s action, though.
Bee:It does just seem like a sweaty time, there was just a lot of sweaty era.
Sam:This is the cheesiest thing to think of.
Sam:And it's so random and I'll just drop it in.
Sam:But so Harrison Ford is in empire strikes back, obviously with
Sam:Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill, and they're not all on the same stardom
Sam:level, but like in between this.
Sam:And Return of the Jedi, Harrison goes and he shoots Raiders and
Sam:then he comes back for Return of the Jedi in the summer of 82.
Sam:And I just wonder what the dynamic of those three actors was like, where
Sam:they're like, how was your summer?
Sam:Because he, he literally like between Empire and Return of
Sam:the Jedi, like Harrison Ford.
Sam:Shot up to bigger,
Nathan:Which wasn't a big hit, but
Sam:yeah, exactly.
Sam:Yeah,
Nathan:that's your good friend.
Nathan:B's second a few other things.
Nathan:The souls, we got to just talk about the well of souls for a moment here.
Nathan:Love the way this begins when it's cracked open.
Nathan:It like roars to life.
Nathan:They like broke a seal.
Nathan:But it's problematic because it's not really a sealed off
Nathan:space, as we learn off later on.
Sam:Exactly.
Sam:They show that it's on like a hill, so they could have just gone to the
Sam:side and found one of those bricks.
Sam:A little deus ex
Bee:machina kind of thing.
Bee:That's all
Nathan:right.
Nathan:Conveniently 7, 000 snakes are in there.
Nathan:What are they eating?
Nathan:What are they living off of?
Nathan:So don't worry about that, 7, 000 snakes just down there.
Sam:There were not enough snakes at first and Spielberg demanded that
Sam:they get like 2000 more and they had a, like a doctor on the set.
Sam:And I just love the scene where they're all digging at night or
Sam:where it's that sunset so where they're like, Oh, I love the, Hey,
Nathan:yeah, it's Leonie and it's
Sam:just, it feels there's something about the desert sequence.
Sam:The desert midsection of that movie where it goes beyond just
Sam:like fun, serialized adventure.
Sam:It gets into epic territory, like David Lean.
Sam:There's, it's just, there's a grandiosity to Raiders.
Nathan:Yeah, I met David Lean.
Nathan:Yeah.
Bee:I think it has the opportunity to really see because it's been
Bee:so episodic up until then and it doesn't which is impressive because
Bee:it really does the story really does just plant itself really suddenly.
Bee:For me, some of the best visuals was the thunderstorm building behind them.
Bee:I love that.
Bee:Really could and it looks surreal.
Bee:I maybe for the time it was a more realistic effect, but Now looking at
Bee:it, it looks surreal and incredible.
Sam:No and Ella, you talk about like people's faces and reaction when John
Sam:Rhys Davis is looking into the pit and the lightning like lights up that big,
Sam:like dragon face and John Rhys Davis is I
Eli:really love the comedy in this movie.
Eli:It's just at some point, we know that having comedic timing is hard.
Eli:For actors, but these actors just, they were great.
Eli:They were just funny.
Eli:Just the faces.
Eli:And I got, it's like overdramatic and got away with it,
Sam:For some reason.
Sam:And this is like the dark side of my humor, but I love that moment when they
Sam:open the arc and, Paul Freeman reaches in and it's just sand and the Nazi bad
Sam:guy with the glasses to the left of him is just he's we wasted all this time.
Sam:We opened this and there's nothing in there.
Sam:That really amuses me for some reason.
Nathan:Comedy is.
Nathan:It's so important in this movie because otherwise it would, it
Nathan:could be a very dull adventure.
Nathan:There's so many comedic moments like chasing the basket, the
Nathan:samurai, all these moments.
Nathan:And Ellie, you mentioned the expression on the faces.
Nathan:What I love is that, these expressions it's never like over the top.
Nathan:It's never like hammy or slapstick.
Nathan:It's something true about the reactions to these things.
Nathan:And that's what I think is really special about this movie.
Eli:And I think that, you can't teach that these actors
Eli:have to do it on their own.
Eli:They had to be in that moment.
Eli:And I don't think Steven was like, Oh, you gotta make your face this way.
Eli:No.
Eli:I see that it comes or it doesn't, so I feel like these actors.
Eli:extras that were in this film that did that, and it's just Molina.
Eli:It's Molina right at the very beginning.
Eli:And I have to
Eli:give a
Sam:quick shout out to two random deaths.
Sam:One is the guy that falls off the scaffolding when the, during the truck
Sam:chase, and he looks through the window and he's And then when the Nazi bad
Sam:guy falls off the truck off the front of it and then gets run over by it.
Sam:And you just see him go
Eli:up in the air and he's that is so funny.
Nathan:I think it was just a stunt man.
Nathan:That guy, if I was reading, I think it
Sam:was Glenn Randall, I think it was no, Glenn Randall, the stunt guy,
Sam:not an actor, but he was the stunt.
Sam:He was the stunt guy dressed.
Sam:He was the guy driving the truck.
Sam:He was the guy that
Nathan:was, yeah,
Eli:he was great.
Eli:He gets a moment for a moment.
Eli:He gets that, that camera moment where he actually defeats the hero of the film.
Eli:And he's he's driving a truck and you're like, No, wait, what?
Sam:Harrison Ford is so expressive because he's he's driving the truck
Sam:and he's like, when he knocks people off the truck, he's like laughing.
Sam:Or when he looks in the rear view mirror and all the Nazis
Sam:are coming up and he's he's not
Eli:a very good fighter, though.
Eli:I have to say, Indiana is not a good fighter.
Eli:He tries.
Eli:But he does not, when he throws punches, he just aimlessly,
Eli:like he just throws them.
Eli:He doesn't even hit the person.
Eli:He's a great adventurer and finding things, but not a fighter.
Nathan:That would make some great, cause he uses whatever means he has.
Nathan:He's got a gun.
Nathan:He's got a bullwhip.
Nathan:He uses whatever, the elements to his advantage.
Nathan:And he's an
Bee:academic, right?
Bee:Like he's a nerd.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:He's a nerd.
Bee:He's a nerd.
Bee:He's a nerd.
Bee:He's a nerd.
Bee:He's not a soldier.
Bee:He's a nerd.
Bee:And he's yeah.
Bee:But
Eli:maybe he's being the nerd that he is what gets him
Eli:out of the situations, right?
Eli:Not his muscles.
Eli:Not the fact that he knows how to fight.
Eli:It's his brain.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Have you ever seen the animated movie Atlantis?
Bee:The Lost Empire?
Bee:Yes, but it's been a while.
Bee:Okay, I would encourage folks to go back and watch it.
Bee:Milo Thatcher played by Michael, or voiced by Michael J.
Bee:Fox.
Bee:Is totally, this is totally Indiana Jones.
Bee:If you were a little more academic going back and watching that, I was
Bee:like, Oh, this is, I get it now.
Bee:I see.
Bee:Okay, cool.
Nathan:Interesting.
Nathan:Few other, I don't have that much more here.
Nathan:Cause we actually talked a lot about the ending already, but I, this is one really.
Nathan:Funny, small thing.
Nathan:I never noticed until this viewing when they're leaving,
Nathan:when they're leaving Cairo and the ark's been put onto the boat.
Nathan:There's a really cute, but funny moment where Marion is saying goodbye to Sala.
Nathan:And I really love this.
Nathan:And she says this is one for your wife.
Nathan:I forget her name.
Nathan:She says her name.
Nathan:I think it's his wife.
Nathan:I'm assuming one, this is for your children.
Nathan:And this one is for him.
Nathan:And he kisses him on his lips whistles.
Nathan:And all I could think of was Wayne's will like swing.
Nathan:At that very moment.
Sam:I
Nathan:never noticed that bullhorn going off at that exact
Nathan:moment where she kisses him.
Nathan:But I
Sam:do love that moment, the captain on that boat where they're
Sam:all looking for Indiana Jones.
Sam:They're not sure if he's got on the submarine and he's I see him there.
Sam:And then the John Williams score and he's done today.
Sam:And he like, Indiana Jones,
Sam:you're just like, yeah,
Nathan:I never noted, knew that there was deleted footage until this week.
Nathan:Cause there was always a pothole in this movie.
Nathan:Like how did Indy Get to the island when he swims to the submarine because the
Nathan:submarine is submerging and you don't just hijack a submarine after it's submerging.
Nathan:There actually is shot footage of him hanging on to the periscope.
Nathan:Going, through the ocean the whole time.
Nathan:That's how he got to the island.
Nathan:This footage exists.
Nathan:The
Sam:footage exists and I think Spielberg cut it out.
Sam:Cause he said, he thought it looked really cheesy.
Sam:And there was a line where Spielberg said, we know that it wasn't explained
Sam:how he survived being on the subway.
Sam:And he was like, he, Spielberg literally said something like,
Sam:but Indiana Jones is so clever.
Sam:We just left it up to the audience to make that footage.
Sam:And the footage looks.
Sam:It looks like he's in five feet of water holding on to a pole.
Sam:It looks like something out of a National Lampoon movie.
Sam:Like it looks But it almost,
Eli:we don't have to know because we know that Indiana Jones is going to figure
Eli:out a way to get out of any situation.
Eli:So we didn't have to know how he made it through the submarine.
Eli:He, Spielberg has trained us to see Indiana Jones in a way that
Eli:he doesn't have to show us all the footage because guess what?
Eli:It's Indiana Jones.
Eli:He's figure it out.
Eli:So, trying to become part of the Nazis when he's trying to
Eli:Fit that shirt into, the guard's shirt and he doesn't fit into it.
Eli:It's like the funniest thing.
Eli:It's I don't fit into it, but
Nathan:yeah.
Nathan:And what's actually even funnier is that his, he's trying to like,
Nathan:he's like brushing his hair.
Nathan:He's like trying to communicate with the Nazi guy and he's just I give up.
Nathan:And I just punched him.
Nathan:That's actually like a.
Nathan:It was like a Han Solo move.
Nathan:I feel like it reminds me of the original, the first Star Wars movie
Nathan:where he's in the containment bay or the prison bay where he's like
Nathan:talking to somebody on the intercom,
Nathan:that scene, which is, ah, Screw I'm just going to punch you, so yeah, there's a
Nathan:little bit of a Han Solo moment in there.
Nathan:I don't have really anything else because we talked about a lot at the end of this.
Nathan:Anything you want to mention about the finale here, or should we take a break?
Nathan:Are we good?
Sam:It was great.
Sam:I love the set.
Sam:I love the set of the finale.
Sam:I love that island.
Sam:And that moment after the arc.
Sam:Like top piece lands and it's just the two of them there and quiet looking at it.
Sam:I've that, that got into my dreams and stuff like that.
Sam:I mean that there's something really mystical is like a cheesy word, but
Sam:I get a feeling when they're the only two people left alive and everyone's
Sam:gone, it's just the two of them there.
Sam:It's Oh, they were spared by the universe,
Bee:yeah.
Bee:And that final scene of, I think the credits start rolling
Bee:when it's the warehouse.
Bee:And it's being packed away.
Bee:I literally I felt like I had such conflicted emotions.
Bee:My heart sank.
Bee:I was like, this is.
Bee:It's such a kind of dour, stark ending to this movie.
Nathan:Reminded me of an homage to like Citizen Kane a little bit.
Nathan:I felt yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And ultimately the arc has gone from one tomb to another.
Nathan:To another.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:And I also, there's a part when they're like tied up to the whole
Eli:thing is happening at the very end.
Eli:And when he tells her like, close your eyes.
Eli:Close your eyes.
Eli:It reminds me of part of the story in the Bible where I forget the name of whatever
Eli:it is, but if you turn back, you turn, if you look back, you turn into stone
Eli:that story in the Bible, but it tells you like, don't look back if you do.
Eli:I think it.
Eli:With the pillar assault.
Eli:Is that something like that?
Eli:If you look back, you, so don't look back or close your eyes
Eli:and then you won't turn into
Nathan:stone.
Nathan:What movie did we just watch where I feel like there was a story about, if you look
Nathan:back, that person disappears or, oh, yeah,
Sam:wait there's the Greek mythology of he's, someone's
Sam:leaving the underworld and their
Nathan:portrait of the lady of fire.
Bee:Oh yes.
Bee:Yes.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:And it had that myth in it.
Bee:Yep.
Bee:Huh.
Bee:Oh, okay.
Bee:Epic.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:What is that myth?
Bee:Why can't I think of the myth right now?
Bee:Okay.
Bee:No.
Bee:We can't do
Nathan:that.
Nathan:By the way, but still that, that, that storage warehouse,
Nathan:what a great map painting.
Sam:Oh, it looks so good.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:And by the way, what else do you think is in that warehouse?
Nathan:Oh, they've got tons of stuff in there.
Nathan:All kinds of army
Bee:stuff.
Bee:It's just like They got aliens in there too, I bet.
Bee:There's
Nathan:an alien body in there.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:For sure.
Bee:All that work in academia, no one's gonna know a lot.
Bee:Five, nine, whatever it is,
Sam:I love those bureaucrats who are when like at the beginning and
Sam:like Harrison is like, didn't you guys ever gone to Sunday school?
Sam:They're like the arc of the covenant, but but even that scene, Spielberg's
Sam:framing is so good with just when there's just people saying expository
Sam:dialogue in a room, the camera angles, the way it's shot still looks great.
Sam:I'm just like riveted.
Sam:It's amazing.
Sam:It's great.
Sam:I
Eli:thought at one point where he was like they were trying
Eli:to find going to that, to where the covenant is to the Ark is.
Eli:And he stressed like one of the Middle Eastern people that he would
Eli:have standing on that hill and be like Moses and all the people, all
Eli:the guys just would have been like.
Eli:Let's not touch this.
Eli:Let's leave it alone.
Nathan:Pen to mammoth's moment.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Let's take a break and come back with our thoughts on this.
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Nathan:Let's get to the big decision here.
Nathan:Whether.
Nathan:Gee, I don't know.
Nathan:It's a nail biter.
Nathan:I know five.
Nathan:Stars, this might be the first time we've ever done anything like this.
Sam:I, I, it's never happened before.
Sam:It's amazing.
Nathan:Ellie.
Nathan:This is like the great
Sam:conjunction and the dark crystal.
Nathan:Ellie, what say you?
Nathan:Say yay.
Nathan:Yes, we should keep this one.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:And the
Nathan:vault.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:I will keep this one too.
Nathan:I say yes, this movie is quite, yeah, it's worth keeping.
Sam:I'm going to quote John Rhys Davis, and I'm going to go into geek mode.
Sam:I'm going to be John Rhys Davis from the end of the Fellowship of the Ring.
Sam:And Gimli what say you?
Sam:Should we go hunt some orc, and should we put Raiders of the Lost Ark in the vault?
Sam:Yes!
Sam:Bye!
Sam:Bye!
Bee:This is the easiest yes for me.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Absolutely.
Bee:It is saved.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:It is you guys want to play a quick game?
Nathan:Sure.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Shall we play a
Trailer:game?
Trailer:Oh.
Trailer:I think I missed them.
Trailer:Yeah.
Trailer:Weird, isn't it?
Trailer:Love to.
Trailer:How about Global Thermonuclear What?
Trailer:Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?
Trailer:Hi Wally!
Eli:It's Wally, right?
Eli:Professor Falcon!
Eli:It's Professor Falcon!
Eli:Wait, where is this from?
Eli:Is this from Wally?
Sam:This is from War Games, 1983.
Sam:War Games!
Sam:War
Eli:Games yes, War
Sam:Games.
Sam:John Badham film.
Nathan:Yeah, I decided to use that for a bumper for this.
Nathan:Maybe this will be a recurring theme.
Nathan:But instead of doing our typical movie pairings this week.
Nathan:I have a little game here for you guys.
Nathan:And you guys are familiar with the IMDB 250?
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:So this might be a little test for you guys.
Nathan:So I was recently looking at the IMDB 250.
Nathan:Of course Raiders of the Lost Ark is in the IMDB 250.
Nathan:Nobody look at it.
Nathan:No, no cheating.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:How did you know?
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:And I, we're going to have a little game.
Nathan:The three of you are going to play this.
Nathan:I'm not, I'm going to be the dungeon master here and I'm going to see
Nathan:how good you guys are guessing what movies are in the IMDb 250.
Nathan:Oh, cool.
Nathan:What's in it and what is not in it.
Nathan:I'm going to lose
Eli:this game.
Eli:I already know.
Nathan:It's okay.
Nathan:It's okay.
Nathan:So I have I think about 16 movies that are in it and 60 movies that are not in it.
Nathan:Interesting.
Nathan:I'm so glad
Sam:that we don't have to actually know the number and be
Sam:like, Oh, that's in 42nd place.
Sam:I know.
Sam:I was going to try and
Nathan:guess what Raiders was at.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:I think it was, we'll worry about that later, but I
Nathan:like this game.
Nathan:And then And then after this, we'll tally it up and
Nathan:then I'll tell you who wins.
Nathan:So there we go.
Nathan:And then people at home can play along too.
Nathan:And then keep track, keep your score.
Nathan:So I'm going to do these pretty quick rabbit succession and we'll see how we do.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:So you ready?
Nathan:Ready.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Barry Lyndon is Barry Lyndon in the top two 50.
Nathan:Yes.
Bee:Yes.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Elliot, you say this?
Bee:No, I dunno.
Bee:I dunno.
Bee:. Alright.
Bee:It's Kubrick,
Nathan:it's boring.
Nathan:Is Hacksaw Ridge in the top two 50?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Sam?
Bee:No.
Bee:No.
Bee:Yes.
Nathan:Is Dr.
Nathan:Zhivago in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Has to
Nathan:be.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is Mulholland Drive in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Sam says no.
Nathan:Really?
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I would think so.
Nathan:Ellie says yes.
Bee:Can I change my answer on Barry Lyndon?
Bee:Is it too late?
Nathan:I'll stick with it.
Nathan:It's fine.
Nathan:On Mulholland Drive.
Bee:I know
Nathan:I said it.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:So you're saying Barry Lyndon is is a no be
Bee:is a no.
Nathan:Titanic is Titanic in the top two 50.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Is children of men in the top two 50.
Eli:Fuck.
Eli:I'm going to say,
Eli:I'm going no on that one.
Eli:I'm going to say yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is Monsters, Inc.
Nathan:in the top 250?
Bee:Yes.
Eli:No.
Sam:No.
Sam:This is really hard, actually.
Sam:It's hard, but I
Eli:don't think so.
Eli:I don't even know.
Sam:I don't know.
Sam:Fishy shot.
Sam:Three, two, one.
Sam:Top 250 films.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:Yes.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Is Gone Girl in the top 250?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:No.
Sam:No.
Nathan:Is Green Book in the top 250?
Nathan:Probably.
Nathan:No.
Bee:No.
Bee:I'll just go with the tide there.
Bee:Is Scent
Nathan:of a Woman in the top 250?
Nathan:Scent of a Woman?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Eli:Yee.
Eli:I wouldn't put it on the top 250.
Eli:You don't have to.
Eli:No.
Eli:That's why
Sam:it's hard, because I'm not thinking of my opinions, I'm
Sam:trying to think of the list,
Bee:I
Nathan:think
Bee:it might, I'm going to go yes.
Bee:I'm going to go yes.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Is In the Mood for Love, the one car one gun, in the top 250?
Bee:It fucking should be, but no, I don't think it is.
Sam:No.
Sam:I'll say no, because I don't, I'm not too familiar with it.
Nathan:I think you would love it.
Nathan:Is Adaptation in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Sam:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is Joker in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I know, I'm pumped about that too.
Nathan:Is Top Gun Maverick in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Bee:And they broke a bunch of box office records.
Nathan:Yes.
Sam:But you don't mean top two.
Sam:It's not box.
Sam:It's not about, it's not numbers.
Sam:It's the box office.
Sam:This is box.
Nathan:This is like the IMDb 250.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Popularity.
Nathan:Yeah.
Sam:All right.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Then yeah.
Nathan:Is the Terminator from 1984 in the top 250.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Everyone saying yes?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Jimbo!
Nathan:Sorry.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Stand by me in the top 250.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is the Hurt Locker in the top 250?
Bee:No,
Bee:I'm going to flash in the
Bee:pan.
Bee:Yes.
Bee:We'll see.
Bee:I would
Eli:say yes to
Sam:one day.
Sam:I will see you on the shores of Linden Buttersworth.
Nathan:Is Donnie Brasco in the top 250?
Bee:Yes.
Sam:No.
Bee:The fuck is a Donnie Brasco?
Bee:Come on.
Sam:Why not?
Sam:It has to be.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:But I would be, I don't think it's there.
Sam:But, cause it's just so weird.
Sam:Johnny Depp.
Sam:It's
Sam:a weird film.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:That's the movie where he's I've got dick cancer.
Bee:Oh God.
Bee:I'm just going to say no.
Bee:I've never heard of this movie.
Bee:All I know is it's got dick cancer and death.
Bee:I'm saying yes.
Bee:Wise guy
Sam:don't, wise guy don't keep money in a wallet.
Sam:He keep it in a roll.
Sam:Oh God.
Nathan:It's a rare film.
Sam:It is good though.
Nathan:Is JFK in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is Throne of Blood, the Kira Kurosawa movie, in the top 250?
Eli:I
Bee:don't know that film, so I would say no.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:It's a great movie.
Bee:I think you'd like it, Ellie.
Bee:Really?
Bee:Yeah, I think you would.
Bee:IMDB top two 50.
Bee:Yes.
Bee:I bet you it's on some top list, but I don't think IMDB I'm gonna say no.
Sam:I'm gonna say no as well.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Ellie, you say no or yes?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Is Planet of the Apes the original 1960s film in the top two 50?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:. Is Batman begins in the top two 50?
Nathan:I go, yes.
Nathan:I'm going to say no.
Bee:I'm going to say no too.
Nathan:I don't think so.
Nathan:Is Groundhog Day in the top 250?
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Is Hachi a dog tale in the top 250?
Nathan:Oh my goodness.
Nathan:I wouldn't be surprised.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:It has to be.
Sam:I would say no.
Nathan:I bet you it is.
Nathan:I say yes.
Nathan:I say yes too.
Nathan:Is Ford v Ferrari in the top 250?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:It should be.
Bee:That's my number one dad movie.
Bee:No.
Bee:No.
Bee:I love that movie, but no, I don't think it is.
Sam:Ford versus Ferrari.
Nathan:Ellie, what did you say?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:I'll say, I'm gonna say yes.
Nathan:It's a
Nathan:good movie.
Nathan:It was
Nathan:a
Nathan:good movie.
Nathan:It was all right, we've got a couple left here.
Nathan:Days of Heaven.
Nathan:Terrence Malick.
Nathan:Terrence Malick.
Nathan:Days of Heaven.
Eli:Yeah, I
Bee:can see
Eli:that.
Eli:That was a big one.
Eli:Yes.
Eli:I don't think I know that film.
Eli:So
Sam:no.
Sam:I'll say yes to that one.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:A few more here.
Nathan:Do the right thing.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Toy Story.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:It's a really fun game.
Nathan:And let's see here.
Nathan:Magnolia.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Interesting.
Nathan:I say yes.
Nathan:I say yes.
Nathan:I
Bee:said yes.
Bee:Oh, everyone says yes.
Bee:I said no.
Bee:I might be underestimating its cultural significance.
Bee:I like PTA.
Sam:I am a definite yes on Magnolia.
Nathan:Me too.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Yeah, I think so.
Nathan:Tom Cruise.
Nathan:Frankenstein.
Nathan:The original 1931 Frankenstein.
Bee:No.
Bee:Should it be?
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I say yes.
Bee:I don't think so.
Eli:The original Frankenstein?
Bee:Scared the shit out of me.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I'm with you, girl.
Bee:Bride of Frankenstein was so good too.
Bee:Oh my god, if you haven't seen it.
Bee:Oh.
Bee:Sam?
Bee:Which one?
Bee:Are you guys
Sam:both no on Frankenstein?
Bee:I said yes.
Bee:I'm a no.
Bee:Alicia?
Sam:I don't know if I've seen it, to be honest.
Bee:I honestly think Bride of Frankenstein might even be better.
Bee:It doesn't matter if you've seen it or not.
Bee:I know, I'm just trying to.
Sam:I know.
Sam:And that's, I have no I'm gonna say yes.
Sam:Okay.
Sam:Logan.
Nathan:Ooh.
Nathan:Ugh.
Nathan:Oh man.
Nathan:Yeah.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:Yeah.
Eli:Yes.
Eli:Yeah.
Nathan:Sure.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I, yeah.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Almost done here for a few dollars more.
Nathan:Oh yeah.
Nathan:Oh yeah.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:I guess I'll say
Sam:yes.
Nathan:Oh my gosh.
Nathan:Sam
Sam:Clue list on that one there.
Nathan:Alright.
Nathan:Alright.
Nathan:There's two left here.
Nathan:Rush.
Nathan:The Ron Howard film from 2013.
Nathan:Rush
Nathan:. Sam: Fuck no.
Nathan:No
Nathan:. Sam: Although I do like it a lot, but no, it's no
Nathan:Ferrari.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And I
Sam:enjoy that movie, but yeah,
Nathan:that's one is E.
Nathan:T.
Nathan:the extraterrestrial.
Nathan:Oh, yeah.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:What about the notebook?
Nathan:I just picked like random, like 16 movies for each category.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Basic here's the movies that you guys got, and I may have to edit this a little bit
Nathan:here, but one, there's actually 17 movies.
Nathan:that were in it and 16 that weren't.
Nathan:So I was slightly off.
Nathan:That's okay.
Nathan:So out of those 17 movies that are in the top two 50, Sam, you got 12 right?
Nathan:B, you got one, two, three, four, five, six.
Nathan:So you got 11, right?
Nathan:Ellie, you got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, seven.
Nathan:So you got 10, right?
Bee:Oh, that's funny.
Bee:We all were in one office.
Nathan:I want to know what I got.
Nathan:I'll get to that in a moment.
Nathan:But of the 16 that are not in it, you only got four right, Sam,
Nathan:because he kept saying yes to them.
Nathan:B, you got six right in there.
Nathan:And that means that you're ahead of Sam.
Nathan:And then Ellie, one, two, three, four, four right.
Nathan:So therefore, Ellie, your score is 14.
Nathan:B, your score is 17 and Sam, your score is 16 B, you are our winner . Yeah.
Nathan:And I, but I will, it was a close game.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:, I'll, I, but I think the fun thing is here to mention which movies are in
Nathan:the top two 15 and which ones werent.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:The movies that were in the top two 50 are Stand by me at two now
Nathan:by, I will say one thing here.
Nathan:This list is as of about 10 days ago.
Nathan:It's possible the ones that are like really teetering on the edge could add.
Nathan:There's nothing here that is below two 33.
Nathan:So I didn't want to pick it up.
Nathan:It was like number two 50.
Nathan:That could be in and out.
Nathan:So I don't think anything entered in that would bump something out.
Nathan:But stand by me.
Nathan:It's at two 32.
Nathan:Ford v.
Nathan:Ferrari is at two.
Nathan:Oh, wait, it's a two 18.
Nathan:Toy Story's at 76.
Nathan:Barry Linden is in at one 86.
Nathan:Hachi.
Nathan:A dog tail is at 2.
Nathan:33.
Nathan:Walk in is at 2.
Nathan:13.
Nathan:Monster's Ink is 1.
Nathan:95.
Nathan:Actually, this is the lowest one, I think.
Nathan:Groundhog Day is at 2.
Nathan:40.
Nathan:For a few dollars more is at 1.
Nathan:30.
Nathan:Gone Girl is in it at 1.
Nathan:90.
Nathan:I said no on that.
Nathan:Here's the big surprise.
Nathan:Rush.
Nathan:Rush is at 228.
Nathan:Ah!
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:How dare they?
Nathan:Hacksaw Ridge is at 189, Top Gun Maverick at 141, Batman Begins is in it at 129.
Nathan:Only Ellie got that
Nathan:yeah.
Nathan:Green Book is in it at 132.
Nathan:And Joker is at 83.
Nathan:Now the movies that are not in the top 250, and this was hard for
Nathan:you guys, because you guys like to put everything in the top 250.
Bee:It's really indicative of how we treat the vault.
Nathan:It's fascinating because, I picked a lot of American movies
Nathan:that we're all familiar with.
Nathan:There was a lot of foreign films and.
Nathan:And in indie titles that were, that you'd recognize here, but I wanted to grab
Nathan:popular ones that would lead you astray.
Nathan:Mulholland drive, not in the top two 50, Magnolia, not in the top two 50, scent
Nathan:of a woman, not in the top two 50, planet of the apes, not in the top two 50.
Nathan:That's really surprising.
Nathan:That is.
Nathan:In the mood for love.
Nathan:Not in the top 250.
Nathan:The Hurt Locker.
Nathan:And I won't keep saying the same thing over and over.
Nathan:Hurt Locker adaptation.
Nathan:Ah, Dr.
Nathan:Zhivago.
Nathan:Everyone thought that was in there.
Nathan:Throne of Blood is not.
Nathan:Although I think there's only one or two other Curacao movies,
Nathan:but they were pretty obvious.
Nathan:If I went with them.
Nathan:Frankenstein Days of Heaven.
Nathan:Donnie Brasco, and you, all of these here you said they were, and
Nathan:except for the last one here JFK.
Nathan:I
Sam:said no to Donnie Brasco.
Nathan:Yeah, he said no.
Nathan:So JFK, do the right thing.
Nathan:Titanic and E.
Nathan:T., none of these are in the top 250.
Nathan:Whoa, he didn't
Nathan:make it?
Nathan:Oh, darn.
Nathan:Now you look at Titanic's not in the top two 50.
Nathan:No, but if you look at like the IMD rating, they're like
Nathan:anything that's like above 8.
Nathan:1 and higher is on there.
Nathan:And these are like 8.
Nathan:0 movies or 8.
Nathan:1.
Nathan:They're like teetering right there.
Nathan:Next week, anywhere between up to 2 50, 2 40 or so.
Nathan:Like they could be in there today maybe at like just eking.
Nathan:And as of 10 days ago, they weren't, and children of men for me is not yeah.
Nathan:Wow.
Sam:ET of ET should be, I mean in the top two 50, I know it's a different metric.
Sam:I'm shocked.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Et
Bee:yeah, exactly.
Bee:This is why like a lot of these, so what threw me off was a lot of these
Bee:are on like the sight and sound.
Bee:The BFI top 100 list or something like that.
Nathan:Actually ET has a 7.
Nathan:9 rating on IMDB.
Nathan:Here's the problem.
Nathan:This was just an exercise just to have some fun, but this is
Nathan:why we do this because IMDB.
Nathan:Is not the end all.
Nathan:And it's weighted completely incorrectly.
Nathan:Cause IMDb you get people like, Oh, I'll give it a 10 or they give it a one.
Nathan:There's nobody, very few people give ratings in between.
Nathan:But,
Eli:For actors, the INDB site, a lot of actors think of come visit
Eli:my site, come visit my site, because the higher the, the, I guess they say
Eli:if it's in the green section you're,
Sam:the star meter,
Eli:yeah, the star meter.
Eli:And I'm thinking like, it's like you said, Nathan, it's not the end of all things,
Eli:the INDB, because it's a statistically.
Eli:I feel like it's wrong because it shouldn't be based on numbers.
Eli:It should be based on your performances and the actual movies.
Eli:You got E.
Eli:T.
Eli:for example, like he has a great film but didn't
Nathan:make it
Eli:right.
Eli:So
Nathan:it's on our list.
Nathan:So yeah, IMDb is probably like the most inconsequential of all lists.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:There you
Nathan:go.
Nathan:That's a good.
Nathan:term, but yeah,
Nathan:anyways.
Nathan:So there we go.
Nathan:We'll fun game.
Nathan:Maybe we'll do it.
Nathan:Some, another thing like that.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:We're getting close to the end.
Nathan:Anybody want to mention anything that they watch this week did
Nathan:this week before we wrap it up?
Nathan:I would
Sam:just say that I, I saw and there's three episodes out, but
Sam:I saw the first two episodes of Amazon's Rings of Power season two.
Sam:Me too!
Sam:I think it's improvement over the first season, and I was riveted.
Sam:I really enjoy it.
Sam:I'm they're preaching to the choir with me, because I'm a built in audience.
Sam:But I cannot wait to watch the third episode and continue it.
Sam:I just, I know it's not perfect, but I really enjoy it.
Sam:I'm
Bee:happy to be back in Middle Earth.
Bee:Yes, exactly.
Bee:I'm digging it.
Bee:Exactly.
Eli:Yep.
Eli:I'm not into that serious, but Carlos is so I couldn't tell you, but yeah.
Eli:But I did watch two films.
Eli:One is called Kind, kind of Kindness.
Eli:Oh, did you like it?
Eli:Oh,
Eli:okay.
Eli:I don't know.
Eli:I, it was so cute, but it was.
Eli:Who is the director is the port, the guy from Porthis, it's got a funny moment.
Eli:Weird, really weird.
Eli:I was like, I don't know.
Eli:I, yeah, no I think I, the pace.
Eli:I don't know is the best takeaway.
Nathan:I
Eli:yeah,
Nathan:I
Eli:don't know.
Eli:I don't know.
Eli:It's the best takeaway.
Eli:And then the other one that I just watched actually yesterday is called Perfect Days.
Eli:It's from Jeff Oh, I love that movie.
Eli:Did you see
Bee:it?
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I
Eli:loved it.
Eli:I don't know.
Eli:At the end of the movie, you're like, what was the point of this film?
Eli:But the point of this film is that here's a simple man living a simple
Eli:life, doing his work, doing it well, and just very content with life.
Nathan:I loved it.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:It was I was genetically engineered to love Perfect Days and I'm sad
Nathan:that I didn't like, it was not my favorite movie of the year.
Nathan:So I don't know what's wrong with me.
Bee:There's other great Wim Wendler movies you can go watch.
Eli:But yeah, those are my two films for this weekend.
Eli:That's awesome.
Nathan:Yeah, I don't really have much to add.
Nathan:I watched Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Nathan:Oh yeah, Raiders of the Lost Ark, of course.
Nathan:Yeah, I know.
Nathan:But I was busy with other things.
Nathan:You know what I did watch today?
Nathan:Cause it was, we're recording this on Labor Day.
Nathan:Not, it was not today, yesterday.
Nathan:I'm sorry.
Nathan:I got my days mixed up, but we had a family movie day yesterday
Nathan:cause it was just a lazy Sunday.
Nathan:I watched, rewatched Peach Dragon, but not the original one from 77.
Nathan:We watched the remake.
Nathan:Would you honestly.
Nathan:It is a good film.
Nathan:It really is well done.
Nathan:David Lowery directed that.
Nathan:What I will say is my kids bawling through that movie.
Nathan:It's they're so concerned about.
Nathan:Pete and Elliot and like the dragon was going to die.
Nathan:She does not get emotional during films.
Nathan:And she was through this.
Nathan:And even my older daughter as well, we almost didn't make it.
Nathan:It was like, it's the same thing was like, is the dog going to make it?
Nathan:Like it was like the analogy of the dog, like they can't watch how are
Nathan:the movies can't watch dog movies.
Nathan:And if there's a dog in it, I have to like, go ahead and see if the dog.
Nathan:Read and find out if the dog lives or not.
Nathan:Otherwise, we can't watch it.
Eli:Oh, by the way, I bought two weeks, two weeks ago, I bought
Eli:this new game, board game, and I played it with my family yesterday.
Eli:And it's fun.
Eli:It's called Mind the Gap.
Eli:Mind the Gap.
Eli:Okay.
Eli:Mind the Gap.
Eli:Have you heard of it?
Eli:No.
Eli:It's a trivia, it's a trivia board game.
Eli:It's like trivia pursuit, but it's Mind the Gap.
Eli:It's about four different generations.
Eli:The boomers, the Gen X, the Millennials, and the Gen Zs.
Eli:So what was fun is that my nephew and niece are Gen Zs, Carlos is
Eli:Millennial, I'm Gen X, and we didn't really have a boomer in our family,
Eli:but we played the boomer side anyhow.
Eli:So much fun.
Eli:I learned so many things that I didn't know.
Eli:Yeah, during the boomers, like years and I just, it was fun.
Eli:So check it out.
Eli:I got it at Barnes and Nobles.
Eli:That's really fun to watch.
Nathan:That's awesome.
Nathan:That's a framework.
Nathan:You get movie reviews and board game reviews,
Bee:all pop culture.
Bee:I did a rewatch too.
Bee:I rewatched boy in the Heron.
Bee:Oh man, that's such a cute movie.
Bee:Yeah,
Nathan:I think that about.
Nathan:Wraps up.
Nathan:Would you say it'd be good?
Nathan:Good.
Nathan:Everyone should tune in next week when we review the next film in
Nathan:this series, Indiana Jones in the temple of doom from 1984.
Bee:Nobody tell me anything about it.
Nathan:No, but I would love you also to.
Nathan:Maybe share your thoughts of what you think this movie is going
Nathan:to be about before you watch it.
Nathan:Tell us when you're about to start it too.
Nathan:Cause I want, I'm sure I'll get a kind of a watch along without watching it with
Nathan:you, but ah, I can picture it in my head.
Bee:I think there's a temple.
Bee:I think it goes poorly.
Bee:I
Nathan:think if this week was a interesting conversation,
Nathan:next week is gonna, it's going to be something special too.
Nathan:And we have a guest lined up as well.
Nathan:So I'll, Share that with you.
Nathan:After we get off the
Bee:one thing I don't know is where to put my expectations.
Bee:Is this a series where all the movies are great?
Bee:Is the next one terrible?
Bee:Are one in three I don't know anything up
Nathan:for you.
Nathan:I don't want to taint your opinion.
Nathan:No, we're not going to tell
Eli:you.
Eli:Okay.
Nathan:All right.
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