Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981): The Greatest Adventure Ever Filmed?

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In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles relentlessly toward Earth, the

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world braces for an apocalyptic end.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here the chosen gather, their purpose clear, to preserve the

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very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion,

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and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit,

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are carefully cataloged and cradled confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more.

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For friends and family yearning for salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The movie nerds stand united, the keepers of a flame, promising a future where the

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art of storytelling endures, transcending the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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Welcome to Back to the Framerate, part of the Westin Media Podcast Network.

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I'm Nathan Shurer and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens,

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Brianna Butterworth, Sam Cole, who's back today and returning today.

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Is our dear friend and back to the framerate original OG hostess with

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the mostest Ellie Escobar What a reunion, Sam you're Three weeks

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Ellie is back as a guest tonight.

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And here we are reviewing this awesome It'll be here.

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I can't wait to catch up with you But I got, before we get into

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that, I have a really important question I have to ask you.

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This is a really simple one.

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It's a simple, multiple choice question for each of you.

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All right.

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You ready for this?

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Oh, okay.

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It's important.

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It's important.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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It sets the stage, sets the tone for the show.

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All right.

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You're browsing Amazon for a good deal on household cleaning supplies.

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Yes.

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When the delivery truck comes to your house, there's a mix up and

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the Ark of the Covenant accidentally ended up on your doorstep, courtesy

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of some major warehouse mix up.

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I'm just assuming that they share the same warehouse, that's all I can guess.

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But what do you do next?

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A.

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Do you call the government and hope they're available for a pickup?

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Or B.

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Do you sell it on eBay and see what kind of bids you get?

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Ancient mystical arcs likely used.

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Or C.

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Try to open it yourself, armed with sunglasses and a lot of sunscreen.

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Or D.

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Donate to a museum and become a local hero, but secretly regret not opening it.

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These are your only four options.

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I would, yeah.

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Oh, sorry.

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Tim.

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No, you go first.

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No, please.

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Yeah.

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I was going to go in order of we're going to go tonight.

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Absolutely.

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I'm going to open it cause I like that.

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Yeah.

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I'm a risk taker.

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I'm going to open that thing.

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I want to know what's inside.

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And if I like it, I may never like secretly keep it.

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I just going to secretly keep it.

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Okay.

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Sam what would you do?

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And I don't know if I can say the same thing, but what I would do is I

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would not look at it, but I would invite a whole bunch of people to my house that I

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don't open it, have it kill them all off.

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And then I just be like, Ah, good.

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All your Nazi friends?

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I have no Nazi friends.

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No, I have no Nazi friends.

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I just met like coworkers that I, people in life that like, I wouldn't

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mind if they like melted and stuff.

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Yeah.

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I

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think I just missed the beginning of this story.

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Was it a bomb inside?

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No, the Ark of the Covenant.

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No, the Ark of the Covenant.

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Oh, that's right.

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Oh, dude.

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Yeah.

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No, I I gotta keep it.

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I gotta keep it.

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You're gonna open it though?

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I'm gonna open it, but I hope that, I'm gonna have some glasses.

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Some kind of glasses on glasses and sunscreen.

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That was yeah.

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The sunglasses.

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Yep.

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There you go.

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I'm still going to open it.

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Yep.

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You guys are so brave.

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I'm going to give it to a museum and then be a little sad about it, but maybe I'll

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make some cool museum friends and they'll let me check out the other exhibits.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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If you hadn't guessed, we watched Raiders of the Lost Ark this week.

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And we are going to be talking about that.

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But one thing before we do we are just, we got to catch up with Ellie.

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We haven't seen you since March, April.

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I don't know exactly what's like at the beginning of the year.

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Like we wrapped up our epic romance.

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Romance I think what English page end of February, early March around there.

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That was our last episode with you.

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So that was

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a great series.

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Yeah.

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I think series in a lot of ways.

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Cause We got the notebook in on that one.

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If you remember,

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I was going to leave, I was going to leave with a bang with my

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favorite film being on that boat.

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So

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time may have passed, but you are still my meal.

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Nova center.

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Noventa.

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The gray, you still look like you don't age at all.

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So

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whatever would you mind telling a little bit, what have you been doing

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after your retirement from the podcast?

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So I've been really busy auditioning a lot of, I think a lot of the things One

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of the things that Sadly, as I had to step away from the podcast was so that I could

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focus more on my acting and also writing.

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And since I left, I've been I went on vacation to my country El Salvador

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after 10 years and I loved it.

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It was such a great place.

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Right now, El Salvador is so safe.

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It's There isn't even petty thieves around because nobody

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wants to make the president mad.

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Everybody loves the president and wants to make him proud.

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But it was a wonderful experience being in El Salvador for two years.

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And then just after I came back, it was all this audition is auditions

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waiting for me and just been auditioning with Boston casting my

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agent and taking some acting classes.

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And I actually booked a few of the gigs too, so I've been on set and just

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really tied along my acting and I'm.

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Just tweaking the script that I wrote.

Eli: 00:07:29

It's like a screenplay.

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It's a short film.

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And I called it IAI, but I recently changed the name to Penelope Awakens

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because I love the name Penelope.

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And it's a little bit of a like the whole story, what I want to do

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with the story is I want it to have a sense of morality and values.

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When it comes to AI, so I've been reading a lot of on AI and researching,

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and I've learned so much about the whole AI situation and how it started

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in 1956 and where it lay dormant for so many years from 1956 because there

Eli: 00:08:05

was no money then they tried to bring AI in the seventies and that didn't

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work because there was no money.

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And then they tried it in the eighties and that didn't work

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because there was no money.

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And then.

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Towards the millennial time, like two thousands, that's when it picked

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up and it's picked up so fast.

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It's and because now there's investors and the investors are usually the rich people

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who want to, chunk of that AI money and they want to be the first ones to have

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that AI the AI changes that are coming and they are coming and is inevitable, as

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much as we would like to think it's not.

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So I love.

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I started writing this out of, I don't know, it just came to my head.

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I have a lot of stories in my head, but this one's the one that

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developed the most and I should be casting pretty soon for it.

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It's just female.

Eli: 00:08:57

It's going to be female cast.

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It's it really is just two females really.

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And I'm not yet, if I'm going to be in a film I want to be on the other side

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of it, not in the, yes, I'm excited.

Eli: 00:09:07

And what else?

Eli: 00:09:08

Let me see.

Eli: 00:09:09

Oh, about a month ago in July, I started up running.

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I started running.

Eli: 00:09:15

Yeah.

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Four times a week.

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And let me tell you guys, I started running like really slowly.

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I think I was running like 30 minutes a mile.

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This week I actually started running 16 minutes per mile.

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So

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Impressive.

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Yeah.

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So this is my second month and I, the changes that, that I feel

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the energy and it's just great.

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I slowly by surely I've been achieving this goal of mine.

Eli: 00:09:43

It wasn't even a goal.

Eli: 00:09:44

I just went running with Carlos and it's become a thing.

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Like it's just now it's We're going to go running, we're going to go

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running, so I plan to keep running even through the winter, the cold weather.

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Yeah,

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that's

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pretty much it.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you for catching us up on what's going on.

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I also want to point out one thing and.

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This may also fly into the radar, but this is a a one year anniversary.

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Something also very important.

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Bea, you have been with us now one year.

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Oh,

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Bea!

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What a good year.

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What a good year, Stan.

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Yay.

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That's wonderful.

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Time flies, man.

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This is quite the episode.

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I'm excited.

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Speech, speech, everyone.

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No.

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Speech.

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No.

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Speech.

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No,

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I won't spring that on you.

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I'm glad it was on a good movie.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark, I have a plot synopsis here in 1936,

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archaeologists and adventurers of the U S what, who wrote this synopsis?

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Anyways, in 1936, archaeologists and adventurers of the U S government

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hired Indiana Jones to find the Ark of the Covenant before the Nazis

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could obtain its extraordinary powers.

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Yep.

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That's concise.

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Here is a snippet of the trailer.

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The

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Bible speaks of the ark leveling mountains and

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laying waste to entire regions.

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That's something to be taken lightly.

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No one knows its secrets.

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Jones, do you realize what the ark is?

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It's a transmitter.

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It's a radio for speaking to God.

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It's an army which carries the ark before it.

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is invincible.

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The Ark.

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It is their atonis.

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And it is something that man was not meant to disturb.

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It is protected by forces beyond imagination.

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It is desired above all treasures on Earth.

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By those who are good, trust me, and those who are evil, I'll

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tell you everything.

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Yes, I know you will.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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All right.

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Sam the Sixth, do you have the movie facts for us?

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Alright there are so many movie facts on this one that I tried

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to cherry pick them a little bit.

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Jump in if I miss anything, but first let me get some basic data across.

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This was directed by someone named Steven Spielberg.

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Never

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heard of him.

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Never

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heard of him.

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Haha.

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Haha.

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Haha.

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The screenplay was by Lawrence Kasdan, story by George Lucas and Philip

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Kaufman, produced by Frank Marshall and stars obviously Harrison Ford, Karen

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Allen, Paul Freeman as an excellent villain, Ronald Lacey as an intimidating

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villain John Rhys Davis and Denholm Elliott, cinematography by Douglas Don't

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forget first role for Alfred Molina.

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First

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role for Alfred Molina, day one on the set.

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He's covered in tarantulas.

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And since I'm doing facts, I'll say that none of the tarantulas

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were moving on his shirt.

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They were all male spiders.

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So Spielberg had them put a female spider on his jacket and all the spiders

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started jumping and crawling around.

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And that's how they got the spiders to move.

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Cinematography by Douglas Slacombe, who did the first four Indiana

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Jones film edited by Spielberg's

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Yeah.

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His credits go all the way back to 1942.

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Oh, incredible.

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His his many frequent collaborator, Michael Kahn, music by John Williams,

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production company, Lucasfilm.

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And let me go into more in depth.

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Detailed facts.

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So the legendary beginning of this is that in May of 1977,

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George Lucas was vacationing with Steven Spielberg in Hawaii.

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The week Star Wars opened because he wanted to escape, he was afraid

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Star Wars was going to be a flop.

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It was not.

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He breathed a sigh of relief when it was a huge hit, big opening weekend.

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And he asked Steven, he said, what do you want to do next?

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And Steven Spielberg said, I've always wanted to direct a James Bond movie.

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And I've been trying to do that.

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And Lucas said, I have something that's better than Bond.

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And that's when he started telling him the story of Indiana Smith.

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It was called at the time a playboy archeologist and then, and a tomb

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raider Spielberg loved the concept.

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And so that's where this, where the beginnings of this fateful partnership.

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Occurred interestingly enough.

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I really liked the how the story coalesced.

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They met at Lucas's assistant's house assistant's house in Sherman Oaks.

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And for eight hours a day for a couple of days, Steven Spielberg and George

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Lucas with Lawrence Kazdan recording them, Because he was the screenwriter.

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They just sat in a room and talked about set pieces that they wanted to

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see, visuals that they wanted to see.

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Lawrence Kasdan took down all these notes and it was up to him to coalesce

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all that material into a screenplay.

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Which I actually think is an organic way to start with a movie like that.

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It sounds Just like spitballing, but I'm fascinating.

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Fun fact Indiana is he, Lucas came up with a character from his Alaskan Malmute dog

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which will be referenced in a later film.

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And this movie at the time was actually a hard sell to many studios.

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If you can believe it, because at the time Spielberg had a

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reputation for going over schedule.

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and over budget and this time 1941 was a big budget box office flop.

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And so Spielberg was determined to come in under budget and under

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schedule, which he did, and which I actually think really helped this film.

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Famously, Tom Selleck was picked for the role of Indiana Jones, but due to his

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fractional obligations with Magnum P.

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I., he could not do the film.

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In 1999, the Library of Congress added this into their library of

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films of cultural significance.

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This was shot in La Rochelle, France, Tunisia, Hawaii, and Elstree Studios,

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England, was where they did all the studio work because of course, since

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this was a Lucasfilm production, they had an apparatus set up in England

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and they had a whole bunch of Star Wars tech crew already, so going to

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L3 studios for them was a perfect fit.

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This fact, I actually only just learned today, to save the budget,

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the, at the very end, there's a brief establishing shot of Washington, D.

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C., and It's from a movie called the Hindenburg from 1975.

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They just use footage from another film.

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So they didn't have to go out and shoot that establishing shot.

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I did not know this.

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And on a personal note, I've always found this story fascinating, even

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though it's indirectly related.

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Spielberg.

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In the middle of the Tunisian desert, when he was feeling very lonely and

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isolated and Raiders in some ways is much more technical than some of the

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other movies he's done, it's all about action, he wanted to get something

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back to more of a spiritual tone, and it was in the Tunisian desert, when he

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first came up with the concept of E.

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T.

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the Extra Terrestrial, while they were shooting, and he actually talked Harrison

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Ford's girlfriend at the time, Melissa Mathison, to write the screenplay for E.

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T., right at first draft.

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She was not interested in doing it.

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And it was Harrison that came between Stephen and her and said, I, you

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should really give this a shot.

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I just write the script for him and see what happens.

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And so the rest there is history.

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Please jump in.

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Those are some of the main facts.

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This is one of those movies.

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There's so much lore and there's so much that I could, just go on forever.

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So that's my, Brief chunk off the top of my head,

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Sam, you hit the big ones.

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Absolutely.

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Those are great.

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Just to mention a few things about the crew behind this, you

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have mentioned Steven Spielberg.

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This is a sixth feature film.

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Lawrence Caston, we reviewed a Lawrence Caston film about a year

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ago, he directed Body Heat 81.

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known for the big chill Silverado.

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He also, before this was the writer of Empire Strikes Back as well.

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So he's worked on a few things.

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What a crew George Lucas pulled together for this.

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And I feel George Lucas was one of the producers on this,

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but this was really his baby.

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And I think that sometimes gets overlooked sometimes, but he's the one that brought

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in like Douglas Slocum and John Williams and a lot of these people, and it

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means so much credit has to go for him.

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John Williams, the score

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is incredible.

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It is.

Nathan: 00:18:29

And how this did not win best score.

Nathan: 00:18:32

I don't know.

Nathan: 00:18:32

I actually, let me get into some of the awards here.

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Cause I did pull this up here.

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This was nominated for nine Academy Awards in 1982 and the 82 Academy Awards

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nominated for art direction, editing sound, editing, visual effects, nothing

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for wardrobe, which I was surprised.

Nathan: 00:18:49

Wow.

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Cause I totally would think that this should have gotten one did win for.

Nathan: 00:18:54

But that's what it did win for.

Nathan: 00:18:56

Sorry.

Nathan: 00:18:56

It won for art direction, editing sound, editing, visual effects.

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It got nominated, but did not win for best picture.

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Only Indiana Jones film to get nominated for best picture.

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Lost to chariots of fire.

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Did chariots of fire win best score that year?

Nathan: 00:19:12

Yes.

Nathan: 00:19:13

That's what I thought.

Nathan: 00:19:14

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:19:15

And everyone knows the song from that.

Nathan: 00:19:16

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:19:18

Yeah, exactly.

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Lost best director to Warren Beatty for Reds.

Nathan: 00:19:26

Also a cinematography to Reds and we talked about score.

Nathan: 00:19:30

So that's the, and there's other BAFTA and other awards and global goals, but those

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are the academy awards I picked up on.

Nathan: 00:19:38

I dunno if we mentioned this came out on June 12th, 1981, came out the same

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day as History of the World Part One

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and

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released one week after this was Superman.

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Two.

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What?

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What a great summer.

Nathan: 00:19:54

What?

Nathan: 00:19:54

What?

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What a, what an amazing June.

Nathan: 00:19:56

Yeah.

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And these came in, I think one and two in the box office at the end of the year.

Nathan: 00:19:59

This was the number one movie of 81.

Nathan: 00:20:01

I think Superman two may have been number.

Nathan: 00:20:03

To I have to look at it,

Nathan: 00:20:04

but

Nathan: 00:20:05

yeah 20 million.

Nathan: 00:20:07

This movie was, that's nothing.

Nathan: 00:20:09

And yeah, calculate that on today's money.

Nathan: 00:20:11

That's only 77 million.

Nathan: 00:20:13

So that's still not a lot.

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That

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is literally 7 million less than the price of alien Romulus to give you a

Nathan: 00:20:21

And at the time and its initial release made 212 million, but overall 300

Nathan: 00:20:27

and almost 390 million overall global.

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So

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Paramount executives at the time, because it was doing so

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well in the summer, it had, it was one of the leggiest box off.

Sam: 00:20:39

It, it played in theaters for almost a year.

Sam: 00:20:41

And so all the Paramount.

Sam: 00:20:42

Executives in the fall jokingly said, Hey, Raiders is going to be a great

Sam: 00:20:46

Christmas movie too, because it just went right through the whole year.

Nathan: 00:20:51

And two other pieces trivia, I know you mentioned the Tom Selleck thing.

Nathan: 00:20:55

I just want to ask before we get into really review, what do you think

Nathan: 00:20:59

about this movie with Tom Selleck?

Nathan: 00:21:01

No.

Nathan: 00:21:03

Thumbs down from Ellie.

Nathan: 00:21:05

No.

Sam: 00:21:05

I don't think it would have been awful.

Sam: 00:21:07

I just think it would have been very different in terms of his energy.

Sam: 00:21:12

I see why they liked him, but I'm really glad that it was, Harrison

Sam: 00:21:15

Ford was so destined to do it.

Sam: 00:21:17

Lucas didn't want to do Harrison because he thought That audiences would perceive

Sam: 00:21:22

that he was using Harrison too much in American graffiti and in Star Wars.

Sam: 00:21:26

And now he's in this, he was very wanted a fresh face and it was Spielberg that

Sam: 00:21:31

pushed for Harrison, which was great.

Sam: 00:21:33

He

Eli: 00:21:33

was married.

Eli: 00:21:34

He was,

Eli: 00:21:36

Tom Selleck is not eye candy.

Eli: 00:21:37

And.

Eli: 00:21:38

Back in the day, because I, for me,

Bee: 00:21:42

I have, I had, I'm

Sam: 00:21:44

not from friends thinks he is.

Sam: 00:21:47

Cause they had a relationship in that show,

Nathan: 00:21:49

but I remember in the main reason why he looked at what Scorsese

Nathan: 00:21:54

and how he used Robert De Niro.

Nathan: 00:21:56

It was like, he did not want to be that guy that had Oh, I'm using

Nathan: 00:22:00

the same actor for all my pictures.

Sam: 00:22:02

And also to quote Lucas, he's I don't know if we can, I don't know if

Sam: 00:22:05

we can get Harrison for three movies is she's going to, it's going to be

Sam: 00:22:07

tough to get the contract on that one.

Nathan: 00:22:12

And two other pieces, this is really minor stuff.

Nathan: 00:22:14

The I read that the other earlier today, that his bullwhip

Nathan: 00:22:17

auctioned off for 43, 000.

Nathan: 00:22:20

Worth it.

Nathan: 00:22:21

Yep.

Nathan: 00:22:23

The whip, the bullet.

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Here's the interesting fact.

Nathan: 00:22:27

And this just makes me feel old when I think about this.

Nathan: 00:22:29

This film is now 43 years old in, in 1981, it's depicting the

Nathan: 00:22:36

events that took place in 1936.

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And it's really weird when to think that this movie.

Nathan: 00:22:45

If it were to come out today, and we were to look back at the events that

Nathan: 00:22:48

took place 43 years prior, we'd be telling a story that took place in 1981.

Nathan: 00:22:53

That's crazy.

Nathan: 00:22:54

Yeah, that's

Nathan: 00:22:55

funny, eh?

Nathan: 00:22:57

Time messing with you, but that's, I thought about that just recently.

Nathan: 00:23:00

On a side note,

Sam: 00:23:01

I think the fedora, didn't the fedora, the original hat, sell recently

Sam: 00:23:05

at an auction for some ridiculous price?

Sam: 00:23:07

Like this summer there was a, yeah.

Nathan: 00:23:09

You think I could rock that fedora?

Nathan: 00:23:10

and

Nathan: 00:23:12

It's a deep rabbit hole of facts and trivia that we could get into,

Nathan: 00:23:19

but that'd be probably pretty boring.

Nathan: 00:23:21

Let's get into our reviews and this, our thoughts on this.

Nathan: 00:23:23

Ellie, you are a guest of honor.

Nathan: 00:23:26

We brought you back specifically for this episode cause we know what

Nathan: 00:23:29

a big fan you are of this film.

Nathan: 00:23:31

Tell us is this movie any good?

Nathan: 00:23:34

Yeah.

Eli: 00:23:35

Are you kidding me?

Eli: 00:23:36

I don't think I can ever stop.

Eli: 00:23:39

Like every time I watch this movie and I have a habit of watching

Eli: 00:23:44

movies that I like over and over, like The Notebook, for example.

Eli: 00:23:48

Indiana Jones, not only is one of those favorite movies that I love, it's the

Eli: 00:23:52

fact that Harrison for, I've always been or had a crush on him since the first

Eli: 00:23:58

time I seen him like back in the 80s.

Eli: 00:24:00

And it's funny enough back in the 80s, I didn't understand the movie

Eli: 00:24:04

because I didn't speak English a lot.

Eli: 00:24:06

I didn't understand a little bit concept.

Eli: 00:24:08

I didn't even know what it was.

Eli: 00:24:10

The whole thing was about, I didn't know about the Nazi.

Eli: 00:24:12

Yeah, I was very, I watched for the action and for the good looking man in

Eli: 00:24:19

it, because, back then he was all, always.

Eli: 00:24:22

Older than me, but hey, I thought he was hot.

Eli: 00:24:25

And I don't know guys, but there's a thing about men on

Eli: 00:24:29

horses that I find extremely hot.

Eli: 00:24:34

Okay.

Eli: 00:24:34

I just, it just got, it gets to me.

Eli: 00:24:37

I'll watch the movie just to see him on that horse over and over again.

Eli: 00:24:42

But I love Indiana Jones.

Eli: 00:24:44

I love everything from the comedy.

Eli: 00:24:47

You forget that there's, it's not just action, but there's comedic

Eli: 00:24:51

timing in this movie that is so cool.

Eli: 00:24:54

And it just, I laugh all, always every time I watch this

Eli: 00:24:58

movie, I'm always laughing.

Eli: 00:25:00

The people's faces when they get scared or they get killed, it's

Eli: 00:25:05

truthfully, that is not how you die.

Eli: 00:25:07

But the fact that they made this dramatic face and you're the heck?

Eli: 00:25:13

Really?

Eli: 00:25:13

Okay, and then Spielberg.

Eli: 00:25:15

I don't like spiders to the very first beginning.

Eli: 00:25:19

I'm like, I don't like snakes either.

Eli: 00:25:21

But, but I take snakes over spiders anytime.

Eli: 00:25:25

But then I take neither.

Eli: 00:25:27

But the fact that the whole idea of the arc, As humans, we always try

Eli: 00:25:31

to like at the beginning, Nathan gave us the option to give the art

Eli: 00:25:35

to the museum or not open the box.

Eli: 00:25:38

But as humans, we're going to be curious and we're going to want to open it.

Eli: 00:25:42

We want to know what's inside and that's going to kill us.

Eli: 00:25:46

Eventually, because we don't pay attention, but I love the whole

Eli: 00:25:51

concept of the film and, the Nazis being the evil people that they were,

Eli: 00:25:55

back in the day and to see them being obliterated, it's actually a good feeling.

Eli: 00:26:02

I'm sorry.

Eli: 00:26:03

I'm not like, I have a human side to me, but I have no sympathy for Nazi

Eli: 00:26:10

and anyone who tries to obliterate another race because, just because.

Eli: 00:26:16

And so I love that Spielberg and, obviously for all the obvious reasons,

Eli: 00:26:23

he created this film and did just that.

Eli: 00:26:26

So I truly enjoyed this film.

Eli: 00:26:28

I love Harrison.

Eli: 00:26:29

I love the whole.

Eli: 00:26:31

Concept of the Indiana Jones series, I've watched them all, and even the

Eli: 00:26:36

last one, when was it last year?

Eli: 00:26:40

So I went to the movies and I saw it and I liked the, how they tied it together

Eli: 00:26:44

and brought the girlfriend, the wife back.

Eli: 00:26:47

Right.

Eli: 00:26:48

Cause I've seen other shows where.

Eli: 00:26:50

They don't bring the people back, so it's like sad that they don't do that.

Eli: 00:26:55

So I don't know, it's a good feel movie for me, just really fun to watch.

Eli: 00:27:03

It's entertaining.

Eli: 00:27:04

It's entertaining.

Eli: 00:27:05

You're rooting for Indiana.

Eli: 00:27:07

He's hot.

Eli: 00:27:08

He's just, uh, he, After fighting, it makes me want to be Indiana Jones.

Eli: 00:27:15

Like I could, in my head, I could close my eyes and see myself being Indiana Jones.

Eli: 00:27:19

By the way, my dad became Indiana Jones for Halloween.

Eli: 00:27:23

This is where we got the hat that you saw earlier.

Eli: 00:27:26

He had the whip, he had everything.

Eli: 00:27:28

So I was like, yes, my dad is Indiana Jones.

Eli: 00:27:32

And in reality, I think of my dad as an Indiana Jones kind of guy, cause

Eli: 00:27:37

he fixes everything that's broken.

Eli: 00:27:40

He really does.

Eli: 00:27:41

He's very mechanic.

Eli: 00:27:42

He's a mechanic by trade since he was like 11 years old.

Eli: 00:27:46

There is nothing my dad cannot do to fix.

Eli: 00:27:49

He'll fix it.

Eli: 00:27:50

I just know he'll fix it.

Eli: 00:27:52

And so Indiana Jones is like that way.

Eli: 00:27:55

He'll fix everything.

Eli: 00:27:56

He'll figure out a way to get out of any situation.

Eli: 00:27:59

And that's my dad.

Eli: 00:28:00

So my dad is actually Indiana Jones.

Eli: 00:28:02

So I live with Indiana Jones.

Nathan: 00:28:04

That's awesome.

Nathan: 00:28:05

All right.

Nathan: 00:28:08

Ellie, so I got to ask if you had to give it a rating from

Nathan: 00:28:11

one to five, let me see 10.

Nathan: 00:28:15

No.

Nathan: 00:28:15

Okay.

Nathan: 00:28:16

Five.

Nathan: 00:28:18

All right.

Nathan: 00:28:20

I think I am I'm next.

Nathan: 00:28:23

So I, I've been mulling this over for a while, how to put my words, my thoughts

Nathan: 00:28:27

about Raiders of the Lost Ark, into this review and it's really hard to do.

Nathan: 00:28:30

Cause I fear about fear that much of what I'm going to say is going to sound very.

Nathan: 00:28:34

Hyperbolic because honestly, this film along with probably the first two Star

Nathan: 00:28:40

Wars films are the Holy Trinity of what action adventure was for me growing up.

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And I

Nathan: 00:28:46

remember reenacting in the backyard with friends

Nathan: 00:28:49

scenes from this movie.

Nathan: 00:28:51

We pretended that the boulder was chasing after us, or we were like, Crawling like

Nathan: 00:28:57

we had a friend that had a big pickup truck and we would like climb underneath

Nathan: 00:29:01

it, holding on, thinking that pretending it was like driving down, a dirt road.

Nathan: 00:29:05

So we were doing all these things.

Nathan: 00:29:07

This, and this was long before I thought about a career in the industry.

Nathan: 00:29:11

Everything about this movie is just pure magic for me.

Nathan: 00:29:15

It's probably the film that I most consistently returned to every couple

Nathan: 00:29:20

of years and it never fails to.

Nathan: 00:29:24

Bring the biggest smile to my face.

Nathan: 00:29:26

Experiencing Raiders for me, I can only describe as a religious experience

Nathan: 00:29:31

because it's about as perfect a movie.

Nathan: 00:29:33

I think there is the characters.

Nathan: 00:29:36

All of them, what I like about this is that they're all flawed in some

Nathan: 00:29:39

way, even, Even Indiana Jones the art direction John Williams score,

Nathan: 00:29:45

which still gives me goosebumps, probably more than any of his scores.

Nathan: 00:29:49

It just, to this day the grand scope of everything.

Nathan: 00:29:52

It's just incredible watching it this past week.

Nathan: 00:29:56

Actually was a very emotional for me because two things

Nathan: 00:30:00

recently took place in my life.

Nathan: 00:30:01

I've entered.

Nathan: 00:30:02

A new decade in my life.

Nathan: 00:30:04

I've now watched this film in six different decades of my life, which is the

Nathan: 00:30:10

only movie I can say that about right now.

Nathan: 00:30:12

Which is almost like a religious experience in itself, but this is also

Nathan: 00:30:16

like a dad movie and you talk about dads.

Nathan: 00:30:19

Ellie, a moment ago, and I had the same experience.

Nathan: 00:30:23

I've said this before, and I don't want anyone to misinterpret my worries, I

Nathan: 00:30:26

love my two daughters, but they have no interest in watching this film, which

Nathan: 00:30:31

kind of breaks my heart a little bit.

Nathan: 00:30:33

I wish they did because I want so desperately.

Nathan: 00:30:36

Desperately to share this movie with them or anyone, anybody who hasn't

Nathan: 00:30:40

seen this, which makes me happy.

Nathan: 00:30:42

Knowing that there's somebody on this podcast, that's never seen this

Nathan: 00:30:44

before that, that we now have the opportunity to, we need to watch

Nathan: 00:30:49

it be, even though I know that.

Nathan: 00:30:51

No, it was my idea.

Nathan: 00:30:52

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:30:53

And also a few days ago, and I don't think he'll mind that I mentioned this, but a

Nathan: 00:30:57

few days ago my best friend, His father, he was a great man, someone who I've

Nathan: 00:31:02

looked up to for 40 years, passed away.

Nathan: 00:31:05

And it really got me thinking about, movies that fathers share with their

Nathan: 00:31:10

children and parents also, but I know this was one that they shared together.

Nathan: 00:31:16

And this was, a friend of mine that I, he dressed up for.

Nathan: 00:31:20

Halloween as Indiana Jones as well.

Nathan: 00:31:22

I remember this and I think I, and I mentioned a year ago on

Nathan: 00:31:25

our Dial Destiny episode that I went to the theater back in 1981.

Nathan: 00:31:30

This was one of the formative movies that I remember, probably this one

Nathan: 00:31:34

and maybe Star Trek, the motion picture and Empire Strike Strikes

Nathan: 00:31:38

Back as like those first few films.

Nathan: 00:31:40

I remember sharing with my dad, and I got to last year, return

Nathan: 00:31:45

the favor when I took him.

Nathan: 00:31:48

To see dial a destiny.

Nathan: 00:31:49

So it feels like a full circle and, from so many conversations I've

Nathan: 00:31:54

had with friends and acquaintances over my lifetime, this is a

Nathan: 00:31:57

universal experience with this film.

Nathan: 00:32:00

So whether it's raise the last dark or star Wars, or maybe even

Nathan: 00:32:03

seeing ET, this is just one of those movies that, changes how.

Nathan: 00:32:07

I look at the world when I was a young child, but you probably had to be there.

Nathan: 00:32:12

That's the thing, to really have that kind of takeaway.

Nathan: 00:32:15

I'm not sure coming at it with fresh eyes, if it holds that status, but

Nathan: 00:32:20

I imagine, someone, If you see, if you pick up in those references that

Nathan: 00:32:27

these, this movie is referencing in a modern cinema, it's there, it's

Nathan: 00:32:31

all over the map in new movies now.

Nathan: 00:32:33

So I'm when we get to be, I like, no, if you're picking up on all the

Nathan: 00:32:39

references to Raiders in these other movies that you're gonna, we're gonna.

Nathan: 00:32:42

See this month in newer films, but

Bee: 00:32:45

anyways, I was thinking about that the whole time.

Bee: 00:32:47

We'll talk about it

Nathan: 00:32:48

This is a masterpiece of cinema.

Nathan: 00:32:49

It's a five star movie five stars can't contain this film.

Nathan: 00:32:53

That's my pick B I'm gonna hand I think you're Sam Oh, Sam's but yeah, sorry.

Nathan: 00:32:59

Yeah, Sam.

Sam: 00:33:01

Okay.

Sam: 00:33:01

So I boy, yeah I literally feel the same way, Nathan.

Sam: 00:33:05

I'm a little bit younger, so I'm 43 now.

Sam: 00:33:09

And so I saw this on VHS for the first time, but it was my father

Sam: 00:33:14

that introduced the film to me.

Sam: 00:33:16

And I was obsessed with it as a five year old kid.

Sam: 00:33:20

And And what Ellie was saying is that even when I was so little and

Sam: 00:33:26

there was obviously like a lot of nuances and story beats that as a

Sam: 00:33:29

little kid, I couldn't pick up on.

Sam: 00:33:31

Spielberg is such a good visual storyteller that I could follow the action

Sam: 00:33:36

and I could follow what was going on.

Sam: 00:33:38

And as a little kid, this was the movie where the guy With the hat, fought the bad

Sam: 00:33:44

guys and he went after the big chest, and I just, the brilliance of Steven Spielberg

Sam: 00:33:49

is that his visual storytelling language is made for people ages eight through 80.

Sam: 00:33:55

And you can just literally, And even if you

Eli: 00:33:57

don't speak English or understand English well, you can still.

Eli: 00:34:00

Follow the story, which is really cool because funny thing, Nathan,

Eli: 00:34:04

did you say that I went to see this movie back then with my dad?

Eli: 00:34:09

We both didn't really speak English really well, but it was my dad and I, cause they

Eli: 00:34:13

wouldn't let me go to movies by myself, cause I was younger, so they were like,

Eli: 00:34:16

you're not going to the movies alone.

Eli: 00:34:18

So my dad would have to sit.

Eli: 00:34:20

to see movies.

Eli: 00:34:20

If I wanted to see a movie, he had to come and sit with me, cause I'd be like, my

Eli: 00:34:24

mom was taking care of my little brother.

Eli: 00:34:26

So I was just like, so it was really fun.

Eli: 00:34:29

It's really awesome to hear both of you that your experiences are

Eli: 00:34:31

also with your dads, because I thought I was the only one, but it's

Eli: 00:34:35

cool to see that wasn't just me.

Eli: 00:34:37

Sorry.

Sam: 00:34:38

No, absolutely.

Sam: 00:34:38

No, absolutely.

Sam: 00:34:39

No he literally introduced me to Indiana Jones and he

Sam: 00:34:43

encouraged my enjoyment of it.

Sam: 00:34:44

And it really funny story.

Sam: 00:34:46

I was in kindergarten watching this movie and I was obsessed with the

Sam: 00:34:49

special effects of the finale when the arc of the covenant opens up and

Sam: 00:34:54

destroys and kills all the Nazis.

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otter.

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ai

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Father and mother and said, we think your son is really disturbed and we're

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really concerned about him and they showed what I've been drawing and it was all

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these face melting eyeballs popping out and my dad burst out laughing and said

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no, this is he really loves the movie.

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He's just reenacting the scene because he was enamored with it.

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I will say, yeah.

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For me, the nostalgia is a given it's so ingrained with my childhood

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and, acting out those scenes.

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And because the Indiana Jones is such an earthly movie, it was such a perfect

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India playing Indiana Jones outside.

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In the dirt and in your backyard and the road and it's just it was just great.

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But if I say talking about looking at it now, analyzing it, what I love about

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Steven Spielberg's direction in this movie is Spielberg himself has said,

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this is one of the few movies that he can watch with his kids where he can enjoy

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the movie for the movie sake by itself.

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Meaning he's not watching it going, Oh, I wish I'd use that lens or he can

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just separate himself and enjoy it.

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I think.

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Raiders has such economical focused storytelling.

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And I think that Spielberg is so good with visual geography

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and almost having a very three dimensional sense to his use of space.

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And so I love in his films that.

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This is the thing, like at the tennis dig site in Tunisia, where they shot,

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if you look in the background of the shot, there are just extras upon extras,

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like a thousand feet from the camera.

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And in a modern film, they'd shoot the foreground and they'd

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CGI Spielberg's effort where he puts that and he does that in.

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All of his films, even today, in a different way, but just, and I

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have to comment, I think the truck chase is my, one of my favorite

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action sequences of all time.

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The editing is so perfect.

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The timing is perfect.

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John Williams storytelling of the music on the truck chase

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is eight and a half minutes.

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And it literally.

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Has chapters of the chase and John Williams guide you through it.

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It's just it's just like incredible.

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It's so awesome.

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And I just and lastly, I'll say that what I like about it, the tonality

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is, it has, adventure serial and James Bond, but when Indiana Jones has

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always had is I like the underlying.

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mysticism of whatever the MacGuffin is, whether it's the Ark of the Covenant,

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and we won't talk about the later films yet, but there is an underlying like

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almost supernatural spiritual, it has, and it has nothing to do with dogmatic.

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religion or anything like that.

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It's more about the arc in the story.

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Is this mystical, do not mess with the powers, of the unknown above mere mortals.

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And I liked that the movie takes that seriously and When he goes to the Matt

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room and he puts the staff of RAH in and John Williams' music and can't.

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That's

Bee: 00:38:03

so good.

Bee: 00:38:04

I can't,

Sam: 00:38:05

yeah, I can't deal with it.

Sam: 00:38:06

I don't want, I don't wanna cry because I'll start to cry so

Sam: 00:38:10

I can say . I know seriously.

Nathan: 00:38:11

I well up during that, the score and the look.

Nathan: 00:38:14

On Indy's face, the smile that, and like he, that scene just glows.

Nathan: 00:38:20

And I really, yeah,

Sam: 00:38:22

it's just amazing.

Sam: 00:38:23

And for me, it's just a flat out five stars.

Sam: 00:38:26

And I also think the circumstances of Spielberg wanting to come in under budget.

Sam: 00:38:31

He said that he did not indulge himself, meaning he, to save the budget they

Sam: 00:38:35

cut out, they didn't use some techno crane shots and he kept himself in this.

Sam: 00:38:39

And so the storytelling is so lean and mean, and just this movie

Sam: 00:38:45

is just so pitch perfect that you just get to the end of it.

Sam: 00:38:48

And you just, it's you just sit there and slow clap in silence.

Sam: 00:38:52

Cause it's that was perfect five stars, but I don't even know what else To say,

Sam: 00:38:55

, Eli: it's so funny, I have to tell you guys, I actually run to the

Sam: 00:38:58

score of Radi Jean, the Lost Ark.

Sam: 00:39:01

I, that's the music that I listen to.

Sam: 00:39:03

And when I'm on the track, I don't run on the street.

Sam: 00:39:06

I have to go to the track to run.

Sam: 00:39:07

. Okay.

Eli: 00:39:08

But when I run and I hear that music, I feel like I'm Indiana Jones running.

Eli: 00:39:13

Oh yeah.

Eli: 00:39:14

It just gives you that, yeah.

Eli: 00:39:16

That extra.

Eli: 00:39:17

I don't know, like just extra motivation, exactly.

Sam: 00:39:20

And I'll say lastly, Ellie, you just reminded me of a fun fact that I forgot,

Sam: 00:39:23

but John Williams came up with two scores.

Sam: 00:39:26

One was done.

Sam: 00:39:28

The other one was done.

Sam: 00:39:31

And Spielberg said, why not combine both of them and keep them both?

Sam: 00:39:34

I like them both.

Sam: 00:39:35

I can't decide.

Sam: 00:39:36

And so they're both part of the score.

Sam: 00:39:38

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:39:40

Amazing.

Nathan: 00:39:41

B, before we get to your review, I would love for you to share

Nathan: 00:39:46

what you wrote down as a Sure.

Nathan: 00:39:47

What do you know to be true about Raiders of the Lost Ark,

Nathan: 00:39:50

or the franchise in general?

Bee: 00:39:52

Yeah for anyone who's been following along, I have never seen

Bee: 00:39:57

any of these movies, and I have somehow managed to go almost 33 years

Bee: 00:40:01

with no spoilers for these movies.

Bee: 00:40:04

I didn't do any Universal rides, I'd never read any articles,

Bee: 00:40:08

I knew absolutely nothing.

Bee: 00:40:10

I didn't even know this was a Lucasfilm, like I knew nothing

Bee: 00:40:13

about this movie going in.

Bee: 00:40:15

But just like Nathan was saying from popular culture, like things have

Bee: 00:40:18

seeped through as references, be they overt or just more background.

Bee: 00:40:23

And so there were a few things like preconceived notions that I had.

Bee: 00:40:27

I was like, I'm pretty sure this is going to show up at some point.

Bee: 00:40:30

And I do think they're probably really funny now in hindsight.

Bee: 00:40:34

So there were two things I knew to be gospel fun, little hat.

Bee: 00:40:39

And he has a whip definitely, for sure.

Bee: 00:40:44

I was under the impression that there might be some like vine writing like

Bee: 00:40:49

Tarzan style, and we did, we got

Nathan: 00:40:52

a little,

Bee: 00:40:53

yeah, we got a little wait a couple more movies.

Bee: 00:40:55

I had no idea that this movie was.

Bee: 00:41:01

fighting Nazis.

Bee: 00:41:02

I thought this took place in the late 1800s.

Bee: 00:41:04

I had no clue that this would be like a World War II movie.

Bee: 00:41:10

I thought there would be like a younger Indian, like a small

Bee: 00:41:14

child that was his protege.

Bee: 00:41:15

Like my image was he was like a cantankerous old man and there was a

Bee: 00:41:19

kid that just warmed the cockles of his heart and he took him on the adventure.

Bee: 00:41:23

That didn't happen.

Bee: 00:41:24

Maybe it will.

Bee: 00:41:25

I was pretty sure there'd be gold, but I thought the gold, because

Bee: 00:41:28

it's arc Ark of the Covenant.

Bee: 00:41:30

I didn't know what that was, so I thought like a ship, but that's just the Goonies,

Bee: 00:41:34

so it's not a pirate ship at all.

Bee: 00:41:38

I figured he would have a catchphrase.

Bee: 00:41:39

He doesn't.

Bee: 00:41:41

I was surprised that there was a romance.

Bee: 00:41:43

And I thought there would just be one villain across all the movies, like Harry

Bee: 00:41:47

Potter, but I don't, now I don't think the Nazis are going to show up all the time.

Bee: 00:41:52

So I don't think, so that's what I thought going into it.

Bee: 00:41:57

Obviously not all that held up.

Bee: 00:41:59

I don't know how interesting that'll be for people,

Sam: 00:42:01

but fascinating.

Sam: 00:42:03

Yeah.

Sam: 00:42:04

It really is.

Sam: 00:42:05

I'm not joking.

Sam: 00:42:06

Yeah.

Bee: 00:42:07

That was like my initial impression, but I am so on board with all of you.

Bee: 00:42:13

This movie is magic.

Bee: 00:42:15

Like from the opening scene, the thing that stood out to me

Bee: 00:42:20

immediately were the set pieces.

Bee: 00:42:23

I think all of you here know how much I ride for practical

Bee: 00:42:26

effects and big sets and things, just feeling real and shooting.

Bee: 00:42:32

On these locations shooting on these big sets, the stakes felt so high immediately

Bee: 00:42:38

in this movie and I think I sent a message to you guys where I was like, holy shit,

Bee: 00:42:42

it's Alfred Molina like I love him so much and I was like he died so quickly and I

Bee: 00:42:47

was like no, I really want to see more Molina I was one of the good guys but it

Bee: 00:42:51

just it's it immediately sets you into this tone of adventure movie and there's

Bee: 00:42:58

I do think when you've seen what you're what the movie influences later in life,

Bee: 00:43:04

and then you go back to the catalyst.

Bee: 00:43:06

Sometimes the catalyst doesn't always hold up.

Bee: 00:43:08

I introduced my nieces and nephews to Men in Black but they've seen a lot of really

Bee: 00:43:12

good CGI sci fi now, so Men in Black for them, they were like, Yeah, okay.

Bee: 00:43:17

They weren't as wrapped with attention as I was for Men in Black when it came out.

Bee: 00:43:22

So I was nervous about that, but that didn't happen at all.

Bee: 00:43:24

You can totally see how this is the blueprint in terms

Bee: 00:43:28

of pacing and storytelling.

Bee: 00:43:30

Everything is so tight and clear and concise.

Bee: 00:43:32

The characters are excellent, but it does also just feel, um, you can be transported

Bee: 00:43:39

to the sense of childlike wonder.

Bee: 00:43:40

I think that's the thing that Spielberg does best.

Bee: 00:43:43

Like, when he has that, when he's on, when there's a Spielberg movie that you

Bee: 00:43:48

really like, I think it's because you can, I didn't see this until I was 32, but I

Bee: 00:43:52

could feel like I was 8 years old watching this and just be totally awed at this the

Bee: 00:43:57

spectacle and the grandeur of everything and how big it all felt and how Serious.

Bee: 00:44:03

It all felt, even though it was very Spielberg mystical for

Bee: 00:44:06

me, my frame of reference for nostalgia is Lord of the Rings.

Bee: 00:44:09

That's the movie that I saw with my dad.

Bee: 00:44:11

He kept me outta school.

Bee: 00:44:12

I've told this story on the Pod before.

Bee: 00:44:14

. I was 10.

Bee: 00:44:15

When the first one came out and then we saw them every year together.

Bee: 00:44:19

And for me, that movie sitting in the movie theater with my dad and

Bee: 00:44:23

looking up at the big screen and just being like, I'm transported.

Bee: 00:44:27

I'm in this magical realm with magical people and anything's possible.

Bee: 00:44:33

And I'm going to learn Elvish and read all these books.

Bee: 00:44:36

And I fell in love with it.

Bee: 00:44:37

And at 32 years old, I got to feel that way again.

Bee: 00:44:40

And I was like, this is so cool.

Bee: 00:44:42

It was great.

Nathan: 00:44:43

So cool hearing that.

Bee: 00:44:45

It was great.

Bee: 00:44:46

Yeah.

Bee: 00:44:46

Five stars.

Bee: 00:44:47

Perfect movie.

Sam: 00:44:48

Oh, I'm so glad to hear that, that it has the, that, that power still,

Sam: 00:44:53

cause my view is so skewed by childhood that it's great that it has that effect.

Sam: 00:44:57

Yeah.

Eli: 00:44:58

I really thought so,

Bee: 00:44:59

yeah.

Eli: 00:45:00

And it's, to me, it's like, it's funny cause this is one of those movies

Eli: 00:45:02

that, You've already watched, you know what's gonna happen, but for some reason,

Eli: 00:45:08

every time I watch, it seems like it's the first time I'm watching the movie.

Eli: 00:45:12

Cause it's

Bee: 00:45:12

Hello.

Bee: 00:45:13

It's it doesn't get old.

Bee: 00:45:14

I caught myself like reaching for my partner's hand.

Bee: 00:45:17

I was like, Oh my God.

Bee: 00:45:19

Oh my God.

Bee: 00:45:19

What's gonna happen?

Bee: 00:45:20

Oh my God.

Bee: 00:45:21

Oh my God.

Bee: 00:45:21

I just was so surprised, but I didn't know that there was a face melting scene.

Bee: 00:45:25

That was a super fun surprise for me.

Bee: 00:45:27

I thought the plane fight was awesome.

Bee: 00:45:29

Oh my God, yeah.

Bee: 00:45:31

Shooting out the cockpit, like the actions, so good in this

Bee: 00:45:34

movie, but it does just feel Big.

Bee: 00:45:37

This movie feels huge.

Bee: 00:45:39

And I think that's so powerful.

Eli: 00:45:42

Yeah.

Sam: 00:45:43

And Bea, I don't know, I don't know if if you know this Bea, but

Sam: 00:45:45

that, that funny scene where the guy does all the moves with the sword

Sam: 00:45:49

and Harrison Ford just shot him.

Sam: 00:45:51

The reason he did was because he was actually suffering

Sam: 00:45:54

from dysentery in real life.

Sam: 00:45:57

Cause they had all the Spielberg was the only one in Tunisia that didn't get sick

Sam: 00:46:01

because he brought in all his canned food from London and just, so they had this

Sam: 00:46:06

whole fight scene staged and Harrison Ford was so ill, he was like, so they came

Sam: 00:46:12

up with the idea just to just shoot him on the spot and the poor swordsman had

Sam: 00:46:16

been practicing and practicing for weeks.

Sam: 00:46:18

And they're like, yeah, we're just going to shoot you and you

Sam: 00:46:20

just fall down and that's it.

Eli: 00:46:23

That's one of my favorite scenes, by the way.

Eli: 00:46:24

That's one of my.

Eli: 00:46:25

I'm one of my favorites.

Eli: 00:46:26

That's hysterical.

Eli: 00:46:26

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:46:27

What I love about that is it's perfect for Indy's character.

Nathan: 00:46:32

Cause it's not just like cop out, like it's funny.

Nathan: 00:46:35

It's a funny moment, but it actually is just shows his character and that he.

Nathan: 00:46:41

He cheats.

Nathan: 00:46:42

He'll do it.

Nathan: 00:46:43

He cheats when he's fighting the big Nazi at the plane.

Nathan: 00:46:47

He kicks him in the crotch.

Nathan: 00:46:48

He throws dirt in his eyes.

Nathan: 00:46:49

He'll do what it takes to get out of a situation.

Nathan: 00:46:52

He's

Bee: 00:46:52

a scrappy.

Bee: 00:46:54

That's actually why I think he's better for the role than Tom Selleck.

Bee: 00:46:57

Cause Tom Selleck, I think could have done like the suave cool guy bit, probably

Bee: 00:47:01

find the eye but there's moments where Harrison Ford shows like real fear.

Bee: 00:47:06

Like when he sees the snakes at the end, when they're down there,

Bee: 00:47:09

there's a few key pieces that I'm like, that's just Harrison.

Eli: 00:47:13

The way he just lays down there.

Eli: 00:47:14

I'm like, they're snakes.

Eli: 00:47:17

His face is it's

Nathan: 00:47:18

also set up with, in the beginning of the movie where he's running away

Nathan: 00:47:23

from that temple and he jumps into the plane and he's, and there's a snake in

Nathan: 00:47:26

the cockpit and it's just that line, I hate snakes if, what a great piece

Nathan: 00:47:31

of screenwriting to have that moment.

Nathan: 00:47:33

And then.

Nathan: 00:47:33

Set that up.

Nathan: 00:47:34

There is

Bee: 00:47:36

nothing in the beginning of the story.

Bee: 00:47:38

That's not used later from the drinking with Miriam to how you find out how

Bee: 00:47:44

they got the medallion schematics.

Bee: 00:47:46

Like it's so smart.

Bee: 00:47:48

It

Nathan: 00:47:48

is.

Nathan: 00:47:49

I'd like to just go through a few beat by beat, not too much.

Nathan: 00:47:52

Cause we're already 50 minutes into this episode, but some of the.

Nathan: 00:47:55

Some of the big parts of this the beginning of this movie, we have to talk

Nathan: 00:47:59

about the introduction of Indy because I think the first 8 10 minutes of this movie

Nathan: 00:48:04

are pretty, the whole movie is perfect, but the first 8 10 minutes are maybe the

Nathan: 00:48:08

most iconic in movie history, where you know, everything he, Indy's in shadows.

Nathan: 00:48:14

His entrance, the way he's revealed is, I want to be revealed that way,

Nathan: 00:48:20

just walking out of the shadows.

Nathan: 00:48:21

I don't remember characters revealed this way before this.

Bee: 00:48:25

The score too I don't know, you guys have seen this movie so many times.

Bee: 00:48:29

So you, I don't know if you would still have this thought, but when Indy was

Bee: 00:48:33

revealed, I think I sent a message.

Bee: 00:48:34

I was like, wait, Is he not a good guy?

Bee: 00:48:36

Are we on his side, but he's the bad guy?

Bee: 00:48:39

Because the music and the shadows set him up to be an antagonist.

Bee: 00:48:42

Shadows

Nathan: 00:48:43

precede characters throughout this entire movie.

Nathan: 00:48:45

It's something that's used all the time.

Nathan: 00:48:47

I love the way that Spielberg is, Yeah.

Nathan: 00:48:52

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:48:54

One day.

Nathan: 00:48:58

That's the way people walk into the scenes.

Nathan: 00:49:07

They crouch into the frame.

Nathan: 00:49:08

I love the way we are introduced to Bellock.

Nathan: 00:49:10

I want to talk about belloc with you guys.

Nathan: 00:49:13

I think Bella, I want to talk about, yeah.

Nathan: 00:49:15

Bellock, I think is one of He's my favorite villain in this whole franchise.

Nathan: 00:49:20

When I like how we're dropped into mid adventure and I think it's a great

Nathan: 00:49:26

list and Indy runs away and you hear like the echoes of Bella laughing.

Nathan: 00:49:32

It's almost like it's within his head signifying this is a rivalry that

Nathan: 00:49:36

has been going on for a long time.

Nathan: 00:49:38

It's just a brilliant piece of sound editing and storytelling.

Nathan: 00:49:42

And I think it's a brilliant piece of sound editing and storytelling.

Nathan: 00:49:44

And yeah, so I think this also, this is so

Sam: 00:49:49

Paul Freeman's amazing, but this movie has the most famous fly of all time.

Sam: 00:49:56

And the fly lands on his mouth.

Sam: 00:49:57

He's you're going to give mercenaries a bad name.

Sam: 00:49:59

It's fly.

Nathan: 00:50:02

And no, they edited out a few frames to make it look like

Nathan: 00:50:05

he ate the fly, but he really

Nathan: 00:50:07

did not fly.

Nathan: 00:50:09

That's like where that fly go.

Nathan: 00:50:11

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:50:12

And he's then he's shortly he's at, he's back at the university.

Nathan: 00:50:16

Do you love how his entire class is made up of women?

Nathan: 00:50:20

They are clearly not tag

Bee: 00:50:21

yourself.

Bee: 00:50:22

I'm the girl with the love you on her eyelids.

Sam: 00:50:25

That love you moment was the first assistant director's idea on the set.

Sam: 00:50:32

And they've made that up as an improvisation and it's it's

Nathan: 00:50:34

so cool.

Nathan: 00:50:35

Oh my goodness.

Nathan: 00:50:37

Clearly not there for the academics.

Nathan: 00:50:38

So this is why David Tomlin,

Sam: 00:50:40

epic AD, sorry, David Tomlin, masterful like AD, just like genius.

Eli: 00:50:45

I would have totally signed up for that class and I would

Eli: 00:50:47

have been Yeah, 100 percent Ellie.

Nathan: 00:50:49

It's so funny because, it's hysterical because obviously

Nathan: 00:50:52

he's teaching a subject which is inherently a, pretty stodgy topic.

Nathan: 00:50:56

And frankly, Andy, I get the sense that he's not a great College

Nathan: 00:51:01

professor, he's not infusing his lessons with energy and emotion.

Nathan: 00:51:05

He doesn't want to be there.

Nathan: 00:51:06

He'd rather be out on an adventure.

Nathan: 00:51:08

It's real higher support energy.

Nathan: 00:51:09

It leads me to, I want to ask you guys a question though.

Nathan: 00:51:12

What do you think is Indy's motivation?

Nathan: 00:51:16

Because this actually I think about this a lot.

Nathan: 00:51:18

Is it, the adventure?

Nathan: 00:51:20

Is it the history?

Nathan: 00:51:21

Is it the ego?

Nathan: 00:51:22

Is it the fame, the money, the fame?

Nathan: 00:51:23

Thrill.

Nathan: 00:51:24

What is it that really gets him out there to do these adventures?

Nathan: 00:51:28

Because I think it's, I think it's there's a lot of different answers to this.

Bee: 00:51:32

I think he's like a mountain climber.

Bee: 00:51:34

Like I think he wants to be the first to get there.

Bee: 00:51:37

Like I think he's edmund Hiller.

Bee: 00:51:39

He's I got to be the one to get this.

Sam: 00:51:42

I definitely see that.

Sam: 00:51:43

I also feel like he's he, even though he's not a great teacher, he does

Sam: 00:51:46

have like academia in his heart.

Sam: 00:51:48

And so I feel like he really is interested culturally in the actual artifact.

Sam: 00:51:55

And so there's like an honorable.

Sam: 00:51:57

nobility, but there is also that kind of like playboy grave robber aspect

Sam: 00:52:02

but Harrison Ford plays it as if he really cares, like he has to find

Sam: 00:52:07

the artifact because if he doesn't find it, it's going to be left to

Sam: 00:52:11

dust or mistreated or something.

Eli: 00:52:13

Yeah.

Eli: 00:52:14

Yeah.

Eli: 00:52:14

I think for me, I think it's also, I truly believe he's one of those men

Eli: 00:52:19

who, and I feel it because of the last picture that we saw last year.

Eli: 00:52:26

Where, and I know that he's got this romance with this girl, but I think

Eli: 00:52:32

that he's not someone you can tame.

Eli: 00:52:36

He's not someone that as a girlfriend, don't expect Indiana to be with you

Eli: 00:52:43

because you're going to be disappointed.

Eli: 00:52:44

He's going to go and do his thing, regardless of whether, what in my book is

Eli: 00:52:50

like, is Indiana going to pick the girl?

Eli: 00:52:52

Is he going to pick the adventure?

Eli: 00:52:54

He's definitely going to pick the adventure of the

Nathan: 00:52:56

girl.

Nathan: 00:52:56

I can't, we're going to get to B, you're not there yet, but when

Nathan: 00:53:00

we get to the third movie, this theme comes back and I can't wait.

Eli: 00:53:04

Yeah.

Eli: 00:53:05

And I think that he's a daredevil.

Eli: 00:53:07

And when you're a daredevil is where I had to keep you.

Eli: 00:53:09

Poe in one place it does.

Eli: 00:53:12

I feel like Indiana Jones, like my dad has always been a daredevil.

Eli: 00:53:15

He likes adventures.

Eli: 00:53:16

He goes he's always been out there.

Eli: 00:53:18

I can't do whatever.

Eli: 00:53:20

I'm jumping off big cliffs into the ocean when he was young.

Eli: 00:53:24

He's still a daredevil even at he's 83 years old.

Eli: 00:53:27

You can't, he goes walking for four miles, three times a week, so it's He is the

Eli: 00:53:31

Indiana Jones that I know and I love.

Eli: 00:53:34

And so to me, when I think of Indiana Jones, I think of my dad, because

Eli: 00:53:37

it's like, when you're a daredevil, it's really hard to keep you down.

Eli: 00:53:43

You're going to want to go for an adventure.

Eli: 00:53:45

But at the same time, there's two elements.

Eli: 00:53:47

I think he's, A daredevil who loves adventure.

Eli: 00:53:50

And the other element is that he is an archeologist and right.

Eli: 00:53:56

He's an archeologist, right?

Eli: 00:53:57

He likes to, and as an

Nathan: 00:53:59

archeologist,

Eli: 00:54:01

I think he's, he does care.

Eli: 00:54:05

He wants to know the history of.

Eli: 00:54:08

artifacts or where they come from.

Eli: 00:54:10

And that's important to him as well as being a daredevil in the adventure.

Eli: 00:54:14

Yeah.

Bee: 00:54:15

I think that's why Miriam was the right match for this movie.

Bee: 00:54:20

Like her being such a strong character, like her introduction, she's just

Bee: 00:54:25

like kicking people's ass at drinking.

Bee: 00:54:27

She's stuck in Nepal.

Bee: 00:54:28

She's figured it out.

Bee: 00:54:29

She's running the bar.

Bee: 00:54:30

She's badass.

Bee: 00:54:31

Okay.

Bee: 00:54:31

She, yeah, I think she was just a great fit.

Bee: 00:54:34

I also think it tells us more about Indy at the end, where he suddenly she's

Bee: 00:54:38

playing the mommy role for him, right?

Bee: 00:54:40

He's just totally coddled up in bed and he's just ugh, he can do what he

Bee: 00:54:45

is great at, but all the other stuff, I think he might need a little help.

Bee: 00:54:48

Yeah.

Bee: 00:54:48

Yeah.

Sam: 00:54:49

I love it when she flips the mirror on his chin.

Sam: 00:54:51

Yes!

Sam: 00:54:52

Oh That was so funny.

Sam: 00:54:56

Let's

Nathan: 00:54:57

go back for one moment though.

Nathan: 00:54:59

When Indy and Miriam are reunited for the when we see them both together

Nathan: 00:55:03

for the first time, what do you think about their relationship?

Nathan: 00:55:10

There are, there, there are some, Chatter, about their history.

Nathan: 00:55:15

If there was possibly that this was the inappropriate relationship.

Nathan: 00:55:20

And I didn't know if you guys have a take on this because it's mentioned, and

Nathan: 00:55:23

I've never really thought too much about it until this some research afterwards.

Nathan: 00:55:28

Indy has been gone for 10 years now.

Nathan: 00:55:30

And the year is like 37, 38 when this movie was made.

Nathan: 00:55:34

But it's alluded to that maybe he was probably in his mid 20s.

Nathan: 00:55:38

She was,

Nathan: 00:55:39

and she was probably like 15.

Nathan: 00:55:41

So it's not really, they don't make much of it in this movie, but there's a good

Nathan: 00:55:45

possibility that he was sleeping with a former student that was like 15 years old.

Sam: 00:55:51

Now, it is possible.

Sam: 00:55:52

And it's like when he sees Marion in, in.

Sam: 00:55:55

Nepal, and that's when it's implied with that dialogue.

Sam: 00:55:57

And he's like, where's Abner?

Sam: 00:55:58

Abner's dead.

Sam: 00:56:00

There's a history there.

Nathan: 00:56:01

She says I was in love.

Nathan: 00:56:02

I was a child.

Nathan: 00:56:03

And he says you knew what you were doing.

Nathan: 00:56:05

You knew what you were doing.

Nathan: 00:56:06

He's an ass in the scene.

Nathan: 00:56:08

Yes, he is.

Nathan: 00:56:09

Yep.

Nathan: 00:56:10

He's just there.

Nathan: 00:56:11

He's not sensitive.

Nathan: 00:56:11

He just wants to be dying.

Nathan: 00:56:12

Here's three thousand dollars.

Nathan: 00:56:13

Just give it to me.

Nathan: 00:56:14

I'm out of here.

Nathan: 00:56:15

I also

Bee: 00:56:16

felt that way though, like when Miriam was tied up and he leaves her

Bee: 00:56:18

tied up from her when we find out she's not dead, which I was surprised

Bee: 00:56:22

by, although usually I would not be pleasantly surprised by that because I

Bee: 00:56:27

think it lowers the stakes if you find out someone's not actually killed off, but

Bee: 00:56:31

I think It works here, but from Miriam's perspective, both of these asshole men

Bee: 00:56:37

are using her to get the idol and or to get the arc and leaving her to suffer.

Bee: 00:56:43

She has no real reason to have allegiance to one over the other at all.

Bee: 00:56:48

No, they are.

Bee: 00:56:48

And

Sam: 00:56:49

I don't mean to be an asshole either, but it's it's Marion.

Sam: 00:56:51

Sorry.

Sam: 00:56:52

Oh, sorry.

Sam: 00:56:53

I apologize.

Sam: 00:56:54

I'm so sorry.

Sam: 00:56:55

I don't want to be that

Bee: 00:56:56

guy, but yeah, forgive

Sam: 00:56:58

me.

Sam: 00:56:58

Yeah.

Sam: 00:56:58

Yeah.

Bee: 00:56:59

Yeah.

Bee: 00:56:59

That's just, I don't think the movie paints him as a

Bee: 00:57:04

super good guy all the time.

Bee: 00:57:06

I don't think he has to be,

Nathan: 00:57:08

He's, really, he's a flawed guy, which is really why there

Nathan: 00:57:12

is this undercurrent of this.

Nathan: 00:57:15

Indy versus Belok comparison, like who is, obviously Indy is our hero.

Nathan: 00:57:20

He's the good guy, but Belok, he, there's a great scene in Cairo

Nathan: 00:57:25

where we already, we believe that Marion's dead in there at this bar.

Nathan: 00:57:28

And I love the way it's shot.

Nathan: 00:57:30

Number one, where Belok's in focus and Indy's focus.

Nathan: 00:57:34

And he's really saying that, we're really not much, Different.

Nathan: 00:57:38

There really is a lot of truth to that.

Nathan: 00:57:39

There wouldn't be that much that would tip the scales for Indy to be doing

Nathan: 00:57:44

the same thing that Balak is doing.

Nathan: 00:57:45

I think it's very true.

Nathan: 00:57:46

And Indy doesn't like it.

Nathan: 00:57:47

And you can see him grimacing and really angry because he

Nathan: 00:57:50

knows He's probably right.

Nathan: 00:57:52

And I really love the Bella character because of this and not just, obviously

Nathan: 00:57:57

I'm not spoiling much here, but the one thing that kind of is, bums me out

Nathan: 00:58:01

about this movie with Bella, cause I think Bella is an incredible character.

Nathan: 00:58:06

This would be, I'm sad that Bella dies in the end, even though he

Nathan: 00:58:09

probably gets his come up and yeah.

Nathan: 00:58:13

If Bella somehow survived this movie, what.

Nathan: 00:58:17

An amazing opportunity would have been for Belloc to be a reoccurring

Nathan: 00:58:21

character in this franchise where he probably could have come

Nathan: 00:58:24

around and had a redemption moment

Nathan: 00:58:28

later

Nathan: 00:58:28

on, maybe in the second or third movie or later on, and could

Nathan: 00:58:31

have been somebody could have become an ally because it wouldn't take

Nathan: 00:58:33

much for Belloc to become a good guy.

Nathan: 00:58:36

And I would have loved to have seen it would have been really interesting

Nathan: 00:58:39

to see where Belloc's character could have gone if he survived because I

Nathan: 00:58:43

don't know if he really deserved to die because it's the moments like where

Nathan: 00:58:47

Bell, where you see Marion thrown into the well of souls in a little bit.

Nathan: 00:58:51

I mean it really pains Belloc He did not want that to happen.

Nathan: 00:58:54

He did not want Marion to die, even though he probably had some Pure thoughts about

Nathan: 00:58:58

what he would've probably done with her.

Nathan: 00:59:01

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:59:01

But at the same time he couldn't rescue her 'cause he'd be dead too, but I think

Nathan: 00:59:06

he's a great character that I wish could have, we could have seen in more movies.

Nathan: 00:59:13

Anyways,

Sam: 00:59:13

He is a good, and he really is a good character.

Sam: 00:59:15

And that, that's a really good point.

Sam: 00:59:16

I the difficult and he's, he is ind these like equal in terms of skill and talent.

Sam: 00:59:23

It's just, it's because, because he

Nathan: 00:59:25

is working for the wrong people, he's working and of

Sam: 00:59:28

all the wrong people to work for, he's working for the wrong people.

Sam: 00:59:32

But

Nathan: 00:59:33

I feel, but this is one of those cases where it's I hate him because

Nathan: 00:59:37

obviously he's working for the Nazis, but it's Here's a guy that just, he got

Nathan: 00:59:40

in over his head, and maybe in 1934, 1935, he didn't really know how bad the

Nathan: 00:59:45

Nazis were, and maybe a lot of people didn't back then, he was naive, he was

Nathan: 00:59:50

an ambitious person, and just oh, they were going to pay me a lot of money to

Nathan: 00:59:53

do this is not an uncommon story with a lot of people, and, He turned the other

Nathan: 00:59:58

cheek when Oh, I don't really believe that they're doing these harmful things.

Nathan: 01:00:02

I'm not giving him a pass, but I, there was, this was not an uncommon

Nathan: 01:00:06

thing for people to do in that time.

Nathan: 01:00:09

And they didn't really maybe believe what the horrible things Nazis were doing then.

Nathan: 01:00:13

And they were stupid to not believe it, but this was.

Nathan: 01:00:16

Not uncommon.

Sam: 01:00:18

You mentioned, because of the fact that he did die,

Sam: 01:00:20

I'd actually forgotten this.

Sam: 01:00:22

But apparently when he, everyone else's faces melts, but he's holding on to

Sam: 01:00:27

his head and his head just explodes.

Sam: 01:00:29

They actually went and superimposed fire over the his head exploding because the

Sam: 01:00:36

movie they said would have gotten an R rating had they not have like they so

Sam: 01:00:41

the reason he's like he's behind a wall of fire as they were trying to tone

Sam: 01:00:45

down the violence of that a little bit.

Bee: 01:00:47

It's pretty shocking.

Bee: 01:00:48

I love the explosion.

Sam: 01:00:49

I liked it when the guy goes, Oh, and his face just like the

Sam: 01:00:54

assistant Nazi whose face like, yeah, just turns into a skull.

Sam: 01:00:58

Yeah.

Eli: 01:00:58

We also know what happened to that big dude in the airplane, right?

Eli: 01:01:02

Cause they don't show it, but yeah,

Bee: 01:01:05

he got, yeah.

Bee: 01:01:06

I liked how they did that too, with just the blood splatter though.

Bee: 01:01:09

You're like, Ooh, yeah, I heard that.

Bee: 01:01:11

I do that this was made in a simpler time where we just like ubiquitously,

Bee: 01:01:15

we're like, yeah, Nazis were bad.

Bee: 01:01:17

Yep.

Nathan: 01:01:19

Couple other scenes I want to mention here.

Nathan: 01:01:21

We talked about the map room, great moment.

Nathan: 01:01:23

How did Indy get out of the map room?

Nathan: 01:01:26

Someone tell me.

Sam: 01:01:28

Oh, okay.

Sam: 01:01:30

Hold on.

Sam: 01:01:31

So here's the thing.

Sam: 01:01:33

John R.

Sam: 01:01:33

Davis is , and then he drops the thing.

Sam: 01:01:35

He drops the rope.

Sam: 01:01:37

And there's the Nazi flag.

Sam: 01:01:39

And then Harrison is Sola.

Sam: 01:01:41

And wait a minute.

Sam: 01:01:42

Wait.

Nathan: 01:01:42

No.

Nathan: 01:01:43

'cause what, how is he gets so gets approached by two Nazi.

Nathan: 01:01:47

Yes.

Nathan: 01:01:47

But I think he Nazis

Bee: 01:01:48

escapes and goes into a med tent or something and gets

Bee: 01:01:52

bedsheets and ties 'em all together.

Bee: 01:01:53

My impression was that he like.

Bee: 01:01:55

Escape that and got all these sheets and tied them all together for him.

Nathan: 01:01:58

It's, that's right.

Nathan: 01:01:59

The one is one of the few moments in this movie where I was really confused with

Nathan: 01:02:02

the storytelling is I saw the sheets come down with a Nazi flag at that moment.

Nathan: 01:02:07

I thought it was Nazis that were helped that were getting him out or something.

Nathan: 01:02:11

I don't know.

Nathan: 01:02:11

It was a Little, it was a little confused,

Bee: 01:02:13

but imagine my love of seeing Sala with my whole Lord

Bee: 01:02:17

of the Rings crossover happening.

Bee: 01:02:18

It was incredible.

Bee: 01:02:20

I

Nathan: 01:02:20

love John Rhys Davis.

Nathan: 01:02:21

He's so good.

Nathan: 01:02:22

I want, I wanted to, download, get his album of him just bellowing out,

Nathan: 01:02:25

tunes, he's got such a great voice.

Nathan: 01:02:28

He tells there's someone on

Sam: 01:02:29

YouTube where John Rhys Davis and it's so embarrassing, but like when

Sam: 01:02:32

everyone was sick in Tunisia in the most diplomatic way, he was like, and then.

Sam: 01:02:37

I did a take for Steven and I don't know the word he uses, but he basically

Sam: 01:02:42

was so ill that during the take, he like, he essentially went to the

Sam: 01:02:46

bathroom in his pants, but the way John Rives Rives Davis described it, I was

Sam: 01:02:51

just like, Oh man, I feel it for you.

Sam: 01:02:52

That Tunisia shoot.

Sam: 01:02:54

I think for all of them.

Sam: 01:02:55

Yeah.

Sam: 01:02:55

Sounds brutal.

Sam: 01:02:56

Rough.

Sam: 01:02:57

Yeah.

Sam: 01:02:57

Oh

Nathan: 01:02:57

yeah.

Nathan: 01:02:58

I, I have the, I have the, a Blu ray and there's a lot of really great

Nathan: 01:03:02

behind the scenes stuff on that.

Nathan: 01:03:04

135 degrees in the sun, 120 in the shade watching these people make a movie.

Nathan: 01:03:09

All the guys are just like, they're just stripped down to like the short shorts.

Nathan: 01:03:13

And there's a movie like, it's quite a sight.

Nathan: 01:03:16

The

Bee: 01:03:16

eight, if you go back and watch.

Bee: 01:03:18

A good amount of 80s action, though.

Bee: 01:03:19

It does just seem like a sweaty time, there was just a lot of sweaty era.

Sam: 01:03:28

This is the cheesiest thing to think of.

Sam: 01:03:30

And it's so random and I'll just drop it in.

Sam: 01:03:31

But so Harrison Ford is in empire strikes back, obviously with

Sam: 01:03:36

Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill, and they're not all on the same stardom

Sam: 01:03:39

level, but like in between this.

Sam: 01:03:41

And Return of the Jedi, Harrison goes and he shoots Raiders and

Sam: 01:03:45

then he comes back for Return of the Jedi in the summer of 82.

Sam: 01:03:48

And I just wonder what the dynamic of those three actors was like, where

Sam: 01:03:52

they're like, how was your summer?

Sam: 01:03:53

Because he, he literally like between Empire and Return of

Sam: 01:03:56

the Jedi, like Harrison Ford.

Sam: 01:03:58

Shot up to bigger,

Nathan: 01:04:01

Which wasn't a big hit, but

Sam: 01:04:02

yeah, exactly.

Sam: 01:04:03

Yeah,

Nathan: 01:04:05

that's your good friend.

Nathan: 01:04:06

B's second a few other things.

Nathan: 01:04:07

The souls, we got to just talk about the well of souls for a moment here.

Nathan: 01:04:11

Love the way this begins when it's cracked open.

Nathan: 01:04:14

It like roars to life.

Nathan: 01:04:15

They like broke a seal.

Nathan: 01:04:17

But it's problematic because it's not really a sealed off

Nathan: 01:04:20

space, as we learn off later on.

Sam: 01:04:24

Exactly.

Sam: 01:04:25

They show that it's on like a hill, so they could have just gone to the

Sam: 01:04:28

side and found one of those bricks.

Sam: 01:04:30

A little deus ex

Bee: 01:04:32

machina kind of thing.

Bee: 01:04:34

That's all

Nathan: 01:04:34

right.

Nathan: 01:04:34

Conveniently 7, 000 snakes are in there.

Nathan: 01:04:37

What are they eating?

Nathan: 01:04:38

What are they living off of?

Nathan: 01:04:40

So don't worry about that, 7, 000 snakes just down there.

Sam: 01:04:42

There were not enough snakes at first and Spielberg demanded that

Sam: 01:04:46

they get like 2000 more and they had a, like a doctor on the set.

Sam: 01:04:49

And I just love the scene where they're all digging at night or

Sam: 01:04:52

where it's that sunset so where they're like, Oh, I love the, Hey,

Nathan: 01:04:59

yeah, it's Leonie and it's

Sam: 01:05:02

just, it feels there's something about the desert sequence.

Sam: 01:05:05

The desert midsection of that movie where it goes beyond just

Sam: 01:05:10

like fun, serialized adventure.

Sam: 01:05:12

It gets into epic territory, like David Lean.

Sam: 01:05:17

There's, it's just, there's a grandiosity to Raiders.

Nathan: 01:05:21

Yeah, I met David Lean.

Nathan: 01:05:22

Yeah.

Bee: 01:05:23

I think it has the opportunity to really see because it's been

Bee: 01:05:28

so episodic up until then and it doesn't which is impressive because

Bee: 01:05:33

it really does the story really does just plant itself really suddenly.

Bee: 01:05:38

For me, some of the best visuals was the thunderstorm building behind them.

Bee: 01:05:42

I love that.

Bee: 01:05:43

Really could and it looks surreal.

Bee: 01:05:46

I maybe for the time it was a more realistic effect, but Now looking at

Bee: 01:05:50

it, it looks surreal and incredible.

Sam: 01:05:52

No and Ella, you talk about like people's faces and reaction when John

Sam: 01:05:56

Rhys Davis is looking into the pit and the lightning like lights up that big,

Sam: 01:06:00

like dragon face and John Rhys Davis is I

Eli: 01:06:06

really love the comedy in this movie.

Eli: 01:06:08

It's just at some point, we know that having comedic timing is hard.

Eli: 01:06:13

For actors, but these actors just, they were great.

Eli: 01:06:16

They were just funny.

Eli: 01:06:18

Just the faces.

Eli: 01:06:19

And I got, it's like overdramatic and got away with it,

Sam: 01:06:24

For some reason.

Sam: 01:06:25

And this is like the dark side of my humor, but I love that moment when they

Sam: 01:06:29

open the arc and, Paul Freeman reaches in and it's just sand and the Nazi bad

Sam: 01:06:36

guy with the glasses to the left of him is just he's we wasted all this time.

Sam: 01:06:39

We opened this and there's nothing in there.

Sam: 01:06:40

That really amuses me for some reason.

Nathan: 01:06:42

Comedy is.

Nathan: 01:06:44

It's so important in this movie because otherwise it would, it

Nathan: 01:06:47

could be a very dull adventure.

Nathan: 01:06:50

There's so many comedic moments like chasing the basket, the

Nathan: 01:06:53

samurai, all these moments.

Nathan: 01:06:55

And Ellie, you mentioned the expression on the faces.

Nathan: 01:06:58

What I love is that, these expressions it's never like over the top.

Nathan: 01:07:03

It's never like hammy or slapstick.

Nathan: 01:07:05

It's something true about the reactions to these things.

Nathan: 01:07:10

And that's what I think is really special about this movie.

Eli: 01:07:13

And I think that, you can't teach that these actors

Eli: 01:07:16

have to do it on their own.

Eli: 01:07:17

They had to be in that moment.

Eli: 01:07:19

And I don't think Steven was like, Oh, you gotta make your face this way.

Eli: 01:07:23

No.

Eli: 01:07:23

I see that it comes or it doesn't, so I feel like these actors.

Eli: 01:07:27

extras that were in this film that did that, and it's just Molina.

Eli: 01:07:32

It's Molina right at the very beginning.

Eli: 01:07:34

And I have to

Eli: 01:07:35

give a

Sam: 01:07:37

quick shout out to two random deaths.

Sam: 01:07:40

One is the guy that falls off the scaffolding when the, during the truck

Sam: 01:07:44

chase, and he looks through the window and he's And then when the Nazi bad

Sam: 01:07:47

guy falls off the truck off the front of it and then gets run over by it.

Sam: 01:07:51

And you just see him go

Eli: 01:07:52

up in the air and he's that is so funny.

Nathan: 01:07:58

I think it was just a stunt man.

Nathan: 01:08:00

That guy, if I was reading, I think it

Sam: 01:08:02

was Glenn Randall, I think it was no, Glenn Randall, the stunt guy,

Sam: 01:08:08

not an actor, but he was the stunt.

Sam: 01:08:09

He was the stunt guy dressed.

Sam: 01:08:11

He was the guy driving the truck.

Sam: 01:08:13

He was the guy that

Nathan: 01:08:16

was, yeah,

Eli: 01:08:17

he was great.

Eli: 01:08:18

He gets a moment for a moment.

Eli: 01:08:20

He gets that, that camera moment where he actually defeats the hero of the film.

Eli: 01:08:24

And he's he's driving a truck and you're like, No, wait, what?

Sam: 01:08:29

Harrison Ford is so expressive because he's he's driving the truck

Sam: 01:08:33

and he's like, when he knocks people off the truck, he's like laughing.

Sam: 01:08:37

Or when he looks in the rear view mirror and all the Nazis

Sam: 01:08:39

are coming up and he's he's not

Eli: 01:08:40

a very good fighter, though.

Eli: 01:08:41

I have to say, Indiana is not a good fighter.

Eli: 01:08:44

He tries.

Eli: 01:08:45

But he does not, when he throws punches, he just aimlessly,

Eli: 01:08:49

like he just throws them.

Eli: 01:08:51

He doesn't even hit the person.

Eli: 01:08:52

He's a great adventurer and finding things, but not a fighter.

Nathan: 01:08:57

That would make some great, cause he uses whatever means he has.

Nathan: 01:09:02

He's got a gun.

Nathan: 01:09:03

He's got a bullwhip.

Nathan: 01:09:04

He uses whatever, the elements to his advantage.

Nathan: 01:09:08

And he's an

Bee: 01:09:09

academic, right?

Bee: 01:09:10

Like he's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:11

Yeah.

Bee: 01:09:11

He's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:12

He's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:13

He's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:14

He's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:15

He's not a soldier.

Bee: 01:09:16

He's a nerd.

Bee: 01:09:17

And he's yeah.

Bee: 01:09:19

But

Eli: 01:09:19

maybe he's being the nerd that he is what gets him

Eli: 01:09:22

out of the situations, right?

Eli: 01:09:24

Not his muscles.

Eli: 01:09:25

Not the fact that he knows how to fight.

Eli: 01:09:27

It's his brain.

Bee: 01:09:28

Yeah.

Bee: 01:09:29

Have you ever seen the animated movie Atlantis?

Bee: 01:09:32

The Lost Empire?

Bee: 01:09:34

Yes, but it's been a while.

Bee: 01:09:36

Okay, I would encourage folks to go back and watch it.

Bee: 01:09:39

Milo Thatcher played by Michael, or voiced by Michael J.

Bee: 01:09:42

Fox.

Bee: 01:09:43

Is totally, this is totally Indiana Jones.

Bee: 01:09:45

If you were a little more academic going back and watching that, I was

Bee: 01:09:49

like, Oh, this is, I get it now.

Bee: 01:09:51

I see.

Bee: 01:09:51

Okay, cool.

Nathan: 01:09:53

Interesting.

Nathan: 01:09:55

Few other, I don't have that much more here.

Nathan: 01:09:57

Cause we actually talked a lot about the ending already, but I, this is one really.

Nathan: 01:10:01

Funny, small thing.

Nathan: 01:10:02

I never noticed until this viewing when they're leaving,

Nathan: 01:10:06

when they're leaving Cairo and the ark's been put onto the boat.

Nathan: 01:10:10

There's a really cute, but funny moment where Marion is saying goodbye to Sala.

Nathan: 01:10:15

And I really love this.

Nathan: 01:10:17

And she says this is one for your wife.

Nathan: 01:10:18

I forget her name.

Nathan: 01:10:19

She says her name.

Nathan: 01:10:20

I think it's his wife.

Nathan: 01:10:21

I'm assuming one, this is for your children.

Nathan: 01:10:24

And this one is for him.

Nathan: 01:10:26

And he kisses him on his lips whistles.

Nathan: 01:10:30

And all I could think of was Wayne's will like swing.

Nathan: 01:10:35

At that very moment.

Sam: 01:10:37

I

Nathan: 01:10:44

never noticed that bullhorn going off at that exact

Nathan: 01:10:53

moment where she kisses him.

Nathan: 01:10:55

But I

Sam: 01:10:56

do love that moment, the captain on that boat where they're

Sam: 01:10:58

all looking for Indiana Jones.

Sam: 01:11:00

They're not sure if he's got on the submarine and he's I see him there.

Sam: 01:11:04

And then the John Williams score and he's done today.

Sam: 01:11:06

And he like, Indiana Jones,

Sam: 01:11:09

you're just like, yeah,

Nathan: 01:11:13

I never noted, knew that there was deleted footage until this week.

Nathan: 01:11:18

Cause there was always a pothole in this movie.

Nathan: 01:11:20

Like how did Indy Get to the island when he swims to the submarine because the

Nathan: 01:11:26

submarine is submerging and you don't just hijack a submarine after it's submerging.

Nathan: 01:11:32

There actually is shot footage of him hanging on to the periscope.

Nathan: 01:11:39

Going, through the ocean the whole time.

Nathan: 01:11:41

That's how he got to the island.

Nathan: 01:11:43

This footage exists.

Nathan: 01:11:45

The

Sam: 01:11:46

footage exists and I think Spielberg cut it out.

Sam: 01:11:49

Cause he said, he thought it looked really cheesy.

Sam: 01:11:51

And there was a line where Spielberg said, we know that it wasn't explained

Sam: 01:11:56

how he survived being on the subway.

Sam: 01:11:58

And he was like, he, Spielberg literally said something like,

Sam: 01:12:01

but Indiana Jones is so clever.

Sam: 01:12:03

We just left it up to the audience to make that footage.

Sam: 01:12:06

And the footage looks.

Sam: 01:12:07

It looks like he's in five feet of water holding on to a pole.

Sam: 01:12:11

It looks like something out of a National Lampoon movie.

Sam: 01:12:14

Like it looks But it almost,

Eli: 01:12:16

we don't have to know because we know that Indiana Jones is going to figure

Eli: 01:12:19

out a way to get out of any situation.

Eli: 01:12:22

So we didn't have to know how he made it through the submarine.

Eli: 01:12:26

He, Spielberg has trained us to see Indiana Jones in a way that

Eli: 01:12:31

he doesn't have to show us all the footage because guess what?

Eli: 01:12:35

It's Indiana Jones.

Eli: 01:12:36

He's figure it out.

Eli: 01:12:37

So, trying to become part of the Nazis when he's trying to

Eli: 01:12:41

Fit that shirt into, the guard's shirt and he doesn't fit into it.

Eli: 01:12:46

It's like the funniest thing.

Eli: 01:12:47

It's I don't fit into it, but

Nathan: 01:12:49

yeah.

Nathan: 01:12:49

And what's actually even funnier is that his, he's trying to like,

Nathan: 01:12:53

he's like brushing his hair.

Nathan: 01:12:54

He's like trying to communicate with the Nazi guy and he's just I give up.

Nathan: 01:12:57

And I just punched him.

Nathan: 01:12:58

That's actually like a.

Nathan: 01:12:59

It was like a Han Solo move.

Nathan: 01:13:01

I feel like it reminds me of the original, the first Star Wars movie

Nathan: 01:13:06

where he's in the containment bay or the prison bay where he's like

Nathan: 01:13:11

talking to somebody on the intercom,

Nathan: 01:13:15

that scene, which is, ah, Screw I'm just going to punch you, so yeah, there's a

Nathan: 01:13:18

little bit of a Han Solo moment in there.

Nathan: 01:13:21

I don't have really anything else because we talked about a lot at the end of this.

Nathan: 01:13:24

Anything you want to mention about the finale here, or should we take a break?

Nathan: 01:13:29

Are we good?

Sam: 01:13:31

It was great.

Sam: 01:13:31

I love the set.

Sam: 01:13:32

I love the set of the finale.

Sam: 01:13:34

I love that island.

Sam: 01:13:37

And that moment after the arc.

Sam: 01:13:39

Like top piece lands and it's just the two of them there and quiet looking at it.

Sam: 01:13:43

I've that, that got into my dreams and stuff like that.

Sam: 01:13:47

I mean that there's something really mystical is like a cheesy word, but

Sam: 01:13:52

I get a feeling when they're the only two people left alive and everyone's

Sam: 01:13:55

gone, it's just the two of them there.

Sam: 01:13:57

It's Oh, they were spared by the universe,

Bee: 01:14:00

yeah.

Bee: 01:14:00

And that final scene of, I think the credits start rolling

Bee: 01:14:03

when it's the warehouse.

Bee: 01:14:05

And it's being packed away.

Bee: 01:14:07

I literally I felt like I had such conflicted emotions.

Bee: 01:14:10

My heart sank.

Bee: 01:14:11

I was like, this is.

Bee: 01:14:12

It's such a kind of dour, stark ending to this movie.

Nathan: 01:14:18

Reminded me of an homage to like Citizen Kane a little bit.

Nathan: 01:14:20

I felt yeah.

Nathan: 01:14:21

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:14:21

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:14:22

And ultimately the arc has gone from one tomb to another.

Nathan: 01:14:27

To another.

Nathan: 01:14:27

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:14:28

Yeah.

Eli: 01:14:28

Yeah.

Eli: 01:14:29

And I also, there's a part when they're like tied up to the whole

Eli: 01:14:32

thing is happening at the very end.

Eli: 01:14:33

And when he tells her like, close your eyes.

Eli: 01:14:35

Close your eyes.

Eli: 01:14:37

It reminds me of part of the story in the Bible where I forget the name of whatever

Eli: 01:14:42

it is, but if you turn back, you turn, if you look back, you turn into stone

Eli: 01:14:47

that story in the Bible, but it tells you like, don't look back if you do.

Eli: 01:14:51

I think it.

Eli: 01:14:52

With the pillar assault.

Eli: 01:14:54

Is that something like that?

Eli: 01:14:55

If you look back, you, so don't look back or close your eyes

Eli: 01:14:59

and then you won't turn into

Nathan: 01:15:00

stone.

Nathan: 01:15:01

What movie did we just watch where I feel like there was a story about, if you look

Nathan: 01:15:04

back, that person disappears or, oh, yeah,

Sam: 01:15:08

wait there's the Greek mythology of he's, someone's

Sam: 01:15:11

leaving the underworld and their

Nathan: 01:15:12

portrait of the lady of fire.

Bee: 01:15:13

Oh yes.

Bee: 01:15:14

Yes.

Bee: 01:15:14

Yeah.

Bee: 01:15:15

Yeah.

Bee: 01:15:15

Yeah.

Bee: 01:15:15

And it had that myth in it.

Bee: 01:15:16

Yep.

Bee: 01:15:17

Huh.

Bee: 01:15:18

Oh, okay.

Bee: 01:15:19

Epic.

Bee: 01:15:20

Yeah.

Bee: 01:15:21

What is that myth?

Bee: 01:15:22

Why can't I think of the myth right now?

Bee: 01:15:24

Okay.

Bee: 01:15:24

No.

Bee: 01:15:24

We can't do

Nathan: 01:15:24

that.

Nathan: 01:15:26

By the way, but still that, that, that storage warehouse,

Nathan: 01:15:29

what a great map painting.

Sam: 01:15:32

Oh, it looks so good.

Sam: 01:15:32

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:15:34

And by the way, what else do you think is in that warehouse?

Nathan: 01:15:40

Oh, they've got tons of stuff in there.

Nathan: 01:15:41

All kinds of army

Bee: 01:15:42

stuff.

Bee: 01:15:42

It's just like They got aliens in there too, I bet.

Bee: 01:15:45

There's

Nathan: 01:15:45

an alien body in there.

Bee: 01:15:47

Yeah.

Bee: 01:15:48

For sure.

Bee: 01:15:50

All that work in academia, no one's gonna know a lot.

Bee: 01:15:54

Five, nine, whatever it is,

Sam: 01:15:56

I love those bureaucrats who are when like at the beginning and

Sam: 01:16:00

like Harrison is like, didn't you guys ever gone to Sunday school?

Sam: 01:16:04

They're like the arc of the covenant, but but even that scene, Spielberg's

Sam: 01:16:09

framing is so good with just when there's just people saying expository

Sam: 01:16:13

dialogue in a room, the camera angles, the way it's shot still looks great.

Sam: 01:16:16

I'm just like riveted.

Sam: 01:16:17

It's amazing.

Sam: 01:16:18

It's great.

Sam: 01:16:18

I

Eli: 01:16:21

thought at one point where he was like they were trying

Eli: 01:16:24

to find going to that, to where the covenant is to the Ark is.

Eli: 01:16:29

And he stressed like one of the Middle Eastern people that he would

Eli: 01:16:34

have standing on that hill and be like Moses and all the people, all

Eli: 01:16:40

the guys just would have been like.

Eli: 01:16:41

Let's not touch this.

Eli: 01:16:42

Let's leave it alone.

Nathan: 01:16:46

Pen to mammoth's moment.

Nathan: 01:16:47

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:16:48

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:16:50

All right.

Nathan: 01:16:50

Let's take a break and come back with our thoughts on this.

Nathan: 01:16:58

We're going to save this now.

Nathan: 01:16:59

Thanks everyone for joining our transmission.

Nathan: 01:17:02

We truly appreciate you.

Nathan: 01:17:04

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Nathan: 01:17:07

Don't let the theme of our show lead you to believe that you're not

Nathan: 01:17:10

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Nathan: 01:17:14

If you have seen Raiders of the Lost Ark, and I'm assuming you have, otherwise I

Nathan: 01:17:18

don't know where you've been for the last.

Nathan: 01:17:19

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Nathan: 01:17:37

One more thing.

Nathan: 01:17:38

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Nathan: 01:17:43

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Okay.

Nathan: 01:17:53

Let's get to the big decision here.

Nathan: 01:17:56

Whether.

Nathan: 01:17:58

Gee, I don't know.

Nathan: 01:17:58

It's a nail biter.

Nathan: 01:17:59

I know five.

Nathan: 01:18:03

Stars, this might be the first time we've ever done anything like this.

Sam: 01:18:07

I, I, it's never happened before.

Sam: 01:18:08

It's amazing.

Nathan: 01:18:09

Ellie.

Nathan: 01:18:10

This is like the great

Sam: 01:18:11

conjunction and the dark crystal.

Nathan: 01:18:16

Ellie, what say you?

Nathan: 01:18:18

Say yay.

Nathan: 01:18:19

Yes, we should keep this one.

Nathan: 01:18:22

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:18:22

Yes.

Nathan: 01:18:23

And the

Nathan: 01:18:23

vault.

Nathan: 01:18:25

All right.

Nathan: 01:18:26

I will keep this one too.

Nathan: 01:18:28

I say yes, this movie is quite, yeah, it's worth keeping.

Sam: 01:18:33

I'm going to quote John Rhys Davis, and I'm going to go into geek mode.

Sam: 01:18:37

I'm going to be John Rhys Davis from the end of the Fellowship of the Ring.

Sam: 01:18:42

And Gimli what say you?

Sam: 01:18:44

Should we go hunt some orc, and should we put Raiders of the Lost Ark in the vault?

Sam: 01:18:48

Yes!

Sam: 01:18:48

Bye!

Sam: 01:18:50

Bye!

Bee: 01:18:56

This is the easiest yes for me.

Bee: 01:18:57

Yeah.

Bee: 01:18:58

Absolutely.

Bee: 01:18:59

It is saved.

Nathan: 01:19:09

All right.

Nathan: 01:19:11

It is you guys want to play a quick game?

Nathan: 01:19:14

Sure.

Nathan: 01:19:14

Yes.

Nathan: 01:19:15

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:19:17

Shall we play a

Trailer: 01:19:18

game?

Trailer: 01:19:19

Oh.

Trailer: 01:19:20

I think I missed them.

Trailer: 01:19:23

Yeah.

Trailer: 01:19:23

Weird, isn't it?

Trailer: 01:19:25

Love to.

Trailer: 01:19:27

How about Global Thermonuclear What?

Trailer: 01:19:34

Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?

Trailer: 01:19:39

Hi Wally!

Eli: 01:19:47

It's Wally, right?

Eli: 01:19:48

Professor Falcon!

Eli: 01:19:48

It's Professor Falcon!

Eli: 01:19:50

Wait, where is this from?

Eli: 01:19:51

Is this from Wally?

Sam: 01:19:52

This is from War Games, 1983.

Sam: 01:19:54

War Games!

Sam: 01:19:55

War

Eli: 01:19:55

Games yes, War

Sam: 01:19:57

Games.

Sam: 01:19:57

John Badham film.

Nathan: 01:19:59

Yeah, I decided to use that for a bumper for this.

Nathan: 01:20:02

Maybe this will be a recurring theme.

Nathan: 01:20:03

But instead of doing our typical movie pairings this week.

Nathan: 01:20:07

I have a little game here for you guys.

Nathan: 01:20:09

And you guys are familiar with the IMDB 250?

Nathan: 01:20:14

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:20:15

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:15

So this might be a little test for you guys.

Nathan: 01:20:18

So I was recently looking at the IMDB 250.

Nathan: 01:20:21

Of course Raiders of the Lost Ark is in the IMDB 250.

Nathan: 01:20:24

Nobody look at it.

Nathan: 01:20:25

No, no cheating.

Nathan: 01:20:26

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:27

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:28

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:28

How did you know?

Nathan: 01:20:31

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:33

And I, we're going to have a little game.

Nathan: 01:20:34

The three of you are going to play this.

Nathan: 01:20:35

I'm not, I'm going to be the dungeon master here and I'm going to see

Nathan: 01:20:40

how good you guys are guessing what movies are in the IMDb 250.

Nathan: 01:20:44

Oh, cool.

Nathan: 01:20:45

What's in it and what is not in it.

Nathan: 01:20:48

I'm going to lose

Eli: 01:20:48

this game.

Eli: 01:20:49

I already know.

Nathan: 01:20:50

It's okay.

Nathan: 01:20:52

It's okay.

Nathan: 01:20:52

So I have I think about 16 movies that are in it and 60 movies that are not in it.

Nathan: 01:20:59

Interesting.

Nathan: 01:21:00

I'm so glad

Sam: 01:21:01

that we don't have to actually know the number and be

Sam: 01:21:03

like, Oh, that's in 42nd place.

Sam: 01:21:05

I know.

Sam: 01:21:05

I was going to try and

Nathan: 01:21:06

guess what Raiders was at.

Nathan: 01:21:08

Okay.

Nathan: 01:21:08

I think it was, we'll worry about that later, but I

Nathan: 01:21:11

like this game.

Nathan: 01:21:12

And then And then after this, we'll tally it up and

Nathan: 01:21:14

then I'll tell you who wins.

Nathan: 01:21:16

So there we go.

Nathan: 01:21:16

And then people at home can play along too.

Nathan: 01:21:18

And then keep track, keep your score.

Nathan: 01:21:20

So I'm going to do these pretty quick rabbit succession and we'll see how we do.

Nathan: 01:21:24

All right.

Nathan: 01:21:24

So you ready?

Nathan: 01:21:26

Ready.

Nathan: 01:21:27

All right.

Nathan: 01:21:29

Barry Lyndon is Barry Lyndon in the top two 50.

Nathan: 01:21:32

Yes.

Bee: 01:21:35

Yes.

Bee: 01:21:36

Yeah.

Bee: 01:21:37

Elliot, you say this?

Bee: 01:21:39

No, I dunno.

Bee: 01:21:41

I dunno.

Bee: 01:21:43

. Alright.

Bee: 01:21:44

It's Kubrick,

Nathan: 01:21:44

it's boring.

Nathan: 01:21:45

Is Hacksaw Ridge in the top two 50?

Nathan: 01:21:55

Yes.

Nathan: 01:21:58

Sam?

Bee: 01:21:59

No.

Bee: 01:22:00

No.

Bee: 01:22:01

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:04

Is Dr.

Nathan: 01:22:05

Zhivago in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:22:07

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:07

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:08

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:09

Has to

Nathan: 01:22:10

be.

Nathan: 01:22:10

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:11

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:15

Is Mulholland Drive in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:22:18

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:18

No.

Nathan: 01:22:19

Sam says no.

Nathan: 01:22:20

Really?

Nathan: 01:22:21

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:22:21

I would think so.

Nathan: 01:22:23

Ellie says yes.

Bee: 01:22:25

Can I change my answer on Barry Lyndon?

Bee: 01:22:26

Is it too late?

Nathan: 01:22:27

I'll stick with it.

Nathan: 01:22:28

It's fine.

Nathan: 01:22:29

On Mulholland Drive.

Bee: 01:22:31

I know

Nathan: 01:22:33

I said it.

Nathan: 01:22:34

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:34

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:35

So you're saying Barry Lyndon is is a no be

Bee: 01:22:37

is a no.

Nathan: 01:22:40

Titanic is Titanic in the top two 50.

Nathan: 01:22:42

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:43

Yes.

Nathan: 01:22:44

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:22:47

Is children of men in the top two 50.

Eli: 01:22:52

Fuck.

Eli: 01:22:52

I'm going to say,

Eli: 01:22:54

I'm going no on that one.

Eli: 01:22:57

I'm going to say yes.

Nathan: 01:23:00

Yes.

Nathan: 01:23:06

Is Monsters, Inc.

Nathan: 01:23:08

in the top 250?

Bee: 01:23:10

Yes.

Eli: 01:23:15

No.

Sam: 01:23:18

No.

Sam: 01:23:20

This is really hard, actually.

Sam: 01:23:21

It's hard, but I

Eli: 01:23:22

don't think so.

Eli: 01:23:26

I don't even know.

Sam: 01:23:30

I don't know.

Sam: 01:23:31

Fishy shot.

Sam: 01:23:32

Three, two, one.

Sam: 01:23:35

Top 250 films.

Sam: 01:23:36

Yes.

Sam: 01:23:37

Yes.

Sam: 01:23:38

Yes.

Nathan: 01:23:39

Okay.

Nathan: 01:23:40

All right.

Nathan: 01:23:41

Is Gone Girl in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:23:44

No.

Nathan: 01:23:44

No.

Sam: 01:23:45

No.

Nathan: 01:23:48

Is Green Book in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:23:51

Probably.

Nathan: 01:23:54

No.

Bee: 01:23:56

No.

Bee: 01:23:57

I'll just go with the tide there.

Bee: 01:23:59

Is Scent

Nathan: 01:23:59

of a Woman in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:24:02

Scent of a Woman?

Nathan: 01:24:04

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:06

Yes.

Eli: 01:24:11

Yee.

Eli: 01:24:14

I wouldn't put it on the top 250.

Eli: 01:24:17

You don't have to.

Eli: 01:24:17

No.

Eli: 01:24:18

That's why

Sam: 01:24:18

it's hard, because I'm not thinking of my opinions, I'm

Sam: 01:24:20

trying to think of the list,

Bee: 01:24:21

I

Nathan: 01:24:22

think

Bee: 01:24:22

it might, I'm going to go yes.

Bee: 01:24:24

I'm going to go yes.

Bee: 01:24:25

Okay.

Bee: 01:24:25

Okay.

Nathan: 01:24:26

Okay.

Nathan: 01:24:27

Is In the Mood for Love, the one car one gun, in the top 250?

Bee: 01:24:32

It fucking should be, but no, I don't think it is.

Sam: 01:24:35

No.

Sam: 01:24:37

I'll say no, because I don't, I'm not too familiar with it.

Nathan: 01:24:41

I think you would love it.

Nathan: 01:24:42

Is Adaptation in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:24:44

Yes.

Sam: 01:24:44

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:45

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:46

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:48

Is Joker in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:24:50

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:51

Yes.

Nathan: 01:24:52

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:24:54

I know, I'm pumped about that too.

Nathan: 01:24:56

Is Top Gun Maverick in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:24:59

Yes.

Bee: 01:25:01

And they broke a bunch of box office records.

Nathan: 01:25:02

Yes.

Sam: 01:25:10

But you don't mean top two.

Sam: 01:25:11

It's not box.

Sam: 01:25:12

It's not about, it's not numbers.

Sam: 01:25:13

It's the box office.

Sam: 01:25:14

This is box.

Nathan: 01:25:15

This is like the IMDb 250.

Nathan: 01:25:16

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:25:17

Popularity.

Nathan: 01:25:18

Yeah.

Sam: 01:25:18

All right.

Sam: 01:25:18

Yeah.

Sam: 01:25:19

Yeah.

Sam: 01:25:19

Then yeah.

Nathan: 01:25:22

Is the Terminator from 1984 in the top 250.

Nathan: 01:25:25

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:25:25

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:25:29

Everyone saying yes?

Nathan: 01:25:30

Yes.

Nathan: 01:25:31

Jimbo!

Nathan: 01:25:31

Sorry.

Nathan: 01:25:32

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:25:33

Stand by me in the top 250.

Nathan: 01:25:35

Yes.

Nathan: 01:25:35

Yes.

Nathan: 01:25:35

Yes.

Nathan: 01:25:36

Yes.

Nathan: 01:25:38

Is the Hurt Locker in the top 250?

Bee: 01:25:44

No,

Bee: 01:25:47

I'm going to flash in the

Bee: 01:25:47

pan.

Bee: 01:25:48

Yes.

Bee: 01:25:51

We'll see.

Bee: 01:25:52

I would

Eli: 01:25:54

say yes to

Sam: 01:25:56

one day.

Sam: 01:25:57

I will see you on the shores of Linden Buttersworth.

Nathan: 01:25:59

Is Donnie Brasco in the top 250?

Bee: 01:26:05

Yes.

Sam: 01:26:07

No.

Bee: 01:26:07

The fuck is a Donnie Brasco?

Bee: 01:26:08

Come on.

Sam: 01:26:09

Why not?

Sam: 01:26:10

It has to be.

Sam: 01:26:11

I love it.

Sam: 01:26:12

I love it.

Sam: 01:26:13

I love it.

Sam: 01:26:13

But I would be, I don't think it's there.

Sam: 01:26:15

But, cause it's just so weird.

Sam: 01:26:16

Johnny Depp.

Sam: 01:26:17

It's

Sam: 01:26:17

a weird film.

Sam: 01:26:18

Yeah.

Sam: 01:26:19

That's the movie where he's I've got dick cancer.

Bee: 01:26:21

Oh God.

Bee: 01:26:22

I'm just going to say no.

Bee: 01:26:23

I've never heard of this movie.

Bee: 01:26:24

All I know is it's got dick cancer and death.

Bee: 01:26:26

I'm saying yes.

Bee: 01:26:27

Wise guy

Sam: 01:26:27

don't, wise guy don't keep money in a wallet.

Sam: 01:26:29

He keep it in a roll.

Sam: 01:26:31

Oh God.

Nathan: 01:26:32

It's a rare film.

Sam: 01:26:34

It is good though.

Nathan: 01:26:35

Is JFK in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:26:37

Yes.

Nathan: 01:26:41

Is Throne of Blood, the Kira Kurosawa movie, in the top 250?

Eli: 01:26:45

I

Bee: 01:26:45

don't know that film, so I would say no.

Bee: 01:26:47

Okay.

Bee: 01:26:49

It's a great movie.

Bee: 01:26:50

I think you'd like it, Ellie.

Bee: 01:26:51

Really?

Bee: 01:26:52

Yeah, I think you would.

Bee: 01:26:54

IMDB top two 50.

Bee: 01:26:56

Yes.

Bee: 01:26:58

I bet you it's on some top list, but I don't think IMDB I'm gonna say no.

Sam: 01:27:01

I'm gonna say no as well.

Sam: 01:27:03

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:27:04

Ellie, you say no or yes?

Nathan: 01:27:06

No.

Nathan: 01:27:06

No.

Nathan: 01:27:06

Okay.

Nathan: 01:27:08

Is Planet of the Apes the original 1960s film in the top two 50?

Nathan: 01:27:12

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:13

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:27:16

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:17

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:17

Okay.

Nathan: 01:27:17

. Is Batman begins in the top two 50?

Nathan: 01:27:25

I go, yes.

Nathan: 01:27:29

I'm going to say no.

Bee: 01:27:32

I'm going to say no too.

Nathan: 01:27:33

I don't think so.

Nathan: 01:27:36

Is Groundhog Day in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:27:38

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:39

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:41

Is Hachi a dog tale in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:27:45

Oh my goodness.

Nathan: 01:27:46

I wouldn't be surprised.

Nathan: 01:27:47

Yes.

Nathan: 01:27:48

It has to be.

Sam: 01:27:49

I would say no.

Nathan: 01:27:51

I bet you it is.

Nathan: 01:27:52

I say yes.

Nathan: 01:27:53

I say yes too.

Nathan: 01:27:54

Is Ford v Ferrari in the top 250?

Nathan: 01:27:57

No.

Nathan: 01:27:57

It should be.

Bee: 01:27:58

That's my number one dad movie.

Bee: 01:28:00

No.

Bee: 01:28:00

No.

Bee: 01:28:01

I love that movie, but no, I don't think it is.

Sam: 01:28:05

Ford versus Ferrari.

Nathan: 01:28:06

Ellie, what did you say?

Nathan: 01:28:07

No.

Nathan: 01:28:10

I'll say, I'm gonna say yes.

Nathan: 01:28:13

It's a

Nathan: 01:28:14

good movie.

Nathan: 01:28:15

It was

Nathan: 01:28:15

a

Nathan: 01:28:16

good movie.

Nathan: 01:28:17

It was all right, we've got a couple left here.

Nathan: 01:28:19

Days of Heaven.

Nathan: 01:28:20

Terrence Malick.

Nathan: 01:28:21

Terrence Malick.

Nathan: 01:28:22

Days of Heaven.

Eli: 01:28:24

Yeah, I

Bee: 01:28:24

can see

Eli: 01:28:24

that.

Eli: 01:28:24

That was a big one.

Eli: 01:28:25

Yes.

Eli: 01:28:27

I don't think I know that film.

Eli: 01:28:28

So

Sam: 01:28:28

no.

Sam: 01:28:29

I'll say yes to that one.

Nathan: 01:28:31

All right.

Nathan: 01:28:31

A few more here.

Nathan: 01:28:33

Do the right thing.

Nathan: 01:28:35

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:36

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:37

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:37

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:39

Toy Story.

Nathan: 01:28:40

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:40

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:41

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:48

It's a really fun game.

Nathan: 01:28:50

And let's see here.

Nathan: 01:28:53

Magnolia.

Nathan: 01:28:55

No.

Nathan: 01:28:56

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:56

Yes.

Nathan: 01:28:58

Okay.

Nathan: 01:28:58

Interesting.

Nathan: 01:28:59

I say yes.

Nathan: 01:29:00

I say yes.

Nathan: 01:29:01

I

Bee: 01:29:01

said yes.

Bee: 01:29:02

Oh, everyone says yes.

Bee: 01:29:02

I said no.

Bee: 01:29:04

I might be underestimating its cultural significance.

Bee: 01:29:07

I like PTA.

Sam: 01:29:10

I am a definite yes on Magnolia.

Nathan: 01:29:13

Me too.

Nathan: 01:29:14

Okay.

Nathan: 01:29:14

Yeah, I think so.

Nathan: 01:29:15

Tom Cruise.

Nathan: 01:29:16

Frankenstein.

Nathan: 01:29:17

The original 1931 Frankenstein.

Bee: 01:29:20

No.

Bee: 01:29:22

Should it be?

Bee: 01:29:23

Yeah.

Bee: 01:29:23

I say yes.

Bee: 01:29:24

I don't think so.

Eli: 01:29:25

The original Frankenstein?

Bee: 01:29:27

Scared the shit out of me.

Bee: 01:29:29

Okay.

Bee: 01:29:29

Yeah.

Bee: 01:29:30

I'm with you, girl.

Bee: 01:29:31

Bride of Frankenstein was so good too.

Bee: 01:29:33

Oh my god, if you haven't seen it.

Bee: 01:29:35

Oh.

Bee: 01:29:35

Sam?

Bee: 01:29:35

Which one?

Bee: 01:29:36

Are you guys

Sam: 01:29:36

both no on Frankenstein?

Bee: 01:29:38

I said yes.

Bee: 01:29:39

I'm a no.

Bee: 01:29:40

Alicia?

Sam: 01:29:43

I don't know if I've seen it, to be honest.

Bee: 01:29:46

I honestly think Bride of Frankenstein might even be better.

Bee: 01:29:48

It doesn't matter if you've seen it or not.

Bee: 01:29:50

I know, I'm just trying to.

Sam: 01:29:52

I know.

Sam: 01:29:53

And that's, I have no I'm gonna say yes.

Sam: 01:29:55

Okay.

Sam: 01:29:56

Logan.

Nathan: 01:29:57

Ooh.

Nathan: 01:29:58

Ugh.

Nathan: 01:29:59

Oh man.

Nathan: 01:30:01

Yeah.

Eli: 01:30:02

Yeah.

Eli: 01:30:07

Yeah.

Eli: 01:30:08

Yes.

Eli: 01:30:09

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:09

Sure.

Nathan: 01:30:09

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:10

I, yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:11

Okay.

Nathan: 01:30:12

Almost done here for a few dollars more.

Nathan: 01:30:15

Oh yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:16

Oh yeah.

Sam: 01:30:16

Yes.

Sam: 01:30:18

I guess I'll say

Sam: 01:30:19

yes.

Nathan: 01:30:19

Oh my gosh.

Nathan: 01:30:20

Sam

Sam: 01:30:21

Clue list on that one there.

Nathan: 01:30:22

Alright.

Nathan: 01:30:23

Alright.

Nathan: 01:30:23

There's two left here.

Nathan: 01:30:25

Rush.

Nathan: 01:30:25

The Ron Howard film from 2013.

Nathan: 01:30:27

Rush

Nathan: 01:30:28

. Sam: Fuck no.

Nathan: 01:30:29

No

Nathan: 01:30:30

. Sam: Although I do like it a lot, but no, it's no

Nathan: 01:30:32

Ferrari.

Nathan: 01:30:33

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:37

And I

Sam: 01:30:38

enjoy that movie, but yeah,

Nathan: 01:30:39

that's one is E.

Nathan: 01:30:40

T.

Nathan: 01:30:40

the extraterrestrial.

Nathan: 01:30:41

Oh, yeah.

Nathan: 01:30:42

Yes.

Nathan: 01:30:42

Yes.

Nathan: 01:30:44

Okay.

Nathan: 01:30:45

What about the notebook?

Nathan: 01:30:47

I just picked like random, like 16 movies for each category.

Nathan: 01:30:50

Okay.

Nathan: 01:30:52

Basic here's the movies that you guys got, and I may have to edit this a little bit

Nathan: 01:30:58

here, but one, there's actually 17 movies.

Nathan: 01:31:04

that were in it and 16 that weren't.

Nathan: 01:31:07

So I was slightly off.

Nathan: 01:31:08

That's okay.

Nathan: 01:31:09

So out of those 17 movies that are in the top two 50, Sam, you got 12 right?

Nathan: 01:31:18

B, you got one, two, three, four, five, six.

Nathan: 01:31:23

So you got 11, right?

Nathan: 01:31:26

Ellie, you got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, seven.

Nathan: 01:31:37

So you got 10, right?

Bee: 01:31:39

Oh, that's funny.

Bee: 01:31:40

We all were in one office.

Nathan: 01:31:45

I want to know what I got.

Nathan: 01:31:46

I'll get to that in a moment.

Nathan: 01:31:48

But of the 16 that are not in it, you only got four right, Sam,

Nathan: 01:31:53

because he kept saying yes to them.

Nathan: 01:31:54

B, you got six right in there.

Nathan: 01:31:58

And that means that you're ahead of Sam.

Nathan: 01:32:01

And then Ellie, one, two, three, four, four right.

Nathan: 01:32:06

So therefore, Ellie, your score is 14.

Nathan: 01:32:12

B, your score is 17 and Sam, your score is 16 B, you are our winner . Yeah.

Nathan: 01:32:20

And I, but I will, it was a close game.

Nathan: 01:32:23

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:32:23

, I'll, I, but I think the fun thing is here to mention which movies are in

Nathan: 01:32:27

the top two 15 and which ones werent.

Nathan: 01:32:28

Yes.

Nathan: 01:32:28

The movies that were in the top two 50 are Stand by me at two now

Nathan: 01:32:33

by, I will say one thing here.

Nathan: 01:32:34

This list is as of about 10 days ago.

Nathan: 01:32:37

It's possible the ones that are like really teetering on the edge could add.

Nathan: 01:32:42

There's nothing here that is below two 33.

Nathan: 01:32:47

So I didn't want to pick it up.

Nathan: 01:32:47

It was like number two 50.

Nathan: 01:32:49

That could be in and out.

Nathan: 01:32:50

So I don't think anything entered in that would bump something out.

Nathan: 01:32:53

But stand by me.

Nathan: 01:32:54

It's at two 32.

Nathan: 01:32:55

Ford v.

Nathan: 01:32:56

Ferrari is at two.

Nathan: 01:32:57

Oh, wait, it's a two 18.

Nathan: 01:33:01

Toy Story's at 76.

Nathan: 01:33:02

Barry Linden is in at one 86.

Nathan: 01:33:05

Hachi.

Nathan: 01:33:06

A dog tail is at 2.

Nathan: 01:33:08

33.

Nathan: 01:33:10

Walk in is at 2.

Nathan: 01:33:11

13.

Nathan: 01:33:12

Monster's Ink is 1.

Nathan: 01:33:14

95.

Nathan: 01:33:15

Actually, this is the lowest one, I think.

Nathan: 01:33:17

Groundhog Day is at 2.

Nathan: 01:33:18

40.

Nathan: 01:33:21

For a few dollars more is at 1.

Nathan: 01:33:23

30.

Nathan: 01:33:24

Gone Girl is in it at 1.

Nathan: 01:33:26

90.

Nathan: 01:33:26

I said no on that.

Nathan: 01:33:29

Here's the big surprise.

Nathan: 01:33:30

Rush.

Nathan: 01:33:30

Rush is at 228.

Nathan: 01:33:32

Ah!

Nathan: 01:33:33

Yep.

Nathan: 01:33:34

How dare they?

Nathan: 01:33:35

Hacksaw Ridge is at 189, Top Gun Maverick at 141, Batman Begins is in it at 129.

Nathan: 01:33:44

Only Ellie got that

Nathan: 01:33:45

yeah.

Nathan: 01:33:46

Green Book is in it at 132.

Nathan: 01:33:50

And Joker is at 83.

Nathan: 01:33:52

Now the movies that are not in the top 250, and this was hard for

Nathan: 01:33:55

you guys, because you guys like to put everything in the top 250.

Bee: 01:33:58

It's really indicative of how we treat the vault.

Nathan: 01:34:02

It's fascinating because, I picked a lot of American movies

Nathan: 01:34:05

that we're all familiar with.

Nathan: 01:34:06

There was a lot of foreign films and.

Nathan: 01:34:09

And in indie titles that were, that you'd recognize here, but I wanted to grab

Nathan: 01:34:15

popular ones that would lead you astray.

Nathan: 01:34:18

Mulholland drive, not in the top two 50, Magnolia, not in the top two 50, scent

Nathan: 01:34:24

of a woman, not in the top two 50, planet of the apes, not in the top two 50.

Nathan: 01:34:29

That's really surprising.

Nathan: 01:34:30

That is.

Nathan: 01:34:31

In the mood for love.

Nathan: 01:34:32

Not in the top 250.

Nathan: 01:34:33

The Hurt Locker.

Nathan: 01:34:35

And I won't keep saying the same thing over and over.

Nathan: 01:34:37

Hurt Locker adaptation.

Nathan: 01:34:39

Ah, Dr.

Nathan: 01:34:41

Zhivago.

Nathan: 01:34:42

Everyone thought that was in there.

Nathan: 01:34:43

Throne of Blood is not.

Nathan: 01:34:44

Although I think there's only one or two other Curacao movies,

Nathan: 01:34:48

but they were pretty obvious.

Nathan: 01:34:50

If I went with them.

Nathan: 01:34:51

Frankenstein Days of Heaven.

Nathan: 01:34:53

Donnie Brasco, and you, all of these here you said they were, and

Nathan: 01:34:57

except for the last one here JFK.

Nathan: 01:34:59

I

Sam: 01:35:00

said no to Donnie Brasco.

Nathan: 01:35:01

Yeah, he said no.

Nathan: 01:35:03

So JFK, do the right thing.

Nathan: 01:35:04

Titanic and E.

Nathan: 01:35:06

T., none of these are in the top 250.

Nathan: 01:35:09

Whoa, he didn't

Nathan: 01:35:10

make it?

Nathan: 01:35:12

Oh, darn.

Nathan: 01:35:13

Now you look at Titanic's not in the top two 50.

Nathan: 01:35:16

No, but if you look at like the IMD rating, they're like

Nathan: 01:35:18

anything that's like above 8.

Nathan: 01:35:20

1 and higher is on there.

Nathan: 01:35:22

And these are like 8.

Nathan: 01:35:23

0 movies or 8.

Nathan: 01:35:24

1.

Nathan: 01:35:25

They're like teetering right there.

Nathan: 01:35:27

Next week, anywhere between up to 2 50, 2 40 or so.

Nathan: 01:35:30

Like they could be in there today maybe at like just eking.

Nathan: 01:35:33

And as of 10 days ago, they weren't, and children of men for me is not yeah.

Nathan: 01:35:39

Wow.

Sam: 01:35:40

ET of ET should be, I mean in the top two 50, I know it's a different metric.

Sam: 01:35:44

I'm shocked.

Sam: 01:35:45

Yeah.

Sam: 01:35:45

Et

Bee: 01:35:46

yeah, exactly.

Bee: 01:35:47

This is why like a lot of these, so what threw me off was a lot of these

Bee: 01:35:51

are on like the sight and sound.

Bee: 01:35:53

The BFI top 100 list or something like that.

Nathan: 01:35:57

Actually ET has a 7.

Nathan: 01:35:58

9 rating on IMDB.

Nathan: 01:36:00

Here's the problem.

Nathan: 01:36:01

This was just an exercise just to have some fun, but this is

Nathan: 01:36:06

why we do this because IMDB.

Nathan: 01:36:08

Is not the end all.

Nathan: 01:36:11

And it's weighted completely incorrectly.

Nathan: 01:36:13

Cause IMDb you get people like, Oh, I'll give it a 10 or they give it a one.

Nathan: 01:36:17

There's nobody, very few people give ratings in between.

Nathan: 01:36:21

But,

Eli: 01:36:22

For actors, the INDB site, a lot of actors think of come visit

Eli: 01:36:26

my site, come visit my site, because the higher the, the, I guess they say

Eli: 01:36:30

if it's in the green section you're,

Sam: 01:36:33

the star meter,

Eli: 01:36:34

yeah, the star meter.

Eli: 01:36:35

And I'm thinking like, it's like you said, Nathan, it's not the end of all things,

Eli: 01:36:40

the INDB, because it's a statistically.

Eli: 01:36:43

I feel like it's wrong because it shouldn't be based on numbers.

Eli: 01:36:47

It should be based on your performances and the actual movies.

Eli: 01:36:50

You got E.

Eli: 01:36:50

T.

Eli: 01:36:50

for example, like he has a great film but didn't

Nathan: 01:36:53

make it

Eli: 01:36:54

right.

Eli: 01:36:54

So

Nathan: 01:36:55

it's on our list.

Nathan: 01:36:55

So yeah, IMDb is probably like the most inconsequential of all lists.

Nathan: 01:36:59

Yes.

Nathan: 01:37:00

There you

Nathan: 01:37:01

go.

Nathan: 01:37:01

That's a good.

Nathan: 01:37:02

term, but yeah,

Nathan: 01:37:04

anyways.

Nathan: 01:37:04

So there we go.

Nathan: 01:37:05

We'll fun game.

Nathan: 01:37:06

Maybe we'll do it.

Nathan: 01:37:07

Some, another thing like that.

Nathan: 01:37:11

All right.

Nathan: 01:37:11

We're getting close to the end.

Nathan: 01:37:12

Anybody want to mention anything that they watch this week did

Nathan: 01:37:15

this week before we wrap it up?

Nathan: 01:37:16

I would

Sam: 01:37:16

just say that I, I saw and there's three episodes out, but

Sam: 01:37:19

I saw the first two episodes of Amazon's Rings of Power season two.

Sam: 01:37:24

Me too!

Sam: 01:37:25

I think it's improvement over the first season, and I was riveted.

Sam: 01:37:29

I really enjoy it.

Sam: 01:37:30

I'm they're preaching to the choir with me, because I'm a built in audience.

Sam: 01:37:33

But I cannot wait to watch the third episode and continue it.

Sam: 01:37:39

I just, I know it's not perfect, but I really enjoy it.

Sam: 01:37:43

I'm

Bee: 01:37:43

happy to be back in Middle Earth.

Bee: 01:37:44

Yes, exactly.

Bee: 01:37:45

I'm digging it.

Bee: 01:37:45

Exactly.

Eli: 01:37:46

Yep.

Eli: 01:37:46

I'm not into that serious, but Carlos is so I couldn't tell you, but yeah.

Eli: 01:37:51

But I did watch two films.

Eli: 01:37:53

One is called Kind, kind of Kindness.

Eli: 01:37:57

Oh, did you like it?

Eli: 01:37:58

Oh,

Eli: 01:37:58

okay.

Eli: 01:37:59

I don't know.

Eli: 01:38:01

I, it was so cute, but it was.

Eli: 01:38:03

Who is the director is the port, the guy from Porthis, it's got a funny moment.

Eli: 01:38:09

Weird, really weird.

Eli: 01:38:11

I was like, I don't know.

Eli: 01:38:14

I, yeah, no I think I, the pace.

Eli: 01:38:17

I don't know is the best takeaway.

Nathan: 01:38:19

I

Eli: 01:38:20

yeah,

Nathan: 01:38:20

I

Eli: 01:38:21

don't know.

Eli: 01:38:22

I don't know.

Eli: 01:38:22

It's the best takeaway.

Eli: 01:38:23

And then the other one that I just watched actually yesterday is called Perfect Days.

Eli: 01:38:28

It's from Jeff Oh, I love that movie.

Eli: 01:38:30

Did you see

Bee: 01:38:31

it?

Bee: 01:38:32

Yeah.

Bee: 01:38:32

I

Eli: 01:38:33

loved it.

Eli: 01:38:33

I don't know.

Eli: 01:38:34

At the end of the movie, you're like, what was the point of this film?

Eli: 01:38:38

But the point of this film is that here's a simple man living a simple

Eli: 01:38:41

life, doing his work, doing it well, and just very content with life.

Nathan: 01:38:48

I loved it.

Nathan: 01:38:48

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:38:48

It was I was genetically engineered to love Perfect Days and I'm sad

Nathan: 01:38:53

that I didn't like, it was not my favorite movie of the year.

Nathan: 01:38:56

So I don't know what's wrong with me.

Bee: 01:38:59

There's other great Wim Wendler movies you can go watch.

Eli: 01:39:03

But yeah, those are my two films for this weekend.

Eli: 01:39:06

That's awesome.

Nathan: 01:39:08

Yeah, I don't really have much to add.

Nathan: 01:39:10

I watched Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Nathan: 01:39:13

Oh yeah, Raiders of the Lost Ark, of course.

Nathan: 01:39:15

Yeah, I know.

Nathan: 01:39:15

But I was busy with other things.

Nathan: 01:39:17

You know what I did watch today?

Nathan: 01:39:19

Cause it was, we're recording this on Labor Day.

Nathan: 01:39:21

Not, it was not today, yesterday.

Nathan: 01:39:23

I'm sorry.

Nathan: 01:39:23

I got my days mixed up, but we had a family movie day yesterday

Nathan: 01:39:26

cause it was just a lazy Sunday.

Nathan: 01:39:28

I watched, rewatched Peach Dragon, but not the original one from 77.

Nathan: 01:39:33

We watched the remake.

Nathan: 01:39:35

Would you honestly.

Nathan: 01:39:36

It is a good film.

Nathan: 01:39:39

It really is well done.

Nathan: 01:39:40

David Lowery directed that.

Nathan: 01:39:42

What I will say is my kids bawling through that movie.

Nathan: 01:39:48

It's they're so concerned about.

Nathan: 01:39:50

Pete and Elliot and like the dragon was going to die.

Nathan: 01:39:56

She does not get emotional during films.

Nathan: 01:39:58

And she was through this.

Nathan: 01:40:00

And even my older daughter as well, we almost didn't make it.

Nathan: 01:40:05

It was like, it's the same thing was like, is the dog going to make it?

Nathan: 01:40:07

Like it was like the analogy of the dog, like they can't watch how are

Nathan: 01:40:11

the movies can't watch dog movies.

Nathan: 01:40:13

And if there's a dog in it, I have to like, go ahead and see if the dog.

Nathan: 01:40:16

Read and find out if the dog lives or not.

Nathan: 01:40:18

Otherwise, we can't watch it.

Eli: 01:40:19

Oh, by the way, I bought two weeks, two weeks ago, I bought

Eli: 01:40:22

this new game, board game, and I played it with my family yesterday.

Eli: 01:40:26

And it's fun.

Eli: 01:40:28

It's called Mind the Gap.

Eli: 01:40:30

Mind the Gap.

Eli: 01:40:30

Okay.

Eli: 01:40:31

Mind the Gap.

Eli: 01:40:31

Have you heard of it?

Eli: 01:40:32

No.

Eli: 01:40:33

It's a trivia, it's a trivia board game.

Eli: 01:40:35

It's like trivia pursuit, but it's Mind the Gap.

Eli: 01:40:37

It's about four different generations.

Eli: 01:40:39

The boomers, the Gen X, the Millennials, and the Gen Zs.

Eli: 01:40:43

So what was fun is that my nephew and niece are Gen Zs, Carlos is

Eli: 01:40:47

Millennial, I'm Gen X, and we didn't really have a boomer in our family,

Eli: 01:40:51

but we played the boomer side anyhow.

Eli: 01:40:54

So much fun.

Eli: 01:40:56

I learned so many things that I didn't know.

Eli: 01:40:58

Yeah, during the boomers, like years and I just, it was fun.

Eli: 01:41:03

So check it out.

Eli: 01:41:04

I got it at Barnes and Nobles.

Eli: 01:41:05

That's really fun to watch.

Nathan: 01:41:07

That's awesome.

Nathan: 01:41:07

That's a framework.

Nathan: 01:41:08

You get movie reviews and board game reviews,

Bee: 01:41:12

all pop culture.

Bee: 01:41:13

I did a rewatch too.

Bee: 01:41:14

I rewatched boy in the Heron.

Bee: 01:41:16

Oh man, that's such a cute movie.

Bee: 01:41:18

Yeah,

Nathan: 01:41:19

I think that about.

Nathan: 01:41:20

Wraps up.

Nathan: 01:41:21

Would you say it'd be good?

Nathan: 01:41:23

Good.

Nathan: 01:41:25

Everyone should tune in next week when we review the next film in

Nathan: 01:41:30

this series, Indiana Jones in the temple of doom from 1984.

Bee: 01:41:35

Nobody tell me anything about it.

Nathan: 01:41:37

No, but I would love you also to.

Nathan: 01:41:39

Maybe share your thoughts of what you think this movie is going

Nathan: 01:41:41

to be about before you watch it.

Nathan: 01:41:45

Tell us when you're about to start it too.

Nathan: 01:41:47

Cause I want, I'm sure I'll get a kind of a watch along without watching it with

Nathan: 01:41:52

you, but ah, I can picture it in my head.

Bee: 01:41:55

I think there's a temple.

Bee: 01:41:56

I think it goes poorly.

Bee: 01:41:57

I

Nathan: 01:42:00

think if this week was a interesting conversation,

Nathan: 01:42:05

next week is gonna, it's going to be something special too.

Nathan: 01:42:09

And we have a guest lined up as well.

Nathan: 01:42:13

So I'll, Share that with you.

Nathan: 01:42:14

After we get off the

Bee: 01:42:16

one thing I don't know is where to put my expectations.

Bee: 01:42:19

Is this a series where all the movies are great?

Bee: 01:42:22

Is the next one terrible?

Bee: 01:42:23

Are one in three I don't know anything up

Nathan: 01:42:26

for you.

Nathan: 01:42:27

I don't want to taint your opinion.

Nathan: 01:42:28

No, we're not going to tell

Eli: 01:42:29

you.

Eli: 01:42:30

Okay.

Nathan: 01:42:31

All right.

Nathan: 01:42:31

That is our show this week.

Nathan: 01:42:33

Back to the framerate as part of the Western media podcast network.

Nathan: 01:42:37

We also wish to thank Brian Ellsworth for our show opening on behalf of all of us.

Nathan: 01:42:42

We bid you farewell from the fall shelter.

Nathan: 01:42:44

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Nathan: 01:42:48

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Nathan: 01:42:53

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Nathan: 01:43:30

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