We take a closer look at the structure of the U.S. government, dissecting the balance between the House, the Senate, and the Electoral College. We also navigate through the recent upheavals in the Democratic party, including Joe Biden's resignation from the presidential race, and Kamala Harris's contentious policy proposals on universal basic income, the Green New Deal, and more.

We'll also cover local politics, discussing the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police's candidate endorsements and controversies surrounding recent police shootings. As always, we're committed to generating common sense discussions and invite you to suggest topics for future episodes.

Common Sense Moments

00:00 Japan made bad military decision, delivered bomb.

10:10 Kamala chosen over Biden, voters feel tricked.

13:09 Kamala's positions: Green New Deal, health care, employment.

16:57 Concerns about potential problems with appealing ideas.

17:43 Kamala Harris compared to Kenny Norton in boxing.

21:20 Ohio is ranked by population, impacting representation. Senate balances majority and equal state weight.

27:03 America founded on diversity, not political rhetoric.

29:29 Universal Basic Income is nonsensical, dangerous, and deadly.

34:25 Voters to replace redistricting commission with 100% citizens.

37:43 Ohio ballot law blocked due to exclusivity.

39:59 The US Supreme Court handles significant legal issues.

44:17 Federal judge strikes down ATF's ban.

48:31 Ohio Supreme Court to address animal cruelty.

52:17 Ohio FOP decisions on endorsing candidates explained.

Reference to the Columbus police officer was cleared in the shooting of teenager Ma'Khia Bryant. Our video overview of the shooting that morning.

Common Sense Takeaways

The Potsdam Declaration issued to Japan during World War II, the delivery of the atomic bomb, and the USS Indianapolis incident, emphasizing the significant historical events of this date.

Steve highlights the extensive power of administrative agencies and the potential overreach without proper congressional oversight, stressing the importance of legislative processes and representative governance.

Norm highlights a criminal case involving animal cruelty, examining the legal definitions of abuse and torture, property rights, and constitutional statutes on the matter.

Checks and balances within the U.S. government, the function of the House and Senate, and the rationale behind the Electoral College system designed to balance majority rule with state representation.

Potential negative impacts of proposed policies like guaranteed income and jobs, which the hosts see as possibly fostering socialist or communist systems. Historical context is provided to underscore their views.

Skepticism and criticism regarding Joe Biden's resignation, Kamala Harris’s appointment as the Democratic candidate, and the strategic implications leading up to the 2024 election.

The state of Ohio's Fraternal Order of Police's decision not to endorse certain candidates, including Sherrod Brown and Steve Deters, due to their perceived positions and past actions affecting law enforcement.

Concerns are raised about Universal Basic Income potentially undermining work motivation, with discussions on dystopian scenarios and the importance of maintaining incentives to work.

Temporary blockage of Ohio's law allowing family members to handle mail-in ballots and debates around potential ballot harvesting, along with the implications of federal judicial decisions on firearm regulations and administrative authority.

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Copyright 2024 Common Sense Ohio

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Steve Palmer [: 00:00:00

Alright, gentlemen. Common Sense Ohio remote edition. So we've got Brett in the studio. Steve Palmer here. At Mid Ohio Sports Car Course Raceway, whatever you call it in Norm down in Georgia. Norm, are you logged in from Georgia?

Norm Murdock [: 00:00:16

I sure hope I am. I'm having a a few technical difficulties.

Steve Palmer [: 00:00:21

Well, it looks like it's working for for now anyway. So July 26, 2024, commonsense ohioshow.com. The show must go on. The show is going on even though 2 of the 3 are not there. The wonders of modern technology taken advantage by channel 511. Of course, the studio is making all this happen. And, you know, while we're talking about that, if you want your own podcast, no big deal. All you gotta all you gotta do is go to channel511.com.

Steve Palmer [: 00:00:46

Easy sign up. 1 of our engineers will meet you at the studio. You can be just like the big boys, just like Brett, Norm, and me, and, have your own podcast. So, on other matters, lawyer talk, yours truly's, first foray into the podcast world is is it's never been dead, but it's just sort of been dormant. So it is now awake. New episodes dropping weekly, so check that out, lawyertalkpodcast.com. Without further ado, we'll get right at it. Lots of news this week, Norm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:01:14

Lots of stuff going on, but there is a World War 2 significant this is a significant day of World War 2, that I think we should talk about because, you know, it it it only changed the course of the world forever. On July 26, 1945, the Potsdam declaration occurred. This was an ultimatum, issued by United States Great Britain and China on the Japanese. You better surrender or else something really, really horrible is gonna happen.

Norm Murdock [: 00:01:45

I think

Steve Palmer [: 00:01:46

I think, if somebody ever says that, like, we've all had that. Like, well, you know, you you might wanna really consider this offer because there's something you don't know that's really, really bad that might happen. And I think it goes down to the annals of terrible military decision making by Japan, and maybe it was not even a decision for them because it was so ingrained in their ideology. But, at any rate, on July 26th, we gave them the ultimatum, and we delivered little boy the bomb, to Tinian, which is I think I think it's an island in the, in the, Marinair Islands. But you're, you know, Ohio seems to make it big time and time again, and admiral Tibbets, delivered the bomb on his b 29, specially modified b 29, less than a month later, I think. So, anyway, Norma, you've always got something interesting to add on this, so I'll turn it over to you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:44

Yeah. The, the delivering the bomb, of course, you know, had to be by ship, to the b 29 basis. And, I think people are familiar with the, USS, Indianapolis.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:04

Oh, yeah. That's a whole another story. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:06

Yeah. So just delivering the bomb and, you know, to the island, for, Nagasaki, I think it was, in the case of the Arizona or the Indianapolis. It resulted in them steaming through what they thought were pretty safe waters, and, they were, torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. And then, of course, it became a survival against the sharks. And, you know, ultimately, the captain of the ship was, tried, found, to be at fault, and later on in his life committed suicide, over the really unwarranted shame, because his crew said and even the Japanese submarine commander at his court martial, testified that zigzagging or taking whatever evasive maneuvers would not have saved the ship, that the the submarine had it dead to right. So, anyway, just a little sidebar discussion.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:14

No. It's a great discussion, also lets me talk about one of my favorite movies of

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:19

all time, Jaws. So anybody remembers the famous scene when they're on

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:19

the orca getting drunk, with, what's his name? The actor. I'm getting old. With, what's his name? The actor. I'm getting old. I can't remember names anymore. Yeah. Robert. Robert Shaw.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:34

Robert. Yeah. Yeah. They at the

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:37

one of the one of the best acting scenes of all time where they're talking about their various injuries and and Hooper. What's his name, Norm? The actor. I mean, I can't think today.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:50

Yeah. Oh, you mean the the guy that was in, the Goodbye Girl. Gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:59

Yeah. We know her. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:00

Anyway, just what's that one? Or no. It was, it was, we're gonna get this right. Sorry, guys.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:08

This is this is why,

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:09

I

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:09

I you know, this this is a waste of time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:12

Sheriff's character? That was Ray,

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:15

Roy Scheider.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:16

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:17

Scheider. Right. Roy Scheider. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:20

And, Richard Dreyfus. Alright. So now we're back in now we're back in business. So Roy Shire thinks, what's that one? He goes, I that's a tattoo. I had that removed. What was it? US Indianapolis.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:31

And,

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:32

Dreyfus' character Hooper is like, you were on the Indianapolis, and then and then, of course, Robert Shaw goes into this monologue about, what happened to the Indianapolis and, the shark attacks, etcetera. And I think there's an interesting film history about that too. I think he he tried it once, and he was too drunk and couldn't get it done and did another he came in the next day and was embarrassed by it and did it again. And it's it's brilliant acting. Anyway, with that, you're right. So there there's lots going on there. And I think it's sort of an interesting point to bring up, Norm, because I sense I don't know much about that court martial, but I sense it was somewhat political and theatrical. They needed somebody to blame, so they did, I I'm guessing, but it it sort of rings like that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:15

At any rate Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:16

If you read yeah. If you if if you read the history of that entire incident, the Air Sea Rescue and the the the delay in searching for the Indianapolis were they demonstrated some incompetence at the top of the Pacific fleet, where they weren't tracking the status of their ships very well. And and and they went on for days days after the sinking, and nobody was looking for it because it somehow fell through the cracks.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:50

Terrible. So it's it sounds like the military screwed up, blamed the captain, and off we go.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:55

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:56

A little bit like, our our borders are. Right? Wait a minute. Maybe not. She's getting credit for doing a great job. You see that segue, guys? See what I did right there?

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:06

That. Well, hey. As a little side note too, you realize we're gonna be celebrating 50 years of jaws next year. 1975, it was released.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:15

Ain't that incredible?

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:16

50 years. Yeah. And and from the and from this now yeah. From this now, we have, like, 3 weeks of jaws on National Geographic. I mean, you know, you think the shark week is now shark month or something like that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:30

Yeah. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:30

But but, yeah, 75. Yeah. Wow.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:32

Well, do some math on this because when I was in the eighties, as I was sort of the seventies and eighties when I grew up, I used to watch old movies, and a movie that was 50 years old was a silent movie.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:42

Mhmm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:44

And, you know, the classics were only, like, 25 years old. Yeah. 20 years old, maybe.

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:51

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:54

You know, I was watching the old Bogart movies

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:56

and Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:57

And some of the old forties movies. Yep. Even over, I guess. But it, it's remarkable what's happened. You know? You don't look at and the same with music, you know, time just doesn't wait on anybody. You you'd say, holy crap. That's 50 years old. But, yes, it is.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:12

And it's still relevant today. It's still a great movie.

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:14

Yeah. Yeah. You can put a you can put a time stamp on music when you start

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:22

to see those artists in real time on a on a stage going, oh, yeah. They're old. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:22

They're old. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:23

Yeah. They're old. Right. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:26

So, Norm, it's not like there's a whole lot to talk about. I mean, Ohio's own JD Vance becomes vice president. Joe Biden resigns. Well, wait a minute. Says he's not running. And, we've got Kamala Harris as the new democratic candidate.

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:44

Yeah. I agree.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:45

Do with that?

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:45

I I was near some reaction on Sunday when he, pulled out of the race. And there's just a lot of democrats just tearful, Tearful that he was pulling out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:56

Rock it out.

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:56

You guys you guys gotta be kidding me. This is

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:59

a good And they

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:59

spewed that man the week before.

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:01

Yeah. This is a good thing. This why are it's a good thing.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:06

It's all bullshit.

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:07

Yeah. I know. I know.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:08

All bullshit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:09

They,

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:10

I was amazed. I was amazed.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:11

Yeah. This is Yeah. It's funny.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:13

How great of man he was, his legacy of driving up inflation to astronomical numbers, of letting, I don't know how many 100 of thousands of people across the border. I mean, irrespective of all that, what what bugs me the most about this is the cover up of his mental condition and how long this happened. I mean, this to me is the crime of the highest order against the American people.

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:36

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:37

Right. So it's not a good thing. It's not a good thing at all. The same Democrats who are doing their crocodile tears that, oh, what a tremendous guy Joe Biden was and all that. It's all crocodile tears because as you said, Steve, they've been covering this up, and they deceive the primary voters in the Democratic primary. Yeah. 14,000,000 people voted for Joe Biden. Exactly 0 people voted for Kamala Harris.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:10

And yet Well the nominee from the smoke filled room is gonna be Kamala instead of Joe Biden. And the honest thing, like you said, the honest thing would have been to, declare Joe incompetent, have all of this happened a year or 6 months or 3 months ago, and then the voters in the Democratic primaries could have voted for Harris or some other candidate. Instead, they were presented with one candidate, Joe Biden, and now the people they you you talk about defeating democracy and the threat of democracy. These people went through an election for their Democratic nominee, and and they were tricked.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:55

Yeah. This is an ordainment. Is that the right word? Kamala Harris was ordained. She was not elected.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:01

Or an Yeah. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:03

And and what's interesting to me, I think we should all go back to our predictions. Remember our predictions about what would happen? And I think we were all wrong. I predicted that Biden would not be the candidate, but it would not be Kamala Harris. And it was because at that time, she was sort of the black sheep. They were skewering her. I mean, they were they sort of relegated her to a, a meaningless role, they being the the powers that be in the in the White House or the party. Almost like she was the embarrassment. And now they've sort of anointed her as the the greatest thing since sliced bread, and, it's just sort of gross to watch.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:38

And I don't all that said, I think she's I think we got a real problem because I think she can win this election. I think she may well win the election.

Brett Johnson [: 00:11:50

It's a possibility. Yeah. It'll be interesting if a debate happens between she and and, Trump, which I'm assuming will be, I guess. She's got a lot

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:00

of holes.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:01

You know, she was put in place to work the wall which she didn't do. So he's got a lot of ammunition and she has a lot to, to state why she didn't. Let's put it that way. You know, defend. And let's let's give her her time and let's find out why she didn't. I think that's valid. But, yeah, she's got a lot of as every candidate does. Lot of holes.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:23

Lot of holes she's gonna have to to shore up. Yep.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:28

Yeah. So let's go down the list. I think I think it's important. So on CNN, a Democratic pollster, threw a lot of cold water on on the latest, love fest for Kamala. He said that he might be equal to Trump, maybe even 1% higher in, the popular vote, but that she polls worse in the, electoral college outcome against Trump. And now this is at the current time. And as as you say, it's a long time till election day. Trump could step on it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:09

Kamala could, could go up in the polls or down depending on what happens in the debate. Could it happen? But I think it's important to kinda look at her record to talk about what statements she has made about what her her, positions are. So she's for the green new deal, which as we know, has led to, the pieces that have been implemented, like no pipelines, for example, things like that have led to inflation. She is for a single payer health care system, which if you think the post office does a bang up job for you, imagine the federal government running your health care. She wants to transition away from fossil fuels. He believes in universal government employment. In other words, every single American gets a job courtesy of the government, which sounds a little bit like the 3rd Reich or Stalin to me. He's for universal access to healthy foods, whatever that means.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:15

But, obviously, that that that portends perhaps that we need a bigger food stamp program. She wants to upgrade every building in America, including every home, to energy efficiency, which is more utopian. Who's gonna pay for that? She wants universal basic income so rates to pay for that. He wants the end of the cattle industry because, you know, cattle parts are are thinning the ozone layer. He wants free college for everybody. Free college. You don't pay any no debt because it's free. You don't have to pay anything for college.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:03

He, he wants to end the electoral college. He wants cars, internal combustion cars, to be eliminated by 2030, and he wants to be

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:17

Stop there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:18

The entire power grid.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:20

So the electoral college

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:22

That's all.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:22

Focus on that for a second. So look, here here's the problem. The big picture problem with all this is

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:28

it

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:28

all sort of sounds like pie in the sky goodness to people who don't wanna peel back the layers of the onion on all these individual things. But Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:36

You know,

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:36

if you talk to if you talk to Kamala, if you talk to by or, Barack Obama, you know, they say things like, we wanna get rid of the electoral college. And Obama has even talked about disbanding the senate, because it's it overly represents the the less populated states. You know, this is like if that's not anti democracy, I don't know what is.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:01

Yeah. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:02

Or, actually, you know what it is? That that they're they're leaning towards pure democracy. Maybe we should talk about for what this is. They're leaning towards pure democracy, which is popular vote. I mean, it's not like that didn't result in things like slavery because most people wanted it. And we don't have a system like that. It's we have a republic. But they're talking about disbanding our country as we know it and fundamentally changing our country. And when you when you listen to Biden's political speeches when he was running and Obama's, we're gonna fundamentally change the country.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:36

They tell you out loud what they wanna do. This banning the electoral college essentially ensures the popular vote wins the election. And it just so happens that, as you started with this conversation, that she wins the popular vote. And, you know, everybody, it sounds great. Hey. Why wouldn't we want that? Well, because we don't want New York and California picking our presidents.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:57

Mhmm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:57

There's a lot in between those two places. So I I I don't know. I I it is, the the problem I have with all this is that it's scary because some of this sounds good to people who don't really dig into it. The other concern I have is you guys remember, I was just reading some articles on, look, I like boxing, and and if anybody who watched Muhammad Ali back in his a day, he had problems with certain fighters. One of them was a guy named Kenny Norton. He just had a style that Ali didn't match up real well against for Ali. Same with, I think, Frazier. You know, you saw George Foreman just sort of flatten Frazier, and then you saw Ali have trouble.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:43

I think Kamala Harris is Kenny Norton to Donald Trump a little bit. You know? Trump Trump has a tendency to get overextended, send out criticism, send out, you know, he he he just he's gotta be very cautious. He's standing in the middle of a minefield here. And, I think when you're in the middle of a minefield, you don't know how to get out. The best move is not to move. And, if Trump can remain stationary here, I think he's got a better shot, but there's not much time. You know? He's he's he's he's getting to use the boxing now, and he's getting dropped into the fight in at the 11th round, you know, and there's only one to go. So Kama doesn't have much time to expose herself by Maynard's.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:25

So I'll shut up norm or Brett, go ahead.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:28

No. I I I think that's a that's an interesting perspective. Sorry, Norm. I mean, I'm not that I really have a ton to to add to this because the lot hasn't played out yet. We just there's so many variables here. She's she's just now been somewhat anointed to to take over, but then it's not really final yet. Oh, either I guess when it comes down to it, but I I guess it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. But, you know, in the next few weeks, quite frank, because it's still really early.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:54

I mean, you you know, think about this. In the last 2 weeks, we've had a former president shot and we've had our president, current president, pull out of a race. This is a this is huge history that we're living through right now that, not that every day every day isn't history for us. I mean, I I, you know, but there are just certain markers and time is like, wow, this will never happen to another generation. It's pretty amazing and and then comes down to, you know, she still hasn't picked a running mate. JD may never have a a debate. Yeah. He may not.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:27

Remember we talked about how shrewd the the Democratic political party is? I mean and I think we even I even said this during my prediction. They're too smart to run they're too smart and shrewd, and they're they're too good at tacticians to to run Kamala Harris, except they outsmarted even my predictions. Because what they did is they're gonna run her, but they're gonna run her late in the game. They're gonna intentionally wait 11 times. Almost too late. Yeah. And they're just gonna drop her in, and she's gonna be a breath of fresh air after Biden blows it during his debate, and and finally his disabilities are exposed.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:59

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:00

And now she's just the best candidate. So let's just vote for her. You know, it's like they're they're it it's genius, really.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:08

You'll know. It is. You're right. It's it's certainly if if if they planned it this way, it looks like they probably did. It's not a bad strategy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:17

No. It's a great strategy. We need some of those folks on the other side.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:20

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:22

So, anyway, we've got we've got an interesting 3 months ahead of us.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:27

Mhmm. But just just a couple quick comments about, majority. So there is a phrase called tyranny of the majority, and that reflects things like, mob rule, that lead to things like lynchings, that lead to things like, posse, that lead to things like, spontaneous, what do you call it when you get on your front of flash mob? Mhmm. So Mhmm. Our constitution is balanced by having the house represent the majority vote. Right? Because the house is proportional to the size of the state. California has the largest group of congressmen of any state because they have the largest population. New York has a big representation, as is Florida and Texas.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:20

And Ohio is way down there ranked by population, equal to you know, proportional to the number of congressmen. The senate, on the other hand, is set up to be a regulator on, the majority, and that's intentional. It's to slow things down, make things more deliberate by making every state get 2, senators, and therefore, each state has equal weight in the upper house. But in the lower house, it is majority rules. So that's a nice balance, and that's what the founding fathers had in mind in compromising between ruling by majority versus ruling by each of the former colonies, now states, having equal representation in the upper house. And so the electoral college system reflects that. So within each state, the majority rules that whoever whoever the most Californians vote for, Trump or Harris, will carry the day with that electoral college in California. So there is majority rule state by state, but then the electoral college votes, you know, in a different way, not by popular vote.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:43

And so I would just say people need to slow down and actually think about the rationale behind these compromises. Otherwise, states like Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, they will have a meaningless impact on the presidential election.

Brett Johnson [: 00:23:00

Yeah. Yeah. To put a little bit of, history perspective on that, you know, the electoral college is not a new idea. I mean, it was established in 17/87 to do just this and we didn't have the California's and the the large states at the time. So they were thinking way ahead. You know?

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:18

That's a great point, Brett.

Brett Johnson [: 00:23:20

So I mean, really

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:21

Yeah. Really phenomenal. It it reflects anybody who's read some of the dialogue even later in their years between Adams and Jefferson, they hate like, they were arch enemies, but later in life, they they sent letters back and forth. And it's really sort of fascinating stuff. I'm not gonna dig into it, but check it out. But, you know, they were had equal concerns going different directions. You know? It's like I think Adams was was, deathly afraid of this, of sort of the elites running the country. And, that's that's why we created this sort of check on the power balance, and it's what the electoral electoral college does.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:58

And I always find it interesting who is in favor of dismantling these types of protections. And if the purse if the person party entity, whoever, and is would benefit from dismantling these things, then I think you have to it it sort of it it itself ratifies and justifies why they are in place. So if the party in this situation, the Democratic Party, wants to have a popular vote, get rid of the electoral college, and you would say, well, it's because they're gonna win the election. Well, then you immediately understand why they wanna do that. And that is exactly why we shouldn't do it, because it gives them power. So, you know, it's it it it's like, this is why. Right. It's just what we have.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:46

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:47

Yeah. Brett said, it was, created in 17/87. That's the exact year the constitution was ratified.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:55

Yeah. Right. It's it's, you know, it's it's a con original. Yeah. If you're if you're gonna change this, this takes an amendment. It is a it's in the constitution. So it's not one of those things you could just ban around. And I'm learning from this.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:05

I mean, because I looked at it too. It's like, yeah. How can somebody win the popular vote but not the electoral, you know, electoral college vote? I've always thought I've talked about this with my wife as well too and it doesn't seem fair, but when you put it in perspective of the founding fathers, what they're thinking about, what they were trying to protect, there's there's some logic to this, and you have to let them absorb.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:24

It it sure is hell fair, if you're Rhode Island, Connecticut, or Delaware. Right? Right. Because the monster state back in 17/87 was Virginia.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:35

Sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:36

That's that that was the California back then.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:38

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:39

And and Ohio was part of Ohio's territory, if you will, you know, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. This entire area was subsumed by Virginia at the time. Not not a state yet, but it was, if you will, territory of the sovereign state of Virginia. So Oh. You know, and then we got carved up in separate states.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:03

Yeah. Yeah. In in my world, I deal with this issue in

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:07

a very

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:07

parallel and almost identical way where I often hear people say things like, well, these criminals, they have way too many rights. And, you know, there's this old accent in criminal defense. We'd rather let one guilty man go free than you know, you you wanna you'd you'd much rather have a guilty man go free than convict an innocent man. And the the way you do that is you create checks and balances and safeguards and right. You you create fairness in the system that sometimes leads to these results like an innocent or a guilty man goes free. But if as a result of him exercising his rights due to government overreach and getting away, it protects all the innocent people more so of getting wrongly convicted. You can't have a perfect system. We can't have a system where everybody is, in accord because that's not humanity at all, and it's certainly not our country.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:03

And our country was founded on diversity, not the diversity of the type we see politically thrown around today, but diversity of ideas where people can come together and say Virginia back in the day, and and, people can come together in Vermont, New Hampshire, or these smaller states, that are more rural. You know, you have or in in modern day, so we have Iowa versus New York or Ohio versus LA or California. You know, we have diverse ideas, and we can go live in different parts of the country and still have a federal government. If they do what they are intending to do, you were cramming down from above, a fascist. Now you use that term literally, a fascist ideal of what what you what the government thinks everything ought to be economically, culturally, and the like. And this is the danger of Kamala Harris' laundry list that you went through, Norm, is that it it basically creates a top down forced cultural, economic, and really, international policy.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:11

She's left the Bernie Sanders. A lot of these ideas are communism. The idea is that it's communism? Rebranded. Yeah. You, yeah, you have a guaranteed income that everybody else pays. You have a guaranteed job. So they're gonna find a place on some kind of collective labor, you know, farm, and they're gonna take people out of the inner city and send them to Iowa and Nebraska to work on, state farms. You know, like like like the Gulag Archipelago or something.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:41

I mean, I everybody has a job, everybody gets paid regardless of how hard you work, regardless of your work ethic. Everybody gets something from a socialist communist point of view. So what what or

Brett Johnson [: 00:28:59

are we looking at this? Did they even have to work for it though? Exactly. May I again, I don't know. I'm not trying to read her mind. I don't know where this is going. I hope oh, no. I don't hope any of this comes true, but it's I hope they are working for their money, not just sitting around getting it, and, you know, that sort of thing. But, yeah, it's like one of those, hey. You're you're a green card person.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:19

You're supposed to be working. Hop on the bus. We're taking your next job. You know, that yeah. It it it could turn into a dystopian world, you know, in the worst case scenario. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:29

And it will. Right? And this idea of the UBI, the universal basic income has been tried. It doesn't work. It is complete nonsense. It is theater to get votes or they really believe they can if, you know, this is like, Jordan Peterson. Says, if you think you're the one that can marshal in communism, because you've got it, do you understand it better than everybody who's ever tried before? It's like, what kind of person thinks that? Like, what kind of what kind of person thinks they can be the one to do it right this time? And I always say it's not like it didn't kill 300,000,000 people last century, except it did. You know? It's like it it results in all sorts of things. Like, because, Brett, to your point, so you're not working, and you should be working.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:10

Wait a minute. You say you're sick, but you're not really sick. Yeah. Well, yes. I mean, look. I still get my money. I still have my job. So people just start going through the motions.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:18

Other people will get pissed off. And, you know, eventually, if the cause isn't the individual human or the individual becomes this greater utopian existence, then one day will come. Well, then it gets really easy just to kill people

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:33

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:33

And say, well, you're out.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:34

But you're not like minded.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:36

Yeah. I could potentially even make the union I've didn't I don't really have anything against unions. I understand the concept and why they exist. There are good ones and bad ones, but it could actually increase the power of unions as well if you think about it. You know, the the unions will enforce it. We'll give them the power to

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:54

enforce that. You're in and if you could read the history of Marxism as it developed in Italy, that's exactly where they started to attack or they they started to infiltrate. Yeah. And, you know, we won't go into all that, but it's it's great history, and there's some good books on it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:07

Yeah. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:07

I have

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:08

some Yeah. Well the

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:11

the idea of as you talked about in criminal defense, the idea of frontier justice is when the majority mob says, hey, Clem. Go get a rope. There's an oak tree over there. We all know that, you know, Terry, murdered, Bill, and we don't need no damn trial. You know, we the the the a 100% of the townspeople here say that he's guilty, so let's just go hang old Terry. Well, I mean, that's what you'll have with majority rule. And and, it'll be effectively the same thing, except it'll be about all kinds of policies that absolutely strip individuals of their freedom and their rights because the majority will decide we want it this way. And we're a country our constitution is for if you read the bill of rights, it's about individual rights.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:07

It's not about the rights of the majority.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:10

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:12

And, Norm, they don't use the word majority anymore. They use the word consensus. So we have climate consensus.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:19

Consensus. Okay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:20

So that's And and this is not by mistake. This is not by mistake. And and Oh, no. You know, anybody who's ever studied the scientific method knows how ass backward that is because the scientific method is you take the consensus and test the crap out of it until you force it to fail. You test it until failure, then you go back and reevaluate the hypothesis and start over. Just because I say it is and I and, 500 people agree with me, doesn't make it so. And in fact, this is there's there's examples of this time and time again throughout history, not the least of which is the flat earth. So Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:55

It, consensus and majorities aren't always right except in,

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:00

who

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:01

wants to be a millionaire.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:03

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:03

When they So when they when they would when they would take the, audience poll.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:06

They said

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:07

They were usually right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:08

There you go. So so let me let me take this, majority idea and turn it into, news in here in Ohio. So on our ballot this November, have the voters the voters just on the in the previous election approved a, a commission for redistricting. 70% of Ohioans voted in favor of a new commission that would be made up of equal parts, Republicans and Democrats. So no longer would it be who whatever ruling power, whatever ruling party, is happens to be in office would have the majority of the people on the on the commission. The new voter approved commission is equal r and d, and they are elected officials. On our ballot in November, right after the voters just approved that now because, again, majority rules, 51%, you get a new, you get a new amendment to Ohio's constitution or, some kind of, referendum. On the ballot this November, we'll be getting rid of that commission, the one that was just approved by the voters.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:25

The voters will have a chance to get rid of that, and in its place, have a commission made up of 100% citizens, none of which can be office holders, none of which can be lobbyists, and none of which can be government workers. So, with those provisos, I don't know how they'll be selected, but it it apparently, a system will be set up, and it'll be, it'll be strictly, private citizen. So there's another way that the mob can rule If if the voters approve that, 51% of the mob votes for it, it's in. And then you've got unelected people. So they're not representing Cincinnati or Dayton or Yellow Springs, Ohio or Lima or wherever. It's just gonna be citizens who decide what the congressional and the state, district boundaries are gonna be. And this is being led by the former supreme court justice, Maureen O'Connor, who's the one that kept turning down every proposal that Frank LaRose and the and the, Ohio ballot board was sending to the Ohio Supreme Court. He turned down 3 or 4 plans in a row.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:48

So she she definitely has, some sort of, this is her pet project, apparently.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:56

Well, look. I always ask these questions when I when I evaluate a witness, when I evaluate, something as far as in in a trial. Like, what's really to be gained? What would the why if this witness is lying, what's to be gained? And usually, you can backfill or back into whether the person is actually lying or not. And, you know, I'm not calling anybody a liar here, but you can usually expose motives this way. It's like, think it out. If this happens, then what occurs next and what lever of power is created for somebody? And who is that somebody? What is that what entity is that somebody? And then you can really start to expose motives of people. And once you have the motives exposed, you have a whole different viewpoint on on what they're trying to do. And, you know, there there's a supreme court case.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:44

I don't remember it exactly. It's it goes way back. The the old trope is the cross examination is the greatest legal engine ever discovered for, or the greatest legal engine for the discovery of the truth ever created for the discovery of the truth. And the point is, like, in cross examination, it exposes motives. It exposes people's, true intent. And we need to cross examine. We need to force a discussion about why people are wanting to do this. And disbanding the electoral college, disbanding the senate.

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:13

What's the motive? Well, it would just so happen to give the people who want to do those things a whole crapload of power, and it would basically relegate anybody who disagrees to the gulags. And, I say that metaphorically and with some degree of I I understand that's a it's a it's a hyperbole, but it is a, if you don't agree with the mob and the mob has plenary power, what do you think is gonna happen? They're gonna drag in front of Roy Bean, and you're convicted, and you're done.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:43

Yeah. Yeah. Another another ballot another election thing, is is really hot in Ohio. So you guys probably saw where a federal judge, I believe in Cleveland, has blocked Ohio's ballot, law. The the new the new ballot law, which the part that was struck down, at least, put into, temporary hold, is the, part that allows brothers, sisters, parents, and grandparents of a person who is unable to, send in or to go to a booth and vote, to, handle their mail in ballot. And it was struck down by the judge because he felt or she felt that there were not enough other people named like grandchildren or nursing home employees or social workers, added to that list. Instead, it's parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters, and sons and daughters, but not grandchildren, and so struck it down. Now what's interesting is the National Council of Legislators, put out a response to this decision, and there are 31 states in the United States that do not allow anybody, including brothers, sisters, parents, sons, daughters, grandparents, etcetera, They don't allow anybody to handle the ballot.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:26

The mail in ballot can only be, turned in by the voter, him or herself. Yet Ohio has more people that can help, and that got struck down, whereas the other states like Arkansas, Alabama, where nobody can help you, those are still standing. So this is, I guess, the beauty, Steve would say, of our federal court system that we have different district courts and different appellate circles that, disagree with each other. So it it has to be sorted out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:59

Yeah. So from a from a legal standpoint, what happens is this. There are different ways a case can matriculate up to, the or the US Supreme Court, and one is you just have a really significant issue the Supreme Court wants to take on and another. Sometimes that is defined by the fact that we have a split of authority within the federal districts, and the highest court has to decide it. And this will eventually make its way up, and the US Supreme Court will determine this. But what's unique about this, though, and I'm no election lawyer, but, you know, the states are the ones that have the power to determine how they handle the electoral process. It's left to the individual states. So the question becomes, do we want the federal government dictating that? And I would say, typically, or as a practical matter, no freaking way.

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:49

We don't want a congressional act on how all states should conduct their elections. I think that should be a local state decision. On the other hand, the US Supreme Court may be deciding some more significant issues related to individual rights surrounded or, pertaining to voting. So it's gonna be an interesting legal chronology as these cases get decided. And again, you would say, like, what what's really going on? Why are we trying to do this? Why would anybody care about delivering votes? And when you start speculating or hypothesizing about the answers to those questions, I think you're gonna expose some motives. I

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:31

am. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because at a nursing home, you could have a crooked social worker or crooked, you know, candy striper, you know, going around and having little Helen and little Henrietta and and little Ellen or whoever they're, you know, the you got a 100 little old ladies and and a couple of men because the men have all died. So you got a couple of 100 little old ladies in a nursing home, and, you know, you have somebody who is, basically ballot harvesting, going in there and just voting who they want and in the name of helping somebody else. And that's why Ohio passed that law was to make sure only relatives of the person could handle that ballot, not not outside people.

Brett Johnson [: 00:42:17

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:17

Yep. So it's like the electro I had a friend of mine who was electrician one time. He goes, yeah. The electric code is written in blood. And what he meant is, like, every single thing in there that seems ridiculous or, like, these little, I don't know, tiny little regulations about how you have to do something, That resulted from somebody getting hurt at one point or another by doing that thing or not doing that thing. And here, clearly, this is designed to attack ballot harvesting that was disingenuous. So look, on its face, if I'm in a nursing home, and I want my everyday care worker to deliver my boat because I don't have any family left or whatever it is, or my family won't do it for me, or for whatever reason, they can't at that time. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:01

That sounds like that's a perfectly legitimate request. But at the same time, it is also perfectly illegitimate that the care worker at the nursing home is going around to people who are essentially, call them less than competent, or they don't care who they vote for anymore, and they're just saying, here. Vote. Check this. I'm gonna take care of this for you. You should vote. Or not even tell them and just do it. It's like you can see both sides of that equation.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:28

And, now can it be fixed with a law? I don't know. But you can under at least understand the motive behind it on both sides.

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:34

Yeah. And I can see the extreme of the states. They don't don't even allow family members to do it. Family members do the same thing. I mean, come on. Not all families agree on politics. So if they have an opportunity to fill in grandpa's ballot and we don't see it eye to eye. You see red, I see blue.

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:49

I'm gonna fill in blue because grandpa can't can't see or whatever.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:52

Yeah. I

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:53

I yeah. There again, it's but that thing's perfect like you said before, Steve. There's no system that's perfect. So, there was no system. Think that family would be the best way to handle this. I mean, it seems like a compromise. It's you know, if if you have to have something yeah. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:09

Wow.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:09

Yeah. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:10

I agree. Well, at least You're not at least there's it's like yeah. Yeah. For all the reasons you're talking. I don't need to say anymore about it. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:17

There's a there there was a pretty cool decision, regarding the ATF from a federal district judge in Texas. He knocked down the ATF's ban on these, what what they're called, forced reset triggers. These devices that you can put on a semiautomatic gun, okay, that allow the trigger to, recock itself very quickly. And the f b or the ATF declared those trigger devices to be machine guns under the National Firearms Act in 1938. And, a federal court just struck that down, not under second second amendment, reasons Yeah. But struck it down because it was an unconstitutional, taking of congressional power by the administration, by the executive branch Yeah. That, you know, it was legislation that defined what a machine gun was and that the ATF had exceeded that definition and decided on its own like they did with bump stocks that, you know, hey. This this is, a machine gun when it's not a machine gun.

Steve Palmer [: 00:45:36

Yeah. This is this is this is, what I think saves the country ultimately, guys. I mean, this is where it's not a second amendment issue even though it's sort people think it is. And just like with bump stocks, what happens is the ATF interprets its own rules and regular or in legislative branch says you can't have machine guns, and they define what a machine gun is. ATF then writes a bunch of rules interpreting what that means, so they reinterpret bump stocks to mean machine guns. And the US Supreme Court, I can't remember the name of the case as I'm sitting here at mid Ohio in my camper, but the Supreme Court basically says that's a bridge too far. You you can't cram this definition into the statutory scheme. And this is sort of part and parcel with the Chevron issue that everybody's been talking about.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:21

These administrative agencies have grown to such, leviathanithic my word, I made it up, power based on the Hobbes' Leviathan. But, leviathanithic power that they can just do whatever the hell they want, and ATF is doing this. And so what happens is one regime comes in, regime by camp, or one party comes in who's anti gun. So they're gonna start saying, alright, ATF. You sit under the executive branch. I want you to find ways to get rid of these devices. So they have somebody smart in their system that says, alright. We'll just interpret this rule or create a rule that calls this a machine gun under the Federal Firearms Act, and therefore, we'll get rid of them.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:01

And, really, there is a way to get rid of them. You just have congress, pass a law, and then the law can be tested against the second amendment. But what they've done is they've rewritten a rule to say this is what it is and we don't, and this fits within the congressional law. And the courts are now in in the wake of Chevron and these other decisions saying, look, irrespective of the second amendment, you don't have the power to do this. You're and we're not saying you can't do it. We're not saying congress can't do it or the exec the legislative branch can't do it, but you cannot.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:33

Mhmm.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:34

And go back to the drawing board. And if congress back to our original conversation here, which is sort of the theme of the day, people can vote on this. There are representatives in our government that can voice their concerns. They can call witnesses to testify in the congressional floor, and everybody gets to hear why you're doing this. This is the beauty of the congressional process that we have abandoned over the years by giving deference under Chevron to administrative executive branches of government that can just basically do with a pen what they can't do on the floor of congress. And this the courts now, based on based on, these new and frankly not novel ideas, are saying you can't do it. Sorry. Yep.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:21

And we'll get to the second amendment issues when we need to. But, right, not yet. You can't do it for other reasons.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:28

Good. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:29

Interesting. So

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:31

if, couple couple quick supreme court things here in Ohio. So the supreme court in Ohio is taking up a criminal case against a man who poured, and I know we're all pet lovers here. We're animal lovers. This guy, apparently a feral cat, kept coming in his yard, and he poured bleach on this cat, which I'm sure killed it or caused a great pain and suffering. And, basically, if you do that to a pet, it's a felony in Ohio. And what is left unresolved apparently is whether or not you can do something horrible like torture a feral animal. And I I don't know all the laws about that, but, apparently, that issue has risen to the Ohio Supreme Court, and they're going to address cruelty to feral animals by, you know, citizens? Can you can you do things like pour bleach on a cat for god's sakes, which I can't imagine anybody it was, you know, whatever.

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:36

I I haven't read I I haven't read the briefs on this case, but I suspect it's one of those cases that sounds like offensively horrible because factually, it is. Who wants to pour bleach on a feral cat and kill it that way? But it probably has some constitutional overtones. Like, how is the law defined as what is abuse? Yeah. And what is an animal and what is a pet? And, you know, I I'm guessing, guys, and I'll do a breakdown on it maybe next week, but, I I'm guessing it has something to do with the definitional structure in the statute, not

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:08

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:09

Saying that you have a right to go abuse and torture animals. And then, you know, you could even take that further. It's like if I kill an animal with an arrow, is that less abusive? It's a feral animal. Is that less abusive, than doing it with a gun or vice versa? And then how do you how do you carve out those exceptions? So this is probably something sort of like the gun issue. It's got that sort of shiny lure of a of, interest, but it's probably sort of a, not boring to me, but probably a boring under underlying issue about, the constitutionality of the statute. Is it vague? Is it overbroad? Is the definitional structure there? And, ultimately, the resolution for things like this is exactly what we just talked about. You gotta send it back to the legislative floor, send it to the general assembly and say, write a law, damn it, and and make it fit. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:55

Yeah. It even has a little

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:56

bit of

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:56

test that one.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:57

Yeah. It even has a little bit of property rights intonation to it. Sure. If if they let's say the feral cat was doing damage to his property. You know

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:05

what I mean? Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:06

Yeah. Otherwise, no. I mean, otherwise, we'd be killing animals like crazy on our, you know, property, whatever. But it's like if it was causing damage, you know, monetary damage. Okay. But no. Yeah. You're right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:16

It has that China

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:17

kicking off a coyote in your backyard Right. Any worse Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:21

Or better Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:22

Is killing, groundhogs that are burrowing under the foundation of your outbuilding as people live in the country tend to do.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:29

Obviously Is

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:30

that worse?

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:30

Yeah. Obviously, he was totally pissed off at this cat, bleached it. I mean, because you could trap it and set it go and take it 50 miles away, and it will never come back, you know.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:40

So Is this a hate crime against a feral cat? Right? So you have

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:43

to define the law.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:44

Right. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:45

Define the law. But

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:47

Yeah. Because you could easily I mean, we you trap things all the time to get them off your property, and you take it 25 miles away. And and and that's a humane way to do it, and you you do it. You know, that sort of thing. But, yeah, obviously, he's not happy with this cat. Yeah. Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:00

Or or, Brett, what what we do out in the country is we kill it and eat it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:52:04

Well, if if you want a feral cat on the feral cat on the barbie, that's a different thing. Exactly. I don't I don't know what the taste of that would be.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:11

But but look, guys, with that one, we gotta wrap it up. Norm, do you have one more?

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:17

Yeah. Just real quickly. These are interesting FOP, decisions on endorsement. So this is the state of Ohio's FOP, not our friend Brian Steele and his, his local, lodge, but the entire state FOP has a system for endorsing candidates. For the first time, they are not endorsing Sherrod Brown, but they're not endorsing Bernie Moreno for senate either. But they're ticked at Sherritt because in the wake of that Columbus incident where the police officer shot the knife wielding young black girl who was attacking the other black girl with with this deadly knife waving it, you know, as if she was going to stab her, and he he shot and killed her. That was the same day of the George Floyd verdict against, the police officer. And in on that same very sensitive day, Sherrod Brown texted, or posted on Twitter something to the effect that that girl should still be alive today, implying that the police officer did something wrong by saving the life of the other black girl.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:32

You know? Mhmm. Yeah. So the FOB was pretty ticked off about that. The other thing, they are not endorsing Steve Deters, who was a former prosecutor and is running for another seat in the on the Ohio, Supreme Court because of his prosecution of that University of Cincinnati policeman who stopped the motorist. And then when the motorist started to drive away, claimed that he was being dragged or something, and he shot and killed that motorist. And, ultimately, all the charges were dropped, but Steve, mister went after that guy, I think, twice. Indicted him twice, went after him twice, and they and they it didn't hold up in court. But the FOP was ticked about that as well.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:20

So he no endorsement for him.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:22

Now what date was that that the, the the policeman shot, the the young lady with the knife? Did you did your research show that? What date that was?

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:30

It's the same the same day the George Floyd verdict

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:33

came down. Gotcha. Because I know

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:35

So what was was that, like, 3 years ago or something?

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:38

You know, I gotta look at this old, lawyer talk episode up because that that day, you guys broke that video down on the podcast.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:45

Yeah. We did. Yeah. That might be worthy of a posting.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:48

It was a really good breakdown of it, honestly, because it was almost real time Yeah. To a certain degree. Yeah. I'll look that up.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:54

Yeah. We ought to, we ought to

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:56

do that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:56

But Anyway Well, look, guys. I gotta get back to my, other life here as much as I make podcasting and Common Sense Ohio important. I've got other things I gotta do, and I'm sure Norm's down racing, and I'm up watching motorcycles. Brett, you've got your own business, But a couple of closing comments. Common Sense Ohio, we do this for the people. I don't mean to be I don't I don't mean to be over melodramatic, but we do it because we like it. We do it because we, wanna have common sense discussions. We don't always say everything correctly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:28

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Steve Palmer [: 00:56:07

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