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Hitchhiking Across the USA with Jonathan Wiest
Episode 58 • 2nd September 2026 • onefjef • Jef Taylor
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I met Jonathan Wiest in a dysfunctional Spanish class in Mexico city, soon after he hitchhiked from the Texas border to Vancouver with $500 and a sign reading "north and west." We talk about what he found — conspiracy theories, roadside prayers, a truck named "Murdered," and a lot of friendly people stuck in an unfriendly country.

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If you do it again, you should wear L- you should play up the German

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thing, like wear lederhosen and shit

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or whatever.

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Or dress in a Nazi outfit, either one.

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Either one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And both would work probably.

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Yeah.

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One of the- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I hitchhiked across the US in a Nazi outfit.

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Oh.

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That'd be a story right

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there.

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In six days.

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Right, right,

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right,

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right.

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Would've been quicker, but yeah, I don't know.

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Uh.

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This is episode 58 of onefjef.

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onefjef

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to podcast.

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Hello, my friends.

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Hola, mis amigos.

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How are you?

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¿Qué onda?

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The word onda in Spanish means wave or vibe, and I like that.

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Me gusta la buena onda.

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As always, I hope you're thriving, and I think you are.

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I do.

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I am, too.

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Now that the oral surgery is over or, uh, mostly over, I have to go

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tomorrow to get the stitches out, which also sounds horrible, but after

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what I've been through, it's not.

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Hopefully.

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Hopefully.

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I've started eating some solid foods again, which is exciting

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because I have been hungry.

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Hungry

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I did have a Dairy Queen Blizzard for the first time, uh, since

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I was a kid a few days ago, and it honestly wasn't that good.

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All the toppings were, like, on the top, and I thought the whole Blizzard

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thing was that it was blended up, right?

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Like a blizzard.

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Was that me?

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Maybe I misremembered it, or maybe it's just not in Mexico

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Anyway, I ate it all because I was hungry, remember?

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But I digress.

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I have a guest on the podcast today, and that guest is Jonathan Wiest.

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Oh, Jonathan Wiest.

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What a wonderful quest.

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A German on wheels heading straight to the West.

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He hitchhiked up

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You might remember Jonathan from the voice messages he sent earlier this summer as

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he hitchhiked across the United States.

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I played them on the podcast here.

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And today, Jonathan is on the podcast to talk about this hitchhiking adventure of

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his, which is quite a ride, pun intended.

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So buckle up.

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Hmm, not that one.

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He had some truly incredible interactions with Americans of all sorts on his

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journey, and I think you're gonna enjoy hearing about it, whether

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you're from the United States or not.

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Before we get to that, might I take a moment to politely ask

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you to please support the podcast by joining the Patreon page?

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Yes, I might.

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Please go to patreon.com/onefjef and sign up either as a paid member or as a free

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member, and I will be eternally grateful.

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I'll be more grateful for the paid member, obviously, but, you know.

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Patreon.com/onefjef.

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Muchas gracias.

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As always, thank you for listening.

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Thank you for being here.

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Here's Jonathan Wiest talking about going back to his homeland

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I touched European soil again in Paris on the 25th.

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I started in Paris and I will end in Paris again, which is nice

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September?

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Yeah.

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And then I will hitchhike or take the bus to Berlin Which is like 16

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hours by bus, hitchhiking, but I have family on my way there, so let's see.

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But I'm, I, I, I don't know about hitchhiking.

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I have too much luggage.

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I bought so many, so much stuff, stuff here in thrifts,

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in thrift stores in Canada.

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Right, moderately more difficult to hitchhike when you have all that luggage.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, thanks for coming on the old podcast.

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Yeah, cheers.

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I'm very excited, actually.

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It's my first interview or ish thing, iffy thing I ever had in my life.

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Oh, really?

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Not even a job interview.

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Oh.

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But…

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Well, don't, um, don't fuck it up, man.

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No, I, I, I, I won't.

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You can count on me.

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So Jonathan Wiest, uh, we met in Spanish class in one of the most unhinged

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Spanish classes I think either one of us has taken- Yeah … in our lives.

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With Andrea.

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Um, with Andrea, the crazy woman from Austin, and then there was

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an autistic chi- man in there who, uh, held up the works.

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And then there was, uh, yeah, it was a whole cavalcade, and I remember,

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um, I think it was the day we became friends, y- we were both laughing

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hysterically at whatever was going on in the fucking class at the time.

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Who knows what?

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I f- it was one day that was particularly unhinged, and you just looked at me.

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You just looked.

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You just, like, looked over at me.

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Help me.

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Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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And then afterwards you were like, "I think we're the only two

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sane people in that whole class."

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Yeah, kind of.

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Anyway, that's how we met, and then, like about a week later, you got

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on a bus from Mexico City, and, uh, was it 24 hours, 25 hours to- Yeah

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Laredo?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 24, 20 f- I don't know, but more than 20.

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And I think it, I don't know, almost 30.

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I, it took me a long time to, the bus finally crossed the border.

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So then you get to Laredo, Texas, and you, well, you're, you decided to, what,

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hitchhike from, uh… I mean, tell me.

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Tell me what your, what your plan was here.

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Well, I never actually intended to go up north.

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I wanted to travel through South America, but halfway through I realized,

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actually in Bolivia, uh, one of the only places who, which isn't super

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Americanized, but I think the US never really got a hood, a foothold in Bolivia.

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I realized if I want to understand South America, the current state of

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South America, I need to go up and cross the border into the US eventually.

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And then from there on, my plans evolved and I figured… And I also

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knew I have family in Vancouver, and I could technically earn money here

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in Vancouver and extend my trip.

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Um, and I had no apartment back home.

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It kinda all s- it was a good fit, and then I decided, yeah, okay, fuck

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it, I'm gonna hitchhike through the US because I thought, well, I knew…

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Well, the US is a pretty car-centered place, and I wanted to get a snapshot

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of the US, and I figured every person has to- go through a gas truck from

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every social background, from every socioeconomic background you can imagine.

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Right.

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For

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sure.

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And therefore I decided, okay, fuck it, I will hitchhike through the US.

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No money on accommodation, transportation, so I get… I wanted it all.

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Yeah.

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And then why my plan was originally, what I figured is I, I had two options.

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I could take a bus from Mexico City to California and then go up the West Coast.

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Straight shot, that would've been the obvious from, like, would've been, I

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don't know, only three states, though.

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Yeah,

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but that's not the Unit- that's not the United States, though.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That would've been, like, the quickest route.

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I thought of that for a second, but actually I'd never really thought of that.

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And after, after I… Well, I decided, okay, I want to, I

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wanted to see Bible Belt America.

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Mm-hmm.

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The real America, they say.

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The

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real America, they say, yeah.

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I, but I honestly, I didn't really plan anything.

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I had, um, a mattress, a, like a sleeping mattress I bought for two US

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dollars in Bolivia, a sleeping bag.

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That was, that was about it.

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I had 500 euros in my bank account.

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Um, I couldn't, even if I wanted to, I couldn't have, I didn't have the

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ability to afford places to stay.

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Right.

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Well, a fucking motel in the US is $100, so.

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No, it's crazy.

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Yeah,

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yeah,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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You had been, have you been to the States before?

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I've been once.

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I've been, my m- um, four years ago I did an, well, I visited my family in Vancouver

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for, uh, a couple months, and my aunt took me to a wedding of far away descendants

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of mine to Temecula, California.

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But that wasn't- Oh, right … that was short in and out.

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But even- Right … back then I was really, really happy when I was in

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my plane on my way back to Vancouver.

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Really happy.

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So what did you, what were your, uh, what were you expecting?

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Like, what were, what was your, I guess, expectation before you went,

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before you started hitchhiking?

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Were there any preconceived ideas that you had in your head about how this is

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gonna be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?

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Um.

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Were you scared?

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Were you worried?

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No.

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Yeah.

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Good, it's a good question, actually.

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What, like, I knew that the USA is gonna be a fucking … Everybody warned me.

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W- the e- everybody thought I'm naive.

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Everybody said, "Don't do that."

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Yeah.

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And when I did- I

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didn't say don't do that.

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I just said

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be careful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I, I, I had to … I wouldn't say that I was anxious.

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I had respect.

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I had respect of what was going on in the US.

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Yes.

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I was assuming something really bad.

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And in the end it turned out to be even worse.

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But I was expecting confused people.

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I was expecting a, a country … I wasn't expecting the best, honestly.

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Right.

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Which probably was for my own good.

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Sure.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Honestly, I had no clue.

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I had no clue where I was going, so I couldn't really … I didn't

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s- I didn't spend much time.

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I wanted, I wanted to understand where I'm going.

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Though I was biased, I was biased.

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I, I really- Of course.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Everybody's biased, right.

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But yeah.

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So you get to Laredo.

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Mm. You get to Laredo, Texas.

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And, uh, g- walk me through it.

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What, uh … Where do you stay your first night when you,

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when you get to Laredo, Texas?

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Uh, well, I went across the border and then into Laredo.

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Um, found myself a guest, guest stop.

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I actually, the beginning was fairly good, honestly.

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Like, I had, people were surprised.

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Most of, most of them never saw a hitchhiker-

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Uh-huh

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… down in Laredo in their life, especially a person who's trying to

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go all the way to fucking Vancouver.

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Right.

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People paid for drinks.

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I earned some money that day.

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Didn't really got a ride, and then I had my first ride in the US.

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With, uh, you know, it was a construction guy who actually…

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It was a crazy first ride.

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It was, like, a, a Texan guy who off- even offered me to work at his

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farm for a couple- … uh, days.

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He eventually never did.

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He just pulled over to a gas station and kicked me out because he called

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his wife and his wife said no.

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His wife got scared.

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So I ended up sleeping in the back of a gas station the f- uh, on my first night.

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Oh, Jesus

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Christ.

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Um, around about, I don't know, 60 miles from, away from the border, so I made,

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I made some miles only with one ride.

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Right.

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I had my first beer in the US, which that guy offered me.

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He just, we just threw it out of the window.

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Was kinda, uh, cowboy style- Yeah

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… I

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would say.

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Does

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he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, no, but that was my first day.

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Wow, just drinking and driving.

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Drinking and-

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First day in America

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… drinking and driving in a broken truck, riding, riding,

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and listening to country music.

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I, I- Of course.

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Of course … I, I got, I got, I got the real America my first ride, I guess.

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I don't know.

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You, you really did get a certain part- … of America on that first ride right there.

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You got- Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I, I don't know if we want to go through, like, it, like, moment by moment,

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but do you want to tell me, like, just a, I guess, a general kind of highlights

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from the trip as you went through it?

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Or, like, lowlights even, the worst parts, the best parts,

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whatever it was as you went along?

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N- I, I, I would start with lowlights.

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There have been- Okay.

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… highlights.

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There have been highlights for sure, but mainly this was, uh, the entire

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trip basically was a long realization of that, that the US is more of a

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shithole than I even thought it is.

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So my, my, my lowlights, I, on multiple occasions I had goosebumps because people,

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uh, w- I remember one, one time actually, I tried to remember the details of it the

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other day and write it down even because it was such a impactful moment I had.

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I got dropped off in Oklahoma at a gas station, at a Valerio gas

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station, in the middle of litt- literally, literally bumshit nowhere.

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It was the woods.

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There was nothing besides this gas station.

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Right.

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And it was a rundown place run by an Indian guy, and I ended up talking to him.

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A- and he was super surprised with me being there and with me actually…

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I don't know, we had a chat, but what stuck, stuck, stuck with me, he, he

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was explaining how he experiences the B- Bible Belt America daily.

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I was just passing by.

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Yeah.

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And he said, he literally said to me, I still get, I, I have goosebumps right now.

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It was, I don't know if I can express the intensity of the sentence.

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Mm. But he was, he was saying to me, "You know, this is like fascism.

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You know you are German." And while I was standing there with him, we had multiple

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racist encounters towards him, and I was st- I was, the entire setting, this gas

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station in nowhere, an Indian guy working there, coming over from India, hoping for

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a better future And he obviously, like he w- he, he was obviously fooled by, um-

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Right,

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right

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and, and, i- like it was, it was a, I don't, I, I don't know if I can … It,

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it was sup- it was a very, I don't know-

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I get the gist.

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It was … Yeah.

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I get the gist.

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Yeah.

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He was, he was from India, though.

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He wasn't like Native American.

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No, yeah.

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He was from India.

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Yeah.

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He was from India.

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Yeah.

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It was very, yeah.

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That was a low light.

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What was another low light?

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But

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you liked the Indian guy.

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Like you, you seemed to connect with the guy at least,

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with the people- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, we had a nice cha- chat-

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Right

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… be- before the on- like the two days before that, I only spoke to

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people who believe in conspiracies, conspiracies theories and didn't

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really had a clue what was going on.

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He actually had.

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I, I wanna know how many people believe in, in conspiracy theories and it

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just- What kind of conspiracy theories did you hear when you were on the,

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like what were the craziest ones?

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Oh, everything.

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P- I, I, I realized something.

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People tend to actually have knowledge, but they can't connect the dots.

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They lack, uh, they lack critical thinking to a huge extent, and that just fill the

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voids with s- stories which are- Yeah, yeah, yeah … which never have really

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have been que- questioned or fact checked.

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I don't know.

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There have been, I heard conspiracy theories about 9/11- Sure,

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yeah … that this was a planned event.

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Yeah.

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Pretty classical stuff.

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Yeah.

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The aliens.

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But people just literally lost touch to reality to some extent.

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Like they literally- For sure … did.

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For sure.

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I would say if you are educated to some extent, it takes s- some time to acquire

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this much knowledge and, but, but history is just n- numbers and there's, it's more.

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You need to be able to wrap your mi- mind around it to actually understand the

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influence, influence those events have.

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I

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don't know.

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I think that s- I think that some people like have a certain amount of knowledge

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and then find the conspiracy theory more comforting than perhaps something else.

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Because if it's all a conspiracy, then the reason they're getting

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fucked is a conspiracy, right?

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Yeah.

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The reason their life sucks is a conspiracy.

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So it's much easier to lean into these things than it is to actually deal

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with the reality of maybe it's you.

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No, that's true.

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People also lack a huge, like they lack structural understanding of things,

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and that they, that this may is the cause for their hardship and not- Yeah

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the fact that they, that they ain't working hard enough.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Why did you get dropped off … Were you, so you're just in a, you're like

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getting a ride from somebody, and you, he was just like, "I'm gonna drop you off

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in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma"?

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Yeah.

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No, yeah.

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Wow.

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It was, it was a truck driver, one of the only trucks I took.

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He actually- He believed in hella conspiracies as well.

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I can't remember the details, but-

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Sure,

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sure, sure … I, I got in his truck, I said I'm German, and straight to Hitler.

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That was kinda the vibe.

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Well, you know, welcome to-

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Um … welcome to the United States of America.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he eventually, halfway through, figured, uh, he needs to turn right,

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and then I said, "Drop me off wherever."

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And he did.

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Ah, I see.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He literally did drop me off wherever.

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Yeah.

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It's in the woods in Oklahoma on Highway, on, on I-35.

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No

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idea.

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Um, close to the border to T- Texas.

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Okay.

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It was, uh, um… No, it wasn't.

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The, bad vibes, this place.

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Y- yeah, yeah.

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So how did you go about trying to get rides?

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You just walk up to people at a gas station and say- Uh,

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well, I, I had, I had different strategies.

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So in, in the beginning I thought, talking about what I n- how I perceived

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the US beforehand, I was, I was already aware that people probably are afraid

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of me, considering that everybody carries a gun and they haven't seen

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a hitchhiker in years, and, you know.

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So I- Mm-hmm … I figured I go to gas stations, give people a minute, and try

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to talk them into taking me somewhere.

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Um, worked fine in Texas.

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I did that basically all the way through, but, uh, through Texas,

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but past Texas I realized actually letting people decide on their own

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whether they want to stop or whether they don't, I have a more, a bigger

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chance, and also it's very exhausting.

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Right.

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Talking to people, you get d- you get, I don't know, you get very weird comments

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and stop, you stop believing in, in, in, in, in, I don't know, humanity.

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I don't fucking know.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You get, it's a very, it's a, it's like literally rejection therapy

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for hours if you get unlucky.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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S- but it also worked better, and after a while figured the best

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thing, so if anybody ever wants to go hitchhiking, go somewhere where there's

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a streetlight and put a, make up a sign with just an approximate direction.

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People within that minute saying, like, the, the human curiosity will win.

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They will roll down their window and at least ask you Or have a chat with you.

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Doesn't mean that they pick you up, but- Right … I had the best, it w- w- worked

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the best after I discovered that the street lights, they have the power to stop

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or don't or to roll down their window.

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Right.

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And you just try to look nice and presentable.

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Yeah.

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I, I- And y- … I paid a good amount of time in the US, and

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money too, to look presentable.

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I washed my clothes, cleaned my teeth, dressed up as good as I can

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because I didn't want to, to get mis- mistaken for a homeless person.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah.

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So y- you just held a sign up?

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It was just a sign?

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Yeah.

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I, I still have it in my diary.

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I, I basically all I did, I have two words in my diary.

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It's north and west.

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That's all I did.

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North and west, and I think once I did a certain city because

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I needed to go somewhere.

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But besides I, north and west, that's what… But I only

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went north and west highways.

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It's e- ev- everything, like, I don't know, the entire fucking

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w- USA is designed in squares, so north and west works everywhere.

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In that area for sure, essentially,

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yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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W- um, d- you said most people gave you money and didn't actually give you a ride.

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Yeah, most people … Well, as I said, I entered the US with 500 U- Yeah

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U- like, I don't know, in US, maybe 600 US dollars.

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Right, must've

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been.

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I left, I left the USA with more than I started.

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Like, I, I did the math.

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People must have spent- Total in America … more than $2,500

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on me.

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In cash alone I got 700.

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Wow.

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600. Well,

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well

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done.

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Like, some t- like, some days I earned, like, I think on average

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I earned, like, 70 bucks a day.

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Wow, well done.

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Some days … Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Maybe you can do, I mean, you're making more money maybe doing that than doing,

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uh- My, my- … at the restaurant … my dishwasher shift.

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Yeah.

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Right, right,

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right.

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Actually, I thought about this a couple of times.

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Maybe I should quit and go back.

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Professional hitchhiker, right.

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Just, just go all around the country pretending to hitchhike

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and keep getting money.

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And presenting a good story.

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Right, right.

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Be like, "I got, I got a million dollars."

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I got a mil- yeah.

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Put it on

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Instagram

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or

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TikTok.

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From dishwasher, from dishwasher to trumper, yeah, hitchhiker.

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Yeah, put a TikTok or something.

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Mm. Um, was anybody mean to you?

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Or people, like, yelling at you or no?

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Yes?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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More passive aggressive.

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The other day I asked somebody, "Yo," talking somebody into

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taking me, "Yo," um, whatever.

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Yeah.

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Told him a quick story, give him a quick, "Yo, I'm a bl- a little,"

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I usually just said, "Yo, I'm a little German kiddo trying to go

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from blah, blah, blah to Vancouver."

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Right.

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Uh, and I've, I'm coming from Sao Paulo.

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I try to b- uh, exaggerate a bit in a short amount of time and present

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them, I don't know, try to make it interesting- Yeah, yeah … that they

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get a, that, that they benefit from taking me eventually as well, too.

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Right, to get a story.

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Yeah, and this guy was like, "Yeah, well, give me a second.

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I go and buy something and think about it." And then he went out, walked

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past me, and just looked back to me and was like, "Nah, you may murder

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me." He, but, but this also sums up, the people were generally scared.

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Yeah.

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People insulted me sometimes.

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They didn't really know what was going on.

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But in general, I got w- or to, to be honest, I don't

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wanna only shit talk the USA.

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Right.

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I had worse experiences here in Canada and in Germany.

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Like, I, I, I, like, in, like, the middle finger I got more often in Germany

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and in Italy than I got in the USA.

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Interesting.

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So people ignored me.

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People were scared.

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People were, but not mean, but al- also- I wouldn't, uh … It was,

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um, I made it through the years in 18 days because I'm a white man.

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Right, right.

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And that, like, people picked me up because of that.

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If I would've been anything else- Right, right … I would've had a

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very, very different story to tell.

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Yes, absolutely.

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So- Yeah … people, people … Actually, I … People

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pulled over and prayed for me.

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People-

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Did they, like, lay hands on you?

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Yeah.

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They, they laid- One, one day a kid in Ok- in Oklahoma, that was a thing.

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Multiple people said, like, "Yo, can I pray for you?" I was like, "Oh, yeah,"

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and they probably went home and did so.

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But one time, like, the, uh, the kid actually pulled over, put

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his hand, hand on my shoulder and went on for a good minutes.

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Like, he was asking to send good Christians my way, and actually five

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minutes later, two people pulled over and I earned 40 bucks each.

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Or th- Wow … I don't know, let it be 20, but it was a good amount of money I

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earned th- through him praying for me.

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And other people- It was Jesus, yeah … seeing it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Praise the Lord.

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Huh.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What, what was the longest ride somebody gave you?

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Oh, Kim.

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Well, Kim was awesome.

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Kim was so awesome.

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Um, um, I think she picked, might have picked me up shortly, like

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6- 60 miles, like in the Dakotas- Mm-hmm … by, by Sioux Falls.

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Okay.

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And she took me all the way to Idaho.

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That's

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a long way.

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All the way to Idaho, yeah.

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I, I, yeah.

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To d- Devil's Dunes, Idaho, where she … I spent the f- I

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spent the 4th of July with her.

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She took me, she invited me For the 4th of July riding her side-by-sides

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in the biggest dunes you can legally ride with a side-by-side.

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In the USA.

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That's some shit you ca- definitely can't do in Euro- we don't got the space.

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We don't got space like that.

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Well,

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like a dune buggy.

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That's right.

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You're talking about.

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Yeah, a dune buggy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A dune buggy.

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A, a 120,000 US dollar toy.

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Well, that's fun.

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Yeah, that's, that was fun.

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She was- Well- And she, we had a very, very interesting, interesting time.

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I spent four days with her, I think.

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Wow.

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And she picked me up.

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I fall asleep in her truck right away because I was super tired.

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I often I didn't really slept sometimes.

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Right.

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Not for like for, I didn't sleep for two days because it was either too dangerous,

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or I didn't find a spot, or it was, there was a thunderstorm or whatever.

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Right.

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But I was super tired at that, that day.

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I don't remember why.

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I think I saw some thunderstorm in the night before.

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And I just fall asleep.

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We didn't really had a talk.

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She pick… Oh, this, ha, ha, it, it makes it even better.

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You know, I was sitting at the entrance to I-90, which is the highway which

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goes from New York up until Seattle.

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Mm-hmm.

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And somewhere in no man's land, there was only a gas station relatively

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close by, but I didn't want to talk.

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I was too tired, so I just- Mm … sat at this entrance.

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And then she pulled up in a Ford F-350- … with the biggest wheels you can get.

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I think this car is illegal in Germany.

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I- I've never saw that in Germany.

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With a, with a trailer.

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Yeah.

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And in that trailer was, like, a, a full-on apartment, plus

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her fucking side-by-side.

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It was huge.

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Yeah.

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And the license plate says, said, "Murdered," and she had a cat and

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Brody, uh, her little dog in the front.

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Everything had a name.

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The car was obviously called Murdered.

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The trailer had a name.

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The buggy had a name.

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It was a crazy lady, but she brought me all the way to Idaho, all the way.

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How old?

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How old was she?

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70, 70 something.

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Wow.

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70 something, and she was, she was going, like, apparently

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she goes there f- quite often.

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Her husband died recently, and she just wanted to get a day off

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of her kids who basically live off her credit card, she told me.

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Um, yeah.

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She, she's an, she was annoyed by her kids.

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But I don't know.

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I, I had an, I had a blast with Kim.

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It was, it was very interesting.

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It was, I don't know.

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And she let you stay at her house?

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In her c- trailer, yeah.

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Like always, I had the best chance in the US with middle-aged woman- Yeah,

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yeah,

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yeah … who took me under the, her wing, and she did so.

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Well, well, I, I d- don't say no.

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She paid for everything.

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She even p- offered me to pay for a flight from Idaho to Vancouver.

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Wow.

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But I think she was touched by me.

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We were talking a lot about the, the world, what I think about

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the world, how I view the world.

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And for her, I think that was interesting because her world

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seemed to be kind of small, like-

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I'm sure

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it is

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for most, for most Americans.

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And I st- told her stuff she never heard before.

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Mm.

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When I left, she told me, "Yo…" I actually wrote her a letter when I left.

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I forgot to ask for her contact.

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I will never see this lady again probably.

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Huh.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I have, I don't know, maybe I find the letter somewhere.

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I, I think I copied it- Yeah

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because I found it funny that I'm writing a 70-year-old a letter.

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Yeah.

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But I wanted to give her something back for paying.

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She paid for everything for four days.

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But she, she, she said, "Yo, you're such a, one of the most neat," I think

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you say neat, "kids I ever met in my life." And then she started to cry.

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Oh, my.

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We said goodbye, and then I hit the road again.

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But it was very, very intense.

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Very intense, loads of-

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Well, that, well, that's- Yeah … a positive experience-

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Yeah, that's-

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… in the United States of America … yeah.

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Yeah.

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Period.

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That was, yeah, period.

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Yeah, I, you know, I, what I think what she saw in me, she saw in me

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the independent, or I don't know.

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I don't wanna- Yeah, yeah … talk about me- You're probably right, yeah

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… about me like that, but she saw in me something her kids definitely were not,

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and for that she admired me, or f- or something she was not even, I think.

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Or maybe she was just a, you know, a lonely person and wanted

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to hang out with somebody-

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Yeah

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and thought, you know.

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I mean, maybe it's just as simple as that.

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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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Yeah.

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Uh.

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No, but w- what- whatever it was, it was a very… I won't forget her, and

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I think she won't forget me either.

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It was a very interesting four days.

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It was

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very- That's like a- Yeah … it's like a mo- it's like a

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movie in itself right there.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Well- Was that the high- was that the highlight?

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Was that, like, one of

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the- Yeah.

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I, I think that was the highlight.

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I, well, I got super lucky in, on my last week.

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I stayed with Kim for four days.

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Uh-huh.

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And then f- after Kim, I got a, uh, a ride, I don't know, to Bozeman,

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Montana, or close by, then another one.

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Oh, that was, that was … I, there were a lot of the p- uh, you know what

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were highlights were people, as always.

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Sure.

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People, they w- p- I don't only want to, like, maybe I started this off false,

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but- … but p- like, g- generally speaking, people in the US are so

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nice, but- Mm-hmm … they're, they, they only, like, they just g- they

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just tend to be confused quite often.

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But I don't, I don't even, I don't even, I don't even wanna judge sometimes

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because they have no point of reference.

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They have no, there's so little being offered to, to them.

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I don't know.

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Did you find out what Kim's politics were?

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Did you talk about politics while you were-

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We did.

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We did.

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We, in the beginning, that was basically all we talked about, to be honest.

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She was saying weird stuff about masculinity and, uh, the

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relationship between man and woman.

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Um-

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She w- like stuff, like the entertain stuff, men becoming weak- Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah … and- Right … all Donald Trump man-

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manosphere bullshit, Donald Trump stuff.

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Right, right,

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right.

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Donald Trump stuff, like they have to be tough again and where are

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the muscles- Mm-hmm … and I don't know, just a very, I don't know.

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Right.

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As if there's not more to masculinity than that.

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Right.

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But, and also when we went through, like, native land, um- Mm-hmm … she also made

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comments where I definitely got the ick.

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She, she was able to have a conversation, was able to be

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convinced by the stronger argument.

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Right.

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Most people probably never have offered her- For sure.

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For

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sure … and yeah, no.

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At least she was open to listening, right?

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Yeah.

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That's one of the most important stuff.

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Yeah, she was, yeah.

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Yeah, she was v- she was very open.

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She was very open.

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And then where did you go after Kim?

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After Kim, huh, I stayed close to the, the Kardashians.

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The fuck.

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That was also crazy.

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Also middle-aged woman.

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So American.

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So American.

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Yeah.

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In, in Coeur d'Alene Lake, Idaho.

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Um, I went back into Montana to get back to I-90 because I figured that's

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my best and quickest chance, and I- Yeah

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at this point I was like, "Yo, I, I'm done. I want to go to Vancouver."

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My sister was waiting for me.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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And then another woman picked me up, also middle-aged, in her 50s.

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She said she never picked up a hitchhiker in her life before, and

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she was like, after n- like it was an hour and a half the way she was about

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to take me, um, towards, uh, Seattle.

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Uh, not Seattle.

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Uh, Washington.

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And halfway through she invited me to stay at her place, and it ended

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up being a four-story building.

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I had an entire floor for myself.

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Jesus Christ.

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Uh, w- uh, with her binoculars I was able to look in the Kardashians' backyard.

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She, but she lived there on her own.

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She was definitely, uh, lonely.

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And rich and lonely.

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Yeah.

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Rich

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and

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lonely.

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Rich and, rich and lonely.

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She s- she said, uh, she's, since she's 50 she's trying to do stuff differently.

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The next day I also got a place to stay, which was my last day

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in the US, which also sums up, I think, my entire experience.

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Like, it sums up the state of the US, USA- Ah

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currently right now quite well, and it also draws an interesting line between

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the US and Canada also, considering the trade war which just broke out, and

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where Canada and the US kinda stand.

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I, I, I tr- I told this story to people who were asking what's the

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difference or wh- how was the USA like.

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So, so my last night in the USA I spent

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I got picked up by a man in North Bend, Washington, who was drunk.

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The first thing he did, he offered me a Jäger shot, and we had a chat.

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In

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the car.

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And he was … In the car.

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In the car.

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Yeah, yeah.

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In the car, in his pickup truck.

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Also I think a Ford F350.

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I had luck with those.

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Well, that's nice.

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He's Germ- a German liquor or

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Jäger,

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I suppose.

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Yeah, German liquor.

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It's very considered, yeah I was like, "Ha ha, German kiddo." Funny.

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Right, right.

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And we had a chat.

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We had a blast.

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He was on his way to pick, uh, to help his son out who locked himself out of the

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car, and then we went, we went to his son.

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We had a chat.

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I just stayed, sticked with him.

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I kinda got along with his son and his friends as well.

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Um, it was kinda funny.

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We had another couple drinks, and then this guy was like, "Yo." It was about

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to … The sun was about to go down, and I was, "Yo, I'm probably gonna just gonna

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sleep here in the woods." And then he was like, "No, you can come to my place.

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I'm just gonna text my wife that we are coming, no problem at all." Ah.

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He took me to his place.

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His wife never saw the message And was very surprised when

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I walked through the door.

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They had three kids.

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Right.

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Kids between 15 and I think 18.

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Yeah.

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And his wife was an illegal alien.

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You say alien?

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Yeah, whatever.

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Yeah, illegal immigrant,

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whatever, yeah.

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Illegal immigrant.

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She was definitely illegal in the US.

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Uh, it was a very s- we had a chat, we talked about a lot of things.

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It was a very surreal setting in general.

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All, all her three kids has had both passports.

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Um, in the, in the … You have to imagine on their TVs there were videos of a

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person walking through Mexico City 24/7.

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This woman hasn't been, haven't been back to, to Mexico in years, and years.

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She can't, if she ever goes, goes back.

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She has a Mex- Like the thing is she appl- she, when she applied for her American

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citizenship or some paper, she made a minor mistake on accident, typed in

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something wrong, therefore she can never get a permit or whatever in the US ever.

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She had three immigration lawyers.

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They said no chance.

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F- Some, uh, some, some weird s- bureaucratic shit, but she, she's

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screwed and, and considering she has a life, she has three kids in the USA.

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They were super fun.

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They were super nice.

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Super nice.

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They, I skated with, with, uh, their, with her son in the garage at night, took

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him to the skate park the next morning.

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Um, to his, her daughter and her other daughter interrogated me till like 2:00.

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Uh, they were like literally standing in the doorframe and we were up till

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00 and they've been asking about, I don't know, how is Germany like?

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How do the houses look like?

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Right.

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Right.

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How was your trip?

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They were just super curious and- One of the nicest people I met in the US.

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Huh.

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Uh, a- um, and the next morning, um, I was about to hit the road again,

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and then they said, "We, oh, you know what? We were gonna drive you up." And

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I was like … And they told me this night before, she never went further

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than Bellingham because she's afraid of border patrol, of ICE, et cetera.

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Right, right.

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We, we understand, and-

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For sure

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I was like, "No, you don't.

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You just don't." And they were like, "Yes, we will.

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We need to because her mom is about to die in Mexico, and she wants to

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say goodbye." And they took me up to Peace Arch to afterwards go check out

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the area whether she can go back to Mexico, fly back up to Canada, cross

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back into the USA through the woods.

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They had m- multiple guns in their car as well.

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They're both trained to, in case … Not in case, because ICE sometimes-

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Right … walks down highways.

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Right.

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They, they … Her husband said, "I, she ain't going nowhere." A family

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member of her has been detained a cou- like seven, eight months ago, and they

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never heard from her again in her life.

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And her, her brother apparently did already From California, went to Mexico,

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said goodbye, and then crossed back into the USA from through the Canadian border.

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Because they, she has a Mex- a Mexican passport.

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If she would live in Mexico, they can go, she can go wherever.

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She can visit every country on planet Earth, but not-

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Yeah

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the USA.

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Not the

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US, yeah.

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And maybe this is a little detour here, but also I just want to add now, I, I

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say this after, but yeah, they drove me up there, and then I walked across

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the border into Canada, and the first person who says hi to me in Canada,

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the border officer, was a cute little gay guy with an LGBTQ patch on his arm.

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And that was for me like, "Yo, okay.

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I made it.

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I'm safe now.

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This is…" Yeah.

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Yeah,

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I get

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it.

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And, yeah.

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I get

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it.

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No, and I, I don't know.

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She can go everywhere with her Mexican passport besides the fucking USA.

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And the USA, this is what, what annoys me so much, and they, like, the US

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thinks of themselves as the center of the world, but if you actually

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travel through it, you realize they're the most alienated country on Earth.

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I'm closer to everyone than a US American citizen is, is to anyone.

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They… You, it's, it's, it's so, it's, it's the, the lifestyle, the way of

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living, the, the fact that everything that the people take so many things for granted

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and believe in things and have no point of reference is so unique to the USA.

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It's, it's, it's, I don't know, it's so alienated to, to the rest.

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Right.

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Well, to be fair though, I would say that you experienced a part of America

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that is definitely that vibe, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, if you, had you, had you gone to big cities, you'd have

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an entirely different experience,

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because I think- Yeah, if I would have went- Yeah … to West

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Coast, I would, I would have told a very different story, yeah.

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Right, or just even big cities, 'cause I think- Yeah … big cities, it's like two

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different Americas at this point, right?

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Yeah.

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We've got the big cities, and we've got the, you know.

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Um, yeah, but interesting.

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I mean, I think that the choice to not go through the big cities was probably

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a good choice in the end, because you really got to see a side of America that

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I think that many people never get to see, 'cause I think 90% of the people in the

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United States live in the coasts, right?

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No.

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Um, so yeah, yeah.

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Interesting.

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No, but definitely this part is very alienated.

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That was a real, a crazy realization.

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Yeah, for sure.

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But nice, again, though, very nice people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Right, right.

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It's like the outsiders were the people that were the nicest, you know?

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Um, what about the, you told me there was a Native Americans you

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met and went to, like, a Native American ceremony at one point.

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What was that?

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Uh, no, that was, that was… Oh, actually, I don't know why I

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started off with, with the downside.

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I had so many highlights.

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That was a- I, I was gonna

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say

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… that was a huge highlight, actually.

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Um, so I was stuck in, in, uh, uh, Oklahoma City- uh, on

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I-90, and a woman picked me up from the Muscogee Creek Nation.

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Mm-hmm.

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And she was just driving me up the road to the next more fortunate gas station.

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She was cool as fuck.

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I think her name was Ashley.

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Mm-hmm.

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Ashley, if you hear this, you're a queen.

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Queen.

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Um- Um, she just drove me up the road and was like, "Yo, I'm going

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to, um, Musco- like a nation festival or whatever, uh, in a couple hours.

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I'm just gonna need to pick up my kids, and if you're still here, you

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can come with, with, with us." And a couple hours I was still there.

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I didn't go to ride.

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Honestly, I didn't even try it.

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I wanted to go with her.

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Right.

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Um, it w- it was northwest, was the only time I went west.

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I did a detour for that.

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I went west from, like I left I-90 for the first time on that day.

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Uh-huh.

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In the direction of Missis- Miss- Springfield.

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Springfield, where The Simpsons are.

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Missouri.

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Missouri, yeah, Missouri.

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Yeah.

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Springfield, Missouri, where The Simpsons are from.

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Eh, there's arguments about where they're actually.

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Ah.

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So it's like, there's like, there's like 20 Springfields in the United States.

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Ah, shit.

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So nobody actually knows.

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That's why they picked the name, because it's a very generic American city name.

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Oh, smart.

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Little trivia for you there.

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Ah, I didn't know that.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, she picked me up, uh, with her four, or no, three crazy daughters.

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Like, the entire girls gang pulled up, also a cousin of theirs, and

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then we went to another house and picked up another cousin in the

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huge G- in her huge G- GMC truck.

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And I was expecting, like in my mind considering I, I never encountered, I

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never was on a reservation before, a US reservation in my life before that point.

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Mm-hmm.

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I was expecting something, something else.

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But we ended up on, on Muscogee land, and this festival ended up being a

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very typical American fair, like one of those you imagine, like I imagine

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from the kids movies I used to see or like Stranger Things or whatever.

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Like with roller coasters, a rodeo.

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Right.

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A baseball match, a football game.

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Like

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a, like a fair.

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Like a fair, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it was, it was, it was… I rode the rollercoaster.

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I don't, I don't know, it was super fun.

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It was, I was just part of the family for the day with her daughters.

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I don't know, they were like between like 6 and 14 I think.

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Mm. It was super fun.

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It was super fun.

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She just- Invited me to her life for a day, and then she dropped me off at a

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gas station in the middle of nowhere.

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And, but for a day I was part of… It was super fun.

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It was-

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That's fun.

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Yeah, it was nice.

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You get, like, these

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little glimpses of people's lives, and then you just

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kind of- Yeah

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yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, it was, it was… I was very surprised that she took me.

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Um, like, she was so chill.

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Like, with her daughters, I'm like a young man.

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It's kind of, you know, you don't expect.

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Sure,

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sure, sure.

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But she was like, "Hell yeah, you cool. I'm cool. You can come." And then it

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was, it was… I, I felt like if those…

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At the end of the days, her kids felt like my cousins, and she like my aunt.

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Oh.

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Oh, that's wonderful.

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It was super cute.

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It's, again, the, like, outsiders that are the most welcoming it seems like

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to me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Were, were, did you ever feel like you were in danger at any point?

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Honestly?

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Yeah.

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No, not really

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See, that's good

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Like, not a thing, like, no.

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Uh-uh.

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Like, you never got in, you're never in a car and you're like, "Oh, boy.

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I should not be in this car

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right now." No, no.

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I was c- careful, but I wasn't particular.

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Like, I … There's a couple of times actually secretly

:

put my knife in my pocket.

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Mm-hmm.

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I did that because I was like- Yep … yo.

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Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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But, but no matter how sketchy the person looked, in the

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end of the day it was a nice

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person.

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Sure.

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But also, I'm a young white man.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And you're German.

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I feel like people- I

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am … probably treated you differently

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because

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you're German.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That was … I got that.

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But at, at least for me, it was … I haven't encountered

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anything super sketchy, no.

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Well, see, that's nice.

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Mm-hmm.

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If you do it again you should wear, you should play up the German thing, like

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wear lederhosen and shit or whatever.

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Like sausages in your hands and shit.

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You'd probably make tons of money.

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No.

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Or dress in a Nazi outfit.

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Either one.

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Either one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Both

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would work probably.

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Yeah.

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One of the- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You get different, you get different rides, but yeah.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you could change clothes every other day and see what you got.

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There's a book in there for that one.

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Yeah.

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I hitchhiked across the US in a Nazi outfit.

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Oh.

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That'd be a story right there.

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In six days.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Would have been quicker than, yeah.

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Uh, I feel like you might not have gotten quite as many rides

:

in the Nazi outfit, but you know.

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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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You never know.

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What was the, if you can remember, what was the … Was there anything

:

that was like the, the weirdest, the most memorable shit that happened?

:

Or y- or was it already one of, like, was it Kim, the sand dunes?

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Was it something else?

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What you got there?

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You eating some Cheetos?

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Mm. I need to eat one thing.

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I just found chips, very old chips, two months old.

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No.

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No, you're good.

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I'm just curious.

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Yeah.

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Mm.

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It's good for audio.

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Mm-hmm.

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Some ASMR.

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Gives it,

:

gives it a li- lift- Sometimes … yeah, lift and lift and, yeah.

:

Well, you sing in your podcast sometimes.

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I, I have sung in my podcast, yeah.

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It, it's not all the time.

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And I like the effect.

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No, and what was my … Oh, I saw the weirdest shit.

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Like, I didn't only spend time with close to the Kardashians, I also slept like

:

in the woods of Missouri with, and had breakfast with a- Ex-fentanyl junkie.

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That was very interesting.

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Ah.

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But that was also a highlight for me.

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That was one of the biggest highlights, this guy.

:

Huh.

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He was… I, I, I slept on, like, some abandoned train tracks in the

:

woods, and in the morning I woke up and there was, like, thick black smoke

:

coming out of the wood- woods next to me, and I was like Yo, and before the

:

day, the evening before when I entered the woods, I already saw that some

:

people apparently burned stuff there.

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Right.

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I figured copper to get money and to, like… Yeah, yeah.

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And I was right about my assumption because I went there.

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On my way I found, like, a foot, like, a foot-long knife, picked it up.

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First I thought for my security . Yeah.

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But, uh, I ended up seeing, like, a man burning old mattresses in the woods

:

to get copper out of it, and I figured it was probably his knife, offered

:

him his knife, and we had a chat.

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I gave him a joint I got the day before.

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Mm-hmm.

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And we literally sat down in the woods, smoked.

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He smoked a joint, I smoked a cigarette, and we had a chat

:

about life, and then we went on.

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I invited him for breakfast.

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We had a sandwich.

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He had crazy stories to tell, but not particularly crazy.

:

For a Midwest comparison, he was an ex-

:

Somebody's coughing some up behind you there.

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Yeah, like my uncle.

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Yeah.

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Um.

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Um, um-

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Was he homeless, the guy?

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Yeah, he, he was.

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He, he- Wow … left Colorado to get as far as away from the place.

:

He got addicted to, to, for- Ah, I see … to, on synthetic opioids.

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Yeah.

:

He actually, he went to jail multiple times.

:

He got addicted to fentanyl, or, like, to severe strong

:

opioids in jail because- Mm-hmm

:

they sedated him, and he left prison with a prescription for opioids.

:

Mm.

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And it fucked over his life.

:

He almost died a couple of times.

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He has kids.

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C- He isn't allowed to see them.

:

Um, his wife is on drugs, too, and they left together for Missouri, and they're

:

trying to… They, I think they, they leveled up from streets to a, to, like,

:

an old camper, like a trailer, a thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think they bought o- off the money they, they earned burning

:

copper, and she is a prostitute.

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Wow.

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Um-

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Wow.

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He was super honest.

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His name… I don't know.

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I… Jef was his name.

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I think.

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Was it really?

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Yeah.

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With

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two F?

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Yeah.

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Two Fs,

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though.

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Yeah.

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Not

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the Y. I don't, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Probably, I think, two Fs.

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For sure.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And no, that was, that was very touching.

:

He's been clean for two years.

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Pray, pray that- Wow … he's gonna stay clean for longer.

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But what, what stuck with me was the fact that he, like most of the

:

people in the US, still thought that it's his fault, and if he works

:

hard enough, he can make it one day.

:

Hmm.

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It's probably the best, it's for the best for him that he

:

thinks that way, but he- Sure.

:

For sure … but just the fact that he left prison with

:

a prescription for opioids.

:

Yeah.

:

It's like they want him to go back to prison.

:

Yeah.

:

I

:

was like- Yeah, yeah, yeah … "Yo, yo, okay." But no, but I don't know.

:

It was just the fact I s- that, that we sat there, smoked a joint and a cigarette,

:

and were just talking about life, and we ended up talking about those things

:

because they were part of his life.

:

Sure.

:

Um, and that was a reality I got that was very Yeah, no.

:

Well, you, you find the people who have been through the most shit are usually

:

the most honest and open with other-

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Yeah

:

… with their

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story.

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Yeah.

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He was, he was, yeah.

:

Yeah.

:

It kinda pisses me off though.

:

Awesome.

:

I just had a fucking tooth extracted from my mouth, and they didn't

:

even give me op- opioids here.

:

But that guy… I got ibuprofen for Christ sake.

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What am I- Shit.

:

Yeah.

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At the very-

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Hey, shit,

:

you would

:

have done it in the US … very

:

prison, right.

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In prison, yeah, yeah.

:

Yeah, yeah.

:

Yeah, shit.

:

Well, I'm gonna say this, Jonathan.

:

Um, at the beginning of this, you started off by saying that you fucking

:

hated America and the whole trip, like you had negatives, very negative,

:

but then every story you've kind of told since then has been, like,

:

heartwarming, lo- lovely stories about experiences interacting with Americans.

:

So it's, I would say it's a mix- it's a mixed bag.

:

I'm sure there were bad parts, but, you know.

:

Yeah.

:

You see what I'm saying?

:

Yeah.

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Thank you for the, the, I, I realized going through this too,

:

maybe it wasn't too bad, and I'm-

:

It's very easy to hate on America

:

right now.

:

Yeah.

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Very easy.

:

And, and, and, um, yeah, no, but, but you're right.

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Yeah.

:

You're right.

:

The stories in itself, you know, the, the, no, yeah, you're right.

:

Period.

:

Thank you.

:

I think America as an idea is a really unfortunate thing right now.

:

It's not going well, but I think the individual people are actually,

:

in general, fairly good, right?

:

They're, they're wonderful people.

:

You've experienced this yourself.

:

Yeah.

:

Right.

:

Yeah.

:

So there's a lesson- There is … of some sort in there.

:

I don't know.

:

Yeah, there is.

:

There, there definitely is.

:

Yeah.

:

It's if you, yeah, no, I also, I think that was my biggest takeaway from this.

:

I don't know, life is outside of your comfort zone.

:

Mm-hmm.

:

Because if you only live in your comfort zones, zones, you fill those

:

voids uninevitably with hate and with conspiracy theories or whatnot, and if

:

you actually go out and talk to people, you realize, yo- I ain't that bad

:

Yep.

:

Yep

:

And- You're

:

speaking my language, my friend

:

… yeah, and you realize, and everybody, I think, I, I not, I only realize,

:

I think the people I met through this sometimes we realize this

:

together and we're like, crazy.

:

Yeah.

:

Yeah.

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Crazy.

:

We're both not that bad.

:

The guy with the purse hitchhiking through the US and

:

the redneck We actually get along.

:

Right, the German with the purse

:

. Yeah.

:

We actually, we actually get along.

:

I wonder if that's why Kim started bringing up masculinity to you because

:

you're like- … carrying a purse

:

. No, no.

:

She was, no, no, no.

:

She was, she, she, she thought, she commented my, my c- my body quite often.

:

I'm happy that I'm not her kid.

:

But it's like, but po- positively in this case, but it's like, yeah, but yeah.

:

You know what I mean.

:

So would you do it again?

:

Mm.

:

Mm.

:

I will definitely hitchhike wherever I can in the near future.

:

I don't, uh, if I would do it again through the US you mean in particular?

:

Sure, yeah.

:

I don't know.

:

Maybe.

:

Mm. Mm. Maybe West Coast, on the West Coast when I'm over in Vancouver

:

the next time, down to California.

:

Great weather.

:

But I, I, I got super hooked on whatever I did.

:

Like, I think four days after I came to Vancouver I was off to

:

my next- … hitchhiking trip.

:

I know, you texted

:

me.

:

Yeah, yeah.

:

I was with…

:

I took my, like, my sister and I went to hitchhike across, or

:

a bit across Vancouver Island.

:

I was off to the next.

:

It was like I'm, I'm h- I'm hooked.

:

I even thought of, I even thought of hitchhiking from here back east

:

to then take a flight to Europe, because I figured it's cheaper.

:

It's actually not, so I didn't, and I have too much luggage now.

:

Um-

:

Yeah, it's hard to hitchhike with a lot of luggage.

:

Yeah

:

… I have a job and I consume a lot now.

:

Here we go.

:

Yep.

:

Yeah.

:

There we go.

:

Um-

:

Um.

:

Well, what was the prettiest part?

:

I mean, America's a pretty country- Oh … a lot of places.

:

What was the prettiest place you got to?

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Oh.

:

The prettiest town I've been to, North Bend.

:

Oh.

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Washington.

:

The teeny, tiny town before, um, before Seattle, but I'm d-

:

it's… Yeah, no, Washington.

:

Washington was super pretty.

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Montana.

:

Uh-huh, Montana's

:

crazy.

:

Montana, Wyoming.

:

I went, actually been… I've been here.

:

Wyoming is

:

incredible.

:

Kim, Kim took me to Yellowstone.

:

Yellowstone was obviously- Oh, wow.

:

Yeah, yeah,

:

yeah

:

amazing.

:

But I'm, I just love Northwest, like, America, like Oregon,

:

Washington, British Columbia climate.

:

It's the, those, like British Columbia in particular and Washington is very similar.

:

Right.

:

Right.

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Are like in my opinion the prettiest places I've been to in my life.

:

Not the jungle in Colombia and Brazil can take that away.

:

I don't know, it's the, I find peace in this kind of environment.

:

Yeah.

:

Yeah.

:

Yeah.

:

Well, the last question I ask my, ask people, um, on my podcast, which

:

is moderately unrelated to what we've talked about here, but also

:

kind of related, is, uh, what do you think happens when we die, John?

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Honestly, turn to sh- turn, turn back to dirt

:

Do you think nothing?

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Just this is it?

:

Yeah.

:

Interesting.

:

I, I, I, I, I see the… I wish.

:

I, I'm, I'm still discovering my spiritual side.

:

Maybe-

:

Ah, yeah.

:

All right … but for, for now on I, I, uh… But honestly it's not that bad.

:

We get back to hummus and then a tree can live off of our, uh, nutrients.

:

So we-

:

Sure, yeah.

:

No

:

… so the cycle continues, you know?

:

And a- actually, uh, the other day somebody died at work in front of my eyes.

:

Wow.

:

Well, I made a joke a couple of weeks ago.

:

The place I'm working at is a private tennis club.

:

Mm-hmm.

:

I

:

don't, um… And people basically it's, like, mainly seniors who-

:

Sure

:

… die while playing tennis, and I made this joke, and actually a senior, rest

:

in peace though, um, but, uh, yeah, he just ate a f- I went out of the

:

kitchen ha- to get a drink from the bar.

:

He had a burger.

:

The next time I went out he was passed out, and I just heard the guy

:

say, "He has no pulse no more." So I don't know what he's gonna turn into.

:

Maybe more- Maybe he's a

:

cat now.

:

Maybe he's a cat.

:

Maybe, maybe he's… I wish, I wish more a bird would be amazing.

:

I like, I like, I like, I like the thought of being reborn, but I, I just

:

don't trust, trust, trust those stories.

:

I feel like the closer you get to the, uh, to the end of your life, the easier

:

it is to embrace stories like that.

:

You know what I mean?

:

What… Can I ask you what do you think?

:

I don't know, but I, uh, you know, I'm not a religious person.

:

I'm more spiritual than anything else, and I don't really have a good answer

:

for this 'cause I don't honestly know.

:

But I, I, I have trouble believing that it's just nothing, because

:

they're learning so many things about consciousness and things like that now.

:

Like, that consciousness may exist outside of ourselves, you know?

:

And then you hear these stories about people who have, you know,

:

died in hospitals- Mm … and then they wake up, and they've, like, were

:

outside the hospital floating around.

:

There's a lot of stories that give you, that give me pause, right?

:

Maybe if it isn't… If this is, if this is, if this is

:

it, then that's fine, right?

:

That's fine in a way.

:

It's not fine, but it's fine.

:

Mm. But, you know, who knows?

:

With all- Mm … there's so much we don't know about the nature of consciousness

:

and the nature of even existence that it wouldn't surprise me if there

:

was, you know, something beyond this.

:

But maybe that's just my brain rejecting the idea of death, you know?

:

No, no, I, I understa- I, I think what I, what I thought after

:

I saw this person death, dead-

:

Right

:

… um, was I, I thought this just for myself, for me to accept my death

:

eventually because I was like, "Yo, what if I get a stroke now?"

:

Right.

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Right.

:

Right.

:

But, um, I was like, whatever happens after, I actually thought that whatever

:

happens after, I don't believe that much happens, but I'm happy that I, that I

:

die because I, it, I… The thought of being a, a, alive, like, just clinging to

:

life forever, maybe it's nice to accept those stages, even the last stage where

:

you come closer to death and- For sure

:

just embrace it for yourself and whatever you do.

:

Your consciousness, it stays, I believe that, with the people

:

you impacted in your life.

:

Go out and talk to as many as you can.

:

They aren't that dangerous and aren't that scary, and they

:

will carry your consciousness- … consciousness, uh, further.

:

Uh, well that's a solid way to end right there.

:

You nailed it.

:

Yeah.

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Uh, Jonathan, thank you so much for coming on the podcast, bro.

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Yeah, thank you, bro.

:

Yeah, thanks for telling your story.

:

Thank you for helping me to realize that it maybe wasn't that bad.

:

See?

:

Yeah.

:

We all, we all learned a valuable lesson.

:

Yeah.

:

No.

:

Uh, and thanks for- I was like- … sending the voice

:

memos too from your- Yeah

:

from the road.

:

Those were great.

:

Yeah, no, I have to do something with them.

:

I don't know yet.

:

I'm, I'm about to forget.

:

I got sc- scared when you asked me for the podcast.

:

I was like, "Fuck." I mute- You warned me You warned me that I didn't put down

:

enough, that I had to- No … write more.

:

Eh.

:

I, I realized that-

:

I did, I do the same thing

:

myself, so I understand the tendency.

:

Yeah.

:

But maybe- Um- Yeah.

:

No, it was nice, kind of, uh, a flashback.

:

Thank you.

:

And that was Jonathan Wiest talking about his hitchhiking trip and

:

the nature of our own existence.

:

Jonathan, thank you again for coming on the podcast.

:

I'm truly grateful that we met a few months ago in that Spanish class.

:

It's weird how that happens sometimes.

:

Anyway, you can follow Jonathan on Instagram at Jonath…

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Oh, Jonathan, I forgot.

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J-O-N-A-T-H-Q-N period W. I don't know how to pronounce that.

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JonathQNW.

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J-O-N-A-T-H-Q-N dot W. And you can follow the podcast on Instagram at onefjefpod.

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That's O-N-E-F-J-E-F-P-O-D.

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I have no real evidence, like direct evidence to suggest that, like

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rating, subscribing and reviewing, subscribing clearly, but that it helps.

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But I, I, I can only assume.

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I can only assume.

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And based on this assumption of mine, you should do these things.

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God, these fucking mosquitoes in here.

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I'm gonna lose my mind with these

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I'm gonna end with a quote that I may have ended another episode with at some

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point, but I don't think that I have.

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I've certainly mentioned it but I don't think I've ended an episode with it.

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And even if I had, it would be okay, 'cause it's worthwhile to end more

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than one episode with this quote

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How strange it is to be anything at all

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I'll see you next week

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Very good, Jeffrey

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