Shownotes
- “We move in the degree of authority that we’ve submitted to.”
- “Christ was aggressively submitted to the Father.”
- “Submission is not passive—it’s a demand you place on your own spirit.”
- “If we are truly submissive like Christ was, there’s no limit to the authority that can move through us.”
- “Revelation without confirmation takes you out of the body.”
- “The kingdom of God is not in the sky—it’s here, and it’s real.”
- “A pure atmosphere is created when we submit our hearts to the Lord and walk as one.”
Transcripts
Ken:
We have the authority because God's given it to us as we walk with Him through the earth, as we're submissive to what He's speaking to our hearts and that light. We have authority—authority to do the things that God speaks to our hearts to do. This is an expression of what God is doing in our lives on a continual basis.
We never stand still in our relationship to God. It's always moving forward. Therefore, we are walking together in submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and we are looking to see Him bring forth His kingdom through His sons in the earth as we're submissive to Him. He gives us more authority, but the more authority is really it.
It's the authority is Him. He's the authority. So we submit our hearts to Him today and believe the word that He has spoken to our hearts and refuse to deviate from it.
Ron:
We move in the degree of authority that we've submitted to. You don't move into more authority unless you've moved into a deeper level of submission in your spirit.
Right? I know it's to the Lord, but the Lord's placed Himself in His family, in His body. I really don't feel like it's submission to the Lord in the sky. I feel like it's submission to the Lord in the flesh, and I think it has to be a person—maybe a couple people.
Do I submit my spirit to, give my life totally over to, so they can tell me no—tell, actually shepherd my spirit—because I don't feel like my spirit grows if I'm not being shepherded.
That's what Christ was. Christ only did the things that He saw the Father do, and He aggressively—
God wasn't saying, “You are gonna be submissive to me, or I'm gonna kick your butt.” When you're a kid—when you're a little kid—yeah, when you're a little infant spiritually, your father and mother, they demand submission. You could get killed. You put your hand on the stove, whatever—you know the whole thing.
But as you grow, they're expecting you to become aggressive in your submission back to them. At least that's what should be happening. There has to be an aggressive submission.
Christ was aggressively submitted to the Father. In fact, in the garden of Gethsemane, He was wrestling with finding another way—going the cross—but His last words were, “Not my will, but Your will be done.”
He was aggressive. He demanded His spirit to be continually in submission, and that's why I think Christ grew and became the fullness of the Father in the earth. And He's still that way.
Christ is not equal with the Father. In fact, the Word says when all things are under Christ's feet, what does He do? He submits it all to the Father.
So there are different levels of authority. It's not we're all gonna be equal. That's not true. It's just not true in God's kingdom.
I want to make sure that I am submissive to Christ in the earth, because I think if we are truly submissive like Christ was, there's no limit to the authority that can move through us.
Mike:
I got a scriptural reference to what you just said here, Ron. In John 10, verses 27 through 29, Jesus says, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish, and no man shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
He submits Himself to the Father as we submit ourselves to the Father, and we submit to His Lordship—like Ron is saying—who is in us.
So it's a question of: do we submit our whole being to His presence in us as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
Bill:
Does the submission, does the seeking, does the worship come automatic when things are going well? And I think God knows that a little bit of difficulty gets our attention more than a little bit of love.
So we're at the tipping point, and it's encouraging in the sense that we're saying, “You know what? My seeking the Lord, my worshiping the Lord, my submitting to the Lord, should be all the time.”
I think we've learned that to a degree, but I think we're being reminded: you know what? Don't wait till you get in trouble to go looking for the Lord and tell Him how much you love Him. Find a way to do that—just naturally, kind of like breathing in and breathing out.
Spiritually, it should be a natural, normal response—that submission, that expectation of being in His presence.
Ron:
What I'm concerned about for the family is that we don't go into this place of the judges, where every man does that which is right in his own sight, and he says, “Oh, I'm submissive. I'm submissive,” but really—are you?
In other words, I feel like God's trying to clear up the atmosphere and going, “Okay now, yeah, there were things that were done wrong,” and that doesn't preclude or take away from the principle of submission and authority. It never will. That will always be an eternal principle.
And I want to make sure my spirit's walking in that principle. And God's leading me out of the fog and going, “Okay, now you're all grown up. Now you're free. Now I've worked maturity in your spirit. You're grown up, and you're still growing. Now let's go back to square one.”
Where is your submission to in reality? Because His kingdom isn't in the sky—it's gonna be here on this earth, which means we're gonna have a real kingdom, and it's real, just like a government that's here now. There's a real authority with those that are over these people and under these people, under these people. It's not this democracy. It's a real kingdom.
Bill:
Now it's the difference between an apostolic company and a prophetic community. A prophetic community is the new source of what we're looking for—whether it's submission at any given time, maybe moving in an authority or in a revelation that you can submit to.
It's not just one man forever, right? But the difference is instead of a panel of men of God, it's a community of men and women of God.
And so we're adjusting to that and finding where we touch in. You're reading through the scripture page after page, and there's just one line that jumps out—and, wow. You forget all the other stuff that is in the forefront.
I think that's who we are. That's my answer for my situation today. So I think more and more we're gonna find the answers in the community and the ability to submit to those answers—not as one person over everything, but in the line items that we're looking for answers for.
Mike:
It's confirmed in the scriptures in Ephesians 4, that the apostolic ministry and those fivefold ministries were given to us for the equipping of the saints, for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God—to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
You go to Matthew 16, and in Matthew 16 what is the foundation of the Ecclesia, the body of Christ. The foundation is revelation that comes from the Father to us. And with that revelation comes confirmation.
If you think a revelation is it, and you can go out and do your thing based on that revelation without confirmation, you're taking yourself out of the body to do your own thing. That is an “time out.” No, no.
Because it's out of the mouth of two or three witnesses—the two or three witnesses that give confirmation to the revelation that comes from the Father.
Therefore, we submit to the Christ in each of us, because that confirmation word will come, because we trust one another, because of what the Lord has brought forth in His body. And this body contains now His authority to move as one.
We don't dare move on an individual basis, because that breaks the oneness, right! We have to be careful about that and recognize this oneness is based on each one of us submitting to the Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to God the Father, and submitting to the Holy Spirit's leading.
Ron:
We're in an atmosphere now where we are self-responsible for our spirit. We are self-responsible for our submission to the Lord.
There has to be an aggressiveness in our spirit that says, “I will be submissive. I will stay in submission.” Because nobody's gonna force you to be in submission. Right, Right.
So now it's another step of maturity that God is demanding of us. And if we walk in that, then what Mike is saying is totally true.
Because if Mike's walking in total submission in his heart to the body of Christ—which only he can decide that, really be honest with himself and go, “Am I being submissive?”—if somebody tells him, “No, Mike, that's not the way to think,” or “No, that's not what you should be doing,” that's between him and him, it's between the Lord in him.
If he's doing that, then when he goes out, he is Christ in the earth, because he's moving under authority, which means whatever he does is going to be Christ's authority moving through him. It's gonna have an impact.
Ken:
It's about the Lordship of Jesus Christ for each one of us. This is truly the atmosphere.
What is it? What is the atmosphere that we want to create?
The pure atmosphere—the pure atmosphere—is when we come together as one. And our oneness is not based on thinking on a human level. It's by the fact that we have submitted our hearts to the Lord.
