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Today's interview is about deep rage experienced at a young age that turned into alcoholism and deep depression.
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Hello, and welcome to the Borealis experience, I mean
Unknown:holster raw. And I'm very excited to be posting this
Unknown:interview for you here. Nate Rifkin grew up in a household
Unknown:that was really not loving and compassionate. and that in turn,
Unknown:turn him into a very angry child, and young person. And
Unknown:this anger, he carried around for so many years, also turned
Unknown:into depression, a full on depression, let's say. And it
Unknown:went so far that he reached a point where he was really
Unknown:thinking of suicide and ending this miserable life he was
Unknown:living in. So Nate will not only share his story with you today,
Unknown:but he will also let us know about the tools, the big steps,
Unknown:the small steps that he took, in order to live a fulfilled life.
Unknown:He used to be very socially awkward. And as I said, at the
Unknown:beginning, angry, and now he met the woman of his dreams, and
Unknown:wrote a book. And it's helping many more people out there who
Unknown:struggled with depression, anxiety, or even suicidal
Unknown:thoughts. Welcome to this show.
Unknown:Nate reskin.
Unknown:Oh, no, thank you, or Thank you for having me on. And yeah, I
Unknown:hope this story can really help inspire some people and give
Unknown:them some great direction. But the short version is, I was born
Unknown:into a family that was really devoid of any kind of love, or,
Unknown:like, my parents were not compassionate people, I was very
Unknown:angry child. And I didn't really understand that this was kind of
Unknown:an emotionally abusive environment, I didn't have any
Unknown:perspective. And as I got older, my anger got more and more
Unknown:turned inward. So I got more and more sad, I got more and more
Unknown:depressed. And as a teenager, which is socially awkward, which
Unknown:piled on, it just got worse and worse, because I was angry to
Unknown:begin with. And then I got more frustrated, which made me more
Unknown:socially awkward. And I, I didn't really care much about
Unknown:school could could not get a date to save my life. But I
Unknown:figured if I could go to college, and move out of my town
Unknown:and move away from my family, move away from the people, I
Unknown:knew I could start over. And my first day at college, I realized
Unknown:how wrong I was because it didn't matter how far I
Unknown:traveled, or if I surrounded myself with total strangers, new
Unknown:people, I was still myself, I was still carrying my inner
Unknown:baggage with me. So they, I didn't really make any friends
Unknown:in college and my grades started to slip. And the only light in
Unknown:my life at that point was that I liked working out. I liked
Unknown:exercising and I thought maybe somehow I can be like an
Unknown:entrepreneur in some way, like own a gym, be a personal
Unknown:trainer, or produce products on health and fitness. Like how to
Unknown:products like how to work out. So I started thinking, I hate
Unknown:college. I'm hitting my life right now. And if I'm going to
Unknown:be a business owner of some kind, do I need a college
Unknown:degree? Maybe not. I don't think anyone's gonna ask for it. So I
Unknown:dropped I dropped that. And I said on my last day of it was
Unknown:three semesters in is my last day I still remember I said
Unknown:goodbye. I didn't really nobody noticed I was gone. So in my
Unknown:early 20s, I moved into a condo in Boulder, Colorado, and I
Unknown:started you know, trying to actually did create a business
Unknown:selling fitness products online. with that. I actually partnered
Unknown:with my brother, he was like the face the business. He knew a lot
Unknown:about yoga and other forms of exercise. And I just kind of was
Unknown:behind the scenes handling everything. And I have a knack
Unknown:for writing. I had a knack for advertising but I was terrible.
Unknown:Everything else like I had no knowledge of how to like run a
Unknown:business or even just how to run my own personal finances. So I
Unknown:started maxing out my credit cards. And it just got worse and
Unknown:worse like the same downward spiral that happened like
Unknown:socially for me, it was now happening financially for me, so
Unknown:I was getting pretty scared. And just to get through the day I
Unknown:started drinking vodka every morning, like probably about a
Unknown:couple of shots of vodka in the morning mixed with like an
Unknown:energy drink. It wasn't Red Bull. It was kind of like that.
Unknown:And that's how he started every single day. And sometimes I
Unknown:think I had another one another drink in the afternoon, early
Unknown:afternoon. And my business started getting worse and worse,
Unknown:I started going into deeper and deeper debt. Things weren't
Unknown:working out my brother and things weren't working out
Unknown:anywhere else. And this was, while I was doing like, goal
Unknown:setting and visualizing my success, and all kinds of other
Unknown:stuff. Like affirmations. I even had a vision board. When if
Unknown:anyone ever came over to my condo, I like hid division for
Unknown:us, I was kind of embarrassed about that sort of thing. So I
Unknown:was in a rough spot. And this was like, like you said, this is
Unknown:right around when I started thinking about killing myself,
Unknown:because my thoughts would just loop and loop and loop and loop
Unknown:and I felt like such a loser. And I didn't know what to do. I
Unknown:was so frustrated because everything that was supposed to
Unknown:work didn't work. And I was really, really trying, I was
Unknown:really trying.
Unknown:Fortunately, I had someone who was kind of a quasi mentor, and
Unknown:he was he was teaching business. And I'd kind of go to his
Unknown:meetups quarterly with other people. And he was into a
Unknown:spiritual tradition called Taoism. And I didn't, he didn't
Unknown:really talk about it too much. But eventually He's like, let me
Unknown:show you some meditations. And they're really cool. And he
Unknown:talked about I was like, Look, I actually go, I go to China, and
Unknown:I learned these things. And these, these meditations go
Unknown:back, like 1000s of years, they're very powerful. People
Unknown:would do them in like, become enlightened, or they meditate on
Unknown:the tops of mountains are in caves. And this like, is an
Unknown:interesting demand. Like, I was drawn to it. I was like, well,
Unknown:this is kind of cool. This isn't like the usual, the usual kind
Unknown:of boring, just sitting, you know, sit on a cushion quieting
Unknown:your mind type stuff, because I wasn't. I mean, I dabbled in
Unknown:spiritual stuff here and there, but I'm like, you know, show me
Unknown:the results. It's I I've got my goals that I want to achieve.
Unknown:And it's like, I'm not just drawn to this stuff, just
Unknown:because I'm, you know, drawn to it. I will I want there to be a
Unknown:result of some kind. Well, finally, with like, the Dallas
Unknown:spiritual path, my teachers like, Look, this is going to
Unknown:help you in the rest of your life. Just try out this one
Unknown:meditation. It's super cool. It's even, like rooted in
Unknown:martial arts. So and it was a meditation happy to be done
Unknown:standing up. So I was like, Alright, let me try. I started
Unknown:with 60 seconds per day. And a funny thing happened. I started
Unknown:to actually feel better about myself, like the thoughts that
Unknown:used to loop and loop. They started to like, and they're all
Unknown:and then of course, it was self hatred. So these negative
Unknown:thoughts that started to go down, it starts late, it was
Unknown:like a dial taking and quieting down. I was like, well, that's
Unknown:nice. That's cool. I wasn't even trying to do that. But I'll take
Unknown:it. And then I realized my schedule is like, I'd get up,
Unknown:take a shower, I will do a minute of meditation. And I'd
Unknown:add a little bit of time every day. And I'd still go drink. I
Unknown:didn't stop. But I noticed something interesting. I would
Unknown:feel good from the meditation, then I would go drink. And I,
Unknown:you know, I still like it's such a mess. So the alcohol did make
Unknown:me feel better on the surface level. But as I kept going, as
Unknown:the days went by, the meditation made me feel better and better.
Unknown:It was like catching up to how good the alcohol made me feel.
Unknown:And one day, I felt as good right before I took a drink. It
Unknown:just kind of the drink made me just feel more drunk. So I'm
Unknown:like, I wonder what's going to happen if I keep going? Well,
Unknown:within a day or two, I was feeling so good. And from the
Unknown:meditation that when I drank the alcohol, like and it was
Unknown:sometime in the morning, I felt worse. And that's when I stopped
Unknown:drinking. So this is just as just my story. I'm not saying
Unknown:it's like meditation, like Haha, you could stop drinking, but
Unknown:that's what happened to me. And I and again, it was like feeling
Unknown:good. I wasn't necessarily trying to do that.
Unknown:Hmm. Can I add some to that? Like, I feel a lot of times
Unknown:people don't understand that. alcoholism is there to it has a
Unknown:purpose. It's helping us to feel better to cope and right. So you
Unknown:have to replace it with something. And it doesn't have
Unknown:to be meditation but but something that is not
Unknown:destructive, self destructive, in order to let go of that
Unknown:because if you don't have something to replace it, you
Unknown:have that void With us, so painful to sit. And so and this
Unknown:is what people are probably most scared of. Right?
Unknown:Yeah, that that makes laws. I love how you put that like it's
Unknown:it, there's a purpose to it. And it kind of it ties in to how I
Unknown:stopped because I added in something first right before I
Unknown:built a positive habit. So as as I ratchet that up, the other
Unknown:habit, the negative one kind of fell away, it just kind of
Unknown:naturally disintegrated. Yeah. So I was like, well, this is
Unknown:this is cool, because this is like real results. And I'm all
Unknown:about that. I'm like, I want like to, I want to feel
Unknown:something I want to experience something I want to benefit from
Unknown:it. So I start other people at this point, we're like, Nate,
Unknown:you're you're looking different to something different about
Unknown:you. And I like didn't tell him what I was doing. So I'm like,
Unknown:Oh, this is cool. So it's not even just in my head. So I
Unknown:remember, after practicing for a few months, and just gradually
Unknown:feeling better and better every day. I had an experience where I
Unknown:felt like I was doing a meditation. And I felt like my
Unknown:body started glowing like a light bulb. And it felt really
Unknown:good too. It just felt I just felt really warm. I didn't I
Unknown:didn't have the language for it. But I was having like a
Unknown:spiritual experience. All I knew is that just like, Oh, this is
Unknown:cool. I feel wonderful. This is great. So it lasted several
Unknown:minutes. And then I like river is still in my condo is living
Unknown:in my condo in Boulder. And I sat down on my futon and I'm
Unknown:just like, this is like, this is the only thing in my life that
Unknown:is working for me. And it's working really well. I feel
Unknown:great if I found something that actually works. So I'm going to
Unknown:dedicate my life to it. And that's sort of like the
Unknown:beginning of how I turned my inner life around is. And that
Unknown:was 12 years ago about and I've been I've been diving deeper
Unknown:into Taoism ever since then. So that's that's kind of the
Unknown:beginning of my journey. Mm hmm. Wow.
Unknown:And I read something beautiful the other day that ask people
Unknown:who went through intense trauma and maybe even suicidal
Unknown:thoughts. We were meant to go through that journey in order to
Unknown:help people who are struggling today, like in some religions,
Unknown:they for like what do you say for saw for saw that there is
Unknown:going to be very morbid and times where humanity has to rise
Unknown:up and catch up and then has to go through very painful periods.
Unknown:And you seem to Yeah, you went through that pain and learned to
Unknown:Yeah, transform it into something positive now and now
Unknown:you can inspire others who are struggling to follow you or to
Unknown:start a similar path. How is it for you? And your family? Like
Unknown:your parents? Did you ever reconnect with them? Or did you
Unknown:leave them back then? And now you kind of drifted apart? Did
Unknown:you have like reconnection? Or not so much? That's,
Unknown:that's a great question. That's, that's a cool one. I've never
Unknown:been asked that before. That's awesome. It's very, very
Unknown:interesting, because I was when I when I went to college, and
Unknown:basically beyond I pretty much didn't talk to my parents. My my
Unknown:father and I and my parents are divorced. They divorced when I
Unknown:was seven. My father and I would occasionally have conversations,
Unknown:but it was very, it was very surface surface level. It was
Unknown:very superficial. But we got along. And my mother and I often
Unknown:would would go like, like maybe a year without a conversation.
Unknown:We'd have like a yearly conversation and wouldn't be a
Unknown:good one necessarily. And I knew and they're in very emotional
Unknown:shutdown places. So what's interesting though, is I
Unknown:monitored this when I began doing my like Dallas meditation
Unknown:practice and started like slowly turning my life around. My
Unknown:parents on their own, separately started to seem to be more
Unknown:mentally healthy, which you know, I just made a mental note
Unknown:because their path is not my path. And I'm not their
Unknown:caretaker. But I made a note like, isn't that interesting? So
Unknown:as time went on, I still really rarely spoke to my mother until
Unknown:maybe about what was it three years ago, or three and a half
Unknown:years ago, because I actually started working with a
Unknown:therapist. And that side note, some people like might wonders
Unknown:is like way you went on the spiritual path for 13 years and
Unknown:then worked with the therapist. Well, sure. I love using like
Unknown:multiple modalities to like, help me out. And this guy is
Unknown:really good. And he actually encouraged me to reconnect with
Unknown:my parents. But he was very, very deliberate and intentional
Unknown:about how to do it. Because his whole thing is like, Nate, look,
Unknown:when you came into this world, you had an emotionally abusive
Unknown:relationship with your parents, and they were the adults, they
Unknown:were in charge, and you your child didn't really know any
Unknown:better. Now's your chance to have a new conversation with
Unknown:your parents where you lead them and where you are in charge.
Unknown:Yeah. And he said, and you can do it on the phone, and you can
Unknown:get really quick practice rounds. So one of the one of the
Unknown:best things he ever had me do is call up each pair individually.
Unknown:So I'd be like, Hey, Mom, I'd like to talk. And I'd like to
Unknown:actually talk about our history, and some other things, would you
Unknown:be willing to do that? And and she said, that, Oh, absolutely,
Unknown:I'm like, great, I will get back to you. And I end the
Unknown:conversation, because I'm the one steering the ship and is.
Unknown:And I did the same thing with my dad, which was super awkward.
Unknown:But the long story, short of that is I'm at a point now where
Unknown:I've learned that my mother is still in a pretty bad place.
Unknown:However, I am connecting more with my father. So it's pretty
Unknown:interesting how when one goes on a kind of on a journey of
Unknown:putting their life back together and thriving, that some times
Unknown:things can work out with family, mostly I've seen the distance is
Unknown:the result. But sometimes that's, that's a healthy thing.
Unknown:And sometimes it's very, very necessary. And we have to, we
Unknown:have to really release our dreams of that storybook ending
Unknown:with the same people that might have heard us. Mm hmm.
Unknown:No matter the outcome. It is so important, though to feel
Unknown:differently now about your parents and you used to you
Unknown:might have felt very angry, you are maybe very resentful. And
Unknown:you were still carrying that anger inside of you. Maybe if
Unknown:you didn't even feel it and to now, change the relationship is
Unknown:such a huge thing for your healing process to for theirs as
Unknown:well. For yours, to be able to let go and to not be that victim
Unknown:anymore to know that today. You can make your decisions, you can
Unknown:set boundaries you can have those conversations or not, is
Unknown:incredibly healing and empowering. So thank you for for
Unknown:sharing that.
Unknown:Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown:Oh, it's my pleasure. And I really love how you said the
Unknown:anger that you might not even feel because that's exactly
Unknown:where I was. Someone told me it's like all your angry
Unknown:parents. It's like, No, I don't care. I don't I don't care.
Unknown:Sure, yeah.
Unknown:How was it? Like in relationships? Like romantic
Unknown:relationships? Did you like as soon as you forgive your parents
Unknown:or kind of knew that? You, you have a different sense of self
Unknown:now? Did that change the way you were relating maybe even to your
Unknown:friends, but also romantic partners?
Unknown:Yeah, yeah. And in fact, being able to relate differently to
Unknown:romantic partners was the was the purpose behind reconnecting
Unknown:with my parents? Because my therapist was very, very smart.
Unknown:And I was just an I had a very direct intentions like, Oh,
Unknown:yeah, I would love to, you know, have a great relationship and
Unknown:maybe get married. And he could see it's just like, Nate may
Unknown:want that. But we need to steer him back to his parents. And I'm
Unknown:like, what, what do I have to talk to them for? I'm over that
Unknown:easily. And he's like, trust Trust me. Trust me on this.
Unknown:Well, he actually he did more than say, trust me. He talked
Unknown:about like, Look, I've actually done gone through this without
Unknown:Other people, and it really helps. So yes, because what
Unknown:happened was, as a result of me, being able to steer the
Unknown:conversation with my parents, whether the relationship had a
Unknown:happier or more loving outcome or not, I changed the way I
Unknown:related to them. And I kind of rewired my brain for relating to
Unknown:them. And they were my original programming. So what happened
Unknown:was, yeah, when I would talk to it could be on a date I gave,
Unknown:when I talked to a woman on a date, all of a sudden, I was a
Unknown:lot more open and fun and spontaneous about where I would,
Unknown:I would, you know, go with the conversation. Because here's an
Unknown:interesting tidbit. You know, guys who were kind of like, it's
Unknown:like, ah, I struggle with dating, because, you know, women
Unknown:say I'm boring. Like, that's because you're angry. And
Unknown:you're, but you're, you're, you've got a lid on it, you're
Unknown:shut down as a result. So there's, there's a lot of like,
Unknown:what people see on the other side is like, guys just kind of
Unknown:boring. It was a flat conversation. The reason there's
Unknown:no liveliness is because there's so much emotional baggage,
Unknown:stuffing down half of your energy as a human being. So as a
Unknown:result, you're going to come off flat. And because your feedback
Unknown:is like boring, you never realize it's really the anger.
Unknown:That's what needs to be resolved. Wow,
Unknown:that is such a thing. I know, people who will listen to this
Unknown:will be like, holy I you know, sometimes we're so close to the
Unknown:to the key to the solution, but we just don't see it. And you
Unknown:made it very visible just now with the lead on and, and the
Unknown:board. Like, I never thought of that. Also, when when you blame
Unknown:others to be boring, it's usually yourself. Like you're
Unknown:not allowing a flow of conversation. And, and then as a
Unknown:result, you blame the other person or she was so boring. She
Unknown:was so closed up. But it was all you who were not capable of
Unknown:being okay was who you are and confident in a conversation.
Unknown:Right? Yeah, yeah. Cuz when you say someone, well, someone's
Unknown:boring. It's like, well, they're a human being. Did you have any
Unknown:compassion for just being able to hang out and see the light
Unknown:and another human being? There's always that, yeah, or just be
Unknown:like, I appreciate where that person is on their journey or
Unknown:something. You can say it's like, well, we didn't resonate
Unknown:that Okay, fine. But, but yeah, and saying someone else's
Unknown:boring. It's just like, it's kind of it really is just one
Unknown:more flavor of the circumstances had power over me. It's
Unknown:crazy. How good for you. When you first gave up alcohol when
Unknown:you first dove into meditation? Did you have situations maybe
Unknown:it's due, you don't remember anymore. But situations where
Unknown:you had a choice where it was like, actually, like it was good
Unknown:with the alcohol, I can go back. You know, where you had to make
Unknown:a decision? Or was it very clear that meditation is taking over
Unknown:now and this is your path?
Unknown:It was honestly, it was very clear to me because I did stop
Unknown:drinking because of willpower. It really just didn't feel good
Unknown:anymore. That's just what happened to me. Now, there were
Unknown:there were there were other things in my life where there
Unknown:was more willpower required, like when it came to like paying
Unknown:bills regularly, or keeping, you know, keeping my place clean, or
Unknown:being more social, where I had to remind myself, hey, this
Unknown:spiritual walking, taking helps, but that's all it's going to do
Unknown:is help. It's going to give me the inner strength to do what's
Unknown:best for me, but I still have to do what is best for me. I can't
Unknown:use meditation to swap out hard work. It's an adjunct. So So
Unknown:yeah, it was I had those situations for sure. And I still
Unknown:do today. Mm hmm. Yeah, I
Unknown:think it's, it's part of our lives and you just got to
Unknown:embrace it and see that it's okay. You just don't need to
Unknown:engage in it anymore.
Unknown:Yeah, and I think a lot of people get involved in sort of,
Unknown:they dive into their spiritual part of life and maybe
Unknown:meditation to escape or To get something where it's just like,
Unknown:well, I couldn't it's kind of like people who kind of dive
Unknown:into the law of attraction versus like, I can't do
Unknown:anything. Right? Well, let me let me go try this spiritual
Unknown:thing. And and it's almost like a way to bypass away that they
Unknown:really do need to grow inwardly. So it's, it's, it's a, I've just
Unknown:don't kill the messenger, but I made, it's just like, Look, I
Unknown:have found that the spiritual path is a part of your growth.
Unknown:And if you can't sort of use it to avoid an inner maturing that
Unknown:you need to go through.
Unknown:Yeah, that's so wonderful, thank you so much. I feel like it's
Unknown:been so valuable already, everything that you've shared.
Unknown:If there was three things that you had to write down for a
Unknown:person who's maybe not quite there yet, but who had maybe a
Unknown:little bit of an awakening, listening to you now, what would
Unknown:be the three steps or maybe tools that you would recommend
Unknown:for a person to help themselves.
Unknown:The first is having a meditative practice. And I love like the
Unknown:really simple foundational practice of breathing into one's
Unknown:belly and feeling the breath going into your belly. And And
Unknown:what I'd write down for this person is one of the three steps
Unknown:is we have we're an information overload, there's so much out
Unknown:there. But the power for meditation is taking the time to
Unknown:feel, feel the energy, because the more you feel the energy,
Unknown:the more energy you'll build. And the more you focus on
Unknown:feeling, the more sensitive you're going to get to it. So
Unknown:songs, songs, just like that. Now feel nothing for meditation,
Unknown:heck, I can really, okay, I was that guy. It's not going to be
Unknown:overnight. It is a muscle that must be built and, and sitting
Unknown:quietly, and breathing into your belly is a great way to do it.
Unknown:And also by focusing on your breath, you're going to calm
Unknown:down your mind without trying to fight your mind. Yeah, so the
Unknown:second thing I would say for someone is like the habit of a
Unknown:meditative practice like that, which could be a very, very
Unknown:powerful one. Because I think, by the way, some people won't be
Unknown:like, Oh, just sitting and breathing into your belly.
Unknown:That's no, come on, give me give me the real goods. It's like no,
Unknown:that that really is that really is a very effective, powerful
Unknown:practice. So the second thing I'd say is, it's not about it,
Unknown:fighting your it's not about making enemy of your thoughts. I
Unknown:spent my first 25 years being at odds with my thoughts and and
Unknown:having this clash with my own thoughts. when really it was a
Unknown:matter of stepping off the treadmill of Well, let me think
Unknown:positive Oh, no, I'm not thinking positive. Oh, shoot,
Unknown:I'm gonna attract something bad. I can let me just shut up. Like,
Unknown:why do I keep living as it's like, and most the time, I was
Unknown:just thinking about something as angry about the, the reason a
Unknown:meditative practice works so well is you get to jump off that
Unknown:treadmill. It's like, I'm not gonna participate in it, it's
Unknown:not a matter of like, Well, let me try it out. Think my thoughts
Unknown:somehow it's like a dog chasing its tail, I'm just not going to
Unknown:participate. So And the third thing I would say is that, it's,
Unknown:it is like, an it's part of your life, like, exercise, or making
Unknown:sure your sleep is good. or working on your career instead
Unknown:of overnight. Think daily discipline, and the results will
Unknown:take care of themselves over the long term. Be pat yourself on
Unknown:the back just for putting in that five minutes per day if
Unknown:you're building the habit. And, and, and, and what will happen
Unknown:is maybe in that week, you know, you're gonna be like, Alright,
Unknown:this is nothing much. Maybe that month, you'll be like, well, I'm
Unknown:getting some results. But I don't know, this doesn't really
Unknown:seem like, keep going. Because over a period of several months,
Unknown:you might be like, I guess there's something to this. Other
Unknown:is, it's like, well, I'm feeling a little bit better. People are
Unknown:treating me better. Life's getting a little bit better.
Unknown:It's like Well, yeah, yeah, that's, that's great. Let's go
Unknown:to the point because what's gonna happen is five years from
Unknown:now, you'll look back and you'll go Thank God, I did that. Yeah.
Unknown:Yeah. So that's, that is the key. So that's what I would say.
Unknown:Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Maybe start out and do it as you brush
Unknown:your teeth right? couple times a day, just a couple minutes and
Unknown:see what happens. Become familiar with your thoughts.
Unknown:Become familiar with your monkey mind up here and then don't
Unknown:engage. If it's not positive. If it's not leading anywhere good,
Unknown:then just choose to not engage and yeah,
Unknown:very Absolutely.
Unknown:Because it doesn't matter what the thoughts are. You can still
Unknown:breathe into your belly. It's like, Okay, I understand. I
Unknown:understand that. This is just like, My thoughts are screaming
Unknown:louder than ever. Oh, look, I can still breathe into my belt.
Unknown:Yes. Beautiful. Thank you so much name for your time. That
Unknown:was a very, very good time and awesome to get to know you. And
Unknown:then Ben, if there is listeners out here who want to reach out
Unknown:to you, is there any platform that you can provide with or
Unknown:should they just buy your book? Of course mentioned your book as
Unknown:well? Is there a way to reach you if there's questions?
Unknown:Well, there I do have a blog. So on Nate Rifkin calm it's just
Unknown:just my name. And I post regularly. And, and yeah, for a
Unknown:really kind of deep, like, get into the nitty gritty of the
Unknown:story and kind of be held by the hand and lead through a lot of
Unknown:this. A lot of the factors in spiritual walk. You know, I took
Unknown:three years to write this book, and it's on Amazon. It's called
Unknown:the standing meditation. And actually, I even have a website,
Unknown:the standing meditation calm, which, which just goes to the
Unknown:Amazon page, but makes things easy. So that that that would be
Unknown:the way I mean, I wrote I wrote that book, in terms like if
Unknown:some, if someone were I was at, you know, 13 years ago. This is
Unknown:the book I would want hand it to them.
Unknown:Mm hmm. That is so beautiful. Wonderful. So I will make sure
Unknown:to put that in the show notes as well. And yeah, otherwise, thank
Unknown:you so much for your time here today. Well, thank you or it's
Unknown:been really, really wonderful. Thank you so much for listening
Unknown:to this interview. And if you have any questions, reach out to
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